Betty and Dan Broderick - Part 1 of 3 - Love Marry Kill: Just the Facts

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, I'm Tina and I'm Rich. Welcome to Love Mary Kill.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Just the facts.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Are you familiar with Betty Brodrick.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
I know the name, but I am not familiar with
the story.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
There have been a lot of movies about her, and
a lot of books have been written about her, and
I've read three of them. She is a fascinating woman.
I would put her up there with like Diane Downes.
Do you remember Diane downs Yeah, similar to Diane Downes.
Just there's a lot going on upstairs.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
I do want to give a content warning. This episode
contains harsh language and discussion of suicide, so please listen
with care. I believe multiple people have recommended this episode,
but like I said, it's been on our to do
list since the very beginning. I think more people have
recommended this, but on our case suggest the spreadsheet I
have Jess and Janey, so thank you for recommending this case.

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The streets of San Diego were silent and the early
hours of November fifth, nineteen eighty nine, the city still
wrapped up in darkness. A thin marine layer clung to
the air, muting the glow of the street lights. As
Betty Broderick drove her aging green Chevrolet Suburban with her
familiar vanity plate load them up through the winding streets
in the quiet neighborhood of Marston Hills. Betty caught a

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glimpse of her reflection and the rear view mirror as
she turned onto Dan's street. The woman staring back at
her was barely recognizable. Her once smooth face was now
bloated and lined, her hair brassy and brittle. She wasn't
sure what's stung more her deteriorated appearance or the fact
that her family, husband and wealthy La Joya friends had

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abandoned her entirely when the divorce turned ugly. It was
just past six am and most of the city was
still asleep. Betty wasn't. She had been away for hours,
her her mind spiraling over a fresh set of legal
documents that she'd received in the mail. She'd thought everything
was settled after the treacherous six year long legal marathon

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Dan had put her through. She couldn't take another second
of this torture. It needed to end. Long ago, she'd
predicted it was going to be either him or her.
They both couldn't survive, and now she was going to
make sure of it. The house set at the end
of a tree lined street, a stately, two story brick
colonial with green shutters and stark white pillars and the

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kind of manicure lawn that graces the pages of real
estate brochures. Tacky little house, Betty thought to herself. Just
months earlier, Dan and Linda, her replacement, the younger, fresher version,
had stood in that very yard, beaming for the society
pages as if they were royalty. Betty pulled to a
stop nearby, cutting her headlights as she coasted into the curb.

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The neighborhood slumbered peacefully. As Betty climbed out of her suburban.
She peeked inside her purse designer, of course, to verify
that her gone, A thirty eight caliber revolver that she'd
purchased months earlier, was still there. She had swiped the
key to Dan's obscenity of a house from her daughter
Kim's room. Betty slipped the cool metal key into her pocket.

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It was so quiet Betty could hear her heart beating
as she walked up the path, the sound of her
footsteps falling against the concrete. The key slid easily into
the lock. What kind of idiot byes the most ostentatious
house on the block and doesn't have a security system.
Thank goodness, Dan hates dogs, Betty thought to herself as
she stepped inside. Betty knew the layout from previous braakens.

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She moved silently, deliberately through the house as the first
pinks of daybreak began to peek through the windows. Her
hand gripped her purse as she ascended the stairs. When
Betty reached the master bedroom doorway, she watched Dan and
Linda as they lay sleeping in their bed, The digital
clock on their night stand glowing in a muted light,
she could make out the two figures beneath the covers.

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Unaware that their carefully constructed new life was about to end.
She raised the revolver, her hand surprisingly steady, decisive, and
squeezed the trigger, quickly releasing five bullets from the chamber.
What happened in the seconds that followed would leave two
people dad, spark a media firestorm, and transform Betty Broderick
into one of the most notorious and fascinating figures in

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American true crime. Her appearance on OPRAH became the show's
second highest rated episode ever. Two movies of the week
would be made about her. They didn't come close to
capturing her essence, because while plenty of women have been scorn,
there has only ever been one Betty Broderick, and she
was never going to slip quietly into the night. Here

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is her story. Marita Cutler and Frank Piskeglia married just
before he was sent overseas to fight in World War Two.
Both came from Catholic families, Marita from a devout Irish
household in the Bronx and Frank from an Italian family.
He was bilingual, speaking both English and Italian. Marita's father,

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Michael Cutler, served as a detective with the New York
Police Department, while her mother worked as a school teacher.
The couple had two daughters, Marita and Catherine. Education was
important to the Piskeglias. Both Marita and Catherine went on
to graduate from college with degrees in education. After marrying
her husband, Frank, Marita stayed with her parents and sisters

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in the Bronx in their apartment building called Hope Place
while he was away at war. It was during this
time that she gave birth to their first child, Marita Jane.
When Frank finally returned home. The couple moved into an
apartment just across the hall from her parents. Soon after,
their son, Frank Junior, was born, and on November seventh,
nineteen forty seven, they welcomed their third child, Elizabeth Ann,

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better known as Betty.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
I'm unusual for a child to be named after their mother.
You don't hear that very often.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
Yeah, I think that obviously was a family name.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
I wonder how that made Betty feel, though, because both kids,
both the other kids were named after their parents and.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Betty, I think everything made Betty angry.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
With their quickly expanding family, the Biskeglias moved to the
suburbs of New York, settling in Eastchester, where Marita soon
gave birth to their final two children, Claire and Gerard.
Frank worked alongside his brothers and their family business as plasterers. Catherine,
Marita's sister or aunt Kay as they called her, moved

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just a few houses down and had four children of
her own. The cousins were best of friends, spending lots
of time together. Marita, who had depended on public transportation
while living in the city, refused to learn how to drive.
After moving to the suburbs, something that left her feeling
restless and often bored. Betty referred to her as the

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original desperate housewife, moody and frustrated, often taking it out
on her kids. Betty remembered her childhood as mostly happy,
but she said she always had to tread carefully around Marita.
She never knew which version of her mother she was
going to get, but the best day of the week
was Sunday, when the large, noisy family got together for
a big Italian feast. Betty later reflected on her mother

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and credit her with raising her and her sister well
and teaching them social graces and always making sure that
they had the very best of everything, even when money
was tight. Betty was raised in a strict Catholic home.
The children all attended parochial school from kindergarten to high
school and even college. Betty was a good girl and

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wanted to please her parents and the nun, leading a
somewhat sheltered life. When her youngest sibling was born, Betty
was ten, She doated on the baby and impressed everyone
with how good she was with him, though she was
still a child herself. At just twelve years old, Betty
began babysitting. She was soon in high demand around the neighborhood,
eventually becoming the regular sitter for the Think family. Every

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day after school. From three to seven, Betty helped Missus
Fink with her three boisterous young children. She worked for
the family through her college years. Betty loved working for
the Happy family and said that she modeled her own
family after them. At five eleven, blonde and beautiful, Betty
became a part time model in addition to her nannying,
and also took on another job as a hostess at

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a restaurant, all while maintaining good grades in high school,
Betty threw herself into work, determined to avoid being at
home whenever possible due to the strained relationship she had
with her mother. So Betty was a really busy young woman.
She's working three jobs and going to school, and she
was dating too.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah, that's a lot to take on.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Later in Betty's life, when things became bad, she said
this about her parents. I love my dad and my mom.
They're both good people, but they've led such nice, peaceful
lives that they simply can't face anything unpleasant, and so
they don't face it. They go to Paris instead and
sing tra la la la la, and just pretend nothing's happening.

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Betty was a hard worker, and before long she had
saved enough money to buy her first car, a green convertible. MG.
She couldn't have been prouder. So again, Betty's in high
school and she bought a new car by herself.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
That sounds like a nice Chile.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Yeah, it's adorable. I had to google a picture of it,
but it's a really cute car. Betty attended college at
Mount Saint Vincent's on the banks of the Hudson River.
She had acquired an enviable wardrobe and a taste for
the finer things from her modeling days, owning shoes from
Gucci Urmez, scarves and pearls from Tiffany's. She made a
lot of new friends in college and continued to be

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a good girl with perfect grades.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Daniel Thomas Broderick third was born and raised in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania,
in November nineteen forty four, the eldest of nine children,
five boys, four girls in a devout Irish Catholic family.
His mother, Yolanda, was pregnant with him when his father,
Dan Senior, went overseas to fight in the war. When
he returned, Dan joined his family's successful lumber business. He

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was a heavy drinker with a volatile temper, abusive toward
both his wife and children, and the household was often
ruled by fear of him. The Brodericks were well off,
but the children were all taught the importance of frugality,
self sufficiency and education. All nine children attended college. Nothing
was ever handed to them. Being the oldest and his

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father's namesake, the pressure to succeed was greatest on Dan,
and he didn't disappoint his parents. They were very proud
of him. He was a hard worker, a natural leader,
and clear minded. Dan willed himself to be successful. He
and his four brothers were all expected to attend Notre
Dame like their father before them.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Nine kids and they all went to college.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
That is pretty amazing, right, I'm guessing they all made
they work their own way through college, pay their own way.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Probably the only one that I can speak for is Dan,
and he's certainly did.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Used to be a little bit cheaper back then, but
still that's pretty impressive. Betty and Dan met in November
nineteen sixty five, days before her eighteenth birthday. They met
at a party in South Bend, Indiana, after a Notre
Dame USC football game. Years later, attending the annual Notre
Dame USC game became a beloved tradition for them. Once

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after their separation, Dan, feeling nostalgic and more than a
little drunk, called Betty from the stadium. He told her
how much he had once loved her, even as he
attended the game with another woman. It devastated Betty. The
trip to Notre Dame in nineteen sixty five was the
first time Betty's parents had allowed her to go away
for the weekend with friends, and only because her friend's

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brother was a student there and had agreed to chaperone
the freshman girls. While sitting at a table with friends
during a party, Dan approached Betty and asked if she
had a pen. She handed him her silver Tiffany pen
and watched as he scrawled his name on the stark,
white linen tablecloth. Daniel T. Broderick the third MD, with
an A in parentheses after When Betty asked what the

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A was for, he responded coyly almost He explained that
he had applied to both law school and medical school
and had decided on attending Cornell Medical School. The next fall,
Betty returned home to New York, never expecting to hear
from Dan Broderick again. Unbeknownst to her, that first night,
he told friends that he was going to marry Betty.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Did you say that when you met me?

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Uh? No, not right away. He wasn't long he did, well,
it wasn't long after we met. I did tell people
that I thought I could see myself spending the rest
of my life with you, but it was probably a
couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
Wow, that's a little type it, rich, I told everyone.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
I'm sure you did. While Dan slipped from Betty's mind,
he couldn't stop thinking about her, sending her flowers and
a te that he was coming to New York for
the Notre Dame Navy game and wanted to see her again.
Dan checked a few boxes on Betty's list. He didn't
smoke or drink excessively, he was catholic, didn't believe in divorce,

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and he had the ambition she was looking for in
a partner. But Betty preferred the men she dated to
be tall and athletic, and unfortunately for Dan, he was
neither of those. Things. She only dated men she saw
as potential husbands, and in that regard, Dan fell short.
Literally he was an inch shorter than her and wore
tortoise shell glasses. Geek city, Betty described him. When Dan

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arrived in New York for medical school in September nineteen
sixty six, Betty tried to pawn him off to her friends,
but he only had eyes for her. Because he was
new in town. Betty took him around and introduced him
to people and places. Soon she found herself charmed by
Dan Broderick. He was adventurous and fun. He made her laugh,

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but there were red flags early on. Dan was controlling,
insisted on being in charge and having things go exactly
his way. Betty, like most women raised in the nineteen sixties,
was taught to be polite and submissive to men, so
she kept calm and carried on.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
I'm so glad that I was not raised in the sixties.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yeah, we'll be back after a break.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
Jan wanted to date Betty exclusively, get engaged and Mary
soon after, but Betty was adamant she wanted to finish
college before settling down. She continued to date a roster
of men, which is likely what made her more intriguing
to Dan. Betty described Dan to the La Times quote,
he was very ambitious, very intelligent, and very funny, and

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I am those three things. We were from the same
kind of background. We both wanted the same things in
the future, wealth, social standing and a large family. All
I wanted was to be a mommy. He promised me
the moon. The guy asked me to marry him every
day for three years. Betty finished college in just three years,

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earning a double major in nursing and early childhood education
with a minor in English. After completing a semester of
student teaching, Betty landed a job in January nineteen seventy
teaching third grade in east Chester, New York. It was
a perfect fit. She'd grown up in the area, knew
many of the families at the school, and her aunt

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Kay even taught there. Plus, it was one of the
best paying school districts in the area, which was a
nice bonus. She finally recalled this as a very happy
time in her life. Soon after, Dan proposed with a
custom engagement ring. This time Betty said yes. Her mother
planned an elaborate wedding to Betty's dismay, deciding every detail

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without consulting her daughter. When Dan refused to wear the
morning coat that Marita had chosen for him to wear,
opting instead for a pinstrit suit and Paisley tie, it
caused a rift between the two that would never be
repaired or forgotten.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Oh, that seems like not a great cause for a
lifelong rift.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
You know, you don't think so. Wow, Well you are
not a woman, so you wouldn't understand. But well, it
was sad because Betty in her book described this situation
and she was really mad that her mom planned everything
and really didn't ask her opinion. It was really frustrating
for Betty because you know, she had dreamed of planning

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her own wedding.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
I think her mom was kind of a society person
and she wanted things her way to impress her friends.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
They were married in April nineteen sixty nine, the year
of Woodstock. But Betty and Dan were not hippies or feminists.
They were both polished and traditional, with their sights set
on a picture perfect, upwardly mobile life. Since she was
a Betty had imagined her future as at a voted housewife,
building a family and home with the man she loved,

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but the reality of her marriage to Dan quickly shattered
those dreams. With Dan still in medical school, the financial
burden of rent and bills fell squarely on her shoulders.
Almost immediately, Betty began to regret her decision. She later
claimed that Dan did too, admitting to a friend that
he had second thoughts about the marriage almost as soon
as it happened. These cracks grew more visible during their

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honeymoon in Saint Thomas, where Betty got her first shoe
glimpse of Dan's drinking. Their wedding night was nothing like
she had hoped. Her first sexual experience was hurried and crude,
with Dan falling asleep on top of her without even
bothering to undress. Betty would later allege that he'd even
canceled the hotel's housekeeping service, insisting that she cleaned the

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room herself an active maid.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Oh that's not cool. No.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
When they returned from their honeymoon, there were no units
available and married housing at Cornell, so Betty moved into
Dan's tiny dorm room. Despite Betty being the breadwinner, Dan
took over their finances. In her book Telling On Myself,
Betty wrote about getting married at a young age. Quote.
I went from very strict, protective parents directly into the

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arms of a very strict, controlling husband, without one single
day on my own where I could have made my
own choices and tried to live my own life. I
never thought about what I was missing then, because you
can't miss what you've never had, or at least that's
what I used to believe. He was always afraid I
would leave him, and I wish that I could have
left him. I wanted to. I wanted to annul the

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whole thing right away, but I knew that could never
happen in my family. I couldn't leave him, and I
couldn't go home. Besides to Catholics marriages forever, Dan knew
he had me where he wanted me, trapped.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
That does not sound like a good way to start out.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
Married, like exactly like from the beginning, I think they
were somewhat doomed.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Yeah, it's too bad.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
Shortly after their honeymoon, when robust Betty found herself with
persistent bleeding, nausea, and heartburn, she was shocked to learn
that she was pregnant. She blamed her Catholic school education
for not knowing about birth control, assuming that Dan, who
was studying to be a doctor, would know how to
prevent such an occurrence until they were ready to start

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a family, ideally after Dan had graduated and they had
more than one income to support their family. Betty was
still teaching when Kim was born on January twentieth, nineteen seventy.
She worked her whole pregnancy. Betty had very hard pregnancies.
She bled throughout her pregnancy, and she had a lot
of sickness, which she worked like the entire pregnancy that's rough.

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On the night that Kim was born, the Broaderies were
hosting a party at their house. Betty, feeling labor coming on,
prepared food and entertained the guests while waiting for her
husband to turn up. But Dan didn't show up until midnight,
drunk with a woman on his arm boy. By this time,
Betty's labor pains were intense. After they arrived at the

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hospital in a taxi, Dan promptly fell asleep in the
waiting room. Luckily for Betty, it was a quick and
easy delivery. When the doctor wroke Dan to tell him
the good news, the two of them went to a
bar to celebry oh good lord, she wish that you
lived in the nineteen sixties. It was a man's world.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
I mean, it's still a man's world, but it is comical.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
I know it's sad, but I think of like the
show mad Men, and I just remembered the one scene
when I think it was Pete his wife had a
baby and he's like in a meeting and they're like, oh,
your wife had had a girl, and he was like, okay, great,
and then they go back to the meeting. It's like, oh, man,
just a different world.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
Like it's hard to believe that dads weren't allowed in
the I don't know if they were, they weren't allowed,
or they just didn't.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Do it happen. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
While Dan pursued his education, Betty left her teaching job
and took on babysitting so she could remain at home
with him. After completing medical school, Dan changed course, deciding
he'd rather practice law than medicine, and enrolled at Harvard
Law School. Betty had a feeling that Dan's desire to
continue his education had something to do with his desire

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to avoid the draft. When a draft notice eventually materialized,
he conspired with medical friends to write him letters of
deferment due to his non existent bleeding ulcers. I am
not sure if that story was true or not. I
found most of the things that Betty said to be true,
m but that was Betty's account, okay.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
While Dan was in his first year of law school,
Betty was miserable in their cold, sparsely finished basement apartment.
When she found out she was pregnant again. She longed
to return to teaching, but with no one to care
for baby Kim, it wasn't possible. And then, to make
matters worse, her beloved little MG the car that she
had worked so hard to buy, was stolen. To save money,

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Dan had canceled their auto insurance and they couldn't afford
a new car. Their financial situation was dire, but Dan
insisted on wearing expensive suits and bow ties to class,
determined to make the best impression on fellow students and faculty.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Throughout the remainder of Dan's life, fashion was always very
important to him. He dressed well, but he also dressed
a little quirky.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Did he always wear a bow tie?

Speaker 1 (22:24):
Think he frequently wore a bow tie.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
I've never met a guy who wears a bow tie
regularly that I liked.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
Wow, what about or Red and Backer?

Speaker 2 (22:32):
I never met him Bill Nye again, never met him.
Maybe I would like him, but Betty had to take
the bus everywhere, even to do laundry, lugging soiled diapers
on the bus through winter snow. One night, Dan agreed
to stay with ten month old Kim while she went
to the laundromat. Betty returned home to Dan yelling and

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slapping the baby. Furious, Betty packed, told Dan she was
divorcing him, and left with Kim to stay with her parents.
When she arrived, her mother, with whom Betty had never
had a good relationship, told her she could stay one night.
She had made her bed with Dan and she needed
to return to her marriage. There was no lifeboat. In

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July nineteen seventy two, their second daughter, Lee was born.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
In some places I heard her referred to as Kathy Lee,
but Betty called her Lee, and I believe that's what
she has gone by most of her life. But her
official name I think is Kathy Lee.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Gotcha. Kim had been an easy baby, but Lee was
challenging with constant colic. Betty said that Lee was most
like her Betty was soon pregnant again with her third child.
She considered getting an abortion because she was exhausted caring
for two children. Dan was never home and refused to
help with the children. When he was, he convinced Betty

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that he would change and pleaded with her to keep
the baby. When she went into labor prematurely at seven months,
during a snowstorm, Dan was away skiing with friends. Betty
was forced to leave the girls with a neighbor and
call the police for a ride to the hospital. Sadly,
after four days, the baby died. Betty became deeply depressed,

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and Dan was cold and unemotional. Only twenty three, she
attempted to take her life by swallowing every pill she
could find in their small apartment. She was surprised when
she awoke the next morning. Dan promised her life would
soon be better, but it wasn't all difficult. Both knew
their struggles would ease once Dan graduated. At night, they

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would lie in bed, imagining the house they would buy
and the trips they would take. They were both always
looking for ways to enrich themselves. Betty enrolled in a
French cooking class, while Dan took flying lessons. In nineteen
seventy four, Dan twenty six graduated from Harvard Law School
with an MD and his new law degree, he could

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write his own ticket as a medical malpractice jorney. He
got a job at a large, prestigious San Diego law firm,
Gray Carrie, Aimes and Fry, making about thirty thousand dollars
a year or one hundred and eighty thousand in today's dollars.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
There is a lot of money in this case, and
sometimes I give you the amount adjusted for inflation, but
most of the events took place in the mid nineteen eighties.
And if I don't give you the adjusted for inflation amount,
just multiply at times three.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Okay, But this was his new job. His new job
was in the early seventies or seventies.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
So that's why it's yeah, it's a lot more than
three times. But yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
Lance Schaeffer, who worked alongside Dan, recalled quote he was
a superstar. Dan was the kind of guy who made
all the rest of us look like loafers. In his
last year at the firm, he built around twenty five
hundred hours when eighteen hundred is considered tops, so.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
That comes out to about ten hours a day, seven
days a week, so he was working a lot. Yeah,
and that just an account for the amount of times
that he had to socialize after work. And these are
billable hours, so you know, not every hour that you
work as billable. So right, Dan was working very hard.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Oh, I guess. So. Dan was also active in the
San Diego Bar Association, eventually serving as president, and he
occasionally taught law classes, but those long hours came at
a price. His wife and children often felt like an afterthought.
He never called home. It was against the culture of
the law firm. A coworker said, anybody who calls home

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is a whimp.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
What do you think about that?

Speaker 2 (26:34):
I mean things times have changed a lot, and I
don't think that would fly.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Anyone who calls home is a good husband and father exactly.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Betty tried to keep it in perspective, reminding herself that
Dan was building a career and reputation that one day
would pay off, giving him more time for family.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
So it was all an investment in their future.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yeah, it's such a that's kind of a deluded way
of thinking, though, you know, it's just it's just going
to be for a while, and everything's going to be better.
Although he was making good money, more than half of
his paycheck went towards paying down his student debt. Money
was tight, and Dan was resentful for any money that
went toward household expenses. Decades before most American families carried

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credit card debt, Dan and Betty leveraged their credit, putting
most of their expenses on credit and borrowing from one
to pay another, a practice that Dan continued even when
he had great wealth. Betty returned to teaching after the
move to California. On weekends, she worked at a jewelry
store and as a hostess at a restaurant. When Betty

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found out she was pregnant shortly after the move, she
had an abortion. A few months later, she was pregnant
once again, but it ended in a miscarriage. Dan opposed
the use of birth control. He claimed he didn't believe
in God, which made his refusal to let Betty use
it all the more puzzling to her. She saw it
as another means of control.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
In the early years of their marriage, the Broadericks rarely
stayed in one place for long, moving nearly every six months.
Their first house was lost in a devastating fire that
destroyed all of their belongings, but an insurance settlement made
it possible for them to start over. By the time
their third child, daniel Ty Broderick, the fourth dan Forth,

(28:21):
also known as Danny, was born in nineteen seventy six,
they were ready to put down permanent roots. I really
love the name dan Forth. That's really cute, roll off
the tongue. That year, they purchased a five bedroom home
on Coral Reef Avenue in San Diego for one hundred
and thirty thousand dollars. Modest by La Joya standards and

(28:43):
without the sweeping ocean views that the area was known for.
The house nevertheless became the heart of their family life,
place they would cherish for the next decade. In the
nineteen seventies, La Joya was a picture perfect slice of
the southern California coast, rugged with spilling into churquoise coves,
palm lined streets leading to elegant boutiques and art galleries,

(29:07):
and a community where country club luncheons and charity gallas
filled the social calendar. It was an affluent enclave insulated
from the turbulence of the outside world, where manicured lawns
and ocean view homes signaled both success and exclusivity. Dan
and Betty Broderick entered into this sun so carefully curated
world with big dreams, ready to carve out their place

(29:30):
among La Joya's elite. Did you have a grandmother that
lived in San Diego?

Speaker 2 (29:34):
I didn't.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yeah, And you visited?

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Oh yeah?

Speaker 1 (29:37):
And what was your impression of San Diego?

Speaker 2 (29:39):
I loved it. It was such a beautiful area. The
weather is always perfect and it's great.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Anywhere along the California coast is a beautiful place too,
for sure. Well, the way Betty described it, it sounds
very Stepford wives to me. No one ever talked about affairs, alcoholism,
or God forbid the D word. What the D word is?

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Oh? Divorce? Yeah, okay. I was thinking I was going
through it in my head only what could that be? Divorce? Okay.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Dan still kept tight control of the money. Seven years
into their marriage, Betty bought her first washer and dryer
with money she earned herself. That's really surprising to me.
That is, in nineteen seventy eight, Betty was pregnant again.
In the intervening years, she had another abortion and miscarried.
She decided to make this her final pregnancy. It all

(30:30):
been difficult, with extreme nausea throughout. She'd been pregnant nine
times and ten years. When Rhett was born, she had
a tubal ligation. Betty, now thirty two, thought the decision
was one of the best of her life. Is it
gave her agency over her life for the first time
in a long time.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
So how many kids did they have? Total?

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Ones say they had four. I was born of Kim Lee,
Danny and rhtt gotcha to our extra money. Betty became
the neighborhood baby, a role that came naturally after her
years of nanny ying. Children adored her, and she was
the fun mom who always had room for one more
at the kitchen table or in the backyard. While some
of La Hooya's socialite mothers were known for their designer

(31:14):
dresses and perfectly styled hair, Betty was more likely to
be found in a comfortable sweatsuit, playing sports with her
kids in the yard, singing silly songs with them, or
inventing games for them to play. Her friend Candy Westbrook
said quote, I remember going over there and try to
take her shopping or to a movie or something, and
there would be Betty standing in her kitchen saying whoops, no,

(31:36):
not today, we're doing cookies or biscuits or fudge. She
always had a half dozen kids around her, splashing dough everywhere.
The place was a mess, but she loved it. Kids
were her whole life. She was a complete mother Earth type.
Once I went over and she was dressed like miss Piggy.
Betty would do anything to make a little kid laugh.

(31:56):
Family met everything to Betty, and it painted her deeply
that her high had little interest in spending time at
home with her and the children. Betty is a very
funny lady. She made me laugh out loud several times
during her book. She's kind of a mean girl, but
also just witty, self deprecating. But when she was telling
her story, when she got to about this point in

(32:19):
her book, she wrote, quote, hold your horses. I know
you're probably getting bored with all these little details. Do
you want me to hurry up and get to the
good parts? The parts you see in the movies about
my life, the once the District Attorney helped make. But
stay with me, be patient because all of the little
threads and stories are essential to the tapestry of my life,
of who I am and how our marriage worked well.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
That's a good summary of why we often spend a
fair amount of time up front as well. Can I
talk about the backgrounds of the people involved, because I.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Love having a lot of background I hate when we
can't always get it. After five years at the law firm,
in nineteen seventy eight, Dan left the practice and decided
to set out on his own. He opened a five
hundred thousand dollars line of credit to keep them afloat
until he could reel in some big money. The Rodericks
were already heavily into debt at this time, and suiting

(33:11):
Dan's office with top of the line furnishing set them
back even further. As his image was very important to him,
but his earning potential was enormous. We didn't really talk
about this back when Dan was getting his degree, but
a double law degree, a medical degree, I mean that's
very impressive, and really I.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Would think, yeah, you could write your own ticket pretty much.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Right, I mean, your earning potential is essentially limitless. Yeah,
this was a surprising sweet spot in the Broderick's marriage.
Dan respected Betty's opinions on decorating and starting his new
law office. They were finally partners in something. Betty said,
Dan had the prettiest office in town, and it was
all her vision. Dan was smart, respected and admired by

(33:59):
his peers and judges. As his reputation grew, defendants and
their attorneys would fold and subtle lawsuits rather than face
him in court. While Dan was busy growing his law practice,
Betty threw herself into life as a suburban mom with
PTA meetings, orthodontist appointments, and soccer games. She loved hosting

(34:21):
Dan's clients and hosting dinner parties. She also was known
for hosting elaborate children's birthday parties. Betty just really loved
to throw a party, but she also found time for
charity work. She taught Bible study and Sunday school. Betty
made friends easily and was always fun to be around.
She was a good listener and quick to lend a

(34:42):
helping hand. She liked to carry plastic insects in her purse.
When at fancy restaurants, she'd place a bug on her
plate just to frighten the weight staff. But privately, Betty struggled.
She craved intimacy from her partner that he was never
able to provide. She tried so hard to make Dan
proud of her, but he barely noticed her. He was

(35:03):
so wrapped up in his upward mobility that he never
stopped to think what she might need for him. Not
to mention their kids. Yeah, when htt was for Betty
got her real estate license. She wanted to enter the
workforce and become successful in her own right, but Dan
didn't want her to, so she didn't. I wanted Betty

(35:23):
to be a fascinating woman when I read her book,
If anything, I think that she downplayed how dynamic she was, Like,
you know, you've already learned, like she could do all
these things at the same time, and when the marriage
was going well, she did them seamlessly. A lot of
people were in awe of her, And I think that

(35:44):
she could have been very successful in her own career, Yes,
had she chosen that path.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Yeah, it seems like she had a lot of talents
and was a hard worker. And yeah, definitely like people
liked her. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
Lawsuits can take years to go to trial or settle,
and sometimes just as long to get payment. A few
years into his private practice, the money started rolling in.
Dan had set the goal of making one million dollars
a year, and in nineteen eighty three he made that
goal and then surpassed it. Betty said, quote, we used

(36:15):
to go to la Vencia for dinner to celebrate when
he won a one million dollar settlement. But finally we
were there three times in one week, so we decided
that it wasn't worth making a big deal over that
maybe we should move it up to ten million dollars.
It doesn't mean that he was getting you know, he got.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Right the settlement.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
That was still he was a lot of money. We'll
be back after a break.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Dan had always been tight with money, but as the
big settlement started rolling in, his grip began to loosen.
The housekeeper's hours expanded to five days a week, and
o Per was hired, along with a gardener and a poolman.
The fan only began traveling more, jetting off on European
vacations and ski trips. Betty, now more fashion conscious, invested

(37:07):
freely in her wardrobe. Her new favorite hobby was revenge shopping.
Every time Dan made her mad, which was often, she
would go shopping. Once on a trip to New York,
when she became particularly enraged, she bought a pink and
lavender sequined Bob Mackie gown for seven thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
Seven thousand dollars times remember multi, Yeah, that's a nice gown.
A gown.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
She was just as generous with the children, enrolling them
in every imaginable sport and class, and spoiling not just
them but their friends as well. Almost overnight, their lifestyle transformed.
Dinners out, a grand piano, a sparkling new swimming pool,
a huge backyard trampoline, designer clothing, club memberships, all now

(37:54):
within reach. For Father's Day, Betty even surprised Dan with
a speedboat so they could water ski together. But with
the wealth came a different kind of poverty. Dan was
more successful than ever, yet increasingly absent from the lives
of his wife and children. While many of the Lahoya
mothers poured their energy into social obligations, charity work and

(38:16):
glamorous fundraising balls, Betty carved out a different identity. She
was the fun mom, the one all the neighborhood kids
wanted to be around. Her house was always full of activity,
and she thrived in the chaos. Girl Scouts, boy Scouts,
coaching soccer. Load him up, as her license plate read,
she was there for all of it. It was the

(38:37):
life she had dreamt of since she'd been a nanny
in her youth.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
It was really devastating, though, because as active as Betty
was in her kid's life at this point, Dan really
was not there.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Oh yeah, I can't imagine he had any time for
the kids, given his the work that he was doing.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
In the We're going to talk about a little more
in a minute. But he was a one man show.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Oh wow.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
He didn't have anyone else working in his office with him.
He did it all on his own.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Dan Broderick had always been attractive in a boyish, slightly
nerdy way, but his newfound wealth, along with a sharper haircut,
contact lenses, and a nose job, transformed him into a
handsome man. Dan's confidence had never been in short supply,
but success gave him a new swagger that many women
found irresistible. His wife, however, wasn't impressed. The charm she

(39:28):
once saw now felt like an act. Everything was for appearances.
Betty began cheekily calling Dan count.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Do money count? Do money count?

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Your money got it. With their new wealth, they began
looking at larger homes along the San Diego coastline. But
Dan hedged and Betty had a feeling she knew why.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
So at this point Dan is making We're not really sure,
but probably between two and three million dollars, and they
had redone their home, like everything was redone, from the
you know, the ceilings to the flooring. And I think
that Betty, you know, when she got bored, she just
wanted to spend more money. So they had been searching
for a new, grander home, probably an ocean front property,

(40:12):
for at least a year or two. Okay, but Dan
kept saying, yeah, that one's not quite right, that one's
not quite right. And it was just kind of a
constant battle with them.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Okay. Dan's drinking became more of a habit, and after
a second humiliating dui, Betty recognized he had a serious problem.
Once she knew he'd never truly confront she drew a line,
limiting her presence with him at social gatherings and refusing
to drive with him. Betty shifted gears to focus on

(40:42):
the children, while Dan immersed himself in work. It was
a turning point in their marriage, and Betty sensed his
grip on her loosening, not because he had changed, but
because his attention was shifting, and it wasn't work that
was distracting him this time, but another woman.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
Dan had stopped giving Betty compliments years ago, non since
their early courtship in New York, but it never bothered her.
She was confident in her beauty, intelligence, and humor. She
was Dan's greatest asset. His friends and business associates all
adored her, and Dan seemed oblivious to other women. But
one night at a party, her ears perked up when

(41:21):
she overheard him say, isn't she beautiful? He wasn't talking
about Betty, but about a twenty one year old receptionist
in his office building named LINDAKULKENA Betty later said quote,
I was shocked that this was the girl he thought
was so beautiful. She was just another skiddy, little bimbo
with a gap between her front teeth. She had all

(41:42):
those hair, all poofed up like Bridget Bardoux bobby pins,
and the whole bit, not a streak of blonde in it.
I was, to say the least underwhelmed. She couldn't hold
a candle. To me, I was prettier, I was smarter,
I was classier. It never occurred to me that Dan
would be toopid enough to throw his family away for
this office girl. It was just too much of a

(42:05):
cliche to believe.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Tell us how you really feel, Betty.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
She really loves to tell people how she feels, especially
about Dan and Linda. And spoiler alert, Linda is stunning.
Betty was also stunning. But you know, Linda was not
like some gap tooth bimbo. She was a beautiful woman
in her own right. At first, Betty remained in the
dark about the affair, but the whispers around town grew louder,

(42:30):
and soon friends began reporting back after seeing Linda and
Dan together outside of the office. In the summer of
nineteen eighty three, Betty took the children on a five
week camping tour to the national parks of the West.
It was a great adventure, but Betty was crestfallen that
Dan skipped the trip. Family time together meant everything to her.

(42:51):
Dan met them for a couple of days, but he
was grouchy, cold, and distant. It seemed that his affair
with a receptionist in his office building had heated up
in her absence, but Betty was not ready for a
confrontation yet. Upon her return, Dan informed her that he'd
hired a new assistant to help him manage his workload.

(43:11):
Betty was thrilled. Dan had been a one man show
since he'd opened his office and the workload was enormous.
She'd hope this would mean more time together at home,
But when she discovered that the new assistant was Linda Kulkina,
the woman she'd already suspected of having an affair with Dan,
it was the ultimate betrayal. Something inside her broke, never

(43:33):
to be fixed. To Betty, it was shocking Dan had
become the very cliche he once mocked, approaching forty with
a red sports car and a mush younger girlfriend.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
So Linda was his receptionist originally, but now he was
hiring her to be like more of a assistant, like.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
More of a Linda was the receptionist for this big
office building. Dan was just one of the offices and
that's where she started. So she was hired to be
a paralegal.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Okay, but basically now she was going to be full
time with him.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
With Dan, just the two of them. Yeah yeah. One afternoon,
while Betty and Dan drove to a wedding together, she
claims that He told her that he was bored with
his life, bored with her. He didn't love her anymore.
He told her she was old, fat, ugly, and boring.
Without Betty's knowledge, Dan had paid cash for two lots
in a new development called Fairbanks Ranch. It seems that

(44:30):
Dan had been preparing for his departure from their marriage
for quite some time. Later, Betty learned that Dan's previous
law firm had written a booklet for their clients called
Steps to be Taken and when preparing for divorce. Step one,
don't let the other party know what you were up to. Yeah,

(44:50):
I think that's where we're going to stop for part one.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Okay, well we'll come back for part two because I'm interested.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
You don't have a choice.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
What's gonna happen though, Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
What do you think of Betty brought herrick so far?

Speaker 2 (45:02):
She seems like a somewhat complicated person. Like you said
at the beginning, there's a lot going on in her mind.
She seems like she has a lot of talents, Like
she seems very smart, very capable, seems like she loves kids. So,
I mean, I think I know what's going to happen.
But she seems like a you know, overall a good
person and wanted to make her marriage work, and seems

(45:26):
like Dan was really not not into it.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Yeah. Where Dan and Betty ready for marriage? It doesn't
they got married so long. Yeah, how he was twenty
and no, I'm sorry, he was twenty three and she
was twenty. They're three years apart in age.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Yeah, I mean it's pretty young, especially when you know
you're If you're going into a marriage and you've basically
divorce is not even something that would be an option,
you better be really sure that you're getting into a
marriage that's going to last forever. It's hard. It's hard
to know even, you know, no matter what age you are,
but I think when you're that young, it's really hard

(46:01):
to know. What.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
Also, seems like Dan did change a little bit once
they were married, Like she saw a few red flags
that he was controlling. I don't think she thought he
was going to take over the finances. She literally never
knew where their money was and how much they had. Yeah,
and that was a big problem for her.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Well, and you said originally too, she liked the fact
that he didn't he wasn't a big drinker, and it
really turns out that he was a big drinker. Maybe
kept that from her in the early days.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Well, and for me, I lived like I went to college,
but then I lived on my own for a few
years before we commingles. And I'm so glad that I
got to do that. Yeah, and I know not everyone
is fortunate enough to be able to do that. I mean,
I had like the crappiest little apartment. I mean it
was it. Actually I actually loved it, but you know,

(46:47):
it wasn't the best, but it was cheap, and it
was I sport and it was mine and I really
am grateful that I had that opportunity.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
Yeah, I think it's great to be able to have
that opportunity, and it is sad that that she never
had that.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
So in nineteen sixty five, the average age of marriage
was twenty three point two years old for men and
twenty point eight years old for women. So actually Dan
and Betty like right on the dock day right there.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Yeah, you know what it is now, I'm just it is.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Thirty for men and twenty eight for women. Okay, so
you know, definitely we've made some progress. I don't know,
I shouldn't say progress, but you know, people are definitely
getting married older and having children older. Yeah, that were
not for everyone. You know, some people get married young
and have a great life together, but it doesn't always
work out that way. What do you think Betty could

(47:39):
have done differently when she saw the warning signs?

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Which warning signs do you mean specifically, because there were
quite a few.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
It seems like, well, I guess I mean before they
were married, when she saw that Dan was kind of
being was being controlling with her. Oh, well, do you
think but Dan probably just wanted a submissive wife.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Yeah, And I mean I think it was so common
back then too, that that was just the way it was.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
Women were supposed to be more submissive. Yeah, but I
mean I think Betty naturally wasn't a submissive woman, So
I think the cards were stacked against her for that anyway.
Like if she would have had the perfect husband, maybe
it would have worked out, but it just wasn't there
supporting her in the ways that she might have needed
more support.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Yeah, it's a tough situation, but I guess, you know,
I wish that she had communicated up front that like,
this is not going to work for me, right, If
this is the way you're going to be then I'm out.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
You know, But what do you think drew Betty to Dan?
Because initially she was like, I like tall athletic men,
and you're a short geek. Well.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
The one thing that I find that interesting about Betty
that seems somewhat contradictory is they sort of seem like
they were really into money and social standing, like that
was mentioned a few times early on, but at the
same time, it seems like she was more like she
wanted to be more of a mom and she just
wanted to have fun and do activities with the kids,

(49:01):
and it seems like the status wasn't as important to her.
So it sort of seems like she went with him
because of the potential of his careat and status, but
it doesn't seem like that's necessarily what she really wanted.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
I think she wanted to portray herself as someone and
even in her book she was like, oh, I never
cared about clothes, but you did, because like when she
was a model, when she was a teenager, she was
really happy that she could buy some Gucci things or whatever.
So yeah, I think she wanted to portray herself as
this you know, earthy mom, right, But she was drawn

(49:34):
to who isn't drawn to nice things? I love nice things?

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Do you think that Dan and Betty were too similar?
They had very similar backgrounds.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
I mean, I don't know. Maybe I think I think
it's good to be somewhat similar. I think we're fairly
similar in a lot of ways.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
I don't think we were. I think, I so, okay,
you're gonna like laugh at me, but in some ways
I see myself and Betty because I'm kind of a
lady too. I'm never going to kill you in your
sleep spoiler alert, But you know, I think we.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Had somewhat similar background.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
I definitely in our early years I fought more with you,
and then you just never took You would never took
the bait, and so I kind of gave.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
My strategy work. It was a long game.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
But I mean, I'm still happy to fight, but you don't.
I mean, you don't get a big head, but you're
a very good partner and not a lot of reasons
to fight with you.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
I mean, they say that opposites attract, but I think marriages.
I don't know, I'm not an expert, but to me,
I would think marriages where the people are more similar
have a better chance of working out than you know,
their opposites.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
Yeah, because they both identified being Catholic, even though Dan
wasn't very religious. I don't really think Betty was either,
but those you know, foundations of being Catholic were just
inbred in them. They also also both like to fight.
You know, Dan was an attorney, and I think that
they liked to spar with each and I think they
were both narcissistic.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Okay, and that is that's probably not.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
A very bad combination, right, yeah, Okay, One more question,
this is this is a hard question. How do you
think We already talked about this a little bit, but
what's the best way to handle conflict in a marriage?

Speaker 2 (51:18):
I think just tight in your room and close the.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Be scared of your wife.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Just wait for it to pass. And then no, I know,
I think it's obviously communication.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
Is really really trying to take any angry or defensive,
try to listen to your partner.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Yes, I think for us, you know, I think that
has helped a lot with both of us, but probably
me especially like is you know, remaining somewhat calm and
not i don't know, not not escalating the anger in
the you know, if there's a fight going on or
something like that.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Yeah, I would say really really listening when you're having
a disagreement, whether it's with your partner or your kids
or whoever, just really try to hear where the other
person is coming from. You don't have to agree necessarily,
but really try to hear what they're saying, and you know,
know what emotional state they're in, what emotion that you

(52:14):
know is being evoked in them. Yeah, if it makes sense,
it does. In nineteen sixty five, about twenty to twenty
five percent of marriages eventually ended in divorce. Divorce was
less common and more stigmatized. Today, roughly forty to forty
five percent of first marriages are estimated to end in divorce,
though rates vary by factors such as education, age, and

(52:37):
socioeconomic status. How many second marriages do you think end
in divorce? So we said forty to forty five percent
of marriages and in divorce today, what do you think
it is for second marriages?

Speaker 2 (52:49):
That's a good question. I almost think it might be
more just because you get divorced. Once you find out, well,
you know, they this doesn't work out, I can.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
Just try again, so hard to go through, especially like
the financial Yeah, I guess maybe if you're on your
second marriage, you're like, we are not going to commingle
our finances. That's probably one of the things that people learn.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
And you're probably less likely to have kids together in
a second marriage. Yeah, I'm just saying less likely. I'm
not saying it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
Happen a lot of times. So they people will have
one more child together. Yeah, what do you think you
have to give a guess? Fifty sixty to sixty seven percent.
It's a huge amount of people to get divorced a
to the second marriage, third marriages.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
I'm gonna it has to go down that. At that point,
it came seventy.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
Seventy three percent. So yeah, like I just I don't
know if i'd even bother.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Wow, that's really shocking. I'm guessing you don't have the
stat for fourth marriages. At some point, it's got to
go down.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Gosh, I don't I don't know, but like you know,
some people just keep going, yeah, yeah, how many times
have you been married? I don't think you've ever told
to say for just one it's just once is enough,
one and done. That's right, that's right, baby, Thank you
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