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March 26, 2025 84 mins
This week on Look Forward, we break down the biggest political stories dominating the headlines, including Pete Hegseth's top secret military operations group chat on Signal, Chuck Schumer's massive vote screw-up on the continuing resolution, and AOC's star is rising in the Democratic Party and what her future may hold. From classified war plans on public chat applications to a legendary Democratic politician's inability to under the moment he's in, we bring clarity and analysis you won’t find anywhere else. Also in this episode:
  • Trump administration violating judges orders on deportations
  • Invalidating previous pardons from other presidents?
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Speaker 1 (00:20):
Hello, welcome to a brand new episode of Look Forward.
I'm your host Jay. I'm here with my co host Brad.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hold On, hold on, I'm in my I'm in a
secret group chat with the Department of Defense and various
other people were discussing huge matters of the United States government.
They don't know him in here.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Oh that's good, that's good.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
My favorite one was the meme of like the two
people up late night like texting like you up. It's
like about the bomb, the Hooties, and yet like all right, cool,
thanks thanks for letting me know. Yeah, okay, we have
been off last week, but we're back. And boy, I
felt like last week you and I were talking offline.
It's like, oh man, I wish we were online. You know.

(01:01):
This week, you know, there's plenty of stories, you know
to talk about. Nah, like once again, that train does
not stop rolling. Like we're back and it's like a
major story breaks today.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
And and in fact, for once, we're the beneficiaries of
having waited. Yes, yeah, Jane and I. Jan and I
were both sick last week, sick of what's going on
in the government right now.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
But yeah, that's that's the type of sick good god. Yeah,
so we're back. Look before we get into the d
O DH adding look forward into their fucking signal group chat.
Come on, guys, do it.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
We're sliding into their DMS. That's what as we kids say,
the d.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
O D is sliding into our DMS. And before we
get to that story, because that's a huge one, let's
talk about the the Chuck Schumer fallout because it's it's
the story we would have had a blast dunking on
last week had we been here. Looks souk Schumer caves
and decides to end cloture by voting with the Continued Resolution,

(02:07):
him and ten other or nine other Democrats in the Senate.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Well, so here's so here's the funny thing. So timeline
of events, so like you know, like a couple. So
this happens last week, the week before, just like days prior.
Chuck Schumer is talking to so they pass you know,
this awful you know, continuing Resolution in the House barely
gets by. It requires literally every Republican vote except for

(02:30):
Thomas Massey, and one Democrat voted for it, Jared Golden,
a main who's you know, a piece of shit anyway,
But Schumer's talking to the press. He's like yeah, He's like,
the Republicans don't have the votes to get past culture,
Like I don't know, tell them, like they don't, they
don't have the votes, so we're they're gonna need to
engage in this process. And then like he wakes up

(02:51):
days later, he's like, oh, man, they don't have the votes,
like we him.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Well, I thought it was like literally twenty four hours
they're like, we're not doing It was.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
A little bit more than that, but it's still like
an incredibly short amount of time to go from oh,
they don't have the votes to well, let me give
him the votes now. He wanted to make very distinct
the fact that all of these him and these other
nine Democrats voted for was to vote to end cloture,
which is basically ending debate on the bill, which the
Democrats could have technically filibustered, and they didn't actually vote

(03:22):
for the bill itself. He wanted to be very certain
that he did not vote for the bill itself. But again,
when you don't have when the Republicans only need fifty
votes to pass the bill and they have fifty three,
you don't have to vote on the bill itself to
effectively get it pasted, and his stated reasoning for doing
this was as bad as this continuing resolution is, and

(03:43):
it's real bad, and it doesn't provide any accountability or
oversight for Elon Musk and his goons dismantling the government,
which would have been a major ask of the Democratic
Party if they got involved in negotiations. It would have
been somehow worse to formally shut down the government instead
of just letting it happen in slow mocean essentially.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Right, And look, I understand the I understand the impetus
behind the argument, but it's not a very good one
in real life, right like, and here's.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
And here's the real here's the real undercutting of that argument.
So I can't remember what union it is that covers
like the majority of federal workers, but there's like one
union that covers most federal positions, and that union, So
the people that would literally be the most impacted by
a government shut down because they literally would not be
able to work if the federal government was shut down,

(04:42):
they came out and said, yeah, we don't think you
should vote for the CR like it's it's fucking awful.
We you know, we we do not support it, go
ahead and shut the government down, right, like like they
are basically like yeah, like this this, yeah, yeah, because
they see what's happening right now. They are literally living

(05:02):
in the chaos of Elon Musk and right.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
So like again, I understand the impetus, like I understand
Chuck Schumer's thought process, right, which is, hey, if we
shut down the government, we don't know what they're gonna do,
and like you know, all these people are not gonna
get paid. And also this stuff is not gonna work.
And here's my thing. I can understand your thought process
does not mean I agree with it. And let me

(05:30):
tell you, boy, do I not agree with it? Because
this is a thing that has plagued the Democratic Party
for decades and it is as simple as understanding a
time honored film speed okay, right, like you know, pop quiz, hotshot,

(05:52):
shoot the hostage in the leg okay, like you have
to at some point, we have been doing this thing
where we have we have watched Republicans carry the American
people over to the cliff and they grab them by
the arm and they dangle them there and they're like, Democrats,
you gotta give us what we want. We're gonna kill
this guy. We're gonna fucking do. We're gonna drop this guy.

(06:13):
We will, we will. And Democrats run at the last
minute and grab the armor of the Republicans and pull
everyone back off the cliff. And what happens is all
the American people go is, hey, man, I'm hanging on
this cliff. And when I you know, after, I like
figure out what the fuck's going on. And I opened
my eyes. The two people I see standing next to

(06:33):
the cliff where I was being you know, dangled off
of is the Republicans and the Democrats. So I assume
you're both a part of this. Right, That's all they see,
because again, the American public has the memory of goldfish. Right,
this is like you, you know, love it or leave it.
That's fucking true. Right, stop standing next to the cliff.

(06:54):
If they want to go dangle the American public over
the cliff, sometimes you're gonna have to go fucking do it.
Go ahead, fucking do it. And then the American public,
for better or for worse, gets to find out what
the difference is between them and you, and you keep
rescuing them from themselves, and they get to go, oh, look,

(07:18):
the idiot Democrats are gonna come and save the day
at the end, and we get the we get to
negotiate and do whatever the fuck we want. Wait, we're
gonna shut down the government. You're ripping the government apart
right now. As I said to you guys in the
in our group chat that pete hegseth has obviously been
added to Like there will be more of that throughout
the entire show. As I said to you guys, look,

(07:41):
you're literally making the argument let me let me kill
you today or I'm gonna kill you tomorrow. What is
your threat? We're gonna shut the government down? How many
how many thousands of people? Ten hundreds of thousands of
American federal workers have you fired already? How many many
major parts of the American government have you ripped and

(08:03):
destroyed already? You're already shutting it down in not so
slow motion. Then go ahead and do it. Rip the
fucking band aid off and shut the government down. But
they might do other shit. They're doing it in the daylight.
What is it?

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Fuck, it's it's gonna happen one way or the other.
And again, like you can even make the argument that, like,
if you're the Democrats and they never would because they
don't have the stones to do this. But like, if
people were to criticize you for standing aside, like you
can even make the argument like, hey, this is what
the American people voted for. If people wanted to prevent
this from happening, they could have made sure that we

(08:39):
held both houses of Conference of Congress. They like Republicans
talked about doing this shit through the campaign, they chose
not to listen exactly. I'd love to stop the I
would love to pass a funding bill that I think
would help this country, but the American people don't see
it that way. So we're gonna go ahead and stand
over here. We're gonna let the Republicans govern. They have

(09:00):
the majorities, they have the votes. Uh, they have a
division of how the country should be correctly run. And
we're gonna let them. We're gonna let them do their
thing right and we'll and we'll be here to stop
like the most egregious shit from happening.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
But when the government opens again, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
But aside from that, uh, you know, you get, elections
have consequences, as they say.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Right, and I just at a certain point, like in
the past, I definitely would have been like, look, you
gotta keep it open, you got to help people Toever,
this is a very different situation.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
I'm gonna say this is this is not normal times.
Like like even even the prior Trump administration you could
argue is more normal than what we're seeing here because
they weren't going fucking insane. Like he was insane and
the people like directly next to him were also kind
of insane. But throughout the cabinet there was not insanity.

(09:53):
Like you think Rex Tillerson would have been cool with
fucking Elon Musk coming into the fucking Secretary of State
and that's faught him for real. Yeah, but like what
the fuck you do? I'm like, get out of here,
you fucking Doe shaped, fucking piece of shit. Like I'll
beat the fuck out of you.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Right, like try to I clean toilets and x not
you know, not right, Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Mean hatre car company, bitch, you.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Sucking up my profits?

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Right.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
So, like this idea that you need to run to
the rescue of the American people, I understand that thought process.
I truly understand it, and I look, I'm trust me.
I will be the last person to come on here
and be like let me, let me jump in front
of the bullet that the political bullet that it's coming
for Chuck Schumer. Now fuck him. But to me, I

(10:40):
understand that. But this, amongst many other things, shows that
a lot of these got Chuck Schumer, the the president
of Columbia University very specifically, fuck that guy. And all
these other old people still think that this is in
the normal times and you have not, for some reason

(11:03):
figured out how slow you are on the uptake. This
is not normal. You are reacting in a way that
is of the normal political situation, and we'll just wait
it out.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
You can't, dude. They Chris Chris Hayes. Chris Hayes brought
him on like the day that he announced that they
would give the votes to get past culture to basically
like what, dude, what the fuck are you doing? Like
like that's that's basically like this Like like Hayes was
about is put together as he could be given the circumstances.
Like you could tell that he really wanted like he

(11:36):
really wanted to just like be exacerbated, but like he
had to he had to be professional and like Chuck,
like he's like you realize that, like we're in a
constitutional crisis right now, like like that's happening as we speak,
like like this administration right is defying judges orders right now,
Like that's happening. And Truction was like, well, you know,

(11:57):
if they defied the Supreme Court, then that then will
be in a constanc Like he keeps moving the goalposts
for them. It's like, dude, what are you doing?

Speaker 1 (12:05):
No, like and that's so weird if we if he
violates the Supreme Court, then we're in an issue they
run the fucking court man like that that will likely
never be the issue? Is that? Is that the fucking
line for you is that the president just outright ignoring
the Supreme Court by the way he will if he
needs to. You don't have to guess. I hate when

(12:26):
people will well you don't know that this one we
pretty we can. I think I could say with absolute certainty,
I would bet your mother's fucking Social Security benefits on
it that that will one hundred happen. And also violating
any judges orders illegal, Like it doesn't have to be

(12:47):
the Supreme Court.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
It could be a fucking appellation or like the process
exists where it's like, oh, I disagree with this judge's order,
I will appeal and let an appellate. That's how it's
supposed to work, right, It's not just like oh, fuck
you until we get the appeal, Like I'm just gonna
do whatever the fuck I want. Like that's not how
this works. So and and by the way, with like
slow moving as the judicial system is, and it is

(13:11):
incredibly slow moving, that is where the administration is currently
being stymied right now because a lot of the ship
that they're doing is getting in front of judges and
is being and as they're having the fucking door slammed
on their face, and the rank and file attorneys who
are the actual people that staff areas like the Department
of Justice and stuff like that, aren't gonna go in

(13:31):
front of a fucking judge and say some bullshit and
just willfully defy a judge's fucking order because there's actual
consequences in real time.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Yeah, you're doing that, you'll get fucking this park.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Like or you get held in contempt and get thrown
in a fucking jail cell. So like that's like that's
gonna that's gonna happen there, And you literally have judges
that are telling these fucking Trump attorneys like you can
see it in court frainships, like you're not gonna fucking
tell the public what's actually going on, and then come
over here and give me a completely differ for a
set of facts. Do you think I'm a fucking idiot?

(14:02):
Well they they didn't say fucking but like, but like,
do you think I'm stupid to fucking see this shit?
And here's the other reason that the humor thing really
pissed me off to you, by the way, and I
wanted to make sure I mention this. So obviously this
shit got voted on in the House first, right, And
basically Hakim Jeffries did a fucking amazing job keeping the

(14:24):
Democrats in the House united behind, not giving this thing
any support except for fucking Jared Golden in me right,
So like, Kahim Jeffries did an amazing job doing this,
including a lot of Democrats who got elected in Republican
districts or more purple districts that might have a difficult
primary challenge that they have to face in a couple

(14:46):
of years that they could that you know, potentially their
constituents if the government did shut down, could have thrown
this vote in their fucking face, but they still took
the vote anyway, because I guess Hakim Jeffries thought like
the Senate had his back to make sure this shit
was gonna be stopped happening. And then Chuck Schumer hung
all of those fucking guys out the dry ye. Like,
we've seen Republicans do this shit before, and it's not

(15:07):
fun when they do it either. But like the fucking
weak sauce is like truction. We're trying to be like, oh,
it's different than the houseboat because if we had voted
to stop this, the government actually would have shut down. Sorry,
but like they hold just as much right, like they
hold just as much uh you know, steak as you
do in this ship. So it's it, like I said,
the fact that you funk, And Jefferys was pissed by

(15:29):
the way because like jet like literally a couple of
days later, when he was doing his press conference, one
of the reporters asked him, They're like, hey, do you
think the Senate needs new leadership in the Democratic side,
And his response to that was, next question.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
They do they do? Yeah, I'm sorry they do, which
you know, obviously brings us to the next point. Uh, Yeah,
Chuck Schumer counsels his book tour.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Yeah, had a book tour scheduled literally in the day
is following this, and uh oh, you postponed it because
of quote, security concerns, because he pissed off a load
of Democratic voters.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
Yeah, and by the way, they're damn security concerns. You know,
you're old man. You don't want get yelled at because
those those people at those town halls and those book doors,
they're gonna give you a fucking earful And you should,
by the way, if you're going to make that choice
when everyone is screaming to do the opposite, you should
be able to stand on fucking business and listen to

(16:29):
the you know, catch the you know, slings and arrows,
so to speak, coming from your constituents. But you're not
gonna do that because you're a fucking coward. Look, just
own the ship that you said or that you voted for.
Just own it. Well, I didn't vote for the actual bill.
Oh tomato, tomato, like fucking like own it. I'm tired

(16:50):
Republicans do the same thing. The second they do some wild,
dirty shit. They want to run away and not do
town halls and listen to their constituents. No, fuck that,
staying on business on what you said and what you
voted for in your actions in d C. You don't
get to run from it. That's bullshit. And I have
a problem with Republicans doing it, and I have a
problem with the Democrat doing it too. Any Democrat. If
you do something and the Republicans or Republican or Democrats

(17:14):
who are your voters don't fucking like it, and they
are super vocal about it, you got to be able
to stand on business and say this is the reason
I did it. They can look, they can agree or
not agree. You can make the argument, but you're not
making the argument. What you're doing is you're running the
fuck away from it because you know in your heart
of hearts it didn't fucking fly. Because that shit doesn't

(17:34):
make any sense. That's why. So Yeah, I mean everybody
is saying, hey, Chuck, you're from New York. I want
you to get the fuck out of here, and uh
and let us give a little promotion to our girl AOC.
This feels like the most obvious thing in the world
to me. I mean, she'd probably run on a post.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, you think if she if she's if she ran
that he would he would just not run again.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
No, no, he's out. He ain't trying to get embarrassed
because Chuck Shimer had lost the raise Like that, that's true. Yeah,
that's his thing. Like he he'd rather go out before
like the Undertaker loses that Russell Mania type of shit, right,
Like he don't want to go out and get dumped
on by a young a young gun fucking progressive. No way,
he would rather just be like, ah, I think it's
my time or whatever. Horseshit. I'd like to really spend

(18:27):
time with my family even though I'm one hundred and
five years old now. Also, Chuck Shimer said something the
other day that I thought was really fucking weird and gross.
He said, my job is to make and I'm paraphrasing,
but like barely, my job is to make sure that
the left stays pro Israel. It's not your fucking job.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
That's not your job.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
That's not your fucking job, not your job, not your
fucking job. And look, I am grossed out by the
level of like everyone is like cool with like weird
open anti semitism now like online, it bothers the shit
out of me. And I'm not like all Jews are Israel,
and Israel all Jews, fucking nonsense. It's like that's a

(19:09):
government of a bunch of people or pieces of shit, right,
But that's not all Jewish people. But your job isn't
to make sure the less stays pro Israel. Your job
is to do right by your constituents who are Americans.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
And to be even more fair, his job is the
Senate minority leader, is to make sure that his party
wins elections in the Senate, that his party's positions are
well represented in the Senate. Now, he may think that
that position needs to be emphatically pro israel. I would

(19:46):
argue that the position needs to be emphatically pro citizen
out in Israel, whether that's in Israeli, whether that's Israeli
citizens or Palestinian citizens. Like, your job is to be
against the fucking egress of the Israeli government and against
the terrorist acts of Hamas. That's your fucking job, not

(20:06):
to pick one side or the other. Right in that.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Job, Yeah, your job is to call it fucking balls
and shrucks for normal people there, right, Like, if we're
going to get into foreign entanglements, then you're not supposed
to stand on the side of like, hey, it's those
guys versus innocent people, or it's those innocent people versus
the other innocent people. That's fucking stupid and it helps
no one. So yeah, I thought that was a really

(20:32):
shithead statement. And look, part of the reason we're here
is not the full reason. Obviously there's a lot more,
But part of the reason we're here is because of
the fucking war that's going on in the God's strip
right that really threw a fucking massive wrench into this
election the last time. It just did like it's still
throwing wrenches into it. And to come out and make

(20:52):
that statement, I'm like, because I know there is sentiment
inside a lot of the Jewish community, because I know
a lot of folks in the Jewish community who are
you yo, politically uh left, But I feel like some
some people on the left are you know, not standing

(21:16):
with them, but I'm like, they're not standing with the
Israeli government. And I think a lot of it gets
it gets mucked up in rhetoric online versus like ah,
they're all bad. It's like, okay, one again, that's a
fucking government that's like saying Americans are all bad because
we have a fucking shiphead president right now, Like, there's

(21:36):
plenty of people who do not agree with that guy, right,
like right exactly, the vast majority. So, yeah, what is it?

Speaker 2 (21:46):
I wouldn't I wouldn't go that far.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
Well, no, what is it? They did it? They did
a survey.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
What is what is a vast majority?

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Well, fair enough enough, But there was some survey. I mean,
take it with a green salt, But it was a
survey of like people who did not generally right, here,
go fuck.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yourself, fuck those assholes. I don't I don't want to
hear jack shit from well I have an opinion. Really,
do you thinks where it was it? Maybe maybe you
should have fucking expressed it in November twenty twenty four
and then we, babe would be in this mess.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
Yeah, but it was like a survey and basically it
came back. It was like Trump's disapproval with non voters
was like eighty five point fifteen. Where that's yeah, like,
so it's a vast majority of Americans. You know, again,
take it with a great of salt.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Oh where were they sitting on the sidelines doing?

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Ah?

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Which, Oh the wind is blowing this way now, I
want to be on the right side of history.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
Yeah, it's it's it's so much easier to criticize on
the sidelines and do deliver nothing. So yeah, I think
the vast majority of people don't agree with the Trump administration.
But to say that Americans feel this way of X
y Z because of what Trump does is equally as

(22:57):
fucking stupid. And I think when people extrap a it
out like that, saying things like conflating all Jews with
Israel is just fucking stupid. It makes sense, Or all
Palaesinians with Amas, it's equally as numb.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
It's just it's just weird. You have to try to
approach these things to the level of nuance. The dreaded,
the dreaded word that we don't like to say on
the show.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
It is in politics. In politics, it truly is the
real edword. It's the true any work. Yeah, and in
political circles you're literally not allowed to say it with
a hearty. So this of course gives the moment to
AOC right like she is taking this, taking the ball

(23:39):
and fucking run with it. And you know what, I
think she's ready. I think she's ready.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah, And she's going on a barnstorming tour right now
with Bernie Sanders in tons of different cities, including getting
thirty thousand people to show up to a rally in Denver. Now,
not that Denver is some fucking conservative stronghold that, but
still like it's not like her and Bernie are running
for anything right now. Bernie, Bernie Sanders has probably run

(24:05):
the last election Bernie Sanders is going to run in
his life, like I can't imagine he's going to know,
So yeah, he's going to fucking show up again at
eighty eight to represent Vermontigan and AOC technically is not
running for anything right now either, certainly not running for
anything in Denver, Colorado. But yet they still got thirty
thousand people to show up. And again, like I We've

(24:27):
talked about this before and I can't express it enough.
The reason that people gravitate towards her and people like
Bernie Sanders is because they are genuine. Because they when
they speak, even if you like, even if you don't
agree with one hundred percent of what they say, you
know that they meet like you know that they believe
what they're saying, that they have convictions that are unwavering

(24:50):
which you know, differs very much from a guy like
Chuck Schumer, who seems willing to you know, oscillate based
on what he thinks the right answer is up. She
russo by the way, uh said, hey like, basically to
cut you know, call off people that are criticizing him.
Hey like, I also win elections. I would point out,

(25:11):
I would point out that that came from the Senate
Minority leader.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Right, that's that's a lot of take I kick ass.
When when was the last time could you bring it up?

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Well, I mean sure you did, you did a couple
of years ago. Yeah, absolutely, And.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
What have you done lately for me? Uh? Charles?

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Unfortunately in politics, you are literally only as good as
your last uh as your last election, so.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Ask Michael Steele Like, so, yeah, it's it's it's a
wild situation with the CR and Chuck Schumer. I think
it's his time to go. I think you just you
just announced like, oh yeah, I mean you don't have
to announce it whenever. Whenever his time is up, just
don't run again.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
I think I think he's up. I'm pretty sure he's
up in twenty six. I think that's why. I'm pretty sure.
Let me double check.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
Okay, shit, dude, just like I think.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
That's why the calls are coming, uh for AOC to
primary him because he is about to be up again essentially.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
If that If that's the case, yeah, dude, you're done,
you're fucking yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Let me let me check and see here. Uh oh
he's not. Then why the fuck are people asking?

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Well, they just won him out.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
I know, but it's gonna take it, but it's gonna
take some time to when is he gonna get there?

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (26:31):
When is Chuck Schumer up?

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Also? Charosten Jilli Branch you can also go by.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
The way, Yeah, absolutely wasn't. Didn't she also vote for
this ship as well?

Speaker 1 (26:40):
He certainly did.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
I guess he must be up in twenty In twenty
twenty eight, then.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yeah, and look that's fine, that's fine. I mean you
can leave now, bro, like you don't how like, don't
do us any favor, just fun.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
He is up in twenty twenty eight, that's cured. I
could I would have really assumed that he was up
next year, considering I didn't think all of the I
think people, yeah, people just want it, like people don't
really know. I don't think people really know, Like how
many years a senator, is it not?

Speaker 1 (27:07):
They're like, it's ever two years. It's not so like
I think they were just like, just just get out,
just get out right.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Now, people, Chuck Schumer is seventy four. It means he'll
be seventy eight when he runs again. We don't need
him to run again.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
I wouldn't have cared what you could have told me
he was twenty four. I wouldn't given a show that's fair. Yeah,
get the fuck out.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
So here, So here's here's here is the question. Then
here is the question. Does Chuck Schumer survive as Senate
minority leaders Not not as a senator, but it just
as minority leader to the next midterm? Like, is he
still a senatementory leader in twenty twenty six?

Speaker 1 (27:47):
No, I don't think so. Well, let me let me
let me say this, but let me rephrase my or
let me give some caveats to my answer. He is
if the campaign is the mid term is fully focused
on like getting Democrats in and is just like a
fucking fever pitch. And like sometimes in those fever pitches,

(28:10):
people aren't paying attention to the margins, right, just get
the fucking house or something. Please, for the love of God.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
I mean he's I mean, unfortunately, unfortunately, he is doing
literally everything he can to make himself the main character
on social media every single day.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Right, dude, just fucking sign off.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Just stop posting, stop posting through it.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
Yeah, like you can't. You cannot win people back over
on this. So it depends on what the focus is.
If the focus gets like crazy of like will we
have Midtern, will we not have Midtern? Like, then people's
hard focus is on like the fucking nuts of it
of what that potential fight is with Republicans. If it
is a quote unquote semi normal race, I don't think

(28:52):
that it will be Incidentally, then I think people are
gonna be like, yeah, knives out, motherfucker, Like you're done here, right,
But that's it. That's the sort of intra party thing.
So it's it all depends. It depends on If Democrats
have a good good night and it's like, oh shit,
like we got the house back or what have you,
and we're feeling pretty good, maybe people are just like,

(29:14):
h like, I lessen move forward. But if they win
and people were like, all right, that was great, then
let's do some fucking let's move some shit around and
they and some people like who've won races or secured
themselves a little bit better and you feel a little
bit more confident. Yeah, knives out for him and and
they'll get him out of that fucking position. Look, I

(29:35):
think they showed anyway, I.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Mean, he could. I mean again, like, it's seventy people,
it's time. Yeah. The people that decide who the who
the leader is of your party in the Senate is
the fucking senators themselves. And I think I read somewhere
that if if ten of them basically were to be like, hey,
we need to we need to vote again on this,
because I don't have a I'm not not feeling it.

(29:58):
Not feeling Chuck Shumer. I don't. I feel like he's
the dude right now that they can vote on it.
Whether that comes the past or not, we'll see. It
does take ten people that are willing to kind of
put themselves out there a little bit and be like, hey.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Yeah, who's the replacement then? In your opinion, Chris Murphy, Yeah, okay,
I like that. I like that he's been a real
fighter right now. So yeah, okay, yeah, that's what I'm
okay with that. So yeah, get Chris Murphy in for
Majority or Minority Leader, and then AOC fucking ghost wort

(30:37):
in twenty twenty eight. Look, here's the thing with AOC,
before we take a break and move on. I really
liked the AOC when she came in. She's on twenty nine,
fucking young, firebrand progressive, you know, just she was who
she was, and over the years she did a lot
of things that I actually did not agree with because

(30:58):
I didn't think that she kind of understood how to
play the game in DC, because there is still a game, right,
you know, it's about being truthful to who you are
and everything else, but there is also sort of the
mechanations of what it is to be in Congress. Right.
You can't burn every fucking bridge because you do need
these people, even if they're insufferable pieces of shit, you

(31:19):
still need them as a coalition to move forward together.
There are no true individuals in the Senate, in the House.
What I have watched over the last number of years
is her not moving on her convictions. Actually her convictions
becoming sharper and more narrowed, which is great. But she

(31:41):
has learned to play the game, and that is where
she needed to be and where she was not I know,
they're gonna be people like that's not true. She always
knew and she fought Nancy Pelosi. But those fights, those fights,
some of them in the public were fucking dumb. They
were just dumb at a time where you did not
need to fight in public. You fight, but just not
in public like that was. And look, Pelosi was responsible

(32:03):
for a lot of that ship. Don't get me wrong,
She's probably responsible for the majority of it. But there
was ship where you're openly fighting with other Democrats, like,
y'all gotta fucking get behind the scenes on this ship. Again,
you don't always have to agree, but you gotta. You
gotta learn how to play the game.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Yeah, trust trust me. There's a bigger boogeyman that you
can stand united against, especially now more than anything.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
So and but what she wh Yeah, it just.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Comes down also like like she she had a she
had a flurry of public interest and like wonder when
she first came in because of how young she was
and because she knocked off a dude that was literally like, hey,
like this dude's the next guy up to the speaker
after after Nancy Pelosi in a primary, So like she
came with a lot of interest, a lot more celebrity

(32:50):
than your average freshman, you know, freshman congress person. So yeah,
like she was under like like it's kind of it's
kind of like a like a blue chip rookie coming
into the pros in their first season, they have a
lot of scrutiny put on them, and so like if
they stumble a little bit or if they you know,
don't quite live up the expectations like that, there's a
lot more screwtiny than your average rookie who can usually

(33:10):
come in and you know, just kind of slide and
be a little bit more on notice.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
So right, and but what I've watched is I've watched
her grow politically to be quite fucking savvy. And yeah,
now what she's how many years has she been in
because she's got to be what thirty?

Speaker 2 (33:25):
She is in her seventh year right now, this is
her fourth term, if you can believe it, Jesus.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Christ, that's fucking insane, right, Okay, so she's been she's
been there for seven years, right, So she's like thirty
six more or less. Yeah, Yeah, she's ready, and like
she's ready to take that Senate seat and then put
fucking boots to asses. So look, I love it. I
think her progression has been has been dope to watch.
So yeah, it's fine by me. And again, her knocking

(33:53):
off a person who is going to be speaker, that's
a hell of a way to start knocking off the
Senate minority leader, this fucking ledgenary democrat. I mean, yo,
love him or leave him. Chuck Schumer is a big
fucking name. Historically he is for her to basically run
that well, he ran himself out on a rail. But
for her to be the person to take that fucking
spot where everyone is like it should be her, that's great.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
And look and look in twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, Chuck
Schumer was incredibly effective fighting against Donald Trump. But it's a.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Different time and and he was that's right.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
But we but like we've said, we've said it before
against other politicians, you lose your fucking you lose some
speed on that fastball as you get older, and the tactics,
the strategy shifts over time. You can only deal with
the problems that you have in front of you. Chuck
Schumer was fine in a relatively normal functioning government with

(34:49):
a fucking crazy person at the head like he like
he understood the strategy is to just let let that
dude punch himself out, basically, because that's what Trump did
during his first term in a lot of these situation.
But now, when the entire executive branch is full of
nothing but crazy, you need someone that can fucking wheel
a flame thrower a little bit.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Yeah, yeah, that that And you know, that's actually a
really good analogy because before him and Pelosi were so
good at basically outmaneuvering Trump because they were they were
fucking internal tacticians. They knew like, all right, motherfucker, we're
playing chess and Trump is like, does the horse he
go this way?

Speaker 2 (35:28):
They're like, right, and they and they also knew that
Trump was surrounded by people, right. They also knew the
Trump was surrounded by people in other areas of the
executive branch that we're not gonna let him do like
the wildest ship that he wanted.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
Right, the rails were still there, and inside inside a
game with with rails, you can beat him, right, Like
it's it's easier to beat him, Like all right, motherfucker,
you only got X y Z moves. We know how
to counter those, right, like quite literally like chess, but
now Trump is just a guy playing chess, but he's

(36:00):
drunk and just knocking pieces off the board. And like
you said, you need someone to be like I mean,
you said a flamethrow, which is fine by me, is
an analogy, but you just need like like the idea
of I always think of that scene from like Modern
Family where he just pulls out the spray bottle and
just sprays the kid in the face, like calm down,
Like that's what you need. You need somebody who's not

(36:20):
willing to play the game anymore, not that game, and
they need to change strategies. And Schumer and you know,
I mean, obviously Pelosi's not in that position anymore, but
like Schumer is still trying to let's keep all the
pieces on the board and we'll just get dude, the
board is gone, Like what the fuck are you doing?

Speaker 2 (36:38):
He flipped it over already, like.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
And so that's they are just him and other Democrats
like him, like the other nine are incapable of seeing
the situation as it is right now. They want it
to be something else. But it's not that, like it's
just simply that is not the way the situation is up.
So let's take a quick break. That was a big

(37:03):
story for us, and then.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
We're going, like I wanna say, like we wanted to
dunk on Chuck Schumer. I would argue that the next
story possibly a bigger story.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
Okay, but I would I'll just say this before we
go to break. But his text messages like that should
be that should be the hashtag?

Speaker 2 (37:21):
All right?

Speaker 1 (37:21):
But chat? Okay? So is it wrong to put a
journalist not a secret unsecured chat program and then just
talking about top secret ship. The answer might surprise you.

(37:43):
So Peter Nexth and other members of the Trump administration,
including JD Vance, I don't know if you guys have
heard of him. Uh, he's kind of a big deal.
They decided that they were going to start a group
chat on an app called Signal. We actually use Signal ourselves,
and it is a secured app, like you can disappear

(38:07):
messages and ship.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
It has it like it has encrypted messaging, and like
it's it's relatively secure for the lay person, like like
like if you're just a reship, right, like for just
texting people and you don't want Mark Zuckerberg to see it,
and you don't want to feed Facebook's algorithm. Signal is
a great way to do it right.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
However, when you're in the US military, maybe just maybe
you'd use a skiff or some other secured mechanism of communication.
But not these guys, not this fucking brain trust. They
decided that they were going to make a group chat
on signal, and they mistakenly added the editor in chief
of The Atlantic into the group chat.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
And by the way, and this wasn't just like.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
In quotes mistake, because we don't know whether or not
that was by mistake by someone or someone did that
on purpose. You don't know that. I'm not saying I'm
not sure, just literally.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Mike Waltz, Mike Walts, who is the president's like chief
national security advisor in the White House, was the guy
that added him because he had had like he has
a like like guess. Jeffery Goldberg talks about it in
the piece that he were on The Atlantic about this,
like he has a chat with Michael Waltz, because it's

(39:30):
not unusual for reporters, especially well connected ones, to have
chats with Mike. Mike Waltz used to be a congress person.
And Jeffrey Goilberg has.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
He chose his name by mistake, right, Okay, So yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
That's that. That's what happened. Here wasn't anything nefarious. It
was just a major fuck up. But here's the problem.
This wasn't a group chat talking about you know, oh,
who do you who do you think is gonna win?
You know, March Madness this weekend? Who do you think
is gonna go number one in the NFL draft? No,
they were talking about a bombing operation that they were

(40:06):
about to carry out on the Who's in Yemen last week?

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Yeah, and they did. Here's the thing I was told,
and Brad was also told, and millions of other people
in America were also told that having outside communications secured
top secret communications outside of a skiff was unacceptable. That

(40:36):
this was a thing that should have required quote to
quote Pete heg Saith on Fox News, this should have
required jail time. These people should have been arrested when
this happened with Hillary Clinton, Well, Pete and he said,
by the way, he said, specifically, especially if it was

(40:58):
someone in the United States military branch, really are aren't
you in the tree of the United States Military? I
believe you are. He said that they should go to
jail yet he does not seem to agree.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
Now weird, it's it's weird that he's not consistent in
his principles that he that he established so firmly.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
So my very first question to all of this, and
I ask it completely rhetorically, why wouldn't you use a skiff?
Why would you use an outside device to have these
communications because this is tops of your chip. Well, the answer, Jay,
thanks for asking, is because they want all of this

(41:49):
ship off book, because they don't want to be able
to have anyone pull this ship and say you said
X y Z. We want to foil a review of this.
Although they destroyed Feuda by the way, in case you
were unaware of that. But in the future, we don't
want anyone to be able to go back and look
at what we did or said, because we're gonna put

(42:12):
this on this messaging app and no one will be
the wise one. That is the reason to use that.
There is no other reason. You're not gonna tell me, oh,
signal is more effective on the fucking iPhone than a
skiff or whatever. No, it's so that you can hide
the shit that you say and no one has any idea.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Yes, it's interesting that, as I was watching the reaction
to this unfold throughout the day on Blue Sky. Marcy Wheeler,
who is like a national security reporter, has been for
a long time, who I follow on there. The first
question that she asked was like, Hey, there's a bunch
of questions that I would want answered if I were,

(42:53):
you know, if I were the Democrats about this. The
first question she asked is, Hey, how is this group
chat gonna be preserved for the Presidential Records Act, which
is legally required to preserve any executive branch communications for
posterity and to Day's point, to make sure that you
are doing some fucking shady shit outside of outside of

(43:18):
the normal channels of communication, which is which is number one,
Like like there's there's so much to unpack here, like
like it's it's insane how much stuff there is to
unpack here. It's also pretty funny that in their conversations
with each other, so like I always wonder how much
of this bullshit when they talk shit on the other

(43:40):
like other administration's Democrats, how much of it is just
the game? How much of it is kfabe and how
much of this shit is like firmly held beliefs It's
interesting that hag Seth talking about their decision on the
timing of this attack, because they were debating, like, oh,
should we wait thirty days because so apparently like one
of the big reason for waiting was because the the

(44:03):
where they were going to be bombing could potentially impact
the Suez Canal a little bit. And basically they're like, hey,
should we held off because of economic concerns right now?
Or should we go ahead? And basically they decided like
it was negligible because of how much imports you at,
the US passes through there compared to Europe, who they
don't care about fucking over in this case. Yes, And

(44:24):
one of the and and one of the things that
haigss Uh talks about is like, oh, Biden failed to
uh to discover the hoo thies while he was in office.
Biden cratered deterrence against the who Thi's so like Pete
Haig's at at the very least, and many of the
people that are around it, they're at least like true blue,
true blue believe.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Oh yeah, no that that that is that is an
interesting thing. It's like, oh shit, these guys really are
fucking idiots, Like.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
These guys are really like and they absolutely believe this
fucking shit. So jd Vance.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
On the other hand, jd Vance mentioned in some of
the communications like, well, I actually don't agree with this
that the potus is saying, but I won't bring it up.
I'm not gonna say anything about it like that. Dude
forever is a very duplicitous person, right, Like, you're allowed

(45:15):
to disagree with.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
The president, and I understand, of course, we fucking.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
Know we but but all the other guys were like, yeah, no, absolutely,
we're gonna do what the president said. And and my
only regret, or my only thing with Jeffrey Goldberg is, dude,
you should have just stayed longer in there. I would
have held the story. I would have held the story.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
I think. I think. I think by the time, like
because by the time he left the chat, the operation
had been carried out. I don't know that there was
that there was much more.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
To just stay in the chat. Just stay in the chat.
Who cares? Yeah, Like, you don't think maybe they would
go back and use it, you say they'd create new
chats all the time, No way. I know it was
called like the little Hooti group or whatever. But like, nah, man,
they're coming back to that, like I would.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
I think I think that my my favorite and my favorite.
I'm saying this with like withering irony. Is once the
attack had been carried out and they started to get
some of the results back from the military and how
it went. Michael Watsu again is the is Trump's chief
intelligence advisor, responded with a fit pound fist emoji, American

(46:27):
flag emoji, flame emoji that that was his intulption to
fifty three people in Yemen being killed by a US
children bobbing strike. That's cool.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
Yeah, yeah, America, we fucking did it. Like again, having
imposter syndrome is stupid, Okay, everybody, It's dumb. There's no point.
Even these boneheads are like yeah, ha fa fucking eggplane emoji, right,
Like that's what they do. They're giant fucking kids too.

(46:57):
I do like I appreciated Fox News is Brett Hume
on hexcess response to the war plan text uh quote, oh,
for God's sake.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Jesus, Well, he's he's self aware enough to realize he
fucked up.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Yeah forgotsic. But it's I mean, that's the most bread
hume fucking response I've ever heard. Yeah, Peterexas said, nobody
was texting war plans. We literally have.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
We have like we literally have screenshots of the text
messages like.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
Somebody somebody who is making it up or whatever. Like bro,
I guess, okay.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Here's here's my favorite quote about all this. By the way,
So like Jeff Goldberg was in this text chat, right,
Jeff Goldberg is not. It's not a stupid person, right.
He understands that like people spoof the ship all the time,
try to get like journalists in there and hope they'll
like trick them with something to have them run like
a fake story, and then it roots of their credibility.

(48:06):
Like this shit happens all the time, and like journalists
go in good journalists at least go into this stuff
being with a very healthy dose of skepticism. I'm going
to read a quote from the Atlantic piece, which by
the way, you can read for free. Like Jeff Goldber
put out the Gift article, I highly recommend reading the
whole thing. Yes, here's my favorite quote from this. After
receiving the Waltz text related to the hoo they PC

(48:27):
small group, I consulted a number of colleagues. We discussed
the possibility that these texts were part of a disinformation
campaign initiated by either a foreign intelligence service or, more likely,
a media gadfly organization, the sort of group that attempts
to place journalists and embarrassing positions and sometimes succeeds. I
had very strong doubts that this group, that this text group,
was real, because I could not believe that the national

(48:50):
security leadership of the United States would communicate on signal
about imminent war plans. I also cannot believe that the
National Security advisor to the President would be so reckless
as to include the editor in chief of The Atlantic
in such discussions with senior US officials up to and
including the Vice President. I mean, that just says it. All.

(49:11):
That just fucking said.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
I thought it was too fucking stupid for these guys
to do it. Surely that wasn't true. Oh shit, it's true. Wow.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
And and here's here's the best part about the reaction
to this, Like, so people were wondering, like obviously even
in the immediate aftermath of the shock of just like,
oh my god, like I can't believe this fucking happened.
These guys, like these guys are the most incompetent, fucking
losers on the face of the planet. Never forget that,
by the way, that no matter how nefarious these dudes are,

(49:42):
these guys plans are, they're not very smart and that
will ultimately probably doom them in the end. But I
like everyone's curious, Like, well, as the dust settles, I'm
very curious to see how the right wing is gonna
it's gonna re thought to this happening. And people, i
think assumed that they would kind of keep their powder

(50:04):
dry and and not maybe wait a day to kind
of get get it, get a narrative aligned before we
went out there, but they did not. People especially on
Fox News, were running as fast as they could to
purport a counter narrative, which is well. If anything, this

(50:27):
just shows how competent the leadership is within the government
as you see them carry out this operation in a
very professional manner. Again fist emoji, American flag emoji, flame emoji, like,
very very professional, very very competent.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
Right, okay, Like I'm not arguing like and Pete Hexsa's
response was really fucking bullshit, which was to immediately attack
Jeffrey Goldberg and be like, oh, this guy is and
Trump did the same things, and they're like, oh, this
guy Trump. Trump does the classic thing of I don't
know anything about this. I haven't heard anything about this. Like, really,

(51:03):
you're the president of the United States. This is the
biggest fucking news today that there was a massive leak
from your top guys. You even heard about it? Really, Hey,
how about you pull the putter out of your ass
for nine seconds and pay attention to the fucking news.
One you watch the news all day Europe.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
All you do is watch Fox.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Right, right, like like the idea that you haven't heard,
I was in I was on the toilet, having executive
to it. So that's nonsense, right. They go to Pete
Taxath and he's like he immediately tacks jeff Jeffrey Goldberg,
of course, but then he says, you know, our troops
did an amazing job. Oh oh, is it about the
troops now? No one's talking about whether troops were competent

(51:44):
and did their job. That's not the argument. The argument
is that you, of.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
All, by the way, do you really have to do
you really have to pack the troops on the back
for fucking flying a fucking drone over over an area? Boxy? Okay, cool.
Yeah to the two fucking people who remote controlled drone,
sure get their target well right by you?

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Yeah, bro, they didn't take a beach by hand, like
relaxed and not. The flying a drone isn't as easy.
It's just it's a very non human interface. Okay, like
the buzz boom, All right, well, all right, head on back.
So so all of that being said, he comes out
and he's like he a tech Stuffree Goldberg, and then

(52:25):
he immediately says, oh, you know, he basically is like,
our troops are great. You shouldn't attack the troops. It's like,
no one's attacking dude. No one even said troops, like
except for you guys during this text message. But is
a classic play, which is attack, attack, attack, and then
defend by putting said group that they actually ultimately don't

(52:47):
really give a fuck about using them as a fucking
human shield. Right. But it's like.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
Well they're trying, they're trying to play it off like
it's not a big deal because they know it's a
big deal, right like like in any in any competent
like in any I don't want to say competent, because
they're obviously incompetent, but in any like serious like like
like if like if the people involved in this were
like serious people at the very least, Mike Waltz would

(53:15):
be like, yeah, I gotta resign, Like like I added this.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
Point, none of these guys are going to super chat and.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Pete Hegksa should probably resign, yeah, like like based on
this ship and you could make arguments for other people
up and down that chat as well who might need
to fucking every.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Single person that was on that chat should resign, every
one of them. You knew that you were using something
that's not a skiff, You understand what you should be doing,
and you did the opposite of that period. That's it.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Like and and by the way, this is literally while
this was happening, the Department of Defense, if anyone missed it,
was sticking their fucking chest out this weekend being like, oh,
we are fucking going after opsec, Like we are going
after people who are just like accidentally leaking shit out,

(54:06):
not being careful with confidential information, Like we are going
to fucking hammer them to the wall. As the as
the Secretary of Defense is literally violating good op SEC routines.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
The vice president is the vice president is like Okay,
you're lucky you made a mistake in put a journalist on.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
There, A serious journalist, a serious journalist.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
What if you put one of these oa and fucking
dickheads on there or something like that, all right, Like
what if you did? It's possible. Yeah, you're lucky you
had somebody with some level of fucking integrity. But you know,
of course Trump is like The Atlantic, you know, not
a very good magazinea here, it's failing. They don't really

(54:53):
do good news. All right, Cool, So you didn't you
didn't hear anything about the story. All right, so we
just add hominem attacks, all right? Cool, got it? Yeah,
I'm glad you're here. This is really worth it. All right,
let's take a let's take a quick break, and then
we're gonna come right back. All right. Next up, smart

(55:14):
Democrats are stepping up in districts where the GOP representatives
have bailed on them by not doing any town halls.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
We kind of talked about this earlier.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
We'll talk about it. Do you think that you think
this moves in need a little? I don't.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
Voters are stupid sore? Probably not?

Speaker 1 (55:32):
Yeah, Like I don't, I don't. Look, do I think
it's a good thing to do. Yes, Do I think
it moves the deed? No?

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Yeah, again, I think I think it could move the
deal if you are a Democrat who is thinking about
primary that person in the upcoming election, Like like if
you if you're someone who's thinking about running and you're
just like, hey, I'm gonna run for the seat in
I'll do town hall. I want to hear what you
guys have to say like that that I think would
be effective. Yeah, but that's nobody. But that's a nobody

(56:04):
trying to do that. Sure, also true.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
Yeah, I mean if you would have to, if you
could team up with an established Democrat, then I would
say that could be that could be super effective, because
that would be like me saying like, all right, I'll
have a town Who the fuck is this guy? Fuck
this guy? Like who cares? But at the same time, look,
I like the sentiment of it, right, I like the

(56:29):
idea of like, hey, these motherfuckers aren't coming up and
standing standing up to listen to you. We will. It
feels like I really do understand it, but it feels
like those people want to come to fucking scream on
and dunk on. Republicans they're not really they do, and

(56:50):
they do, but they're not really there to have a
raw raw fest with the other side, you know what
I mean, because these are disaffected Republicans there, I mean,
and I guess Democrats too, So you're not really reaching
Democrats because other Democrats are like, yeah, I fucking hate
this guy who's my representative already, and this affect the Republicans.

(57:11):
I mean, I hate to say it, but your fucking
track record for voting properly is pretty poor. So I'm
not again, I'm I guess.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
I guess your hope is I guess your hope is
if you're if you're doing this right, to just keep
the to keep fanning the flames, to make sure that
it stays into into next year, so that like you
can remind Republicans like, hey, remember when you were pissed
off back in April, like back in early twenty you're
still pissed off now, right, like you can make a

(57:38):
different choice.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Yeah, yeah, I am extremely skeptical that why conservatives will
ever fucking learn a lesson. I just hate to say that,
Like I I just I I don't know, because I
don't know how bad it needs to get for especially
white conservatives, to go, hey, where my nose was hurts

(58:04):
because I keep trying to cut it off to spite
my face, And I don't.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
I don't really care if they vote for Democrats. I'm
perfectly happy with them just staying home, like like, like,
as long as Democrats turn out and and and no
affiliated voters vote blue. And if Republicans like they're like,
I'm not fucking voting for this guy who fucked me over,
but I'm also not voting for a fucking Democrat. Goold,
stay home. I don't care, like, just just don't fucking vote.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
No, No, that's fair. That's fair for this dude. So
I mean, it's just but like a like, I hear you,
and I actually don't disagree in the short term, but
in the long term, it's not it's not enough. I
don't think it's secure. Is enough to just have other
disaffected people who just don't want to vote. I think

(58:46):
you need to pull people to you. And look, when
you're running a campaign, that is super fucking hard to do.
The better thing is to drive turn out of people
who already agree with you. And we'll talk about this later.
Because I added the story about Lutnik, which I think
is incredibly emblematic of where we're going. I think I

(59:11):
think there is there's a difficulty in trying to get
people who are disaffected with the other party to kind
of pull to your side. I think it's really really hard.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
I really it depends on who you are and who
you run like like we you you and I and
Andy talked earlier today. So a surprising announcement that came
out this morning and unfortunately got buried by the Bye
by the net SEC story dropping kat Abazeila. For those
that don't know, she is a like like a like

(59:42):
a TikToker, basically like like a left wing TikTok person
who used to work for Media Matters. She's done some
work with Steo as well as Mandy Hawsson's outlet, and
she's she's been a very what she's very good at it.
She's very good at taking very complex issues and talking
about them in a way that normal people can understand.
That's why she ain't to follow on TikTok. She's running

(01:00:04):
for Congress, yeah, in this next election cycle, and she's
running a very ambitious campaign in that she is basically
like her kind of stated position it's like, hey, I'm
not waiting to be in office to start helping people.
Like we're gonna use some campaign contributions to donate to
like towards these like programs and stuff like that. Like

(01:00:26):
that's one of the things that she is doing. And
she's not and she's gonna run. She's like, hey, like,
I'm not gonna spam you with text messages with my
handout for money and like like we're not going to
do the shit that people have been yelling about. And
what's interesting about it is that she's running in Illinois
ninth district, who is currently which is currently occupied by

(01:00:46):
a progressive Democrat who's been like a legit fucking progressive
in Congress for many, many years. The downside is that
she's fucking eighty like and probably needs to fucking yeah,
you fucking go ye and and and if and if
and if Abazela can knock her off in the primary,

(01:01:07):
like she'll probably win that seat. Like it's a very
safe Democratic district, yeah, something something along those lines in
the middle of fucking like Chicago basically, so like it's
if she can win that primary, it's gonna be interesting.
But it's just also interesting to see someone who is
like a gen z being like, like, I fucking talk

(01:01:28):
the talk. Now I'm gonna walk the walk. Like it's
one thing to sit here on the sidelines and and
and fucking lob bombs and ship, but I'm gonna show
you that, like I'm about action too, And it's fascinating
and it's it's gonna be really curious to see not
only how she does, but also if this kind of
stokes the fire for more young people to be like,
you know what, it's time for us to get these

(01:01:49):
fucking olds out ourselves. It's time to get these people
out of the way. And again, as we've seen, the
reason why AOC is successful, the reason why Bernie Sanders
has been successful, the reason why Donald Trump has been successful,
is because if you can make people believe that you
are genuinely fighting for them, it doesn't really matter what

(01:02:12):
your policies are. Like, AOC has captured people who I
don't want to go as far as say, they're appalled
by a lot of her more progressive policies and leanings,
but they certainly don't like fulfurdly support them, right, But
people vote for her anyway because they're like, yeah, like
I feel like she's a fighter, Like I feel like
she fights for me. For foxakely how many people voted

(01:02:33):
for her and Donald Trump in the which.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Is the weirdest fucking right sense.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
But but but voting. But as much as much as
it pains you and I and probably a lot of
the listeners who listen to this podcast, it pains me
the most because we all know that, like, I cannot
divorce myself of logic, like I'm fueled by logic. I
do not run on emotion. It blows my mind that
people exist like this. But voters are largely illogical, like

(01:03:00):
they they are, they are largely emotional.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Your average voter, I mean the the famous throw all
the bums out and then the reelection of local politicians
is like it's like, course, okay, why do you guys
keep saying that? Then are you gonna do it? Just
fucking do it? Then? Like, nah, well not my guy,
I mean I like my guy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
Yeah, I mean I mean I met those.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
Other guys, yeah, the ones I don't know their names.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
And you don't impact me anyways before.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
Yeah, no, like, but I feel really really strongly about it. Yeah,
so look, I again, I don't know that it moves
the needle of having these town halls. But I like
that you're doing it every look, maybe it makes me
Maybe it makes a difference on the margins, and sometimes
that's all you need.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
The margin. I mean, the margins were what costs us
this last election as well.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
I mean, it's so like again, I can't get mad
at you about it. But do I think like all
of a sudden, people are gonna be like, oh, here
we go, Like, no, I don't. Again, I don't trust
Republican voters to learn any lessons because if they did,
we wouldn't be here.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
So I mean, and that's I mean, and honestly that's
the only And again, like anyone affected by this, if
you're affected by this, I my I feel for you.
I do, but I need, I need the beatings to
continue until morale improves or hopefully doesn't aprove, because I
hope people are still write and pissed off in eighteen
months time.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
Well, I can tell you if you like Brad's take
on that, you're gonna love my take on not this story,
but the next story like that whole fucking lot. It's
gonna sound really sad and fucked up. But not this one.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Trump says Biden's pardons are void because they were signed
by auto pen, which is obviously a thing that's true.
So Trump's truth social post echoes a conspiratorial claim about
robotic signature instruments. In a post on true Social Overnight,
President Donald Trump claims that some pardons by Joe Biden

(01:05:04):
are void, vacant, and of no further force or effect,
saying an auto pin was used to forge the former
president's signature. So we're meant to believe every single thing
that Donald Trump has ever signed off.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
On yeah side, in person, by him.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
By hand, all the pardons for the jan six people,
all of them, all of them, all of them. Okay,
every executive order, all of them. Okay, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
I just feel like, by the way, what uh the
founding fathers forwardly put a note in the Constitution about
it being about presidents being allowed to sign no digital
sign orders by by no by with a sharpie Like like,
is that is that also in uh in the constitution
as well? When is that of curiosity.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
In thine future? When the pen has no longer required
a feather and a quill to write thine name? Surely
a man will come up with a with a obnoxiously
smelling marker of sorts called a sharpie, and when that
time comes, because he cannot hold a normal sized pen

(01:06:25):
in his giant state puff marshmallow man hands and he
has dexterity issues because of all of his speed abuse,
he will be able to use a sharpie to write
like some sort of large dumb child that you give
the jumbo crayon to because they don't have the dexterity

(01:06:46):
to hold a regular crayon.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
So he also he also alleged that like Biden, didn't
know anything about the pardons to the jan sixth folks,
which kind of immediately undercuts is under by the fact
that Joe Biden literally talked about it in front of cameras, like, Hey,
I'm doing this because I'm afraid that Trump might just
go after them just for political retribution sake.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
Wait wait, yeah, guys, I hate to say this.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Yeah he's yeah, he's like Biden. He's like Biden didn't
even know what was going on with these things.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
Guys. I hate to say this, and I know is
not people don't want to admit it. Joe Biden is old,
and Joe Biden has lost a lot of speed on
his fastball. Joe Biden doesn't have fucking dementia. You were
all wrong about that. He's just fucking old and slower

(01:07:42):
than other people are when they're eight hundred years old.
I get it, But this idea Joe Biden doesn't know
what's going on. Donald Trump this week said that maybe
the United States would rejoin the British Empire. Guys, that
was a thing that he talked about.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
British British common Well, there's a slight distinction, slight distinct.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
As far as I'm concerned, it's just still be the
British impart. It sounds cool, but he talked about that
is it is kind of fucking weird that it's like, hey, like, uh,
you know the you know, the fundamental thing, the fundamental
thing that the country was founded on.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
Let by gods, be by gods.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
I guess right, then maybe we will rejoin the British
Commonwealth all under the In the same day talking repeatedly
about how Canada is going to be the fifty first
state of the United States, Joe Biden has dementia. Are
you sure the call is coming from inside your empty head?

(01:08:46):
What the fuck are you talking.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Now, I will, I will, I will say. And because
we haven't heard anything about this, and it's been a
week since he said it, Uh, we we all needed
to keep in mind that just because Donald Trump but
like declare something on social media to be true, it
very much has the effect often of like Michael Scott
declaring bankruptcy yes in the office, Like just because he

(01:09:08):
says it, doesn't mean that anything's gonna happen. Since we
haven't heard anything about this since he said it, I
don't think anything's gonna happen. Pretty sure, the pretty sure
even this Supreme Court is gonna be like yeah, no,
like we're not bounwing out fucking legally legally done pardons.
And and is Donald Trump sure he wants to test, uh,

(01:09:29):
the efficacy of being able to delegitimize your predecessor's pardons
that he gives out after you're gone from office. Is
he sure that he wants to do that? I don't
think he really does.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
Right. But and to your point, like one, like okay,
like if we're doing that all right, if that door
is open, buddy, okay, great, we.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
Got we got a bunch of jan sixers to round
up that anybody go back.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
Everybody's going But so there's that aspect of it. But yeah,
to your point, you can't just be like, well, these
things are avoid vacant and of no further force or effect.
But Jay said it in all caps like says, who bro,
like you wouldn't want army?

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
Are the president.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
Turno's machines back on? Right? Like that's a deep There's
only a few people who get thee oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
But the vice president is not, Well, fuck them.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
This is our this is our payback. This so like,
what are you talking about? Some of these things are
are no longer valid? Who what? Which partons are you
talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
Fauci like, well, he was talking about the partons given
to the January sixth committee members that that Biden. That's
those are the partons that he wanted to that he said,
we're legitimates.

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
Yeah, And Kensinger was like basically on social media was
like suck my dick, Like it was like, what are
you going? Like k was like, didn't come arrest me, dude?

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
I really really.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
Yeah, that's what you need to do when you get that,
just like laugh it off and just be like go
fuck yourself, Like what are you gonna do you put
me in jail? Okay, cool, put me in jail, so
then my star will skyrocket, Like it will skyrocket, dude, Like,
go ahead, unless he send you to an El Salvador
in prison, which would probably not be good. More on

(01:11:45):
that later, which is fucking insane. So yeah, it's uh yeah,
oh it's not valid, okay, Like all right, I don't
I don't know what that means. And who cares? Like
just who gives a shit? Again? Just because the guy
says something doesn't mean you have to fucking listen to it.

(01:12:08):
You know you don't. You don't have to at all.
Before I get into this next story, I want to
just take just a quick diversion. This is not on
the docket, but I learned about this the other day.
My wife and I were sitting in bed. We're both
reading the news, and I had to stop reading the
news and stop listening to her talk about the news
because all of it was making me really fucking mad

(01:12:29):
and I don't like to be mad. Before I got
to bed, and she was talking about the shit that's
going on with Columbia University in New York, and because
she's she went to Columbia so like it's very it's
very personal for her, and basically Columbia is like, all right,
we're gonna fucking bend the knee because Donald Trump is

(01:12:51):
pressuring us and basically saying they're gonna take like four
hundred million dollars away from school in federal funding, even
though the school has like massive endowments, but just like
all this shit to just make the school's life a
living hell. Now, the current president of Columbia University is
like a temporary president, I believe, as they're trying to
find somebody and this person immediate him in the board

(01:13:13):
immediately fucking meant the the oh, okay, well, we're gonna
change our curriculum. We're gonna put a provost, which is
kind of like a like a vice president or a
director level person over uh Middle Eastern studies to make
sure that that one is like I don't know that
it's not a madrasa. It's like, what the fuck are
we doing? Right? So it's insane, right, that program has

(01:13:36):
been there for fucking years, but why four hundred million dollars?
And this is the part that's so fucking wild. I
don't know if you've heard this story.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
So I haven't, so yeah, go ahead and enlighten me.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
It will It will shock you to know that. The
reason it's like four hundred and seventy million dollars is
the world's pettiest reason. Right. So he says, oh, I'm
gonna take this four hunred million dollars away from you. Okay.
The reason is because when Donald Trump, way before he
got into politics, Donald Trump owned a big part of

(01:14:11):
uh New York, like this this one area in New York.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
Oh holy shit? Did he want to buy No.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
He tried to. You know, he tried to sell it
to Columbia because he he wanted to sell this piece
of land to Columbia because Columbia wanted to expand and
like where Columbia University is, like do you either kind
of expand out by the water or into this other
uh what is it like towards Washington Heights? I think
it is. And so he's like, hey, I have this

(01:14:40):
big plot of land. You can you can buy it
from me and call it Columbia Prime. And they're like, okay,
how much do you want for it? And he's like
four hundred million dollars and they're like okay, well we're
gonna get our guy into survey it. We're gonnat some

(01:15:00):
sort of you know, like to do some appraisal and
we'll get back to you. Oh, their praise were like
one hundred million, and so they're like they're like, no,
that's uh, we're not gonna we're good. Thank you, no,
thank you. And he offered it like they did this
big meeting with him. Apparently Trump was like there was
like a whole article about it. Trump was late to
the meeting. They came and said, hey, actually, our appraisal

(01:15:22):
is like one hundred million, so we're not we're not
gonna do it. What He gets pissed at the meeting.
He's like, oh, you know, fuck you, blah blah blah blah.
Gets pissed at them. Somebody, two students write an article
about the president of Columbia University. I don't know if

(01:15:43):
it was like a negative article or something like that,
Donald Trump, and they mentioned this deal that he had
turned down. Donald Trump read their article. I guess they
wrote it for the paper, the Columbia paper or whatever.
He found out about their article. He can't read it,
but he found out about it. He sent them like

(01:16:04):
gold embossed like a golden boss like response letter that
you know had like I think it was like the
the submitted contract that he had like submitted to them
or you know, to buy the land and everything. And
then in the margins he wrote like whatever the university's
president's name is, like John Smith. John Smith is an idiot,

(01:16:27):
John Smith is stupid. And he sent these like gold
embossed fucking things to these two students found out where
they live to send it to be like thank you
for writing this letter about how this guy's not a
very good president or something like that. And also he's
stupid for not buying this four hundred million dollar property
for me. So he still holds a fucking judge like

(01:16:51):
a number of years ago, he still holds a fuck.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
How many years I need to know how many years
obviously if I can find it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
He literally holds a grudge against Colombia UNI for not
buying this land. And so that's the amount of money.
Is he like a child? Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
Is no? Is he like the fucking dude from Billy
Madison that Steve Bushmi played, like like the fucking dude
they got made fun of, and like who has like
a fucking enemy's list of people? That he's that he's
gonna un alive, that he like crosses Billy bads his
name all Billspia is Billy Madison call him, apologize to him,
and of course he ends up saving Billy Madison at

(01:17:29):
the end of the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
So yeah, dude, it's it's yeah, it's a it's a
wild fucking story. I'm trying to find. Yeah, here you go,
decades ago, decades ago, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
What I wanted to know. Did this happen in like
the nineties.

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
That a century ago Columbia refused to pay Trump four
hundred million dollars and he's been holding that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
Really cool, it's really really it again, Like I I
just have to This is for all all the Americans
who just fucking re elected literally the most thin skinned
person in the history of human civilization to be the
president of the United States. Yeah, bravo, Yeah, bravo, you
fucking morons.

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
Yeah, Like, dude, and the ship that Columbia agreed to
is insane. It's insane if you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
Want well, and they're and and they're not the only ones. Like, like,
there's a notable law firm who did the same recently
and caused a bunch of their lawyers to resign in protest,
as they show the private law firm by the way,
obviously like we saw fucking ABC do this shit with
the stuff an awful situation. CBS, to their credit, is
fighting the Trump administration's uh, you know, deafmation stuff against them,

(01:18:47):
though they also capitulated someone released like the unedited sixty
minutes interview on you know, propublicans requests and shit like that.
So yeah, you're seeing this all time and and again
like this is this is the problem with I mean,
it's one of the many problems with capitalisms or with capitalism,
and where you have lawyers that are basically dictating and

(01:19:08):
CEOs that are just like they're they're not fighting on
principle even though they should because because this is bigger
than them. But it's just like ass cheaper just for
us to sign a check and make the shit go.

Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
It's not like that's it's not it's not because they
literally told students that you should not have anything on
your laptop that is sort of critical or that it's
like pro Palestinian, like you need to make sure that
you don't have anything there end quote. And this is

(01:19:40):
one of the most disgusting things I've ever heard. We
cannot protect you is what they told their students.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
Well Columbia, Well, Columbia is where they is where Kalil
was when they fucking inducted him off of I subducted
him off the camp, right and and.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
Have some fucking bulls like I was when I was
talking to my wife about this the other night, I said, Listen,
people often think about where would I be in these
historical moments, like what would I have done if I
was back during World War two or or during slavery,

(01:20:15):
or like what would what would have been my stance
in this moment right now? There are there are plenty
of there finding out you're finding out, but there are
plenty of It's it's very easy to say, what would
I have done if I was in fucking Germany during
nineteen thirty nine? Right, Like, that's an easy one to do.
That later, that's a very easy one to do.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
Yeah, turn turns out you would have did what all
the Germans did, A whole lot of nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
Yeah, hold on nothing, fucking right, as Bill Burr says,
doing a whole lot of nothing. Sitting there on your
fucking L shaped couch, just tweeting those. So when I
think about that, and people often say that about a
lot of historical events, here's the one. Here's the one
for the universities. People look back, what would I have

(01:21:02):
done if I was around during the questions to divest
during you know, South African apartheid in the United States,
This is what you would have done. You wouldn't have
done anything, and you would have just you would have
just kept investing in an apartheid state because you're a
bunch of fucking cowards. That's what you would have done.

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
Well, And but again here, here, here is the benefit
of a free of a free enterprise. If you were
in high school and you're on track to be able
to be accepted to an Ivy League university, you go
to Columbia, Yeah, don't probably don't know a different college.

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
And see when they say, oh, well, it only costs
four undred million dollars, But see it doesn't only cost
you four undred million dollars because now student enrollment will drop.
And by the way, that's what the right wants. They
want to destroy. They've said it quite openly. They want
to destroy these institutions. So when you bend the knee,
you're not benning the knee for two minutes, you're benning

(01:21:59):
the knee, or to the tune of four undred million dollars,
you're bending the nee to the destruction of a fucking
historic college, a college that was designed to be a
fucking beacon, is one of the best colleges in the country.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
Well, and now now you are now and and you're
also now a scalp that this administration hangs fucking mantle
so that when they go over the next when they
go after the next university, Columbia, but they fucking got Columbia,
I don't want to And they go to the next one,
and they go over to the next one, and then
all of a sudden, every university, you're not allowed to
have any pro Palestinian outward displays in anywhere in the country.

(01:22:37):
Uh good, cool, cool, first amendment we got there. Yeah,
be shamed of something happened to it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
Yeah. So that was just my aside about Columbia University.
I thought you would find that story that fucking a
quarter of a century ago, this petty bitch didn't get
what he wanted, so then he decided that he would
hold them to that when he had power. But again,

(01:23:04):
the alpha male serious guys are their fucking back? Really,
the tough guys back? Is that why he held that
fucking grudge because they wouldn't buy his overpriced fucking property.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
Isn't isn't like one of the whole fucking Bible bullshit
turn turn the other cheek or on some ship like that.
I remember hearing that somewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
Yeah, or the it's easier for a camel to fit
into the eye of a needle than a rich man
to make it into heaven. That's one of the ones
in the book. It's not even that far in the back.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
I think it's like in the center. I mean, I
don't know, the only one they actually count.

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
So yeah, New Testament, well no, no, they love the
Old Testament except that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
Like parts of the Old or other.

Speaker 1 (01:23:48):
Yeah yeah, no gays unlimited trimp Hell yeah, dude like that.
Jesus loves so it's cool. Jesus loves shellfish everyone. Okay,
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