September 9, 2025 • 53 mins
In the peaceful town of New Canaan, Connecticut, Jennifer Dulos dropped off her five kids at school on May 24th, 2019 just like any other day, but then she vanished without a trace. Investigators quickly turned their attention to Jennifer’s estranged husband, Fotis Dulos. Their messy divorce had been dragging on for almost two years, and Jennifer had said she was afraid of Fotis. But was he responsible for her disappearance? And if so, what happened, and where was she?
Original Love Marry Kill air date: 12/4/2023
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, I'm Tina and I'm Rich. Welcome to Love Mary Kill.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Just the facts.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Today.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
The case I'm going to cover is a request from
our listener, Kelly. Thank you Kelly for Kelly giving us
this request. Interesting case. It is the story of Jennifer
and Photus Doulos Fotus Fotus fotis. So I'm going to
talk through this story, but just a adds up. I
gave you some.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Lines to you, kid, and I have not looked them over.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
In true Tina.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Fashion, Yeah, you are going to be the voice of
Jennifer in today's case. In the peaceful town of New Canaan, Connecticut, Jennifer, there,
we almost lived in Connecticut, not New Canaan.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Okay, where is New Canaan.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
New Canaan is in the very far southwest corner of Connecticut.
We were going to live in Danbury, Connecticut, which is
a big airfield.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
There was a several towns we looked at. Yeah, that
was many, many, many moons ago.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
It was all right, let me start over again in
the peaceful town of New Canaan, Connecticut. Jennifer Dulos dropped
off her five kids at school on May twenty fourth,
twenty nineteen, just like any other day, but then she
vanished without a trace. Investigators quickly turned their attention to
Jennifer's estranged husband, Fotus Dulos. Their messy divorce had been
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dragging on for almost two years, and Jennifer had said
that she was afraid of Fotus. But was he responsible
for her disappearance and if so, what happened and where
was she? Jennifer Farber was born in nineteen sixty eight
and grew up in New York City near Greenwich Village
off of Fifth Avenue. Her dad, Hilliard Farber, was a
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highly successful banker. Her mom, Gloria, was a well known
philanthropist who got involved in causes benefiting children, with a
focus on education. The family was certainly wealthy. Jennifer's uncle,
Gloria's brother, was married to Liz Claiborne, and together they
founded the Woman's Clothing Company that would become a billion
dollar business. Jennifer went to the prestigious Brown University, where
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she first met Fotus Dulos, a Greek immigrant who she
would eventually marry. The two met during Jennifer's first week
at school, but she didn't see him much after that.
It would be seventeen years later that they would reconnect
and start dating. Jennifer graduated from Brown in nineteen ninety,
and then she went to New York University's Tish School
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of Arts to pursue her Master of Fine Arts in writing.
Friends say she found her voice during the MFA program,
and for the next decade she wrote with passion and focus.
According to Carrie Luft, one of Jennifer's closest friends. During
that time, Jennifer wrote four full length plays, and she
also completed a first draft of a novel. Jennifer, Carrie,
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and some other friends also founded a theater group called
the Playwrights Collective.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Were any of Jennifer's plays produced, You.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Know, I wasn't able to find any information about any
of them. I think the theater company that they formed
probably did some of them, but I was not really
able to find a whole lot of information about the
plays other than what I'm going to tell you next,
which is that Her writing during this period has been
described as surreal comedy mixed with memoir elements. One play,
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called The Red Door, is about a young woman who
is about to get married and is visited by men
from her past, guys that she's dated, wanted to date,
or fantasized about Carrie loved her friends said quote at core,
almost all Jennifer's work explores the need to be loved
and known as one's true self. Another friend and Jennifer's
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literary agent, Elizabeth Schenkman, said about Jennifer during that period
of her life, quote, Jennifer was a vibrant presence on
the New York literary scene in the late nineteen nineties.
She was observant and often riley funny about human behavior
and social interactions, and she was always generous and supportive
towards others other writers in her midst In two thousand
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and three, now thirty five year old Jennifer ran into
Potus Doulos at the airport, who she remembered from their
days at Brown University. Fotis was born in Istanbul, Turkey,
the youngest of four kids. Born into a middle class
Greek family, The family moved to Greece while Fotis was
in his teens and then, citing a desire to get
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exposure to society and culture beyond his upbringing, he decided
to attend college in the US at Brown University, where
he first met Jennifer. By the time the two met again,
he had finished his MBA at Columbia Business School and
was working as a management consultant at cap Gemini.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
You said they met in college initially at Brown.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
They didn't date.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Then, No.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I think they just met briefly during her freshman year.
But I don't even know if they really hung out much.
The articles that I read said that they they met,
but they didn't really. You see each of demostrations, Yeah, exactly.
While Fotus had grown up middle class, he developed a
taste for the finer things in life once he started
earning good money as a consultant. He was smart, well spoken,
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and athletic. He's been described by friends and family as
having endless energy and a positive outlook on life. He
loved to ski, both snow skiing and water skiing. Jennifer
was also athletic, playing squash competitively during high school and
also being a runner. At the time they met again
in two thousand and three, Potus was in the process
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of separating from his first wife. He and Jennifer were
both ready for commitment, and Fotus made it clear upfront
that he wanted a big family and he wanted it.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Soon, so he didn't have children with his first wife, No.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
He did not. The couple got married in two thousand
and four, and they moved to Connecticut, where Potus started
a luxury home building business called The Four Group. To
fund the business, Potus borrowed millions of dollars from Jennifer's father, Hilliard,
although Fotus would later claimed that it was a gift,
not alone. Jennifer had some difficulty getting pregnant, but with
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the help of fertility treatment, she got pregnant and gave
birth to twin boys in two thousand and six, Petrose
and Theodore. Another set of twins came along in two
thousand and eight, this time a boy named Constantine and
a girl named Christianne. Another daughter, Cleopatra Noel or Clea Noel,
as Jennifer called her, was born in twenty ten to
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complete the family. With the growing family, Jennifer put her
writing on the back burner. She kept the kids busy
with activities, art classes, music, horse riding, swimming, and tennis.
Potus's business seemed to be going well, and he also
got the kids involved in water skiing, which was almost
an obsession for him. The oldest set of twins were
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competing at the highest levels of international water skiing competitions
by the time they were nine years old. The family
moved frequently because Potus would move them into whatever house
he was building until it sold, and then he would
move them into the next house. It was stressful constantly
moving from one home to another. Many of these houses
were over ten thousand square feet, and they often didn't
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have time to fully furnish them or settle in before
moving on to the next one, so they would be
living in these huge, luxurious homes with cardboard boxes all around.
Jennifer did start writing again after Cleo Noel was born,
this time in the form of blogging about family life.
She wrote a blog that was published on patch dot
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com and another blog on her own site called and
Five Make Seven, which was subtitled a mother of five
in Connecticut writes to her children. As a way of
capturing this moment in time, I'm going to have you
read a short excerpt of a post that she wrote
early on about getting back into writing and putting her
work out there.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
It's both exciting and terrifying to spread the word about
the blog. I have been so utterly private for so
long now and it has served me well some ways.
Now that I am writing again about my most inner thoughts,
the inside of her home, the inside of my life,
really such a total turnaround. What am I doing botus?
(08:11):
My husband ask me this for someone who so protects
her privacy, this makes no sense. I guess in some
ways I choose what I write, but I share. I
decide what I put out there, what's meaningful to me
to say each day. I know some of what he
is saying is right, But the urge to keep on
going is here and is starting to snowball, and the
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sense the more I write, the more I desire to
write and to post and to share and to see
what this all evolves into. It's a work in progress.
Who knows where it'll go. The exciting thing is not knowing. So,
just from reading that, like, is he controlling?
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I think he may have been a little bit controlling.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
As time went on, their marriage began to deteriorate and
they started to fight more frequently. In January of twenty twelve,
Jennifer wrote a blog about her New Year's resolutions, one
of which was about Fotus.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
She wrote, why do I always feel like a failure
along these lines. I'm a bit overwhelmed and outstretched, and
it's him whom I short changed first.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
She also wrote in vague terms about the conflicts between them.
In one blog, she.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Wrote, don't be number two to anybody. That's what my
father always told me. It's hard for girls, now women, wives, mothers.
It's hard to know this for.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Real, And in another she wrote, I wish I.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Were a stronger person. That confrontation did not both scare
and appall me. I just need quiet, peace and calm.
They're so very lucky monks, they're the same gender. They
don't have to worry about misunderstandings that could arise in
opposite sex relationships.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Monks are lucky.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I know I'm respected about that they take. But that's
that's an odd It's a.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Odd odd analogy to make, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I think so.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Over time, Potus spent more time away from home, going
on what he said were water skiing trips for as
many as ten days a month. He wanted to live
the lifestyle of the rich and famous, not stay home
raising five kids with an introspective wife who liked to
read and write. Potus got more aggressive over time as well.
One time he got into a physical fight with a
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parking lot attendant at Jennifer's parents' apartment building. He was
also very demanding with the kids and their water skiing training.
He kept them on a strict training regimen, some days,
working them from eight am to seven pm. In her
later divorce filing, Jennifer said, the kids.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Are physically and emotionally exhausted and have begged me to
do something about it. We are all terrified to disobey
my husband.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Jennifer's father passed away in twenty seven seventeen, and in
March of that year, she confronted photos about his increasing
time away from home. He confessed that he was having
an affair. Fotus met Michelle Traconis during a trip to
Miami with the children at the water skiing club where
they were members. Michelle was forty four, a single mother
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of one daughter. She was Venezuelan and seemed to be
more Photus type. She worked in marketing and pr for
a high end resort. She was athletic rode horses, reported
for ESPN in South America on snow skiing, and was
a competitive water skier. She once said that her goal
was to rank in the top fifty female water skiers worldwide.
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The affair with Fotus wasn't just a fling. He had
fallen very much in love with her, and he told
Jennifer that he was no longer in love with her,
But he also wasn't ready for Jennifer to leave him
with the children. At one point, he even suggested to
Jennifer that maybe Michelle could move into their house. They
could all live together in peace and harmony, and Jennifer
and Michelle I wouldn't really even have to see each other.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
It's a really good idea.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
It was a huge house, after all.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Goodness.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah, Jennifer was not on board with that plan. Jennifer stayed,
nor would.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
I don't get any big ideas in your heads.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Most wives would not be on board with that. Jennifer
stayed with Fotus for a few months after she found
out about the affair, but it was pretty much the
last straw for her. Shortly after learning about the affair,
she also discovered that Fotus had bought a gun. Fotus
and Jennifer had agreed early on in the marriage that
there would be no guns in the house while they
were raising their children. But Fotis bought a handgun without
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telling her and showed it to at least one of
the kids, who then told their mom about it. On
June nineteenth, twenty seventeen, Jennifer packed up the kids and
some of her things and left without telling Fotus. When
he came home to find them gone, he called nine
to one.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
One of your emergency.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
I am worried about my wife and kids and I
haven't I'll be able to get in special kids.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
That's just a short clip of the nine one one
call that Jennifer took the kids to a house that
she had rented in New Canaan, Connecticut, which was about
seventy miles from their home in Farmington, Connecticut, and the
next day Fotus was served with divorce papers. It would
be an ugly and messy process that dragged on for
almost two years, with more than three hundred motions filed
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by both parties, and was still not finalized by the
time of Jennifer's disappearance. Jennifer's filings showed just how afraid
she was of Potus. In one affidavit, she wrote.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
I am terrified for my family's safety, especially since discovering
the gun since my husband has a history of controlling,
volatile and delusional behavior.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Fotus claimed that he had discussed with Jennifer the possibility
of purchasing a gun, and then he turned it over
to the Farmington police.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
She also wrote, I am afraid of my husband. I
know that filing for divorce and filing this motion will
enrage him. I know he will retaliate by trying to
harm me in some way. I am afraid for my
safety and the physical and emotional wellbeing of our minor children.
So that blog it kept really personal.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
This is not from her blog. This is from her
divorce filing. Oh I'm sorry, Yeah, no, that would have
been something, but no, these are all These more recent
quotes are from the different filings that she made during
the divorce. She also claimed in one of those filings
that he had threatened to take the children away to
Greece and that she would never find them. In another motion,
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she claimed that Fotus almost hit her with his Chevy
Suburban in her driveway when he was coming to pick
up the children for a visit, accelerating and then swerving
at the last moment. She said that the children had
witnessed this incident, she requested and was eventually granted full
custody of the children while the divorce proceedings were going on,
with a judge concluded voting that Photus had pressured the
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kids to lie in order to help his cause and
that his actions constituted emotional abuse. Fotus denied all these
allegations and responded with his own filings, claiming that Jennifer
was not fit to be a single parent of the
five children and that she was taking medication for mental
health issues. He said that she had lost one of
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the children on more than one occasion, including during a
trip to London. He also claimed that she had tried
to turn the kids against him by telling them things
like your dad is a psychopath and your dad does
not care about you. Jennifer's mother also sued Fotus for
repayment of the two point five million dollars in loans
that she and Hilliard had given him to start his business.
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As I mentioned earlier, Potus claimed that the startup money
money had been a gift, not alone. Fotus was frustrated
by all of his losses in court, one time asking
a judge, why do I always get the raw end?
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Of the stick.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
With that, let's take a quick break. We'll be right back.
So this all brings us to Friday, May twenty fourth
of twenty nineteen. Just before eight am, Jennifer made the
short three minute drive to drop the kids off at
school in her Chevy Suburban. She was seen on multiple
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cameras returning home by eight oh five, but she has
not been seen since. When she didn't show up for
some appointments in the city that day, her friends became
concerned and called to report her missing. That evening, around
seven pm, officers went to Jennifer's rental home and they
did an initial search. Her suburban was not in the garage,
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but officers saw what looked like blood on the floor
of the garage and also what appeared to be blood
spatter on the side of Jennifer's other car, a twenty
fourteen Range Rover, that was parked in the middle of
the three car garage. Detectives noted that it appeared that
someone had made an attempt to wipe up the blood
before giving up. Around the same time detectives arrived at
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jennifer house, her abandoned suburban was found parked three and
a half miles away on the side of Lapham Road,
which bordered Waveny Park. Waveny Park is a park in
New Canaan with a mansion at its center, surrounded by
three hundred acres of fields, ponds, and trails. They immediately
launched a full scale search of the park, using helicopters
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and canine teams. There were no security cameras in the park,
but they asked joggers and other visitors if they had
seen Jennifer, but there was no sign of her anywhere.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I remember you saying earlier on she was a runner.
Is she's still running? And could she have?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Yeah? I believe she was still running even up until
her disappearance.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
So could she have been out for a run.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
And I mean, it's possible. I'm sure it's one of
the things they considered at first, but you know, it
just seemed I think right away it was suspicious, right
the fact that she did not show up for some appointments,
which was unlike her, and then her car just to
be found abandoned like that was very suspicious. The next day,
Fotus agreed to come into the New Canaan Police Department
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to talk to the police. He showed up around two
forty five in the afternoon, which was three hours later
than the time that he and detectives had agreed on.
Within minutes of his arrival, his lawyer came in and
told investigators that Photus would not be providing an interview
and that he and his client would be leaving. Detectives
told Photos that they were surprised that he was not
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going to assist in the search for Jennifer. During this discussion,
Photos had his phone out and one of the detectives
asked if he could see it. Fotus handed it over
without hesitation. The detective asked for the passcode to unlock it,
and Potus gave it to him zero zero zero zero,
which is not a very secure pass code, As the detective,
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you're telling people that. As the detective put the phone
in airplane mode, Fotus's lawyer asked what he was doing.
The detective said he was securing the phone and its
data because he believed it contained evidence related to Jennifer's disappearance,
and that they would be seeking a search warrant. Fotus's
lawyer said that they had no grounds to seize the
cell phone, but then he and Fotus left and the
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police were able to get the search warrant authorizing them
to go through the phone's contents that evening. The first
thing that jumped out to them was that Photus's phone
data showed that he had spent an hour or so
around Albany Avenue in Hartford, Connecticut, on the evening of
the twenty fourth, around the seven pm hour. Hertford is
not far from Potus's home in Farmington, about ten miles away,
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and Albany Avenue is a fairly major street that runs
through Hartford. I'm not sure why they happened to find
that location suspicious, but they headed up there and they
decided to canvass the area. What the police had going
for them, and what Fotus probably didn't realize, is that
there are some seven hundred cameras all around the city
of Hertford. It's one of the most sophisticated surveillance systems
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of any city in the US, and it's actually been
a source of controversy with sil rights or civil liberties
groups raising privacy concerns. As they went through the footage
for the evening of May twenty fourth, they identified a
Ford Raptor pickup truck that was registered to Potus's Company
four group. Between seven thirty and seven fifty pm, they
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saw the pickup truck drive along Albany Avenue, stopping several times,
and each time it would stop, they saw the driver
get out and put some black garbage bags into various
various trash receptacles. They identified the driver as Photus and
also saw that there was a passenger in the truck
as well, which appeared to be Fotus's girlfriend, Michelle Treconis.
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Investigators then went around to the garbage bins and also
searched the trash facility that some of the bins had
been emptied and sent to, and they were able to
recover several black garbage bags that contained clothing and undergarments
that had been cut, plastic zip ties, and a bunch
of household items like sponges, paper towels, gloves, a mop, handled,
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duct tape, and ponchos.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Oh boy, we've been there before.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yes, many of the items had what appeared to be
blood on them. Testing would eventually show a DNA match
to Jennifer Dulos on all of these items. Additionally, there
was a match to Fotus's DNA on a couple of items,
a match to his fingerprint on a couple of others,
and a DNA match to Michelle Traconis on a couple
of the black plastic garbage bags. They also found Potus' DNA,
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along with some of Jennifer's blood, on the faucet in
the kitchen of her home. Another piece of footage showed
Fotus putting a large, white colored item down a storm
drain on Albany Avenue. Police were able to retrieve this
as well. It turned out to be a large FedEx envelope.
Inside were two Connecticut license plates. The plate number appeared
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to be five T six WBU, but as they looked closer,
they saw that blue tape had been used to alter
the number. The real number was five to one six
w DJ. And who do you think that plate was
registered to?
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Fotus?
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Yes, okay, I have to be honest. I made you
rewy because I got it wrong the first time.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
That's okay, that's okay.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
It was your weak storytelling caused me to get it wrong.
Oh you're doing a great job.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Thank you. It was a canceled registration, but it had
belonged to photos.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
I have a question, okay.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
So you said there's blood, and there's like paper towels
and things that were used to clean up the scene.
Was there anything indicating that she was dead though, No,
they can not. On a Walsh case, like some of
her tissue was found and that led people to determine
that she was No.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
I think it was just the quantity of blood that
they found. It seemed like it was probably quite a
bit like in the garage, but then also on all
these items that they found, so it yeah, I don't
think there was anything else, but it just seemed like
there was enough there that it was pretty likely that
she was dead.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
I'm always hopeful, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Yeah, it did appear that Jennifer was most likely dead,
and that Photus was responsible, and that Michelle was probably
involved at least in helping to dispose of the evidence
of what.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
I don't ever.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
I never understand these girlfriends who are just like, yeah,
you know, your wife was a paint of the butt,
it's okay that you killed her, and yeah, I just
don't understand that.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
I do not understand it either. The search for Jennifer
was still ongoing, but investigators decided to arrest Fotus and
Michelle not on murder charges yet, but on charges of
tampering with evidence and hindering prosecution. The arresta warrants were
issued and executed on June first, eight days after Jennifer's disappearance.
Their goal was to get Potus and Michelle in custody
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so that they could ask questions and hopefully get them
to talk, but Fotus wouldn't cooperate at all. He lawyered
up and didn't say a word. In her first interview
on June second, Michelle gave investigators her account of the
day of Jennifer's disappearance. She said that she and Fotus
had won looking up at their house in Farmington on
the twenty fourth. At six forty am, she and Fotus
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showered and had sex, and then she made breakfast for
her daughter and drove her to school. She initially said
that she was with Fotus all morning, but when pressed,
said that maybe it wasn't the entire morning, but she
said he was definitely with her between six forty and
eight fifteen, which would have given him an alibi during
the time that Jennifer disappeared. She also claimed that she
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saw Photus with Kent Mawinney, who was Fotus's friend and
attorney at eight fifteen am in the four Group office,
which was above the garage of their residence. She did
admit to being with Fotus during his drive along Albany
Avenue that evening. She said that he had invited her
to go to Starbucks and she had no idea why
he kept stopping and throwing things in garbage bins. The
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next day, June third, investigators executed a search warrant at
Potus and Michelle's home, and they found what came to
be known as the Alibi Script. It was two pages
of handwritten notes that laid out in roughly one hour
increments Potuses and Michelle's activities on the twenty fourth and
the twenty fifth. The writing was in two different handwritings,
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later confirmed to be Fotuses and Michelle's, and what do
you know, it pretty much mapped verbatim to the story
that Michelle told investigators the day before. When they confronted
Michelle with the Albi Scripts, she claimed that Fotus's attorney
told them they should write out everything they did those days.
But Michelle's story would diverge from the Alibi Script in
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subsequent interviews as investigators confronted her with evidence that Fotus
was seen in other places early the morning of the
twenty fourth. In her second interview, she admitted, after some
tears and attempts to change the subject, that she didn't
actually see Fotus that day until between one and two pm.
In her third interview, she admitted that Fotus wasn't at
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home when she woke up at six forty am, they
hadn't showered together or had sex, and that she didn't
see him until at least noon. She also said that
she didn't actually see Photus at the four Group office
meeting with Kent Mawinni, as she had claimed. She now
said that she dropped by the fore Group office, which
again was at their house above the garage, and she
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saw Mawinni by himself, but that Photus's cell phone was
on the table, so she assumed that he was either
there or somewhere at home. There were several other inconsistencies
in Michelle's stories across the three different interviews that she
did with the police during these days. While they were
conducting interviews with Michelle and still searching for Jennifer, investigators
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uncovered several other pieces of video evidence that helped flesh
out Potus's movements on the day in question. First, they
saw him very early in the morning of the twenty fourth,
at five thirty five am, leaving one of his other
properties in Farmington, about two miles from his home. He
was driving a red Tacoma pickup truck. The truck didn't
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belong to photos. It was actually one of his employees,
who said that he normally left his pickup truck at
Potus's home during the week and drove one of the
company cars. They spotted the red Tacoma on video in
several locations between Farmington and New Canaan, including school bus
video from that morning that showed the Tacoma parked about
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three miles from Jennifer's house and only about one hundred
feet from where Jennifer's abandoned car was eventually found. This
led investigators to wonder if Fotus parked there and maybe
jogged to her home. But then an eagle eyed detective
noticed in one of the pieces of video footage that
it looked like that there was a bike tire sticking
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up out of the back of the pickup, So they
then reviewed any video footage they could find from houses
in between where the Tacoma was parked and Jennifer's house,
and sure enough they saw a guy in dark clothing
wearing a black hoodie with the hood pulled up to
obscure the rider's face, riding a bike toward Jennifer's house
at seventh Just to note, the temperature in New Canaan
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that morning was in the mid sixties, so if you
were biking, you probably wouldn't be bundled up with a
hoodie on, you know, pulled over your head. So I've
given you a lot of details about the video footage,
but let me step back and just run through the
timeline of everything we know for sure. On May twenty fourth,
five thirty five am, Photus leaves one of his properties
in Farmington driving his employees red Tacoma pickup truck. Now,
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this is about ninety minutes from New Canaan, where Jennifer lived.
The truck is spotted on video at locations between Farmington
and New Canaan at six thirty six and seven oh
three am. At seven thirty one am, the man in
dark clothing is seen on a bicycle midway between Waveny
Park and Jennifer's house. At seven forty am, the Tacoma
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is seen on video parked near Waveny Park. Earlier video
footage showed that it wasn't there at seven oh five am,
so it must have been parked there within the last
thirty minutes. At eight am, Jennifer drops the kids off
at school and is seen arriving back home by eight
o five. Investigators believe that Fotus killed Jennifer during this time.
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He laid in wait in the garage and after she
pulled in and closed the garage door, he attacked.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
And Jennifer's blood had been found in the garage and
in her car.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Right, not in her car, but in the garage and
on the other car that was in the garage, so
there's a range Rover that was in the garage. Her
suburban was found elsewhere. It was found by the park.
The blood was found spattered on the outside of the
range Rover like underneath it and on the door. So
they're not actually sure how Jennifer was killed, but the
blood on the garage floor, including the spatter that ended
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up on the other car, showed that it must have
been a violent attack of some sort. She may not
have been killed right away either because the zip ties
that they found later were likely used to restrain her.
At ten twenty five am, Jennifer's suburban is seen leaving
her house. Her cell phone location showed that her phone
left her house about this time and traveled to Waveny Park.
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Investigators believed that Potus put Jennifer's body in the back
of the suburban along with his bike, and drove her
car to Waveny Park, near where he had left the tacoma.
At eleven twelve am, the tacoma is seen traveling away
from New Canaan at a location about five minutes from
Waveny Park. At twelve twenty two pm, we see the
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tacoma pulling back into Photos' property in Farmington, the same
one that he left early that morning. Between one point
thirty and five thirty PM, there are several comings and
goings to and from the property in Farmington, including both
Michelle and Potus. Between seven and eight pm, then Potus
and Michelle are spotted driving his Raptor pickup truck around
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Hartford dropping items into various garbage bags. So the big
question was what did Photos do with Jennifer's body. There
are two windows of time that detectives believe that he
could have done something with her first, after he drove
Jennifer's suburban with her body in the back to Waveny Park.
He was at the park for probably thirty five to
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forty minutes before the Tacoma was seen driving back toward Farmington.
But the park was searched pretty thoroughly, including with canines,
and there were joggers and other people at the park
at that time, so it seems unlikely that Fotus could
have left her body around there. The other window of
time is after he got back to his other property
in Farmington in the afternoon. At two twenty four pm,
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a white jeep Cherokee owned by Potus is seen leaving
the property and returning an hour and a half later.
So he could have done something with Jennifer's body anywhere
within forty five minutes of that property at that time.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
And he's in construction.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yeah, he has a lot of different houses, a lot
of different properties. One intriguing possibility that came up was
a place called the Windsor Rod and Gun Club. It
was a twenty five acre wood area about twenty miles
north of Farmington. The club had been founded by Kent Mawinney.
Do you remember him. He was Fotus's friend and attorney.
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Kent had actually founded the club and secured the land
about twelve to fifteen years earlier, although he had left
the club five or six years ago. On May eighteenth,
six days before Jennifer went missing, Jay Lawler, who was
a member of the Rod and Gun Club, was there
hunting with a friend and they came upon a hole
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in the ground. It was six feet long, two feet
wide and three feet deep. It looked very much like
a shallow grave. At the bottom of the hole was
a blue tarp and two bags of lime. Lawler and
his friend immediately thought it looked like a grave and
that the lime was there to get rid of a body.
But they hadn't heard about any missing people in the area,
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and so they just disturbed the area around the hole
to make it apparent that it was there, so no
one accidentally fell into it, and then they went on
their way. Four days later, Lawler was back on the
property and he saw that the bags of lime had
been removed, and then in June he went back and
saw that the hole had been filled in.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
So this property is just a hunting property. That people
just yeah, and he just left it wide open.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yeah, okay, in August, So he never really connected this
with with Jennifer's disappearance. I mean, he saw the whole
before she disappeared, so he didn't, you know, obviously, make
any connection then and then afterwards, he didn't really think
about it until August when another club member said to him,
did you hear about Kent Mawinney. He's involved in that
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Dulo's case. It was at that point that Lawler put
two and two together. As I mentioned, Mwinni had left
the club five or six years earlier, but coincidentally, or
maybe not coincidentally, Mowinni had reached out to another club
member in March or April asking how he could get
back onto the club's property. The member told him about
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a hidden key to get onto the property, but no
one knows if Mawinni ever used it, and no one
else at the Gun Club had heard from him since.
Lawler reported all this to the police, who then came
and excavated the location where the hole had been, along
with the surrounding area. Again, they used cadaver dogs, but
there was no sign of Jennifer's remains. A review of
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Kent Macwinney's phone records showed that he had been near
the Rod and Gun Club in late March and then
again on May thirty first, one week after Jennifer's disappearance.
Despite all of these efforts from investigators, Jennifer's body still
has not been found to this day.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yeah, it's really so frustrating.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
It is frustrating because you just you know that he
did it, and you know he had to have done
something with her body within a pretty limited amount.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Of time, and so it's just that day, right yea
most likely.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Yeah, So it's just yeah, it's very baffling.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Were streams, ponds, lakes searched?
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Yeah, I think so. I mean they look I'll talk
about more, but they looked at like all the different
properties that he owned, They looked at a property that
Jennifer's mom owned, They looked at yeah, parks. I mean,
they really did a very thorough search of everywhere they
could think of.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
And so there wasn't cement poored that day at a
property or I.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Don't think so. No. Fotis hired well known criminal defense
attorney Norm Pattis to represent him. Pattis came up with
a novel theory to explain Jennifer's disappearance, and I use
the word novel as a clever double meaning, because he
claimed to have a copy of Jennifer's unpublished novel that
she had written several years ago, and Pattis claimed that
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it echoed the plot of Gone Girl. So if you
haven't read Gone Girl or seen the movie, I'm going
to give a spoiler alert before I say anything about it.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
It's a yeah, it's a great book. If you haven't
read it, it is.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
But it's about a woman who fakes her own murder
and leaves behind several false clues implicating her husband. Pattis
said of Jennifer's no, it's not Gone Girl, but it's close.
His implication was clear that maybe Jennifer faked her own
murder and then made it look like Fotus was responsible
for her disappearance. It was a ridiculous theory on its face,
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and Jennifer's friends and families were outraged by Pattis putting
this out there. Friends who had read the draft novel
say that first of all, it was written ten years
before Gone Girl was published, and second, it was not
at all similar to Gone Girl, and didn't match any
of the evidence in her actual disappearance, and third, it
was ludicrous to think that Jennifer would leave her children
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while he was out on bail for the tampering with
evidence and hindering prosecution charges. Fotus gave interviews to Dateline
and other media outlets. While he wouldn't discuss any of
the evidence or specifics about Jennifer's disappearance on advice from
his lawyer, he came across as very soft spoken, sincere,
and concerned. In these appearances. He of course denied any
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stories of violence or abuse in the marriage, and was
very careful to talk about Jennifer in the present tense,
saying he still believed and hoped that she was alive
and would be found. It was an impressive act. Here
are a few short clips that I collected from those interviews.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
There was never, never, never, any violence, any abuse in
any way.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
Jennifer and I didn't even really argue all these years.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
I never wanted Jennifer out of the way. Even if
I could get so custody, I would still not take
it because I wouldn't want my children to have a
relationship with her mother. Because I care about the children
I had my differences with Jennifer, like many people do
when they go through a marriage. It didn't work out
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for us, But that doesn't mean that I wish her
ill in any way.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
She was a great mother. I think she was an
excellent mother, and I hope that she continues to be
an excellent mother.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
You use the present tense.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Yes, do you believe Jennifer is alive?
Speaker 2 (37:58):
I do, against all circumstantial evidence or common understanding.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
And I'd like not to discuss this, but in your
mind for my attorney's advice, So I kind't understand, but
in your mind she's alive. Yes.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
I just want to say, if there's any dateline producers
out there listening, I would love a shot.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
Being a date line host. I know, I know, I
know we're ready for that.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Oh sure you are, sure you are?
Speaker 4 (38:24):
Well?
Speaker 1 (38:25):
We would do it together.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
So that was one of the shirts I wanted to do,
was like Keith and Dennis and Josh and and rich
In Tina, Well, I forgot I always forget the lady's name.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
I don't know. I can't help you there. I'm terrible
at names. I just I just know Keith.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
Yeah, And then I was going to put Ritentina at
the end.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Yeah, what do you think of photuses those short clips
that I play.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
I mean, I know he's a lying sack of garbage,
but he sounded sincere.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
I know he really I have to say, like he
really comes across as super sincere. I also know he's
lying of garbage as well. Even without a body. There
was a lot of evidence pointing toward Photos and also
toward Michelle Traconis and Kent Mowinny for helping him cover
up the crime. On January sixth of twenty twenty, all
three of them were arrested. The charges against Photos were murder,
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felony murder, and kidnapping in the first degree. The charges
against Michelle and Kent were conspiracy to commit murder. Fotus
was back home the same day after coming up with
his six million dollar bond, but now wearing an ankle
bracelet to keep track of him. However, prosecutors learned that
the houses that he had put up for collateral for
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his bond were actually under foreclosure. It turned out that
Fotus's finances were really kind of a mess. He had
borrowed millions to start his business and was always on
the brink of bankruptcy, essentially selling one house to get
cash to build the next one, but never really getting ahead.
And I think the two years of the legal battle
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and the divorce also he was being sued by Jennifer's
mom for two point five million dollars, and he had
multiple lines of credit open with a total balance of
four point five million dollars, not to mention the many
mortgages on his properties. In total, his debt exposure was
around seven million dollars, and he was failing to even
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make the minimal interest payments on that debt. It's also
worth noting that the kids had trust funds established in
their name from Jennifer's parents, which were worth more than
two million dollars. If Jennifer were to disappear and Fotus
were to get custody of the children, he would suddenly
have access to that money. Because of the fact that
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his bond had been put up using collateral that was
under foreclosure, prosecutors made a motion to revoke his bond.
On the morning of January twenty eighth, Fotus was notified
that he needed to show up for a hearing that afternoon.
He likely realized that this would be his last day
of freedom, at least until the trial, if not forever.
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At ten thirty eight, he headed into his garage and
attached a hose from the exhaust of his suburban and
ran it back through the window of the car and
started the engine. When he didn't show up for the hearing,
police quickly checked the location of his ankle bracelet and
saw that he hadn't left home. They rushed out to
find him in the garage inside the running car. They
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pulled him out onto the driveway and performed CPR, which
was captured on video by news helicopters overhead.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
They were very dramatic.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Yeah, the footage is actually really dramatic. They were eventually
able to get a pulse, and they then airlifted him
to a hospital in New York City, where he was
placed in a hyperbaric chamber to try and reverse the
effects of the CO two poisoning. It didn't work, though.
He was on life support for another two days, during
which time the kids, who hadn't seen him in months
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because of a court order, were allowed to come and
say their goodbyes.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Oh my goodness, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
He died on January thirtieth, twenty twenty at fifty two
years old.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
Holy wow. I didn't didn't see that coming.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
I think he just realized that he was probably never
going to be free again. I think he knew that
it was, you know, it was over for him.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
Well was there enough evidence?
Speaker 5 (42:11):
Though?
Speaker 2 (42:12):
I mean, there was so much evidence of you know,
there wasn't a body, but there was so much video
of him. I mean it was really not hard at
all to trace and and you know, all the items
that he threw out that had his DNA on it
along with Jennifer's you know, blood and DNA. So I
think it was pretty overwhelming.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
I just think of recent cases like Barry more Few. Yeah,
I guess there wasn't really blood evidence there.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Yeah, I think in this case there was enough circumstantial
evidence that he would have been convicted.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
Once upon a time, if you didn't have a body,
you weren't able to convict.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Fotus did leave a suicide note proclaiming his innocence. He wrote, quote,
if you are reading this, I am no more. I
refused to spend even an hour in jail for something
I had nothing all caps to do with. Enough is
enough If it takes my head to end this, so
be it. In the note, he also claimed that Kent, Mawinny,
and Michelle Traconis also had nothing to do with Jennifer's disappearance,
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which was kind of an odd thing to say. If
he was truly innocent, how would he know if Michelle
and Kent were also innocent. He also wrote, quote, please
let my children know that I love them. I would
do anything to be with them, but unfortunately we all
have our limits.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Okay, so that I'm going to have to take issue
with that. Like, you're a dad, and even if you
think you're going to jail, you do everything you can
to stay out of jail to be there for your
kids because they've already lost their mom.
Speaker 4 (43:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
Absolutely so. Fotus as suicide not only ensured that he
would never face trial for what he did to Jennifer,
it also left his five children without a parent, and
on top of that, it screwed over his supposed friends
Michelle and Kent, because I'm sure prosecutors would have pressured
them to flip on Photus in exchange for some type
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of leniency. I would think at least one of them
would have taken some type of offer and maybe even
led them to Jennifer's body, but now all that was
off the table. There were some rumors in late twenty
twenty that Kent mawinnie may have turned on Michelle. Michelle's
attorney referred to him as a jailhouse informant, and we're
trying to get information about what he might have said
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to the police, but it's unclear what, if anything Mwinni
has shared. Remember, mwinnie is a lawyer, albeit not a
criminal attorney, but he knows how the game is played,
so I wouldn't be surprised if he cuts some sort
of a deal. There has been some indication from prosecutors
that he will testify against Michelle Traconis at her trial.
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Kent mawinney was out on bond but under house arrest
until May of twenty twenty three, when a judge granted
a motion to lift the house arrest, but he's still
required to wear an ankle monitor. Just recently, Mwinni's attorney
asked that his ankle monitor be removed because it causes
him embarrassment and prevents him from wearing ice skates, which
I understand is quite a hardship. But the judge these
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people to judge did not see it that way and
denied the motion. This was just a couple of weeks ago. Actually,
Michelle Traconis has maintained her innocence. She released a statement
in May of twenty twenty saying that she knows nothing
of Jennifer's whereabouts. While she professes sympathy for the Dulo's children,
the statement quickly turns to how unfairly she's been treated.
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She also said, quote, whether or not Fotus Dulos was
capable of doing the things the police and prosecutors accused
him of doing, I do not know, but based on
what I've learned in the last year, I think it
was a mistake to have trusted him unquote. Michelle's trial
is scheduled to start on January eighth of twenty twenty
four in Stamford, Connecticut. Jury selection is actually already complete,
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so it sounds like, yeah, they did I thought they
usually did jury selection right before the trial, but they
actually just finished it, maybe a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
It seems really odd because then you know, you're curious,
you're a human, Yeah, you're probably going to do something.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
They would probably do some googling.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
Yeah, I'm sure they're told not to, but yeah, that
would be kind of human nature, wouldn't it. So it
sounds like the trial is likely to go forward without
further delay. The judge has said that the trial may
last until March first. I'll be sure and provide updates
once it begins. She's currently free on bond as she
awaits trial.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
So the evidence against Michelle is like, there's video of
her in the Tacoma yeah, with fhotus and composing of
the trash.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Yeah, And there's also DNA of hers on some of
the trash bags. It's not on like the items that
had Jennifer's blood on them, but it is on the
trash bags themselves.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
So so I guess she could potentially say, oh, I
was just helping throw away the trash.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Yeah, I think so it's possible. I don't know what
other evidence they have against her other than you know,
she lied. She clearly lied in the police interviews that
she did. You know, they caught her in those lies.
They know, they know for a fact that she was
not being honest with them during those interviews. So they
definitely have that against her as well. But yeah, I'm
not sure, like if they've you know the case against
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her for conspiracy to commit murder if that's going to
be strong enough, So I'll be I'll be really curious
to see what happens with that trial.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
Yeah, I'll definitely keep our eyes open.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
I don't believe that Kent mawinney has a trial date
set yet, and I kind of wonder if prosecutors are
waiting to see whether he follows through and testifying against Traconis,
and maybe some type of a deal is in the
works pending that testimony him. I mean, really, I haven't
read a lot of Chel right, Yeah. I think he
helped kind of provide an alibi for Fotus. I didn't
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read a lot about his questioning of the police, but
I think that he originally may have told them that
he met with Fotus that morning to try to give
him an alibi. So I think he may have lied
for Fotus. And then there's the whole thing with the
rod and gun club, which didn't lead anywhere, but it's
still very.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
Suspicious but not necessarily Yeah evidence.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
Yeah, exactly what was he charged with? Conspiracy murder?
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (48:01):
So yeah, again, I don't know what when he is
going to go on trial, If ever he met. Like
I said, my speculation is that he had some kind
of a plea agreement to maybe help in the case
against Michelle. But again, I'll provide updates as we learn
more about that. We may never know exactly what happened
to Jennifer Farber Dulos. It's clear that Fords killed her,
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but we don't know exactly how. The fact that he
had brought zip ties, a rain poncho, gloves, and other
items tell us that he planned to restrain her before
killing her, which is horrible to think about. I can
only imagine the terror that Jennifer felt in her last moments.
The fact that there was a large amount of blood
in the garage and that Fotus made an attempt to
clean it up with a bunch of paper towels tells
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me that things didn't go according to plan. I'm sure
he didn't intend to leave that much physical evidence at
the scene. Investigators have searched extensively for Jennifer's body, as
we've talked about it. They searched the pond where Fotus
taught the kids how to water ski. They searched several
properties owned by Potus's company. They searched the property of
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a home that Jennifer's mom owned near New Canaan. They've
used cadaver dogs and also dogs trained to sniff out electronics,
which I didn't even know was a thing because Jennifer's
phone has also never been recovered. They shut down an
incineration plant in Hartford. Photus was not the smartest criminal
in the world, given all the evidence they left behind,
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but the fact that he was somehow able to disappear
Jennifer's body and the relatively short window of time that
he had is baffling. As we've talked about already. But
wherever you are, Jennifer, I hope that you're able to
rest in peace.
Speaker 3 (49:40):
Oh for sure. That's heartbreaking.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
You know how I feel about these cases when these
kids are left, Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
No closure, It's just yeah, it's incredibly sad. Recently, Jennifer's
family issued a statement quote, we continue to grieve the
loss of her loving devotion to her children and family,
her friendship, courage, brilliance, and singular ability to touch the
lives of the people she encountered. The statement went on
to say that quote intimate partner violence cuts across gender, economic,
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and racial, ethnic lines and it disproportionately affects women of
color and asks the public to help change the disparity
by donating to the Black and Missing Foundation. Jennifer's five children,
who at this point range in age from seventeen to thirteen,
have been living with Jennifer's mom, Gloria, who is now
eighty eight years old.
Speaker 3 (50:29):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
I'm sure they have a privileged upbringing, given Gloria's wealth,
but they've been deprived of a mother who loved them
more than anything in the world. And I really hope
that they're doing okay. And that is all I have
on the story of Jennifer Farber Dulos.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
Oh, that was really that's very sad. The kids, so
it was their extended family. Do they see his family
at all?
Speaker 2 (50:54):
I do not know. I suspect that they don't, though
I think a lot of his extended family are overseas
in Greece anyway, so I'm just guessing that there's probably
not a lot of warm relations there between Jennifer's mom
and his family, but I don't know for sure.
Speaker 1 (51:10):
Well, I know you're not feeling well today, so you
did a spectacular job, So thanks for hanging in there
for us. And a lot of listeners always say that
we or you have soothing voices. And I was feeling
today because I almost downed are supposedly for a second there.
I have to be careful because I always I like
to fall asleep to dateline. Yeah, usually, but I was
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getting a little sleepy there. But heartbreaking case, yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
And I again, I will update everyone when Michelle Traconis
goes to trial and if there are any other developments,
because the case is still not resolved yet.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
Where do you think her body could have been taken?
Speaker 2 (51:49):
I really, I mean I know, I wish, I wish
I did know, but yeah, I mean it's got to
be somewhere within like a forty five minute you know
radius of Farrington, where Photus's house was, But that leaves
a lot of space. I mean there's a lot of
open areas in that part of Connecticut. So really hard
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to say.
Speaker 3 (52:10):
Just heartbreaking and baffling.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
And yeah, you just wish that there could be some
closure there, that it would at least help to find
her body and have at least that much closure. But
you know, there will never be real justice in this
case because you know, Photus is not there to stand trial. Either,
so that's too bad.
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Hi, I'm Tina and I'm Rich. Welcome to Love Mary Kill.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Just the facts.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Today.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
The case I'm going to cover is a request from
our listener, Kelly. Thank you Kelly for Kelly giving us
this request. Interesting case. It is the story of Jennifer
and Photus Doulos Fotus Fotus fotis. So I'm going to
talk through this story, but just a adds up. I
gave you some.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Lines to you, kid, and I have not looked them over.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
In true Tina.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Fashion, Yeah, you are going to be the voice of
Jennifer in today's case. In the peaceful town of New Canaan, Connecticut, Jennifer, there,
we almost lived in Connecticut, not New Canaan.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Okay, where is New Canaan.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
New Canaan is in the very far southwest corner of Connecticut.
We were going to live in Danbury, Connecticut, which is
a big airfield.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
There was a several towns we looked at. Yeah, that
was many, many, many moons ago.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
It was all right, let me start over again in
the peaceful town of New Canaan, Connecticut. Jennifer Dulos dropped
off her five kids at school on May twenty fourth,
twenty nineteen, just like any other day, but then she
vanished without a trace. Investigators quickly turned their attention to
Jennifer's estranged husband, Fotus Dulos. Their messy divorce had been
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dragging on for almost two years, and Jennifer had said
that she was afraid of Fotus. But was he responsible
for her disappearance and if so, what happened and where
was she? Jennifer Farber was born in nineteen sixty eight
and grew up in New York City near Greenwich Village
off of Fifth Avenue. Her dad, Hilliard Farber, was a
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highly successful banker. Her mom, Gloria, was a well known
philanthropist who got involved in causes benefiting children, with a
focus on education. The family was certainly wealthy. Jennifer's uncle,
Gloria's brother, was married to Liz Claiborne, and together they
founded the Woman's Clothing Company that would become a billion
dollar business. Jennifer went to the prestigious Brown University, where
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she first met Fotus Dulos, a Greek immigrant who she
would eventually marry. The two met during Jennifer's first week
at school, but she didn't see him much after that.
It would be seventeen years later that they would reconnect
and start dating. Jennifer graduated from Brown in nineteen ninety,
and then she went to New York University's Tish School
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of Arts to pursue her Master of Fine Arts in writing.
Friends say she found her voice during the MFA program,
and for the next decade she wrote with passion and focus.
According to Carrie Luft, one of Jennifer's closest friends. During
that time, Jennifer wrote four full length plays, and she
also completed a first draft of a novel. Jennifer, Carrie,
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and some other friends also founded a theater group called
the Playwrights Collective.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Were any of Jennifer's plays produced, You.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Know, I wasn't able to find any information about any
of them. I think the theater company that they formed
probably did some of them, but I was not really
able to find a whole lot of information about the
plays other than what I'm going to tell you next,
which is that Her writing during this period has been
described as surreal comedy mixed with memoir elements. One play,
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called The Red Door, is about a young woman who
is about to get married and is visited by men
from her past, guys that she's dated, wanted to date,
or fantasized about Carrie loved her friends said quote at core,
almost all Jennifer's work explores the need to be loved
and known as one's true self. Another friend and Jennifer's
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literary agent, Elizabeth Schenkman, said about Jennifer during that period
of her life, quote, Jennifer was a vibrant presence on
the New York literary scene in the late nineteen nineties.
She was observant and often riley funny about human behavior
and social interactions, and she was always generous and supportive
towards others other writers in her midst In two thousand
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and three, now thirty five year old Jennifer ran into
Potus Doulos at the airport, who she remembered from their
days at Brown University. Fotis was born in Istanbul, Turkey,
the youngest of four kids. Born into a middle class
Greek family, The family moved to Greece while Fotis was
in his teens and then, citing a desire to get
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exposure to society and culture beyond his upbringing, he decided
to attend college in the US at Brown University, where
he first met Jennifer. By the time the two met again,
he had finished his MBA at Columbia Business School and
was working as a management consultant at cap Gemini.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
You said they met in college initially at Brown.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
They didn't date.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Then, No.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I think they just met briefly during her freshman year.
But I don't even know if they really hung out much.
The articles that I read said that they they met,
but they didn't really. You see each of demostrations, Yeah, exactly.
While Fotus had grown up middle class, he developed a
taste for the finer things in life once he started
earning good money as a consultant. He was smart, well spoken,
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and athletic. He's been described by friends and family as
having endless energy and a positive outlook on life. He
loved to ski, both snow skiing and water skiing. Jennifer
was also athletic, playing squash competitively during high school and
also being a runner. At the time they met again
in two thousand and three, Potus was in the process
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of separating from his first wife. He and Jennifer were
both ready for commitment, and Fotus made it clear upfront
that he wanted a big family and he wanted it.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Soon, so he didn't have children with his first wife, No.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
He did not. The couple got married in two thousand
and four, and they moved to Connecticut, where Potus started
a luxury home building business called The Four Group. To
fund the business, Potus borrowed millions of dollars from Jennifer's father, Hilliard,
although Fotus would later claimed that it was a gift,
not alone. Jennifer had some difficulty getting pregnant, but with
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the help of fertility treatment, she got pregnant and gave
birth to twin boys in two thousand and six, Petrose
and Theodore. Another set of twins came along in two
thousand and eight, this time a boy named Constantine and
a girl named Christianne. Another daughter, Cleopatra Noel or Clea Noel,
as Jennifer called her, was born in twenty ten to
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complete the family. With the growing family, Jennifer put her
writing on the back burner. She kept the kids busy
with activities, art classes, music, horse riding, swimming, and tennis.
Potus's business seemed to be going well, and he also
got the kids involved in water skiing, which was almost
an obsession for him. The oldest set of twins were
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competing at the highest levels of international water skiing competitions
by the time they were nine years old. The family
moved frequently because Potus would move them into whatever house
he was building until it sold, and then he would
move them into the next house. It was stressful constantly
moving from one home to another. Many of these houses
were over ten thousand square feet, and they often didn't
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have time to fully furnish them or settle in before
moving on to the next one, so they would be
living in these huge, luxurious homes with cardboard boxes all around.
Jennifer did start writing again after Cleo Noel was born,
this time in the form of blogging about family life.
She wrote a blog that was published on patch dot
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com and another blog on her own site called and
Five Make Seven, which was subtitled a mother of five
in Connecticut writes to her children. As a way of
capturing this moment in time, I'm going to have you
read a short excerpt of a post that she wrote
early on about getting back into writing and putting her
work out there.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
It's both exciting and terrifying to spread the word about
the blog. I have been so utterly private for so
long now and it has served me well some ways.
Now that I am writing again about my most inner thoughts,
the inside of her home, the inside of my life,
really such a total turnaround. What am I doing botus?
(08:11):
My husband ask me this for someone who so protects
her privacy, this makes no sense. I guess in some
ways I choose what I write, but I share. I
decide what I put out there, what's meaningful to me
to say each day. I know some of what he
is saying is right, But the urge to keep on
going is here and is starting to snowball, and the
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sense the more I write, the more I desire to
write and to post and to share and to see
what this all evolves into. It's a work in progress.
Who knows where it'll go. The exciting thing is not knowing. So,
just from reading that, like, is he controlling?
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I think he may have been a little bit controlling.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
As time went on, their marriage began to deteriorate and
they started to fight more frequently. In January of twenty twelve,
Jennifer wrote a blog about her New Year's resolutions, one
of which was about Fotus.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
She wrote, why do I always feel like a failure
along these lines. I'm a bit overwhelmed and outstretched, and
it's him whom I short changed first.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
She also wrote in vague terms about the conflicts between them.
In one blog, she.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Wrote, don't be number two to anybody. That's what my
father always told me. It's hard for girls, now women, wives, mothers.
It's hard to know this for.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Real, And in another she wrote, I wish I.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Were a stronger person. That confrontation did not both scare
and appall me. I just need quiet, peace and calm.
They're so very lucky monks, they're the same gender. They
don't have to worry about misunderstandings that could arise in
opposite sex relationships.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Monks are lucky.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I know I'm respected about that they take. But that's
that's an odd It's a.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Odd odd analogy to make, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I think so.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Over time, Potus spent more time away from home, going
on what he said were water skiing trips for as
many as ten days a month. He wanted to live
the lifestyle of the rich and famous, not stay home
raising five kids with an introspective wife who liked to
read and write. Potus got more aggressive over time as well.
One time he got into a physical fight with a
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parking lot attendant at Jennifer's parents' apartment building. He was
also very demanding with the kids and their water skiing training.
He kept them on a strict training regimen, some days,
working them from eight am to seven pm. In her
later divorce filing, Jennifer said, the kids.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Are physically and emotionally exhausted and have begged me to
do something about it. We are all terrified to disobey
my husband.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Jennifer's father passed away in twenty seven seventeen, and in
March of that year, she confronted photos about his increasing
time away from home. He confessed that he was having
an affair. Fotus met Michelle Traconis during a trip to
Miami with the children at the water skiing club where
they were members. Michelle was forty four, a single mother
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of one daughter. She was Venezuelan and seemed to be
more Photus type. She worked in marketing and pr for
a high end resort. She was athletic rode horses, reported
for ESPN in South America on snow skiing, and was
a competitive water skier. She once said that her goal
was to rank in the top fifty female water skiers worldwide.
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The affair with Fotus wasn't just a fling. He had
fallen very much in love with her, and he told
Jennifer that he was no longer in love with her,
But he also wasn't ready for Jennifer to leave him
with the children. At one point, he even suggested to
Jennifer that maybe Michelle could move into their house. They
could all live together in peace and harmony, and Jennifer
and Michelle I wouldn't really even have to see each other.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
It's a really good idea.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
It was a huge house, after all.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Goodness.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah, Jennifer was not on board with that plan. Jennifer stayed,
nor would.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
I don't get any big ideas in your heads.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Most wives would not be on board with that. Jennifer
stayed with Fotus for a few months after she found
out about the affair, but it was pretty much the
last straw for her. Shortly after learning about the affair,
she also discovered that Fotus had bought a gun. Fotus
and Jennifer had agreed early on in the marriage that
there would be no guns in the house while they
were raising their children. But Fotis bought a handgun without
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telling her and showed it to at least one of
the kids, who then told their mom about it. On
June nineteenth, twenty seventeen, Jennifer packed up the kids and
some of her things and left without telling Fotus. When
he came home to find them gone, he called nine
to one.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
One of your emergency.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
I am worried about my wife and kids and I
haven't I'll be able to get in special kids.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
That's just a short clip of the nine one one
call that Jennifer took the kids to a house that
she had rented in New Canaan, Connecticut, which was about
seventy miles from their home in Farmington, Connecticut, and the
next day Fotus was served with divorce papers. It would
be an ugly and messy process that dragged on for
almost two years, with more than three hundred motions filed
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by both parties, and was still not finalized by the
time of Jennifer's disappearance. Jennifer's filings showed just how afraid
she was of Potus. In one affidavit, she wrote.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
I am terrified for my family's safety, especially since discovering
the gun since my husband has a history of controlling,
volatile and delusional behavior.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Fotus claimed that he had discussed with Jennifer the possibility
of purchasing a gun, and then he turned it over
to the Farmington police.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
She also wrote, I am afraid of my husband. I
know that filing for divorce and filing this motion will
enrage him. I know he will retaliate by trying to
harm me in some way. I am afraid for my
safety and the physical and emotional wellbeing of our minor children.
So that blog it kept really personal.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
This is not from her blog. This is from her
divorce filing. Oh I'm sorry, Yeah, no, that would have
been something, but no, these are all These more recent
quotes are from the different filings that she made during
the divorce. She also claimed in one of those filings
that he had threatened to take the children away to
Greece and that she would never find them. In another motion,
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she claimed that Fotus almost hit her with his Chevy
Suburban in her driveway when he was coming to pick
up the children for a visit, accelerating and then swerving
at the last moment. She said that the children had
witnessed this incident, she requested and was eventually granted full
custody of the children while the divorce proceedings were going on,
with a judge concluded voting that Photus had pressured the
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kids to lie in order to help his cause and
that his actions constituted emotional abuse. Fotus denied all these
allegations and responded with his own filings, claiming that Jennifer
was not fit to be a single parent of the
five children and that she was taking medication for mental
health issues. He said that she had lost one of
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the children on more than one occasion, including during a
trip to London. He also claimed that she had tried
to turn the kids against him by telling them things
like your dad is a psychopath and your dad does
not care about you. Jennifer's mother also sued Fotus for
repayment of the two point five million dollars in loans
that she and Hilliard had given him to start his business.
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As I mentioned earlier, Potus claimed that the startup money
money had been a gift, not alone. Fotus was frustrated
by all of his losses in court, one time asking
a judge, why do I always get the raw end?
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Of the stick.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
With that, let's take a quick break. We'll be right back.
So this all brings us to Friday, May twenty fourth
of twenty nineteen. Just before eight am, Jennifer made the
short three minute drive to drop the kids off at
school in her Chevy Suburban. She was seen on multiple
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cameras returning home by eight oh five, but she has
not been seen since. When she didn't show up for
some appointments in the city that day, her friends became
concerned and called to report her missing. That evening, around
seven pm, officers went to Jennifer's rental home and they
did an initial search. Her suburban was not in the garage,
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but officers saw what looked like blood on the floor
of the garage and also what appeared to be blood
spatter on the side of Jennifer's other car, a twenty
fourteen Range Rover, that was parked in the middle of
the three car garage. Detectives noted that it appeared that
someone had made an attempt to wipe up the blood
before giving up. Around the same time detectives arrived at
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jennifer house, her abandoned suburban was found parked three and
a half miles away on the side of Lapham Road,
which bordered Waveny Park. Waveny Park is a park in
New Canaan with a mansion at its center, surrounded by
three hundred acres of fields, ponds, and trails. They immediately
launched a full scale search of the park, using helicopters
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and canine teams. There were no security cameras in the park,
but they asked joggers and other visitors if they had
seen Jennifer, but there was no sign of her anywhere.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I remember you saying earlier on she was a runner.
Is she's still running? And could she have?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Yeah? I believe she was still running even up until
her disappearance.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
So could she have been out for a run.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
And I mean, it's possible. I'm sure it's one of
the things they considered at first, but you know, it
just seemed I think right away it was suspicious, right
the fact that she did not show up for some appointments,
which was unlike her, and then her car just to
be found abandoned like that was very suspicious. The next day,
Fotus agreed to come into the New Canaan Police Department
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to talk to the police. He showed up around two
forty five in the afternoon, which was three hours later
than the time that he and detectives had agreed on.
Within minutes of his arrival, his lawyer came in and
told investigators that Photus would not be providing an interview
and that he and his client would be leaving. Detectives
told Photos that they were surprised that he was not
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going to assist in the search for Jennifer. During this discussion,
Photos had his phone out and one of the detectives
asked if he could see it. Fotus handed it over
without hesitation. The detective asked for the passcode to unlock it,
and Potus gave it to him zero zero zero zero,
which is not a very secure pass code, As the detective,
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you're telling people that. As the detective put the phone
in airplane mode, Fotus's lawyer asked what he was doing.
The detective said he was securing the phone and its
data because he believed it contained evidence related to Jennifer's disappearance,
and that they would be seeking a search warrant. Fotus's
lawyer said that they had no grounds to seize the
cell phone, but then he and Fotus left and the
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police were able to get the search warrant authorizing them
to go through the phone's contents that evening. The first
thing that jumped out to them was that Photus's phone
data showed that he had spent an hour or so
around Albany Avenue in Hartford, Connecticut, on the evening of
the twenty fourth, around the seven pm hour. Hertford is
not far from Potus's home in Farmington, about ten miles away,
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and Albany Avenue is a fairly major street that runs
through Hartford. I'm not sure why they happened to find
that location suspicious, but they headed up there and they
decided to canvass the area. What the police had going
for them, and what Fotus probably didn't realize, is that
there are some seven hundred cameras all around the city
of Hertford. It's one of the most sophisticated surveillance systems
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of any city in the US, and it's actually been
a source of controversy with sil rights or civil liberties
groups raising privacy concerns. As they went through the footage
for the evening of May twenty fourth, they identified a
Ford Raptor pickup truck that was registered to Potus's Company
four group. Between seven thirty and seven fifty pm, they
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saw the pickup truck drive along Albany Avenue, stopping several times,
and each time it would stop, they saw the driver
get out and put some black garbage bags into various
various trash receptacles. They identified the driver as Photus and
also saw that there was a passenger in the truck
as well, which appeared to be Fotus's girlfriend, Michelle Treconis.
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Investigators then went around to the garbage bins and also
searched the trash facility that some of the bins had
been emptied and sent to, and they were able to
recover several black garbage bags that contained clothing and undergarments
that had been cut, plastic zip ties, and a bunch
of household items like sponges, paper towels, gloves, a mop, handled,
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duct tape, and ponchos.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Oh boy, we've been there before.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yes, many of the items had what appeared to be
blood on them. Testing would eventually show a DNA match
to Jennifer Dulos on all of these items. Additionally, there
was a match to Fotus's DNA on a couple of items,
a match to his fingerprint on a couple of others,
and a DNA match to Michelle Traconis on a couple
of the black plastic garbage bags. They also found Potus' DNA,
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along with some of Jennifer's blood, on the faucet in
the kitchen of her home. Another piece of footage showed
Fotus putting a large, white colored item down a storm
drain on Albany Avenue. Police were able to retrieve this
as well. It turned out to be a large FedEx envelope.
Inside were two Connecticut license plates. The plate number appeared
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to be five T six WBU, but as they looked closer,
they saw that blue tape had been used to alter
the number. The real number was five to one six
w DJ. And who do you think that plate was
registered to?
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Fotus?
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Yes, okay, I have to be honest. I made you
rewy because I got it wrong the first time.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
That's okay, that's okay.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
It was your weak storytelling caused me to get it wrong.
Oh you're doing a great job.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Thank you. It was a canceled registration, but it had
belonged to photos.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
I have a question, okay.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
So you said there's blood, and there's like paper towels
and things that were used to clean up the scene.
Was there anything indicating that she was dead though, No,
they can not. On a Walsh case, like some of
her tissue was found and that led people to determine
that she was No.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
I think it was just the quantity of blood that
they found. It seemed like it was probably quite a
bit like in the garage, but then also on all
these items that they found, so it yeah, I don't
think there was anything else, but it just seemed like
there was enough there that it was pretty likely that
she was dead.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
I'm always hopeful, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Yeah, it did appear that Jennifer was most likely dead,
and that Photus was responsible, and that Michelle was probably
involved at least in helping to dispose of the evidence
of what.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
I don't ever.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
I never understand these girlfriends who are just like, yeah,
you know, your wife was a paint of the butt,
it's okay that you killed her, and yeah, I just
don't understand that.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
I do not understand it either. The search for Jennifer
was still ongoing, but investigators decided to arrest Fotus and
Michelle not on murder charges yet, but on charges of
tampering with evidence and hindering prosecution. The arresta warrants were
issued and executed on June first, eight days after Jennifer's disappearance.
Their goal was to get Potus and Michelle in custody
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so that they could ask questions and hopefully get them
to talk, but Fotus wouldn't cooperate at all. He lawyered
up and didn't say a word. In her first interview
on June second, Michelle gave investigators her account of the
day of Jennifer's disappearance. She said that she and Fotus
had won looking up at their house in Farmington on
the twenty fourth. At six forty am, she and Fotus
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showered and had sex, and then she made breakfast for
her daughter and drove her to school. She initially said
that she was with Fotus all morning, but when pressed,
said that maybe it wasn't the entire morning, but she
said he was definitely with her between six forty and
eight fifteen, which would have given him an alibi during
the time that Jennifer disappeared. She also claimed that she
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saw Photus with Kent Mawinney, who was Fotus's friend and
attorney at eight fifteen am in the four Group office,
which was above the garage of their residence. She did
admit to being with Fotus during his drive along Albany
Avenue that evening. She said that he had invited her
to go to Starbucks and she had no idea why
he kept stopping and throwing things in garbage bins. The
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next day, June third, investigators executed a search warrant at
Potus and Michelle's home, and they found what came to
be known as the Alibi Script. It was two pages
of handwritten notes that laid out in roughly one hour
increments Potuses and Michelle's activities on the twenty fourth and
the twenty fifth. The writing was in two different handwritings,
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later confirmed to be Fotuses and Michelle's, and what do
you know, it pretty much mapped verbatim to the story
that Michelle told investigators the day before. When they confronted
Michelle with the Albi Scripts, she claimed that Fotus's attorney
told them they should write out everything they did those days.
But Michelle's story would diverge from the Alibi Script in
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subsequent interviews as investigators confronted her with evidence that Fotus
was seen in other places early the morning of the
twenty fourth. In her second interview, she admitted, after some
tears and attempts to change the subject, that she didn't
actually see Fotus that day until between one and two pm.
In her third interview, she admitted that Fotus wasn't at
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home when she woke up at six forty am, they
hadn't showered together or had sex, and that she didn't
see him until at least noon. She also said that
she didn't actually see Photus at the four Group office
meeting with Kent Mawinni, as she had claimed. She now
said that she dropped by the fore Group office, which
again was at their house above the garage, and she
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saw Mawinni by himself, but that Photus's cell phone was
on the table, so she assumed that he was either
there or somewhere at home. There were several other inconsistencies
in Michelle's stories across the three different interviews that she
did with the police during these days. While they were
conducting interviews with Michelle and still searching for Jennifer, investigators
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uncovered several other pieces of video evidence that helped flesh
out Potus's movements on the day in question. First, they
saw him very early in the morning of the twenty fourth,
at five thirty five am, leaving one of his other
properties in Farmington, about two miles from his home. He
was driving a red Tacoma pickup truck. The truck didn't
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belong to photos. It was actually one of his employees,
who said that he normally left his pickup truck at
Potus's home during the week and drove one of the
company cars. They spotted the red Tacoma on video in
several locations between Farmington and New Canaan, including school bus
video from that morning that showed the Tacoma parked about
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three miles from Jennifer's house and only about one hundred
feet from where Jennifer's abandoned car was eventually found. This
led investigators to wonder if Fotus parked there and maybe
jogged to her home. But then an eagle eyed detective
noticed in one of the pieces of video footage that
it looked like that there was a bike tire sticking
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up out of the back of the pickup, So they
then reviewed any video footage they could find from houses
in between where the Tacoma was parked and Jennifer's house,
and sure enough they saw a guy in dark clothing
wearing a black hoodie with the hood pulled up to
obscure the rider's face, riding a bike toward Jennifer's house
at seventh Just to note, the temperature in New Canaan
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that morning was in the mid sixties, so if you
were biking, you probably wouldn't be bundled up with a
hoodie on, you know, pulled over your head. So I've
given you a lot of details about the video footage,
but let me step back and just run through the
timeline of everything we know for sure. On May twenty fourth,
five thirty five am, Photus leaves one of his properties
in Farmington driving his employees red Tacoma pickup truck. Now,
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this is about ninety minutes from New Canaan, where Jennifer lived.
The truck is spotted on video at locations between Farmington
and New Canaan at six thirty six and seven oh
three am. At seven thirty one am, the man in
dark clothing is seen on a bicycle midway between Waveny
Park and Jennifer's house. At seven forty am, the Tacoma
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is seen on video parked near Waveny Park. Earlier video
footage showed that it wasn't there at seven oh five am,
so it must have been parked there within the last
thirty minutes. At eight am, Jennifer drops the kids off
at school and is seen arriving back home by eight
o five. Investigators believe that Fotus killed Jennifer during this time.
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He laid in wait in the garage and after she
pulled in and closed the garage door, he attacked.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
And Jennifer's blood had been found in the garage and
in her car.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Right, not in her car, but in the garage and
on the other car that was in the garage, so
there's a range Rover that was in the garage. Her
suburban was found elsewhere. It was found by the park.
The blood was found spattered on the outside of the
range Rover like underneath it and on the door. So
they're not actually sure how Jennifer was killed, but the
blood on the garage floor, including the spatter that ended
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up on the other car, showed that it must have
been a violent attack of some sort. She may not
have been killed right away either because the zip ties
that they found later were likely used to restrain her.
At ten twenty five am, Jennifer's suburban is seen leaving
her house. Her cell phone location showed that her phone
left her house about this time and traveled to Waveny Park.
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Investigators believed that Potus put Jennifer's body in the back
of the suburban along with his bike, and drove her
car to Waveny Park, near where he had left the tacoma.
At eleven twelve am, the tacoma is seen traveling away
from New Canaan at a location about five minutes from
Waveny Park. At twelve twenty two pm, we see the
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tacoma pulling back into Photos' property in Farmington, the same
one that he left early that morning. Between one point
thirty and five thirty PM, there are several comings and
goings to and from the property in Farmington, including both
Michelle and Potus. Between seven and eight pm, then Potus
and Michelle are spotted driving his Raptor pickup truck around
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Hartford dropping items into various garbage bags. So the big
question was what did Photos do with Jennifer's body. There
are two windows of time that detectives believe that he
could have done something with her first, after he drove
Jennifer's suburban with her body in the back to Waveny Park.
He was at the park for probably thirty five to
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forty minutes before the Tacoma was seen driving back toward Farmington.
But the park was searched pretty thoroughly, including with canines,
and there were joggers and other people at the park
at that time, so it seems unlikely that Fotus could
have left her body around there. The other window of
time is after he got back to his other property
in Farmington in the afternoon. At two twenty four pm,
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a white jeep Cherokee owned by Potus is seen leaving
the property and returning an hour and a half later.
So he could have done something with Jennifer's body anywhere
within forty five minutes of that property at that time.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
And he's in construction.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yeah, he has a lot of different houses, a lot
of different properties. One intriguing possibility that came up was
a place called the Windsor Rod and Gun Club. It
was a twenty five acre wood area about twenty miles
north of Farmington. The club had been founded by Kent Mawinney.
Do you remember him. He was Fotus's friend and attorney.
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Kent had actually founded the club and secured the land
about twelve to fifteen years earlier, although he had left
the club five or six years ago. On May eighteenth,
six days before Jennifer went missing, Jay Lawler, who was
a member of the Rod and Gun Club, was there
hunting with a friend and they came upon a hole
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in the ground. It was six feet long, two feet
wide and three feet deep. It looked very much like
a shallow grave. At the bottom of the hole was
a blue tarp and two bags of lime. Lawler and
his friend immediately thought it looked like a grave and
that the lime was there to get rid of a body.
But they hadn't heard about any missing people in the area,
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and so they just disturbed the area around the hole
to make it apparent that it was there, so no
one accidentally fell into it, and then they went on
their way. Four days later, Lawler was back on the
property and he saw that the bags of lime had
been removed, and then in June he went back and
saw that the hole had been filled in.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
So this property is just a hunting property. That people
just yeah, and he just left it wide open.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yeah, okay, in August, So he never really connected this
with with Jennifer's disappearance. I mean, he saw the whole
before she disappeared, so he didn't, you know, obviously, make
any connection then and then afterwards, he didn't really think
about it until August when another club member said to him,
did you hear about Kent Mawinney. He's involved in that
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Dulo's case. It was at that point that Lawler put
two and two together. As I mentioned, Mwinni had left
the club five or six years earlier, but coincidentally, or
maybe not coincidentally, Mowinni had reached out to another club
member in March or April asking how he could get
back onto the club's property. The member told him about
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a hidden key to get onto the property, but no
one knows if Mawinni ever used it, and no one
else at the Gun Club had heard from him since.
Lawler reported all this to the police, who then came
and excavated the location where the hole had been, along
with the surrounding area. Again, they used cadaver dogs, but
there was no sign of Jennifer's remains. A review of
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Kent Macwinney's phone records showed that he had been near
the Rod and Gun Club in late March and then
again on May thirty first, one week after Jennifer's disappearance.
Despite all of these efforts from investigators, Jennifer's body still
has not been found to this day.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yeah, it's really so frustrating.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
It is frustrating because you just you know that he
did it, and you know he had to have done
something with her body within a pretty limited amount.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Of time, and so it's just that day, right yea
most likely.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Yeah, So it's just yeah, it's very baffling.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Were streams, ponds, lakes searched?
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Yeah, I think so. I mean they look I'll talk
about more, but they looked at like all the different
properties that he owned, They looked at a property that
Jennifer's mom owned, They looked at yeah, parks. I mean,
they really did a very thorough search of everywhere they
could think of.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
And so there wasn't cement poored that day at a
property or I.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Don't think so. No. Fotis hired well known criminal defense
attorney Norm Pattis to represent him. Pattis came up with
a novel theory to explain Jennifer's disappearance, and I use
the word novel as a clever double meaning, because he
claimed to have a copy of Jennifer's unpublished novel that
she had written several years ago, and Pattis claimed that
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it echoed the plot of Gone Girl. So if you
haven't read Gone Girl or seen the movie, I'm going
to give a spoiler alert before I say anything about it.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
It's a yeah, it's a great book. If you haven't
read it, it is.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
But it's about a woman who fakes her own murder
and leaves behind several false clues implicating her husband. Pattis
said of Jennifer's no, it's not Gone Girl, but it's close.
His implication was clear that maybe Jennifer faked her own
murder and then made it look like Fotus was responsible
for her disappearance. It was a ridiculous theory on its face,
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and Jennifer's friends and families were outraged by Pattis putting
this out there. Friends who had read the draft novel
say that first of all, it was written ten years
before Gone Girl was published, and second, it was not
at all similar to Gone Girl, and didn't match any
of the evidence in her actual disappearance, and third, it
was ludicrous to think that Jennifer would leave her children
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while he was out on bail for the tampering with
evidence and hindering prosecution charges. Fotus gave interviews to Dateline
and other media outlets. While he wouldn't discuss any of
the evidence or specifics about Jennifer's disappearance on advice from
his lawyer, he came across as very soft spoken, sincere,
and concerned. In these appearances. He of course denied any
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stories of violence or abuse in the marriage, and was
very careful to talk about Jennifer in the present tense,
saying he still believed and hoped that she was alive
and would be found. It was an impressive act. Here
are a few short clips that I collected from those interviews.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
There was never, never, never, any violence, any abuse in
any way.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
Jennifer and I didn't even really argue all these years.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
I never wanted Jennifer out of the way. Even if
I could get so custody, I would still not take
it because I wouldn't want my children to have a
relationship with her mother. Because I care about the children
I had my differences with Jennifer, like many people do
when they go through a marriage. It didn't work out
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for us, But that doesn't mean that I wish her
ill in any way.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
She was a great mother. I think she was an
excellent mother, and I hope that she continues to be
an excellent mother.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
You use the present tense.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Yes, do you believe Jennifer is alive?
Speaker 2 (37:58):
I do, against all circumstantial evidence or common understanding.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
And I'd like not to discuss this, but in your
mind for my attorney's advice, So I kind't understand, but
in your mind she's alive. Yes.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
I just want to say, if there's any dateline producers
out there listening, I would love a shot.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
Being a date line host. I know, I know, I
know we're ready for that.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Oh sure you are, sure you are?
Speaker 4 (38:24):
Well?
Speaker 1 (38:25):
We would do it together.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
So that was one of the shirts I wanted to do,
was like Keith and Dennis and Josh and and rich
In Tina, Well, I forgot I always forget the lady's name.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
I don't know. I can't help you there. I'm terrible
at names. I just I just know Keith.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
Yeah, And then I was going to put Ritentina at
the end.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Yeah, what do you think of photuses those short clips
that I play.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
I mean, I know he's a lying sack of garbage,
but he sounded sincere.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
I know he really I have to say, like he
really comes across as super sincere. I also know he's
lying of garbage as well. Even without a body. There
was a lot of evidence pointing toward Photos and also
toward Michelle Traconis and Kent Mowinny for helping him cover
up the crime. On January sixth of twenty twenty, all
three of them were arrested. The charges against Photos were murder,
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felony murder, and kidnapping in the first degree. The charges
against Michelle and Kent were conspiracy to commit murder. Fotus
was back home the same day after coming up with
his six million dollar bond, but now wearing an ankle
bracelet to keep track of him. However, prosecutors learned that
the houses that he had put up for collateral for
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his bond were actually under foreclosure. It turned out that
Fotus's finances were really kind of a mess. He had
borrowed millions to start his business and was always on
the brink of bankruptcy, essentially selling one house to get
cash to build the next one, but never really getting ahead.
And I think the two years of the legal battle
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and the divorce also he was being sued by Jennifer's
mom for two point five million dollars, and he had
multiple lines of credit open with a total balance of
four point five million dollars, not to mention the many
mortgages on his properties. In total, his debt exposure was
around seven million dollars, and he was failing to even
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make the minimal interest payments on that debt. It's also
worth noting that the kids had trust funds established in
their name from Jennifer's parents, which were worth more than
two million dollars. If Jennifer were to disappear and Fotus
were to get custody of the children, he would suddenly
have access to that money. Because of the fact that
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his bond had been put up using collateral that was
under foreclosure, prosecutors made a motion to revoke his bond.
On the morning of January twenty eighth, Fotus was notified
that he needed to show up for a hearing that afternoon.
He likely realized that this would be his last day
of freedom, at least until the trial, if not forever.
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At ten thirty eight, he headed into his garage and
attached a hose from the exhaust of his suburban and
ran it back through the window of the car and
started the engine. When he didn't show up for the hearing,
police quickly checked the location of his ankle bracelet and
saw that he hadn't left home. They rushed out to
find him in the garage inside the running car. They
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pulled him out onto the driveway and performed CPR, which
was captured on video by news helicopters overhead.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
They were very dramatic.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Yeah, the footage is actually really dramatic. They were eventually
able to get a pulse, and they then airlifted him
to a hospital in New York City, where he was
placed in a hyperbaric chamber to try and reverse the
effects of the CO two poisoning. It didn't work, though.
He was on life support for another two days, during
which time the kids, who hadn't seen him in months
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because of a court order, were allowed to come and
say their goodbyes.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Oh my goodness, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
He died on January thirtieth, twenty twenty at fifty two
years old.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
Holy wow. I didn't didn't see that coming.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
I think he just realized that he was probably never
going to be free again. I think he knew that
it was, you know, it was over for him.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
Well was there enough evidence?
Speaker 5 (42:11):
Though?
Speaker 2 (42:12):
I mean, there was so much evidence of you know,
there wasn't a body, but there was so much video
of him. I mean it was really not hard at
all to trace and and you know, all the items
that he threw out that had his DNA on it
along with Jennifer's you know, blood and DNA. So I
think it was pretty overwhelming.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
I just think of recent cases like Barry more Few. Yeah,
I guess there wasn't really blood evidence there.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Yeah, I think in this case there was enough circumstantial
evidence that he would have been convicted.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
Once upon a time, if you didn't have a body,
you weren't able to convict.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Fotus did leave a suicide note proclaiming his innocence. He wrote, quote,
if you are reading this, I am no more. I
refused to spend even an hour in jail for something
I had nothing all caps to do with. Enough is
enough If it takes my head to end this, so
be it. In the note, he also claimed that Kent, Mawinny,
and Michelle Traconis also had nothing to do with Jennifer's disappearance,
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which was kind of an odd thing to say. If
he was truly innocent, how would he know if Michelle
and Kent were also innocent. He also wrote, quote, please
let my children know that I love them. I would
do anything to be with them, but unfortunately we all
have our limits.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Okay, so that I'm going to have to take issue
with that. Like, you're a dad, and even if you
think you're going to jail, you do everything you can
to stay out of jail to be there for your
kids because they've already lost their mom.
Speaker 4 (43:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
Absolutely so. Fotus as suicide not only ensured that he
would never face trial for what he did to Jennifer,
it also left his five children without a parent, and
on top of that, it screwed over his supposed friends
Michelle and Kent, because I'm sure prosecutors would have pressured
them to flip on Photus in exchange for some type
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of leniency. I would think at least one of them
would have taken some type of offer and maybe even
led them to Jennifer's body, but now all that was
off the table. There were some rumors in late twenty
twenty that Kent mawinnie may have turned on Michelle. Michelle's
attorney referred to him as a jailhouse informant, and we're
trying to get information about what he might have said
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to the police, but it's unclear what, if anything Mwinni
has shared. Remember, mwinnie is a lawyer, albeit not a
criminal attorney, but he knows how the game is played,
so I wouldn't be surprised if he cuts some sort
of a deal. There has been some indication from prosecutors
that he will testify against Michelle Traconis at her trial.
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Kent mawinney was out on bond but under house arrest
until May of twenty twenty three, when a judge granted
a motion to lift the house arrest, but he's still
required to wear an ankle monitor. Just recently, Mwinni's attorney
asked that his ankle monitor be removed because it causes
him embarrassment and prevents him from wearing ice skates, which
I understand is quite a hardship. But the judge these
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people to judge did not see it that way and
denied the motion. This was just a couple of weeks ago. Actually,
Michelle Traconis has maintained her innocence. She released a statement
in May of twenty twenty saying that she knows nothing
of Jennifer's whereabouts. While she professes sympathy for the Dulo's children,
the statement quickly turns to how unfairly she's been treated.
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She also said, quote, whether or not Fotus Dulos was
capable of doing the things the police and prosecutors accused
him of doing, I do not know, but based on
what I've learned in the last year, I think it
was a mistake to have trusted him unquote. Michelle's trial
is scheduled to start on January eighth of twenty twenty
four in Stamford, Connecticut. Jury selection is actually already complete,
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so it sounds like, yeah, they did I thought they
usually did jury selection right before the trial, but they
actually just finished it, maybe a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
It seems really odd because then you know, you're curious,
you're a human, Yeah, you're probably going to do something.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
They would probably do some googling.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
Yeah, I'm sure they're told not to, but yeah, that
would be kind of human nature, wouldn't it. So it
sounds like the trial is likely to go forward without
further delay. The judge has said that the trial may
last until March first. I'll be sure and provide updates
once it begins. She's currently free on bond as she
awaits trial.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
So the evidence against Michelle is like, there's video of
her in the Tacoma yeah, with fhotus and composing of
the trash.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Yeah, And there's also DNA of hers on some of
the trash bags. It's not on like the items that
had Jennifer's blood on them, but it is on the
trash bags themselves.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
So so I guess she could potentially say, oh, I
was just helping throw away the trash.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Yeah, I think so it's possible. I don't know what
other evidence they have against her other than you know,
she lied. She clearly lied in the police interviews that
she did. You know, they caught her in those lies.
They know, they know for a fact that she was
not being honest with them during those interviews. So they
definitely have that against her as well. But yeah, I'm
not sure, like if they've you know the case against
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her for conspiracy to commit murder if that's going to
be strong enough, So I'll be I'll be really curious
to see what happens with that trial.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
Yeah, I'll definitely keep our eyes open.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
I don't believe that Kent mawinney has a trial date
set yet, and I kind of wonder if prosecutors are
waiting to see whether he follows through and testifying against Traconis,
and maybe some type of a deal is in the
works pending that testimony him. I mean, really, I haven't
read a lot of Chel right, Yeah. I think he
helped kind of provide an alibi for Fotus. I didn't
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read a lot about his questioning of the police, but
I think that he originally may have told them that
he met with Fotus that morning to try to give
him an alibi. So I think he may have lied
for Fotus. And then there's the whole thing with the
rod and gun club, which didn't lead anywhere, but it's
still very.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
Suspicious but not necessarily Yeah evidence.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
Yeah, exactly what was he charged with? Conspiracy murder?
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (48:01):
So yeah, again, I don't know what when he is
going to go on trial, If ever he met. Like
I said, my speculation is that he had some kind
of a plea agreement to maybe help in the case
against Michelle. But again, I'll provide updates as we learn
more about that. We may never know exactly what happened
to Jennifer Farber Dulos. It's clear that Fords killed her,
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but we don't know exactly how. The fact that he
had brought zip ties, a rain poncho, gloves, and other
items tell us that he planned to restrain her before
killing her, which is horrible to think about. I can
only imagine the terror that Jennifer felt in her last moments.
The fact that there was a large amount of blood
in the garage and that Fotus made an attempt to
clean it up with a bunch of paper towels tells
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me that things didn't go according to plan. I'm sure
he didn't intend to leave that much physical evidence at
the scene. Investigators have searched extensively for Jennifer's body, as
we've talked about it. They searched the pond where Fotus
taught the kids how to water ski. They searched several
properties owned by Potus's company. They searched the property of
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a home that Jennifer's mom owned near New Canaan. They've
used cadaver dogs and also dogs trained to sniff out electronics,
which I didn't even know was a thing because Jennifer's
phone has also never been recovered. They shut down an
incineration plant in Hartford. Photus was not the smartest criminal
in the world, given all the evidence they left behind,
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but the fact that he was somehow able to disappear
Jennifer's body and the relatively short window of time that
he had is baffling. As we've talked about already. But
wherever you are, Jennifer, I hope that you're able to
rest in peace.
Speaker 3 (49:40):
Oh for sure. That's heartbreaking.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
You know how I feel about these cases when these
kids are left, Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
No closure, It's just yeah, it's incredibly sad. Recently, Jennifer's
family issued a statement quote, we continue to grieve the
loss of her loving devotion to her children and family,
her friendship, courage, brilliance, and singular ability to touch the
lives of the people she encountered. The statement went on
to say that quote intimate partner violence cuts across gender, economic,
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and racial, ethnic lines and it disproportionately affects women of
color and asks the public to help change the disparity
by donating to the Black and Missing Foundation. Jennifer's five children,
who at this point range in age from seventeen to thirteen,
have been living with Jennifer's mom, Gloria, who is now
eighty eight years old.
Speaker 3 (50:29):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
I'm sure they have a privileged upbringing, given Gloria's wealth,
but they've been deprived of a mother who loved them
more than anything in the world. And I really hope
that they're doing okay. And that is all I have
on the story of Jennifer Farber Dulos.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
Oh, that was really that's very sad. The kids, so
it was their extended family. Do they see his family
at all?
Speaker 2 (50:54):
I do not know. I suspect that they don't, though
I think a lot of his extended family are overseas
in Greece anyway, so I'm just guessing that there's probably
not a lot of warm relations there between Jennifer's mom
and his family, but I don't know for sure.
Speaker 1 (51:10):
Well, I know you're not feeling well today, so you
did a spectacular job, So thanks for hanging in there
for us. And a lot of listeners always say that
we or you have soothing voices. And I was feeling
today because I almost downed are supposedly for a second there.
I have to be careful because I always I like
to fall asleep to dateline. Yeah, usually, but I was
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getting a little sleepy there. But heartbreaking case, yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
And I again, I will update everyone when Michelle Traconis
goes to trial and if there are any other developments,
because the case is still not resolved yet.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
Where do you think her body could have been taken?
Speaker 2 (51:49):
I really, I mean I know, I wish, I wish
I did know, but yeah, I mean it's got to
be somewhere within like a forty five minute you know
radius of Farrington, where Photus's house was, But that leaves
a lot of space. I mean there's a lot of
open areas in that part of Connecticut. So really hard
(52:10):
to say.
Speaker 3 (52:10):
Just heartbreaking and baffling.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
And yeah, you just wish that there could be some
closure there, that it would at least help to find
her body and have at least that much closure. But
you know, there will never be real justice in this
case because you know, Photus is not there to stand trial. Either,
so that's too bad.
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