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Speaker 1 (00:20):
Hello, and welcome to a brand new episode to Look Forward.
I'm your host, Jay, I'm here with my co host Brad.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I wonder how many more case files will be released
by the Department of Justice to distract going on this week?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
So many squirrels, so many squirrels.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Like, just so many squirrels.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Just please, for the love of gun, do you guys
like Martin Luther King just look over there, over there,
we'll talk about it. Look, obviously, the biggest story is
very famous pedophile and his relationship to Jeffrey Epstein. And
so yeah, thank you. I'll be here all week. So
(01:04):
obviously that's the biggest story. That's the big news. Of course,
how our format works, that's what we're gonna get into
normally right up front. However, there was something else that
happened that we were gonna say for the later part
of the show. But I have a feeling that people
are gonna at least want to know our thoughts on it.
So we're gonna talk about this upfront, but it's not
our biggest story, which is they decided to put twenty
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members of the Hitler Youth in a room with a
political pit bull known as Mehdi Hassen and it went
about as good as I don't know I could have
ever hoped. So, yeah, this is one of these Jubilee
surroundeds where Mehdi Hassen debated twenty far right conservatives as
they were labeled. Bret, what were your thoughts overall on this?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah, so normally so like I'm not in for these
like Jubilee things typically like they're usually rage bait. The
only time that I've watched that there is when it's
feature personalities that I like a lot because I want
to hear like how they handle going into the peribial
lions den to see like how their arguments will hold
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up against rating lunatics and so like I watched the
Pete boodhaj Edge one. I thought that was really interesting.
I watched the Sam Seed one.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Now that's my favorite.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Of course is great, right because of course that had
him like the jimming the camera like like me at
that point, which was fucking great. And I had to
watch this one because I really like Mediissan a lot,
and and the dude is like one of our top
tier like debaters interviewers, like like what had you like?
(02:45):
Like Jay? And I have long said this is a
guy that people who interview public figures for a living
should like study this, study his technique, read his book
like like like like on how to win debates and
shit like that, because he doesn't do anything like crazy,
Like he just debates very intelligently, forces people to not
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you know, go off on tangents and hear the conversation
away and prop up straw man and stuff like that,
and to call them out on their bullshit, and he
comes prepared with facts.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Yeah, dude, is a confute.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Which undermindes a lot of conservative arguments in this day
and age because they don't cite. But what I found
interesting about this specific uh one over some of the
other ones I've seen so so the the weird thing
about Jubilee right is that I feel so I know,
I don't have to think it like they they kind
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of draw from the same pool of like not known
content creators but like the next tier down right essentially
like like.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Like ironically helping them, ironically helping them boost them up too.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Correct like like like like if if jay I lived
in California, like we could ostensibly be in like the
fucking octagon.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
The octagon throwing apples right like that.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Right, so like that that's what they do. So as
a result of that, for the for the few of
these that I've watched with people Judge, with Sam Seeter
and with medi Hassen, there's been some people who have
been on multiple of these, so you've gotten to see
how they how they react in different circumstances. And what
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I found particularly interesting about this is that and maybe
this is recency bias on my behalf, but I don't
remember a lot of these people throwing as much vitriol
at some of the other you know, guests that I've
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had on as they did with many asan Now, that
could be because medi Assan is a more aggressive debater
and they were getting slustered, but it could also be
that there is one thing that's different about Bedi Hassan
that is not the same about Pee, Peter Judge or
Sam Zeer.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yeah, now, I okay, I will weirdly give them credit.
They were also really shitty and really disrespectful. And look,
he's also a disrespectful guy too. When Destiny was on there, right,
because Destiny is I believe bisexual or what have you,
and I think so, and like a couple of the
people just got up there and they were like, yeah,
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but you slept with that one dude, or you had
an open relationship with your wife and that other guy
was banging your wife. It's like, is this a question?
Like what the fuck are we doing right now? It
was like really weird because they didn't have anything, so
they just attacked him as like personally, as like this guy,
this guy lets the other men sleep with his wife
in an open relationship. He's like, yes, okay, I'm the
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guy you voted for. Were still a fucking fashist. I
don't know what you want me to do here. So
there's like that, But it's the same thing, right, like
this idea of like, oh, this person's not you know,
this person's not straight, or this person has whatever lifestyle
that we deem is unacceptable. In medi's case, existing and
being brown and being critical of the United States and
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also being an immigrant. Those are things that like they
find reprehensible, so they just we don't want you here
type of shit, And it's because they're troglodites, right. These
are knuckle dragging morons, and almost none of them had
any point whatsoever. There is one or two times that
somebody had a I wouldn't even say a decent point,
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but they had what was the whispers of an idea
of a point, and it was like okay, but the
rest of the time it was a but it was
twenty people or however many people actually got to speak
with like half baked ideas, rumors and conjecture, just assertions
they weren't based in any sort of facts or anything.
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Uh piss poor opinions, and then just outright bigotry and
also just like I don't know shit, like just general ignorance. Right,
So there's a lot of and.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
And not and not to mention, just like the most
people that I've seen on a platform like this just
out and out being like, yeah, no, I am I
am pro autocracy. I am yeah, like I like I
think democracy is bad. Actually yeah, kind of bullshit.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Well, and also like at the same time calling themselves Americans,
saying that they're the true Americans, like, well, they're Native Americans.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Like that was fucking insane. The guys like I am
a native.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
White people are Native Americans.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I'm like, you're white?
Speaker 1 (07:49):
The fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Like, and I appreciate many of asan saying what more
liberals need to fucking say more littles of progress is
when they find themselves in these against any conservatives, be
they just regular people or elected officials or whatever. He literally says,
I don't think you're American based on values and yeah,
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and you know, like and telling the whole group basically
like we are all Americans, whether you like it or not,
like you may not like it, but the fact that
this is our country, like all of them.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Yeah, yeah, because yeah, he corrected the one guy and
he was like, like, this is you know, this is
my country. He goes, it's not your country. It's our country.
And like I understand in the mind of like a
dead brain conservative, they're like, oh, you're saying ours in
like the immigrants, Like no, he's saying our. It's all
of us. You ask, well, you don't get to claim
like you don't get to claim it just because you're white,
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right and have done nothing. You've done nothing to earn
your citizenship except for your mom, uh shut you out
on a bed. So it's you know, orjourney to be fair.
So like, there's a number of things about this debate
that I found interesting. One of them and you said,
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you think you might share the same opinion. So I'd
be interested to know what you what is your thing
that you you that this was an opinion of doings?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
That is it?
Speaker 1 (09:13):
That?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Like? Boy, it sure is weird that when the breath
goes on there, all of a sudden, people get people
have no problem showing their ass.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Oh yeah, they get real bold, they get real bold.
I'm like again again, I think people should get punched
in the face when they're young so they can learn
not to be opitual line steppers. That's my subway take.
If I'm ever on that show, that will be the
thing that I say. By the way, that's a great
series on Instagram. It's very funny. So yes that I
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agree with you. The other thing, I would say, I
have two points here. One so they have this rule.
If you've never watched around it, it's interesting. They have
this rule where when the particular person METI is debating
a person, the other nineteen people all have the potential
to raise these fl ironically red flags when they do that,
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and you can see, like in the left hand corner,
you'll see it going up once it reaches the majority
of those nineteen people. Right when ten of them are raised,
then the person who sat down against mehdi, they get
voted off right, they're like, all right, ever, because like
maybe you're you're just kind of not making a point
and it's kind of a waste of time. They all
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don't agree with you whatever, they boot you out, right.
I just want to point out that of all the
people that went, I think it was two times, maybe
one or two times that that didn't happen, they voted
every single person out in almost in almost every case.
And you can say, oh, well, you know whatever, they
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want a chance to speak, but that's not that common.
It's actually not common at all. And what that tells
me is something that we already know and we talk about.
Fascists don't like each other either, right, they don't. They
don't get along with themselves. I thy could clap it
up in a moment, but that's why ultimately it they
every fascist regime ends up eating itself and destroying its
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own people because they don't fuck with people either, because
it is a selfish, destructive ideology. So they are fast
friends when it is convenient, but when you start to
dig into the details, they don't agree with a lot
of other shit either. Like you listen to the varying
opinions of crazy, because they're all crazy, but the varying
degrees are crazy, and you're like, h like, I mean,
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there was one moment where Matti points out he was
like the one guy's like, well, I think we should
get rid of the fourteen Amendment. He's like, all right,
what would that look like? Like what's your mechanism to
replace it? He didn't have a fucking clue, right, because
he's just thinking of changing shit. He's not thinking anything else.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I think. Well, the argument was I think we should
get your birthright citizenship creed and medi sounds like for everyone,
and he's like yeah, for everyone. He's like, okay, so
what does that mean for like regular like natural born
Americans that are also born to American citizens, like like citizens.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Yeah, he was like yeah, he was like high school,
they'll take a test.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah, they'll take a citizen shit test. He's like, all right,
what are they until that point? Documented migrants?
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Right? And also he was like, and what happens when
they don't pass it? Well, they can't get government jobs,
Like wait, they can't get government jobs, Like, but they're
not citizens. Shouldn't they be leaving? So you're just kicking
out millions of people? Do they only get one shot
at this test? Like high school? Are you sure about this?
And Mattie's boy was like, I think the brown kids
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are probably gonna win, and like maybe a lot of
white kids getting booted out. But here's the thing, he's
not wrong. He's not wrong because these motherfuckers don't know
how the government works and they're in this debate. That's
the wild shit. They don't even understand how the government work.
Do you think the average fucking dumb kid in America?
Like you ever seen those like word on you know,
people on the street, like what are the three branches
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of government? Most people don't even know that shit? Who's
the vice president? Dude?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Bro?
Speaker 1 (12:59):
I don't even jump joke.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
All the time. Like if you ask the I mean
even today, Like you could go out to a street
in it doesn't matter if it's a big city or
a smart town like a rural town and ask them, hey,
what are the three branches of the federal government? I
guarantee you that a majority of people would tell you.
Executive Congress saidate like yeah, is that not right?
Speaker 1 (13:23):
I don't know? Yeah right? Like but they just they
wouldn't know, and so my other my second observation is
this a fifty eight minutes If you watch this is
an hour and forty minutes and fifty three seconds. But
if you fast forward this, but you shouldn't. You should
watch a whole fucking thing. You should look, dude, Rarely
do you get to see a murder on YouTube. I mean,
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come on, and there's like fourteen of them. It's amazing, right, Uh,
they should have changed its like Muslim Muslim immigrant killed
fourteen white people. I guess this is crazy. But if
you fast forward that Jubilee thing to fifty eight minutes
in fourteen seconds, you will see something fucking fascinating, which
is you will see someone have a come to Jesus
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moment in fucking real time. And is it this guy Edwin?
He sits down and he says he is. I believe.
I believe he's the kid who is a doctor kid.
He's a doctor recipient, right, He's a doctor recipient, right,
meaning he was brought to America like I think a
ten years old or something like that by his parents.
His parents were illegal immigants, right, He's he's only known
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America as far as.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
He can remember.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Right, When you listen to him talk. He is clearly like,
oh shit, I thought I was on the team, and
then you hear real fascist talk, and you hear real
right wingers talk. These are not your buddies in your pals.
These are the motherfuckers who hate your very existence. And
you could tell he didn't say it, but you can
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tell he deeply regretted being there. It was obvious. It
was obvious because he never questioned anything about what Mehdi
he said. All he did was ask him questions. He's like,
but what about this? And he's like, and he would explain.
He was calm, He never got He barely looked at him.
He barely looked at him, because you could tell there
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was a level of fucking shame in him. That is
a person learning in real time. So to me, outside
of METI Hissa kicking the shit out of all these people,
which I love it. I could watch it every day.
It would make my teeth white in the morning. Okay,
it was fucking wonderful. I like seeing that because that
is a person, that's a that's a human being.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Right.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
He may have fucked up, he may believe fucked up shit,
but I guarantee you something in that shit. Something sitting
around with those people. It got to him. And I
don't know if it'll change him, but it got to him.
And it's very obvious. I'm telling you watch that shit.
Fifty eight minutes you see him sit down. His name
is Edwin. He doesn't want to be associated with these people.
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Yeah good, that is the one person who may have
learned something there, and that's good.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
And you're right about that. But it was also remarkable,
like as like like it's funny because like like they
started like with the with the fascism at like an eleven,
and it actually like actually like level down that guy.
It was. It was. It was hilarious like watching people
come on who were just like holy shit, like I'm
pretty fucking radical, but I'm not. I'm not.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I'm not that fucking guy, Like holy shit.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Like there was one guy, like one of the dudes
who had some really fucked up opinions. As he was
debating Vedias on in like the little post interview that
they do with some of the people afterwards, did he
was like, yeah, I thought I was pretty right wing.
He's like, I don't. I guess I'm not as right
wing as I thought. I was listening to some of
these people like holy ship.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah, but look, man, if people like Edwin who have
lived in your living on that edge or whatever, like
good good. I hope I hope you learned the lesson.
It's the most calm reasonable part of the entire debate.
Like I have it on right now. You can see
many like yeah, come on, like he's trying to bring
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you over, dude, Like listen, man, these are the facts
he's trying and he's not. He's not hostile to the guy,
he's hostile to everybody else like that. And that's that's
a big difference.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Said the sad truth is, and you said, like you
hope that you know, this awakens something in that wind,
maybe changed him a little bit. So the problem is, though,
is that because of social media and because of kind
of the you know, the reinforcement mechanisms that social media
has over like kind of ingrading yourself with whatever camp
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you are aligned in, I wouldn't be surprised, like he's
not gonna always have a medios on there to be
able to point out all this bullshit like he's going
to go home, He's going to go back on Facebook
or back on four Chan or wherever the fuck he
he looks at and just kind of get like, like,
wear that shit like a warm blanket again, and he
might forget about that moment. Add to that, because it's
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easy to feel like you're part of the team when
when you're no one knows who you are or what
you look like like when you when you're just an avatar.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Yeah exactly, And I'm telling you, man, in that room,
that dude was like, oh fuck, I don't want to
be here. When you hear when you're hearing, when you
when you think that you when you walk into that situation,
everyone's like yeah, yeah, yeah, high five, Hell yeah, Bro,
We're gonna fucking tear this guy up. And then you
see people sit down and say, I don't think that
this person is an American because of the color of
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this kid. Bro, you and you and Mady are the
same color. Man, Like, you're not from the same places,
but you guys are the same color. You think they
hate him, but they like you. You out of your
fucking mind.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Well, And it's funny because he had a similar interaction
with that with the Iranian dude who immigrated over here,
who was in the same boat and he was trying
to like point out them, like I like, I get
that you disagree with me. He's like, but these got
everyone around the circle fucking hates you too, dude.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
But yeah, I'm trying to help you. And then that
guy was a gigantic piece of shit. He was a
gigantic Ah.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
You're trying to like turn them against me and he's like, no, dude, Like,
I'm just trying to tell you what what the what
the facts are. Yeah, and you've listened to the things
that they've said.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yeah, And also you think it's cool to like, wasn't
that the guy who was like, how do you know?
It's it's that the kids didn't have like suicide vests,
and so it was cool to like snipe little kids
in the head like he And that was the one
time medi got like legitimately pissed. He's like, I'm gonna
ask you for the fifth time, is this okay? Or
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is it not okay? And the guy's like, no, Yo,
this is the easiest answer of all time. Should snipers
shoot kids in the head? No? Look how easy? Look
look at me easy. You didn't even tell me who
the kids were, doesn't matter. It's fine. It's an easy answer.
But yeah, that was it was good. It was it
was a good I really enjoyed it. But I look,
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I hope I hope people like Edwin get a moment
to be like, all right, man, like you can be conservative.
I mean I think it's crazy, but you can be
conservative without being on this. This This is a different
This is a whole different thing. Bro, there's a whole
different thing.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
If I if you do not watch these normally, this
one is worth watching again, not only for the Catharsis
watching like the Harlem grow trotters fucking you know, destroy
the Washington generals. Like that's like that part.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
No, no a Harlem a Harlem glotter playing the entire
Washington entire seve.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
But also so you can just really see, like, no,
there are really people like this out there, like like
I know, like I know, it's we can kind of
like be like ah, like you know, we we hear
some crazy shit, but like getting to see it and
people like say that ship with their chests, which hey,
I have plawed them for doing it, so we can know,
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we can know where you stand, yeah, and act accordingly.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Yeah, and I hope you destroy your old your whole lives.
I really do. Oh, I'm guarantee there'll be people they
took us out of God good, good good, it's already
out there, baby, don't even were about it. I noticed
the guy who was on the Sam Cedar one where
he was like, the government pays you, the government gets
a text cut, the government, just get it. He was there.
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I was like, you don't want to stop up because
you ass got embarrassed the last time when you were
on with uh what's his face.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
From?
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Yeah, with Sam Ceter, like get the fuck out of it.
I was. I saw it back. I was like, come on,
because you're gonna get you thought Sam Cedar was bad.
You don't want no part of this, just to just
sit your ass down over there. Yeah. So that that
was very good, all right, But let's get into I
figured people would probably want to hear our opinions on it.
It was awesome. It was fucking wonderful. All right, into
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the news. The big story Donald Trump can't shake this
Jeffrey Epstein ship if he tried, and boy is he trying.
I love this for him. I love this, this, this feels,
this feels, this feels different than other things.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
It does so so this is, so this has been
going on for a couple of weeks where it started
with where I'm trying to think of what it's what
it's started with, because I feel I don't remember when
Bondi gave that interview where she's like, I've got the
Epstein client list on my desk, and then she like
tried to backtrack later and be like, no, I meant
like the entire file was on my desk, not just
the alleged client lists, right, And so I think when
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she said that, it kind of got the crazies on
the right clamoring for that infogend because they're like, hey,
wait a second, like, you guys did promise that once
you took control, like we were going to get to
see this shit. And remember too, that the White House
brought a lot of conservative you know what, many Assung's right,
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we shouldn't call them conservative anymore, a lot of radical
right wing influencers to the White House back in February, yes,
and provided them with like ooh, like here's some juicy
Epstein content, and like I remember, all the fucking right
wing people were like super excited about it, and then
they got home and actually read the shit and it's like, oh,
this is stuff that's all publicly available. You didn't give
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us anything new, just made us look like.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
As yeah, this was the this was the phase one,
Phase one make right wing influences look like butt heads
that they already are.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Right So so they so they were kind of pissed
about that. They're not big fans of fan body and
so they're they like the clamor had had started for
the past couple of weeks to talk about this, to
release this ship right, and and so the reporters started
picking it up because it's being talked about. More reporters
are asking Donald Trump about it, and Trump is like,
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why are you talking about old ship? Like We're like, like,
we're trying, We're trying to do We're trying to move on.
But then the big, the big megaton came on Thursday
because on Thursday Wall Street Journal published a story where
they had been shown a letter that Donald Trump wrote
to Jeffrey Epstein for Jeffrey Epstein's I think his fiftieth birthday.
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If I'm not mistaken. So did Bill Clinton, by the way,
and again, like right wingers are trying to be like,
oh gotcha, Bill Clinton did one too, We're like cool,
throw Bill Clinton under the jail. Two.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
I think, yeah, I could.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Not possibly care less, like it's fine. Oh no, So
so this letter is weird, right because I don't have
the full text in front of me because I don't
have a Wall Street Charles subscription. But basically it's Donald
Trump like writing an imaginary and imagined a conversation between
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him and Jeffrey Epstein where he talks about, hey, Jeffrey Epstein,
like we have certain things in common, don't we, And
Jeffrey Epstein's like, yes, we do, Donald, but I'm not
gonna say what that is because we both already know.
And he ends like the note with like, you know,
may every day be another wonderful secret Jeffrey Epstein, And
he apparently signed it uh with a doodle of a
(24:50):
naked woman with his first name signature uh signed as
like her pubic hair, which gross.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
But yeah, so like this really classy, dude, classy days.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
This this really weird, like over the top fucking thing,
which is which is, which was just strange from from
twenty plus years ago, right, So that reignited kind of
the firestorm around this, and as Jay mentioned, the administration
is literally doing anything they can to distract away from
(25:29):
this as much as possible. Today. I mean, I know
we're bouncing around the dock a little bit, but I
feel like we kind of have to talk about some
of the things they're doing essentially, so like to just
today as we're recording this, they've released two hundred and
thirty thousand pages of documents about the assassination of Martin
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Luther King Junior, against the family's wishes.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
By the way, yep, they've released don't bother listening to
the people who are directly connected to this and have
to deal with it.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
But sure they release Hillary Clinton email investigation files. They
allegedly are about to release like quote unquote Russia Gate files,
like from the Obama administration.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Oh, don't worry, we'll get there, We'll get there.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Yeah. Yeah, how the administration responded to Russia trying to
tamper with the US election, which to me, like this
specific tact is interesting because it shows me that the
DOJ is capable of releasing any files that they actually
want to.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Yeah, it's a really weird strategy, Like we have all
of these files we could release, Okay, you want, you
release the epste ones can you just read the Martin
Luther King junior ones and leave us alone, please, Like
you're telling people that you have the ability to do
it and then or that you don't have the ability
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or you won't release Epstein stuff. And then you turn
around and me like here's all of this, we're declassifying
all these other things, like what are you doing? Like
what who strategy is this? It's a strategy of an.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Idiot, right and and again like no surprise, like like
he put out a truth on true social like talking
and now this was not about the Epstein thing, but
you can tie it back to it of him. There's
a story that came out about how like Scott Bessant
was encouraging him not to fire J. Powell as head
(27:40):
of the Federal Reserve, which would be illegal by the way,
so that he did it. But he and he's like,
I'm seeing all this fake news story about like you know, Jay,
like Scott Beston telling me what to do. He's like,
Scott Beston doesn't tell me what to do. I tell
him what to do. Like like like like all the
one makedots.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
My my favorite clip of Trump around the Jerome poul
Ship is him saying like I was. I was shocked
when I saw the Jerome Paul was nominated. Smash cut Hi,
I'm Donald Trump, I'm nominated. Jerome Pole. It's like it
was you, it was you all along crazy, It's like,
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but yes.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
He he absolutely, I guarantee is dictating. Maybe not the
minutia strategy, but he just like release, release everything, like
put everything.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Up fire, fire everything except for that one thing. For
the love of God, please don't get that button.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
But here. But here's the funny thing is that it's
not working, Like it's not on the right that still
I want to see that ship. They're like, oh, that's cool,
thanks for this. Where's the Epstein ship? Like y'all promise
you were gonna you were gonna you were gonna expose
this stuff. Because again, like the and and that's the
core mistake that the campaign made leading up to it,
(28:58):
is that they were more than happy to use the
Epstein thing as a cudgel in the in the lead
up to the election because it served them to do
so and perpetuate the idea that oh, this is some
democratic deep state cover up. Like they're like, why didn't
you hear anything about it? During the Biden administration. Ohs,
because they're the ones that are actually trying to cover
(29:19):
up the information to protect all these elite democrats from
getting in trouble and stuff like that. So, by the way,
we're gonna By.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
The way, I actually had that question, like, yeah, I
didn't propose that on here. I had that question too,
And I'm like, you're gonna need You're gonna need to
be able to answer that. Right, there's a valid question.
Why did they not release it? I got my answer.
I looked it up because the documents were sealed until
Julane Maxwell's case came up in January of twenty twenty four.
That's why they didn't. Yeah, so all of that running
(29:49):
on it, you didn't have to run on it. You
chose to run on it because you knew that that
was gonna be fucking red meat for your base, Which
is fair, right, Like across do the same thing. Right,
they run they throw out me read me too. Not
as disgusting as what the right does, but they also
do that, right, any campaign does that. The problem is
(30:09):
when you come back and you say, oh, the other
guys didn't release it, Well, they legitimately had a reason
they didn't release it. Because they didn't have access to it.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Well also too, I think that the problem is that they,
and by they, I mean like the Trump folks thought
that like, once they got into power, they could just
be like, oh, don't worry, like we looked at the files,
nothing to see here. We promised you could trust us.
And they thought that their base would leave it at that,
because in fairness, they usually do like you usually as
(30:38):
long as like Trump says it, like they're just like,
oh cool, bet, like we trusted your leader, and they
move on. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
I mean, I mean, I think that there was legitimately
a good portion of the Trump base that thought that
Jeffrey Epstein died under Biden. Like I don't think that
they were No, I'm serious, I don't think because of
COVID and everything else. I think people forget that Jeffrey
Epstein killed himself under wink under the Biden administration, and
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so for them, like you listen to them and people
are just like, and he died under Trump. Wait a minute,
it's like, yeah, we all know that, but but like
when that happened, that's all COVID is going on. All
this shit's going on, and remember the immediate thing when
he died died, the immediate narrative from the right, from
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the administration was, well, Hillary Clinton mustn't have been involved,
The Clintons must have been involved. It's like, but he was.
You guys were in charge of the Bureau of Prisons.
What the fuck are you talking about? And I think
with all of that that happened, people just kind of
just memory hold the idea that like, he died under
(31:50):
your watch. So then when you put that alongside your
inability or excuse me, you're not inability, your unwillingness to
release this information, that starts to crank up even the
dumbest cult member's brain to go, I love a good conspiracy.
What the fuck is going on? Like you can't help
any right here, right and again, And they're in fact, right,
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there is.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Some release the they released the video of like the
prison cell the day that he was the day that
he died, and they're like, oh, and there's a minute missing,
and they're like, oh, we don't don't worry, Like that's
that same minute is missing in every videotape from the
Department of Corrections, and the tape itself like this where
the camera was angled was not actually pointing at his
cell and then come to find out, like Wired review
(32:33):
the metadata on the can on the video and turns
out that nearly three minutes of footage were cut out
of the of the quote unquote raw surveillance video that
you could that you could identify just by looking at
the videos medadata. It was edited in premiere. Do you
think that someone could slip into his cell that which
(32:53):
was not even the center of focus on the camera
and kill a dude in two minutes fifty three seconds? Absolutely?
Absolutely yeah, and and and slip out again. So, like
I said, if they're trying to tamp down the conspiracy theories,
they're really doing a pretty piss poor job. And so
(33:16):
then we then we get to the next stage of this.
So Trump is pissed off at the Wall Street Journal
for publishing this. They contacted him two days before they
published for comment, which his comment was, don't you dare
fucking publish that? Or I'm gonna fucking sue you piece
of shit?
Speaker 1 (33:33):
No, no, no, no, but you know what, go ahead,
go ahead.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
And and they published it anyway. Yeah, and now he's
suing Robert Murdock in the Journal for one hundred billion dollars.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Seems like a reasonable number.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yeah, it seems like a reasonable man number. Yeah. Here's
the interesting thing. I thought about this when they announced
the lawsuit, and then I saw Chris Hayes actually posted
the exact same thought later on Blue Skuy and you
shared it out there and we talked about that. There
is an interesting double standard that we haven't had to
care about in American politics up until this point.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
So I hadn't thought about this is actually a brilliant point.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Yeah, some of you might not be aware of this.
The president, the sitting president of the United States, cannot
be the defended, cannot be subject to civil suits while
they are in office. You guys may remember this from
when Clinton was president. He was kind of protected from
(34:36):
the with Jennifer Flowers lawsuit that she wanted to bring
against him, but they but she couldn't because the DJ
was like, yeah, you can't. You can't bring a civil
suit against the sitting president because if you could, then
presidents would just be probably fucking sitting here all day
defending off civil suits for you know, X, Y or Z,
and that's not really tenable when you try to run
(34:56):
the country. It's it's it's a sensible rule actually, but
there's no rule that the president can't sue somebody while
they're in office, which I find curious because if logically, like,
if they can't have a suit brought against them because
it would distract them from their duties as the president,
(35:19):
why is it then okay for them to file suit
against somebody else. Now people said, oh, Trump did this already.
He didn't. This is the first time that he's actually
filed a suit while he's been president. If you recall,
the other suits that he filed against ABC and against
CBS were filed before he previously actually sat an office.
(35:39):
They extended into his presidency because of how you know
how long it takes us legal system to work through
this shit. But you didn't actually filed the suits while
he was president. This is the first one he's filing
while he's the president. We haven't had to worry about
this because we haven't had a fucking insane person to
be president beforehand that was going to sue somebody into oblivion.
So it wasn't. It was again one of those famous
things that the found are just like, we don't have
(36:01):
to worry about.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Surely no one would vote for that guy like, well, right, but.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
You would think that given the fact that he can't
be sued, that he would be equally barred from being
able to sue other people as well, if for any
other reason, just to not be able to use the
presidency as a cudgel to attack news organizations who have
a free who have a First Amendment protected right to
(36:29):
publish stuff in.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Right, because what you're what you're basically saying is at
at this point, what you're basically saying is the president
is allowed to sue, but no one can counter sue
him either.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Right.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
That's bullshit, Like, that's that's bullshit. Yeah, that doesn't make
any sense. And and it's a great it's actually a
great point that both you and uh chrsee's mate. I
actually because I hadn't thought of that, and I saw
I was like, oh shit, that that's a that's that's
that's that's really smart. It helps when he's married to
(37:04):
a woman who was a fucking super lawyer.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
So also true. Now shockingly, well maybe not shockingly because apparently,
well it's it's kind of shocking he's going after, of
all people, Rupert Murdoch to this extent, one of his
one of the people that's responsible mostly for him being
where he is.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
You saying a shocking could argue you think a shocking.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Well, it's not shocking, it's it's it's just it's interesting.
Maybe it should be shocking for people in his orbit
as an instructive, as an instructive, and I remember that, say, hey,
doesn't matter how close you are to this guy, doesn't
matter how much you bend.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
The knee refer to him. You cross him once and
he will he will come after you, which is very
useful for Trump. It's very mob boss esque of him to,
you know, to to kind of throw that shit.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
I would bring him back to my earlier point about
the flags on the jubilee thing. They will all come
for you. They are not your friends like it is
you are. You are friends out of purely out of convenience.
You are compatriots out of convenience. And when I am
done with you, I am done with you. That being said,
(38:14):
and this is not on the docket.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
But that but that's but that's the that's the thing
that I find interesting. He's not done with Rupert Murdoch
still owns Fox News. Who is which which is?
Speaker 1 (38:27):
He needs? He needs them? That the Republican Party needs them.
But there there's also another aspect of this, and which
is why I said, I'm not that shocked, but it's
it's an unfair it's an unfair thing for me to
say that, because these events happened afterwards.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
JD.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Vance took a little trip to see the Murdoch's right
the other day. And some people think that that was
more of a like, hey, hey, hey, like, let's tall
down all this Epstein ship, like we gotta That's.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
True because because that that happened in the window between
the journal contacting Trump to let them know they were
publishing the story and the story actually being published. Now
Here's now Here's what's super interesting.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
I don't I don't think that's what that meaning was.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
By the way, probably not.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
I think it's something. I think it's far more than that.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
I will So I'm gonna give Rupert Murdoch props for
the first and probably only ever time in my life.
He apparently will meddle in like the Wall Street Journal's
like opinion pages. It's pretty widely known, but it's equally
as widely known that he does not fuck with editorial
like he he takes a complete hands off approach editorial
(39:42):
because I think he's smart enough to understand that in
order to have in order to maintain the credibility of
the Wall Street Journal, the world's foremost business newspaper or publication,
he can't like he knows he can't like the minute
he starts leaning in on editorial content.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
So it's over, well that, and that's the mistake bezos man, Right, yeah,
And I mean even even down to the cartoons being drawn,
he's like, I don't like that. So like this is
about my friend. It's like, all right, well, fuck you.
I think that meeting with Vance's is something more than that.
I don't think that that was just a hey, hey
guys down now. I think And and this is why
(40:26):
I said, I this Ebscee story feels different because he
can't get from under it. And every time he gets
a little bit, like peaks his head out a little
bit from under the fucking deluge of all the Epstein ship,
there's another story that comes out in connection to it.
And these are these aren't news stories. These are things
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that people on the right did not pay attention to
that came out while he was running. Which makes it
even worse because this stuff has already been heavily litigated,
so they're not They're not like, well, what about this work.
They're like, no, oh here, page one, page two, page,
Like they got so much information, but all that stuff
was put out and it was all kind of ignored.
(41:08):
Oh Hillary Clinton, fucking oh Kamala Harris, Joe Biden, it
all just it all got you know, Russia gat and on.
It all got pulled away, so they didn't pay attention
to it. But now there's just a daily slow drip
of this shit.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Right.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
That was the difference of what happened in twenty sixteen.
They tried to dump all of the Trump shot out
all at once, and people were just like, ah, it's
all faking fake. But when you and that this is
this is a testament to learning the lesson from Russia.
You slow drip the shit like they did with the
Hillary emails, and every day you're like, I think we're done.
Oh fuck, there's another scandal, like and that's what they're
(41:45):
doing with the Epstein shit, right, but these these are
old stories. They're bringing it all back, going back to
the Vance thing. I think a little bit of it
is like this ship may not be uh not be
able to hold water like you wanna play ball, you
wanna be on the team. Because if you want to
be on the team, we can help bury this guy
(42:07):
and get him the fuck out of here. Because it
feels like they've already gotten what forty something percent a
Project twenty twenty five done. I think that I think
they're done with him. You don't see too many people
running out. You don't see people running out to defend him.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Don't get me wrong, I'm not under some thought process.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Well I'm there. There's stuff. There's something that came out
before the podcast that we'll talk about in a second,
because it kind of ties into what Democrats are doing
with this. Yeah, but I don't think that you're as
correct as you think about Republicans are trying.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Oh I saw that they abandon their own their own
thing in the house, which is fucking hilarious. We're gonna
get the sea files. Don't worry about it. It's just
hilarious to me.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Let me let me talk about that real quick. So,
like Democrats are wisely realizing that this is a huge thing,
that this.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Isn't this is an open wound, this is.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Hitting him with and so what they've been doing is
they have been shoving a shipload of amendments in on
this legislation around releasing the f Scene files, which is
which Republicans are trying to stop from moving through Congress,
or they're trying to kill it on the on the
(43:20):
House floor, and Democrats keep adding like amendments and they
they're they're adding so many amendments and Republicans don't want
to have to face votes on them because it would
look real bad when they vote to keep this ship shielded.
That the Rules Committee who is the who is the
ones who determined like, hey, this amendment is legit, like
(43:40):
we can put this in here, whatever the case may be.
Not only did they shut down what they're doing for today,
they shut it down for a week because they don't
want to vote on these amendments. The Democrats are.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Place before this before before they go home.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
If I right, not only slows the Epstein stuff moving
through Congress, it slows down anything from moving through the
House because everything has to go through.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Yeah, no, that's fair. So what I will say is
this Congress has been pretty constantly like fucking up who
diving in front of Homer Simpson type of shit, right, Like,
no doubt about that. But I'm what I'm referring to
is thet the sort of outsized folks who often run
(44:34):
to his defense, like in the media. Right, you could say, oh, well,
people on Fox News, they're not like yo, their heart's
not in it. Their heart's not in it. And I
think I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
They're they're not defending him explicitly. They're defending him by
just not talking about it.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Yeah, I mean, I I guess right, Like they don't
talk about a lot of things, so you could you
could make that point.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
But but it's odd. They're not like the big but
to point like normally like a big story like this,
they're not.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
They're not running.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
They're just they're just not talking about.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Right, because it's because it's too damning. Also, it's a
dangerous fucking game. Right in the back of their heads.
They gotta be thinking, seven hundred and eighty seven million
dollars we paid last time was a fucking problem. We
just saw. We just saw, uh Jesse dirty Waters come
(45:26):
out and apologize for shitty he said about Gavin Newsom.
Because Gavin Newsom is like, look, I'm stealing Fox News.
I'm not fucking around, don't fucking talk shit about me,
and like I expect an apology within the week from
Jesse Waters and Jesse Wallers like you are corrector like
I'm very sorry, and guess what. Gavin Newsom's like, Yeah,
I'm still not gonna I'm still going for it, right,
(45:48):
which is the right fucking thing to do. That's an
asshole move and I love it. Make that motherfucker. Yeah. No,
he was like, yeah, I'm probably stoking forward. Yeah no.
He was like, no, I'm probably sooking forward, Like yeah,
do it? Fuck them? Fuck it? Oh do you been
to the knee? Thanks, and then kick him in the
fucking teeth. That's exactly what a right winger would do,
one hundred percent. Support it. If you're gonna be a
piece of shit, be a piece of shift for good,
no problem, no notes, Okay, but what I'm but my
(46:10):
larger point here is you don't have people running to
his defense. That normal group of folks right, like on
the docket, right just under the story is Marjorie Taylor Green.
He's probably a person who would chortle his balls if
given a chance. Is even saying like, bro, release the ship.
(46:35):
You gotta release the ship. We're gonna lose the fucking crew.
We're gonna lose Maga over this. Is she correct? She
might be She might She might be correct as far
as like losing a significant portion enough to do real damage. Right.
I don't think it's like he's gonna get completely abandoned,
but it feels different. And I think that these guys
(46:56):
like Rupert Murdock and stuff, they realize that they don't
need him in anymore. And that's a dangerous position for
Trump to be in. By the way, it's also a
dangerous position for the Republican Party to be in, because Trump,
with nothing to lose, is an incredibly dangerous person. Right.
A cornered animal is not a good It is not
a good fucking situation to be in. Like, you just
don't want to be dealing with someone like that, and
(47:17):
he's reckless. But I don't think that JD. Van's running
to talk to Rupert Murdoch. I don't think that was
to necessarily be like, hey, guys, let's all play together.
I don't think so. And maybe that was his plan,
I don't think so. I think I feel like there
is a notion of how can we get this guy
the fuck out of here. Do you want to be
(47:39):
You want to have all this power, you want to
be in charge, You want to fucking subjugate the masses,
you want to do all this shit, corporate fucking taxits
all that. That's all fine, right for them, that's all
fun and good. They a number one, that's what they want.
They don't want a guy given it to him being
a fucking pedophile. They don't. They don't. They don't, and
he looked. Even if they are, they don't want it
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in the public. They don't. They know.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
Well, here's so, here's the only question.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
That I hit the couch, fucker. That's what they're thinking.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
Here's the only question I have is that are you
getting an echo from me? By the way, No, no, no,
what do you think the base would easily separate from him?
Speaker 1 (48:27):
It would have to be you'd have to have him
dead to rights. You'd have to have him dead to rights.
You can't just say he was involved and then be like,
all right, he would have to be. It'd have to
be dead to rights. Like why, here's fucking an image
or video or something gets leaked or something like that,
And I'm not saying that's gonna happen by it. I'm
(48:47):
not I'm not saying that or the other story that
we're kind of jumping around the document. Hell thing looking good,
bro hell thing looking good from bone spurs to cankles.
I'm just saying like, it's not looking good. But I
think they are realizing now that they they have gotten
far enough as far as their control of Congress, as
(49:10):
far as their control of the judiciary, and sort of
their inability to give a fuck about the Constitution.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
Just roll over shit.
Speaker 1 (49:20):
I think they feel like, maybe we can get this
sky the fuck out into there. Maybe this is the thing. Look,
Murdoch may not know all the details of the Epstein stuff.
He may or may not know who the fuck knows
he might be on the list. I don't know, But
I think they see it as how we see it,
which is this is a real vulnerability for him, and
(49:42):
if we either stay silent or we kinda kind of
help fucking needle this shit along a little bit and
let him blow himself up because that's what he tends
to do, they may be able to get rid of
him and just like fucking move on. Oh well, we
don't know what happened now, it's just crazy dog we
just hear reporting the news. Will the base accept it
(50:05):
depends on how it goes. Now, a lot of people
in the base are pretty pissed. But if you got
him dead to right, But.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
There's also a shitload of people who are flying a
fucking outside their house.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
Still, well, look, if you support a pedophile, I mean,
the best of luck, kind of weird. I wouldn't fly
that flag ever, but it's like we like diddling kids.
Seems like a weird flag to carry. But like, all right,
bro roll Cole, I guess. But yeah, I think I
think it's a very stupid thing to do. But I
(50:37):
I just I think that they feel like they're done
with him and I and I don't. I don't feel
like there's this like we gotta fucking support, Like, no,
I don't think. So it doesn't feel that what I'm.
Speaker 2 (50:48):
Just saying he could do. He could do everyone a
huge favor by just, you know, dying leading this mortal coil.
Speaker 1 (50:54):
Yeah, that'd be that'd be pretty sweet, just as Kenkels
just exploded live on TV. So yeah, but I don't
know it, but it feels it feels very different to me,
That's all I say. And again, I'm not saying like
next week there's like the fucking Steel dossier comes out
and it's like it's all substantiated. I'm just saying it
(51:16):
feels like there's a decent thought process that like maybe
we don't need this guy anymore, and look, maybe they don't.
I don't. I don't think they do.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
I mean, I don't think we should have just mentioned
he apparently has been diagnosed with chronic venus insufficient Oh no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
No, hold on, hold on, Oh I got I got
notes on that, don't you work? Yeah, look, this is
this is not a small thing, by the way, that
he was diagnosed with right chronic venus insufficiency CBI. It
is a condition where the veins in your legs are
unable to efficiently return blood back to your heart. We're
(51:54):
almost there.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
Baby, Now, I will say my grandmother had this condition
when she was in her later years. It eventually lived
in con justine heart failure.
Speaker 1 (52:05):
So you know, oh, okay, all right, I mean, not
for your grandmother, like shout out to.
Speaker 2 (52:08):
Her, like, well, she passed away a while back, so
like yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
Yah, I'm not trying to show I'm like I'm not like, yeah, band, grandma.
Speaker 2 (52:16):
She she was she was ninety four years young when
she died. She lived a very full and fu okay cool, yeah, no, no,
no concerns there. But yeah, just know that this can
definitely have serious health problems down the road.
Speaker 1 (52:29):
I hate this. I hate to ask this. What was
the timeline between her being diagnosed with this and kN justin.
Speaker 2 (52:36):
Hartfast longer than we might want.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
You're being a round man. Now, you're being a real
debbie downer.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
However, my grandmother was was a robust woman. Let's say,
and this condition doesn't get better if you, you know,
don't like exercise for ship like, yes.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
Well then I think we're on the right track because uh,
on the old battery boy over here, he ain't he
ain't going out doing a goddamn thing or plays a
pickleball or whatever on occasion some golf he ain't playing pickleball.
Move around the ship. Yeah, so this is this is
valve damage to the veins, right. This is not a
(53:16):
curable thing. It It also is known as deep veins
from bosis. You may have heard that term if you
watch Like House and Ship. Yeah. Some of the reasons
that people can have this obesity pregnancy, so definitely obesity, Uh,
prolonged standing and sitting standing. That sounds about right, age
(53:43):
which obviously that that matters, or traumas of the legs.
I don't know, like maybe the bone spurs and ship
like maybe if maybe, maybe that's real.
Speaker 2 (53:55):
It's not chronic condition.
Speaker 1 (53:57):
Definitely. Yeah, So fingers crossed, this is this is not
a good thing for him. I like that. His his his,
his dumb dumb in the in the press secretary was like, well,
he's having skin color changes because he was shaking so
many hands. No, you dumb bitch, that's not that's from this, Okay,
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Like skin changes are from this because blood flow is
not working properly. It's not because he was shaking too
many hands and kissing too many babies, you dumb fuck.
Like that has nothing to do with it. So yeah,
good I look, I uh, I hope it happens quicker
than it happened to Brad's grandma. I don't know what
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to say, like just yes, I do.
Speaker 2 (54:44):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (54:45):
So without treatment, uh, he'll get chrodict swelling, skin discoloration
or hardening, he'll get ulcers. Of course, fingers crossed increase
risk of infection, all of these things.
Speaker 2 (54:58):
I mean it.
Speaker 1 (55:00):
Says, you know, you know, you know, side effects, I say,
you know, hopes and thoughts and prayers. Really so good good.
I love this for him. It's great, all right. By
the way, I want to go back to something when
we've talked about the Epstein shit, there is a part
of the story we didn't talk about that's kind of huge.
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The FBI had a process to check the Epstein files
for Trump's name being mentioned, and then they would flag
them and put it into a spreadsheet. This is a
super interesting story. Put them into a spreadsheet with the
name and page like to log it. And these people
were working in the FBI for like twenty four and
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forty eight hour shifts to get this information. And then
this data where they had all logged this stuff was
apparently put into a folder at the FBI that was
not in a like hypersecure folder. I guess, as the
article goes on to say, and so more and more
people had access to it, then would normally have access
to this kind of information. I'm just saying, there's a
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lot of there's a lot of things that happen with
this presidency because they are so fucking incompetent that will
end up being their downfall. So there is a decent
chance to somebody who definitely would love to send that
information out to a journalist, could have had access to
the to these not only the Epstein files, but a
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log of every time.
Speaker 2 (56:29):
He is specific Trump is mentioned.
Speaker 1 (56:32):
Hey, here's the thing. You wouldn't put the FBI on this.
If you were mentioned twice, you don't put the FBI
on this. You can have Pam Bonnie and Bean like
Pam fucking those shouldn't, or have fucking Tulsi Gatherer throw
this shit into chatch ept right and see where my
name shows up. She would do that because he's an idiot.
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But you could have like control f to find the
vine Trump's name right through these documents if it was
one or two times, even half a dozen, even a
dozen times. But you got a bunch of FBI agents.
I believe they said a thousand, a thousand personnel working
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on this. This motherfucker's all through that shit, like but again,
we're all making it up. It's all made up, guys.
They needed a thousand people working twenty four and forty
eight hours. Shits like, yeah, Trump's on pages one one again,
one again, one again, dude, this every other sentence, What
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the fuck you want me to do? Yeah, you need
a thousand people in the FBI to do this. He's
in the shit to on the stunt. So okay, good luck.
When's Pam Bondi getting fired? And Cash Mattel? Like, I mean,
is Dan Bongino still working there?
Speaker 2 (57:59):
A legend?
Speaker 1 (58:00):
Yeah, they don't even know. The government is calling news
organizations and asking them do they know to see if
Dan Bongino showed up to work in the government. Hey, bro,
DoD you have you seen him? Who the fuck is it?
Speaker 2 (58:14):
Zef? You know what's ironic though, is that if they
fired like the basically more mad at them firing Patel
and Bongino than if they fired pambody like, they look
at Pam Bondi as like the enemy or at least
the you know, the crazies.
Speaker 1 (58:28):
Yeah. Yeah, wasn't she assistant attorney assistant Attorneys general in Florida?
Speaker 2 (58:35):
No, she was the attorney general in Florida.
Speaker 1 (58:37):
Oh, oh that's right. I'm thinking of alex Acosta as
far as the lawyer, right, Hey, why didn't she go
after Jeffrey fste.
Speaker 2 (58:45):
Interesting?
Speaker 1 (58:47):
Interesting, Well, there's probably nothing. We just won't think about it. Anyone.
I'm sure it'll be over next week news you need.
Telsea Gabbart is an idiot, but it's not her fault.
It's not her fault because her boss made her go
out there and go out there and be an idiot
on my behalf. Throw them a squirrel, And so she did.
(59:08):
She threw the basis squirrel and saying, hey, just randomly
apropos of nothing. Hey, Obama trying to do a coup
against the president. I'm sorry, what Yeah, could you guys
just pay attention to this, Please stop talking about the
whole like my boss is a giant, raging pedophile story.
So she came out and declassify this document and released
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it publicly stating that Obama in the run up to
Trump taking over in twenty sixteen, like during that election
between Trump and Hillary, that Obama didn't let the public
know that Russia had or was saying that Russia had
hacked the United States election, you know, basically like had
(59:58):
interfered in the election and was changing votes and that
this was you know, this is like a big thing,
even though that was not true, and so this is
the big scandal, so that he could basically interfere in
the election, and you know, Hillary Clinton could have won
or whatever. The problem with this, as many people have
(01:00:19):
pointed out, is everything she accused Obama of secretly doing.
He literally did the opposite of what she's saying and
did a press conference in which he said those things,
which was Russia did try try their best to interfere
in the election, which she said, oh, he just never
(01:00:41):
said that publicly Rollo tape. But they did not hack
the voting machines, so that nobody has to worry about that,
that this is a legitimate election, that you should you
should be okay with it. This is our process as
a country. But yes, they did try to influence the election,
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but they were not successful in changing votes. All of
that he said in.
Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
The press confects. Famously, Obama wanted to give a press
conference tell the American people that hey, Russia is trying
to meddle with the election, and they're trying to like
socially engineer, you know, like like misinformation on social media.
And Mitch McConnell was like, no, you can't do that.
Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Yep, I remember that, yep. Absolutely, So what the fuck
are you talking about? Telsea?
Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Well, the problem, the problem is that it plays with
their base.
Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
That's the only reason why it's there, because.
Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
They're the ones that will believe like oh yeah, like
because they don't believe the Russia shit in the first place.
Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
No, of course not. Okay, maybe you should go move
there and get sent to the front line like that
dummy did this week. Do you hear that story? By
the way, fucking I feel sorry for your kids.
Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Same same with the Canadian guy who went to go
fight with the I d F and is now free
to go back to Canada because of how the Canadian
government is uh side eyeing the idea right down, what
they're doing to people.
Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
And cool over, stay over there. There's no need for
you to come back. So, yeah, it's tulsy Gabberd's gambit.
It doesn't make any sense. He didn't tell us these things.
He literally told you these things and he kept he literally.
Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
It's not serious though, it's just it's just to try
and distract from.
Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
Yeah, and and so she's just like, well, I'm not
ruling out prosecuting the former president. Oh, by all means,
please do so that they can do discovery and get
your your get your ship embarrassed, get embarrassed, because well
Here's the thing is, it's much like the Epstein story.
You can talk about all the criminality you want, but
(01:02:56):
if you have the power to prosecute people and then
you don't, it's that you're not serious. Right, Oh, there's
there's so much fraud. We felt so much fraud with
those We are a fraud, not waste fraud. Yet no
one's being arrested. Yet no one is being prosecuted. Why not?
The reason is because you didn't actually find fraud and
(01:03:17):
you're trying to win in the court of public opinion.
And this is the same with this. She's not gonna
The reason why she's not going to rule out going
after Obama is to just keep dangling it there. If
he did something that you have dead to, right, then
fucking go for it. What the you think that the
Republican Party wouldn't support you going after the former president
(01:03:38):
if you can nail it.
Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
These are the same people who for nine years have
believed like the storm is coming, and that the date
when the storm is supposed to come passes and nothing happens,
and they're like, oh, let's just move it to three
months from now. The storm is coming. Oh, nothing happened again.
It'll happen in six months. The storm is coming, like
and so on and so forth again.
Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
I mean, in fairness, there's always a storm coming, is it?
The storm? Well, that's up to the deep state, isn't
it if you think about it. So I just I
find it hilarious. So, like, let that be a lesson
to you. If you hear any Republican, especially Republicans, talk
about like this is illegal, this is fraud, this is
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this is a crime, this is treason or whatever, ask
why they haven't put the points in place to then
prosecute the person. And the reason they haven't is because
they don't have anything, and because when you go in
front of a judge, the weird thing is judges go
what's your fucking proof? And they go, ah, we was
just playing bro, Like you can't do that, Like that
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doesn't that only works out in the court of public opinion,
that you can just make a big claim and let
it just kind of start up its own run and
then you just let it go. You just you turn
and you go and focus something else. And then people
just go, yep, see I knew that was true. All
they want, didn't they fucking prosecute him? Well, you know,
they got busy covering up up pedophiles stuff like shut up. So, yeah, Brad,
(01:05:07):
how mad are you that they're going after your homeboy
Steven Colbert.
Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
I mean, I'm mad from the standpoint of this is
again more of more knock on from the bribe that
Paramount is paying to the Trump administration. They first paid
him sixteen million dollars to settle the lawsuit against CBS
based on the forty eight or forty eight.
Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
Sixty minutes thank you, you need it, you need it
twelve more minutes.
Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
I was just walking of the bread the other day.
Holy shit. Yeah, it was subtly the six minutes interview,
and I'm sure that this was part of it as well.
Trump's like, hey, I don't like the fact that that's
Stephen Colbert says being things about the and he's the
most popular late night host and you need to fire
him if you want this merger.
Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
Yeah, CBS is saying that this had nothing to do
with politics, and I believe them, honestly, I do. I
believe them. Well, let me phrase that, I believe that
they believe that. I believe that they believe it. It
is absurd. It is absurd to believe this on its face, like, well,
(01:06:20):
you know late night television isn't doing so great. Oh okay,
cool cool cool cool. Um, so you're just seeding this
and getting rid of the entire block of television. You're
just seeding this over to the other channels. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no,
that makes sense. Pullshit, because if it was about money
(01:06:44):
and Stephen Colbert wasn't like kicking ass and taking names.
By the way, he just won awards like two weeks before,
like you know, Late Night Emmys or whatever the fucking
does that, I don't know, but he just won. He
just won awards for the show. If it was about
him him and that it wasn't doing very well, then
you would fire him and you would put a new
host on, right, you try to find somebody else. You're
(01:07:07):
only doing this to a peace. Trump is the most
obvious thing in the world. The talk is that they
may kill Comedy Central as well, and you know, because
of the Daily Show.
Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
Of course that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
Ye.
Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Here's the RNY though. If you look at Colbert hosting
the Late Show over the past several years, as he
has been, and you compare that with the type of
personality that he was on Comedy Central, when he was
on the Daily Show and when he was doing Colbert Report.
He's holding back quite a bit on CBS. He could
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understand that that's not necessarily going to play as well
for like a broadly night audiences as it would on
like a cable comedy show. He now has zero incentive
to hold back at all.
Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
For the zero I gotta tell you that, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Stephen Colbert is not is not hurting for cash like him.
CBS needs him a hell of a lot more. And
there would be nothing stopping Colbert from launching his own thing,
you know, on on whatever, on either a network or
maybe just on YouTube and just doing it himself yep,
(01:08:25):
and finding that same audience, if not a bigger audience.
Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
I mean, let's get real. Uh One, I heard two
things that about this that I think are excellent opinions.
I'll start. I'll start with the serious and then I'll
get into the joke part number one. We're recording this
on Monday, July first, and I do not think this
is hyperbole at all. This is the and this is
(01:08:51):
tonight is one of the most important episodes of the
Daily Show you're ever going to see, because John Stewart
is not going to sit idly by and watch his
buddy get fucking trashed by a president he absolutely fucking despises.
And knowing that Colbert is one of the few voices
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of that generation of comedians who has really done amazing work,
You're not gonna sit by on that. He's not here.
Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
So here's some here's some breaking for you go for
on the Late Show tonight. Jimmy Fallon, John Oliver, Seth Myers,
and John Stewart all showed up on the Late Show.
Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
Holy shit, nice, nice, But.
Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
That's that's number one. I'm trying to see if there's anything.
Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
Yeah, Kim, Kim's letting it fucking fly too. And Trump
was like, you're next. Like, I don't think you realize
what you've done. You've given those late night hosts like
a space for or you've given Colbert space for a year.
Because he's not gone until summer of twenty sixteen, twenty
(01:10:06):
twenty six he's got a year to fucking go after you.
So here's the second part, right, The John stuper part
is one. The second part is this. Someone was like,
and look, they probably won't do it, but I think
they should. He should just Colbert should just come out
and be like, you know what, bringing back the Colbert Report,
Like like he just brings that entire persona back for
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the rest of the year, Like that's exactly he handles
the show exactly how he did the Colbert Report. And
so the person who made this suggestion was like, Trump
is so dense that he'll think that Colbert went conservative
and then push them to keep the show on air afterwards,
which is hilarious. He probably would because he's not much
of an idiot.
Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
So here's so as far as the Daily Show goes,
John Stewart said, I'm not fucking going anywhere on the
broadcast tonight. Tell Yeah, And they've named Josh Josh Johnson
is the new full time host going forward as well.
Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
Josh Johnson, Oh, the black guy. Yeah he's awesome. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah,
he's hilarious. Oh that's a good choice. That's a good choice.
I like him a lot. Actually, he's very very fine. Yeah,
I'm I wouldn't be surprised to see Colbert really fucking
lean and hard because he's Look, look, I'll admit the
(01:11:26):
night shows on the like the old People networks, they
don't have that same the only person who was ever
able to really kind of do it was Conan and
he kind of paid the price for that too. But
they neuter them a bit, right, just because mainstream audiences
are fucking trash compared to like Comedy Central and that
sort of thing. Go for Colbert, fuck that bring these
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old people into the fucking into the future. Like why
does that?
Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
Losing him is bad because again, like you're losing that
avenue to like normany who watched that ship to get
some of that news. But like you said, if he
can kind of turn on that old cold air show
for something not like not full on, he might be
able to drag these people back with him to his
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next venture whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
Yeah, don't don't. Don't go out on this like Johnny
Carson type of ship. Fuck that go you got a year, man,
make them make them regret ever doing this, that's what
you should do. Make them regret it, right, like, make
them regret it.
Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
Dare then to pull you off the air in the
next ten months. Essentially.
Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
I like that because look, like you said, he had
all the money in the more. He fine, He's fine.
If you want to pull me off the air, it's fine.
And again if you do that whatever he decides to
do after that, skyrocket, dude, it'll skyrocket. Good. Look if
they kill Comedy Central, I mean, I know Michael be
especially mad because he can't watch all episode a premium blend,
(01:13:02):
but that's the one.
Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
It hasn't been on in like twenty five years. It
should be. There should be more stand up comedy on
Comedy Central. Sadly there isn't. But I would love to
see the two of them, like it go go to HBO,
Like can you imagine some sort of fucking crazy block
(01:13:27):
or whatever of Colbert, Oliver and Stuart Dude, come on now,
the granted their comedies are all very similar, but Colbert
and Stuart could team up on a show and Oliver
keep his show, which is also excellent. Like I could
see HBO being like, yes, I like that. That sounds
good to me, Like let's give the old man a
(01:13:47):
fucking heart attack every Sunday night.
Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
I don't know, because because WB like sucking that corporate dick,
So I don't I don't know if they'd be uh that.
Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
Yeah, look, here's the thing. They're getting ready to split
into two companies, so so I don't know about that.
It's it's a it's a weird thing. H Zoslov is
a piece of shit, I agree, and so are a
large amount of his minions, I suppose. But at the
same time, they just put out a Superman movie that
is like pretty much in your face of like fuck
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Benjamin Nettanna Who, and uh, the sky's of shit is unacceptable.
Like they don't even try to be like easy about it.
I mean I don't. I don't know if you've seen
the new Superman movie, but the Benjamin nettna Who character
is picked up like held in the air and is
being flown somewhere by one of the good guys and
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he's like, you're not gonna kill me. Superman doesn't kill people,
and the character goes, I'm not Superman and then drops
him and kills like like the there is no there
is no like I wonder. So maybe they're just kind
of like, you know what, We're big enough. We don't
need this guy again. There they have any new mergers
coming up? No, they don't, so like that's why CBS
(01:14:58):
is sucking dick. But maybe WB is like we've been
fucking up our own shit. We don't really need this
old man to fuck it up. So I'm like, maybe
we just do what we want. I don't know, so
should be should be interesting? Nonetheless, should be interesting. We
already talked about the Cankels. Soon so so soon. God,
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can you imagine when you wake up that that one
day you get that headline on your fucking on your
watch and you're like, oh my god, I'll just bro.
That's like, I'll never forget where I was. I I
know exactly the gas station I pulled into when I
rung on my phone that Scalia died, and I feel
(01:15:41):
like it'll be very similar. Yeah, I know exactly where
I was. I was in Virginia. It was awesome. I
was like, oh shit, and I just burst out lavin. Okay,
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