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Hey, you're gonna say something high, We're recording.

Speaker 5 (01:11):
Hello, everybody.

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Cut Well, Dean was gonna say something, but we got
no recorded. All right, we're gonna start HI about it.

Speaker 5 (01:23):
Heads. Can you tell we're a little loopy, we're a
little tired.

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Hi, I'm Pammela Bob, your host and creator and start
living on a prairie and I am here as always
with our prairie bitch.

Speaker 5 (01:36):
That's right, Alison.

Speaker 4 (01:37):
Aringram Ooh with the iconic peppermint stick scary yet hilarious,
and also our hashtag imaginary boyfriend Dean Dean the man
machine Butler, how Hi.

Speaker 6 (01:51):
Absolutely fruy.

Speaker 5 (01:56):
Right now?

Speaker 6 (01:58):
You know yeah, I think this sweek enemy we're dropping this.
I can't believe we're recording this. So it's three days
after our holiday event, recording this. It drops, It drops tomorrow,
Tony Snow, thank you so much for sweet Tony, sweet snow,
sweet snow, Sweet sweet snow, sweet snow. It's snowy, Tony,

(02:22):
thank you for dropping this tomorrow for everybody, a week
before Christmas. So thank you. So anyway, yeah, wee in
southern California. You were awesome, Pamela, thank you.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would love to say that you
guys were awesome. Too, except I never left.

Speaker 5 (02:41):
The village church I was in.

Speaker 4 (02:42):
I was in my house. But let me tell you something,
I was in my own So all the interviews, all
the panels that I did were in this church on
the side. It was in the middle of the park,
but it was right there. But I did not leave
this church from from morning till evening, and so I
have no idea what was going on outside of those

(03:03):
four walls.

Speaker 5 (03:04):
None.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
In fact, I saw a video that joined Christine made
today of the event, and I was like, oh.

Speaker 5 (03:09):
That was there. That was there. I didn't know that
was there.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
Like nothing, I saw nothing except what I will say
is and my people that were in the room, Hello VIPs.
I feel like because they were the majority of these
VIPs in this church were there with me for all
three days. And I want to say nine percent of
this audience were people that were there with me for

(03:34):
all three days. And I let me tell you something.
We went through an emotional journey together.

Speaker 5 (03:43):
We bonded so hard.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
I felt so close to these people by the end
of the thirty days. And not to mention Keeddy Lester's
amazing sermon on Sunday morning that left us all when
I say, ugly crying, I mean ugly carrying. Had to
pass me tissues on the stage. We were all sniffing
and blubbering. It was insanely amazing. Like I said, it

(04:07):
was the best Hanica I ever had. Was her was
her Sunday morning sermon, but it was incredible. Everyone's conversations
were insanely great. The audience was insanely great. It came
into so much fun we did.

Speaker 5 (04:21):
It was so much fun.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
And I'm just so appreciative that I'll wrap up talking,
but I just I'm so appreciative that people that were
there that were supporting me and loving it, and we
just had the best time. I had the best time.
What did you guys do over the weekend?

Speaker 1 (04:42):
I shined a million billion autogrash.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
I don't know how any It was great.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
We had so much virtual Everyone was so nice and
everyone comes up the table and goes, I wasn't see
me in the march thing.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
It was great, but there were eighteen thousand people. I
didn't get to see you. It was crazy.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Well, it was like I said, you know, owen kids
in high school throw a party when their parents are
out of town and they're only gonna have fifty people,
but somebody puts it on Facebook and TikTok and then
suddenly there's two thousand people jumping off the roof into
the bowl.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
That's kind of what happened to us.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
It just was too successful and we had a lot
of people, and then we had cuckoo events where we
weren't even organized.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
And had too many people. And so I'm thinking of
making t.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
Shirts that say I survived the Connecticut cast reunion. I
just so many people come up and go I was
at Connecticut. I still had a good time, but wow,
this is so much nice.

Speaker 5 (05:30):
Everyone so up.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Close and personal and ultimately get to see you guys,
and it's so nice.

Speaker 5 (05:35):
And it was smoothly run.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
There was no chaos. There wasn't like, oh no, someone
so supposed to be here at this time, but they
can't because they're blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
It was because we were closer, because I did get
in a golf garden, go how many football fields to
get to the tent, and it was like it's like
they were like, do you want the car, Yeah, I'll walk,
it's over there.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
It's just over there.

Speaker 5 (05:55):
I can go.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
And so I had the New Christmas ornaments that were
just to let everybody love those. I had all kinds
of things and and it was just and people.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
They brought me presents of.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
One of my I know, I got presents too.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
I got presents and treats and things.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
Hey, Karen from Chicago, thanks for the cookies and the ornament.
I ate.

Speaker 7 (06:12):
Oh my god, I know so many chocolate chip I mean,
and I'm not complain.

Speaker 5 (06:27):
I tracked.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
Oh and Alison, your murder cheese got me held up
at the airport for twenty extra minutes.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
No, okay, you didn't check, you didn't check, you dried.

Speaker 4 (06:37):
Nothing was in check yet. So so every year Allison,
as her holiday gift, gets a it's a huge tub
of and it's in a can of this amazing cheese.
And and they were very suspicious of the can of cheese.
And I kept saying, car cheese.

Speaker 5 (06:56):
It's just cheese. The woman just started laughing at me.
It's just cheese.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
I promise they're going to go. They're going to go
order some now.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
You We handed out our cheese.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
We got presents from people.

Speaker 4 (07:09):
It was great.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
I went to one of the food trucks. I mean
they were feeding us.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
We had it all set up so all of us
actors could go in a little green room and had
a little lunchy things. But I was like, I'm hitting
the food truck. I got the chicken sandwich and fries
and it was great, awesome. Bob got a coffee from
the coffee coffee place. He's really good coffee.

Speaker 4 (07:28):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
I hit the food truck and it was epic. It
was like fresh tomatoes and lettuce and it was fantastic.

Speaker 4 (07:35):
So yeah, it was just great week.

Speaker 5 (07:37):
Everything very smooth.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
I know. Dean was stressed out the morning, well, the
day before and the morning before it opened, as like
you do. I mean, these are big events and you
know you hit bumps in the road and it's really stressed.
That happened with the New York event too, Like that
morning we were just super stressed and then the event
happens and it and it went off beautifully.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
By the last toothpicks under my eyelids was like slamming coffee.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Other than that, oh.

Speaker 6 (08:03):
Yes, I think, by the I think the thing that
threw me off on Friday was the fact that we
had scheduled in our minds that the gates would not
open until eleven and then, but everyone's tickets were printed
that the event opened at nine, so suddenly we're not ready.

(08:23):
It's like everybody is standing there in line. People are
standing there in line. Not it wasn't a fullhouse yet,
but it was a lot of people waiting in line
to get in, and there's all this pressure to open
the doors because the ticket says nine o'clock. It shouldn't
have said nine o'clock. But at least I just didn't
see that.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
People are still putting their photos and.

Speaker 6 (08:47):
Because I thought exactly it was crazy.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
We're not really open, and they all left. Oh no,
we just wanted to get a good place there.

Speaker 6 (08:57):
They just wanted to be in line. So it's like, hold,
it was great.

Speaker 5 (09:03):
It was lovely.

Speaker 6 (09:03):
I think it was. I think we should but listen,
let's get into this because it's really fun.

Speaker 4 (09:15):
He isn't body coming up to the other's episode Christmas time? Yes,
it is upon us hollering gather Holiday gatherings and celebrations
are at the center of our thoughts. I know that
is for sure, and that's also what's happening for the
Ingles family. But first from Ubi and Go and Prairie

(09:35):
Partners and Visit seem Valley and of course are awesome patrons.

Speaker 5 (09:39):
That's right, this is the little house the other.

Speaker 4 (10:01):
We are out of our minds right now.

Speaker 7 (10:03):
This is.

Speaker 5 (10:08):
My god, we're so loopy.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
Okay, here we go. Get it together, Bob, get it together,
carry out team.

Speaker 5 (10:17):
Are we talking about today?

Speaker 6 (10:18):
Yes? Oh, yes, okay, so today a week before Christmas,
we're talking about episode fifteen of season one, Christmas on
Plum Creek, which debuted auspiciously December twenty fifth, nineteen seventy four.
Good Time, written by Arthur Heineman and directed by William F. Claxton.

(10:40):
It's a beauty, Allison. What's it about?

Speaker 2 (10:44):
I love this episode. It's like last episode.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Christmas is coming and everyone's saying it's a time for
secrets and not to ask questions, like people who beak
at their bresents. And we discussed this before the Dean
Butler was.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
A beaker as a giant.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
Yes, Laura wants to buy something expensive for her mother.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
What she wants, as we all know, is a stove.
She wants a stove from all because she's cooking in
the fire.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
Black and can imagine.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
But she has no money, so what is she going
to do Meanwhile, Mary is trying to decide what to
make Paul. Carrie only has a penny, and finally, though
mister Olsen makes her a deal, resulting in my favorite
line in the entire show, in the entire nine years,
when baby Card gets a star and says carrying them

(11:32):
a time literally after it's lovely.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
But this is the famous episode.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Where we first meet Bunny as Injustice for Bunny, as
in that poor Horse, just where I take her pony
on Chris.

Speaker 4 (11:49):
It's so grinchy.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
So Grid and I have a beautiful.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Green coat, which that coat disappears, that code goes to
the vortex with the.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Guest stars, never come back. Gorgeous green coat? Does it gorgeous?
Covid this episode? I don't where it went.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
That's probably because this is one of the only winters
after this season. It's perpetual springtime.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
And it was green for Christmas.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
And it's like I even ran off photos from this
episode to have at our event over the weekend because
they're so beautiful.

Speaker 6 (12:22):
Interesting, you know, and of course that we also see
that now, Alison, do you have a recollection of what
time of year this was actually shot?

Speaker 8 (12:30):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (12:30):
GoF it was at least fall though it wasn't July.

Speaker 6 (12:35):
I hope. So yeah, absolutely, because then because you have
the snow, the snow blankets spread around, so you get
a little passion. It's like the snow looks like lawns,
you know, It's like it's just it's sort of spread around.
And what's sort of interesting. What's interesting about this is
when you look at this in HD now, you don't

(12:56):
necessarily see it in watching it online and I was
watching this at Peacock, but when you when you see
it on a high definition on a big screen, I'm
told you can really see that we're looking at blankets
and things. Yeah, just because no one imagined this kind

(13:18):
of resolution that we've done now. So it's a very
different thing.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Close foreground, they had crushed ice. They had like an artificial.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
Snow because it was creachy and everything.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
Yeah, yeah, the crunchy stuff. There was absolutely crunching, so
that you see like Melissa and I making snowballs. There's
photos of us having a snowball fight between these, so
there's actual real hurt. Yeah, it was a very were
and of course we were like whiling on each other
because we're terrible big pilo, so we had the crunchy
real snow, but only for scenes where we're going to

(13:47):
be stepping right in and touching it. Going look snow obviously.
Then a few feet back.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
They would put down sheets and use gyps of the
gyps in the.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Mineral the powder that is in like drywall, which is
banned and is insane dangerous and it's like playing in
as bestos. And we had big piles of gyps in
which we get in your lungs and kill you.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
But back then they didn't know, so we're all based,
so that was scary, scary.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
And then way back, like if we were filming by
the mercantile and you see there's some snow by the school,
it is white bed sheets that they've just arranged over
the world.

Speaker 5 (14:21):
It is is it?

Speaker 6 (14:22):
Literally, it is white sheets.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
It's just sheets. This is fabric and plastic is not.
It is a bloody bed sheet like you.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
Put under the Christmas tree, thrown over some rocks in
the background. So it's cloth cloth with gyps in it,
and it nice.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
That was our snow.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
And then when people came into the room when snow
fell on them, they came and covered and so of
the the blower thing that was these wax kind of flakes,
like a shredded plastic and that's why there's some Mister
Edwards is sweating at one point and there's snow on
who it's just it doesn't know, it doesn't go anywhere,
is there. And the famous blizzard at the little House
and when you see the house is covered in snow

(14:59):
and it's on the sand on stage with the guys, Yes,
right to break snow everywhere was awesome, awesome, awesome.

Speaker 4 (15:05):
I will say one seen when Pond Laura leaving the
barn and they opened the barn and you see these
beautiful snow flurries and he goes, ooh, it's getting cold,
And I was thinking, yes, I mean it really did
really really look like snow.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Do you think that that would have been shot on
the stage probably where you would have and yes.

Speaker 6 (15:29):
And it would have been so what it was at
least were now by in season six. What it was,
I don't know because the snow technology has changed constantly
through the years. It's been all kinds of different things.
What we had in season six for the Christmas they
never forgot was literally like shredded garbage bags that that
were that it was They were stretched, so they've really

(15:52):
floated on the air. If it was that, it really
had a nice text. It looked great. Yeah, but you
you know obviously, well it floats beautifully, which is great.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
If it lands on your clothes, it looks like a snowflake.
The only part that's weird is you're obviously under hot.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Lights to day.

Speaker 6 (16:09):
It doesn't go away. Yeah, and it doesn't away.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
Here's a picture. It's all over Facebook.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
It's somebody's home snapshot they took one day working there.
But it's all face and it's a shot of the
little house on the sound stage. And there's a guy
on a ladder with a cardboard box full of shredded
plastic face snowflakes, and the other guy with a giant,
enormous fan like a like a jet engine and everyone
and everyone's standing around in T shirts and jeans and

(16:33):
shirtless and there's this huge drift of snow.

Speaker 6 (16:37):
Yeah. Yeah, So these were the fans that got used.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
Huge fans, So question every time because I thought, actually
the barn scene was the barn always on a sound
stage because it just open.

Speaker 6 (16:51):
You can shoot it in both locations. You can shoot
it in both way.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
At night or raining or snowing on the stage.

Speaker 5 (17:00):
Yeah, got it.

Speaker 6 (17:01):
You could you know what you The way you can
tell is how level is the ground out if you
can see the ground, how level is the ground outside
the barn. If it's flat, it's the stage.

Speaker 4 (17:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (17:14):
And on the location there was a pretty good contour
coming out of the barn that you could see that
it's dropping downward to the left as you look out
to the to the left and dropping there was there.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
There were definite shots of the little house with the
snow falling that was very very obviously on the sound stage.
Now again as a kid, no idea didn't even not
at all. But as I was rewatching it, I was like, oh, wow,
that's that is an interior exterior shot for sure, right, yes.

Speaker 6 (17:48):
Yes, no, I I agree, I think, and I think
that would depend I did not look closely to see
who shot this episode if it was. It felt interestingly
that particular shot that you're talking about, that establishing shot
felt very flat to me, which was unusual for the
way that we normally said there generally is some depth

(18:11):
and texture in those shots.

Speaker 4 (18:12):
This was very flat, yes, especially because the sky quote
unquote was just all flat gray.

Speaker 6 (18:19):
Yeah, and it was just they on the side. It
actually looked.

Speaker 4 (18:23):
To me it actually looked like a miniature model.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Doesn't it totally?

Speaker 4 (18:29):
And I was wondering did they do it? It might
have been because it really.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
I never saw a miniature, but that shot with the
guys and the fan, it looks like a freaking miniature there.
It almost is that real, those little I mean, so
it gave it that weird quality. Now, it wasn't summer,
because I would have died in that coat. It was
getting closer to we didn't have like, we didn't have
like mass. It wasn't like we had to shoot in
June to do the December episode, So it may have

(18:55):
been late October early November the area cooled off there,
sniffy because it's.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Gotting right, Yeah, of course, yeah.

Speaker 6 (19:05):
I mean the turnaround time on an episode from the
completion of photography to air was generally about six weeks.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
Oh wow.

Speaker 6 (19:13):
I mean that that sort of was the turn and
it could certainly go faster than that if it had to,
But that was sort of the normal window of time
that they were looking at. And as the seasons, as
the season went on, that window started to close because
you know, you're catching up to your airdates. But but
that was I think that the general that was the

(19:35):
intent was about six weeks.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
I remember shooting something in the school church that was
supposed to be winter, and I don't know if it's
supposed to be Christmas, just to be winter. But we
finished the scene and they all went whoo, wrap because
we were starting our Christmas break. So it was so
many weeks before Christmas. We're actually shooting something in December
that was supposed to be winter. So we were clearly
kind of it close that week.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
Oh wow, wow, I think we should get into the episode.

Speaker 6 (20:03):
So Allison, we established right away up front of this
that something is going to happen with Bunny this horse.
So had you ever had you ever spent now? Was
that you actually walking the pony in a circle or
was that the stand in? God?

Speaker 1 (20:18):
No is the standing. I have never been able to
ride a horse. I still can't really ride a horse.
You know, our lovely horl and our publicity. He grew
up on a horse and so he did take me
out one point some years ago teach me to ride
horse away.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
So I'm no longer like I don't scream if I pass.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
A stable, but like I can't ride a horse, so no,
I'm they had me sit on a horse.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
I sit on the horse at one point, don't do
a lot of moving.

Speaker 6 (20:42):
Yes, before you get off.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
There's before I get immediately off there. So you see
me get like, oh she's on, Oh she's off. I
think there's one point where the horse very slowly starts
to walk.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
And I'm talking, but there's.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
Like a group of people controlling horses, an army of wrangler.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
I was going, okay, okay, because I'm going, ah, get
me off here.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Well, like the race, they were like on the ground
holding the horse's legs so it move.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
It was just like pathetic. I couldn't get its pathetic.

Speaker 6 (21:10):
I get rid of you know what the horse. All
you have to do is raise one leg and the
horse isn't moving anywhere. I mean, you just raised one
four leg and the horse is standing rock solid, nothing's moved.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
I later learned that.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
And you also a forward and you put your thighs
here on your knees hair, and you hold the reins correctly.
I later learned that not terrified of the poor things.
So yeah, I didn't have anything to do with that
poor horse. But you know, I see you know, I
know I want Laura's horse and all that, and she
wants she wants this stove and it's very expensive. Now,
what this is based on is an old, old, old story,

(21:45):
gift of the magi was it?

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Is it? Oh Henry helped me literate person.

Speaker 5 (21:49):
Yes, I can't stop there.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
They've made They've remade it ten thousand times in everything
from a cartoon to various movies TV shows.

Speaker 4 (22:01):
Yeah, oh Henry, it's an Oh Henry, sorry.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Oh Henry, and always ironic. So there's this lovely young
couple and they're very poor, and she has beautiful long hair,
and he has a watch that was given to a
mice grandfather.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
That's not the only thing to have that's good.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
So he decides he's going to go buy beautiful golden
combs to put in her hair, and he sells his
watch to get to the combs. Doesn't tell her, doesn't
tell her, this is why you need to talk about
your Christmas presents with your loved ones.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
And she goes and skips off her hair and.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Sells it, has her hair cut off, and sells it
to make ways to buy a beautiful chain for him
to put his beloved watch on, and there they are
at Christmas with their stupid combs and their chain and
nothing to put it on, and they're like act and
you know, but they live happily for they love each other.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
But this is based on that.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
So you've got all this stuff going on where Paw
is making a saddle.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Are you okay? Your ears are hair? Okay? My Pau's
making a saddle for Laura.

Speaker 5 (22:53):
To put it. We don't know that yet.

Speaker 4 (22:56):
We don't know that yet.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
It's only two thirty.

Speaker 4 (23:00):
Oh something happened.

Speaker 6 (23:02):
Hang on, no three, Sorry, Tony, you're going to cut
that out. Catherine is reminding me that we're trying to
go to our grandchild's Christmas concert.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Oh triple book, don't you.

Speaker 6 (23:20):
Yeah, yeah, it's fine, it's fine. So we're talking about
the gift. What's gonna have to be We may have
to go faster, let's go faster.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
But it's gift of the magic. Everyone's going to screw
up their gift giving. Mon Marry are making the same
shut it's opposite.

Speaker 4 (23:37):
Oh yeah they are.

Speaker 5 (23:39):
But we know this.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Yeah, it's a mess. The whole thing's a mess.

Speaker 4 (23:42):
All we know is that Nelly wants Bunny. Laura's like
hacked to the know they then the Ingles are all like,
what are we going to get each other?

Speaker 5 (23:53):
They have barely.

Speaker 4 (23:54):
Anything to spend on anyone, and they're all being very
secretive about what they can do.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
She uses onion skins to die yarn. Is that a thing?
That's a thing.

Speaker 6 (24:06):
Yes, you'll get green, it will be green.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
You get dark green if you boil the onion skins
and butchering room.

Speaker 5 (24:12):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (24:13):
So uh. And I think, what's something that's lovely in
this episode given that it aired on Christmas Day? Is
right up front with Carrie pause sets up the whole
religiosity of Christmas.

Speaker 4 (24:24):
And it's definitely the Charlie Brown moment.

Speaker 6 (24:28):
Yeah, it's a lovely, lovely moment.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
Yes, it is absolutely lovely.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Mary gets a job with the famous Missus Whipple.

Speaker 6 (24:36):
Yes, yes, Is this the first.

Speaker 4 (24:39):
Time we also see Missus Whipple that we're absolutely.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
I think it is. I do not think because Missus
Whipple is sort of in the books. Is she named
Missus Whipple in the books? But there's a lady who's
a seamstress in the books, and I don't think we've
seen her until now.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
Is also awesome and I would want to be her
employee if I was living in walmat because she's gotten
donuts and milk waiting everything awesome, right, made homemade donuts,
Oh my god, because I don't think there was a
duncan d over in Walnut Grove getting the donuts ready

(25:16):
in the morning. So yeah, she's awesome.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
And played by Queenie Smith, an actress named Queene.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
She's so lovely Miss Whipple is she great?

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Became a talent agent. She was in W. C. Fields Movies.

Speaker 5 (25:29):
That geez was she really?

Speaker 6 (25:33):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Brilliant?

Speaker 6 (25:34):
Most of the most of the episode. I think we
can sort of shortcut our way through this. Most of
the episode is everybody's anxieties about what they're going to
get and the secrets that they tell to get. Is
This is one of the rare moments where they're in

(25:54):
the in the series where there really are secrets, where
the audience doesn't really know what's going on. It plays
out very effectively, but normally in the world of Little House,
the audience knows everything. In this case, there is withholding
going on, and it's very effective, as we will discuss
in a few moments, And it is.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
The first time we see Missus Whipple but we see
her four more times.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
She shows up all the time on the show Who Knew?

Speaker 6 (26:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you know everyone's working out
their deals.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (26:25):
I mean, so they go shopping at Olsen's and I
love that they talk about Missus Olsen raises her prices
at Christmas time because the holiday, but.

Speaker 8 (26:35):
Not on the eggs that she's going to pay for
from Missus singles.

Speaker 6 (26:40):
The price has stayed low on the eggs, but her
price is for the thing she's selling, yes.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
Yes, and her excuses, well, it's the holidays, yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
Gouging at Christmas that yeah, yeah, well that was still.

Speaker 6 (26:57):
Really really you know, we we live in a world today.
This is really so an interesting contrast. Even when we
were growing up, Christmas was very pricey. I mean, and
there you expected higher prices at the store at Christmas time. Now,
from Black Friday on, it's sale time heading into Christmas.

(27:21):
I mean, everybody is discounting heavily for the volume. Everyone
is looking for huge amounts of product to go out
the door, and the sales are everywhere. I mean I
know that, look there are stores where things are very expensive,
but that sort of mass shopping experience today, unlike what
it was when we were kids. Is a very dis

(27:43):
heavily discounted period. And maybe people don't feel that, but
I feel like, you know, you go to Amazon, this
is everything is sales.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
And sale all the time, right, yes, thank heavens, Thank heavens.

Speaker 5 (27:54):
Thanks.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
And then the day after Christmas is even more of.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Us now Christmas tree.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Who were in New York telling Christmas trees in New
York and you said you saw a go how much?

Speaker 4 (28:06):
Well, so in New York, what they do is these
people from Canada, come Canada, come with the trees, the
Christmas trees, and they set them up on the street.
So every other block or every few blocks, they're street
vendors and they're lined up all yeah, lined up along
the sideway that they're all month long, twenty four to seven.

Speaker 7 (28:27):
Ye.

Speaker 4 (28:28):
But it has gotten very very very very pricely the
past couple of years, like like really really pricey. So
I hate, I hate saying this, but we ended up
getting our trees from Whole Foods because it was a
very good price.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
But you know, Jeff Bezos, we have the boys routes,
they have there's a couple of charities to do trees
out here.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
That's the better price.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Yeah, yeah, you can go downtown where stacks a tree
walked and like buy them there. But my father's method
was to go to wait so the last possible minute,
because he was discovered in New York was baby. He
had no tree, they had no money, and he was
walking home Christmas Eve from work and the guy was
fanned out but you know the old fire and the
barrel thin, and he's like, hey man, you want a

(29:14):
tree because I'm gonna have to throw these all away?

Speaker 5 (29:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Really, And suddenly the tree was two dollars.

Speaker 4 (29:18):
My father went, there's just no way to go.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Yes, this is how to do it.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
So he would wait till the last minute every year,
and then he would take me out, and my job
was to go, I want and then he said, we
can't afford it, and we would stage this terrible fag
in Oliver Twist Street Theater and go.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
To lots all over town and do this terrible thing
where I would be the poor little waif.

Speaker 6 (29:39):
And he was, oh my god, I can't believe you
did that, just like I didn't work. It was early training.
It was early.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Training, and it worked, and we finally we'd go back
to the lot that had come down the lowest and
we'd buy a tree. And these trees were sixty dollars
and we spent like nine bucks ten and we got a.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Tree every year.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
I can't the legend.

Speaker 5 (30:01):
He's the legend.

Speaker 6 (30:03):
Totally. Yeah, No, I totally believe it. You know, from
meeting your dad, you could just see he was there
was there was a there was a wheeler dealer in
your dad, no question. I totally believed that that happened.
And sadly, I totally believe you went in work.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
Of course, like six years old, drain me to do this,
and that is.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Why I'm so good at these things.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
To my god, oh my god. Okay, that's iconic. Well
let the people know that.

Speaker 6 (30:37):
Is just horrifying and incredible.

Speaker 4 (30:42):
And so here are the poor ingles.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
I mean, that's what I kept thinking.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
You at least went down, like why doesn't you take
Laura out and go hondle a tree? But the poles
are struggling, struggling, struggling, dying things skins for God's sakes.

Speaker 6 (30:58):
Yes, So now, all right, So we get to the
point where so the major I think, the major sort
of heartwarming turn in the story happens when Paw finds
out he has the opportunity to make some wagon wheels,
he can get it, and that's at the same moment
that Laura needs two minutes.

Speaker 4 (31:19):
Alone, which is the sweetest to make a deal.

Speaker 6 (31:23):
Yes, it's the whispering is very sweet. Yeah, and that's
why he's.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
Gonna be working all night making these wagon wheels. Meanwhile,
Laura's going to give away her beloved pony. Who's your
friend is alive?

Speaker 6 (31:35):
And we don't know that.

Speaker 4 (31:37):
You just yet. She did it in the intro Who's
But the audience doesn't know that yet. All we know
is that Nails and Laura have been having a whispered negotiation.
We do not know what is said. We just know
it is very very sweet, and we fall in love
with Nils even more than we already are in and

(32:00):
feel we feel so bad for him that he has
you as a daughter, Nelly.

Speaker 6 (32:06):
So I'm just wondering, like, where is missus Olsen to
blow up this deal? I don't know, because it's like
you think, like this is the kind of thing that
she would blow up. But it was so sweet. It's
like they didn't want to reckon.

Speaker 4 (32:18):
No, they stayed in the Christmas spirit for sure. She's busy,
you know, gouging her other her other folks and things.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
She shaved on prisons for me since I'm benefiting from
this deal.

Speaker 6 (32:31):
Well you know, now missus Olsen does get it. No,
I guess that it was mister Olson. Who is who is?
Missus Foster is there looking at something, and she suddenly
excides that she's going to go to man Cato because.

Speaker 4 (32:42):
There's the shade of it all. She's so shit, Why
did she give that shade? It was shady miss Foster
with the app I know they have better selections.

Speaker 5 (32:56):
Screw you, Foster.

Speaker 4 (32:58):
Yeah, that's awful.

Speaker 6 (33:00):
This is all This is all like Act one stuff here,
let's see and acting like it's very dramatic.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Much going on.

Speaker 4 (33:08):
There's so much going on and also not going on
in this episode.

Speaker 6 (33:12):
But yes, no, no, exactly. So I mean by the
end of I mean, by the time everyone's got it
all figured out. Pause figured out that he's gonna make
the wagon wheels, and Laura's made her deal and everyone
knows what they're giving.

Speaker 4 (33:28):
Even we think got fair fabric to make posure, and
we don't know that Mary has the same exact fabric
that she's.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Law's at home and she's missus whipples. They're not talking
to each other talk, they don't know what they're making.

Speaker 6 (33:42):
No, Nope, so great, that's that's that's so great. So
by the end of BAC two, everyone is humming jingle
bells and everyone knows what's going to happen. You know,
everyone's happy. And still at the end of that, by
the end of act two, it's happy. And now we
have issues that developed. So let's take it.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
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All right, we're back.

Speaker 5 (35:19):
Issues.

Speaker 6 (35:20):
So yeah, so we start. It's all about well, I
don't know about but it's everyone's the secrets. It's like
secret secret secrets everywhere. Pauseworking on wheels, onions, Lauras from
doing the onion skin thing, Mas secretly quickly working on
her gift. Mary is sewing at missus whipples. I mean,
everybody is working now. It's interesting the way they shoot it.

(35:43):
I guess I wasn't sure as I was watching it.
Is it clear that it's the same shirt. Do we
know that they're working with the same fabric?

Speaker 4 (35:50):
Well, because I think they both checked out the same
fabric at the store.

Speaker 6 (35:54):
Yes they did. We did see that, right, So it's.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
Not necessarily on the nose. Oh, this is definitely happening.
But certainly by the end we realize, oh, that is
what has happened for sure.

Speaker 6 (36:07):
Yeah, and then and then with all that and what
Laura is knitting, and then Carrie is the one who
comes up with the cash. She when does she find it?
She finds a penny.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Wish we know, a giant Christmas store even then didn't
cost a penny.

Speaker 5 (36:25):
No, I was like, what was it.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Five cents or something?

Speaker 4 (36:29):
Real world because aluminum foil was fancy back then, and
that's what that star was made out of.

Speaker 6 (36:36):
It is very obvious that it's tinfoil.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
It's very pretty, but that was not cheap.

Speaker 6 (36:42):
And yeah, I wonder if on television now. Also, I
don't remember this because I because I didn't see this
episode but it aired. I'm just wondering with the resolution
of television then, wouldn't have been obvious that it was tinfoil?

Speaker 1 (36:56):
Then you might have you might have thought that it
was tin, but you kind of went nas some kind
of wrapping paper thing over.

Speaker 6 (37:05):
Okay, Yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (37:06):
Remember I remember watching this a little girl and being
like the tinfoil star.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
Dollar but it wasn't like a dime or five cents,
and Carrie didn't have five cents.

Speaker 6 (37:18):
Yeah, and then okay, so she finds the money. She's
Rich pause painting wheels, he's almost finished. He hits the
he hits the spoke too hard and cracks the hub
of the wheel.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
So then he's up all night working on these wheels.

Speaker 6 (37:38):
So there's the pros. There's the setback, right exactly.

Speaker 4 (37:42):
Once again, we want to serve coffee in the middle
of the night to a man who needs to go
to bed. Why what is this choice?

Speaker 6 (37:53):
And he was always the drink of choice.

Speaker 4 (37:55):
It was always the nighttime drink was a coffee.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
He drinks tea. It's still caffeinated, but he don't calcinated.
Looked positive tea drinker in the book.

Speaker 4 (38:05):
Huh.

Speaker 6 (38:07):
So I'm not sure what the value just from a
story standpoint, I'm not sure why we needed to break
the wheel other than to have pot tired. But I
want to know what that really plays out. But okay,
so you have it.

Speaker 4 (38:25):
Probably just a little moment, yeah, just.

Speaker 6 (38:28):
A little something. And so Carrie finds the penny the
next day there at Olson's pod. Come, He's worked all day,
He's got the wheels, he's painted, everything's perfect. He makes
his deal, or he tries. He tries to make his
deal with mister Olson to get this stove that he
so wants for MA and it's not available.

Speaker 4 (38:53):
So but we don't say why.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Is it not available? Why?

Speaker 4 (39:02):
And at this point the autist doesn't doesn't don't really
know that it's a Laura that has bought.

Speaker 6 (39:07):
This yet not nothing is nothing has really tipped that.
I don't think there's any tip on who's bought this.

Speaker 4 (39:14):
I like nails being like, but the clock by a
clock and he's like the plot, we don't there.

Speaker 6 (39:23):
Next there's a clock and and pause, not from Switzerland,
the stove.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Yes, I want the fireplace to make dinner.

Speaker 6 (39:34):
It's right, So then okay, so then where the paw goes?
Pau is happy, he's out hunting, he gets the Christmas turkey,
he gets see this big.

Speaker 4 (39:44):
He decides to order the stove, even though it's going
to take eight to twelve weeks, ten.

Speaker 6 (39:50):
Weeks, but he wants the stove.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
It takes a.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Freaking year because it's the eighteen hundred's it still take
three months to show up, right, Okay, sorry, we.

Speaker 6 (39:58):
Don't really explain. We don't don't really explain, or he
doesn't explain how he's going to overcome not having the
present for Christmas morning unless he's unless he's going to
give her a gift certificate the catalog.

Speaker 5 (40:13):
That's right, that's right, here's a pick.

Speaker 4 (40:16):
Meanwhile, Nells is now screwed out of his catalog. If
anyone wants to order a stove, he doesn't have that
page in the catalog.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
And doesn't have to be Charles for the wheels.

Speaker 5 (40:25):
Now, I confuse it was a little.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
Yes, the trade off is a little as.

Speaker 6 (40:33):
Well. He's got Look, he's ordered, he's taken, he's he's
he's brought the wheels, he's earned the money. He's applying
that money. He's applying that money.

Speaker 4 (40:45):
Nells knows that Laura already got the stove, so he's
not actually going to order the stove. Otherwise they'd have
two stoves.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
He knows he I.

Speaker 6 (40:55):
Mean, he knows everything. Everything.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
Yes, that he's going to give a giant had it
to come January, mister is gonna go surprise.

Speaker 6 (41:03):
Right, hundreds perfect, that's what it is. Yeah, of course he's.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
Your January supplies are now.

Speaker 6 (41:12):
All So everyone's now speeding towards the holiday. So Paul
goes and hunts Mas preparing question question.

Speaker 4 (41:20):
So we see this snow tricked field, snow that's.

Speaker 6 (41:28):
Because we see Paul in snow shoes walking through the giants.

Speaker 4 (41:32):
It was the actual snow in Sonora.

Speaker 6 (41:35):
That was actually I think that was actual snow.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
We have have an it's like an insert shot, look
real snow.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
So that's so interesting that they'd have to go all
the way to Sonora to just do get that one.

Speaker 6 (41:45):
Well, I think you could, you know, you could go look,
you could make well, I don't know if you'd buy
that shot. That's an interesting piece of timing.

Speaker 4 (41:55):
It's a great piece of Yeah, it's a great shot.

Speaker 6 (41:57):
I wonder, but that does feel like something just to
look at that. It's so open, it's so static that
it was the real thing for sure. Yeah, so it presumes.
I wonder how late they had to wait because this
is not normally a time and that part of you know,
we get snow up there, a lot of snow. It's

(42:21):
interesting how that would be a great question.

Speaker 4 (42:25):
Maybe they would direction.

Speaker 6 (42:26):
Manager, Yeah maybe maybe or yeah maybe maybe. But you
could have done that shot with a very minimum crew.
You could have done that with a second unit crew,
and that could have been that could have been the
stand in, that could have been Yeah, whose name now
escapes me? Now hal Burton walking with the snow shoes

(42:49):
on right, lots around.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
He then got a.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
Bunch of footage of things they needed and said, hey,
could you go up the mountain get me some give
me a nice snow interesting.

Speaker 6 (43:00):
They might have shot that shot in the pilot. It's
left the year before. It might now it's not just
they had the shot there. If someone thinks that's great.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
Michael would have done that, you know, would Hey, we
got walking through the snow.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Maybe we didn't use it.

Speaker 5 (43:21):
Charlette.

Speaker 4 (43:21):
Would Charlotte Yerkey know this?

Speaker 6 (43:24):
She might she. I don't know that she was there then.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
But she might know.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
She might know I was gonna go out to Charlotte.

Speaker 6 (43:34):
Okay, Yes, he's got a turkey, and everyone's cooking or
everyone's preparing maybe the.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Paper chains and the popcorn. It's there.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
Their house looks very sweet. It is very sweetly done, homemade.

Speaker 6 (43:50):
Homemade, cut to night time pause, playing the.

Speaker 4 (43:53):
Fiddle, sure is like a ben like a wild.

Speaker 8 (43:56):
And the family's dancing, Carrie bouncing into bed. Why with
the big box? Charles is so delighted he can't believe, like,
where did this come from?

Speaker 5 (44:12):
Thank you? Yes?

Speaker 6 (44:14):
And then Charles and Caroline are in bed later and
Caroline can't imagine what this could be. She's so excited.
And of course it's the peaking, poking, you can't look,
you wait till morning kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (44:30):
Now, who why didn't anyone tell Michael Landon? Now the
air fiddle wasn't as obvious this time. It wasn't inches
away right, but his his his fingering on the what
why you guys, why I didn't happen to know.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
How to play the fit of myself.

Speaker 4 (44:50):
But he's doing it like this, like when that's not
at all what the music is doing, nor I don't.

Speaker 6 (44:59):
I just wonder if they're actually doing it? Yeah, well,
I you know. My my volunteer feeling is that Michael
could prioritize a lot of things. But that wasn't but
that and he did brilliantly, but that was not a priority.
If for him, what he would have done it beautifully.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
We didn't know what track it was going to be.
I think sometimes he knew which music was going to be.
Maybe they could play the track this one was like,
what are we playing?

Speaker 2 (45:26):
I don't know?

Speaker 5 (45:27):
So are they it?

Speaker 6 (45:28):
Also they could have they might have had a click
track on the stage with just something for the rhythm
of it, and you don't know what's being.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
Played totally maybe maybe yeah, yeah, Okay.

Speaker 6 (45:42):
On the other hand, they could have very easily be
gone on the stage with the fiddler and just said,
you know, we're just do something nondescript and play something
in this tempo and away they go, and then they
would just do playback on the stage and you'd hear
it and then you know, so they could be dancing
to something. But that doesn't explain Michael's fingering sort of.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
No, all that he was going wild in this one.
Wild I say it was fast fiddling in this one.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
It's also weird in joke, like you want to see
if we don't notice.

Speaker 4 (46:17):
Was also thinking maybe he did it because if you're
not musical, if you don't play an instrument, would you
know any different? And the answer is probably maybe not,
but maybe not. I certainly know. I think most people know.

Speaker 6 (46:32):
Of course. No. If you if you've ever been around
someone who plays, you know he's not playing. I mean
it's like you just you just know he's not playing,
and but but you forgive him because the ex is
wonderful and because it's Michael. Just accept it.

Speaker 4 (46:48):
Correct, Yes, we love him anyway. Okay, so I think.

Speaker 6 (46:52):
We need to jump ahead to Chris. I think we
need to jump ahead.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
Because Chris Master comes and it's brilliant.

Speaker 6 (46:57):
We need to jump ahead to Chrismas morning. Allison, you
got this, and Pamela, you've got this. I really want
to hear your take on how this aw goes down.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
So it hits the fan because now it's Christmas, so yes,
she can open her stove. Now don't getting paid for it.
They're all going, I got paid for the wagon wheels.
And then the truth happens because Nelly shows up, and
first of isn't that nice that mister Olson has dropped
by the house to say hi on Christmas?

Speaker 4 (47:25):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (47:26):
Nice?

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Said, oh you brought your daughter, that's odd, and you
didn't bring Willie and where's missus Alten? That seems strange?
Uh oh, And this is like very rarely was I ever.

Speaker 4 (47:36):
In the in their house?

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Yeah, maybe there was one where the.

Speaker 6 (47:40):
Gonna do.

Speaker 5 (47:43):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
It's like a vampire had to be invited in.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Three days and so somehow I'm actually in their freaking
house in that adorable coat and bond.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
I'm so cute. I ran off a bunch of pictures
of our cue adorable and I'm so cute. But there's
one where I have this evil look.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
I'm sanding there and there's my paw and there's Michael,
and I'm like, and that's when it's pay a piper.
It's repoton And I take her pony on Christmas and
the snow is falling and I take her pony and
she's beside herself. She's destroyed because she's made this devil's bargain.
And there goes her horse, and even the rest of
the family are like, you did what? And I take

(48:23):
her damn horse, and then poor Mary they go.

Speaker 6 (48:29):
It just this is where you really are.

Speaker 4 (48:32):
The bits that.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Mary goes, oh pah a shirt and mos sees it's
the same.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Now Ma does the thing of ill I'll just and
she she hides it. She hides it.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
She's like, well, you know, another occasion, it's a good shirt.
But he'll forget. I'll give him another way and get
a hold of it. I'll can replace it. But now
she has nothing for him, so that's like mess stuff. Technically,
now he has.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
Nothing for her because he didn't buy the stove. The
kid gets it's a disaster.

Speaker 4 (49:05):
Well, but the worst part of it is is that
before Nellie and Nell's show up to claim the horse,
where they realize Laura has given away the horse. Pau's
gift to her is a newly refurbished saddle for the
pony that she has been everyone yes, and she's absolutely

(49:27):
devastated that Paul worked so hard to get her this
saddle and she gave away the damn pony.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
You wanted a saddle, you said, She's like yeah, and
then it's like knock knock at the door.

Speaker 4 (49:38):
It's horrible, it's awful, and the lovely thing is that
she's crying and Ma is devastated that she's given away
this beloved animal for her I actually cried at that
part as a as a mom.

Speaker 5 (49:50):
You kid really hit me.

Speaker 4 (49:52):
I was like, my gosh, I mean, it's.

Speaker 9 (49:54):
This beautiful construction, or this is beautiful construction of moments
that tumble into each other and make what it should
be beautiful moments, beautiful devastating moments.

Speaker 6 (50:09):
It's just it's so little house.

Speaker 5 (50:11):
That's right.

Speaker 6 (50:12):
This is quintessentially, and.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
That's Henry moment with the gold combs and the watch there.
It is what do you mean saddle.

Speaker 4 (50:19):
That's right, So that moment was especially poignant. But then
also the piece resistance is, you know, Laura's crying and
they're saying, we know how much you loved the horse.

Speaker 5 (50:30):
We're so sorry, and she.

Speaker 4 (50:31):
Said, it's not I'm not crying because of the horse.
I'm crying because Pop worked so hard and getting the
saddle for me, which is uh, devastating, devastating, and she's
happy that.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
She got moll stove. She says, I don't care.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
And then they're like what, And then we're back to
what is Christmas about? Because they've really screwed up the
whole gift given thing they got to with the same
shirt she sacrificed the words.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
It's kind of a miss moment technically, don't have anything
for each other cross wires.

Speaker 6 (51:02):
But it's so about loving intention. It's so about loving intention.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
It's like, you don't need it's surprising.

Speaker 6 (51:09):
It's the heart that informs this that is really the
beautiful thing.

Speaker 4 (51:14):
Yes, and then Baby Carrie Gabby Carrie discounting the show.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
And does, like you said, it's Charlie Brown's special line
this moment, what is Christmas about?

Speaker 2 (51:24):
Charlie?

Speaker 1 (51:24):
And she gets it up on that tree and goes
happy birthday baby Jesus.

Speaker 8 (51:29):
And I.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
First time I saw this, my whole family we did.
We all shrieked happy birthday enities because we're like that
that was awesome.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
It was hilarious. What the heck did you say.

Speaker 4 (51:42):
That, hild Okay, So after this moment, Carrie, this is
I wrote this out on my notes because it made
me howl with laughter. So Carrie's like, what about me?
And everyone's like ha ha ha, and Pa says Carrie,
we almost forgot about you. And I thought, that's the
understand of the century. That is the understanding.

Speaker 6 (52:11):
Well, I think, you know, it's interesting how that works.
I really think I think that Michael had a real
sweet spot in his heart.

Speaker 5 (52:22):
Oh yeah, sure, I.

Speaker 6 (52:24):
Mean I just think that there was They were absolutely adorn, adorable, adorable.

Speaker 10 (52:31):
Okay, maybe some linguistically challenged at moments, which Alison, you
have had a field day with for years.

Speaker 6 (52:42):
Cute, adorable, adorable little girl. I also want the with the.

Speaker 4 (52:51):
The other thing that I need to know about baby
carry is that why does she have a bob in
the front but long in the back.

Speaker 5 (52:58):
Why? Look, this is what it was like. Yeah, so
what the question.

Speaker 4 (53:09):
Going on in nineteen seventy four that that was happening
to this little girl I don't understand carries.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
The one who reminds them that it's Jesus birthday and
they're so sure wagon wheels.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Yes, he carries, like what do you guys?

Speaker 5 (53:26):
Yes, that's it.

Speaker 6 (53:27):
With their simple penny, she brings home the whole message.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
She got her discount stop. Yes it is. It is beautiful.
But all joking aside. This is such a lovely, lovely,
lovely episode. It's so sweet and it's so from the heart,
and that's what it's all about.

Speaker 6 (53:44):
It is it is. Yes, you know this. Interestingly, we're
talking about this weekend. At our event at Bopucket, our
technical director spent hours recreating the carry stars he did
I think he he did at least one of them.
He did a beautiful job of it. You tinfoil in

(54:07):
the whole thing. It just looked it was yeah, it
was you husband.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
Danny has done it. He has built it. I've seen
him do it.

Speaker 6 (54:14):
He's done a bunch of them.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
They're gorgeous.

Speaker 4 (54:17):
Dan is so.

Speaker 6 (54:18):
Sweet too, and he's very Danny's very talented.

Speaker 4 (54:21):
Well that's our episode, you guys, it's Christmas. It's Christmas time, everybody.
I haven't had a moment to actually sit.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Down and and I have a new stove. And nobody
had to trade a horse for it is a.

Speaker 6 (54:35):
Majestic What what kind of stuff is it?

Speaker 1 (54:41):
Well, I want to say it's a majesty, of course,
you want to say that an lg It is induction
is okay, it's right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Up into an electric oven.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
But it's got conviction, it has setting for air fryer,
make it do things.

Speaker 6 (54:56):
It's a gasp angel is a gas and.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
All electrics from the top is the magical induction magnetic thing.
And so not all of your pots and pants that work,
now a lot of mine because I have old solid
that I have cast iron, I have stainless which all work.
Some of the little you know, flimsy, little lump so
te pants like yeah, not so much.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
So I gotta go, I gotta go pick up a
couple of pants. But like all the iron works. My
enamel thing works. My anti Marian's all her cook where
because it all works.

Speaker 6 (55:26):
It's from like, okay, so do these things stick to
the top of it? I mean, how does this work?

Speaker 2 (55:31):
It's magic? You put your pot on there. It's magnets.
It's magnets.

Speaker 6 (55:35):
It's magical, so magnets. But the pot doesn't stick to it.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
No, no, you put their circles. It looks like an
electric range. Like it's flat. Thank you put your pot
on it. You get to warrant.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
You turn the thing on and it makes noises. You
almost think like, oh, it's making noises, it's going to
be fire. There isn't and like you care to hear
a little.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
And what's happening is the magnets are and it's moving.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
It's like the microwave. It's moving the molecules of the
pan and the pant. The stove doesn't get hot, the
pan gets hot, and that water what t inner gets hot?
And I boiled a pot of water and it was like,
just man, not turn.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
That thing up to ten satisfying. It gets so much.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
So quickly, but like a gas flame, it's instantly responsibly.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
I'd like to turn that down to three now. Oh
look and then it goes poof and it turns down.

Speaker 4 (56:18):
You see, MA needed this stove and could you could
you imagine? I mean, I asked Karen during one of
these panels, what modern? What modern?

Speaker 1 (56:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (56:29):
Uh, like convenience would you would mo like would have liked?
And which what modern convenience would Mom would have been
suspicious of? And she said, well, she said washer and dryer,
which was my number. Well, I mean, certainly a stove,
but like washer dryer, yes, yes, yes, And then she
said Mom would have been skeptical of micro waves and
I agree, agree, hard agree.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
But and then you take the pot off, and then
the stove is actually technically cool. It's a little warm
from the pan with the pan is blazing hot, and
whatever's in it is blazing hot.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
And the top of.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
The stove range. Now the oven like, we'll get out.
But it also rotated, and it's got self cleaning. It
has settings I'd like to do air fiyer. It's got
a little missions that awesome everything, and it works. I boiled,
I boiled some water and went, yep, measure fit.

Speaker 6 (57:20):
Yeah, you know, just changed. Wow. It occurred to me
as I was watching the very early part of this
that Ma was concerned about how difficult the oven was
in the heart. So she got that that one line
sort of is a little easter egg that sets up
where this may be going. And of course that maybe

(57:41):
that's what Laura heard and we got to do the stove.
So it's that one little line about how difficult it
is to cook something in this oven.

Speaker 4 (57:49):
In the those stoves were not easy either, but certainly
better than open fire.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
You had to know what you were doing. They knew.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
People who did it all the time could get I
need this exact temperature baking bread. Oh that's two pieces
of this kind of wood and one piece of this
kind of what they literally would do. Is that greenwood?
Or is that hardwood? And they knew, but like the
calculations you had to do.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
Now.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Warning to anyone who's getting induction stone. They are electric,
but they may require a specific dedicated line and the
right kind of voltage. You cannot just run to the
store pop in your You are going to have to
call them electrician.

Speaker 6 (58:23):
So you so it has its own dedicated circuit. What
is it twenty?

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (58:27):
You got to yeah, I think two twenty. And the
electrician has to come and he has to wire your
kitchen so you.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Can have it. Gas.

Speaker 6 (58:34):
Didn't need that.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
This has to come and they have to turn off
the gas.

Speaker 4 (58:38):
They were like electricity, what's electricist?

Speaker 6 (58:41):
Right?

Speaker 1 (58:42):
Yeah, getting smoke is amazing, but it is a procedure.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
They are not cheap, although I got one on say
it like, I wouldn't say I got a great deal
of this.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
But they are prey. They tend to be pricey. There's
some sales now and there is a whole procedure in
installing in your house. It is not like a red
your stove.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
We justlug it.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
It's going to be a bank but it's worth it.
It's a very good if you want, if you really cook,
it's it's a great thing.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
It's a great thing.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
I know it's.

Speaker 4 (59:08):
Of the mob stove and where we've come from there.

Speaker 6 (59:11):
Yes, exactly. Well, Merry Christmas to you, Alison with your
beautiful new stove. It's going to be it's going to
be a cooking feast constantly at your house. Good for you.
I hope you're going to do some episodes of who's
doing the cooking with this new stove? Yeah? Uh, Pamela,
stay warm. I hope you will be beautiful. If that's possible,

(59:35):
I won't have a beautiful Christmas. I just want to say,
you know, for thinking about gratitude. I'm so grateful the
two of you. We've had a really amazing year. Grateful.
I'm so grateful to our patrons, the two of you
and Tony Sweet who is our producer, U ben go.

(59:58):
We really have a lot of fun. I just feel
so fortunate that we've had this, this opportunity to.

Speaker 5 (01:00:04):
Work the same.

Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
We're coming up on two years guys in January.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
No, Pamela, don't spend too much on a tree. You
have cute children, can't.

Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
No, we did it already. We did our whole food stres.
It's beautiful they could have. My kids are lucky because
they get both Hanukkah and so it's yeah, month is
gift giving. It's ridiculous. I haven't done the lot because
yet because there's.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Because of the butt.

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
But you know I have first in my house.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
But I make the lock because yum, they're the list.

Speaker 6 (01:00:35):
Let's let's send us off now.

Speaker 4 (01:00:37):
Okay, here we go, you guys. We wish you all
the happiest of holidays whatever you celebrate, and check us
out Little House fifty podcast or website, the Little House
fifty podcast dot com and uh check out our show notes. Hey,
we're done with events for the year. Can you believe it?
Can you believe? But listen to join us on us

(01:01:01):
for real. We're gonna sleep now, it's time to sleep. No,
but think of like between New York straight into the
Christian I mean, it's been a time. We've had a
holiday season, y'all, a holiday season for real. But join
us on Patreon because we're gonna talk more and you
don't want to miss it. We're fun anyway, It's that time. Bob,

(01:01:23):
get the wig. Let's fly, y'all. Let's fly

Speaker 5 (01:01:28):
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