"LITTLE WOMEN" RECAP!

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Speaker 4 (02:31):
Well. Hello, Hello, Hello bonnet heads. It is I Pamela Bob,
creator of Living on a prairie along with our wonderful, beloved, awesome,
fantastic prairie bitch. That's right, Alison Arngram, Yes, yes, yes,
and our wonderful, beloved, fantastic, awesome hashtag imaginary boyfriend.

Speaker 6 (02:52):
That's much, just too many adjectives.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Take it, you can get it.

Speaker 6 (02:59):
When I was working on the charity program years ago
at Golf Channel, David Ferdy is a wonderful writer. Always,
I would always tend to overemphasize with the adjectives, and
he would go through scripts and just take all that,
take it away.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
All right, I'll never compliment you ever.

Speaker 6 (03:15):
Well, no, don't do that. Don't do anything crazy, crazy crazy,
that would be crazy.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
All right, everybody, We're back again. Season two recap. I'm
excited about I'm well, I'm especially excited about today because, well, Dean,
had you ever watched this episode before?

Speaker 6 (03:35):
No, this is another one, another one a lot. Yes,
this is a season three episode. But but let's before
we do.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
That before yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I was going to say,
I'm just excited because it's a new one and there's
some controversy about this episode that we will get to.
But before we get to that, Dean hit it.

Speaker 6 (03:53):
Well, Actually, what I'm going to hit is the fact
that one of the things that Alison and I are
involved in, and Allison is still in France and getting
ready to come home presumably someday. Yeah, but we are,
we are. We have announced an event in Columbia, California,
the Little House in the Prairiecast Reunion UH in Colombia.
It's in Gold Country and you can check it out

(04:15):
on at Little House gold Country dot com. Tickets are
on sale. We have a really nice selection of cast
coming alson one.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
Great selection.

Speaker 6 (04:26):
I think it's actually a pretty nice It's the largest
group of cast since Semi Value.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
You know what. It feels very celebratory, this one. This
this one feels like we're back, We're better, it's safe,
it's legal, we are and things are going to be good.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
Yeah, and we're like, oh but yeah, no, this is
going to be epic because yes, me and Diane are going,
and yes, Charlotte Stewart, miss Bidal is going to be there.
We know Rachel has said yes, we're going to like,
you know, hey, the baby Carrie Ms Robin and rach
Greenvis they are working, working girls and we both baby carrys,
which like almost never happens, and we of course never

(05:08):
Andy Garvey, Pat lover Toe Yo, Kady Lester, Yes, Kady Lester,
love let us straight from the heart. Yes, Keeddy Lester
hester ship is coming. Oh my god, and we have
a So they wrote to me they were likely place place.

Speaker 6 (05:23):
Eddie is feeling better. She really wants to get out
there again.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
I love it well for cheag your thing and was
like in a rehab thing and then got him just like, no,
I'm back on my feet, I'm fine, where are we going?
Let's go. We got the Carters, We got Sarah Jason Girterer,
got Pamory Lance, Dave Freeman, Waitty Lully, Jennifer Donatti or
baby Grays and baby Rose and Tadler Rose, Jennifer Michelle Stevens.
We like all the baby Roses, like all the baby caras,

(05:50):
all the Where's Jeb Carter?

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Does he ever do any of these?

Speaker 6 (05:54):
He's a restaurant tour and he doesn't really, Yeah, he doesn't.
He did. He did an event, didn't want to grow
a couple of events and he was he was terrific. Great. Yeah,
you know it's funny. I mean, look, people have a
different sense of this. Yeah, we're hoping that other cast

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members will participate as we move forward with all this,
but you just people make decisions based on what's going
on in their life and what their needs are and
and so okay, but we're very grateful for this group
because I think it's the table for a much bigger event.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah, for sure, we're getting struck. We're getting cast members going, oh, hey,
did I miss that way? So like, do you have
to you can conn of come to the next one.
So they're they're coming. I can't come to this one,
but call me for the So they're coming. They're coming,
and you know people do. People have jobs, people have children,
people have grandchildren, people have like lives, and so they're like, well, yeah,
make it we can.

Speaker 6 (06:54):
I want to say one quick thing here, because I
know that some cast members are not necessarily we're trying
to because this is our first event. We are trying
to contain this to cast that lives in California. Got
it is within driving distance, So we're just trying to
contain the logistical challenge of the of this event a

(07:18):
little bit by doing that. And I know that everyone's
not happy about that, but that's a decision that we
made in the interest of the enterprise and getting it started.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
And so and there's people who just kind of make
this one are like, well, let me go to how
this one goes, and then you guys call me for that. Yeah, no, no, no,
we'll get everybody eventual.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
It's fine.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
Well, and I will say also in terms of other future,
bigger events, I know, and this is very positive lovely feedback,
is that, you know, we had Charles Bloom on the
on the podcast a few episodes ago, Early Day Wilder,
and he didn't know he wrote to us, and he
he didn't know that people even thought twice about him

(07:59):
after all this. You know, he didn't know that there
was a fan base that was so excited to see him.
As you know, I will attest to that I was
so excited to see him because that he might have
only been on one episode, but it's an episode that
everyone knows and loves and remembers, and you know, it's
so lovely to have contact with these actors who really

(08:23):
had no idea that there were people out there that
cared at all. Oh he's I think he was really yeah, yeah, yeah,
he was really taken aback by the love and so anyway,
shout out to all you guys about that, because that
was really, really, really lovely to hear from him. Anyway.

Speaker 7 (08:41):
Uh oh, let's get to the show. We'll tell you
what we're about to recap. But first, from the studios
of ubn go in Burbank, California, this is the Little
House fiftieth Anniversary Podcast. Pleas in two recap Booom fireworks.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
Okay, Dean, we are back and I'm going to give
this one to you. We have we have some beef
about this episodes that we will get into.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
What don't know.

Speaker 4 (09:23):
I mean, he's it's shocking his reaction to this, to
this episode. So it is going to be team Pamela
and Allison and team Butler.

Speaker 6 (09:31):
No, no, listen, beat me up on this one. If
you want here, that's fine. So all right, so we
are today. We are talking about episode fourteen of season three.
This is Little Women Today. Little Women premiered on January
twenty fourth, nineteen seventy seven. It was written by Dale
Junson and B. W. Sandifer from a story by Dale Junson,

(09:51):
directed by Bill Claxton. Sim interestingly, Bill Sandifer, who has
had a nice head, it did have a nice career
has had a nice career, produced or co produced thirty
seven episodes of Little House between nineteen seventy five and
nineteen seventy seven, and this is the largest body of
single body of work in his pretty extensive career. He

(10:15):
did these did thirty seven episodes with us on Little House.
And this was obviously before I arrived in season six,
but early on a special contributor B. W.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
Sanderson, do you know if Dale do you know if
Dale Junson is that anyway? Do you know if that's
a male or a female? I don't interesting, I'd be yeah, interesting.

Speaker 6 (10:39):
It sort of sounds given the episode, you'd think.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
Maybe maybe it's a woman.

Speaker 6 (10:43):
But female writers that I know would be bothered by
the assumption that an episode like this.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
Would be written woman, Yeah, by a woman.

Speaker 6 (10:52):
They wouldn't be bothered by that because you're saying, well
that I can't write to shoot him up, you know,
violent whatever it is, you know whatever, a manly, manly
kind of an episode. You're saying, I can't write that.
So you know, we're sort of careful. Writers are very
careful about that stuff. Allison. On this episode.

Speaker 4 (11:11):
You know, we need it, We need a like a
theme little theme song tag for before Allison does these synopsis.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Because the show, Okay, Dean's like this episode, like no,
it's girl episode. What love this? After really gets in
a fight with Laura doing a reenactment of scene for
robin Hood. What the children of Walnut Grove put on
place that's based on their favorite books? Willie bribes his

(11:40):
older classmates and do a scene from Tom Sawyer. Missus
Olsen rewrites Luisa may Alcott's Little Woman for Nelly and
shy Jenny Clark steeles digging and lets some for character
joke persuade you.

Speaker 6 (11:52):
Can I don't understand what.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Really is doing. Reenactment of robin Hood, which there were ballots,
ballads and legends of robin Hood going back to the
fourteen fifteen hundreds, absolutely the thirteen hundreds. But unless weird
to believe that Willielson sat around reading the lyrics to
ballads from fifteen sixty from medieval time, medieval times, was

(12:16):
just sitting there and reading medieval time lyrics. The Book
of the Eventures of robin Hood did not come out
until eighteen eighty three, almost ten years after the show
took place.

Speaker 6 (12:27):
Eighteen eighty three, the show was the Life of the
Show was eighteen eighty three.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
It's is supposed to be like, but remember we had
eighteen eighteen seventy, nineteen seventy.

Speaker 6 (12:36):
Six, Yeah, we did, actually, so it's.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Similarly the eighteen seventies because later when they mentioned Tom
Sawyer Richard Boldy, Indeed, my paw says, how about that
new book by Mark Twain. Tom Parlington in fact had
tuss come out and that was like historically boom accurate,
and Robin Hood didn't come out for our ten years,
so like he's reading medieval writings. Parwa Okay, So yeah,

(13:00):
so Robin Hood for some reason, and he bribes he
sold her classmates to do Tom Sawyer of course, and
they want cigars and that chaos ensues. But missus Nelson
rewrites Louisa may Alcohontz Little Women, making ne Lea the
star and shy Jenny Clark little guest star girl Darling
steals the showf to taking lesson from her character Joe

(13:21):
to persuade your mother to attend the event. This is
the complicated subplot that is so complicated, and that's where
it gets worded.

Speaker 6 (13:27):
So I just I'm sorry I have to ask this
because this is Little Women. Is obviously my sister read
Little Women as a young girl and maybe still rereads
it today. Does this plot have anything to do with
Little Women?

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Sorry? Now come out in eighteen sixty eight, so it's okay, yeah,
they all totally would have read it. Yes, there is
a whole thing where the girl Joe what cuts her hair?
There they I mean, that's.

Speaker 4 (13:58):
Oh yeah, no, do you know Little Women?

Speaker 6 (14:02):
Do not know?

Speaker 4 (14:04):
Okay, that's you're a big believer of women.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
But you don't.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Getting the money for father to come home. All of
that timber jabber that we destroy badly and culture on
stick is technically from the book. Missus Olsen has kind
of glued it together like in an odd backward kind
of way, so that now.

Speaker 4 (14:29):
It makes sense why you're not into this episode because
you don't know, yest.

Speaker 6 (14:35):
Why I read Women.

Speaker 4 (14:37):
You've never seen the movie any of the movies Little
Women ever, Aska.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
I grew up.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
I grew up in all of the versions of the
movies of Little Women, So I know this story. Yeah,
because a big plot of the story is Joe cuts
off all of her hair and sells it, and so
does Johnny in this episod.

Speaker 6 (15:00):
That's Okay, there you go. All right, all right, so
forget everything I said before we came on makes sense.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Now because although there are things in the Little School
play that we do Little Women, that are dialogue from
Little Women, it's rewritten and directed by missus Olson and
performed by Nelly, So of course it doesn't.

Speaker 4 (15:23):
Know And I also particularly love when she's introducing it.
She's like a Little Women written.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
By my mother. By do you like my minding of snowing?

Speaker 4 (15:37):
You're violent sewing. Wait, let's take it that's dean because
you don't know little Women.

Speaker 6 (15:45):
Yeah, so what am I talking about? That was that
was a stupid Steve judgment on my part. I have
to own that.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
I have to like my entire relationship with you right
now who I think you are? Okay, okay, let's say
get back. We meet Jenny. Jenny Jinny Genny, who who
is amongst the again, an actor, a character that we love,

(16:16):
whom we never see again. She is in the vote.
I believe that there is a vortex somewhere in the
universe of one episode characters just hanging out together in
the stratosphere, wife that we.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Never saw again. That's where she is. Know where she went.
You know where she went. She went to the Waltons
because she is played by the brilliant Rachel Longacre, and
Rachel Longacre wound up going to the Wolts as Amy
Louise Godfrey. She's Amy Godfrey from the freaking Waltons. They
poached all our best people, Coverridges, and she was.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
She could also she could also be Charlotte Stewart's daughter.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
She looks exactly like her now. She was also of Children,
which was a big, big, big psychological thriller TV movie
at the time, Circle of Children, which also starred Matt Labratau,
Pat Labertou, Todd Britches, Kyle Richards and every child star
working at the time that year. We're all in that movie.
And I remember, like, why wasn't I in this? They

(17:16):
were because you were fully booked on the series. Yo, duh.
But yes, it's like she was in all of the
TV movies and after school specials that I wanted to
be in but I didn't have time.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
So did you know her when she came on set?

Speaker 1 (17:27):
I had, did you know? But I knew of her
and like everybody else, it was, Yes, it was. There
was this gang of child actors who were like in
things all the time, and Matt was one of them,
and so they all kind of knew each other. And
I'm like any thing, and they're like, because you have
a steady job. You have a steady job, fool, that's
why you were not in these things. Stop complaining. Okay,
So you know, okay, But Rachel, Rachel Walton's everything, She's awesome. Boom,
there you go.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
So we we we we are introduced to her in
this pains me to say it a horrible.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
The first episode is all about all about hair. So
the first terrible, terrible, terrible wig, I mean beautiful Rachel
understand norm.

Speaker 6 (18:09):
It reminded me of the wig that that one of
the characters in Star Trek war in a like the
Gorns or something. I mean, this blonde it was like
an obvious wig.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
It was so obvious. I mean, the hairline was so obvious.
It stuck up and away from her head instead of
lying down. It's so, I don't I know the people
in Little House were talented.

Speaker 6 (18:36):
Hairdress.

Speaker 4 (18:38):
This is what I don't understand.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
Rachel had normal child actress length hair. She had normal hair,
but they had to create this thing of her having mad.

Speaker 4 (18:50):
Hair.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
Hair to cut off and sell to the week maker,
the man who brings Nelly the second terrible wig in
the show, which is a great wig at first because
at first time beautiful to feel bad because he said
we must have a wig, and they're like, oh I
wants and missus Olsen to this. This is one of
them eight hundred inside jokes. All great actresses wear wigs
Yark York, York because I was sorry to wear and

(19:11):
so the black Cleopatra hair, which is great, and then
I want curls and then it becomes the fro and
it's so bad.

Speaker 4 (19:17):
And because he explained to me how they saw this
child and when yep, she looks great, roll.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
Them how no, and then she has the bad short
wig which is terrible.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
It's supposed to look like which is almost worse, which
is worse.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Because they didn't want to I guess touch her hair,
I don't know what, and so they give her a bag.

Speaker 4 (19:33):
Nelly wig is so realistic. We see people in wigs
on the show and it looks like their hair. I mean,
I just.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
Charlotte Stunny, he's wearing a wig.

Speaker 6 (19:43):
This was still your real hair? Or was this the
wig at that point?

Speaker 1 (19:47):
No, I was wearing the wig. And then in fact,
when they have the black wiglem and they pull it off,
this is your hair. It's a big deal. You get
to see my hair. I have on the net cap
and the pins, and that's my actual hanry. She's perfectly
lovely blonde hair. But then they put the thing. Now
that black wig was I like that. I liked having

(20:08):
dark care for five minutes. And when it got curled
and looks silly. I loved when it was long and
black and was like, I'd wear this all day. This
is beautiful. Then I got the curls, which looked dumb. However, Gladsoy,
our Fabrillo's hairdresser, who put that way on me every morning,
we all loved when she saw the curls. I remember, Glads,
I was older. Our crew was much older people. And

(20:29):
she was a fan of the of Dick Tracy back
in the day of the comics. Now, I was much
too young to know the old, old, old old original
Dick Tracy comics. I knew like the Gurden ones in
the seventies. And she said Dick Tracy had a character
a girlfriend in the comics called Sparkle Plenty, and she
was very beautiful. She had pale, light skinned, blue eyes
and black curly hair, and you freakishly looked exactly like

(20:54):
the Sparkle Plenty cartoon girl. And so she called me
sparkle Plenty all week. It was fabulous. I was sparkle Peek.
So I kind of love that. So I love this.
I loot. Okay, So we see in Terrible Wig and
she's shy. She's much like she's much like our stuttering friend,
you know, Anna Kim Kurtzman. She's like our also have
leg in the Kim Richards, all the people who disappeared

(21:17):
who had a problem. And her problem is her mother.
Her father died and her mother's widow. They don't have
a lot of money. He didn't leave with any money,
and her mother is grieving so hard. She will not
go anywhere. She will fairly leave the house.

Speaker 6 (21:30):
So what do we think of it? What do we
think of of Kay Peters as Dela Clark.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
She's super she's bitter. She is bitter. She is openly
bitter and makes snow bones about it.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
And then I mean, she says she wishes she was
dead too.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
She said I would have gone with him. She is miserable.
I mean, in today's it would be like, oh my god,
we need a therapists. Stat This poor woman has is
really having a problem. She's bitter and she said that
he left her with nothing and that he's dead in it.
But she's also like really gone off the deep pit
because her daughter's going, we're having a play, mom, come
to this one. Nope, can't even do that. And there's
this guy who wants to go out with her. Hey,

(22:04):
maybe it is too soon again. Another strange man taking
little girls from bucket.

Speaker 4 (22:09):
I know, okay, listen, okay, I'm I wasn't gonna bring
this up, but it's just because he brought it up.
But this is, this is when this really pains me
to say this. This is when I'm like, damn it,
I hate sometimes I hate watching these episodes from a
contemporary viewpoint and a mature adult woman's viewpoint now because

(22:30):
I do. I look at that and I'm like, is
he a predator? Is he gonna do? Is he getting
with the dot? What does he want to be with
the wife because he really wants to be with the daughter.
I mean, this is these are awful, horrible thoughts and
is he okay?

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Is he befriending the mother he gets kid. But also
even that's is he is he weird that he's gonna
manipulate this poor little girl just to get a date
with her mom. But it's also terrible, like a what
has happened?

Speaker 6 (22:54):
You know? I think gone, I think this actor that
they this warns that they hired to be this guy.
I think it was so such a guileless it was great.
You know, there's just a there's a real sweetness about him.
You just don't feel like there's any ulterior motive other

(23:15):
than he really thinks this little girl is special and
he's crazy about her mother.

Speaker 4 (23:20):
He loves it then, but then the cynic in me
is like, that's what groomers do. But I don't want
to use that brain.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
I know.

Speaker 4 (23:27):
I hate thinking these thoughts, you guys, I hate it.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
I hate it when he says, my wife also is gone,
and your husband wouldn't watch you to be living like this,
and my wife would want and you go, this guy
lost his space.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
He's a good guy.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
Yes, yes, okay, so it's a good guy. He's fine,
he's sweet.

Speaker 6 (23:44):
Remind one of the characters from Petticoat Junction. For some reason,
there's a character in Petticoach, not mister. It's like a
farm hand in Petticoat. Maybe maybe vander William Warren vanders
is it.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Is we all are real goog Oh yeah, he seems
nice and but the mother is. And it's made very
apparent that no, she is having an imational crisis. She
should be going places with her kid, even if she
doesn't want to date this guy. It's like, oh, for heaven,
I don't have a new dress. Okay, it's Walnut Grove.
If everyone's poor, you could. They don't care what you're wearing.
It's your kids play. So she's really having a problem,

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and that's made clear that she has slipped a little over.
She's not in the right out of control.

Speaker 4 (24:24):
This is another thing because he offers. He says to
her that I've noticed your wood is low and he's
offering your topper now, and she's like, they tell to
the not totally totally. But here's here's the thing that
I learned from the PBS series Pioneer House, which is

(24:44):
they you know, they took people from today and they
put them in actual pioneer times, historically accurate, and put
them there for three and they're all miserable, sable, right,
but it's historically fascinating and they and they at the
end of the series. Also our good friend Chris Chaika

(25:04):
was the historical uh.

Speaker 6 (25:06):
Like sold me these families were cheating because they couldn't
get it, they couldn't do it.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
I watched that last at them because I said, you
yo yos are doing this for I had to be
paid to live like well.

Speaker 4 (25:19):
At the end of this Yeraries, the ultimate test is
so someone comes and sees how much would that they
have chopped and determines whether they would have survived the
winter or not. And I don't think any of them
would have survived the winter. Maybe one family if I
can remember, but I think the majority of them, if
not all of them, would have not lasted the winter.

(25:41):
They would have all starved and died. So for the
fact that this woman to be like, Nope, you're not
chopping my wood. Screw it. If I'm if I'm low
on my wood, you're not helping me, is literal like
life or death situation.

Speaker 6 (25:56):
No question. Well, I mean a couple of another you know.
One of those things that people would have commented about
regarding Little House for years is the fact that you know,
where they were there was no wood. Yeah, there was
no what they were burning sod they were burning, they
were they were newer, they were burning hay twists, they
were twisted, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (26:17):
Oh hat twisting.

Speaker 6 (26:18):
It was a really really rare commodity where they they
just weren't.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
Trees because they're just flat lands.

Speaker 6 (26:26):
Yeah. Now, go to Walnut Grove today and there are trees.
There are beautiful trees there. But this was not the
natural state of the prairie to to have to have wood.
And the US government thought that we could turn the
Midwest into this great forest. It's just the weather was
never going to cooperate with that.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Didn't they plan didn't know that.

Speaker 4 (26:49):
Oh wow, and it didn't work.

Speaker 6 (26:51):
They came didn't work. I mean there's a reason and
all that. I mean, people lots of people just could
You just couldn't make trees grow there. Now, some obviously did,
but this was a rarity to have that happen. And
maybe trees have been engineered now to make it more
possible for them to grow in this climate. But in

(27:12):
those days, you know, people are trying to plant pine
trees that they're trying to plant. It just wasn't going
to work in that part of the country. So anyway,
it's it is fascinating and I love that this the
you know, the Frontierhouse about coming to check the stock
of wood. Yes, that would have been a very, very
big deal. Well, Laura wrote a whole book, The Long

(27:34):
Winter that really focused on the yes, on the on
the pressure that these people were under and what they
needed to stay warm, huddling around a stove, burning twists
of hay to have just I can't imagine being that cold,
I know, I know.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
And then you think of you know, other parts of
the country where they're living in luxury, and you know,
you think of like New York City during that time
and it's sort of bustling and thriving and the burning.

Speaker 6 (28:06):
Coal, I mean a lot of but you know, the
trains that came through they they were burning coal. That
was that that was the thing that they could get coal.
There was lots of coal. You weren't mining it there,
but there was a lot of coal to be had,
and that's what they were burning.

Speaker 4 (28:21):
It's so interesting comparing the Gilded Age in other parts
of the country to this life, which was I mean,
you couldn't get further removed from that.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
And if you read Walnut Grove was having a bad
time in the eighteen seventies, it's particularly broke. Like further
up the road in Minneapolis, maybe not so bad, but
in Walnut Trump now this heinous play, and this is
what part of sexty. You know he said, that's not
little women, that's not little women. How was that little women?
It's not little women? So when they were designed, and
then and then the as is it, Willie mercifully does

(28:54):
do Tom Sawyer, which was written enough time before there
that Neils can say the next they decided.

Speaker 4 (28:58):
To do plays, and cool.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
Says, brilliant, will do place. So they do this thing,
and that's what it gets all started with all this
whoplas she could go to place, it's not going to
play anything. And then of course, so well my mother
and so we can rehearse at my house, and so
of course it was like no, but do you know what,
I want to go see the olds? And so of
course they come over.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
Now I wait a minute. Note to Alicia, the only
smart one who's like, I'm out, I am out. So
I'm not a real housewife for no reason.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Baby, my mother, it's going to write and direct the play.
I am going to start it, and of course when
it comes to pass, we give what Mary and Laura
each have like one line okay, yes, like.

Speaker 4 (29:45):
How they think that Meg is the lead of Little Women,
which weird, weird choice.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Here's this episode my sister Meg, so she will of course,
this action happened to me in the sixth grade. In
the sixth grade, there was a girl. God, I'm not
gonna say her name, there was a girl and yeah,
she went to Nelly Olsen to the whole school from
third grade and we had to suffer through her author
junior high in high school. And there was the other

(30:16):
kids at my school are like, man her and I said,
I'm kind of basing parts of Nelly on her and
they said, thank you, we feel eventu. I mean it
was that that soup. And her mom was Tolaro and
please do well you and Joy and she did up play.
We had to do a special project for sixth grade,
big extra credit pringing, like write a little play, write
a little skip. She announces that she's got to play.

(30:38):
Oh she didn't. And her mother wrote it and it
was for the history class and Bell Boa the Explorer.
I'm not making this, making this bell Boa the Explorer,
written and directed by the Harriet of her school, starring attentive,
and she's like the narrator and this and that, she
is like all over. Is she the person if there

(31:00):
was like a regular casting, would have been cast to
do any Let's just say no, no. But she's the
start of the whole thing now, and her mother is
certain director of the entire thing, and everybody's in it.
Oh and the boy she had a crush on maybe
wasn't probably the person who cast in lead to a play,
maybe for ability's sake, was suddenly Balboa because she had
a crush on him, and she told her mother make
him Balboa the whole nine yards. I was he nick.

(31:25):
I had been working since.

Speaker 4 (31:27):
I was five.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Yes, I had just completed, in fact, an entire feature
film like that year. Yes, I had been on television.
I had two lines. She knew this. What were the lies?
Do you remember? No? I remember them? No, I remember them.
I was villager number two, and I wore a lawn dress.
And I said, yes, he came by our village yesterday.

(31:51):
And then I said they went that way. He came
through a village yesterday, and they went that is what
I said. That was my two lines Elbow the explorer
in the sixth grade, because the Nelly also our school
start in it and her mother it was exactly like
this freaking upset. That's why when this happened, I've been here,

(32:12):
I was dying. I was cracking up to the whole thing.
And there's okay, other inside joke. He says, my mother
knows everything there is to know about acting. Yes, okay,
we're now in a couple of years, as you know,
Katherine McGregor acting advice and enjoyed directing, which is we know,
mister Claxton not overly fond of right. And so suddenly

(32:39):
there's a line in here my mother knows everything about acting,
and I'm like, and then the wig by the way, sure,
the wig roulet, which is like, I'll play on the
fact that way, and the endless all actressho we are
awakes because now it's a step that I've been wearing
a wig. Catherine also adds libs a line that I
nearly die when I watched it, which is totally important,

(33:02):
is not in the script. When we comes the door,
it's another one of the brilliant sets. I'm in the
fruit did the fright wig and she's like, what you
said your watered curls? And I go, well, what do
you listen to me for? I'm just a child, and
she says, I'll child you and just me down all.

Speaker 4 (33:20):
That great line up.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
And I'm like yeah, all of this was going on,
and then we're on stage, and of course I did
like the space. The space relations said you know cups
that you do, and so I said, how can I
do them as badly as beyond humanly possible? And hence

(33:47):
you see you see Melissa's sewing very well, love.

Speaker 4 (33:51):
Mine, violent, violent, And then I go, she's like a
truck driver, you know what. You know what, Nellie reminds
me of a lot of Miss Piggy. And you know
how Frank Oz described Miss Piggy as she was just

(34:11):
really she was just a truck driver in a dress,
right like she there was nothing actually lady like about her,
really except the affectation that she's putting on as if
she's a lady. And Nellie doing that violent, crazy sewing.
I was like, oh, she's she's just a truck driver.
There's nothing selling it or dainty about her.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
What's the Little House in the Prairie was the Muppets?
You're miss miss Piggy. Eric Carron, our fabulous artist friend
in Montreal did for a present for me a poster
of little Little House in the Prairie. Thing except it
to Miss Piggy as Nellie Olsen and she has a
little doll that's Laura.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
Wait a minute, that is crazy. That might just referred
you to Miss Piggy. And Eric already did that.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
That's every Wednesday. Everybody knows I am as Picky. Yes,
it's true.

Speaker 4 (35:05):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
So yeah, so we weren't killing ourselves laughing doing the same.

Speaker 4 (35:09):
And they didn't tell you to go that way. That
was you. You came up with that.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
I just went there. That's what we decided to do.
And Charlotte Charlotte, Charlotte Stewart, Miss Beatle's face when she
sees me in the wick, the take that she does,
the look of a Therell's just like everyone's dying. We're
all cracking up the bad sewing. We broke ourselves up. Yeah,
the whole thing was one crack up from God. And

(35:33):
then when this poor child with the thing in the bonnet,
and then takes it off, and then there's a third
horrible wig and she's cut off all her hair. But
then it's like gift of the Magi kind of thing.
She got over here, the dress for her mother, who
didn't want and who's already yelled at the guy because
she's got and we were.

Speaker 4 (35:54):
Yes, we do all cry. I was crying for sure.

Speaker 6 (35:57):
Okay, so what so what do we think about it?
This is one of the key element in the story.
I mean, the win at the end of this is
that Ginny and mister Mayfield and Della ride away together
on the carriage. But that that is the that's the moment,

(36:19):
that's the win in the episode.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
Yes, she is at least agreed to come out to
do things with her daughter. She's not going to be
a recluse anymore. She's agreed to maybe possibly consider consider
dating him. Maybe maybe, And it's implied family after this. Yeah,
they could get married and they will be a family
and everybody will be healed because she has lost her father.

(36:43):
This woe's lost her husband, he's lost his wife, and
they will now be together.

Speaker 6 (36:48):
I think, what's what's tricky about this particular story? And
maybe this is one of the things that I'm bumping
on is that the the ingles really have nothing to
do with the resolution of this story.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
No, they are barely Laura and Mary are there. They're
dragged into the place. Ma tries to be nice when
they like say, this is horrible because.

Speaker 6 (37:15):
Ma's one scene is on the floor with a scrub
brush the floor. And I don't know whose idea that
was if it was written that way. Now, maybe look,
Karen liked to do things authentically, so maybe she said,
you know, let's let's do this.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
Scrub the floor.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Now you're onto something because there's a mop gag about
mopping the floor and then haha, Laura has the new mop.
Where's did they start talking about the mop scene? And
did Karen say, well, you know, actually, in eighteen seventy six,
maybe not so much. With the mop. She probably would
have been to scrub it first with a brush at
the very least, And they went, okay, fine, you're on.

Speaker 4 (37:52):
That wouldn't surprise me.

Speaker 6 (37:53):
And there she is just sort of draped, you know,
beautifully on the floor with this you know it's looking good, yeah,
looking good with the scrub brush in her hand.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
Maybe right, maybe her You know what I thought, about
that too.

Speaker 4 (38:06):
I was like, the girls just coming.

Speaker 6 (38:08):
Let's let's stay with this idea for a minute. Of
the two characters, this whole family that we've never seen
before and we'll never see again.

Speaker 8 (38:17):
In the vortex center of the or these three spods
are completely at the center of what drives the story forward,
what makes us care about it at all, And we
never see them again.

Speaker 6 (38:30):
And none of the angles have anything to.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
Do with me.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
No, No, Laura doesn't even step up. Laura doesn't even
like take the girl and say, hey, you could sell
your hair and buy your mother address. Laura doesn't say here,
let me get you this bonnet to cover it up
until they're revealed. It's not even anything conspiracy. That doesn't
even happen.

Speaker 4 (38:49):
No, I mean Mary is the one that can sort
of gets it out of her at the end and
is the one that's like, shut up, Nellie, the plays over.

Speaker 6 (38:57):
Sorry, what was the motivation for the bonnet coming off
at all?

Speaker 4 (39:01):
Because in the story of Little Women, Okay, Joe reveals
that she has cut off all of her hair to
get money to.

Speaker 6 (39:08):
Get the twenty five dollars. That's right, that's what we're
talking about.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Because in the story that now father can come home. Yes, yeah,
And that's when Laura goes, you didn't really have got
your hair anything.

Speaker 6 (39:19):
Yeah, right exactly. And then you're and you're complaining that
the play is being ruined, but now you're actually having
the first real moment in the whole episode ruining the play.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
And Miss Beetle, I love to be Mary's quiet, and Miss.

Speaker 6 (39:38):
It's so good.

Speaker 4 (39:39):
It's perfect. What I was going to say about Moss
scrubbing the floor. First of all, when you see a
ma scrubbing the floor, you're like, oh, that is what
a job that that's got to be tough. But then
the fact that it's this is coming from me, my
own personal view. The girls have come home from school,
which means it's probably about three o'clock in the afternoon,

(40:02):
let's as see it, Yes, three four, which is the
time of day that all mothers are crashed hard, they're exhausted,
they've been I.

Speaker 6 (40:10):
Mean in the morning, yespened.

Speaker 4 (40:15):
So that's what was going through my mind of like, oh,
she's it's three or four o'clock the entwer she's scarming
the floors.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
I would have been done earlier.

Speaker 4 (40:23):
Pioneer life is woof. That is harsh, dude, that is hard. Okay,
So let's also talk about the fact that both Nellie
and Willie do we need to take a break. Take
a break, all right. We'll discuss bribery next when we
come back from this break. See in a minute.

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Speaker 4 (41:33):
And now we're back, Yes, we're back. Okay, we were
just about to talk about bribery. I just think it's
very silly, very funny, and also very sad that Willy
doesn't actually have friends unless he can bribe them. And
this is common place with Nellie as well, you know,

(41:55):
like I'll give you candy, I'll give you With Willie,
those boys are really awful to him, and the cigars
are the only way that they will do this, play with.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
And the jaw tall and.

Speaker 4 (42:09):
Willy is more than willing to do it. But my my.

Speaker 6 (42:14):
My Lily is a very transactional young man, sure is.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
And Nels notices. Remember when Nels at first is happy
because when he says something about the big boys friends
Willi's finally getting some friends. He's friends with the big
boys are gonna work out, you know, right, No, no such.

Speaker 4 (42:33):
And also, let don't.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Forget mister Edwards speaking of child has that weird moment
in this one too.

Speaker 6 (42:38):
With Grace talking about you tell them what, Yes, you
tell her what it's going to be.

Speaker 4 (42:43):
Yes, I love thee.

Speaker 6 (42:48):
That what needs mister Wakefield to go with the you
know and really.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
Go for it with her again, weirdly inappropriate things with
the children, they said, little women. Mister Edwards, well a
little women. I think I saw her when I went
into Louis one year. And he is referring to either
some kind of unfortunate circus act or possibly a bow.

Speaker 9 (43:10):
Of some It's like, what is he actually Paul larious
to be talking about that? Whatever, Yeah, I still love it.

Speaker 6 (43:24):
That's one of the no I get it. I get it,
and I think, look, you just sort of looked past that.
But those kinds of moments into today's world, you know,
where you're seeing where we're where we are looking at
I think, not to get overly, you know, current day here,

(43:44):
but where where we are seeing an effort, a very
deliberate effort to repress women again in our culture. This
is a really interesting thing to have watched in that light.
You know, it's just it's it's troublesome that this is
the attitude that is out there. And ye know what,

(44:05):
look when when she when he thinks that grace is
right there before he becomes a you know, a jello.

Speaker 4 (44:11):
And that's why I think that moment works is because
the only reason it all, it's all this maw neravado
and then the second he thinks that she's overhearing him,
it's the eighty six on that one. So I think
that's the reason why you can get away with it.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
That's why it works.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
I don't think mister Edwards could never actually feel that
way or act that way. He would never never.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
Get mister Edwards would be someone you would even go
to for romantic advice. Is well the most ludicrous proposition
and make clear yes.

Speaker 6 (44:48):
Well, and you can see Charles is looking at him like,
you know, smiling like I mean, come on, man, who
you can?

Speaker 4 (44:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (44:56):
Well, yeah, a lot of a lot of a lot
of tough talk here, but not but young. You know,
Warren Mayfield thinks that he's going to try a little
of that, although he does it in a soft way
initially with the flowers. He comes with the flowers and
he wants to be honest with her, and she's really
she's just he just can't hear it.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
You know.

Speaker 4 (45:17):
He did say one thing to her that I because
I think he's great. I do think he's great. But
he did say one thing that I was like, which
is he was like, he died two years ago, pretty much.
He's like, get over and he died two years ago.
And I was listening to that, like, oh, that's yeah,
there's no time limit on mourning somebody, of course.

Speaker 6 (45:40):
Not, you know, but I think in the in the
you could look at it in the time that they
lived in where you know, there's becomes so critical she
has to get off the dime on this well, I
was also to survive. They need each other. Yeah, many
women really need each other in that circumstance.

Speaker 4 (46:01):
I was actually thinking in historical terms. I don't think
there would have ever been a way for her to
actually survive on that well during that time if she
had not gotten another partner very immediately.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Now, all they did find and I don't careen to
talk about this that in many cases when it was
really like big homestading, like middle of nowhere stuff, that
if the guy lost his wife, he was writing back
home for a maylord or bride, somebody's sister, anybody staffed,
because he knew was like, I have to be out
doing this. Someone has to be I cannot make it
without the second person. And whereas the women would sometimes go, yeah,

(46:38):
I'm going to give it a while because they could
manage for a while, and that many of the women
were like the drunk guy's gone great because if they
were stuck with like a mister Edwards or something. But
you see, mister Edwards and Grace needed each other and
that worked. And in this case, this guy, he's gone
a whole five years without a wife, which is really long.
Could be a widower on the prairie and not slide

(46:59):
somebody into your house. So he really likes her. And
because as she talks about, I don't have money for address,
I don't have money for this. I have to work
all the time. I'm overworked. Him over she does need
somebody like stat So yeah, and he genuinely loves her,
and he genuinely loves the daughters.

Speaker 4 (47:15):
So I think that's so interesting that the women were
able to survive.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Many women did not.

Speaker 6 (47:23):
Get that. That's an interesting We.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Will have to dig this up. But it was during
some of the homesteads, So that's why there were a
lot of like sole female householding who were homesteaders. When
Native Americans were able to homestead and freed la, a
lot of people got the homestead and got land who
normally would never have gotten. Yeah, so there was a
lot of that. But there were some women who said, yeah,
I'm going to hang for a bit and didn't rush

(47:48):
to get a guy, whereas the guys generally did want
someone there because well, you know, if you're doing the
crops at a ranked dinner.

Speaker 6 (47:54):
So you know it's it's it's been historically the case
that that men women like being married, yes, well need
to be married more than women do.

Speaker 7 (48:08):
What is the.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Men married man live longer than single men, but single
women like live longer than married women or like it's
like it's the numbers are bad.

Speaker 4 (48:22):
The numbers telling all right, no leve alone on the prairie.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
Nobody's going it alone and like doing very well out
in those conditions and more growth and eighteen said nobody
nobody's doing. Jonathan Gilbert stellar performance in this episode, Love
the Paint, Loving the Paint.

Speaker 6 (48:44):
Now this is the first time. Now maybe Allison, you're
in a better position to know this, but for miss
Beatle to send both Willy and Laura to the corner
very rare.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
I think it's I think it's the first time it happened.
I don't know there's a second. There's been one or two.
I think I did get set to the corner eventually
once or twice. That's why heays, know it's my corner corner.

Speaker 6 (49:10):
Yeah, I think there's And I think I think it's
so funny that the brother and sister who clearly. I mean,
and Allison, you watch this every day. This dynamic between
Melissa and Jonathan was probably pretty much like what we saw,
Yeah a lot.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
You know every now and then, Well, no, weren't they adopted?
And I said, dude, adopted? Schmopp did I was there?
I've heard them argue their brother and sister. Yeah, for sure, Yeah,
I can get it. I swear to Adam Court.

Speaker 4 (49:43):
Nurture and and even if you are adopted into a family,
it's the nurture of that world that by yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Classic, the classic annoying little brother like completely well, he.

Speaker 6 (50:00):
Is the perfect like completely naughty uh yeah, obnoxious little
brother that he's perfect. He is the perfect obnoxious, naughty
little because he's never really bad.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
He's just he's just like, he's such an opportunist. He's
just a complete whose side is winning. I guess I'm
on that one.

Speaker 4 (50:26):
That's man.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
There's been episodes for Wally has changside in the middle
of the whole cool she said, she get me.

Speaker 4 (50:33):
He has no more compass other than yes, he's just
an opportunist.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
He is an opportunist and he's so good because Jonathan
was so utterly natural and it's really good, really good.

Speaker 6 (50:50):
He's so terrific. Just the way he runs in that voice.
It always sounds like to me, it always sounds he's
sort of like speaking in falsetto. I never connected sound to.

Speaker 4 (51:03):
Me at did drop till he was he was late
in the puberty game too, because that stayed that way
for a long time.

Speaker 6 (51:12):
And suddenly he became this young man over It was
like it was a very during season nine, like he's.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Whistling through his mother. It was like, yeah, it was
like that he was. He was a big mouth breather
when he was a little mouth breather, a big yeah.
He would not breathe. It's like johnthan closer mouth breathing.
And then the day the yellow jacket flew in and
stung him in the mouth, and I think that character actually,

(51:42):
I think that was it. I think that was the day.

Speaker 6 (51:44):
Yellow jackets stung him in the.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Mouth, because Jonathan went around all day with his mouth
hanging open and huh and said, you know, one of
these days, because with the bugs and the pisa, one
of these days, and my god, the gilt Jeff and
his whole face swelled up like a great It was
quite painful. He was crying and it swelled up and
the head medic and everything, and you know he is.

Speaker 4 (52:12):
No, kids are so funny. I grew up with a
kid who I mean he he also had like an
open mouthing and he he would drool like it was
just so it was so weird, right, it was just
so much are.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Having trouble breathing their nose? I thinking a mathmatic scinus
thing going. And he's different, sure, but it was one
of those things.

Speaker 4 (52:31):
I was like, what, like crazy, why is this kid
drool and well into his ear like well pasted a
little little kiddom right, and he grew up to be
a perfectly normal mouthed, non drooling person, Like.

Speaker 7 (52:43):
What why why?

Speaker 1 (52:50):
Jonathan took an injury. It took pain, but he recovered
and and he did stop. But it was I remember
for years his mother and Melyssa and I and that's
so interesting.

Speaker 6 (53:04):
It's so worked for him. Everything he brought so worked
for him. He was I think he was he was
a little gem in the in the flavor of all
of this. He just he was so natural. He was
he was just all in. And it was just for
a guy who never really wanted to like was always

(53:26):
looking for a way to do as little as possible.
That worked for him. Alson, You've talked about that for years,
about how he was always sort of looking to sort of.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
Not you know, not yet he said he never read
the script.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
He just he came with looks at the audition, they're like,
and you can be willing. I mean it was ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
I mean, what a fluke man.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
He was a banded audition. He was just there with
another one. We'll have him to it's you know, he
didn't want to read it. He was a band you know,
he didn't read.

Speaker 4 (54:01):
And then he did.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Learn to read, and he still wasn't reading the scripts
because his mother readid And that was the whole thing.
Why don't you read the scripts? Jonathan? He read his
part even when he could fully read. You just read
his part. Why don't you read the script?

Speaker 4 (54:12):
I want to be.

Speaker 6 (54:15):
One of This voice just kills me listening to his voice.
It's great, it's great. I mean, just you know, speaking
about about Jonathan. I you know, when we when we
were all at Seami Valley together, it.

Speaker 4 (54:31):
Was almost a year ago. Now, I mean, this episode
it'll be but.

Speaker 6 (54:36):
Yeah, Jonathan, audiences are people who love the program. Were
so thrilled to see j God, because he is such
an indelible presence in those years that he's there, because
it's just he is, this, just this gnat bug source

(54:56):
of annoyance for everybody. And he was so good.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
At it, ye, so good at it, so brilliantly.

Speaker 6 (55:02):
Well, if we can get him out on the road
to come at me, we just knowing that people, people
would be thrilled.

Speaker 4 (55:08):
People keep asking about him.

Speaker 5 (55:09):
We don't know, always.

Speaker 6 (55:14):
Know where he is, but we don't bug him.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
He is sneaking. But oh my, when he came up
to that stage and he let his hair down and
the women said, I'm not supposed to feel this way
about Willielson. This is wrong.

Speaker 6 (55:32):
Oh my god, Yeah he was. He was just a riot.

Speaker 4 (55:36):
He was.

Speaker 6 (55:36):
He was right. He stepped right back into it, sticking
the tongue out. When he put on the little on
the costume. It's like, oh my god, what the there?

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Mind blowing. It was mind blowing the whole thing.

Speaker 6 (55:49):
Yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (55:50):
Know you said that. That put you back into therapy, Allison.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Yeah, yeah, magat the therapy. This is too much. My
brain cannot handle this at all.

Speaker 4 (56:00):
Okay, this is a silly question, but yes, I need
to know. Yes, missus Olsen pays twenty seven dollars boat
load for this wig? How much is that? And currently?
What do you think that is?

Speaker 1 (56:15):
Do you think it's like a thousand dollars dollars in
one hundred some hundreds? What is this?

Speaker 6 (56:21):
Hundreds of dollars? I mean people pay for an egg?

Speaker 1 (56:27):
Yeah, okay, okay, So let's see, was it twenty seven dollars?
Were gonna say twenty twenty seven? Is just random googling here?
Twenty seven dollars in we'll say eighteen seventeen seventy.

Speaker 6 (56:38):
Sure, yeah, no, I don't stop.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
We don't know. Oh, they believe there's a website that
thinks that they know something here like yess, and they're
going with.

Speaker 6 (56:53):
That.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
They believe that twenty seven dollars in eighteen seventy five
would be seven hundred and seventy nine dollars and seventy
four cents.

Speaker 6 (57:00):
I totally believe that, and.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
Definitely definitely a couple of hundred bucks at.

Speaker 4 (57:04):
Least I assumed it was in the high hundreds, if
not a thousand. That banana exactly.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
Yeah, they're saying there was inflation afriage inflation two point
seven percent a year, a cumulative price increase of two thousand,
seven hundred and eighty seven percent. So they're saying, yes,
it could be. In fact, inflation rate in eighteen seventy
five was minus three point fifty one. Blah blah blah.
So yeah, yeah, so it's it's it's six bananas.

Speaker 6 (57:30):
But yes, yeah, particularly for just this spontaneous thing, and
you know he's going to put it. Oh the guy,
the actor who played the big what what an interesting
voice he had.

Speaker 4 (57:44):
It was drag me up like a circus, like a
like a ring master type.

Speaker 6 (57:48):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well the mustache and
hoping that there was something in his rhythm that was
it felt it felt like such a.

Speaker 4 (57:58):
Stick is todd?

Speaker 1 (58:03):
Yeah so wait who So Rachel Long anchor is Clark
Della Clark's k Peters Mayfield. That's mister Warren Vanderson. The
wig dude is mister whusy townsman. Who is the whig dude?
I'm like, what was I don't know, mister Mason, mister Mason. Yes,

(58:26):
she said, I sold my hair to mister Mason. The
whig dude was mister Mason, which is Roger Bowen, Roger
Bowen and Roger Bowen Roger comedian actor, not Colonel Henry Blake.
In the film version of masch It says here it's
Roger that Roger Bowen. Yes, even cowgirls get the blues, Yes, yes,

(58:46):
kayton Nelly, uh, it appears to be him advertising men
and Samuel Mason. He was on our show twice and
indeed it appears he was in everything. Jeffer Sallas's is
what's happening? Et cetera, et cetera. But I'm scrolling, scrolling, scrolling,
and what with Bernie Miller get the usual kind of

(59:08):
things that one would see and local American style nineteen
seventy Colonel Henry Blake and mash in the film nineteen
seventy thattch him.

Speaker 4 (59:18):
Do you guys think it's better to be a consistently
working actor but not known as a thing? Right, So
like this, let's sake for example, this actor who's consistently
working all the time and tons of different shows, different parts,
different characters, but he's not famous. No one knows him
for a specific thing, or or to be known for

(59:40):
that one specific thing from that one show. What would
you I mean there I guess they're I.

Speaker 6 (59:47):
Think from a legacy perspectives, the one show.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
A bigger I like being famous. I wanted to be
the worry because, as I said, it was just all
these kids like Rachel Longacre and Matt and a bunch
of who did all these TV movies of the Week
and all these after specials, all into episodes of The
Moosy Dryer, the Whole Gang, and but and since then,

(01:00:13):
I've talked about oh Man and Katie Kurtzman, you got
to this yant and they went, yeah, and we were
all wishing we'd bag a series and be continuously apporting
for multiple years in a row. So don't come crying
to us that you're ye special. I'm like, oh, I
guess there's yeah. It was grass is greener.

Speaker 4 (01:00:28):
The grass was greener on these sofic because I could
see the benefits of But you know, there's something to
be said about not being famous, protecting your you know,
still maintaining your anonymity, but working all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
And I see people like that all the time. I
see people in TV shows. God is a person. I'm
here looking their IMDb is like one hundred credits long,
and I'm going I've seen everything they've been in no
wonder where I recognize them. But if I went out
on the street and said, who's been to the bath?

Speaker 6 (01:00:57):
Look at Dabs Greers IMDb. He has seven hundred credits.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
On his own because he worked he was like ninety
nine and a half or whatever.

Speaker 6 (01:01:06):
But Dab's greetor is best known for the two preachers
that he played, one on Little House and the other
on the Green Mile three mile.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
Yeah, and marrying Caryl Brady did he did marry Get the.

Speaker 6 (01:01:20):
Mother Bread, So there is something to be said for that. Now,
Dabs is what an exceptional career he had and just
an amazing career. But having that one thing that you
are known for, it just it allows you to be
framed in a particular way, which I think is useful

(01:01:43):
and valuable and just turn in terms of us just
establishing your space in the world. But no question, how
great to be an actor who is being hired constantly,
working constantly.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
You're good good. We're saying that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:03):
I don't know if you guys are watching White Lotus,
but you know, on this current season of White Lotus,
I'm seeing it happening with Walter Goggins, right Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
He's getting famous.

Speaker 4 (01:02:13):
But that's an actor who has been in everything, and
every time you see him, you're like, oh, that guy,
but you don't necessarily know his name. You just know, like, oh,
that's the guy from this other thing and that other thing.
And all of a sudden, he's on White Lotus, which
is now and now we all I it's going to
be really interesting to see now that he's he's been famous,

(01:02:36):
but no one knows his name. Right, He's been famous
for twenty years, but without a name, And now all
of a sudden, because of this one show, people are
all going to know his name and work for this
entire time.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
You never know what the thing it's gonna be. And
then we talked about that before a show worship but
oh you're gonna famous? Which song will be the hit? Which? Which?
Never know? And almost every time the actor performers going that.

Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
What can you do?

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
You just don't know?

Speaker 4 (01:03:07):
Okay, sorry, track, but off the track, I.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Think the exit one thing, baby Carry. I just happened
to notice this Baby Carry. She said, she's not in
the play the whole thing, but baby Carry. I finally
did it. I finally freeze framed the opening credits when
baby carry falls because remember the story.

Speaker 6 (01:03:28):
Is the shoes on the wrong foot.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
If you stop, you hit that something freeze frame. Because
when she hits the face, plants her little leg, her
little foot, and I from it and you go, no, wait,
which leg is that? That's the right And I'm like
turning myself in my looking at it, going, who's around there?
You can do that, that's the right foot.

Speaker 4 (01:03:49):
That's let attribute their shoes being on the wrong feet.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
Her mother for her, she woke up from her nap
and her mother went, they went quick, give me the twins.
She went, and she and a lot to do.

Speaker 6 (01:04:03):
With Carol was.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
The popular and Carol.

Speaker 6 (01:04:10):
Carol was a very memorable characters in my book, a
lot also attractive, very attractive woman, you know, I mean,
you know, yeah, and flirty and you know all of that. Yes,
she had all that going on and and and a

(01:04:31):
little yeah, and a and a little and I think
her girls know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
But that's where she went down the boots and you
can even see the boots not even really on her foot.
It's like it's like coming off if.

Speaker 6 (01:04:45):
It works so great, and you know, and what's lovely
about it was it was it was Robin right, who
did it?

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
Or was it Rachel?

Speaker 6 (01:04:55):
Okay, check again smiling, keep no tears. No, it just
gets up and everyone's yelling and keep coming, keep coming
down the hill. But she was just adorable.

Speaker 4 (01:05:07):
And that hill is rough, that hilly rough, not soft grass, No,
not at all. Yeah, bumbly it's hard. I have run
down it, don't tell see.

Speaker 6 (01:05:22):
Fortunately yeah no, Fortunately she was so tiny she didn't
have far to fall. True, that's that's the good news.
And she got up, smiling and kept coming down the hill.
Good for her, And it's an adorable, indelible moment.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
She's like, did she how many children? This is why
we're talking about difference between child actors and normal children.
Normal child would have been sobbing hysterically. Wow, I just
fella the thing that it all. She just got up and.

Speaker 6 (01:05:53):
Went yeah, kept going yeah yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:05:57):
Now another shout out to baby Carrie, who to carry
once again made a trip to the outhouse in this episode.
We couldn't think of anything else to do.

Speaker 6 (01:06:06):
Why that's going to go tell mob? But now but
I'm gonna and now I'm going. Yeah. It's just it's
just was this running It was running joke.

Speaker 4 (01:06:19):
Literally running joke. Just justice for Carrie. That's just characters.

Speaker 6 (01:06:27):
We have to we have to do that T shirt
at some point.

Speaker 4 (01:06:30):
Justice Carrie, which was with the picture of an outhouse
on it. Okay, merch.

Speaker 6 (01:06:38):
Merch idea, Yeah, we could get that one passed.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
Okay. The picture of the face plant with the one
foot in the air, maybe that's the.

Speaker 4 (01:06:50):
Picture that that could be. That could be true, right,
that could be it?

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
All right, Well, we love this episode, all the bad weeks,
the beauty. How do you feel?

Speaker 4 (01:06:59):
How how do you feel, Dean?

Speaker 6 (01:07:01):
I do? I feel much better about it now, I
really do, particularly knowing that there is I went to
chat CHEPT last night and they said, is there a
connection in this plot to Little Women? And chatchpt came
up empty on that. Really, yeah, you didn't get you
know what was it? It had to be the hair,
but it didn't come up with it, and so I thought,

(01:07:25):
it just tells you chat EPT.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Is no everything.

Speaker 4 (01:07:27):
They don't They don't know everything.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
To bring father home, that was that's all.

Speaker 6 (01:07:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:07:36):
I love to ask for the synopsis of Little Women
and then maybe it would have all made more sense.

Speaker 6 (01:07:43):
Yeah, but I asked for that too. It was just
it was not a fruitful search. And this was like,
this was like at ten thirty at night, and I'm
just like, I'm wiped out. It's been a long day
because how is this work? This is annoying to me,
and I just got I got a little.

Speaker 4 (01:08:00):
Testing, very desperation. Yeah, I've been there. It's like, oh God,
we're recording tomorrow, please please help me. Internet great, Yeah
I got it.

Speaker 6 (01:08:10):
But gratefully, you too had a good take on it.
So all right, so let's let's race for the exit.

Speaker 4 (01:08:15):
Pamela, Okay, everybody, thank you for joining us today. Hope
you enjoyed it. I personally love this episode. It was
always one of my favorites, especially as a kid. Loved it.
But that's also because I knew Little Women, so I
knew that I knew the parallels. So there you go.
If you haven't seen Little Women, watch Little Women or
read Little Women and then revisit this episode and it'll

(01:08:36):
blow your mind. Anyway, thank you for being here. Join
us on Patreon. We're gonna be doing that right and
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(01:08:56):
in the show notes, so you know there's fun stuff
happening into only twenty five and beyond. Anyway, everybody, thanks
for being here. Bob, get the wig. Let's fly everyone
down the hill in the bunch, don't with everybody

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