March 28, 2025 • 51 mins
Alison is still living the French dream, while Dean teases us with hints of another thrilling Little House event. Meanwhile, Pamela cozies up with her puppy as we dive into this week’s recap of “The Collection”—an episode featuring two of the biggest stars of the era, Johnny Cash and June Carter Cash.
This is, without a doubt, the juiciest episode of the podcast we've ever recorded! We reveal never-before-heard details about what was happening behind the scenes, including the real reason Melissa Gilbert wasn’t in this episode. And yes, we even get confirmation straight from Melissa herself during a live text session! You’ll also find out why Pamela has an unexpectedly deep knowledge of the Carter-Cash family and what led Johnny and June to guest star on Little House. She also discusses “the two faces of Mary”—because yeah, Melissa Sue Anderson will serve some hardcore wrath at the drop of a hat! Johnny and June deliver stellar performances in this powerful episode, but we still stand by the golden rule: Never get on a horse with a perfect stranger!
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This is, without a doubt, the juiciest episode of the podcast we've ever recorded! We reveal never-before-heard details about what was happening behind the scenes, including the real reason Melissa Gilbert wasn’t in this episode. And yes, we even get confirmation straight from Melissa herself during a live text session! You’ll also find out why Pamela has an unexpectedly deep knowledge of the Carter-Cash family and what led Johnny and June to guest star on Little House. She also discusses “the two faces of Mary”—because yeah, Melissa Sue Anderson will serve some hardcore wrath at the drop of a hat! Johnny and June deliver stellar performances in this powerful episode, but we still stand by the golden rule: Never get on a horse with a perfect stranger!
Then join Pamela, Dean and Alison on Patreon! New episodes every week!
Don’t forget to subscribe, comment, leave a review, and share this episode with fellow Bonnetheads.
Links and Resources:Haven’t signed up for Patreon yet? Link is below!PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/LittleHousePodcast
www.LittleHouse50Podcast.com to connect with our hosts and link to their websites.*The merch shop is under renovation - we will keep you posted on the status!*
www.LivinOnaPrairieTV.com Check out the award-winning series created by Pamela Bob, with special guest stars Alison Arngrim and Charlotte Stewart.
Prairie Legacy Productions - the place to go for info about all new Little House events!
LITTLE HOUSE ON THE PRAIRIE CAST REUNION Columbia State Historic Park in California’s Gold Country!June 6–8, 2025Secure your tickets now through TIXR athttps://plp.tixr.com/little-house-gold-country
To learn more about Little House on the Prairie, Visit www.littlehouseontheprairie.com
Little House 50th Anniversary Bus Tours - www.SimiValleyChamber.org select Little House 50th Anniversary and then Bus Tickets
Facebook/Instagram/TikTok:Dean Butler @officialdeanbutlerAlison Arngrim @alisonarngrimPamela Bob @thepamelabob, @prairietv
Social Media Team: Joy Correa and Christine Nunez
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Speaker 4 (02:31):
You're back. Hello, Welcome on it ends. Isn't a surprise
that they're back? No, it's not I'm just very grateful
that you're back. They're all laughing at me anyway. Hello everybody,
this is Pamela Bob. I'm your host, creator of Living
on the Prairie. I am here, of course, with your
beloved Prairie Bitch or prairiebiyonce, whichever you prefer. That's right,
(02:53):
Alison Arngrom the Face of Eagle. I am also here
with our hashtag imaginary Bullet Brandean Butler.
Speaker 6 (03:00):
Are you guys a good Alison? How goes the tour?
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Absolutely exhausting, Like I'm trying to not put myself in
the damn hospital. I'm but I have I have a
couple of days off, so that's why I'm like, I'm
a chillen. I'm a chillen and I went out to
dinner last night, chilled out, went to the store today
doing this relaxing, relaxing. Our mouse is back. The mouse
is back. But other than that, we're fine.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Is it the mouse or the same the same mouse.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
We caught banar the boy mouse. Yes, his girlfriend Bianca,
because of course, was initially kept her at one point
and returned and her owner dropped her. And yes, my
friend and I did have a conversation in French about
(03:50):
people who maybe shouldn't be having pets.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I don't know. Or the fastest mice in all of France.
I don't know what the deal is with these mice.
And why of the twenty one apart went to this
building more they only come here.
Speaker 6 (04:03):
Yeah, well there must be food. Mean mice come to food, well, well.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Food, and and and my friend here is a little
like snow white like animals are attractive to him. I
said to you, with you, with you? The mice got the.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Energy? Also, why do they keep running away? Something's going
on in that apartment? Are we worried about the mice?
Are we worried about them?
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Just take the mice, Just take the mice and keep
them here.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
They know a parent. I don't. Yeah, maybe we should
be about the mice.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I'm not scared of mice. They're very clean, darling little mice.
And luckily I am not afraid of mice. Otherwise you're
never gonna anger.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
Yeah, are you drinking?
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Please tell me you're drinking wine right now?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
No, I'm drinking darn it.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Okay, it's let's see, we're recording. It's twelve Eastern time.
So is it five or six?
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Just after Fox?
Speaker 6 (05:02):
Okay, so it's a little early for wine, but no.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
It's never.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I could totally go score a drink.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
And also what else, you guys, there's some exciting announcements,
are there not?
Speaker 6 (05:16):
So yes, our Prairie Legacy Productions Group, which of which
Allison and I are the co managers, announced our first
event for twenty twenty five, the Little House in the
Prairie cast Reunion in gold Rush Country. So this is
really going to be This is going to be a
fun event in a beautiful, beautiful location June sixth through eight,
(05:40):
twenty twenty five. So Alis, I know there's a big,
long press release, but maybe maybe you could pull out
the most salient points and share that much.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
There is so much because we are doing it's a
freaking huge This is fantastic. So yes, we're going up
you know, you know where we shot things like the
camp out and we're Laura away and climbed a mountain
and Ernest borgnight.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Oh, it's up there.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
It's in the gorge gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous area. So it's
up there. It's in Columbia State Historic Park to be exact,
and yes, as they're saying, the sight of someone please
love me, the sweet sixteen and the in laws, et cetera,
et cetera, et cetera. It's gorgeous. Now who's going? Oh,
look who's going? Everybody? I'm good. I learn that Dean
Butler's going. Charlotte. Yeah, baby carried baby, Cary both baby
(06:27):
carried Rachel Robin Green.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
That's actually very unusual. Yeah, that the carrys are going.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
On from Robin this morning. That look, there's not a
hard commitment, but she very much wants to come and
and Rachel has committed. I think they're both going to
be there.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
So baby very great. Yeah, yeah, they both work. They work,
They are are hard working people, and they have to
work on the schedule. But it looks like we need it's
a big deal. And then we we indeed have Andy Garvey,
Patrick Laffert who we.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Love them, Kitty Kitty Leicester. I believe she's going. That's amazing, Yes.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yester, a mere slip of a thing. What is she
ninety two? I can't even keep track anymore.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
Yes, she's amazing, absolutely gorgeous too. She's still stunningly beautiful.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
It's speaking of stunningly beautiful Pam roy Lance as always
gorgeous is coming, so David Friedman, So yes, it's a
Carter family. Were you there?
Speaker 6 (07:20):
You go?
Speaker 1 (07:21):
And yes, we got Wendy Lully, our baby Grace, Jennifer
naughty baby Rose, and then we have Jennifer, Michelle, Steffan
toddler Rose. So we have it looks like we have
an all baby carry all baby rows happening things. It's
an all baby weekend. Come on down, Oh my gosh, it's.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
If people want to check it out, they can check
it out at little Housegoldcountry dot com. That is the
event website, and that has links to our tiicser, our
tixer platform where people can buy tickets, and tickets have
been tickets have been selling actually very nicely. Last well
we announced it. See we're so we're a little bit
(08:01):
ahead here, so by the time people see this, it'll
almost be time for the event. Anyway, tickets are selling nicely,
and I hope you'll and we're look check out social media.
We're promoting this like crazy.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
I can tell you right now, people here in France
have already bought tickets. There are people here in France
who have already bought tickets, and my one friend said, well,
I bought my ticket, but I was going to get
VIP pass all three days, but via bait, dad has
passed all three days is sold out, so I bought
regular three days, and then I bought.
Speaker 6 (08:31):
It's always the first to go. Yeah, always.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
And there's a dinner and was it two dinners at breakfast?
Speaker 6 (08:37):
It's actually one dinner and two breakfast, one dinner breakfast.
We are zeroing in on a wine train ride on
the famous Sierra three railroad there, which was featured in
all of Little House episodes, the beautiful.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Steam in beautiful Train.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
Uh now, we haven't announced that yet, but we think
that is absolutely and that will be a huge thing for.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Famous hardest working training show business. The number three, it's
and everything.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
It's in everything. I wish I could be there darning.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
I know. I wish you could be too.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
I know, I know I'll.
Speaker 6 (09:18):
So we need to we need.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
To do this, Okay, all right. Everything will be in
the show notes to you guys, so if if you
need all the information, it will be down there. Okay, listen,
we have an episode today that we'recapping all about self discovery,
that's right, featuring two of Little Houses all time biggest
(09:41):
guest stars. I kept watching this episode like how did
they get these guys? And I actually know how, so
i'll tell you in a minute. But first produced in
the studios of ubn GO in Burbank, California. This is
The Little House fiftieth Anniversary Podcast, Season two recap.
Speaker 7 (09:56):
Yeah, okay, Dean, I will give you the honors.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
What episode are we talking about today?
Speaker 6 (10:19):
Yeah, so today we're talking about season three's premiere episode.
This is the Collection featuring Johnny Cash and June Carter insane. Yeah, no,
really wonderful. Just to quick aside, Prairie Legacy Productions is
looking at an event at Johnny Cash's hideaway farm for
(10:39):
this October. We were supposed to be their last October,
but events prevented it. We are actually looking at really
being there this October, so stay tuned about that. Okay.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
Yes.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
The Collection premiered Monday, September twenty seventh, nineteen seventy six,
a late premiere for that era. Late in September, I
mean season's television seasons were generally mean. The original series
premiered on September eleventh. I don't know. There may have
been some strike that year.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Wait, so this was the first episode.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
This was the season premiere of season three.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Oh wow. I know what's unusual about that is that
the Ingles are barely in it. I mean, Melissa Gilbert
is not in this episode.
Speaker 6 (11:27):
Let me give you a little more detailed Okay, yeah.
The special episode written by Arthur Heineman and directed by
Michael Landon. Michael directed always directed the season premiers.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
And he was not going to not direct Johnny Cash
and had a.
Speaker 6 (11:42):
Nice guest cast in this one. Ted Garrig is Ebenezer
Sprague making a quick appearance Hope Summers. Now I'm not
familiar with Hope Summers, but Catherine, when she saw Hope
Summers in this and watched her briefly in the scenes
as Addie Bjornson, thought loves Hopes so interesting. Queenie Smith
is Amanda Whipple, uh Allison.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
The Inamos Napsis is.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Favorite part of the podcast.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
It's very after rescuing a seriously ill and unconscious referend
Alton in his runaway wagon. Down on his left cleansman
Cale Hodge because what's on Reverend Olden's collar, A devises
a plan to fleece the generous townspeople, walnut growth. I
don't think plainsman's the right word. I think professional con
artist or babling man, transplin man, as he admitted to openly. Yes,
(12:37):
guy's like, seriously, Reverendlden has fallen into the wrong hands.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Say is that for June Carter she's okay, yes, clinging
to decency.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
Yes in this in this episode, yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
She's very like battered woman's syndrome, knows her husband's no good,
can't bring herself to break away.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
Yeah, yeah, you know. And it occurred to me as
I started watching this and I had never seen.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
I was going to ask you if you would want
if you had seen this episode before. I love that
Deana's watching these for the first time.
Speaker 6 (13:13):
This is exciting, so I know, and I'm enjoying it too.
I loved this for him because this was a This
was a situation for him that lined up so beautifully
with his public image.
Speaker 8 (13:29):
Absolutely sort of this spiritual outlaw guy who plays against
the grain of society, writes music for.
Speaker 6 (13:41):
The underdog, for the downtrodden. This was a perfect piece
of casting for I'd be fascinated to know that. And
I'm sorry we can't tell you the story somebody may know,
and we don't have them here with us today, unless Pamela, you,
by some mysterious fluke know how this this casting came
to be. But it's great. Well, I am wonderful cast.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Well, I will say I know a seriously dumb amount
about the the Carter family and Johnny because I actually
I was in two shows. One was about the original
Carter family, which is June Carter's mother and aunt and
uncle who were the first people to ever the Carter right,
(14:25):
and they were the first people that ever recorded all
of this folk Americana music recorded it, got it recorded,
and they are the founders of the current folk music,
country music. All of even finger picking was Maybelle Carter,
That's what she did so. And then of course their
(14:47):
offspring June Carter, there was Anita and another daughter. Now,
the funny thing is is that June Carter was the
daughter without talent quote unquote. The other daughters were gorgeous singers,
beautiful music and singers. In fact, if you look up
Ring of Fire, which Johnny Cash took from the Carter family,
(15:08):
but the original version of Ring of Fire is Anita
Carter and an acoustic guitar and it is glorious, It
is beautiful, beautiful, and then Johnny Cash was like, let's
put some mariachi music on this, which is weird, but anyway,
it's totally weird song.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
No no I made that song.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Yeah, and he did. He sort of massacred it and
that became a huge hit. Anyway, that's a sideplot. June
Carter was the sister though, who could not sing, but
she was the one that had all the charisma all
she was hilarious, she knew how to, she knew, she
had total control of an audience. She had so much
(15:49):
charisma that she became the huge star out of that family,
which was to everyone's surprise.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Nan Trell's sisters had a show, Arleen. They went Dad's
really sing like like the others, and they discovered she
was a comedian, that she was right right Mandrel. Things
happened so like, yes, there's always the sister where it's like, yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
The one sister, June becomes this huge star. June is
way bigger star than Johnny Cash. And when Johnny and
her way bigger, way bigger. Yes, And when they got together,
June actually purposefully pulled it back so that Johnny Star
could ascend, but June was the real star, and she
(16:33):
she let the husband take center stage, which, you know,
say what you will about it, it is what it is.
But I find it also very interesting that in this
episode she also plays sort of the wife in the background,
and she has a beautiful part and she does it beautifully.
But knowing what a star June Carter actually was makes
(16:54):
you go, oh, she's she's a wife.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Getting performance because she knows there's both, and she begs him,
don't do this, please, don't do this. Not a reverend.
We're living but this is too much.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
And they are almoth like may Good.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
And she's the kind of like Stockholm syndrome. Maybe yeah,
and you know, yeah, it's it's rough. It's rough. It's
easy now I do know.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
And then also I portrayed June Carter in another show
about June Carter. So I have a lot, and I've
been to their homes. I I know their family. In fact,
I have not been to Hideaway Farm, but I have
been several times to the Carter Fold, which is in
the middle of Poor Valley, which is in that try
(17:41):
area of Tennessee, Virginia and North Carolina. Right, boo boo,
boo boom, and it's in the middle of nowhere and
it's sort of this indoor amphitheater. The the seats are
made out of logs and uh seats from buses that
were taken out with like carpeting over them. There's live music, ever,
(18:02):
the best bluegrass music you will ever hear in the country.
Every weekend they perform there. It's like a badge of
honor to perform in this place. The rules are no
electronic music, no cussing.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
The microphones, yes.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
But no, you know, all pure bluegrass. People get on
their clogs and they clog all night long. It is glorious.
Johnny Cash performed there hundreds of times. I performed there
on that stage, which is amazing. And anyway, so I
just know a stupid amount about the family. In fact,
(18:38):
fun fact, the show that I just closed, the one
here that I just closed, the choreographer is their cousin
is the Carter cousin. So we were talking. So she
was floored when I said I've been there, and she
was like, no one knows about that place. And I
was like, well, I've been there. So very weird connections
to this family, very very very odd. Anyway, the point
(18:59):
being I did get some insider information many many years
ago when I was working down there in Appalachia because
they I was told, I don't even know how this.
Maybe I brought up a little house on the prairie.
I have no idea how I know this. Yeah, maybe
there's a slight possibility I brought up a little ass
on the prairie. They told me that the reason why
(19:21):
June and Johnny did this show was because it was
their daughter's favorite show of all time. And so, but
I don't know whether they contacted like Michael Landon, were like, Hey,
we want to be on your show, and so they
wrote this episode for them. It kind of feels that
way because the episode is so perfectly written for who
(19:44):
Johnny Cash especially well and June. That's sort of what
their real life sort of parallels are to this. So
I have a feeling that that's what ended up happening,
that they somehow got in contact with either Michael Lennon
or someone and said we love the show and we'd
love to be a part of it. That is pure speculation.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
It totally makes sense given a season premiere that you
mentioned a few moments ago that the Ingles are hardly
in it.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Melissa gilberts like a group anyone there went on here
that she's not there? Was she sick?
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Was her contract dispute? It's a third I don't because
it's literally there's a scene in church where it's the
back of her head and it's like her and adult
marry you, Okay, she's not there, and then every time
they pan to marry it's just Mary, or there's someone
standing in front of where she would be. And there's
one clip one one where that you pull back in
the church and you see Melissa Gilbert. I know, literally
(20:43):
it's and she never speaks.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
She is not usual.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
And in most of the pans of the church they
do not show that side of the church, or there's
someone standing there and there's no one sitting in that
put next Mary.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
I mean maybe Johnny and June were like, we love Mary,
and so they're like, great, will write it with Mary,
Like I don't know, it could have been that. It
could have been that they love Mary.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Big cynec here season three, Season three, that's when things
started really kicking in. Now, y'all know all of us
children got very low wages when we started because who
knew who knew, like I said, my father, who knew
it would be big, and Melissa Gilbert was not well,
nobody was a star except Michael Landon. Melissa Gilbert was
not a star. She was a child actor who worked
at a lot of commercial TV show which wasn't well, let's
(21:26):
say she wasn't Melissa Gilbert yet, just like on the Wolf,
since Michael Lerner wasn't Michael Learner yet, there was that
lady they hired. Nobody knew any Will Gear was the
famous guy and the waft. That's like, I know who
these people were, so people didn't sign on for a lot,
and I know that a lot of the star children
had what were like children's agents who signed them for
a normal fee, not knowing this was gonna go anywhere. Okay,
(21:49):
my agent was kind of like blah blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah and told me like way too much.
But yes, obviously a couple of years in, everybody's agents
called a way whoa whoa whoa whoa. Hi, Wait, we're
getting paid how much now? And obviously everybody got paid
a whole heck of a lot more right away. And
I got like more by the third year. But was
(22:10):
this since there was there a contracts foot, since it's
the first one and as you said, it aired late,
did she say maybe I'm not coming back, maybe your
agency she's not coming back during hiatus and they were
still all the way and that's why, like it didn't
air on September tenth.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
Interesting. Interesting, well, Allison, since you were definitely a part
of that whole dynamic with if anyone would know if
there was a series of contract challenges at that point,
you would know that.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I know there was a point where there was at
one point, and I don't know if it was third year.
If it was third year, this would make all the
sense in the world. It obviously got settled, but I
didn't know if I thought, I thought maybe it was
fourth but then I would have been like, on, how
old was the sac day? But third year makes sense?
First year, haha, let it slide. Second year, whoa, Hey,
what is happening here? Third year? Oh? Hell no, she's
playing Laura Ingles Wilder or someone needs to pay her
(23:05):
an appropriate sum of money. And I do remember that
when we were all first signed. I can honestly tell
you neither Melissa Gilbert nor Melissa suannas were being paid
what they were worth. I know that because my agent
had a big map. They all talked to you.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
I love that she knows this entire stuff.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
They took that work. When I I remember and even
a couple of years in when Melissa was getting paid
more even though we're kids, we had a conversation and yes,
she was getting more than I was and getting really
okay amount of money and I was by then getting
okay amount of money. She told me what she was
getting and I said, are you kidding me? Because she
was in Laura Ingles Wilder. I said, you're Melissa Gilvert.
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Laura's why I should be getting three times that? Are
you crazy? She goes, yeah, that's pretty much that what's
going to be happening at the meeting with the lawyers. Okay,
gotcha good?
Speaker 6 (23:49):
I do not, but I'm gonna say I don't know
at what point in that in her run that she
signed with Ray.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Katz, who was Ray Cat's an agent, huge manager.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Because she was with a regular kid agent doing commercials
up until she got Little Houses in the whole world.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
Change everything would have changed. Yeah, yeah, every Ray Katz
would have turned that ship.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
So end of second year and you go into hiatus,
they say you come in and she call says maybe
she's not coming back for the third year. That would
there be time. This was the first thing they shot
and it was stalled, leading to that she's just not
in that one. And then I don't know, like what's
the second one? Did they do something with the guys?
Speaker 6 (24:34):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (24:36):
I know I should be What time is it? Should
I text her?
Speaker 4 (24:39):
I know, text text? It's only twelve Eastern time doing
real time?
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Okay, yeah, what's the worst happened?
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Wait?
Speaker 6 (24:54):
This is just the most dishy episode that we've ever done, because.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
But die and if it happened, then that would sure
explain the like bizarrow absence of Laura. So I wasn't
in that episode. So that's why watching it now, you know, once,
I'm going, whoa wait, Okay, I remember what the heck?
Speaker 6 (25:16):
Where were you you? And weren't there either? Were you?
I mean were you there? You were? You were there?
But you did you had nothing to say in the episode.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Now I'm going to try to do this. Am I
still here? Am I still here? I'm still here?
Speaker 6 (25:28):
You are?
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Because the texting thing? Oh here it is because I
was just texting her oddly this morning about things that
were happening on Facebook, and she was going, Yay, that's wonderful.
Basically just one of those things. She's very happy. But
everything's going on.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
You know, you know what's going on.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
Okay, are we talking about our former promoter?
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Yes, that's what I'm talking about, and that things.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Are resolving in a positive way. Wow, saying so, I'm
saying question of the day.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
She's texting her, I love it so much.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
Sure, what are you saying? Yes? Were you in a
contract dispute at the beginning of season.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Three and the Johnny Cash question of the day, Why
weren't you? Why weren't you in the Johnny Cash episode?
And I'm going to say contract stuff, question mark, and
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she will she may answer me. She may just say
I'm busy, or she may write back and go, no, no,
that was remember that was the weekend the thing and
I broke my arm or head the flu or may
go oh yeah, you remember that was the thing and
it dragged effort. But we'll see what we can find it.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
We'll see.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
What was going on.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
I read she remember, I mean Johnny Cash. You don't
forget when Johnny Cash and June Carter staring your show.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
A reactor on the show got to raise at some point,
all the child actors started very low amounts of money
because we were children. Nobody knewhere, and obviously, just like
on the Walton's where you know, Ralph Waite and Michael
were not famous. As it wore on, everybody did eventually
get raisist, but absolutely at various points there were kind
of push comes to shove agents arguing with people. Was
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this then, I don't, I don't know, I don't know
the time, was it behind the scene Hollywood TMZ craziness.
I don't know, I don't know, but I'm just saying
she's not there. But I wasn't. I just wasn't there.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Were you even in the church thinge at the were
you in the church scene at the end?
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I am not in that episode.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
I did not get to me. You had no contact
with them.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Absolutely jealous. I have said this for one of the
few episodes that I am mad I'm not in church.
I didn't get no because I had so many episodes
and they went, you know, offica, we don't need you
the next year, in next week.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Kept that's true, missus, missus Wibble blame it on missus Wibble.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
Was in the church third year.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Third year, that's like Bunny and everything. They're like, y'all
got plenty to do. Y'all got plenty to do. You
don't need to be in the Johnny plenty to do
this year. Dere you're fine.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Actually, I actually wrote in my notes, no Laura in
this episode, But the next episode is Bunny, So maybe
they were just sort of saving the Laura stuff for
the next episode.
Speaker 6 (28:24):
I'm doing, you know. There could also there could also
have been some pushback total speculation. Here could have been
some concern from Melissa Sue Anderson's camp that she wasn't
getting enough enough and yet so some of the highest
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rated episodes in the series history, probably much to Melissa's chagrin,
really feature Melissa Sue Anderson.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Yeah, they're right.
Speaker 6 (28:57):
She was a and I think Michael Michael loved Melissa
Gilbert as a young actress, and I think he also
loved Melissa su such different human.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Beings in this episode kill and there is a moment
where you see the famous death stare that she is
capable of.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
All right, let's talk about this for a second, because okay, okay,
we're gonna take a quick break, but then we're going
to talk about the two faces of Mary. She has
two sides to Mary. Okay, we'll talk about that next
when we come back.
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Speaker 4 (30:27):
Okay, we were we were going to talk. Okay, we
got the riveting information that yes, it was a contract dispute.
Thank you Allison, Thank you Melissa Gilbert.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
Let's talk magic of the Internet.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Yes exactly. It's like just text technology.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Yeah, I'm going.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Okay, I do want to talk about because we left
with the two sides of Mary. Okay, this is my
favorite thing about Mary Kringles ever, great Mary as she
goes from sweet American apple pie darling. But when she
turns bitch, watch out because there is no one, no
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one that will cut you more like Mary Ingles when
she has turned on you the death stair, the like
she turns into a completely and there is no in between.
There's no middle grown, it's not it's it's either one
or the other. We see it with the handyman. We
see it with a few we see it a few times.
(31:29):
I mean, this is a consistent thing. When Mary turns,
it's like it's all that repression, repression coming.
Speaker 6 (31:36):
Out ethical purity, you know.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Uh huh.
Speaker 6 (31:40):
So there's no yeah, there's no gray, no, no.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
I call it the righteous wrath of Mary Ingles. And
she does because she phones going. She's been also she's been.
This episode also was very weird. Okay, first of all,
the let's get on a horse with the strange man straight,
I wrote that down too.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Not only that, not only that she gives him her
address and her full name.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
I know but it is.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
There are sometimes where I'm sorry that we're watching it
from a current or because it ruins it. Because I
literally that is the first thing I wrote in my notes,
like what she means strange bas car car, She got
in the car with the stranger with candy.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Now truth be told. And this is the other reason
I go because the real Ingles, if you read the books,
if you read Prairie Girl, Oh no, no, no, no,
Laura and Mary did not go around jumping on horses
and jumping awakens with strange man Mall Ingles would have
had fourteen fits if you read the books, when they're
out by the railroad and Ma is going, especially.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
When the first thing he says to her is about
how pretty she is. I mean, it's just like, don't
get in a car. He started a.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Little sleazy, there's creepy. Ma would have had a fit,
would have said, this's the guy. Because in real life
the Ingles absolutely they knew better. And Ma talks about
don't you go near the railroad camp. I don't want
to talk to the railroad man. In frequently it's like
those are strange men. Do not talk to strange men.
Of course they were allowed to talk to a strange
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man in the eighteen huns is hello, Hi, So no
she would in real life, No, Marry Engles would not have.
Speaker 6 (33:28):
Gone on that horse.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
But okay, then she becomes his co conspirator and a
couple of times I'm a little shocked. Mary acts like
she's done this before.
Speaker 6 (33:37):
Like she's a car says, she says, and around the table, Pap,
can I go into town with mister Hodgkiss. I can
introduce him to everybody and let him know who's stingy
and who's generally.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
What is that?
Speaker 4 (33:49):
What is yeah?
Speaker 3 (33:50):
And then she.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Starts like she starts when the banker in the banker's face,
well it's things, there's nothing going well because then you
can't get more. I'm like, what child is talking back
to an adult and saying stuff like that to the
bank of eighteen hundreds. I'm like, no, no, no, no.
And then she lies bold face to missus Olsen, Yeah,
we could do the rent the thing and you know
everyone can, and starts like spinning these and going okay,
(34:16):
that's adorable. That is like full on con artist rad Yes,
car singles bs and she's a little girl and when
did this happen? She was the good one. She's going,
have I got a deal for you?
Speaker 8 (34:26):
What is what?
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Who did she turn into?
Speaker 4 (34:28):
That's why I'm curious. Don't you think that that would
have been a Laura part originally and that they couldn't
do more spiny?
Speaker 1 (34:36):
But maybe this is it the character wized. Okay, maybe
she believes this guy she's gonna help the poor, so
she's throwing away all of her ethics to go, I'm
gonna do and then when she's.
Speaker 6 (34:50):
That's the whole journey to self discovery that's going on.
I mean, Nels has some wonderful seat where he gives
the lot by no she is it's like inviting him
to steal from them and I don't.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Know, Yeah, don't tell Harry. Well, that's why Mary goes
full death stare because when she her watch and she
turns around and goes mm hmmm, and it's come out
of you and she's going to kill him, And I'm like, oh,
there it is.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
There is equally taking the hearings off, ripping the nails off,
getting ready.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
For the fight.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
Fascinating. What's fascinating about this episode, I think is that
the thing that I saw in this as I watched
it is. The audience is fully aware of who this
guy is. Yes, and the writing of the episode is
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leading you into or leading him to have to consider
who he is because everyone trusts him, everyone believes in him,
everyone thinks he's doing the right thing.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
That caller will take you far.
Speaker 6 (36:05):
Yeah, and this man is, this character is having to
come to terms with himself and how he wants to
occur in the world because no one is busting him.
I mean, even Mary with the death stare and seeing
the watch never really calls him on it. No, just
says that's Reverendalden's watch and he's got an explanation for it.
(36:26):
So no one and then Reverenalden coming in at the
very end, oh oh, doesn't call him up there. He
knows fully well who this guy is.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
But that's why it worked, because I saw what had
the rising embarrassment and shame that slowly creeps into Johnny Cash.
It's brilliant, great performance. And when the Reverendalden comes to
back at the farmhouse with the con artist, poor battered woman,
sad lady, and she's like, I know, no, he's coming back,
and he goes, yeah, you don't even believe that. What
(36:56):
if he runs out of you, and she's like, I
realizes the jake is up and that she's got to
do something and takes him to town, but he's like,
where are my clothes? He doesn't yeld her because where's
my clothes? What's going on? And then when she she
realizes that he is what, she's like, okay, he doesn't
flip out. He's like, now you know this isn't right.
Come on, what are we going to do here? And
(37:17):
when he shows up exactly, everyone keeps saying, you've done
such a wonderful thing. You save this poor elderly woman
who is depressed. And he's now starting to swarm more
and more when Nels catches him breaking into the place,
Oh my god, on everything.
Speaker 6 (37:34):
This nightcap on love the nightcap, I even.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
Love when he's with Alicia and he's like, you know,
with the dying puppy and he's like, you know the
story of Jonah and she's like you mean Noah and
he's like, ah, yeah, just testing you and make sure
you know your Bible. I was like, smart flick.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
And the only reason he gets anywhere with the poor
poor old lady is when she's he's like, well, I'm
a traveling man. My husband was a traveling game. Were
even then in the seat? Yeah, in prison, I don't
have to know any hymns. She takes sea shanties, I mean,
and and so it all keeps working for him. But
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all these people going thank you, thank you, don't know
he's hurt, squirming, Give her a puppy, Give her a puppy.
Oh the Olsen's dog who suddenly reappears another yeah, dog
who is apparently a girl and pregnant.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
Yes, what what what? That dog was in that shop
and I was like, what, what the where did this
dog come from? I know he's in one episode just
but okay, also terrible watchdog because that dog did nothing.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Another one, I mean Johnny and June. But dad screw
screw performance when he looks at that woman and just goes, okay,
yeah you don't you don't believe that, and he just
low balls it and just knocks her down. Oh ah
oh and then yeah, he he shames and he shows
and the guy he finally can't stand it anymore and
has to give back.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
He just can't stand although they, uh you know, I
was also thinking, what great performances they both June and
Johnny gay, I mean, really like whoa surprisingly amazing performances,
especially when if you I was singing that final scene
where he comes out of the church and he goes,
that's never happened to be before in my life or
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whatever those lines are. You know, if you looked at
those lines on a script on the paper, it's not
necessarily like it would be difficult to make those lines work,
because I don't I don't know if people would necessarily
talk that way. But his performance, both of their performances
were so natural they made those lines work as like
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you just believed every single thing that he was saying.
And although the cynic in me did think that he
probably you know, because he's still wearing Reverend Alden's and
I was like, oh, he's just gonna keep wearing the
collar because.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Because when it wear's my shoes, so it means wearing
like Johnny Cash's old old shoes.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
I mean, I just had doubts that he would ever
address in anything other than Reverend Alden's clothes every again.
Speaker 6 (40:17):
But you were here, you know, he was again a
perfect image thing for him known as the man in black.
I mean, it's all just yes, personally.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
John was all about that he had been wrong and
had a terrible life and the drug problems and the
rehabit well for him. And that's why it's like I was,
I was redeemed, I was redeemed, I went to rehab,
I got it together. I now lead a beautiful life.
And that this was his thing, and that's we go
down to the prisons like, hey, it could it could
all be okay, And yeah, he was the man in black,
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but it was about bad boy gone good. That was
his whole thing. And here it is, and here it
is in this episode.
Speaker 6 (40:55):
Which which does make one thing, Pamela is coming back
to what you talked about early in the EP. So
that if through his people they reached out to NBC
and said we'd.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
Like to do this, I have to think that that's
the case.
Speaker 6 (41:10):
It does makes it because the part so wonderfully written
to suit that thing that you know, Michael crafted this
with Arthur Heineman to to touch on these colors that
are such a part of Johnny Cash's life. It was
really it's a wonderful piece of casting. It is a
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great story to come along in a time when the
kids are in contract disputes.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Yeah, man, well yeah, all the kids work this out
with the agents and they will all be fine in
a month.
Speaker 6 (41:41):
So yeah, I do come back with Bunny. Then you
come back and then Bunny.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
Everybody you would think that Bunny would have been the
season premiere because that saga is the premiere episode.
Speaker 9 (41:57):
Yeah, wonderful season and such a such a town centric yes, yeah, no, no, no,
here we go on something that's completely out of left
field but works so well. One of the other things
that I loved about this is you bring in Johnny
Cash and now June doesn't really sing much in this,
but you get to hear Johnny sing of times that.
Speaker 6 (42:20):
Wonderful little How would you describe the first song?
Speaker 1 (42:23):
First one? I mean just Americana that I saw that
if Paul played the Fiddlands that Ma would have said no, no,
not in front of the children because it is a
spy her herd. Maybe that's like one of thotld drinking
song that maybe he has verses or not allowed to
like see look.
Speaker 6 (42:40):
The things I Know.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
And then he hits on Mary Gross and then she.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Gets the first time I saw weird, so weird aome.
Speaker 6 (42:48):
We haven't talked about the details of this, really, we've
talked about a lot of details, but we're really out
of time on this.
Speaker 8 (42:54):
Wait.
Speaker 4 (42:54):
I have a question though, do you what? Okay? So
there's the whole episode. The reason why we have this
entire episode is because there's a fire on a neighboring fire,
prairie fire. But reverend and Reverend Alden is collapsed in
the back of a Why Why was he sick or
was he in the fire?
Speaker 1 (43:14):
I couldn't understand what was wrong with this man's been
near fire. There's smoke. I think he had smoke in
the lady literally that near the fire, that he was
exposed to smoke and ashes and was actually that sick
because he was ill and out and he said this
man's been near a fire and that there was So
I'm thinking and just you know, possible, possibly other texts
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have come in just saying that that there actually it
was more of a shall we say, quasi conspiracy conspiracy
isn't it too hard a word? Or an alliance? An
alliance like on Survivor with Michael and Melissa that you know,
perhaps if you were not in this episode, we could
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convince that just saying and oh yeah, because she thought
to meet Jhnny Cash because she was in fact going
to school on the set, which maybe why she suddenly
weirdly appears in the church scene when she's not I
don't know which was going to school in the set.
So you did get to meet Chhnny cash and you
cut her cash jellous.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
Okay, So there was a team effort to for contract negotiations.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
This was a team effort. This was not just anyone
that has visions of some child holding out going I
need a rolls. No, this was like a group thick.
Speaker 4 (44:27):
Just so Michael Lander was aware of and was on
team Melissa.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Here's to be and mind you, as I said, I
we were terrible children and talked about what we made. Sorry,
let's back up here, paid ten times. So she's making
that girl.
Speaker 6 (44:43):
Yeah, no, I get that. But yeah, but now you
can frame this as a negotiation with Melissa with NBC.
That's not what this negotiation was. This was a negotiation
with Melissa again, Melissa's team with Michael. Michael controlled all
he could.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
He could pull the plug, he could go to NBC
and go I want it, I don't want it.
Speaker 6 (45:08):
That's true, absolutely, absolutely. Now, the the straw man is
the network. You know, it's John Agolia or whoever it
was was head of.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
The set going to school, awkward munches.
Speaker 6 (45:21):
They knew they were going to make a deal.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
They knew they were going to make a deal, so
there was just kind of a birthday.
Speaker 4 (45:27):
Wait then, why was she on set then going to wait?
Speaker 6 (45:32):
Because was starting and they were trying to bank hours
and they knew that it was going.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
To and she hadn't actually quit. She hadn't actually quit
quit unless there was another Barbara on to talk about.
Speaker 4 (45:45):
I wonder if she would ever talk.
Speaker 6 (45:47):
No, she probably wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (45:49):
No, she probably wouldn't know.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
But it's it's it could be, it could be a
whole thing. I don't know. But yes, there was definitely
palace intrigue around this episode. There's just no way there was.
There was some kind of balls. But thank god it
worked out because Bunny.
Speaker 4 (46:02):
Jeez, yeah, because Bunny. In the end, it all wrote I.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Wanted to this episode. So Johnny Cash's performance is so
mind blowing, just watch his eyes with all that is,
and then Gab's career, the two of them, I'm going
and this sham and this show did not win Emmys?
Are you hitting me?
Speaker 6 (46:25):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (46:25):
One? One last thing at the end, at the final
scene and reverendald And is like, and now Missus Foster
will lead us in a hymn, and then this glorious voice.
I'm like, where where has missus Foster been this whole time?
Why isn't she leading every service with this glorious voice
of hers? Apparently just a funho.
Speaker 6 (46:49):
As usual.
Speaker 4 (46:49):
I knowed it was good to see me in this episode.
Speaker 6 (46:54):
Ruth Foster was Ruth Foster a great singer.
Speaker 4 (46:57):
She was well in this episode. I'm I doubt that
that was actually the actors.
Speaker 6 (47:03):
I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Because most of us couldn't sing. It was I think
Miles and Ruthie and a pitchy pitch Pike. Always he
would start and Ruthie would lead us off because she
had proper pitch and could sing.
Speaker 6 (47:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
It could be her because she's pretty good.
Speaker 4 (47:22):
Could be her? How do we find that out?
Speaker 6 (47:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (47:27):
All I was like, is where's this voice coming from?
This is as as odd as the os Well. I
hope we haven't confused our listeners too much because we
just rambled our thoughts without actually going through the episode.
We sort of recapped. We did a lot about the Carters,
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a lot about Johnny Cash and a lot about contract wars.
Speaker 6 (47:56):
Why this is why? You know, this is sort of
the fun stuff.
Speaker 4 (47:59):
Yeah, I mean, who knew that this Johnny Cash.
Speaker 6 (48:03):
Baseball?
Speaker 8 (48:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (48:04):
Who knew that this episode would lead to like a
huge talk about what was going on with contract negotiations.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
And the entire June Carter family?
Speaker 4 (48:14):
What I know?
Speaker 6 (48:15):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 4 (48:18):
That it is truly bizarre for this New Jersey jew
to know of the entire history and family of the
Carter family and the Cash family.
Speaker 6 (48:30):
Very odd, the odds are. It's just incredible, actually that
connection exists.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (48:37):
Well, and the thing is that I can't watch them
now without knowing these things, right, So that's the only
reason why I even noted about listen. June was amazing
in this episode, absolutely incredible, But the fact that she
was the supporting character and he is still the star,
and that's what their relationship ended up being too. That
she she pulled back on his career to allow him
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to take some stage with his career for better for worse.
You know, it is, it is what it is. It
was a choice, and it's just interesting that it's still
in this episode as well.
Speaker 6 (49:11):
She was a woman of a particular time. That is correct,
and that's yes, that would explain a big piece.
Speaker 4 (49:19):
And he loved her. It's not like he was degrading
her her accomplishments. He was obsessed with her and.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
Didn't realize her her presence. Part of that was her
support and her pushing him was part of how he
got clean too. You know is he talked about in
the sixties there the thing of the films and being
on the road, and and she was like, Okay, time
to get it together. Now let's go.
Speaker 4 (49:42):
Yep, yep. Anyway, I loved this episode. It was fun. Dean.
I want to know when we recap these episodes. I
need to know which ones you have never seen before.
So this is when you had never seen before.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
I love it, I love it.
Speaker 6 (49:56):
This is fun. This is really fun.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
I hadn't enough hundred years I had.
Speaker 4 (50:00):
Yeah, I hadn't seen this one in one hundred years too.
I did remember that it was Mary centric and that
Laura was not in it though, and she.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
Knows she's brilliant. She's brilliant in it. Scary, but.
Speaker 4 (50:11):
Yes, the two faces was always terrific in the show. Yep, mine, yep.
She was my favorite kid actor on the show. Sorry together, Okay,
don't tell her. Everyone keep it, damn it. I'm screwed anyway.
You guys, thank you so much. I did it. Yeah
(50:34):
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You're back. Hello, Welcome on it ends. Isn't a surprise
that they're back? No, it's not I'm just very grateful
that you're back. They're all laughing at me anyway. Hello everybody,
this is Pamela Bob. I'm your host, creator of Living
on the Prairie. I am here, of course, with your
beloved Prairie Bitch or prairiebiyonce, whichever you prefer. That's right,
(02:53):
Alison Arngrom the Face of Eagle. I am also here
with our hashtag imaginary Bullet Brandean Butler.
Speaker 6 (03:00):
Are you guys a good Alison? How goes the tour?
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Absolutely exhausting, Like I'm trying to not put myself in
the damn hospital. I'm but I have I have a
couple of days off, so that's why I'm like, I'm
a chillen. I'm a chillen and I went out to
dinner last night, chilled out, went to the store today
doing this relaxing, relaxing. Our mouse is back. The mouse
is back. But other than that, we're fine.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Is it the mouse or the same the same mouse.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
We caught banar the boy mouse. Yes, his girlfriend Bianca,
because of course, was initially kept her at one point
and returned and her owner dropped her. And yes, my
friend and I did have a conversation in French about
(03:50):
people who maybe shouldn't be having pets.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I don't know. Or the fastest mice in all of France.
I don't know what the deal is with these mice.
And why of the twenty one apart went to this
building more they only come here.
Speaker 6 (04:03):
Yeah, well there must be food. Mean mice come to food, well, well.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Food, and and and my friend here is a little
like snow white like animals are attractive to him. I
said to you, with you, with you? The mice got the.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Energy? Also, why do they keep running away? Something's going
on in that apartment? Are we worried about the mice?
Are we worried about them?
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Just take the mice, Just take the mice and keep
them here.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
They know a parent. I don't. Yeah, maybe we should
be about the mice.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I'm not scared of mice. They're very clean, darling little mice.
And luckily I am not afraid of mice. Otherwise you're
never gonna anger.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
Yeah, are you drinking?
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Please tell me you're drinking wine right now?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
No, I'm drinking darn it.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Okay, it's let's see, we're recording. It's twelve Eastern time.
So is it five or six?
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Just after Fox?
Speaker 6 (05:02):
Okay, so it's a little early for wine, but no.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
It's never.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I could totally go score a drink.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
And also what else, you guys, there's some exciting announcements,
are there not?
Speaker 6 (05:16):
So yes, our Prairie Legacy Productions Group, which of which
Allison and I are the co managers, announced our first
event for twenty twenty five, the Little House in the
Prairie cast Reunion in gold Rush Country. So this is
really going to be This is going to be a
fun event in a beautiful, beautiful location June sixth through eight,
(05:40):
twenty twenty five. So Alis, I know there's a big,
long press release, but maybe maybe you could pull out
the most salient points and share that much.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
There is so much because we are doing it's a
freaking huge This is fantastic. So yes, we're going up
you know, you know where we shot things like the
camp out and we're Laura away and climbed a mountain
and Ernest borgnight.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Oh, it's up there.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
It's in the gorge gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous area. So it's
up there. It's in Columbia State Historic Park to be exact,
and yes, as they're saying, the sight of someone please
love me, the sweet sixteen and the in laws, et cetera,
et cetera, et cetera. It's gorgeous. Now who's going? Oh,
look who's going? Everybody? I'm good. I learn that Dean
Butler's going. Charlotte. Yeah, baby carried baby, Cary both baby
(06:27):
carried Rachel Robin Green.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
That's actually very unusual. Yeah, that the carrys are going.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
On from Robin this morning. That look, there's not a
hard commitment, but she very much wants to come and
and Rachel has committed. I think they're both going to
be there.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
So baby very great. Yeah, yeah, they both work. They work,
They are are hard working people, and they have to
work on the schedule. But it looks like we need it's
a big deal. And then we we indeed have Andy Garvey,
Patrick Laffert who we.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Love them, Kitty Kitty Leicester. I believe she's going. That's amazing, Yes.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yester, a mere slip of a thing. What is she
ninety two? I can't even keep track anymore.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
Yes, she's amazing, absolutely gorgeous too. She's still stunningly beautiful.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
It's speaking of stunningly beautiful Pam roy Lance as always
gorgeous is coming, so David Friedman, So yes, it's a
Carter family. Were you there?
Speaker 6 (07:20):
You go?
Speaker 1 (07:21):
And yes, we got Wendy Lully, our baby Grace, Jennifer
naughty baby Rose, and then we have Jennifer, Michelle, Steffan
toddler Rose. So we have it looks like we have
an all baby carry all baby rows happening things. It's
an all baby weekend. Come on down, Oh my gosh, it's.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
If people want to check it out, they can check
it out at little Housegoldcountry dot com. That is the
event website, and that has links to our tiicser, our
tixer platform where people can buy tickets, and tickets have
been tickets have been selling actually very nicely. Last well
we announced it. See we're so we're a little bit
(08:01):
ahead here, so by the time people see this, it'll
almost be time for the event. Anyway, tickets are selling nicely,
and I hope you'll and we're look check out social media.
We're promoting this like crazy.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
I can tell you right now, people here in France
have already bought tickets. There are people here in France
who have already bought tickets, and my one friend said, well,
I bought my ticket, but I was going to get
VIP pass all three days, but via bait, dad has
passed all three days is sold out, so I bought
regular three days, and then I bought.
Speaker 6 (08:31):
It's always the first to go. Yeah, always.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
And there's a dinner and was it two dinners at breakfast?
Speaker 6 (08:37):
It's actually one dinner and two breakfast, one dinner breakfast.
We are zeroing in on a wine train ride on
the famous Sierra three railroad there, which was featured in
all of Little House episodes, the beautiful.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Steam in beautiful Train.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
Uh now, we haven't announced that yet, but we think
that is absolutely and that will be a huge thing for.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Famous hardest working training show business. The number three, it's
and everything.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
It's in everything. I wish I could be there darning.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
I know. I wish you could be too.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
I know, I know I'll.
Speaker 6 (09:18):
So we need to we need.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
To do this, Okay, all right. Everything will be in
the show notes to you guys, so if if you
need all the information, it will be down there. Okay, listen,
we have an episode today that we'recapping all about self discovery,
that's right, featuring two of Little Houses all time biggest
(09:41):
guest stars. I kept watching this episode like how did
they get these guys? And I actually know how, so
i'll tell you in a minute. But first produced in
the studios of ubn GO in Burbank, California. This is
The Little House fiftieth Anniversary Podcast, Season two recap.
Speaker 7 (09:56):
Yeah, okay, Dean, I will give you the honors.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
What episode are we talking about today?
Speaker 6 (10:19):
Yeah, so today we're talking about season three's premiere episode.
This is the Collection featuring Johnny Cash and June Carter insane. Yeah, no,
really wonderful. Just to quick aside, Prairie Legacy Productions is
looking at an event at Johnny Cash's hideaway farm for
(10:39):
this October. We were supposed to be their last October,
but events prevented it. We are actually looking at really
being there this October, so stay tuned about that. Okay.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
Yes.
Speaker 6 (10:50):
The Collection premiered Monday, September twenty seventh, nineteen seventy six,
a late premiere for that era. Late in September, I
mean season's television seasons were generally mean. The original series
premiered on September eleventh. I don't know. There may have
been some strike that year.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Wait, so this was the first episode.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
This was the season premiere of season three.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Oh wow. I know what's unusual about that is that
the Ingles are barely in it. I mean, Melissa Gilbert
is not in this episode.
Speaker 6 (11:27):
Let me give you a little more detailed Okay, yeah.
The special episode written by Arthur Heineman and directed by
Michael Landon. Michael directed always directed the season premiers.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
And he was not going to not direct Johnny Cash
and had a.
Speaker 6 (11:42):
Nice guest cast in this one. Ted Garrig is Ebenezer
Sprague making a quick appearance Hope Summers. Now I'm not
familiar with Hope Summers, but Catherine, when she saw Hope
Summers in this and watched her briefly in the scenes
as Addie Bjornson, thought loves Hopes so interesting. Queenie Smith
is Amanda Whipple, uh Allison.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
The Inamos Napsis is.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Favorite part of the podcast.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
It's very after rescuing a seriously ill and unconscious referend
Alton in his runaway wagon. Down on his left cleansman
Cale Hodge because what's on Reverend Olden's collar, A devises
a plan to fleece the generous townspeople, walnut growth. I
don't think plainsman's the right word. I think professional con
artist or babling man, transplin man, as he admitted to openly. Yes,
(12:37):
guy's like, seriously, Reverendlden has fallen into the wrong hands.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Say is that for June Carter she's okay, yes, clinging
to decency.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
Yes in this in this episode, yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
She's very like battered woman's syndrome, knows her husband's no good,
can't bring herself to break away.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
Yeah, yeah, you know. And it occurred to me as
I started watching this and I had never seen.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
I was going to ask you if you would want
if you had seen this episode before. I love that
Deana's watching these for the first time.
Speaker 6 (13:13):
This is exciting, so I know, and I'm enjoying it too.
I loved this for him because this was a This
was a situation for him that lined up so beautifully
with his public image.
Speaker 8 (13:29):
Absolutely sort of this spiritual outlaw guy who plays against
the grain of society, writes music for.
Speaker 6 (13:41):
The underdog, for the downtrodden. This was a perfect piece
of casting for I'd be fascinated to know that. And
I'm sorry we can't tell you the story somebody may know,
and we don't have them here with us today, unless Pamela, you,
by some mysterious fluke know how this this casting came
to be. But it's great. Well, I am wonderful cast.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Well, I will say I know a seriously dumb amount
about the the Carter family and Johnny because I actually
I was in two shows. One was about the original
Carter family, which is June Carter's mother and aunt and
uncle who were the first people to ever the Carter right,
(14:25):
and they were the first people that ever recorded all
of this folk Americana music recorded it, got it recorded,
and they are the founders of the current folk music,
country music. All of even finger picking was Maybelle Carter,
That's what she did so. And then of course their
(14:47):
offspring June Carter, there was Anita and another daughter. Now,
the funny thing is is that June Carter was the
daughter without talent quote unquote. The other daughters were gorgeous singers,
beautiful music and singers. In fact, if you look up
Ring of Fire, which Johnny Cash took from the Carter family,
(15:08):
but the original version of Ring of Fire is Anita
Carter and an acoustic guitar and it is glorious, It
is beautiful, beautiful, and then Johnny Cash was like, let's
put some mariachi music on this, which is weird, but anyway,
it's totally weird song.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
No no I made that song.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Yeah, and he did. He sort of massacred it and
that became a huge hit. Anyway, that's a sideplot. June
Carter was the sister though, who could not sing, but
she was the one that had all the charisma all
she was hilarious, she knew how to, she knew, she
had total control of an audience. She had so much
(15:49):
charisma that she became the huge star out of that family,
which was to everyone's surprise.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Nan Trell's sisters had a show, Arleen. They went Dad's
really sing like like the others, and they discovered she
was a comedian, that she was right right Mandrel. Things
happened so like, yes, there's always the sister where it's like, yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
The one sister, June becomes this huge star. June is
way bigger star than Johnny Cash. And when Johnny and
her way bigger, way bigger. Yes, And when they got together,
June actually purposefully pulled it back so that Johnny Star
could ascend, but June was the real star, and she
(16:33):
she let the husband take center stage, which, you know,
say what you will about it, it is what it is.
But I find it also very interesting that in this
episode she also plays sort of the wife in the background,
and she has a beautiful part and she does it beautifully.
But knowing what a star June Carter actually was makes
(16:54):
you go, oh, she's she's a wife.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Getting performance because she knows there's both, and she begs him,
don't do this, please, don't do this. Not a reverend.
We're living but this is too much.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
And they are almoth like may Good.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
And she's the kind of like Stockholm syndrome. Maybe yeah,
and you know, yeah, it's it's rough. It's rough. It's
easy now I do know.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
And then also I portrayed June Carter in another show
about June Carter. So I have a lot, and I've
been to their homes. I I know their family. In fact,
I have not been to Hideaway Farm, but I have
been several times to the Carter Fold, which is in
the middle of Poor Valley, which is in that try
(17:41):
area of Tennessee, Virginia and North Carolina. Right, boo boo,
boo boom, and it's in the middle of nowhere and
it's sort of this indoor amphitheater. The the seats are
made out of logs and uh seats from buses that
were taken out with like carpeting over them. There's live music, ever,
(18:02):
the best bluegrass music you will ever hear in the country.
Every weekend they perform there. It's like a badge of
honor to perform in this place. The rules are no
electronic music, no cussing.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
The microphones, yes.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
But no, you know, all pure bluegrass. People get on
their clogs and they clog all night long. It is glorious.
Johnny Cash performed there hundreds of times. I performed there
on that stage, which is amazing. And anyway, so I
just know a stupid amount about the family. In fact,
(18:38):
fun fact, the show that I just closed, the one
here that I just closed, the choreographer is their cousin
is the Carter cousin. So we were talking. So she
was floored when I said I've been there, and she
was like, no one knows about that place. And I
was like, well, I've been there. So very weird connections
to this family, very very very odd. Anyway, the point
(18:59):
being I did get some insider information many many years
ago when I was working down there in Appalachia because
they I was told, I don't even know how this.
Maybe I brought up a little house on the prairie.
I have no idea how I know this. Yeah, maybe
there's a slight possibility I brought up a little ass
on the prairie. They told me that the reason why
(19:21):
June and Johnny did this show was because it was
their daughter's favorite show of all time. And so, but
I don't know whether they contacted like Michael Landon, were like, Hey,
we want to be on your show, and so they
wrote this episode for them. It kind of feels that
way because the episode is so perfectly written for who
(19:44):
Johnny Cash especially well and June. That's sort of what
their real life sort of parallels are to this. So
I have a feeling that that's what ended up happening,
that they somehow got in contact with either Michael Lennon
or someone and said we love the show and we'd
love to be a part of it. That is pure speculation.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
It totally makes sense given a season premiere that you
mentioned a few moments ago that the Ingles are hardly
in it.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Melissa gilberts like a group anyone there went on here
that she's not there? Was she sick?
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Was her contract dispute? It's a third I don't because
it's literally there's a scene in church where it's the
back of her head and it's like her and adult
marry you, Okay, she's not there, and then every time
they pan to marry it's just Mary, or there's someone
standing in front of where she would be. And there's
one clip one one where that you pull back in
the church and you see Melissa Gilbert. I know, literally
(20:43):
it's and she never speaks.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
She is not usual.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
And in most of the pans of the church they
do not show that side of the church, or there's
someone standing there and there's no one sitting in that
put next Mary.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
I mean maybe Johnny and June were like, we love Mary,
and so they're like, great, will write it with Mary,
Like I don't know, it could have been that. It
could have been that they love Mary.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Big cynec here season three, Season three, that's when things
started really kicking in. Now, y'all know all of us
children got very low wages when we started because who
knew who knew, like I said, my father, who knew
it would be big, and Melissa Gilbert was not well,
nobody was a star except Michael Landon. Melissa Gilbert was
not a star. She was a child actor who worked
at a lot of commercial TV show which wasn't well, let's
(21:26):
say she wasn't Melissa Gilbert yet, just like on the Wolf,
since Michael Lerner wasn't Michael Learner yet, there was that
lady they hired. Nobody knew any Will Gear was the
famous guy and the waft. That's like, I know who
these people were, so people didn't sign on for a lot,
and I know that a lot of the star children
had what were like children's agents who signed them for
a normal fee, not knowing this was gonna go anywhere. Okay,
(21:49):
my agent was kind of like blah blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah and told me like way too much.
But yes, obviously a couple of years in, everybody's agents
called a way whoa whoa whoa whoa. Hi, Wait, we're
getting paid how much now? And obviously everybody got paid
a whole heck of a lot more right away. And
I got like more by the third year. But was
(22:10):
this since there was there a contracts foot, since it's
the first one and as you said, it aired late,
did she say maybe I'm not coming back, maybe your
agency she's not coming back during hiatus and they were
still all the way and that's why, like it didn't
air on September tenth.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
Interesting. Interesting, well, Allison, since you were definitely a part
of that whole dynamic with if anyone would know if
there was a series of contract challenges at that point,
you would know that.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I know there was a point where there was at
one point, and I don't know if it was third year.
If it was third year, this would make all the
sense in the world. It obviously got settled, but I
didn't know if I thought, I thought maybe it was
fourth but then I would have been like, on, how
old was the sac day? But third year makes sense?
First year, haha, let it slide. Second year, whoa, Hey,
what is happening here? Third year? Oh? Hell no, she's
playing Laura Ingles Wilder or someone needs to pay her
(23:05):
an appropriate sum of money. And I do remember that
when we were all first signed. I can honestly tell
you neither Melissa Gilbert nor Melissa suannas were being paid
what they were worth. I know that because my agent
had a big map. They all talked to you.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
I love that she knows this entire stuff.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
They took that work. When I I remember and even
a couple of years in when Melissa was getting paid
more even though we're kids, we had a conversation and yes,
she was getting more than I was and getting really
okay amount of money and I was by then getting
okay amount of money. She told me what she was
getting and I said, are you kidding me? Because she
was in Laura Ingles Wilder. I said, you're Melissa Gilvert.
(23:41):
Laura's why I should be getting three times that? Are
you crazy? She goes, yeah, that's pretty much that what's
going to be happening at the meeting with the lawyers. Okay,
gotcha good?
Speaker 6 (23:49):
I do not, but I'm gonna say I don't know
at what point in that in her run that she
signed with Ray.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Katz, who was Ray Cat's an agent, huge manager.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Because she was with a regular kid agent doing commercials
up until she got Little Houses in the whole world.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
Change everything would have changed. Yeah, yeah, every Ray Katz
would have turned that ship.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
So end of second year and you go into hiatus,
they say you come in and she call says maybe
she's not coming back for the third year. That would
there be time. This was the first thing they shot
and it was stalled, leading to that she's just not
in that one. And then I don't know, like what's
the second one? Did they do something with the guys?
Speaker 6 (24:34):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (24:36):
I know I should be What time is it? Should
I text her?
Speaker 4 (24:39):
I know, text text? It's only twelve Eastern time doing
real time?
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Okay, yeah, what's the worst happened?
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Wait?
Speaker 6 (24:54):
This is just the most dishy episode that we've ever done, because.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
But die and if it happened, then that would sure
explain the like bizarrow absence of Laura. So I wasn't
in that episode. So that's why watching it now, you know, once,
I'm going, whoa wait, Okay, I remember what the heck?
Speaker 6 (25:16):
Where were you you? And weren't there either? Were you?
I mean were you there? You were? You were there?
But you did you had nothing to say in the episode.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Now I'm going to try to do this. Am I
still here? Am I still here? I'm still here?
Speaker 6 (25:28):
You are?
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Because the texting thing? Oh here it is because I
was just texting her oddly this morning about things that
were happening on Facebook, and she was going, Yay, that's wonderful.
Basically just one of those things. She's very happy. But
everything's going on.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
You know, you know what's going on.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
Okay, are we talking about our former promoter?
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Yes, that's what I'm talking about, and that things.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Are resolving in a positive way. Wow, saying so, I'm
saying question of the day.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
She's texting her, I love it so much.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
Sure, what are you saying? Yes? Were you in a
contract dispute at the beginning of season.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Three and the Johnny Cash question of the day, Why
weren't you? Why weren't you in the Johnny Cash episode?
And I'm going to say contract stuff, question mark, and
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she will she may answer me. She may just say
I'm busy, or she may write back and go, no, no,
that was remember that was the weekend the thing and
I broke my arm or head the flu or may
go oh yeah, you remember that was the thing and
it dragged effort. But we'll see what we can find it.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
We'll see.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
What was going on.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
I read she remember, I mean Johnny Cash. You don't
forget when Johnny Cash and June Carter staring your show.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
A reactor on the show got to raise at some point,
all the child actors started very low amounts of money
because we were children. Nobody knewhere, and obviously, just like
on the Walton's where you know, Ralph Waite and Michael
were not famous. As it wore on, everybody did eventually
get raisist, but absolutely at various points there were kind
of push comes to shove agents arguing with people. Was
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this then, I don't, I don't know, I don't know
the time, was it behind the scene Hollywood TMZ craziness.
I don't know, I don't know, but I'm just saying
she's not there. But I wasn't. I just wasn't there.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Were you even in the church thinge at the were
you in the church scene at the end?
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I am not in that episode.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
I did not get to me. You had no contact
with them.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Absolutely jealous. I have said this for one of the
few episodes that I am mad I'm not in church.
I didn't get no because I had so many episodes
and they went, you know, offica, we don't need you
the next year, in next week.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Kept that's true, missus, missus Wibble blame it on missus Wibble.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
Was in the church third year.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Third year, that's like Bunny and everything. They're like, y'all
got plenty to do. Y'all got plenty to do. You
don't need to be in the Johnny plenty to do
this year. Dere you're fine.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Actually, I actually wrote in my notes, no Laura in
this episode, But the next episode is Bunny, So maybe
they were just sort of saving the Laura stuff for
the next episode.
Speaker 6 (28:24):
I'm doing, you know. There could also there could also
have been some pushback total speculation. Here could have been
some concern from Melissa Sue Anderson's camp that she wasn't
getting enough enough and yet so some of the highest
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rated episodes in the series history, probably much to Melissa's chagrin,
really feature Melissa Sue Anderson.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Yeah, they're right.
Speaker 6 (28:57):
She was a and I think Michael Michael loved Melissa
Gilbert as a young actress, and I think he also
loved Melissa su such different human.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Beings in this episode kill and there is a moment
where you see the famous death stare that she is
capable of.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
All right, let's talk about this for a second, because okay, okay,
we're gonna take a quick break, but then we're going
to talk about the two faces of Mary. She has
two sides to Mary. Okay, we'll talk about that next
when we come back.
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Speaker 4 (30:27):
Okay, we were we were going to talk. Okay, we
got the riveting information that yes, it was a contract dispute.
Thank you Allison, Thank you Melissa Gilbert.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
Let's talk magic of the Internet.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Yes exactly. It's like just text technology.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Yeah, I'm going.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Okay, I do want to talk about because we left
with the two sides of Mary. Okay, this is my
favorite thing about Mary Kringles ever, great Mary as she
goes from sweet American apple pie darling. But when she
turns bitch, watch out because there is no one, no
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one that will cut you more like Mary Ingles when
she has turned on you the death stair, the like
she turns into a completely and there is no in between.
There's no middle grown, it's not it's it's either one
or the other. We see it with the handyman. We
see it with a few we see it a few times.
(31:29):
I mean, this is a consistent thing. When Mary turns,
it's like it's all that repression, repression coming.
Speaker 6 (31:36):
Out ethical purity, you know.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Uh huh.
Speaker 6 (31:40):
So there's no yeah, there's no gray, no, no.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
I call it the righteous wrath of Mary Ingles. And
she does because she phones going. She's been also she's been.
This episode also was very weird. Okay, first of all,
the let's get on a horse with the strange man straight,
I wrote that down too.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Not only that, not only that she gives him her
address and her full name.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
I know but it is.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
There are sometimes where I'm sorry that we're watching it
from a current or because it ruins it. Because I
literally that is the first thing I wrote in my notes,
like what she means strange bas car car, She got
in the car with the stranger with candy.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Now truth be told. And this is the other reason
I go because the real Ingles, if you read the books,
if you read Prairie Girl, Oh no, no, no, no,
Laura and Mary did not go around jumping on horses
and jumping awakens with strange man Mall Ingles would have
had fourteen fits if you read the books, when they're
out by the railroad and Ma is going, especially.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
When the first thing he says to her is about
how pretty she is. I mean, it's just like, don't
get in a car. He started a.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Little sleazy, there's creepy. Ma would have had a fit,
would have said, this's the guy. Because in real life
the Ingles absolutely they knew better. And Ma talks about
don't you go near the railroad camp. I don't want
to talk to the railroad man. In frequently it's like
those are strange men. Do not talk to strange men.
Of course they were allowed to talk to a strange
(33:24):
man in the eighteen huns is hello, Hi, So no
she would in real life, No, Marry Engles would not have.
Speaker 6 (33:28):
Gone on that horse.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
But okay, then she becomes his co conspirator and a
couple of times I'm a little shocked. Mary acts like
she's done this before.
Speaker 6 (33:37):
Like she's a car says, she says, and around the table, Pap,
can I go into town with mister Hodgkiss. I can
introduce him to everybody and let him know who's stingy
and who's generally.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
What is that?
Speaker 4 (33:49):
What is yeah?
Speaker 3 (33:50):
And then she.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Starts like she starts when the banker in the banker's face,
well it's things, there's nothing going well because then you
can't get more. I'm like, what child is talking back
to an adult and saying stuff like that to the
bank of eighteen hundreds. I'm like, no, no, no, no.
And then she lies bold face to missus Olsen, Yeah,
we could do the rent the thing and you know
everyone can, and starts like spinning these and going okay,
(34:16):
that's adorable. That is like full on con artist rad Yes,
car singles bs and she's a little girl and when
did this happen? She was the good one. She's going,
have I got a deal for you?
Speaker 8 (34:26):
What is what?
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Who did she turn into?
Speaker 4 (34:28):
That's why I'm curious. Don't you think that that would
have been a Laura part originally and that they couldn't
do more spiny?
Speaker 1 (34:36):
But maybe this is it the character wized. Okay, maybe
she believes this guy she's gonna help the poor, so
she's throwing away all of her ethics to go, I'm
gonna do and then when she's.
Speaker 6 (34:50):
That's the whole journey to self discovery that's going on.
I mean, Nels has some wonderful seat where he gives
the lot by no she is it's like inviting him
to steal from them and I don't.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Know, Yeah, don't tell Harry. Well, that's why Mary goes
full death stare because when she her watch and she
turns around and goes mm hmmm, and it's come out
of you and she's going to kill him, And I'm like, oh,
there it is.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
There is equally taking the hearings off, ripping the nails off,
getting ready.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
For the fight.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
Fascinating. What's fascinating about this episode, I think is that
the thing that I saw in this as I watched
it is. The audience is fully aware of who this
guy is. Yes, and the writing of the episode is
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leading you into or leading him to have to consider
who he is because everyone trusts him, everyone believes in him,
everyone thinks he's doing the right thing.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
That caller will take you far.
Speaker 6 (36:05):
Yeah, and this man is, this character is having to
come to terms with himself and how he wants to
occur in the world because no one is busting him.
I mean, even Mary with the death stare and seeing
the watch never really calls him on it. No, just
says that's Reverendalden's watch and he's got an explanation for it.
(36:26):
So no one and then Reverenalden coming in at the
very end, oh oh, doesn't call him up there. He
knows fully well who this guy is.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
But that's why it worked, because I saw what had
the rising embarrassment and shame that slowly creeps into Johnny Cash.
It's brilliant, great performance. And when the Reverendalden comes to
back at the farmhouse with the con artist, poor battered woman,
sad lady, and she's like, I know, no, he's coming back,
and he goes, yeah, you don't even believe that. What
(36:56):
if he runs out of you, and she's like, I
realizes the jake is up and that she's got to
do something and takes him to town, but he's like,
where are my clothes? He doesn't yeld her because where's
my clothes? What's going on? And then when she she
realizes that he is what, she's like, okay, he doesn't
flip out. He's like, now you know this isn't right.
Come on, what are we going to do here? And
(37:17):
when he shows up exactly, everyone keeps saying, you've done
such a wonderful thing. You save this poor elderly woman
who is depressed. And he's now starting to swarm more
and more when Nels catches him breaking into the place,
Oh my god, on everything.
Speaker 6 (37:34):
This nightcap on love the nightcap, I even.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
Love when he's with Alicia and he's like, you know,
with the dying puppy and he's like, you know the
story of Jonah and she's like you mean Noah and
he's like, ah, yeah, just testing you and make sure
you know your Bible. I was like, smart flick.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
And the only reason he gets anywhere with the poor
poor old lady is when she's he's like, well, I'm
a traveling man. My husband was a traveling game. Were
even then in the seat? Yeah, in prison, I don't
have to know any hymns. She takes sea shanties, I mean,
and and so it all keeps working for him. But
(38:11):
all these people going thank you, thank you, don't know
he's hurt, squirming, Give her a puppy, Give her a puppy.
Oh the Olsen's dog who suddenly reappears another yeah, dog
who is apparently a girl and pregnant.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
Yes, what what what? That dog was in that shop
and I was like, what, what the where did this
dog come from? I know he's in one episode just
but okay, also terrible watchdog because that dog did nothing.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Another one, I mean Johnny and June. But dad screw
screw performance when he looks at that woman and just goes, okay,
yeah you don't you don't believe that, and he just
low balls it and just knocks her down. Oh ah
oh and then yeah, he he shames and he shows
and the guy he finally can't stand it anymore and
has to give back.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
He just can't stand although they, uh you know, I
was also thinking, what great performances they both June and
Johnny gay, I mean, really like whoa surprisingly amazing performances,
especially when if you I was singing that final scene
where he comes out of the church and he goes,
that's never happened to be before in my life or
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whatever those lines are. You know, if you looked at
those lines on a script on the paper, it's not
necessarily like it would be difficult to make those lines work,
because I don't I don't know if people would necessarily
talk that way. But his performance, both of their performances
were so natural they made those lines work as like
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you just believed every single thing that he was saying.
And although the cynic in me did think that he
probably you know, because he's still wearing Reverend Alden's and
I was like, oh, he's just gonna keep wearing the
collar because.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Because when it wear's my shoes, so it means wearing
like Johnny Cash's old old shoes.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
I mean, I just had doubts that he would ever
address in anything other than Reverend Alden's clothes every again.
Speaker 6 (40:17):
But you were here, you know, he was again a
perfect image thing for him known as the man in black.
I mean, it's all just yes, personally.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
John was all about that he had been wrong and
had a terrible life and the drug problems and the
rehabit well for him. And that's why it's like I was,
I was redeemed, I was redeemed, I went to rehab,
I got it together. I now lead a beautiful life.
And that this was his thing, and that's we go
down to the prisons like, hey, it could it could
all be okay, And yeah, he was the man in black,
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but it was about bad boy gone good. That was
his whole thing. And here it is, and here it
is in this episode.
Speaker 6 (40:55):
Which which does make one thing, Pamela is coming back
to what you talked about early in the EP. So
that if through his people they reached out to NBC
and said we'd.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
Like to do this, I have to think that that's
the case.
Speaker 6 (41:10):
It does makes it because the part so wonderfully written
to suit that thing that you know, Michael crafted this
with Arthur Heineman to to touch on these colors that
are such a part of Johnny Cash's life. It was
really it's a wonderful piece of casting. It is a
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great story to come along in a time when the
kids are in contract disputes.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Yeah, man, well yeah, all the kids work this out
with the agents and they will all be fine in
a month.
Speaker 6 (41:41):
So yeah, I do come back with Bunny. Then you
come back and then Bunny.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
Everybody you would think that Bunny would have been the
season premiere because that saga is the premiere episode.
Speaker 9 (41:57):
Yeah, wonderful season and such a such a town centric yes, yeah, no, no, no,
here we go on something that's completely out of left
field but works so well. One of the other things
that I loved about this is you bring in Johnny
Cash and now June doesn't really sing much in this,
but you get to hear Johnny sing of times that.
Speaker 6 (42:20):
Wonderful little How would you describe the first song?
Speaker 1 (42:23):
First one? I mean just Americana that I saw that
if Paul played the Fiddlands that Ma would have said no, no,
not in front of the children because it is a
spy her herd. Maybe that's like one of thotld drinking
song that maybe he has verses or not allowed to
like see look.
Speaker 6 (42:40):
The things I Know.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
And then he hits on Mary Gross and then she.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Gets the first time I saw weird, so weird aome.
Speaker 6 (42:48):
We haven't talked about the details of this, really, we've
talked about a lot of details, but we're really out
of time on this.
Speaker 8 (42:54):
Wait.
Speaker 4 (42:54):
I have a question though, do you what? Okay? So
there's the whole episode. The reason why we have this
entire episode is because there's a fire on a neighboring fire,
prairie fire. But reverend and Reverend Alden is collapsed in
the back of a Why Why was he sick or
was he in the fire?
Speaker 1 (43:14):
I couldn't understand what was wrong with this man's been
near fire. There's smoke. I think he had smoke in
the lady literally that near the fire, that he was
exposed to smoke and ashes and was actually that sick
because he was ill and out and he said this
man's been near a fire and that there was So
I'm thinking and just you know, possible, possibly other texts
(43:35):
have come in just saying that that there actually it
was more of a shall we say, quasi conspiracy conspiracy
isn't it too hard a word? Or an alliance? An
alliance like on Survivor with Michael and Melissa that you know,
perhaps if you were not in this episode, we could
(43:55):
convince that just saying and oh yeah, because she thought
to meet Jhnny Cash because she was in fact going
to school on the set, which maybe why she suddenly
weirdly appears in the church scene when she's not I
don't know which was going to school in the set.
So you did get to meet Chhnny cash and you
cut her cash jellous.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
Okay, So there was a team effort to for contract negotiations.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
This was a team effort. This was not just anyone
that has visions of some child holding out going I
need a rolls. No, this was like a group thick.
Speaker 4 (44:27):
Just so Michael Lander was aware of and was on
team Melissa.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Here's to be and mind you, as I said, I
we were terrible children and talked about what we made. Sorry,
let's back up here, paid ten times. So she's making
that girl.
Speaker 6 (44:43):
Yeah, no, I get that. But yeah, but now you
can frame this as a negotiation with Melissa with NBC.
That's not what this negotiation was. This was a negotiation
with Melissa again, Melissa's team with Michael. Michael controlled all
he could.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
He could pull the plug, he could go to NBC
and go I want it, I don't want it.
Speaker 6 (45:08):
That's true, absolutely, absolutely. Now, the the straw man is
the network. You know, it's John Agolia or whoever it
was was head of.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
The set going to school, awkward munches.
Speaker 6 (45:21):
They knew they were going to make a deal.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
They knew they were going to make a deal, so
there was just kind of a birthday.
Speaker 4 (45:27):
Wait then, why was she on set then going to wait?
Speaker 6 (45:32):
Because was starting and they were trying to bank hours
and they knew that it was going.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
To and she hadn't actually quit. She hadn't actually quit
quit unless there was another Barbara on to talk about.
Speaker 4 (45:45):
I wonder if she would ever talk.
Speaker 6 (45:47):
No, she probably wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (45:49):
No, she probably wouldn't know.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
But it's it's it could be, it could be a
whole thing. I don't know. But yes, there was definitely
palace intrigue around this episode. There's just no way there was.
There was some kind of balls. But thank god it
worked out because Bunny.
Speaker 4 (46:02):
Jeez, yeah, because Bunny. In the end, it all wrote I.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Wanted to this episode. So Johnny Cash's performance is so
mind blowing, just watch his eyes with all that is,
and then Gab's career, the two of them, I'm going
and this sham and this show did not win Emmys?
Are you hitting me?
Speaker 6 (46:25):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (46:25):
One? One last thing at the end, at the final
scene and reverendald And is like, and now Missus Foster
will lead us in a hymn, and then this glorious voice.
I'm like, where where has missus Foster been this whole time?
Why isn't she leading every service with this glorious voice
of hers? Apparently just a funho.
Speaker 6 (46:49):
As usual.
Speaker 4 (46:49):
I knowed it was good to see me in this episode.
Speaker 6 (46:54):
Ruth Foster was Ruth Foster a great singer.
Speaker 4 (46:57):
She was well in this episode. I'm I doubt that
that was actually the actors.
Speaker 6 (47:03):
I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Because most of us couldn't sing. It was I think
Miles and Ruthie and a pitchy pitch Pike. Always he
would start and Ruthie would lead us off because she
had proper pitch and could sing.
Speaker 6 (47:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
It could be her because she's pretty good.
Speaker 4 (47:22):
Could be her? How do we find that out?
Speaker 6 (47:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (47:27):
All I was like, is where's this voice coming from?
This is as as odd as the os Well. I
hope we haven't confused our listeners too much because we
just rambled our thoughts without actually going through the episode.
We sort of recapped. We did a lot about the Carters,
(47:49):
a lot about Johnny Cash and a lot about contract wars.
Speaker 6 (47:56):
Why this is why? You know, this is sort of
the fun stuff.
Speaker 4 (47:59):
Yeah, I mean, who knew that this Johnny Cash.
Speaker 6 (48:03):
Baseball?
Speaker 8 (48:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (48:04):
Who knew that this episode would lead to like a
huge talk about what was going on with contract negotiations.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
And the entire June Carter family?
Speaker 4 (48:14):
What I know?
Speaker 6 (48:15):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 4 (48:18):
That it is truly bizarre for this New Jersey jew
to know of the entire history and family of the
Carter family and the Cash family.
Speaker 6 (48:30):
Very odd, the odds are. It's just incredible, actually that
connection exists.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (48:37):
Well, and the thing is that I can't watch them
now without knowing these things, right, So that's the only
reason why I even noted about listen. June was amazing
in this episode, absolutely incredible, But the fact that she
was the supporting character and he is still the star,
and that's what their relationship ended up being too. That
she she pulled back on his career to allow him
(48:59):
to take some stage with his career for better for worse.
You know, it is, it is what it is. It
was a choice, and it's just interesting that it's still
in this episode as well.
Speaker 6 (49:11):
She was a woman of a particular time. That is correct,
and that's yes, that would explain a big piece.
Speaker 4 (49:19):
And he loved her. It's not like he was degrading
her her accomplishments. He was obsessed with her and.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
Didn't realize her her presence. Part of that was her
support and her pushing him was part of how he
got clean too. You know is he talked about in
the sixties there the thing of the films and being
on the road, and and she was like, Okay, time
to get it together. Now let's go.
Speaker 4 (49:42):
Yep, yep. Anyway, I loved this episode. It was fun. Dean.
I want to know when we recap these episodes. I
need to know which ones you have never seen before.
So this is when you had never seen before.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
I love it, I love it.
Speaker 6 (49:56):
This is fun. This is really fun.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
I hadn't enough hundred years I had.
Speaker 4 (50:00):
Yeah, I hadn't seen this one in one hundred years too.
I did remember that it was Mary centric and that
Laura was not in it though, and she.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
Knows she's brilliant. She's brilliant in it. Scary, but.
Speaker 4 (50:11):
Yes, the two faces was always terrific in the show. Yep, mine, yep.
She was my favorite kid actor on the show. Sorry together, Okay,
don't tell her. Everyone keep it, damn it. I'm screwed anyway.
You guys, thank you so much. I did it. Yeah
(50:34):
I didn't. That's right, Yeah, that's right, that's right, full permission.
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The House fifty Yeah, I know, I know.
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I know? Or our socials allows fifty podcasts. And everything's
going to be in the show notes for the upcoming events.
So this is all really exciting and we will see
you next time. Anyone have anything else to add before
we get the wig? All right, Bob, go get the
wig for Christ's sake, already, all right, see you next time.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
Guys.
Speaker 4 (51:23):
Let's fly using a madman down the hill. They literally
took off
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