Tariffs Strike Back (Trade War Begins, El Salvador Prison, Stock Market Crash) | Ep 407 - Look Forward - Progressive Political News

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Speaker 1 (00:20):
Hello, and welcome to a brand new episode of Look Forward.
I'm your host, Jay, I'm here with my co host Brad.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
There are times where you kind of take stock of
your life, right, like, like you look back at that
days past to see, like, have I ever felt a
certain way at any point in my life? And so
as I sit here today, I can definitively say, beyond
a shadow of a doubt. In such a short time,

(00:46):
I have never accumulated a list of people that I
would like to choke with my bare hands more than
I have this week.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
And you're a soccer fan, which is amazing.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah, and it's and it's and you know what's pissing
me off. It's what's pissing me off is not not
not the fact that the tariffs happened because we because
like you and I are smart, like we expected these
things to get fucking crazy and insane. Like it's still
you know, it's one of those things where it's like
it's it's not surprising, but still shocking sort of things. Right, So,
like it's not like you know that that that like

(01:21):
you know it's the scorpion, uh fucking uh, you know
parable that that gets bandied out all the time, like, yeah,
we knew, we knew this would happen. But what's getting
me is the gas lighting that's going on by all
the stooges around him, Like I want I want to
literally punch Howard Lutnik in the face repeatedly, like I

(01:43):
would really love to do that was the person I thought,
because this dumb motherfucker is going on TV talking about Oh,
like meanwhile, on the same day that a jobs that,
you know, jobs report came out where we lost you know,
almost three hundred thousand jobs in the country over the
last over the last month, he's saying, oh, like, jobs
are about the springboard. Uh, countries don't want to buy

(02:03):
American beef because their beef is weak and our beef
is strong.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
And they're Europe very specifically, yours beef is weak, our
beef is strong. Yeah, okay, man.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Could be could be all the GMOs that we use
in our stuff that they don't want over there, but
you know, let's not think about that. Harris Faulkner another
person that I would like to just bash my elbow
directly into her stupid skull for fucking going on Fox
News and being like, well, you know, like like last
time this country was threatened with a major war, like
everyone like girdening up their loins and understood that we

(02:37):
all had to sacrifice together for the greater good. Well,
you think this is a fucking war. The country didn't
choose this, Get the fuck out. We we need to
fucking sacrifice to to help go Fuck yourself.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
I love I love that, I love that. I mean
she she's one of the worst, right, Like I've I've
never been a fan of any of her nonsense of
Fox News. But yeah, this idea that you're comparing what
is going on as it is that it is tantamount
to the world fighting the Nazis, right, saving the fucking

(03:13):
planet from the overrun of fascism, that is somehow comparable
to the self inflicted gunshot wound, that that we're watching
Donald Trump and his administration perform on the United States
financial markets, Like those things are not even remotely the same.
Yeah only only Yeah, No, this is that's fair.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
I got more. I'm not done. No, no, no, fucking fucking
John Kennedy out here being like, oh, like these fucking like,
these fucking terrorists are gonna kill us, uh in the
in the midterms. But yet still voting against the bill
that got brought up in the Senate today that would
take the emergency powers away from the president, that is
allowing Donald Trump to put these tarifts on them. Like

(03:59):
you're sitting here, like you can't have both ways, John Kennedy,
Like you gotta gotta put your money where your mouth is.
Doesn't fucking work when you're just like, you know, ah,
like this is bad, but I'm just gonna I'm gonna
continue to let it happen.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
Well, let me let me quote John Kennedy or paraphrase him. Uh,
if you need help, call a crackhead. Okay, those are
his words, not mine. I know he said in an age,
which is insane. Yeah, I mean, look, these these guys
have they're running into where we thought they always were

(04:32):
going to go, which is, oh no, these terrible things
we've done may not be politically advantageous for us in
the very near future. Right. And so now they're at
least throwing out the rhetoric. They're not doing anything, but
they're throwing out the rhetoric that they're very sorry that
this has happened. And you know, maybe it's like it's

(04:53):
the it's the mad King it's not us type of ship.
But like you said, but you guys keep voting to
I or support him or in this case, not strip
this power from him. You're not doing any You're not
doing any real work to stop this. Look, I find

(05:13):
this last week to be remarkable in a lot of ways.
I didn't like, I wasn't I wasn't as tuned in
on the coming tariff nonsense, because it's like they're on,
they're off, they're on, they're all. I was like, all right,
all right, all right, just just call me when it's when.
When we were like getting to the show, and then
you were like, yeah, so Thursday is the big announcement.

(05:36):
I was like, or Wednesday, It's like Tuesday, Tuesday, Tuesday.
And it was like, oh great, here we go. And
it's like yeah. It was a complete another shit show. Somehow.
It was worse than I assumed.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
It would be, which is what everybody assumed it would be.
And and it kept like much like some sort of
tariff onion as we peeled the layers back throughout like
the the the hours afterwards, Uh, it just got more
and more worse as we kind of deduced like, hey,
like why these percentages why these tearor percentages? Why where

(06:10):
where is this coming from? Like what like like because
he has this big fucking chart of like, oh like
here's what other countries are terriffing us, and people are
just like, what the fuck are you talking about? Like
this isn't what this is?

Speaker 1 (06:23):
What are these numbers you're making up?

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah, this isn't happening right now. Where did you get
these numbers? We'll talk about it, uh later on because
the answer UH will not surprise you as far as
how how the the the back of the napkin math
that they used uh to get to the percentages uh
for for these quote unquote reciprocal terroists, because that's that's

(06:44):
how he's trying to frame them. He's trying to frame
them as, oh like we like, oh, we're not attacking anybody,
we're just reciprocating in kind to to what we're already
experiencing from these other countries.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Like okay, bro, yeah, it's it's it certainly is curious. Yes,
as we all know, Vietnam is they have a ninety
percent tariff on American goods. Yeah, totally valid, not made
up number pulled out of your giant ass at all, so, yeah, tariffs.
He decides to announce these tariffs. They are well, we'll

(07:21):
talk in just a second about where they got these
numbers from. The stock market lit itself on fire. I
think it is probably the nicest way of saying that.
What is hilarious is he was supposed to make the
announcement at three o'clock. He moved it to four o'clock
so that the markets were closed, and the I guess
maybe he's unaware that there's trading that happens after the

(07:44):
market closes, and there were massive sell offs, which was
just indicative of what was going to happen the very
next morning, which is a thirteen hundred point or excuse me,
thirteen hundred point drop first thing this morning, like immediately
when marked it open, and then I think it got
all the way down to just under seventeen hundred points

(08:05):
down today, which is just about four percent of the
of the Dow Jones.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Literally it literally to put it to put it as
I saw it on blue sky. So the estimates, and
these are high estimates, by the way, so the like
like the actual number could come in at like half
of this. The estimates for what the government could collect
from these tariffs is about six to eight hundred billion

(08:31):
dollars annually. And in one day, the announcement of these
tariffs wiped out about two and a half trillion dollars
of market cap for investors. And you might say, oh, investors,
big deal. You know, who gives a shit? Like it's
just you know, the rich getting you know, losing money

(08:52):
that they can afford to lose it. In a lot
of cases, that's true. Do you have a four to
one k person at home? Yeah, like, like everyone who
has a four to one k has a stake in
in the stock market. Unfortunately, Like I wish it didn't
work that way, but that's that's unfortunately how things work.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah, yeah, it's all right. Here we go. Man, I
don't know do people do people like a depression? Because
it's common, it's common, it's common.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
I applie for putting it, for putting it bluntly yesterday
when they when a headline that they ran said, uh,
you know, the Trump terrorists will cost American taxpayers six
trillion dollars. Uh. It would be the largest tax hike
uh in history. And I appreciate them framing it that way.
Sure would have been cool if they had bothered to

(09:43):
frame it that way, I don't know, six or seven
months ago, and had been talking about it like that
six or seven months ago, them and everybody else in
the media. Maybe we could have sidestepped, uh, this situation.
But you know that, you know, Kamala Harrison, the Democrats
like they're you know, they were just hair on fire.
They were just talking ship. They didn't know what they
were talking about. I remember during the campaign, like you know,

(10:05):
when when she was saying like, hey, you know, Trump's
terrons is going to be attacks in the middle of
lower class, which it absolutely is. Uh that Dallas were like, well,
technically that's true, but we don't know the effect of
what tariff will be because he hasn't announced what they
would be yet, so we can't say, uh that it's
gonna just completely cripple. I'm just like, okay, guys, cool
like way to way to fucking way to fucking get

(10:26):
presented out there.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Good job, ye take no take no level of balls
to call call the bullshit out like just just no, no,
no level of strength here.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
I I wish you, I wish you everything that will
come your way in in in the coming years.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
The poor rich, what can what can they do? Yeah,
but suffer along with us. I guess yeah, I'm just
I wish I could say that I'm shocked by this.
I wish I could say that I am U. I
feel sorry for the people on the right who are
shocked by this news. That's been really fun, that's been
that's really have a I wish I had that like

(11:05):
Xbox uh animated a gift like new Kink unlocked. Yeah,
like I'm into watching these conservatives who are like I'm
still a strong support supporter, but uh, this is ruining
my local business. I would just like to say, mister Trump,
if you could please stop doing this. I'm like, I
can only get so erect. Please please keep eating the

(11:26):
shit out because it makes it into subreddits that I
read and I enjoy it immensely. I just I just
cannot believe that these people one like we had talked
about offline this morning, like why are you tweeting this?
Like he's not gonna see it. He doesn't care about
you at all, Like that's really weird, Like at Donald Trump,
please see this on true social Like he's not gonna
see any sit right, he's not going to see it too,

(11:49):
even if he did see it. He's not going to
make an exemption for you.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah, she loves you.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Can give a fuck about you. Fuck off, You're not
a billionaire. And you know, like in number three, you
don't have to keep saying that you're a strong supporter.
It's okay, like I don't give a fuck about your
future anyway besides like haha kind of thing. But it
is okay for you to go, I was wrong and like,
and I don't support this guy.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Would actually show growth on your part to be able
to admit, like, hey, you know what, I might have
fucked up here, might might discrewed the foot on this one.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
No, not them, still a strong supporter, but I'm I'm
forced to eat dog food alongside my dog just to survive.
Mister Trump, if you could please, like, just say you
were wrong, man, just say you're wrong. Get in the
back of the line. We're going to the capitol, like
they like, just say you were wrong. And I don't
understand why these guys like they they just refuse to

(12:46):
acknowledge that maybe just maybe they fucked up, like or
all the people like no, no, it's now patriotic and
it's a good thing that companies are losing billions of dollars,
that the markets are losing trillions of dollars in the economy. Oh,
this is patriotic because once we lose I don't know,
seven trillion dollars, then we'll be able to build back
better and then will be leaner and more agile as

(13:10):
a country. What are you talking about? What are you
talking about?

Speaker 2 (13:15):
I will give you my favorite thing that I read.
And I shared this with Jay, and I said that
I really wish I could send this tweet in a
time machine back to two thousand and five J and
let him read it and watch it keel over and
fall on the floor. Quote. I think capitalism far superior
to socialism, and free markets with a welfare state in

(13:37):
some regulation far superior to a government run economy with
limited room for freedom. But if capitalist side with authoritarians,
better social democracy than corporatis authoritarianism. Jad, you know who
said those words today are actually not today? He actually
said this over a year ago. But Prouves Preshian today

(13:59):
none other than old Crystal clo As Terrence coined the
wrongest dude on her.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
He said it a little bit more, uh, a little
bit more.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
I can't say what Darren said.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
But yeah, yeah, but a little bit more uh uh
paprika on a little bit more spice on it. Right,
the point still stands. Yeah, it's the meme of the uh,
the worst dude ever just made a good point, like
I God damn it. But I mean, in fairness to
Bill Crystal, which is a wild thing for me to

(14:31):
say out loud, he's been kind of he's been. He's
been kind of a I wouldn't say a never trumper,
but I mean.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
He kind of has. He has been an ever trumper
like he is. He is like a card carrying from
like an og never trumper, like he has never fucked
with that dude.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yeah, I mean, so respect respect to him, like you know,
it's he could say, but respect to him for at
least acknowledging Like, Okay, I'm a I'm a conservative. I'm
a you know, definitely an ideologue in all the worst ways,
but at least I believe in something like and at

(15:07):
least I'm intellectually consistent about the financial views I have
and what I think is better for the country. Now,
we would not agree with Bill Crystal on what we
think financially is good for the country. I think not,
but I think we all can agree that the terriffs
are very, very bad and that allowing fascism to Rain
and authoritarianism to Rain is a terrible idea, and that

(15:31):
that is how far we've come, is that people like
Bill Crystal and Dick Cheney and Liz Cheney and AOC
and Bernie are all on the same side.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Like that's they're they're they're they're like, they're like, please
give us the socialism over this. We will happily think
the socialism, Yeah, over anything that you could possibly over
anything that's going on. So just just to like, basically,
almost every country in the world is getting to Harris
levied against it and these are going into effect apparently

(16:02):
on April ninth, is what they said. So next next
Wednesday is you're listen as we're recording this, every single country,
uh seems to have been impacted, including uh well, actually
accepting a couple notable countries like Russia and North Korea
and Cuba are are somehow exempted from this process.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Okay, are we even trading with Cuba? I would imagine
probably not.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Probably, So it doesn't well but that but as we'll
see later in the show, that's not going to stop
them from levying tariffs even if we're not trading with
any particular countries.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
Spoiler, there doesn't even have to be citizens of any
kind right to.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Leve you fairies. Some of the like notable ones here
like forty nine percent terarif for Cambodia, twenty percent for
the EU, forty six percent for Vietnam, and thirty four
percent for China, which stacks on top of the already
twenty percent teriffs that they are already charged on goods
coming in from China for a total of fifty four
percent UH teriffs, So from the places that we get

(17:08):
things from.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
So let let me let me understand this. We're putting
fifty four percent tariff on China. Have they been to
Walmart before? Everything at Walmart is from China. What are
the prices going to look like for his rank and
file constituency that that live in rural city or rural

(17:34):
towns and and in states that don't have massive populations
where Walmart is not just your big box store, but
it's also your grocery store, right because they have chewed
up all the other local businesses. That is a very
real thing. What are those people supposed to do when
Walmart cranks the prices on everything, Like yeah, maybe they're

(17:55):
maybe not all of their produce comes from China obviously,
but I mean, if you're gonna crank the price, it's
like there's still a corporation. They're not they're not here
to help you. They're gonna crank the prices on everything
because they can't.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah, so absolutely what absolutely and and and this even
like so like this first story that that we're looking
at here like even talks about like Apple, So Apple
in an in an effort of good faith right to
like kind of to kind of like hey, like because
you know, the Biden administration also wasn't you know, super
gung ho for China, Like they wanted to you know,

(18:26):
move move as much as like uh from there as
they could in every good faith. So like Apple's like okay, cool,
Like we produce a lot of shit in China. We're
gonna take a lot of our eye We're gonna spend
billions of dollars to move a lot of our iPhone
production away from China and to India, which is still
a country with a pretty cheap labor market. But it's

(18:48):
a but it's a growing, you know country in terms
of industrialization and stuff like that. So like, we're gonna
move a lot of we're gonna spend billions of dollars,
We're gonna move the ship there. And they moved a
lot of iPhone production in India. Well, now India is
getting a twenty six percent tariff on top of that.
So like if your Apple cool, you're just like.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
I guess we saved some money, but we still get
we're still getting fucking host.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
And and and oh, by the way, like our stock
price lost about you know, fucking today.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
Yeah, let's see, yeah it was. It wasn't good.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
How many how many billions of dollars is that?

Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Of Apples?

Speaker 1 (19:26):
Uh? Yeah, it lost it lost eleven eleven point seven
four percent just today.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
That that is literally literally three hundred billion dollars, four
hundred billion dollars cobo was worth it, just Apple.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
And by the way, you not only are you paying
the money now to move this stuff to India, which
costs shit done on money obviously, right. And look, don't
get me wrong, they're moving to a they're they're moving
to a cheap labor WORKETD. I don't know if it's
necessarily cheap bird than China, but I'm sure it's kind
of right in line with pretty inexpensive labor. And I
say that like the most like unhumanistic way. I realize

(20:05):
like that those are people, right, Like I don't want
to just say like, oh, it's this cheaper labor, like
they just have.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Cheap we I mean, I mean, we all know what
the fucking score is, and we turn the white eyed
to this ship because we like.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yeah, we do so that we don't have to pay
two thousand dollars for a fun. I mean, we're all
gigantic effrigants about it, right. But I say all that
to say, like Tim Apple, that's his official name. Obviously
he spent a million. He gave a million dollars to
Trump's inauguration, you know slush fun. Right, So you built

(20:35):
this dude like you, you are now having your company
spend more money to move your shit to India and
and your stock is dropping like crazy. This is why
you don't ben the need of this this guy. This
is why you don't because it doesn't matter what you do,
you cannot You can't genuineflect enough to escape his mad

(20:59):
king wrath. You just can't unless you have control over him,
like in Russia, which is why they don't have any
fucking terrorists put on that, right, there is no argument
at this point. Oh well there he's sticking it to
Russia in the middle of the Ukrainian ship where you
could use the tariffs if it worked the way that

(21:22):
you're saying it does. It doesn't. But if under your
your thought press, I don't.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
I don't even think they're pretending that that's a thing anywhere.
By the way, now now that they're in place, and
now they don't have to run on it, they're not
even they're not even running that that's.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
True because they're like now they're like there's like hardships.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
There's gonna be pain. Yeah, there's gonna be pain. So
we all gotta we all gotta we all gonna gir
up our loins and suffer through this together because there's
gonna be some pain.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
Well why would we have to do that? Yeah, right,
So to that, to that point, it's like, you guys
built this. He like, if you if you bend the
needed this guy, you will never get into a place
that you're saved. Like he doesn't play nice to his

(22:07):
toadies like this idea of like, well, I'll be under
his umbrella of protection. There is no umbrella of protection.
He historically treats the people who cozy up to him
the most the worst, Like he's like he likes to
smack you around because you're right the fuck there again.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
I mean, I mean people, people. I don't know why
anyone who cozy after this dude after again literally was
encouraging the fucking public stringing up of his current vice president.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, I don't I don't get it.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
At that point, you're just like, yeah, I'm not gonna
fuck with this dude. Like clear clearly, uh clearly, crime
does not pay, as as the old saying goes. So yeah,
like like for all the business people, for all the
people that that you know, oh, we gotta get him
in there because this is gonna be great for businesses,
and it's gonna be great for the markets, and we're
gonna make so much money. It's gonna be fucking spectacular
and blah blah blah blah blah. I love this for them,

(23:02):
I absolutely love this for them. I just wish that
the rest of us didn't have to go along for
the ride alongside of them as well, Like, I wish
this could just be happening to them and leave the
rest of us who didn't want this alone, But of
course that's not the way the world works. So we
were all.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
Stuck with this one last thing, and we'll take a
quick break. Here's the thing that I find really fucking hilarious.
So these terrofts get put in the place, and that's
the biggest story, right like, and it just sucks up
all the oxygen in the room, and that's what everyone
focuses on. But there was another thing that happened about
tariffs a couple of days before this that was the

(23:43):
biggest fucking story, which was in a leaked call with
CEOs of the automotive companies. He told them, don't raise
your prices. We put these tariffs in place. Don't raise
your prices, thus undercutting the entirety of the foreign trees
that they're the ones who pay the tariff. But why
would you have to tell the automotive companies in the

(24:06):
US not to raise their prices if they're their prices
or their money isn't affected by the terror. The only
reason why you would tell them to not raise prices
is because they like in every other corporation that's worth
their salt are going to push to raise prices from
the tariffs onto their consumers. So you're still it's not
raised money.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah yeah, yeah, Like we're like we're gonna, like we're
gonna raise your manufacturing cost up by its or your
your importing cost up by twenty five percent. Again, a
lot of American car companies, as we talked about on
the last show, build their cars in Canada or Mexico
or in some cases China, Like like some of them
like Ford and and Hyundai evs are built in China
and then brought over here.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
And that's not anything to say about parts as well,
which are all over the right.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Oh yeah, one hundred percent, Like they like even cars
built in America probably have a shitload Chinese parts under
the hood. Like that's just that's just the way it is.
They're there is no car that is manufactured in hole
in the United States. So every company gets hit by
this regardless. And so yeah, you're right, like he's literally
telling him, hey, just eat shit on profits because I
don't want to look bad when I'm charging you guys

(25:15):
more money for this stuff, which is a noble you know,
a noble pursuit. Maybe not the best reason for trying
to achieve that, Like, he doesn't give a shit about Americans.
He just wants to, you know, make sure that he
doesn't look like he's going to take the plane for
car prices all of a sudden being raised by twenty
five percent across the board, right, But.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
It tells you he is well aware aware, is well
aware that the tariff rhetoric is bullshit. But that now
to your point earlier, now that the tariffs are already
in place, don't worry about it. Let the suffering be again,
the patriotic suffering be yeah, yeah, And and maga idiots
are like, hell yeah, brother, we're I'm willing to pay

(25:54):
five hundred dollars for gross that I didn't that I
paid half of that last week.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
The new line that he's running now is he's comparing
it to a patient who just got surgery, So like,
you just get surgery, so like now we're in recovery,
and then once we're done recovery, like we'll be back
better than we were before somehow, because don't you know,
so it's so easy for manufacturing and production to just
spring up in the United States overnight. Forget the fact

(26:23):
that you need to build facilities, Forget the fact that
you need to spend money, Forget the fact that you
need to train workers, Forget the fact that we needs
Forget the fact that you need raw material, which you
will also have to import from all these countries that
you're passing terris onto. Forget all of that. It's just
so easy to just bring manufacturing back full speed. We
are coming where we are so back to an industrial nation. Jay,

(26:46):
it is gonna be so awesome. Just you wait and see.
We're gonna be so much cooler than we were before.
We don't have to import anything from anybody, and everyone
will want all of our stuff, like our strong beef
and things of that nature as well. It's gonna be
so crude.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Ever heard someone of such an of such a mature
age speak like a goddamn caveman who didn't have ct
from like combat sports, Like their beef is weak? Are
beef strong? That's why America is the best? What do
you do? You're an adult?

Speaker 2 (27:20):
You don't You don't know that that, Howard. But Nick's
never had a significant brain injury. He could have, and
he could have had, and he could have like eight
concussions throughout his life, you know, because I'd imagine someone
as dumb as him probably just falls down from walking constantly.
So like he's I'm sure he's hit his head on
some things.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
You know what. You know what that that's that's my bad.
I'm I'm being I'm actually I'm being a I'm being
an ablest. Actually I should not assume that any Republican's
brain is fully functional. That's not fair. I should not
hold them to high standards like that. All right, let's
let's take a quick break and then we're gonna get
into new gene.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
All right, we'll hang on before we get a new z.
We have to we have to tie the bell on
the tariff discussion because we have to. We have to.
You have to wonder like, well, like they had this
chart and it's like all right, like these these countries
are charging and and and we're and we're gonna charge
these tariffs, which, by the way, the tariffs were charging
not as bad as the ones that they're charging us.
Like we're actually being quite generous, uh in this respect.

(28:20):
So like people looked at this, and economists looked at this,
and they're just like they looked at the chart where
they're just like like, hey, here's what these countries are
charging tariffs to the US. And they're like how the
fuck did Like where are they getting these unders?

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Where are you getting this gariffs from Vietnam? Like where
did you get? Right?

Speaker 2 (28:38):
So it took until Wednesday night for an economist name
James sirrow Wickie who's like, holy shit, I fucking figured
it out, Like I figured out how they got the
numbers that they're working on. So basically, what the Trump
administration did is they looked at the trade, our trade deficit.

(29:02):
So the US is the world's biggest importer. We import
a lot more goods than we export, essentially, and and
we have what's called a trade deficit with most countries
that we do business with all But much like the
fucking federal deficit, which people think means something that it
doesn't fucking mean, a trade deficit simply means that you
buy more, right, Yeah, A trade deficit simply means that

(29:24):
you buy more goods from a country than they buy
from you. That's all it means. It's just a.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Number on a show, but it has the word deficit
in it.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
It has the word deficit in its Trump. So Trump
thinks it's fucking bad. So he literally took the trade deficit. Basically,
the way they looked the numbers is they said, all right,
if we're buying if a country's buying twenty billion of
our stuff and we're buying thirty billion of their stuff,
well they're buying fifty percent more stuff from us than

(29:56):
we're buying from them. So therefore they're charging us to
fifty percent tariff, so we're going to charge them with
twenty five percent. There. That's literally the logic that they
were using to figure out how much.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
So logic, but the country run that is by a
bunch of four year olds, Like.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
And this doesn't make sense because like fucking like people
on CNBC were pointing out today, like fucking rightly, like, oh,
so does this mean that you have a trade deficit
with your hairdresser? Because just because they're not buying stuff
from you, uh and and and you're buying services from them,
all of a sudden, that that means you have a
def a trade deficit with your hairdresser. So you should
charge your hairdresser fucking half, like like more money for

(30:36):
their services, or like you should pay more for their services.
Like that's that's the fucking logic that you're that You're right, it's.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
It's very dumb. But it also does something that is
really bizarre. As you're saying, I'm thinking about this, if
you're taking and I'd have to look at that chart again,
if you're taking it by that logic, which is clearly
what they're doing, that means you have an outsized high
level of teriffs as they see it, on the United States,

(31:07):
which would imply a higher retaliatory tariff that we're putting
on these countries for poor countries, right, because they are
more likely to be buying things from US because they
don't have those certain natural resources or like hey man,
we can't get grapes or whatever, like we gotta get
those in the US, or we got to get these
other particular things from the US. So they're more likely

(31:29):
they're more likely to be excuse me, they're more likely
to be selling us things. Right, Excuse me, I got
this wrong. What I'm saying is like they have more
resources to give, right, like, hey, we have all of
this fucking grain, We have all of this like soy
beans or whatever. We have all of these things. I know,
America is a big soy bean export, but to my point,
like China has all of these things that they can

(31:51):
give because one they're a huge country, right, yeah, they
don't necessarily need certain things that we have in the
United States because the United States isn't a man manufacturing country.
We have, long since the nineteen fifties, have moved, especially
because of computers. We've moved into the service industry. That's
where that is where our bread and butter. Is this

(32:12):
idea of bringing the country back into a manufacturing industry,
And I'm trying to say this as nicely as I can. No,
why why are you trying to say yeah, no, no
not you mean no, no, no, And not to be
nice to them, not to be nice to these fuckers
in DC, but to say this to American citizens, the

(32:36):
people who work in industries or did work in industries
that were manufacturing industries. You are a big cause of
all of this horseship. And I'll tell you why, because
you cannot get over the fact that it has been
almost seventy years that that industry has long died, and

(32:57):
you refuse to fucking learn a lesson. I hate to
say that because it sounds fucking mean, bro, we're not
gonna be making T shirts in the United States anymore.
We're not making brooms and and you know, uh, fucking
aluminum cans and shit, we're not doing that anymore because
the country is more modernized. If you want to do
those type of jobs, you gotta go overseas, bro, you

(33:19):
gotta go to live in India, you gotta go live
in China and places like that. And by and by
the way, like that is because they're poor.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Because that's the thing. That's the thing that people don't understand,
is that it's a good thing that we've moved past
those jobs. Yes, because you're not gonna you're not gonna
fucking get a job at the illuminum can factory making
fucking twenty dollars an hour. No, no, no, you're gonna
that's that's that's gonna be. If that came back to America,
that'd be a minimum wage job. Or holy shit, we

(33:47):
can't afford to pay minimum wage to the illuminum fucking
can workers, so let's get rid of the minimum wage
that we can afford to pay them sub minimum wage, right,
And that's exactly what would fucking happen, right, So, because
that's what's happening in other countries, right.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
With right, exactly, that's exactly right. So minimum wage, they
don't have a minimum wage. So yeah, that's that's why
I'm like, I'm hesitanting in saying that, because because it
feels mean to people who are just trying to survive,
Like you know what I mean. I'm not here to
shoot on fucking poor people unless you vote for Trump.
I'm not here to shoot on you for trying to

(34:20):
keep a livelihood. But in reality, your inability to understand
where the country has gone has long gone, is the
reason we are still having these dumb fucking fights every
four years. We got a bright manufacturing child's back. We don't.
Though we don't. We have tried. Every time there is

(34:41):
a democratic president and a Democratic Congress, they have been like,
here's free education on these new technologies. Hey, instead of
digging out fucking rocks out of a mind, why don't
you put up solar panels. They trying to educate. Here's
how you do programming, here's how you work in these
other industries and stuff like that. You gotta move on.
You gotta move on. It sounds fucked up, but you

(35:03):
have to move on. We are in this shit right
now because this guy is telling you that he's gonna
bring these jobs back. He's not. And you see all
these Republicans on TikTok and all this on Instagram are like,
he's bringing manufacturing jobs back. Becky, which manufacturing job do
you want? Which factory would you like to work? You

(35:23):
don't want those jobs. You know which industry is one
of the biggest that's right near the border. And why
they never fuck with it meat packing industry because they
bring people from Latin you know, south of US, in
Latin America. When they come across the border, a lot
of them work in the meat packing industries. They're all

(35:44):
right on the border, man, you know what, because their
factory jobs, those jobs ain't going nowhere, not for now
right until we start growing all our meat and labs
right like ten years from now, right. But that's why
they're all across the border. They're probably the entrance door
is probably facing Mexico, not even the back door. So

(36:04):
this idea that you want these manufacturing jobs back, you don't, though,
You motherfuckers don't want to go down to Florida and
pick oranges. You think you want to work in a
factory manufacturing aluminum cans. No, you don't. You ever seen
documentaries of people working in factories. That's hard fucking work, dude,
it's hard work. And I know what people say, Well,

(36:24):
what about the people in Scranton and in all these
other places? They need jobs to they do? They do?
That's why you you bring jobs there, more modernized and
the skills. Yes, that's why you don't.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
It's it's it's so, it's so fucking not hard, like,
it's just it's just it's it's too easy to pine
for the past. And again that's like, that's that is
It's very literally, it's literally the name Conservative, it's literally
in the fucking name. Like, so I get it. I
get why they want to appeal to this thing. But
you're right, the sooner people would wake the fuck up
and realize that, like, we have moved on and it's

(37:00):
and it's a good thing that we have, so you
don't have to so that your fucking peepole doesn't get
the fucking black lung and die of fucking cancer like
everyone was fucking doing, you know, because they work in
the fucking minds for thirty years. That's a good thing
that we don't have to do that shit anymore. It
fucking sucks that other people have to do it around
the world. But you know, we need our fucking lithium

(37:20):
batteries to power our fucking electronics and this or the
other thing.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
And here's the thing. There's going to come a time
with each each of these countries that we absolutely utilize
to get all of our cheap phones and everything else.
Every every number of generations, another one of those countries
is gonna die off and become modernized, and it slides
to the next country. Because you think, you think India
is gonna stay doing this cheap labor shit, you don't
how many fucking engineers are over there like you think,

(37:45):
like quite literally, it is the reason why they're like, oh,
it's such a budding economy. It's because, yes, it's making
a lot of money. But more importantly, young people are
getting educated. And when young people get educated, it starts
to change the entire country because they go, well, America
is weird.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
How isn't that weird? How the fucking industrial age of
America health propel the growth of colleges in America and
get people like skills and educations that they don't need
to do those jobs anymore. Isn't it weird how that
fucking works? And it's like seems like a natural cycle
that you can kind of count on to.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
Right and yet that natural cycle, these people want the
industrial revolution, a higher education, and then they want to
go all the way back to bringing back an industrial revolution.
Why it's it's not supposed to be a circle, guys, Like,
it's supposed to be a one time cycle. Like you
you get there and then you fucking move on to

(38:37):
the next part of the cycle, or a different cycle
that is higher education, you know, you know, I don't know,
artificial intelligence, space travel, whatever the fuck it is. You
start moving forward. You guys are still stuck in this loop.
You don't You're like, but you know, like you hear
conservatives like elatri cars aren't in the future. This is
the same mindset of these people. They are ludites. They

(38:58):
don't want to change, They don't don't want to move.
The world is moving past you, and the world is
moving past the United States. But we have someone at
the helm who is unwilling to see that. He thinks
he can just put his fucking you know, Trump steak
in the ground and go we ain't moving. And now
you see what the economy is doing because of it, right,
and like he's going put the brakes on it, and

(39:19):
everyone's like okay, and then everyone's falling off a cliff.
That's not good. By the way, it's not just the
American economy. This affects the world economy too.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Mh.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
So all right, so news you need God damn it.
I did not want to get fired up about that.
I really didn't.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
I've been I've been fucking I've been raging for the
path like pretty much all week.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
No, it's fair, it's fair. You know who else has
been quietly raging? He's just well no, actually not not
so quiet, actually not quiet, but calmly, calmly raging. I'm look,
I am on record in saying that Corey Booker is
a herb. Okay, Corey Booker is a big old dork.
He probably tell you the same. Look at this picture

(40:02):
in this story. He's a nerd, right, he's a big
old nerd. But he's a good dude. But he's a
good dude and he gives a shit, and he's a
legitimate guy. When people are they're no good politicians. Corey
Booker is one of them. Like he's a good politician,
he doesn't always get it right. He you know, he's
he's got you know, some corporatized because of course.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
We're we're weirdly tied to the farm industry in ways
that's that's bizarre.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
And yeah, let that go, Just just let it go.
You're you're popular enough in New Jersey, you'd be fine,
like like, you don't need these people, right, But he's
a legitimate dude, and he decided that. He said he
heard from uh, his constituents in New Jersey, both on

(40:48):
the liberal side and the conservative side, saying like, hey man,
we are pissed about what's happening in DC. We're pissed
at Donald Trummon and Republicans. This is fucking horseshit. You
got to get loud, You got to do something, you
know what. To his credit, he listened, and he went
up and did what twenty how many hours?

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Twenty five hours and five minutes on the floor holding
the floor, which is a record, and very poetically the
record that he broke used to belong to one of
the biggest pieces.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Of shit to ever hold political office in this country,
Sean Thurman, who set that record filibustering against the Civil
Rights Act in the late nineteen fifties. Yeah, so pretty
cool that a black man was the one to get
up there and relegate that little bit of history to
the dustbin.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Yeah, look, I think it's great he was. Of course,
Booker was assisted by fellow Democrats who gave him a
break from speaking by asking him questions on the centate floor,
which is dope. It reminds me of that that moment
in the West Wing, which I which I just I
love it. Just I was like, this is like pure Sorcanism,
Like I love.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
How about said, well, you're very Sorkin filled.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
Yes, Like everyone has to talk freely fast for no reason.
Slow down, we don't have to walk right now, we
could just talk by sitting down. It's fine, Aaron.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
No.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
But look, I'm proud of Corey Booker. I think it matters.
Obviously he's talking about the discussing behavior of the Trump
administration and Donald Trump very specifically in democracy, and like.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Yeah, this, this is this is this is this is
the wild thing too, like like so for so this
is something he planned to do. He didn't really tell
anyone that he was doing it. Apparently he fasted since
the prior, so he did this on Monday, I believe
he had Tuesday. He did on Tuesday. He had fasted
since the prior Saturday, and he apparently stopped drinking water

(42:48):
on like Sunday, like sometime on Sunday to prepare for
this because he can't go to the bathroom while he's
holding the floor, because you have to you have to
yield the floor in order to step out of the
chamber to take a pee break. So he literally stood
there in the well for this entire time, talking for
most of the time. And unlike strom Thurman, who at

(43:09):
points during his filibuster read out of the encyclopedia, and
unlike Ted Cruz who when he did his famous filibuster
against against funding the government back in twenty thirteen, you know,
was reading Doctor Seuss and Green Eggs at him, Corey
Booker was actually did not waste any time during this
during this speak, during this speaking most right, he had

(43:31):
stuff to talk about the entire time, which is which
is really fucking impressive, and it got a shitload of attention.
Like this, this is all people were talking about on Tuesday,
as on Monday night into Tuesday, as it was building
momentum as it was going and you're like, oh, big,
big fucking deal. I mean doing this like he wasn't
filibustering anything specifically, but by doing this he did he

(43:55):
did delay like the sentence business for like an entire
daily They could not do anything while he was up
here doing this. I'm hoping it inspires a lot of
Democrats to get off of their ass in a similar
fashion and realize, like, oh shit, we got to do
some different stuff to get attention, and we have to
do things we we can't just do things like we've

(44:16):
been doing them for the past several several years. And
and immediately in the wake of that, like Adam Schiff
talked about, hey, like I'm gonna move to put in
I don't know what what rule he's going to trigger
to block Ed Martin, who's going to be the district
attorney attorney nominated nomination for DC that the Trump administration

(44:39):
plans on putting up here soon. And I think it's
kind of inspired a lot of Democrats to get in
the game.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
And and look, shift you should already be in the fight.
Come on, man, like this is this is your fucking
bread and butter, right, Like So look, I'm proud of
Cory Booker though I really am. I've always I've always
liked him, Like I was a little angry at him
while he was dating Rosario Dawson just does his But
also like also proud for for dorks everywhere, go go

(45:14):
Corey Booker. She could have been the first lady.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Many By the way, a weird, a weird fact came
out of this uh that people found in I think
John Fetterman's book or Corey either his or Cory Booker's book.
Apparently Corey Booker dated John Fetterman's wife before she was
with you.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
What, oh shit, that's wild. Oh shit, Ry Booker's out
that's weird. That's a weird that's a weird factor. Wait
for you, that is a weird one. Yeah, Cory Booker's
out there slinging dick guys like I'm just saying, dude,
like I don't know what's going on. Yo, Look, I'm
gonna start the room with Corey Booker is fucking packing heat.

(45:53):
They could go twenty five hours, ladies.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
What's up?

Speaker 1 (45:56):
No, But that's dope, man, and especially it breaking Strompzermon's record.
I think that's dope as fuck because that piece of
ship again, you're you're, you're famous for filibustering the civil
rights movement. Thanks a lot, like and you lost, so
fuck you. M I was gonna say something rude, and

(46:18):
I will. I'm glad he's dead. He always looked to
me like the guy in those songs of the Lambs movies,
or maybe it was Hannibal where the guy had his face.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
Yes, yes, yes, you're right off Gary Old's character.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Yes, yeah, he looked like he looked as good as.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
I never, I never, I never put that together. You
are you are spot on.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Yeah, And it's funny because Gary Oldman's character looked better,
which is why. So yeah, that's uh, that was a
huge accomplishment. So I do want to acknowledge that. Next up,
Social Security acting leader faces calls to resign over decision
to mains contracts. Have you read this story, Brad, This

(47:03):
is fucking.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
I have read this story, and it's funny. Uh what
it comes back to because we I don't know if
you guys remember this. We talked about it briefly on
the show. So Trump had uh had a had a
luncheon like the annual Governor's luncheon where he brings in
all the governors and fucking talks in front of them
or whatever at the White House, and there was a

(47:26):
there was a viral moment that came from that where
he talked He basically called out Janet Mills, who was
the governor of Maine, for essentially defying the federal government's
UH directive to UH basically basically like, he's like, oh,
you guys are still allowing transgender athletes to participate in

(47:48):
college sports.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Yeah, and what you want been the need to his
executive order.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Right, and and she was like, yeah, because that's what
our state law says. That's what we're gonna do. And
he and he called her out on it and and
he's like, oh, we'll pull your fun and she's like,
I'll see you in court. Yeah, and so and so
that yeah, and so this this follow this story is
a follow up to that. This is this is the recifrocation.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
Yeah, so soci Security Administry Social Security Administration's acting commissioner
is being told that he should step down. Spoiler alert,
He's not going to, okay, But because they there were
newly unearthed emails showing that on March fifth, the Social
Security had made a decision to cut funding social security

(48:33):
contracts to the state of Maine because I don't know
if this oh yeah, it does have the quote Leland
Leland Dudek, who is the acting commissioner, said quote, no
money will go from the public trust to a petulant child.
It's how he referred to Janet Mills. She's the petulant
child because she was following the law. But the guy

(48:54):
you work for isn't the petulant child who or you're
not the petulant child for cutting social security benefits for
an entire state because she wouldn't shit on transgender athletes,
by the way, following the fucking laws of the country anniversity.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Well, and it wasn't just that, by the way. So
the thing that they did first before they went to
cut trying to cut funding is this this piece of
shit issued in order saying that main parents and only
parents in Maine who had newborns. So so typically when
you have a kid, like all the all the solid

(49:33):
security paperwork is handled at the hospital because you're already
fucking there. You're probably gonna be there for a couple
of days anyway, Like it's it's easy to do because
you're trying to take care of this new fucking child
that you haven't learn, you know, learn the ropes of
being a new parent. So pretty pretty something that's been
that's happened for decades. Well, the order that he put
out will now in every in every state. The order

(49:53):
that he put out said, well, now, if you live
in Maine and you have a kid, uh, you're gonna
actually have to go down to the Social Security Office
to register your child with the sole security number instead
of it happening at the hospital. Now, that got quickly
rescinded because people are like, what the fuck. And he
had to walk that back really quickly. But then he

(50:14):
went to this, uh, this funding cut that they're trying.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Yeah, but there I think they walk that back as well.
Like when that got unearthed, they were like, oh, did
you see our emails? Was it in Gmail? More on
that later. So, who's the petulant child you're trying to hurt?
Main citizens? Because she stood up against a ruling, or

(50:39):
not even a ruling, she stood up against an edict
that you put out, and she was like, I'm just
doing what the state, our state and federal government actually says.
Not your fucking fucking just random edict that you came
up with, like she's the asshole. This is how you
handle him, Like when I was reading and remembering back

(51:01):
that little exchange they headed the governor's thing. Uh, because
you can watch the video of it.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Mhm.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
I mean I would have been way harsher, like like
I just she was. She was tough, right, she was
just like I'll see you in court, and he was
like you will see me in course. She was like okay,
like bitch, I don't give a fun I just well,
I just said what I said, like want me to
repeat it. But I would have been way harsher because
you know his I he he weirdly respects people who

(51:27):
push back at him, right, like he'll he'll.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
He'll be He's like any He's like any bully, right,
He's like any bully you punched him in the face.
They back down. I don't understand why people don't understand that.
It's like again, something that's happened a million times before,
Like like you stand up to this administration, they back down.
It's already happened, like we're seeing it happening.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Now, right I I I skied it. I don't know
on Blue Sky or whatever whatever is, whatever tweet is
uh skeat. I don't know which which is?

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Which is why Like we talked about last week, like
you know, like with Wumba and all these schools and
all these law firms like capitulating and betting that you like,
what are you doing, like while you're showing his weakness,
which means that they're gonna come after you that much more.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Yeah, this is gonna double down. And and they and
they already got your number at that point, right because
they know that you're going you're you're weak, right, You're
because you're now at a lower position. You're like, please
don't hurt me. And they're like I'm already punching you,
Like I'm gonna punch you again. Of course, like this
is fun for us, So like I would have been
way hard.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
I saw, I saw, I saw a great I saw
a great post today and that that more people. So
like you know how people are are telling people, hey,
don't you know, don't comply in advance or don't obey
in advance, that sort of thing, and they're like, we
gotta get away from that because like you're scolding your
friends and like it's it sounds argumentative with people that
you agree with. The new things should be fuck you
make me, because that's directed at the right person. That's

(52:45):
that's the threat that the people that are actually trying
to hold you back shows defiance in their fucking face,
which you need to so so instead of don't apply
in advance, fuck you make me?

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Yeah, No, I like that. I like that.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Uh, we're gonna talk. We're gonna talk about the sort
of black bagging of individuals and due process and in
uh just a few minutes, I'm gonna I'm gonna tell
you something that's going to happen. I much like uh
fucking Johnny Carson. I'm gonna Creskin the Magician this ship.
I'm gonna tell you the future. And when you hear my,

(53:19):
uh my prediction, you're gonna go, yeah, that is the
one hundred thing that's going to happen. I guarantee you. So, yeah,
fuck you make me is a pretty good that's a
pretty good person, because I mean when he said, oh,
are you gonna are you gonna comply with you know
my nich I'd be like no, I wouldn't even give
it over like a reason why I would have just

(53:41):
said no, or just laugh because that's all that sounds
like some asshole thing I would do. And then he'd
be like, I'm gonna cut your funning, and and my
answer would have been like do it like I just
do it like if you wanna, Actually it probably be
something more antagonistic than that, Like if you want to
hurt all of the citizens of main over something petty,

(54:01):
feel free to do that. I know the cameras are there.
I'm on my soapbox, baby, like.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
What the fuck?

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Yeah, And that's exactly how you sposed to play it.
Get like, just push back. Stop fucking bending these guys
all you. Oh, they're gonna they're gonna write new stories
about is. They're gonna yell at us on Fox News.
Let them yell. All he's doing is yell anyway.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Yeah, they're they're they're getting like, like you said, Facebook's better
than he left and right. Did you see how much
money Metal lost today?

Speaker 1 (54:31):
No, but I'm gonna I'm gonna look because you know
again you kink unlocked.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
Good.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
I hope it was a trillion dollars. Fuck them? Wow
they lost almost nine percent today? Yeah, best of lot, bitches. Uh, Look,
I love this for you I I truly do, I really,
I really love that for them. So they made a
ship ton of money just after January. I guess that

(54:59):
was when they said, we're no longer going to censor anything, right.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
We're not gonna fact check things anymore. We're not gonna
we're not gonna we're not gonna sensor hate speech, and.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
That they went full laissez fair. So they made a
ship ton of money in February, and then February fourteenth,
Valentine's Day, it was like end of that. And then
they just then but look, that's what you get. That's
what you get. It couldn't happen to a worst group
of individuals, so good. I don't care. I hope you

(55:30):
all end up destitute, like I truly truly do. I
hate I hate billionaires, all of them freed Luigi like that.
That's just my attitude. I just do not give a
fuck about any of these people. I hope that they suffer.
I don't need you to get shot.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
Like maybe it's like the Kevin Cruz joke of like
people are just like every time the rich like get
out over their skis a little bit like all this
story he has to do is like wheel in the
fucking portrait of people storming the best heel and they're
just like, oh, yeah, no, we better call that.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
It's just the animated gif of Luigi turning around, like
distribute the well, distribute the well, yeah, not get the
funk off. All right, So let's uh, let's take another
uh just a real quick break, and uh, we're gonna
talk about the uh the L Salvadorian prison story, which
I think is a fucking huge deal. All right. White

(56:23):
House admits that it deported a legal migrant to L
Salvadorian prison quote in error. But more importantly, they can't
get him back. All right, this is a Maryland This
guy's from Maryland, I believe he is. So, this guy's
name is Abrego Garcia, and so they picked this guy up.

(56:49):
He is, he is married, he's married, has a child
and a wife. His wife is a US citizen, which
makes him legally in the United States.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
In course, and he and he was here under protected
status by the way, right, so he is so he
was legally.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
Right, So he is not he's not an immigrant, not
an I legal immigrant. He is of legal status. He
is married to an American citizen. Those are all under
the guys of a person who is here or a
person who's in the United States legally and are not

(57:33):
a problem. Okay, he has no criminal record. He had
a tattoo, but it was it was a like, I
believe this is the guy who had the tattoo. That
was like an autism aware that this wasn't him, that
was another guy. There was another guy who got the
guy right. So, but this guy had no criminal record,
he did nothing wrong. This was literally a clerical error

(57:54):
that they went after this guy and picked him up
and sent him there. This is nothing short of something
that everyone in the administration who is involved in this,
including the President and the vice president, should go to
prison for. Sorry, they should go to prison for this.
This should piss off everyone. This is not a partisan issue.

(58:16):
This is not a well Democrats are really fine with
this and Republicans are. Let's talk about like, well maybe
this No, this person is a legal member of our society,
and they black bagged him and put him in a
fucking El Salvatorian prison, not an American prison. They just
sent this dude to another country that he's not from,

(58:39):
he has no connection to at all.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Well, and he and the thing is like their argument
for why they can now do nothing about this is
because he's not in American custody, they can't force the
Salvatorrean government to return him, so they have no recourse
to basically get this get this dude back, which that's
not and that's bulls.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
If you have a connection to send him, you have
a connection to get him back, that's bullshit.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Well, and here's and here's and here's the part that's
really going to fucking piss you off. So the person
who's really making himself look bad in what's already a
pretty fucking bad situation is jd Vance because jd Vance
took it upon himself to double down on sending this

(59:30):
dude specifically out of the country, despite the fact that
the administration that he is in came out and said, yeah,
we fucked up on this one. We we we screwed
up on this one, to the point where Jade Vance
went on Fox Today and tried to argue that like, oh,

(59:52):
this guy was not Father of the Year, he had
traffic violations. Uh so so that's not necessarily to say,
like he literally said that, I'm not fucking making it up. Apparently,
if you run a red light, or if you fucking
don't stop in a stout side or if you get
call speeding, that's Grahams to be fucking thrown into a
fucking el salvatory in gulag.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Okay, just just pause. I'd like to just uh pause
for blackness here. This is exactly what they do when
a black man is shot or a black woman's shop,
or police are killed in police custody. And it's like,
clearly the police have no argument of why they did it.
The guy's like, hey, don't I have a gun, Like

(01:00:33):
it's a legal gun, and they shoot the guy anyway,
and you're like, why'd you do it? And they're like,
I don't know. They immediately do this to black people,
which is well on social media. He once said Donald
Trump's a piece of shit, or that he disagreed that
the Eagles should have gone to the super Bowl. Whatever
fucking horseshit they can come up with to justify this
horrendous thing happening to this person. He has traffic violations, bitch,

(01:00:55):
I have traffic violation, doesn't mean I can get dragged
up to a gulag. That's insane. Why don't you just
say you fucked up, and we're working to get.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Because you can't. Because you can't, because you can't because
if you do, then you then you open yourself up
to you know whatever, whatever, you know, consequences.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
They can't suit into the fucking ground.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
They should that that poor woman. Should they any lawyer
worth their fucking soul they're going.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
To They are, I mean, I mean right, I mean
right now, they have an attorney who's currently working on
getting him out of El Salvador and back to the country,
Like that's fucking step number one. But you better believe
that they're gonna fucking file suit against the federal government.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
They absolutely should win. What the fuck. But the fact
that they're just like, dude, okay, I'm not saying like
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna give this like, well, okay,
they're at least they're you know, they should just be
trying to get him back. No, you should have never
done what you did to begin with. Right, none of this,
any of it, Any of these people, even people who
are a part of this gang. This has been as
in the gang or whatever. None of these people should

(01:02:02):
be just thrown into an Alice Aalbaldorian prison. That's fucking insane.
That's not how our country works. Maybe that's how other
countries work, but that's not how the United States works.
But all of it here, but.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Here's but here. But here's the other thing. And this
and this is a there's a dude on Twitter and
I don't know, I don't know who this guy is,
but he made a really coaching point about this. The
administration can't afford for this guy to come back to
the United States. They can't afford for it to happen now,

(01:02:31):
not because if he because if he does, he can
talk about, well, what goes on at this mysterious uh,
this mysterious prison that we've heard so much about, what's
what what like? What was a day in the life
like at this place? Uh that that that we're talking about?
How how did you get roped up in all this

(01:02:52):
to begin with? And if this dude is allowed to
fucking speak on that ship, it's gonna look real fucking
bad for the Trump administration and for Kaylee as well
for allowing the ship to go on. And what's most
certainly like a human rights violating institution. You know, he's
based on the article that you sent me and and
the stuff that you know has come out about this place.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Yeah right, like was a saikod I think it's called Yeah, look,
I am. I am not educated enough on sort of
l Salvadorian like gang violence by any means. I know
what's pretty bad or was really really bad, and I
and I don't take anything away from that. I understand
the the impetus for wanting to build something that's like

(01:03:38):
fucking Arkham Asylum for these like crazy gang you know
gangs and they're super violent and terrorizing people and killing
a lot of people. I get all of that. I
get even making it harsh. I understand that what I do.
And and again I'm gonna just stay out of that
because again I don't know enough about that situation. I'm
against from a standpoint of like violating people's human rights,

(01:04:01):
of like you just go into this box and you
live there until you die type of shit. I'm just
against that. Right. Does that mean I think that these
people should be free and roaming around no relaxed, Right,
I'm liberal. I'm not that fucking crazy liberal. Everyone should
be free and decide their own futures. Like now, these
guys are gang members and they murder people like, it's fine, right,
they can get locked up. What I have a major

(01:04:23):
problem with is this idea of you being able to
send American citizens to basically a black site and gets
getting rid of them. That's not okay, right. The argument
from the administration and that bubblehead fucking moron they have
as Press secretary is well, he's not an American citizen,
so it's not we don't have due process issues. You do,

(01:04:45):
though you do. And American citizens have got to stop
allowing and actually it's not even American citizens. The media
has got to stop allowing these debates over what is
clearly in the constitution.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Yeah, and that's you're right about that, Like like when
one like it's like one side is crazy, Like like
when one side is making a factual statement and the
other side is just making up bullshit. It's not a debate,
it's it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
Stop getting up there and be like, oh, what is
your thoughts?

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
Other Pam BONDI like character I don't even know her name,
Like Susie Blonde who camps as fuck. She's the worst
fucking press secretary I've seen in a long time, besides
the dumb one.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
We're just saying something because because like Trump haden Murderer's
row of Harveble Press secretary is during round one.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
So yeah, I mean, you had that one woman during
the Bush administration who didn't know anything about the Bay
of pigs, which was amazing, Like you worn't in the government.
All right, you know what imposter syndrome. Again, don't bother
having it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
But here, but here's I mean, and and but here's
the other thing that to your point, Yes, every person
in this country, regardless whether or not you were a
bona fide citizen, has due process rights under our constitution.
Like it's literally in the Constitution. The Constitution takes great
pains to separate in that amendment the word citizen from
the due process clause because they wanted to make it

(01:06:06):
clear like like that this is you agree with please file.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
Means Oh buddy, I got I got lots of information,
all right. So first off, so there's two there are
two parts of the Constitution that discuss due process right,
the Fifth Amendment and the Fourteenth Amendment. The Fifth Amendment
has far more to do with the federal government right
as far as but but I but I will read it.

(01:06:33):
But it's mostly focused on the federal government. No person
shall be held to answer for capital or otherwise infamous crime,
unless on the presentment or indictment of a grand jury,
except in cases arising in the land or naval forces. Again,
this is has nothing to know what we're talking about.
But basically, nor shall they be compelled, in any criminal

(01:06:54):
case to be a witnessed against themself, nor be deprived
of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.
Nor shall private property be taken for public use without
just compensation. Right, that's about the federal government. The fourteen Amendment,
Section one, which is this is what we really care about,
and this is what's relevant here. And I mentioned the
Fifth Amendment for a reason, and I'll get back to that.

(01:07:16):
Fourteen Amendment. Section one says, all persons born or naturalized
in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof
are citizens of the United States and of the state
wherein they reside. No States shall make or enforce any
law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens
of the United States. Now, I know, if you stop
reading there you go aha aha, see. But wait, there's more.

(01:07:42):
Nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty,
or property without due process of law, nor deny any
person within its jurisdiction the equal protections of the laws
within its jurisdiction. That phrase is crucial. It clarifies who
was protected under this amendment, namely those who are legal

(01:08:03):
that are legally subject to US laws. Citizens in legal residents. Right,
this guy's a legal resident. However, the due process clause
here restricts states governments from infringing on rights without fair
legal procedures. The equal protection clause that follows also ties
into jurisdiction, requiring states to apply laws fairly to quote,

(01:08:26):
all persons within their jurisdiction, not just citizens. And you
could say, well, that's your interpretation. It isn't my interpretation
because there are also Supreme Court It's the Supreme Court's
interpretation relevant court relevant court rulings on this right yik
Woe versus Hopkins eighteen eighty six, Supreme Court ruled that

(01:08:49):
non citizens are protected by the Fourteenth Amendments Equal Protection
clause quote. The Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution is not
confined to the protection of citizens. It says, nor shall
any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property
without due process of law. Then you can go to
two thousand and one. Right, we get a little bit
more modern that Vedas versus Davis court held that even

(01:09:14):
non citizens who are unlawfully present in the United States
cannot be detained indefinitely, they still have the right of
due process rights. Plier versus do nineteen eighty two struck
down in Texas law denying education to undocumented children, reaffirming
that quote, illegal aliens are persons under the Constitution and

(01:09:34):
thus entitled to due process and equal protection. There is
no argument that this guy should not have gotten due process.
There is no argument that anybody who is on a
visa on a college campus can get black bagged and
deported without due process. There is no argument. It is
not me making it up. It is the fucking Supreme
Court interpretation of what the Constitution says, And what it

(01:09:57):
clearly says is that person, not just citizens, are protected
and required due process if they are within the jurisdiction
of the United States American soil.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
So just quickly, just a quick rundown. People who are
protected under federal and state by federal government and by
state governments for due process right. The Fifth Amendment handles
whether they are protected by the federal government, and the
fourteenth Amendment is whether this. They're protected by the state
governments for due process. Spoiler, the list of people I'm

(01:10:31):
going to tell you are in both categories. They are
protected by both. Okay, US citizens are protected. Lawful permanent
residents are protected. Visa holder slash legal immigrants are protected,
which he was Okay, Undocumented immigrants are protected. Foreign nationals
in US legally or not are protected. You know who
isn't protected? Foreign diplomats and occupying forces or slash enemies

(01:10:54):
at war. Those are the only two groups that are
in fact not protected by due process. He is not
an occupying force, no matter what Republicans would tell you,
and he is not an enemy at war with the
United States, no matter what the Republican Party would tell you.
This is bullshit and those fuckers should be put in
prison for this. They should be put in fucking prison

(01:11:15):
for this. Everybody who authorizes shit, all the way up
to the goddamn President, they should push your big, dumb,
fucking head into the back of a squad car and
drive your ass to fucking prison. It is bullshit. It
is bullshit. There is no fucking well, maybe there's none
of that. There is no there's no middle ground on this.
It is very clear. If you say that, well we'll

(01:11:36):
take it to the Supreme Court. Cool, take it to
the Supreme Court and you can have that argument, and
then you can try to change the laws. You can
get Congress to change the law. But as it is
right now, get a fucking amendment done, because as it
stands right now, this is the law. That is what
the Constitution says. Get fucked. It's bullshit, man, that's just
that story pissed me the fuck off. And people are
just like, well, I mean whatever, if they can do

(01:11:58):
it to him, they can do it to you. How
do you how do you live in a country and
you're okay with this because guess what, how do they
know you're not a citizen if you don't have due process.
If I can walk up to Brad.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
That's kind of the whole that's kind of the whole
fucking point exactly, is like, that's why do process exist?
So that you can get to the facts, so that
you can get to the information that you need before
you make a irreversible decision that results in this person
potentially being in a fucking l Salvatore in jail for
the rest of his fucking life. I mean it literally,
like do Like the the whole origin of why we

(01:12:32):
adopted due process in this country goes back to the
fucking quote that everybody's heard before. Better that ten guilty
men go free than one innocent person suffer. Like that's
literally the whole fucking ethos behind why we have due
process in this country. Yeah, and again and to your
point as well, they'll do it to you. We have
seen this story before, like this is not a new playbook.

(01:12:53):
Like again, this is why they're going after trans people.
It's why they're going after people with disabilities because you
go after the weakest people first. And when people don't
fucking make it, stink about it, when people don't, you know,
take the hilt to back those people up, then you
start moving up the fucking social the social.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
Ladder mm hmm. And look and so here here is
me doing my my cruskin the magician show. Now that
people see this, now that especially because conservatives are just
like what's going on, I don't even know, I don't
even pay attention. But now that liberals see this that
you can be black bagged by people who are not

(01:13:29):
in uniform they have. You have no idea whether they're
actual work for the federal cover. But you have no
idea who these people are. None. They just but hey,
come with us, and they just put you in a
fucking van and just like take you to the airport.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
Oh by the way, like it's it's out of the docket.
But I feel I feel we're misdimention. Uh. We had
another college student that was picked up by ice, uh,
thrown into a van kicking and screening in broad daylight. Uh,
transported thousands of miles away. Uh, and they're kicking her
out of the country. Do you know why? She's a
graduate student? Do you know why they're kicking her out?

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
Yeah? She wrote some shit in a paper.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
She wrote an op ed saying, hey, maybe we should
not be bombing letting Israel. Israel bomb the shit out
of Palace Tony people. That's it, Yep, that's all it was.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
So what's a justification now, right? Because they make up
shit like oh they're violent, they don't know what's the
justification now? They black baged this girl.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
She according to the Secretary of State, she well, she
she's a rabble rouser. So we need to get her
like like you're gonna come over here. If you're gonna
come over here and you're gonna cause trouble, cause ruckus. Yeah,
you're gonna go.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
So so here's my prediction. Now that you know that,
what's the over under on these guys coming to these
protests on Saturday or coming to other events and you know,
trying to black black bag someone and it gets shot
or there's a shootout. Because you're getting to a point

(01:14:57):
where you're making American citizens start to question who the
fuck are these people? And if people start to do
that and they already are and a figure, well, there's
no there's no recourse for these people. We have to
save them. And I don't know who the fuck you are?
What stops somebody from what stops like just bad dudes

(01:15:20):
from just grabbing some woman off the street. There's no reman,
Oh no, where were ice? How would you know?

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
Yeah? That's that's the other thing that the people that
they were in uniform weren't wearing identification add on masks
to cover themselves up, like you Like, there's video of
it and you can see bystanders be like who the
fuck are you guys, like like not identifying themselves in
any way, shape or form. Yeah, Like when you start
doing that ship, you're right, Like people are like, okay, Like,

(01:15:49):
if this is how it's gonna be, I'm gonna I'm
going to protect myself, as Republicans say, I should be
able to under the Second Amendment.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
And then what so then what right? Like again, I'm
just saying, man, you are creating a powder kick. You
are and no one else is doing this but you.
You're doing it, Like if you wanted to do this shit.
And again, i am vehemently against all of this spoiler alert,

(01:16:18):
rewind the fucking video twelve seconds ago, Like it is
very obvious, right, I'm not cool with any of this shit.
But if you were going to do this, you wouldn't
do it with a bunch of unidentified people. You would
do it in an upright, in your face way. These
people are from Ice. We're taking you into custody because X,

(01:16:38):
Y and C we have a warn out for your arrest,
Like you would just do that but to black bag them,
and shit, you're you're really gonna have a hard time
beating the charges of You're kind of like the SS.
You're gonna have a real hard time beating the Nazi
comparisons like you just start, you're the state police, right
what any we're We're.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
Not stupid, Like the whole point is to call the
whole point is to tamp down and to make people
not want to fight. But again, I don't I don't
read a fucking history book, man, Like this kind of
shit doesn't really make people back down. Usually makes people
rise up that much harder.

Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
Yeah, look, people will back down for a bit because
they're scared, until you get like some Italian kid who
decides that he's gonna do some different shit, right, Like
those kind of moments, like you know, love them or not,
those are those are watershed moments. They are. And the
idea that you're just because now this story is very real,

(01:17:37):
is that they put a guy in this prison who
was innocent, not a guy who you're like, I don't
want to defend the fucking like this guy who's like
maybe a murdering, fucking ms R teen guy. I don't
want to. I don't want to defend that guy. Right,
you don't want to be on the internet defending that,
But you can be on the internet defending this. There's
no problem in defending this. This guy is innocent. So

(01:17:59):
how long do you think you can go before people
bring guns with them to these events? How long? How
long before you have citizens firing shots at these ice
guys or whoever the fuck they are trying to protect. Dude,
I'm sorry, I'm not. I'm not a gun guy. Like,
I'm just not. This is not my back. But if
i'm if I was, and even though I'm not, if

(01:18:22):
I see a van pull up and just start grabbing
a woman off the street, yo, what the fuck? Like,
there's gonna come a time where people go, let's ride
on these people.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
There's five of them and there's twenty of us, right,
you know what I mean? Like it's going to get
to that point, And it's gonna get to a point
where major American cities that are largely not like that
are just gonna have a bunch of people carrying guns around.
That's not a good thing. That's a bad situation. And
once that, once that is that that uh can of

(01:18:56):
tuna or out of the tube, worm is out of
the can, whatever the fuck the terminus. Once that, once
that's fucking out there, cat is out of the back. Yeah,
there you go, what's that cat? Is out of the
toothpaste container. You cannot put You can't put it back, right,
You can't because you have now you've gone over the edge.

(01:19:19):
It is only it is only a matter of time
before people feel the need to fight back in a
bunch of ways that none of it is positive because
the story is gonna be I can't believe that this
liberal person shot a member of Ice. Woe is me,
And my thought is, I can't believe it took this long, Right,
I'm serious, and I'm not advocating for that. I'm telling

(01:19:42):
I'm just telling you. What the fuck do you think
is going to happen when you're snatching kids? These are kids, right,
Like this guy was older, but you're snatching kids off
of college campuses. What the fuck? Man? What happens when
they start to come after people in conservative areas? Right? Yeah,

(01:20:02):
maybe that person's liberal or whatever. But if you're in
fucking if you're in ship kick in Georgia or whatever,
you don't know that you just this is a god
with a cowboy head on. I don't know that God
is just like me when they come to snatch his
ass up? What do you think happens? Like you have
to realize that your actions have consequences.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
This is like part of like thermodynamics, like these are
a couple of a couple of rules, like there is
always going right there, there is going to be an
opposite and equal reaction. You cannot just think that you
can black bag people on the street and everyone is
gonna go, that's cool, bro, not a big deal. Ask
Victor Orbon. He's like, I gotta get the fuck out
of here, right like, and that's hungry, and he's got

(01:20:45):
a he's got a pretty tight grip on that country
until he does.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
He's got he's got the he's got the coorts, he's
got he's got the legislature, and he's still getting run out,
run out on the rail.

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
Right regardless, Again, apropos of nothing. I need people to
loup howmon markonoffe dot okay, like like they will come
for you, man, They will come for you. And it
may not be today, it may not be tomorrow. But
this type of shit sets people off, and people watch
it like that and they go.

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