"SCHOOL MOM" recap!

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Speaker 4 (02:32):
Well Hello again, Hello, Hello, Hello bonnet heads. How are you.
It's been a week. I'm Pamela bab I'm your host,
creator of living on a Rairi and I am here
as always with our one and only borrow a bitch
or bianch as. I kind of want to say beach
now because I do feel bad saying bitch, but she's
here a listen heart problema. I think we do love you,

(02:55):
bother me, me, mothers me, because I love you, and
also we are here with our hashtag imaginary boyfriend Dean Butler.
I don't feel bad about saying that to you.

Speaker 5 (03:12):
Okay, thank you? Well, Hi everybody. So Allison, I understand
you have. You've had quite a journey today to get
We should make sure everyone understands that you are coming
to us again from the other side of the world.
Oh what did you do to be ready today?

Speaker 1 (03:31):
If you don't, you can say gars they can to
make So I'm in Paris right now, to friends, who has.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
This is that funny house?

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Oh my gosh, I was. I was doing a show
out in your Germanville. And so today I was driven
to the train in whodum and uh with my luggage
and I took the train into Montparness, which is bottom
end of Paris and the top end of Paris, so

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I took the number thirteen because it was getting certain
to rain and taxis were going to be a zoo,
so I said, held it and actually did the escalators
and the subway with all my leggage and.

Speaker 5 (04:18):
Made it lightly.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
And I mean, I've gotten I sold a lot of photos,
so I'd unloaded a lot of stuff, so it wasn't
as bad as it could be.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
And at least it's not the dead of summer where
it's ninety degrees out.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yeah, freezing actually, which also made it hard. But I
had like one big case, one small space and backpacks.
I'd like figured it out and I only had to
roll them like four blocks. And yeah, it's fine. But
then I get in and was greeted with, yeah, the
neighbor has a pet mouse and it apparently has tatten
out and no one knows where it is, but we
think it's in this apartment.

Speaker 5 (04:52):
Oh wow, I didn't hear.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
I didn't realize it. Yeah, at least it's domesticated, the.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Wild rat something and it's totally totally somewhere on this far.
But you're in the little I already heard like screechy, scratchy,
scratchy behind the furniture of it. Now, I'm not scared
of mice. That was first are afraid of mice, and like, no,
I'm not afraid of mice. I'm not a frail rats.
I'm afraid of sna and care tigers, alligators.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
Well, just.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
So, I'll probably try to keep it or something and
get it away from it.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
I know it might be really cute.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
It's fairly adorable, but.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
You mice, rats not so much. You know what I
really can't do. Possums. Possums which possums freaking me out
like you would never And there are all these videos
of like people opening their cabinets and their kitchen and
there's a freaking possum.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
It's awful.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
I've seen them in real life. I've seen them in
my backyard. They are horrible, creepy creatures. I'm sorry possum
lovers out there.

Speaker 5 (05:54):
They are not one of nature's most esthetic creatures. But
I think they're pretty benign.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
I had I kept it in a hotel room in
Florida while making the movie. I know, we found it
in the woods. It was wild and we had it.
It got loose in the hotel. But yeah, when they're
frightened or mad.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
They go, yeah, they do that, it's terrifying.

Speaker 5 (06:20):
That's their defense. And then if that doesn't work, then
they just play dead. They just they just.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
They Also they can buy mine did not bite anybody.
It was a good, sweet little thing. But if they bite,
apparently it's really bad and they could like to lock
their jaws.

Speaker 5 (06:37):
That's not so you were while you were doing shows
over the weekend and now traveling today. Uh now, because
we drop our shows later than they actually are recorded,
but in this time zone, that in this time frame,

(06:57):
we announced the We announced the formation of Prairie Legacy Productions.

Speaker 4 (07:01):
Please tell me all about it. I know nothing.

Speaker 5 (07:03):
Alton and I are the co managers.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
Of Tell Me Everything, so.

Speaker 5 (07:08):
You know this is a We formed Prairie Legacy Productions
Allison and I and then Jennifer Brawler, who has been
wonderful with influencing in my social media and a devoted
Little House fan, and Mike Davidson who has been so
present for the Little House cast during the last several years,

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and he's just been in a lot of different places.
He has seventeen years of connection to Little House. We
formed this entity to do events principally. That's what that's
what we're going to talk about in the present, is
doing events. And it really is a response and Allison

(07:52):
can confirm this or amplify it. It's really a response
to what happened last September in Connecticut.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
In Pennsylvania it was Bonker's we as everyone knows who
is there and who saw the pictures, seen the stories
on Facebook. Things things went a little bit, you know,
fire festival and not our fault. And as soon as
we realized that it was an utenable situation that there
was not going to improve, we ran like the wind
and said yeah no. So we were parting ways with

(08:22):
this whole operation because it's just not right. Somebody was
going to get hurt. I don't like it at all
with treating the fans and the whole thing. So we
got out and then we said, well, what we need
to do more of it? And people were constantly on
Facebook and in my email and in my face, going,
please tell me that you guys are going to have
more events with the cast. We understand that that whole
operation crashed and burned and went out, but surely you

(08:44):
guys could do something and to da we have we
have wed because we did.

Speaker 4 (08:52):
This I saw this announcement, I was like, they should
have been doing this all along, like it's it's funny
how it took this whole horrible thing to happen, to go, oh,
wait a minute, we can actually control this. And we
go well silver Lighting, yeah yeah, yeah, and we and
we went through.

Speaker 5 (09:11):
And the reason that one of the reasons it's taken
so long is because there has to be in a
relationship like this with the rights holder, friendly family productions
has to be papered correctly. And so there was a
lot of in the last several weeks, a lot of
back and forth on what the nature of the agreement,

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the fine print of the agreement's going to say, and
we all signed it last Friday.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Which got a lot of paper. So a lot of
paper when you do this if those of you have
not created an entity company, and we have like things
in France, people creating neliols and then vote for village
and association so that they can produce bring my show
in here. It's a whole thing. And I have loose grumble,
but boy, there's a lot of paper involved, and a
lot of filling things out and checking boxes and going

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back and forth. And I wound up. I was signing
it in the dressing room before the show. Yeah, it's crazy,
so very good.

Speaker 5 (10:06):
Yeah, we sent it to we sent it around finally,
as we started off asking for real signatures and then
we moved to a docu sign approach which we were
all able to sign in about.

Speaker 4 (10:19):
Who does real signatures anywhere?

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Yeah, exactly, it's going to be sad, sad, And.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
So when are we going to hear about events?

Speaker 5 (10:29):
Very soon? The first event is going to be announced
very very soon. It is. It is deep in the
planning and we will be announcing it officially once we
have the language of the announcement locked up. So but
but it's coming. So with that in mind, let's move
on to to today.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, Well today we're talking
about the themes of compassion and understanding, which is mostly
the themes of all of the Little House on the Prairie,
but in particular today that we have a really touching
season one episode. We've been doing a lot of Season
one but they're goodies and it's just us today. So

(11:12):
from the studios of UBNO in Bourbank, California, ME and
New York City, this is the Little House fiftieth Anniversary Podcast,
Season two recap. Okay, Dean, what episode are we talking

(11:41):
about today?

Speaker 5 (11:43):
Okay, so today we are talking about episode nine from
season one, school Mom, which premiered on Wednesday, November thirteenth,
nineteen seventy four.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
So this is like you know, early days, Yeah, eight,
really early.

Speaker 5 (12:00):
It's two months. It's two months into the show's run
that this show premiers. This This episode was written by
writer producer Ward Hawkins, who was one of Michael's writing
writing producing mentors during the Bonanza years, and it was
directed by one of Bonanza's and Little House's most stable

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and staple directors throughout the run, William F. Claxton. So
a really nice team on this one. And Allison, we.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Have my favorite part of the show.

Speaker 6 (12:35):
Here we go.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
You love you like what I read?

Speaker 4 (12:38):
Read I do? I love it.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
So we have synopsis here because this one, this one
is like way cool here because you get you get
Dan Locker's son. So it's like, oh my god, my god,
this is very this is so early on. I think
it's still my real hair. I was looking at it was.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
I actually I actually am my notes. I wrote this
is real.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Allison a baby. So this is way.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
So this is is.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
In one episode School Mom, Caroline Ingles steps into an
unexpected role as the substitute teacher in Walnut Grove. Caroline
struggles with feelings of inadequacy, particularly under the critical eye
of the town's resident busy body area. Also significant subplot
is the Schwelle. I think it's the subplot. I think

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it's the whole plot. Yeah, Miss Beetle falls off a horse.
Caroline takes ever, but it's able, poor able Abel, who
is embarrassed about his complete inability to read. Caroline's compassionate,
patient approach helps Able to make strides in an education
demonstrate the powerful impact a carrying teacher can have on
a student's life. School Mom is a classic example of
The Little House on the Prairie's ability to intertwine historical

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storytelling with a timeless life lesson, making it a memorable
and heartfelt episode in the series. It is itself out
illiteracy and bullying and oh my god, it's great, great, great.

Speaker 5 (13:55):
I think it's uh, I think it's really well. It's
early on, obviously, but I think it's just a spectacular
performance for Karen. I think she's wonderful in it. I
think I think everyone's wonderful in it. This is what
was what's cool about this period of time in the
series Life is that Michael is establishing everybody and you

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know that the major players in the family and and
the voices of people and so on, and this was
a wonderful opportunity for Karen. She's just she's luminous in this.
I mean, she's just When Karen walks into a room
on the first day as the school teacher, she's just
absolutely gorgeous. There is this there is this earth mother

(14:43):
quality about her that is so wonderful.

Speaker 4 (14:47):
And well, what was her hippie name something true?

Speaker 1 (14:53):
Gabriel.

Speaker 4 (14:55):
She walked into that post school teacher persona is Gabriel Tree.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
They changed, But this is awesome because this is aware.
First of all, you Caroline Ingles talk to school and
they mentioned vaguely like in the pilots of well, you know,
I used to teach. This is where she goes, Hello,
I used to actually teach for like a long time.
I'm back and the kids are giving a great break.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
You're not the teachers could well, they're doing it because
Nelly really are Bill in there?

Speaker 3 (15:27):
Religious?

Speaker 4 (15:27):
Yes, sorry, I couldn't.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Like like a bunch of twelve year olds are like
worried about her resume. Really yeah, but I'm like, she's
not really, she's not really the sate lin she's not changed.
And so she's like a teacher. It's insane. Of course
I'm a teacher. And this is where Caroline lays and
shit and she's tough. She's like, no, we're not having this,
We're not. And she gets to say no, no, there's

(15:52):
going to be limits, so you can't do this to people.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
And it's although they kept saying, like I taught a
long time ago, things have changed like that, what do
you think changed?

Speaker 5 (16:01):
What do you think kid? The twelve year old kid
says things have changed? What does the kid changed?

Speaker 4 (16:07):
No, typewriters, we're still it's still the Dewey decimal system, right,
if that even was indented by then, Yes.

Speaker 5 (16:18):
I think. I think when she talks about the fact
that every she very she dials this down with everybody
deserves a chance.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (16:28):
And then we get into the young man who she
asks him what he does well, and he hits a
baseball well, and so they go outside and Caroline, you know, wax.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
The ball epic epic, God, it feels good when she
hits that ball, doesn't it?

Speaker 5 (16:49):
That feels good, doesn't it? I mean she just I
just love the way she handled that. Now interestingly in
the time then she but she says to her daughter's
don't tell your father that I hit the ball I
know out of the yard. Now he learns about it
anyway and loves it. But that she has to express

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a concern that he would know and hit a baseball.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
Well and seventy four, I mean super not lady like,
not what a mom and a teacher is supposed to
be out. Wha I can play into account of baseball.
Whatever the heck they were calling that that week. It
was supposed to be like a gasp, she was like
a in the books, but she's upset that Laura plays ball.
But in this she's laying down the law, like, yes,

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I can, I can play baseball. I can do whatever
I need to do to do this well.

Speaker 5 (17:39):
And I think what she's saying is that everyone can
do what they need to do, you know. I think
that's I think that's what sort of sets all this InMotion,
is that she is able to step forward against perhaps
some resistance, and what's going to follow the as Alison described,
really the major plot point of this episode is the

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is the awakening of the academic potential of the full
grown able wonderfully played by Dan Blocker's son Derek.

Speaker 4 (18:17):
Now Abel is clearly forty two years old. I know,
I know how old you think he was.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
He looks at thirty seven. He's in fact actually only seventeen.
No way, he was seventeen years old when he did this.
His dad, Dan Blocker could but he just that's how
well you've seen him today. Dark Blocker is working today.
He has a fine career. He's just that's what he
looks like. He he looked like you are grown ass man.

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He just seventeen.

Speaker 5 (18:52):
Well he had and he had his father's hair too.
I mean, I mean he heard that look was so
his father really interesting.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
When you first see him, you're like, whoa, what is
this full grown man doing in discussion? And that is
the episode. He's so lovely and kind and so he's
so good in this episode you just believe it. And
then then as the episode goes on, you're like, Okay,
he's probably seventeen eighteen, maybe nineteen, maybe maybe we'll stretch

(19:22):
it up to nineteen. But I will say it is jarring.
When you first see him, I was like, that man
is forty five years old, he dude, and it's their
like the thinning hair. I mean, the guy is Yeah,
he's the opposite of Laura Ingall's puberty trajection wise, Yes,

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let's put it this way.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Where she stays a baby till like eighteen. But that's
the thing. He looks exactly like his dad, Damn Blocker
And that was the whole thing. And that's kind of
it's almost part of the plot. You're like living it
as you're watching. Even the show Michael's best best friend.
He loved Blocker Hawks God so much.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
Thank god he was as good of an actor in
this episode, because otherwise you really wouldn't have bought it.
You just wouldn't have. You would have thought, what is
this full grown man doing in this classroom? But it worked.
It totally worked. It totally worked. It's just the Shaka
for seeing him is like whoa woof.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
And when Dan died not that long.

Speaker 5 (20:23):
Before this, oh it's like two years, I want to say.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
So Michael had stepped in and said, here is this boy,
teenage boy who has just lost his father, who was
one of Michael's best friends who absolutely loved and he
gives his teenage boy this huge freaking part, this role
so he can follow in his dad's footsteps and kick
him off. And the crew all and see, Okay, I

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was I was twelve, but it was helpable. You knew
what was going on. It was it was Michael's friend's
kid that he loved and this was his huge opportunity.
And the crew all because remember the crew was all
from Bonana's right. They were all like, oh my god,
oh my god, he's his dad. He's just like his
dad looking and the beautiful. They loved him. When he

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looks just like his dad, he acts like his dad.
And the support and the feeling of let's give this
kid a chance, a leg up here a chance some
and they did and it was it was lovely. It
was lovely.

Speaker 5 (21:22):
Well you just you you just feel. And the way
that Karen interacts with young Dirk, I mean, she obviously
didn't know him before, but there's a wonderful there's a
wonderful connection that she establishes with him right away that's

(21:44):
very touching and and warm. And I think, didn't she
come she comes home from that, Well, we guess, no,
I guess I'm trying to think if it's the first
day of the saying here, I have all these I
have my notes on the episode.

Speaker 4 (22:00):
You know, you write them down.

Speaker 5 (22:03):
Well, I'm just the useless remembering it even down, I
can't remember. But though there's a there's just a nice
there's a nice connection that's established there. And the children
initially are you know, the teasing about that he can't
read and and he of course is embarrassed by that,

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and and Caroline's lovely with it and realize she has
an opportunity.

Speaker 4 (22:34):
Yeah, I just need to say, in this town full
of warm, lovely people, those kids are raging assholes. They're
so awful. And this is not the first time. It
is a common theme we see these school children being
total a holes, like really horrible, horrible. What what's going

(22:55):
on with the children of Walnut Grove? I mean, I
know kids are a hole, right, Like are.

Speaker 5 (23:02):
Always children are all horrible to each other, so hard
are historically I mean, look, Alison, don't know what you experienced, Pamela, Oh,
I experience. You know, I certainly experienced in school kids
that were horrible, not great, Because kids are testing.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
You everything to try all the time. It's painting.

Speaker 4 (23:28):
Yeah, well, every single one of them, come on for me.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
You expect it from me that I'm gonna be dominatle
he's really stupid, you know. Yeah, of course, of course.
But kids will like it's it's just like wild animals.
They will you know, Lord of the Flies. But there
they will go for someone perceived as weak or different.
And it's an age thing. There's like a peak at

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like nine, like everybody's pretty nice in first and second grade,
then third grade.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
They're just terrible monsters.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
Chilled up.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Sixth grade it's nice. And then somewhere in junior high,
all of a sudden, the knives were out again.

Speaker 4 (24:07):
With people I couldn't believe. I was like, these kids
are awful. I hate every single one of them. They're
terrible children. Step up, Walnut Grove, freak out.

Speaker 5 (24:20):
Before we move too deeply into the episode, I want
to jump back to the very beginning. It really connects
to the awfulness of the children, the young well, or
the mischievousness of the children. The young boy who comes
out with the snake, with the snake and that you know,
and the girls are running and screaming, and then the horse,
the horse shies, gallops away. You know that that moment.

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Charlotte has talked about that moment many many times. And
when we saw the shot of her, or actually the double.

Speaker 4 (24:52):
It looks to off the.

Speaker 5 (24:53):
Way the double looks incredible. I never would have thought
that was.

Speaker 4 (24:59):
Not I thought. I actually put in my notes like,
holy hell, Charlotte did that? Stunned because you see her face,
it looks like Charlotte.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
I don't said dude, No, there's it's a dude at
that miles somebody, Yeah, it's a guy doing most of
the snow. Again. The editing, hey, like you all saw
me get hit in the face with a tree branch.
Not They did one of those like insane editing jobs
where they kept as much of Charlotte as possible, like

(25:27):
how long can we keep you in this where we
don't kill you a horse, and then edited the be
Jesus out of it in the next on.

Speaker 5 (25:34):
The ground and the coming off the wagon straight one shot.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yeah, there's no cut now.

Speaker 5 (25:43):
And they did it. I mean, she never looked up
at the camera, she didn't do that. But the profile
was really good and just the whole physicality was excellent.
Are you sure this was a guy in a dress
doing this.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
I'm I'm I'm IMDb in it. And there's been and
there's been several articles. It was like the Walnut Groovy
people going, what the heck is that a stunt? Everyone
has gone seriously is that a stunt man? What is
happening in this episode? And seriously it's like really what
trivia trivia? Dan b Locker, Yeah, yeah, yeah, dearv Locker, Right.

Speaker 4 (26:19):
Can we while you're i am be doing this, can
we just talk about when uh we see miss Beadle
at home when I was having tea with her, and
she has her hair down in a braid, which is
the thickest braid I've ever seen in my entire entire life.
It's a braid this wide.

Speaker 5 (26:37):
That's something that is a woman, you know.

Speaker 4 (26:39):
I just I just said, that's the first it's the
first time we see her with her hair down, even
though it's a braid, but it's her hair down. And
then she's also in a lovely, lovely home, sipping on
nice china. Where does Miss Beidle live? Do we know
where she live?

Speaker 5 (26:54):
I think she lives upstairs in the in that you know,
above the post office. I think that's where she feels retically.

Speaker 4 (27:00):
Lived, because her home was very lovely. It was not
a cabin in the woods somewhere, it was a lovely home.
Find China and the thickest hair I've ever seen in
my entire life. Actually, with the braid down, I was like,
this is so I know it was the nineteen seventy four,
but I was like, this is so nineteen eighties, this
hairstyle with the party in the front and the.

Speaker 5 (27:21):
Charlotte Charlotte is just flat out one of those really.

Speaker 4 (27:25):
Beautiful, gorgeous Oh my god.

Speaker 5 (27:28):
She's gorgeous in such an accessible, I know kind of way. Yeah,
she's absolutely beautiful, very sexy woman. I mean she is
Charlotte's If Charlotte's watching this, I mean, I think Charlotte's
a sexy, very sexy woman in her eighties.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
She is I just still got it thing.

Speaker 5 (27:48):
About her that's very just so alive and so present
all the time. And I can just imagine I mean, Charlotte, well,
we know if you've read Charlotte's book, Charlotte had quite
the quite the life, yes, out there, but she's just
so lovely and personable and there's such warmth that comes

(28:11):
off of Charlotte, and I love that conversation that they
had when they talk about is able backward and that's
not a term that I've ever heard before.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
What they did.

Speaker 5 (28:23):
Yeah, so so are we suggesting so that backward would
suggest some sort of mental.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
Incapacity developmental what we would say now, developmentally delayed or
intellectually challenge to backwards. The big one too, that was
that was considered the nice worth the questionable word then
was slow. That that's like in the books. There's a
thing and it's in the musical. It's in the musical
where Laura to insult Nelly at one point go, I

(28:50):
heard she's.

Speaker 5 (28:51):
Slow, Nellie. May be many things slow is isn't one
of them? No, No, there's nothing slow about it.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
Okay, according to Walnut Groovy, where it went on for
about seventeen paragraphs going, it's her, it's her, it's Charlotte,
it's her, it's Charlotte. Look at her, look at her,
look at her. And clearly she did one of those
like fall off the wagon onto a mattress thing, so
you see her screaming, and I mean clearly they did
a bunch of that. However, update I have learned that
the amazing stunt woman who resembles Miss Beatles was actually

(29:26):
Bob Miles, a stunt man veteran of Bonanza, did stun't
work for Halloween for a little house, and they have
his picture in there going and as you can see,
doesn't look at all like Shepherds like. But they just said,
well done. They just there's the editing process was such
and they used hers. I'm sure they had like something

(29:46):
where she had to fall over.

Speaker 5 (29:48):
No, yeah, there's no shot, there's no cut.

Speaker 4 (29:53):
It's the dive off the wagon. And then you see
her face and it looks like Charlotte.

Speaker 5 (29:58):
Well you see the profile. You don't really she doesn't
look full up at the camera. But yeah, you'd swear.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
It's really sneaky. I mean, like I said, I mean,
I I watch when I run into that tree branch
in Money, and I go, that really looks like I
just rode straight to the tree branch in my face
and I did not.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
He must have been so slight, his frame must have
been so Yeah, ob.

Speaker 5 (30:24):
Women, Yeah, no, exactly why this is one of these
if that, if it really is Bob Miles, and I
wish we could check that, you know, really and someone
who was there.

Speaker 7 (30:36):
Yeah, but yeah, Charlotte, Charlotte would know and she may
have been game for a lot of it, because I mean,
she grew up on a farm.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
She was was flower.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
That was a dive from a moving wagon full somersault.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
I think when she was hanging out with Jim Morrison
that she may have jumped out of the Folkswagen bus.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
That's the that's it. Can we can? I just want
to talk about another part too, which is sure, Well,
she comes home from school, she's defeated. She's very upset
because she's scared off this student, and Charles says, and

(31:29):
then she's like, don't. Then then the kids say dumb able,
and she gets really upset that her own children are
even calling him dumb able. And then she sort of
composes herself. She's like, Okay, I'll make dinner, and Pa says,
dinner is already cooked and already and that couldn't be
the hotter. That's every woman's dream, Are you kidding me?

(31:53):
You come home, you've had a really hard day, You've
worked all day. Now you have to come home and
like cook for the family. It's the last thing you
want to do. And your husband stands there and says,
don't worry, I got dinner. It's already on the stove.
Do you understand. Do you understand, Alison, you get it deep?
Do you understand that's all any woman needs? Like that's

(32:15):
automatic popcorn right there in the bowl. That night done.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
I come and I've already called Rubb. But in the table,
I'm like, are sit? Yeah, that's anything. And that's the
thing is eighteen hundred and that's why pau beautiful, shirtless, gorgeous,
hot paw who says, honey, I have dinner already, and
that is why America swooned.

Speaker 4 (32:41):
Yes, yes, especially because of the time period. Yes, that's
it exactly. But I just had to mention that because
there is nothing more attractive, there's nothing hotter, there's nothing
more supportive than your husband, especially in the eighteen hundreds,
going don't worry, honey, I got dinner tonight.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Now, remember she had to quote the Bible to get
him to do dishes. Stuff.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
I love.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
That's one of my favorite scenes of all time.

Speaker 4 (33:04):
And if you look it up, no, it's a different.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
But to wipe wipe then God goal, turn's wipe it
like as a man wipe us a dish and as
she said, men do dishes because it's in the Bible,
and it actually is. It was nice because they quoted
the number and it's correct.

Speaker 5 (33:20):
Michael's reference baseball in the Bible in the beginning.

Speaker 4 (33:24):
Oh dad joke, Dad joke, classic dad joke. I do
have a question for you, though maybe I don't know
if either one of you will know this, because Alison
you were a child, and Dean you weren't there. When
did the dispute really start? The rift between Michael and
Karen happened? Because his scenes are so tender, so lovely.

(33:47):
I was just curious because these scenes between them are
so beautiful.

Speaker 5 (33:50):
They are they are I think, you know, I was
going to comment on this because we we obviously are
moving through the series and they you there is definitely
a point where you see the change. This is not
we are still in you know, a very it feels
like a very collegial.

Speaker 4 (34:10):
Yes, an tender.

Speaker 5 (34:13):
And I think they are well. Look, even when things
were chili, they were always great together on camera. There
were other things that happened, but they were always great
together on camera, and this is one of those.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Really to see the first year. I love the first
season because I would say it's a more innocent time
before any of us knew what we gotten ourselves into
the show wasn't like a hit yet. I mean, yeah,
the pilot was a preestlt but we still the first
year were like, la la la la la, Great, it's
presolt for this many episodes. I guess it wouldn't like
It's just how we didn't believe it'd be fifty years later.
We didn't believe it was going to go more than

(34:52):
the first year, so we're also just going to go travel.

Speaker 4 (34:54):
La la la.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
And then around year second or third, we went, oh, no,
it's a hit. What do we all do now? And
I think when realization the show's quacklo show is going
to go on for a very long time, all of
a sudden everyone started going, well, now wait a minute here,
what am I? What am I doing? And I think
that's when karens diaid what what is happening here?

Speaker 5 (35:14):
Why? I love that. You know, your father thought that
this wasn't going to go six months, Yes you want
to watch this, while well he who grew up on
a farm himself, it was the last thing he wanted
to watch.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
Right, No, no, it was he said, I left the
farm at fifteen. If I never see another cow again,
it'll be too soon.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
Yeah, from Liberachi, Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (35:38):
But Pamela, I think your observation is really astute. There
there is a coming change.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
But do you do you think that the when you
say like you could obviously see the change, do you
think that was storyline?

Speaker 1 (35:55):
What?

Speaker 4 (35:55):
What do you think that the change was?

Speaker 5 (35:57):
Well shows up in the writing. Yeah, it shows up.
It shows up in the diminishing presence. I think, you know,
by the time I'm so, we're digressing here. But by
the time I came into the series, I think Karen.
I think Karen was feeling like she had been relegated
to pouring coffee, saying, you know, have a That's where

(36:19):
I think she felt like she had gotten to. And
obviously what we're seeing in this school Mom episode is
anything but that, right.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Yeah, she felt very much and well like I'm going
to be the Leland well you know, Olivia Walton is.
But and then like when it became quits like, well, hey,
Melissa Gobert, she's Laura Ingalls and it's like, you know,
am I third banana to a nine year old? What
is happening years, and as an actress, the thing is
we forget even if the actor says, and most of

(36:48):
it did, this is great. I don't care about any
of that show busy stuff. I want to get paid
halfway decent and it's ago. I'm doing this. But you
have managers, you have agents, you have publicists. They are
this Greek course and they will constantly say you're getting
short shrift. Well, this is terrible, and the little girl
is the star, and why aren't you the star? And

(37:09):
why aren't you? And you're pretty telling you it's the One.

Speaker 5 (37:15):
Of the ultimate examples of that was Meredith Baxter, Bernie
and Michael Gross with Family.

Speaker 4 (37:20):
Ties Family Ties.

Speaker 5 (37:22):
When Michael J. Fox exploded on that show it started,
it was their show in the pilot, right.

Speaker 4 (37:31):
And it was always a place to be their show.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Yeah, and children Fox, They're supposed to be cute little
children and their children and no, this is why people
say don't work with dogs and children for God's sakes,
And that's what happened. Michael J. Fox, Phonsie did became
the Michael J. Fox Show, and they were just doomed.

Speaker 5 (37:50):
I think there was a I think there was I
think there was considerable. I think there was a lot
of upset on set because of that change. That became
very clear, like almost instantly where this was going.

Speaker 4 (38:07):
Yeah, so sad. It's such a disservice to us too
to not have her be that fully fleshed out character.
You know that he gave her moments, he gave her
certain totally every now well early.

Speaker 5 (38:20):
Early, early, she had the opportunity to establish herself. And
good for Karen that she I think I know she's
because she's written about it. She struggled with this, but
she always kept it good on camera.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Yeah, she kept doing it.

Speaker 5 (38:41):
She was incredibly professional about the way she She.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Didn't leave, and she kept playing Caroline and she was
maw and she was Caroline Ingles and she didn't stop.
She might have said, I would rather it was this way,
and I want it to be more that way, and
I'll try to fight to get her character to do
this more than By god, she was still there. And
so there's that level of commun fuild. But you remember
also first year. Remember there's a whole thing you know,
Michael Lannon and Ed friendly when they started the show

(39:07):
and then they that all part of the ways like here,
so a lot happened between season one and season three,
really really did a lot happened between season And how did.

Speaker 4 (39:18):
That affect you, Alison? Like even that rift between the
ed Friendly and Michael Like, how what what was the
climate on set with the actors? Were you?

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Also? I mean that's things are getting around it. You
knew things were going on. And I think it was
different for me because I was raised in show business
with the show biz family and the dad was manager,
so I would hear it. They would talk about it
as my father go, well, that's going to get interesting.
So I knew these things were going on. I was

(39:46):
sheltered in some ways as twelve, but then completely not
sheltered in others because my father totally knew but would
talk about it go, you know, guess what's going on now?
And so I knew. But then I also knew that
this was a thing that happened all the time on
TV shows, that this was weirdly the price of doing

(40:07):
businesses was normal that you got on a series and
somebody somewhere was going to be in a fight about something.

Speaker 5 (40:12):
Yeah, I think I think we should talk about I
think we should take a little break.

Speaker 4 (40:16):
Yeah, we're going to take a break.

Speaker 5 (40:17):
Let's come back and talk about the themes that are
central to this episode. I think are really interesting that
carry through the entire series.

Speaker 4 (40:27):
Great, Okay, everybody, We're going to take a quick break.
We'll be right back.

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Speaker 4 (41:21):
And we're back, everybody. A beautiful time that we love
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it's us. We're we're recapping school.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Mom.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
I want to say that also that there's a scene
with Martin Pa before we start talking about themes. But
I just wanted to note there's a scene with mom
and Pa in bed and let the popcorns out, and
he puts the popcorn aside, and you know, he sort
of riles her up by saying on missiles in going
to be the teacher, and he knows he's going to

(42:02):
get her to go back because of that. And then
and he puts and he but he rolls over, he
goes to bed, and she's like, do you have any
more popcorn? And he hands with the bowl And this
was my one and only thought. You didn't finish the popcorn.

Speaker 6 (42:14):
Who doesn't finish a bull of popcorn? I can't be
with a bull of popcorn and not finish the entire bowl.
That is some tolerance right there, Right? Is it just me?

Speaker 4 (42:26):
I can't not finish an entire bowl of popcorn?

Speaker 5 (42:28):
Yeah? Yes, when we go to the movies, the bag
of popcorn done is empty.

Speaker 4 (42:33):
It is done. Even if you're full, you are eating
all of the popcorn. All right, Well that's my unimportant Yes,
that's my unimportant No, there are no unimportant comments. Well,
we'll see about that but anyway, but I.

Speaker 5 (42:49):
Think you're leading towards the serve of the important themes
that are central to this episode, and you're we've sort
of yes, you've touched on it right there with that
conversation self doubt and insecurity with Caroline. That's uh. And
there's a wonderful humility that comes from that, and it

(43:10):
gives opportunity for back and forth of being supportive and
loving with each other that I think, And of course
Caroline is uh, gets is driven to get past her
insecurity by missus Olsen, who threatens her by saying that
God well, and it's yeah, I mean, this is and

(43:32):
what's so important to note on this And Alison you are,
you're part of that too. You need that that antagonist
presence is so important in these situations and in Catherine
and Alison too.

Speaker 8 (43:50):
Wonderful antagonists increat And this episode is so about bullying
of missus Olsen being the adult bullying bullying Miss Beetle when.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
She him when she calls him dumb able to his face.
I couldn't even handle it, rewatch. I mean, I've seen
this episode obviously many many times, but rewatching it and
re remembering just how horrible, horrible she was to do
that to a child, a grown person, which is worse

(44:22):
than a kid doing it's.

Speaker 5 (44:25):
Of course, because you think someone would have learned some
discretion and some kindness and and of course Caroline responds
wonderfully with compassion and understanding that that which is really boom.
That's what the show is about that.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
It's interesting Lison was was going to teach, because you
know later she does teach and tries to teach everyone
a French.

Speaker 5 (44:50):
Is yeah, well, I guess on this did a wonderful
interview with years ago where she talked about the French
and how she knew, I mean, that's the actress doing this.
She knew I don't speak French, so she leaned into
this horrible French that she did and it was just

(45:13):
it was wonderful. Karen rather Catherine and Karen, but Catherine
had such wonderful.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
Instincts and of course we spoke more French than that.
She lived in France, in Paris for like eight months.
Bank yeah, she was. She was an artist model because
again something that she ever could Jathain McGregor hanging out
with Britian arts. So she did live in Paris, so
she spoke some French. She spoke French than she definitely

(45:44):
was better at French than that. But she went all
the way with the worst.

Speaker 5 (45:48):
Oh yeah, it was wonderful. I mean that was so
we're going to a different episode there, but but was
a wonderful antagonist.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
This is the first time someone besides Miss Beadle teachers
she can all the women to I am the only person,
the only woman in the show who never taught. Mary taught.

Speaker 5 (46:09):
For everybody.

Speaker 4 (46:10):
Probably right. Let me say something to you though. I
think Karen the Ma character always just when I think like, ugh,
this is so stereotypical, like what a woman, a feminine
woman is supposed to be. There's a submissive you know,
then we'll get a kernel of like, oh no, she's

(46:31):
she's got more power than that. But she's you know,
that character is always riding that line of like submissive
wife or you know, even like can't lose my temper,
and I'm like, girl, you should lose your temper, like
she's a horrible woman doing terrible things to you. It's okay,
you can lose your temper, right, But that's not demure,
that's not feminine, that's not what a submissive wife is

(46:53):
supposed to do or a woman. But then we get
wins right where she can stand in her power. But
it must have been as an actor, and especially knowing Karen,
who's a wildly feminist, outspoken strong woman, to get this
material and make it work for her in a way

(47:16):
that doesn't feel self sacrificing. Am I making myself giving?

Speaker 1 (47:22):
She was on this typewrope because on the one it's
nineteen seventy four. It's the height of like Gloria Steinem feminism. Look,
I mean, it's like, oh my god. And she is
absolutely part of that movement. And she is a strong woman.
And you have the fact that Caroline is a strong
woman and did even in the books and even Laurie
stuff stand up to Charles more than maybe in eighteen
seventies Chick did. But at the same time, it is

(47:44):
eighteen seventy four, and women did not talk back to
the men and folk of their husbands in the way
one would do now, right, not a thing. And Caroline
very much when you look at the books in history,
she often said to Lord Laura, Laura, don't do that.
Don't do that with ladies. Women do not do that,
And Caroline. The thing is like on the show, a

(48:05):
lot of the people of the book said people showed
so much emotion on the show, and Charles and Caroline
real life in the books all the public crying and
displays emotionally like ooh yeah, yeah. So she had to
walk this typeer between the real Caroline who was very
strong but would never show emotion in public and would
tell Lord, no, no, don't act like that, don't do this,

(48:26):
don't do that, and the fact that Caroline was strong
and she was this person who wanted to have the
character more like nineteen seventy four and the whole world
was exploding with women's rights moves. But at that moment,
so what a weird yes, what a mental space could
be in it was like schizophren.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
I would think it would be really and she's said,
I mean, and again, hats off to her because it
shows what a really incredible actor she is because she
she makes it work in a way that as a
woman the second and I start feeling as a woman
like ah, this is so submissive. Then then something happens
or it snaps out of that where you don't feel

(49:09):
like you're being down played.

Speaker 5 (49:14):
I think I think that Michael wrote her, you know,
even going back to something like Harvest of Friends in
the very beginning, when she was upset that Charles was
plowing on a Sunday, where she expressed herself very strongly
in that moment. I think that there were you know,

(49:36):
thinking others in other scenes where Charles was injured with
his you know, bare chest exposed. These are your favorite
moments in the series, Pamela.

Speaker 4 (49:44):
Not just millions of millions of fans around the world.

Speaker 5 (49:49):
And Karen, you know, and Caroline talks about the fact that,
you know, I need to do things here because I'm
the one who is able to do things right now,
and so I have to for the family. I think
that that Michael was touching on perhaps some more contemporary

(50:09):
values or the value shift in those moments. But see,
I think what Karen did so beautifully was that she
did underneath that demuror suite. But there was such strength
always in her. Yeah, great posture.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
She she she just was.

Speaker 5 (50:29):
She was a strong woman, but a woman who was restrained.
She was, Yeah, And I think that's so much of
what people saw in her and loved about that portrayal.
There's a reason why Karen was has been named for
years as one of the all time great mothers in

(50:50):
television history. Yeah's she just radiated it. It was it
was wonderful.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
The classroom scene with the bat cat dog, you know,
love that. I was sobbing. I just believe how hard
I was crying. It really took me by surprise. I
know this episode, and yet that's comes the music music.
It's it's also how sweet he is. He's in this episode.

Speaker 5 (51:18):
Absolutely absolutely, but it's I found I totally agree with you,
I definite. I know tears came out, but I.

Speaker 4 (51:27):
Because you're a man, but a man, I felt.

Speaker 5 (51:32):
That wing moving because it was so sweet and it
was sweet. Yeah, it was really wonderful and David Rose
again always filling those moments with the emotional color that
it needs. He takes us right there. He's telling us

(51:55):
how we need to be feeling at that moment, and
I think that's a beautiful full scene and that the
kids after Caroline has the talk with all the children
telling them we are going to do this together, We're
going to help, and then we see the teachers too.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Yes, yeah, I think turning around the bullying where they
had done that mob think bullying and now as a group.
They're helping. It's and Durka. Blocker has had a fine career.
Tell us he has been in after I'm looking to
see if that episode was in that. I mean he
got he was in Poltergeist. It was that literally the
first thing he ever did. No, he was an episode

(52:35):
of Marcus Well Be Empty before he was seventeen. It
was like five minutes before to it and then boom,
little house in the break and after that his imdba
just explodes. And he's on Lucas Tanner and Phyllis and
Absolutely and bob Ba, Black Sheep and Gipsy's on everything.
He's on everything.

Speaker 5 (52:52):
My wife Catherine did Black Sheep Squadron and remember Blocker.

Speaker 4 (52:57):
Oh really yeah, oh funny you name it.

Speaker 5 (52:59):
He in it.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
And in the current recent world of course. Uh he's
mister Hitchcock on Brooklyn nine nine and uh he's a
doogie kimaalaha m d. And he's been in He's in everything.
This man works like a fiend and is absolutely brilliant.
And it was all there in Loverly his second time

(53:23):
on TV, on Littless, No.

Speaker 4 (53:24):
It was all there. He's so good in this and
other themes that we want to quickly talk before we
have to.

Speaker 5 (53:31):
Wrap things about the value of education, right, you know
this is I love the scene where Caroline goes to
see the go to see, goes to see him, and
his father says.

Speaker 4 (53:42):
Yes, savvy and he's a and he's a brickmaker's why
would he need that other education? They have an industry.

Speaker 5 (53:50):
Yees that his son has savvy and you know, and
Caroline adds so nicely, it's you know, wouldn't think how
much better he'd be adding savvy to reading, writing and
figuring or being able to add those three things to
all of his savvy. And I think that's just that
it's such a it's such a great idea. And then

(54:11):
of course Caroline convinces him to come back. I guess
that's a later scene where she quit. He quits, you
can't quit. You're a great teacher, you're a smart student.
They do that, Michael does hacked a lot that kind
of construction in the scene where they convince each other and.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
The connection the two of them had two very sweet
and he's ables and artist. He also when he's not
making bricks, he's he's.

Speaker 5 (54:41):
Making and the bird the clay bird.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
Yeah, love the big tough man is making the little, tiny, delicate,
beautiful things out of clay, this gentle full and she
sees that. It's like, wait, he's a genius. He's making it.
Oh my god, you're not dumb. The guy's an artis.
He's freaking genius. And you can read he can run
the whole brick company. What is happening to because he's
a bird. Yeah, and so that they're a whole gentle,

(55:07):
giant things, really brilliant.

Speaker 5 (55:09):
Actually, compassion and patience, you know, Caroline gently convincing him
that he can do this and his you know, for
it's for the younger, for that young man at seventeen,

(55:29):
nineteen twenty seven, whatever age he was, but.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
To play that forty four years old.

Speaker 5 (55:39):
What's wonderful for everybody to see is he was able
to put aside his pride, his the fear of being embarrassed.

Speaker 4 (55:51):
Yeah, because I wouldn't want to be in that class either,
and allow.

Speaker 5 (55:54):
Himself to Yeah. And that's such an important thing for
people to see, is that it's okay to to surrender
to something and put your best self forward into it,
to give it your and everyone was there for him,
you know, we wish it could be that way always.

(56:15):
And we've seen what we saw. The episode allow us
allowed us to see both sides of that. We saw
the derision and we see the support. And so everybody,
you know, as panel as you put it out the
you know, these horrible children they come around.

Speaker 4 (56:30):
You know, in I want to say it's Denmark. I
could be wrong about this, but it is a part
of their curriculum in their schools, from kindergarten through high school,
that they learn about empathy. It's part of what they
learn in school. And I just wish that we had

(56:51):
some kind of semblance of that, you know, because it
and it I mean, we just had this talk last
night with my six year old, who also watched this
episode and loved it. But we were talking to her
about about empathy because we were worried that she was
going to talk about her birthday in class and that

(57:12):
other kids might feel upset if they weren't invited to,
you know, got to ice cream with us or whatever,
and she kind of didn't, and we had to really
explain what empathy actually meant and put yourself in someone
else's shoes and think about how another person might feel,
and YadA YadA and I you know, think how wonderful

(57:32):
that would be if we were all sort of taught
that starting from a young age. It's important. It's not
necessarily automatically learned. It's something you have to teach.

Speaker 5 (57:43):
Taught, it is taught. That's very parental.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
I have a cuckoo just found out true fact about
the brilliant, beautiful Dirk Blocker. An article published by NBC
unknown date Blocker. I'm I'm gonna start crying reading. I'm
gonna start crying reading. Blocker went back to school as
an adult to earn his Bachelor's of Arts degree so
he could teach grades K through twelve, and in twenty

(58:14):
seventeen he published a book he'd written called Master in
the Little Monk, about a lonely young boy is befriended
by a unique ally and master.

Speaker 4 (58:24):
Oh nice, oh abel.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
I think this episode influenced him, maybe just a tiny bit.

Speaker 5 (58:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, as we're as we're racing
for the exit, just there's a little summary of yeah.
This episode so overall, school Mom is a thoughtful episode
that delves into the complexity of complexities of self worth,
the transformative power of education, and the profound impact of

(58:56):
empathy what you're talking about right now. It remains a
stand out example of Little House on the Prairie's ability
to address real world issues in its historical setting. It's
a very touching, wonderful episode, and you know, kudos to
all involved, Karen's wonderful performance, Drug Blocker's wonderful performance, a

(59:21):
wonderful script by Ward Hawkins, and Bill Claxton directing in
his very sort of you know at a distance, Bill, Oh,
you never saw this, Pamela, but Allison and I just
remember Bill standing. He sort of had this sort of
aw shucks quality about him, and his hands were in
his pockets and he's sort of looking down at the ground,

(59:43):
sort of shuffling his feet as he's explaining what he
wants to do. But there was just such an innate
sweetness about this man and such a capable, wonderful director,
and it shows in this episode. School Mom.

Speaker 4 (01:00:00):
Well, we'll be comparing this one and Blant next, for
the love of Blant. No, just kidding, we're not doing that.
How to go from here to the season one? It
just keeps getting better and better. I love it. No,
it's a door, It's this is truly I'm so I
was so happy we chose this episode because it was

(01:00:21):
so lovely revisiting it it truly was. Yeah, it just
this is a test also the simplicity of it, right,
like this is not complicated, the simplicity of it, but
it just still endures. It's still it's still current.

Speaker 5 (01:00:36):
The simplicity of so many Little House stories is why
they continue to survive. There's an honesty about them, and
it's a reflection on We are able to reflect on
ourselves watching these episodes, and this is one of those
that does that really well. Take us to the exit.

Speaker 4 (01:00:54):
Here we go, everybody, thank you for being with us
here today. We'll see you next time. Please join us
on Little House fifty pod cast or Littlehats fifty podcast
dot com if you want to know what's going on.
You guys will be putting up then soon. I suppose
is there a Facebook page for the new stuff?

Speaker 5 (01:01:11):
I think there is there is, and there's an Instagram
page and there will be details about about things popping onto.

Speaker 4 (01:01:19):
That great and I'll make sure I include those in
the show notes and we'll see you next time. Bob
go get the wait. Wow, I know I have to
do that again. And that was a bad one. Bob,
go get the wig. The wig, not the whim, Not
the wig.

Speaker 5 (01:01:35):
Bob, get the wig.

Speaker 4 (01:01:36):
Bob, get the wig. For God's sake, let's fly already.
I's up the tagline, Dear Lord.

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