August 26, 2025 • 27 mins
Based on Letting Go: A Professional Woman’s Guide to Surviving Toxicity by Shu Chen Hou, Ph.D., this podcast empowers women to recognize, confront, and rise above toxic influences in the workplace and beyond. Through insights on boundary-setting, self-reflection, and cultivating compassion, listeners will learn to navigate office politics, build supportive networks, and heal from emotional wounds. Each episode offers strategies to let go of negativity, embrace growth, and confidently redefine success and happiness—transforming challenges into strength and inspiration. #LettingGo #SurvivingToxicity #WomenInWork #WorkplaceWellness #BoundariesMatter #SelfCompassion #HealingJourney #ThriveBeyondToxicity #RedefineSuccess #EmpoweredWomen
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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Hey everyone, and welcome back to the deep Dive. Glad
to be here today. We're cracking open a really essential
guide for anyone navigating the complexities of their professional world.
We're taking a deep dive into shoe chen house insightful
book Letting Go, a professional woman's guide to Surviving toxicity.
Our mission to pull out the most powerful, actionable nuggets
(00:39):
that will help you not just recognize toxic influences, but
truly release them and rise above, reclaiming your energy and
well your potential.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
It's such a critical topic, isn't it. Absolutely This deep
dive offers a framework not just for pinpointing what's toxic,
but for understanding the profound, often hidden impact it has
on our entire higher well being, mental, physical, and of
course professional. What's particularly insightful about doctor Hy's approach is
how she frames Letting Go not as an act of resignation,
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you know, but as a courageous step towards self love
and profound personal growth. It's really about taking back control.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
That's a really powerful reframing. Okay, so let's unpack this
journey from merely surviving to actually thriving. Where does the
book begin its exploration of toxicity, Like, how does it
define it?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Well? It starts by clearly defining toxic relationships not just
as like bad interactions, but as consistent patterns of behavior
that fundamentally undermine your self esteem, drain your energy, and
disrupt your emotional well being. Okay, the core, as the
book emphasizes, is a persistent lack of respect and support.
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What's truly insightful here isn't just that these behaviors exist,
but how the book kind of dissects the underlying power
dynamics that make them so incredibly hard to recognize, sometimes,
especially maybe for professional women who might be conditioned to
take one for the team or avoid conflict.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I can totally see that it's not always the obvious
like shouting matches we often picture. Is it?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
No, not at all?
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Can you give us an example of how this lack
of respect might subtly show up in a workplace?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Precisely? The book argues that passive aggressive communication, for instance,
is far more insidious than outright conflict because it creates
this constant, low level hum of anxiety. Right think of
the backhanded compliment that was a surprisingly good presentation considering
the short notice, or the colleague who consistently forgets to
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include you on important email chains, sort of subtly isolating you.
These aren't just minor annoyances. The book frames them as
systemic issues that slowly erode trust and morale. They make
you question your own perceptions rather than confront a clear problem.
It's that death by a thousand cut scenario.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
The book outlines that rings so true, and often those
subtle signals they make his deat ourselves, don't they?
Speaker 2 (03:00):
They really do?
Speaker 1 (03:02):
So what are the clear indicators the book gives us
first spotting these these stealthy energy drains before they take
too big a toll.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Well beyond the passive aggression, Doctor Howse highlights common signs
like excessive criticism, where feedback feels more like a personal
attack than actual constructive input, or outright manipulation. Another crucial
indicator she points out is the presence of fear and
anxiety among team members, or a culture where gossip and
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negativity are just pervasive.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Like walking on eggshells.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Exactly, these are environments where people walk on eggshells. If
we zoom out a bit, these aren't just individual behaviors.
There's symptoms of a broader, unhealthy system that actively erodes trust.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
And often, as you mentioned, there's that sense of isolation,
being consistently excluded from discussions or decision making. Ultimately, the
book tells us to trust your instincts, but in those environments,
trusting your gut can be incredibly difficult, right. The book
offers strategies for validating those gut feelings when everything around
you makes you second guess yourself.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
That's a really crucial point. The book absolutely acknowledges that
our instincts can get clouded by fear or just conditioning. Yeah,
so it doesn't just say trust your gut. It gives
you a practical framework for validating those instincts. It suggests
cross referencing your feelings with small objective observations, like maybe
tracking how often certain behaviors actually happen, or noticing your
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own physical reactions like tension or that feeling of dread
before meeting.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Okay, that makes sense, little data points.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Right, And it also strongly encourages confiding in a trusted,
neutral third party, someone outside the situation, for validation. That
helps turn that vague unease into actionable awareness.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
That makes so much sense, because this isn't just about
feeling bad, is it? It has real tangible consequences for
your career, especially as the book highlights for professional women
who are already navigating so much. What is the books
say about that specific impact?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Absolutely? The book notes that toxicity can stifle creativity and
collaboration simply because people are too afraid to speak up
or take risks. This inevitably leads to burnout, anxiety, and
a decrease in overall job satisfaction. But more critically, it
can hinder career advancement.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
How does that happen?
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Well, When you're constantly on guard, expending energy just defending
yourself or navigating these political mind fields, you have less
capacity left over to innovate, network effectively, or showcase your
full potential, so you end up feeling sidelined or overlooked.
It really raises an important question, how can you truly
achieve your goals and thrive when you're constantly just fighting fires?
Speaker 1 (05:43):
It's such a profound drain. Okay, So the book then
outlines the cost of holding on, and it sounds quite
stark emotionally and mentally. What exactly happens when we internalize
and tolerate this negativity day after day?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Well, the daily grind of negativity leads to a profound
sense of fatigue and self doubt. It's not just feeling tired,
it's like this deep weariness that settles into your bones.
This chronic stress can absolutely manifest as anxiety and depression,
creating this vicious cycle of self criticism. The book stress
is the importance of recognizing, and this is key that
their behavior is a reflection of them, not you. That's
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a crucial first step in breaking that cycle.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Otherwise you start believing the toxic narrative.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Exactly, We start believing the narratives created by that environment, and.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
It goes beyond just how we feel. I was really
struck by how interconnected at all is the emotional, the mental,
and then, maybe surprisingly for some, the physical. The book
really drives home the physical side of holding onto toxicity.
What's the connection there?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
It absolutely does. It emphasizes that this isn't just about
grinning and bearing it. It's about understanding the cumulative effect,
the biological effect, really right, The book explicitly states that
persistent negativity and stress trigger your body's fight or flight response,
keeping it switched on constantly, constantly. This can cause fatigue, headaches,
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and muscle tension. Even escalating to things like increased heart
rate and elevated blood pressure as your body stays in
this constant state of alert, and perhaps most insidiously, it
can lead to a weakened immune system, making you more
susceptible to getting sick.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Chronic stress, as the book details, disrupt sleep patterns, which
further impacts our ability to perform and recover. It literally
remodels your brain and body over time if it goes unchecked.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
That's such a powerful point. It's not just a bad day,
it's a systemic drain on your entire life force and professionally,
beyond just hindering advancement. What are the other insidious costs
of staying in these toxic environments?
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Oh, the book details a whole host of professional repercussions.
It talks about undermining confidence, which then leads to self
censorship and a reluctance to take initiative.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Right, you play it safe exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
This kind of environment can also lead to spreading negativity
among colleagues, creating distrust or fostering a pervasive culture of fear.
All of this results in disillusionment and disengagement, where employees
just clock in and out doing the bare minimum to
get by.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Just surviving, just surviving.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
The long term impact is huge, missed opportunities for advancement,
diminished creativity, and a noticeable lack of motivation. Ultimately, it
can lead to stalled careers and limited professional networks, effectively
trapping you.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Okay, So if staying put is so incredibly costly, where
do we even begin to shift things? The book makes
a compelling case that it all starts from within, with
a kind of internal mapping. It talks about identifying your triggers.
What does that really involve?
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Right? It's about self reflection for clarity, but maybe more
than that, it's about understanding what truly ignites your passion
versus what just grains it.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
The book urges us to ask what truly matters to
you in both your personal and professional life, because toxicity
often directly violates those core values. Journaling is suggested as
a therapeutic process to identify recurring themes and emotions that
surface when you encounter these toxic interactions.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Ah like tracking the patterns exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
This deep self awareness allows you to proactively protect your
emotional well being and start to differentiate between emotions that
actually serve you and those that are just draining you,
usually because they're triggered by something external.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
And building self awareness isn't a one and done thing,
is It sounds like it's an ongoing journey. Definitely.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
It involves seeking feedback but from trusted sources, people who
have your best interests at heart, Practicing mindfulness through things
like meditation to stay present, and genuinely recognizing it's an
ongoing journey of self discovery. It's about consistently checking in
with yourself rather than just reacting to external stimuli all the.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Time, and that introspection that leads directly to another crucial step.
The book highlights empowering yourself with self compassion. I think
many of us, especially high achievers, are much harder on
ourselves than on others.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Absolutely, and the book argues that cultivating self compassion is fundamental.
It means offering yourself the kindness and understanding that you deserve,
especially when you're struggling. It involves using mindfulness to counter
that harsh inner critic we all have sometimes and practicing
self acceptance. It creates a foundation of resilience. Basically, it's
about treating yourself with the same empathy and support you'd
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offer a good friend going through the same thing.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
That foundation of self compassion then critically allows us to
start developing healthy boundaries. The book has this great line,
boundaries are not walls that isolate us. Instead, they are
protective barriers. Can you elaborate on the types of boundaries
and why they're so vital, particularly in a toxic environment.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Yeah, that's a great quote. The book doesn't just list boundaries.
It emphasizes that they are absolutely essential for preserving your
energy and your sense of self when you're dealing with toxicity.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Right.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
It breaks down various types of boundaries physical, emotional, time, mental, digital,
and workplace specific ones.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Digital ones feel huge.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
These days, they really are. Digital boundaries are often the
first to erode, subtly, blurring work and personal life until
there's no distinction. The book offers a surprising tactic here,
not just no emails after eight pm, but designating specific
sacred zones in your home or even times in your
day where devices are entirely off limits.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
So interesting.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, it's about retraining your brain and crucially retraining your
colleagues's expectations of your availability. For any boundary to be effective,
the book provides a step by step guide on how
to set empowering boundaries, emphasizing clear and specific communication using
eye statements like I can't take on this project right
now because I need to focus on my current tasks
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to meet the deadline.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
That specific wording is so helpful. Building on that, a
really crucial strategy from the book is the art of
saying no. This can be so incredibly hard for so
many of us, especially again professional women who often feel
that pressure to always agree and be helpful.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
It truly is challenging culturally, personally it's tough. Yeah, But
the book frames saying no not as a refusal or
being difficult, but as an assertion of your boundaries and
a commitment to your well being.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
That's a good way to think about it.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
It suggests pausing before you automatically say yes, give yourself
space to actually assess the request against your priorities and
your capacity, and then communicating your decision with clarity and respect.
This isn't about being confrontational. It's about protecting your time
and energy, and critically, it's about creating space for opportunities
that do align with your goals and values. It's really
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an act of self preservation.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
And then perhaps surprisingly for some readers of a professional guide,
the book brings up practicing forgiveness. For many, that might
feel like letting someone off the hook or condoning bad behavior.
What's the book's unique take on forgiveness here?
Speaker 2 (12:50):
That's a really important distinction the book makes. It clarifies
that forgiveness is not about condoning negative behavior, but about
releasing the hold that resentment has you.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Ah, okay, it's for you exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
It's an active, conscious choice for your personal piece, especially
when the person who wronged you isn't even aware, or
maybe they're not sorry. It's about disentangling your well being
from their actions, allowing you to move forward without carrying
that heavy emotional baggage. The book acknowledges it's not easy,
not at all, but it positions it as a powerful
internal tool for reclaiming your piece.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
So, once you've gone through all these internal shifts, the
self awareness, the compassion, setting those crucial boundaries, maybe even forgiveness,
how does the book guide you to put it all
into practice? Consistently? It suggests creating an action plan exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
This isn't just about theory. It's about making it real
with concrete steps. It means identifying specific areas of distress,
which interactions or situations drain you the most, then setting
smart goals specific, measurable, attainable, relevant, and time bound related
to those areas. Can you give an example, sure, If
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say a specific colleague's constant gossip is a major distress area,
a smart goal might be for the next week, when
this colleague starts gossiping, I will politely excuse myself within
one minute, using a pre planned phrase like I need
to get back to X. I'll track how many times
I do this and note any changes in my stress
levels by Friday.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Oh that's very specific.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, it's about taking proactive steps towards change, however small,
and building momentum from there. It makes it feel less overwhelming.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
That really brings it to life. Okay, now let's talk
about navigating the external world, especially navigating workplace toxicity. The
book delves into helping us identify toxic colleagues. First, what
are some of the key trades A highlights, and what's
the book's advice for dealing with them? Sort of head
on or maybe not head on.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Well, it details common traits like chronic gossip, playing the
blame game constantly, and consistently engaging in manipulative behavior.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
The energy vampires.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Pretty much, these are the people who seem to thrive
on creating drama or shifting response onsibility. When we zero out,
these behaviors undermine the entire team's productivity and morale, not
just the people they target directly. Now, the book doesn't
necessarily suggest you confront every single instance that could be
exhausting and counterproductive. Rather, it suggests you learn to choose
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to rise above the fray and focus on uplifting conversations.
It's more about refusing to be drawn into their negative orbit,
managing your own.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Response, disengaging strategically, yeah, and handling off as politics is
another mindfield Entirely, the book suggests it's not about joining in,
but about something else.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
It's absolutely not about playing the same game. The book
advises building strong, authentic relationships based on trust and respect,
focusing on effective and transparent communication, and leaning heavily on
your self awareness and emotional intelligence.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
So being savvy but ethical.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Exactly, It's about being observant, understanding the dynamics at play,
but consciously choosing not to participate in the negative, undermining
aspects its strategic engagement not toxic entanglement, Okay.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
To counteract all this toxicity, the book clearly stresses building
a supportive network, starting with finding your tribe. What does
that look like in practice? How do you find this tribe?
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Well, it means intentionally surrounding yourself with individuals who genuinely uplift,
support and inspire you. It's about being conscious and curated
about your personal and professional circles. The book emphasizes that
quality trump's quantity. One or two truly supportive people are
far more valuable than a wide circle of indifferent or
even draining acquaintances. And it's about being proactive and nurturing
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these positive relationships through mutual respect, showing up for them,
and genuine connection.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
It takes effort, and the importance of mentorship also comes
up as a vital part of that network. How does
a mentor fit in, specifically for navigating toxicity?
Speaker 2 (16:52):
A mentor can be an absolute lifeline in these situations.
They offer invaluable wisdom and experience, often because they've likely
netvigated similar challenges themselves.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Right, they've seen it before exactly.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
They serve as a trusted ally, someone you can talk
to you confidentially. They can provide constructive feedback on how
you're handling things, foster accountability for your goals like sticking
to your boundaries, and help expand your professional network in
healthier directions away from the toxic core.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
That sounds incredibly valuable. So ultimately, it's about connecting with
like minded professionals to cultivate a community that truly nurtures
growth and resilience rather than draining it. Precisely, moving into
the final section of the book, the power of New
Beginnings is a core message. It's about shifting from mere
survival to actually thriving. How does the book frame that transition.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yes, the book powerfully shows how embracing change, whether it's
changing your mindset, your role, or even your workplace, allows
us to reclaim our narrative, to stop being defined by
the toxic experience and start redefining our goals, values, and
the way we engage with the world. It's not just
about reacting anymore, but actively shaping your future. It also
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discusses learning from past experiences, extracting the wisdom without dwelling
on the pain, and critically setting goals for your future
that align with this newfound purpose and values rather than
just chasing external validation or old definitions of success.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
And what's particularly fascinating here, I think, is how the
book challenges us to redefine success and happiness after toxicity.
I imagine many of us might link success simply to
getting out of the toxic situation, but the book suggests
something deeper.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Right, that's absolutely right. Toxic environments often badly distort our
perception of self worth and achievement. They can make us
believe that just tolerating hardship is a mark of strength,
or that success is only about climbing a certain ladder.
The book guides you to consciously reflect on those past
definitions of success, which might have been purely external promotions
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or salary or status, and redefines success based on your values.
It pushes you to prioritize things like inner peace and
self love over outside affirmation, really shifting the goalpost from
external validation to genuine internal fulfillment and well being. It's
quite a radical reevaluation for many people, it sounds like it.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah, so, once we've done that internal work redefined success,
what does a truly thriving life look like? According to
doctor Howe, after moving beyond toxicity, Well.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
It involves actively fostering positive relationships, nurturing those connections built
on trust and mutual support through open communication, genuinely celebrating
other successes, and of course maintaining those healthy boundaries we
talked about earlier. It's also about maintaining your personal empowerment
day to day. This means cultivating a positive mindset, developing
assertiveness and expressing your needs, and consistently engaging in self
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care practices whatever recharges you. It's an ongoing, active commitment
to your own well being, not a destination you just
arrive at.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
And the book concludes with this really powerful idea of
celebrating your journey. Why is that specific step so important
after experiencing and overcoming toxicity.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
It's crucial because it reframes the experience. This involves reflecting
on your growth, acknowledging every single step forward, no matter
how small it felt at the time. You survived, you learned,
you grew. The book encourages you to use your story
not as a mark of victimhood, but potentially to inspire
others who might be going through something similar. It reminds
us powerfully that your emotional scars may be a part
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of your story, but They do not define who you are.
They are actually a testament to your resilience and your
strength in choosing a different path.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Wow. What an incredibly rich and genuinely actionable deep dive
into Letting Go. A Professional Woman's Guide to Surviving Toxicity
by shoe Chin how PhD. From really nailing down what
toxicity looks like to empowering ourselves with boundaries forgiveness and
redefining our entire outlook on success, this book offers a
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truly clear and compassionate pathway.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Indeed, doctor Howe, with her diverse background science, writing, music,
She's crafted a really comprehensive guide. It speaks directly to
the often unspoken challenges professional women face, and her insights
are deeply practical.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
That's right and listeners should know. Doctor Howe is also
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platform driven by this deep passion for making education accessible
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That's right kokushingsan dot net. It offers a really wide
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Their mission is all about fostering personal development professional growth
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Speaker 1 (21:57):
So what does this all mean for you? Listening means
means you absolutely have the power to break free from
negativity and reclaim your piece, your energy, your career path.
We highly encourage you to explore shoe Chin How's book
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Speaker 2 (22:16):
Remember, you deserve healthy boundaries and a brighter future. The
journey of letting Go, as the book says, is continuous.
It's not always easy, but with the right tools, the
right mindset and support, you really can transform these challenges
into opportunities for profound growth. Embrace the possibility of a
future where you truly thrive surrounded by supportive and nurturing environments.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
It is possible. Well said. Until next time, keep digging
deeper into what truly empowers.
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Hey everyone, and welcome back to the deep Dive. Glad
to be here today. We're cracking open a really essential
guide for anyone navigating the complexities of their professional world.
We're taking a deep dive into shoe chen house insightful
book Letting Go, a professional woman's guide to Surviving toxicity.
Our mission to pull out the most powerful, actionable nuggets
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that will help you not just recognize toxic influences, but
truly release them and rise above, reclaiming your energy and
well your potential.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
It's such a critical topic, isn't it. Absolutely This deep
dive offers a framework not just for pinpointing what's toxic,
but for understanding the profound, often hidden impact it has
on our entire higher well being, mental, physical, and of
course professional. What's particularly insightful about doctor Hy's approach is
how she frames Letting Go not as an act of resignation,
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you know, but as a courageous step towards self love
and profound personal growth. It's really about taking back control.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
That's a really powerful reframing. Okay, so let's unpack this
journey from merely surviving to actually thriving. Where does the
book begin its exploration of toxicity, Like, how does it
define it?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Well? It starts by clearly defining toxic relationships not just
as like bad interactions, but as consistent patterns of behavior
that fundamentally undermine your self esteem, drain your energy, and
disrupt your emotional well being. Okay, the core, as the
book emphasizes, is a persistent lack of respect and support.
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What's truly insightful here isn't just that these behaviors exist,
but how the book kind of dissects the underlying power
dynamics that make them so incredibly hard to recognize, sometimes,
especially maybe for professional women who might be conditioned to
take one for the team or avoid conflict.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I can totally see that it's not always the obvious
like shouting matches we often picture. Is it?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
No, not at all?
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Can you give us an example of how this lack
of respect might subtly show up in a workplace?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Precisely? The book argues that passive aggressive communication, for instance,
is far more insidious than outright conflict because it creates
this constant, low level hum of anxiety. Right think of
the backhanded compliment that was a surprisingly good presentation considering
the short notice, or the colleague who consistently forgets to
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include you on important email chains, sort of subtly isolating you.
These aren't just minor annoyances. The book frames them as
systemic issues that slowly erode trust and morale. They make
you question your own perceptions rather than confront a clear problem.
It's that death by a thousand cut scenario.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
The book outlines that rings so true, and often those
subtle signals they make his deat ourselves, don't they?
Speaker 2 (03:00):
They really do?
Speaker 1 (03:02):
So what are the clear indicators the book gives us
first spotting these these stealthy energy drains before they take
too big a toll.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Well beyond the passive aggression, Doctor Howse highlights common signs
like excessive criticism, where feedback feels more like a personal
attack than actual constructive input, or outright manipulation. Another crucial
indicator she points out is the presence of fear and
anxiety among team members, or a culture where gossip and
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negativity are just pervasive.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Like walking on eggshells.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Exactly, these are environments where people walk on eggshells. If
we zoom out a bit, these aren't just individual behaviors.
There's symptoms of a broader, unhealthy system that actively erodes trust.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
And often, as you mentioned, there's that sense of isolation,
being consistently excluded from discussions or decision making. Ultimately, the
book tells us to trust your instincts, but in those environments,
trusting your gut can be incredibly difficult, right. The book
offers strategies for validating those gut feelings when everything around
you makes you second guess yourself.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
That's a really crucial point. The book absolutely acknowledges that
our instincts can get clouded by fear or just conditioning. Yeah,
so it doesn't just say trust your gut. It gives
you a practical framework for validating those instincts. It suggests
cross referencing your feelings with small objective observations, like maybe
tracking how often certain behaviors actually happen, or noticing your
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own physical reactions like tension or that feeling of dread
before meeting.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Okay, that makes sense, little data points.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Right, And it also strongly encourages confiding in a trusted,
neutral third party, someone outside the situation, for validation. That
helps turn that vague unease into actionable awareness.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
That makes so much sense, because this isn't just about
feeling bad, is it? It has real tangible consequences for
your career, especially as the book highlights for professional women
who are already navigating so much. What is the books
say about that specific impact?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Absolutely? The book notes that toxicity can stifle creativity and
collaboration simply because people are too afraid to speak up
or take risks. This inevitably leads to burnout, anxiety, and
a decrease in overall job satisfaction. But more critically, it
can hinder career advancement.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
How does that happen?
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Well, When you're constantly on guard, expending energy just defending
yourself or navigating these political mind fields, you have less
capacity left over to innovate, network effectively, or showcase your
full potential, so you end up feeling sidelined or overlooked.
It really raises an important question, how can you truly
achieve your goals and thrive when you're constantly just fighting fires?
Speaker 1 (05:43):
It's such a profound drain. Okay, So the book then
outlines the cost of holding on, and it sounds quite
stark emotionally and mentally. What exactly happens when we internalize
and tolerate this negativity day after day?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Well, the daily grind of negativity leads to a profound
sense of fatigue and self doubt. It's not just feeling tired,
it's like this deep weariness that settles into your bones.
This chronic stress can absolutely manifest as anxiety and depression,
creating this vicious cycle of self criticism. The book stress
is the importance of recognizing, and this is key that
their behavior is a reflection of them, not you. That's
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a crucial first step in breaking that cycle.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Otherwise you start believing the toxic narrative.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Exactly, We start believing the narratives created by that environment, and.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
It goes beyond just how we feel. I was really
struck by how interconnected at all is the emotional, the mental,
and then, maybe surprisingly for some, the physical. The book
really drives home the physical side of holding onto toxicity.
What's the connection there?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
It absolutely does. It emphasizes that this isn't just about
grinning and bearing it. It's about understanding the cumulative effect,
the biological effect, really right, The book explicitly states that
persistent negativity and stress trigger your body's fight or flight response,
keeping it switched on constantly, constantly. This can cause fatigue, headaches,
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and muscle tension. Even escalating to things like increased heart
rate and elevated blood pressure as your body stays in
this constant state of alert, and perhaps most insidiously, it
can lead to a weakened immune system, making you more
susceptible to getting sick.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Chronic stress, as the book details, disrupt sleep patterns, which
further impacts our ability to perform and recover. It literally
remodels your brain and body over time if it goes unchecked.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
That's such a powerful point. It's not just a bad day,
it's a systemic drain on your entire life force and professionally,
beyond just hindering advancement. What are the other insidious costs
of staying in these toxic environments?
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Oh, the book details a whole host of professional repercussions.
It talks about undermining confidence, which then leads to self
censorship and a reluctance to take initiative.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Right, you play it safe exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
This kind of environment can also lead to spreading negativity
among colleagues, creating distrust or fostering a pervasive culture of fear.
All of this results in disillusionment and disengagement, where employees
just clock in and out doing the bare minimum to
get by.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Just surviving, just surviving.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
The long term impact is huge, missed opportunities for advancement,
diminished creativity, and a noticeable lack of motivation. Ultimately, it
can lead to stalled careers and limited professional networks, effectively
trapping you.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Okay, So if staying put is so incredibly costly, where
do we even begin to shift things? The book makes
a compelling case that it all starts from within, with
a kind of internal mapping. It talks about identifying your triggers.
What does that really involve?
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Right? It's about self reflection for clarity, but maybe more
than that, it's about understanding what truly ignites your passion
versus what just grains it.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
The book urges us to ask what truly matters to
you in both your personal and professional life, because toxicity
often directly violates those core values. Journaling is suggested as
a therapeutic process to identify recurring themes and emotions that
surface when you encounter these toxic interactions.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Ah like tracking the patterns exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
This deep self awareness allows you to proactively protect your
emotional well being and start to differentiate between emotions that
actually serve you and those that are just draining you,
usually because they're triggered by something external.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
And building self awareness isn't a one and done thing,
is It sounds like it's an ongoing journey. Definitely.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
It involves seeking feedback but from trusted sources, people who
have your best interests at heart, Practicing mindfulness through things
like meditation to stay present, and genuinely recognizing it's an
ongoing journey of self discovery. It's about consistently checking in
with yourself rather than just reacting to external stimuli all the.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Time, and that introspection that leads directly to another crucial step.
The book highlights empowering yourself with self compassion. I think
many of us, especially high achievers, are much harder on
ourselves than on others.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Absolutely, and the book argues that cultivating self compassion is fundamental.
It means offering yourself the kindness and understanding that you deserve,
especially when you're struggling. It involves using mindfulness to counter
that harsh inner critic we all have sometimes and practicing
self acceptance. It creates a foundation of resilience. Basically, it's
about treating yourself with the same empathy and support you'd
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offer a good friend going through the same thing.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
That foundation of self compassion then critically allows us to
start developing healthy boundaries. The book has this great line,
boundaries are not walls that isolate us. Instead, they are
protective barriers. Can you elaborate on the types of boundaries
and why they're so vital, particularly in a toxic environment.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Yeah, that's a great quote. The book doesn't just list boundaries.
It emphasizes that they are absolutely essential for preserving your
energy and your sense of self when you're dealing with toxicity.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Right.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
It breaks down various types of boundaries physical, emotional, time, mental, digital,
and workplace specific ones.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Digital ones feel huge.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
These days, they really are. Digital boundaries are often the
first to erode, subtly, blurring work and personal life until
there's no distinction. The book offers a surprising tactic here,
not just no emails after eight pm, but designating specific
sacred zones in your home or even times in your
day where devices are entirely off limits.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
So interesting.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, it's about retraining your brain and crucially retraining your
colleagues's expectations of your availability. For any boundary to be effective,
the book provides a step by step guide on how
to set empowering boundaries, emphasizing clear and specific communication using
eye statements like I can't take on this project right
now because I need to focus on my current tasks
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to meet the deadline.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
That specific wording is so helpful. Building on that, a
really crucial strategy from the book is the art of
saying no. This can be so incredibly hard for so
many of us, especially again professional women who often feel
that pressure to always agree and be helpful.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
It truly is challenging culturally, personally it's tough. Yeah, But
the book frames saying no not as a refusal or
being difficult, but as an assertion of your boundaries and
a commitment to your well being.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
That's a good way to think about it.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
It suggests pausing before you automatically say yes, give yourself
space to actually assess the request against your priorities and
your capacity, and then communicating your decision with clarity and respect.
This isn't about being confrontational. It's about protecting your time
and energy, and critically, it's about creating space for opportunities
that do align with your goals and values. It's really
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an act of self preservation.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
And then perhaps surprisingly for some readers of a professional guide,
the book brings up practicing forgiveness. For many, that might
feel like letting someone off the hook or condoning bad behavior.
What's the book's unique take on forgiveness here?
Speaker 2 (12:50):
That's a really important distinction the book makes. It clarifies
that forgiveness is not about condoning negative behavior, but about
releasing the hold that resentment has you.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Ah, okay, it's for you exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
It's an active, conscious choice for your personal piece, especially
when the person who wronged you isn't even aware, or
maybe they're not sorry. It's about disentangling your well being
from their actions, allowing you to move forward without carrying
that heavy emotional baggage. The book acknowledges it's not easy,
not at all, but it positions it as a powerful
internal tool for reclaiming your piece.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
So, once you've gone through all these internal shifts, the
self awareness, the compassion, setting those crucial boundaries, maybe even forgiveness,
how does the book guide you to put it all
into practice? Consistently? It suggests creating an action plan exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
This isn't just about theory. It's about making it real
with concrete steps. It means identifying specific areas of distress,
which interactions or situations drain you the most, then setting
smart goals specific, measurable, attainable, relevant, and time bound related
to those areas. Can you give an example, sure, If
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say a specific colleague's constant gossip is a major distress area,
a smart goal might be for the next week, when
this colleague starts gossiping, I will politely excuse myself within
one minute, using a pre planned phrase like I need
to get back to X. I'll track how many times
I do this and note any changes in my stress
levels by Friday.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Oh that's very specific.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, it's about taking proactive steps towards change, however small,
and building momentum from there. It makes it feel less overwhelming.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
That really brings it to life. Okay, now let's talk
about navigating the external world, especially navigating workplace toxicity. The
book delves into helping us identify toxic colleagues. First, what
are some of the key trades A highlights, and what's
the book's advice for dealing with them? Sort of head
on or maybe not head on.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Well, it details common traits like chronic gossip, playing the
blame game constantly, and consistently engaging in manipulative behavior.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
The energy vampires.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Pretty much, these are the people who seem to thrive
on creating drama or shifting response onsibility. When we zero out,
these behaviors undermine the entire team's productivity and morale, not
just the people they target directly. Now, the book doesn't
necessarily suggest you confront every single instance that could be
exhausting and counterproductive. Rather, it suggests you learn to choose
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to rise above the fray and focus on uplifting conversations.
It's more about refusing to be drawn into their negative orbit,
managing your own.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Response, disengaging strategically, yeah, and handling off as politics is
another mindfield Entirely, the book suggests it's not about joining in,
but about something else.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
It's absolutely not about playing the same game. The book
advises building strong, authentic relationships based on trust and respect,
focusing on effective and transparent communication, and leaning heavily on
your self awareness and emotional intelligence.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
So being savvy but ethical.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Exactly, It's about being observant, understanding the dynamics at play,
but consciously choosing not to participate in the negative, undermining
aspects its strategic engagement not toxic entanglement, Okay.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
To counteract all this toxicity, the book clearly stresses building
a supportive network, starting with finding your tribe. What does
that look like in practice? How do you find this tribe?
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Well, it means intentionally surrounding yourself with individuals who genuinely uplift,
support and inspire you. It's about being conscious and curated
about your personal and professional circles. The book emphasizes that
quality trump's quantity. One or two truly supportive people are
far more valuable than a wide circle of indifferent or
even draining acquaintances. And it's about being proactive and nurturing
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these positive relationships through mutual respect, showing up for them,
and genuine connection.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
It takes effort, and the importance of mentorship also comes
up as a vital part of that network. How does
a mentor fit in, specifically for navigating toxicity?
Speaker 2 (16:52):
A mentor can be an absolute lifeline in these situations.
They offer invaluable wisdom and experience, often because they've likely
netvigated similar challenges themselves.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Right, they've seen it before exactly.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
They serve as a trusted ally, someone you can talk
to you confidentially. They can provide constructive feedback on how
you're handling things, foster accountability for your goals like sticking
to your boundaries, and help expand your professional network in
healthier directions away from the toxic core.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
That sounds incredibly valuable. So ultimately, it's about connecting with
like minded professionals to cultivate a community that truly nurtures
growth and resilience rather than draining it. Precisely, moving into
the final section of the book, the power of New
Beginnings is a core message. It's about shifting from mere
survival to actually thriving. How does the book frame that transition.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yes, the book powerfully shows how embracing change, whether it's
changing your mindset, your role, or even your workplace, allows
us to reclaim our narrative, to stop being defined by
the toxic experience and start redefining our goals, values, and
the way we engage with the world. It's not just
about reacting anymore, but actively shaping your future. It also
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discusses learning from past experiences, extracting the wisdom without dwelling
on the pain, and critically setting goals for your future
that align with this newfound purpose and values rather than
just chasing external validation or old definitions of success.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
And what's particularly fascinating here, I think, is how the
book challenges us to redefine success and happiness after toxicity.
I imagine many of us might link success simply to
getting out of the toxic situation, but the book suggests
something deeper.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Right, that's absolutely right. Toxic environments often badly distort our
perception of self worth and achievement. They can make us
believe that just tolerating hardship is a mark of strength,
or that success is only about climbing a certain ladder.
The book guides you to consciously reflect on those past
definitions of success, which might have been purely external promotions
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or salary or status, and redefines success based on your values.
It pushes you to prioritize things like inner peace and
self love over outside affirmation, really shifting the goalpost from
external validation to genuine internal fulfillment and well being. It's
quite a radical reevaluation for many people, it sounds like it.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah, so, once we've done that internal work redefined success,
what does a truly thriving life look like? According to
doctor Howe, after moving beyond toxicity, Well.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
It involves actively fostering positive relationships, nurturing those connections built
on trust and mutual support through open communication, genuinely celebrating
other successes, and of course maintaining those healthy boundaries we
talked about earlier. It's also about maintaining your personal empowerment
day to day. This means cultivating a positive mindset, developing
assertiveness and expressing your needs, and consistently engaging in self
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care practices whatever recharges you. It's an ongoing, active commitment
to your own well being, not a destination you just
arrive at.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
And the book concludes with this really powerful idea of
celebrating your journey. Why is that specific step so important
after experiencing and overcoming toxicity.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
It's crucial because it reframes the experience. This involves reflecting
on your growth, acknowledging every single step forward, no matter
how small it felt at the time. You survived, you learned,
you grew. The book encourages you to use your story
not as a mark of victimhood, but potentially to inspire
others who might be going through something similar. It reminds
us powerfully that your emotional scars may be a part
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of your story, but They do not define who you are.
They are actually a testament to your resilience and your
strength in choosing a different path.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Wow. What an incredibly rich and genuinely actionable deep dive
into Letting Go. A Professional Woman's Guide to Surviving Toxicity
by shoe Chin how PhD. From really nailing down what
toxicity looks like to empowering ourselves with boundaries forgiveness and
redefining our entire outlook on success, this book offers a
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truly clear and compassionate pathway.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Indeed, doctor Howe, with her diverse background science, writing, music,
She's crafted a really comprehensive guide. It speaks directly to
the often unspoken challenges professional women face, and her insights
are deeply practical.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
That's right and listeners should know. Doctor Howe is also
the visionary founder of kukushums On Ltd, which is a
platform driven by this deep passion for making education accessible
to everyone.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
That's right kokushingsan dot net. It offers a really wide
array of educational content, things like ebooks, audiobooks, online courses,
podcasts like this one, and even specialized English learning resources
for kids.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Their mission is all about fostering personal development professional growth
and financial independence through accessible education. It really ties into
the themes of empowerment in her book.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Absolutely, and when you engage with Kokushingsan dot net, you're
not just investing in your own learning and future, but
you're also supporting a larger cause committed to social equity, education, accessibility,
and sustainable development. It's got a great mission behind it.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
So what does this all mean for you? Listening means
means you absolutely have the power to break free from
negativity and reclaim your piece, your energy, your career path.
We highly encourage you to explore shoe Chin How's book
Letting Go, and definitely check out the incredible resources and
the mission over at cophishing zon dot net.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Remember, you deserve healthy boundaries and a brighter future. The
journey of letting Go, as the book says, is continuous.
It's not always easy, but with the right tools, the
right mindset and support, you really can transform these challenges
into opportunities for profound growth. Embrace the possibility of a
future where you truly thrive surrounded by supportive and nurturing environments.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
It is possible. Well said. Until next time, keep digging
deeper into what truly empowers.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
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