November 11, 2024 • 51 mins
Unlock love's cosmic secrets and discover how astrology, numerology, tarot and cosmic intuition shape relationships and your own existence. Love Matters host Leeza Mangaldas and astrologer Zohra Shakti explore divination's insights into love, self-discovery and modern relationships. Watch this episode for an enlightening cosmic journey.
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Website: https://www.woodstockwitch.com/
Credits:
Produced by:
Patricia Szilagyi (DW)
Charulata Biswas (IE)
Khyati Rajvanshi (IE)
Researcher & Editor:
Sana Rizvi (DW)
Audio Editor:
Suresh Pawar (IE)
Project Manager:
Patricia Szilagyi (DW)
Executive Producer:
Melanie von Marschalck (DW Life & Style)
Anant Nath Sharma (IE)
Love Matters with Leeza Mangaldas is a cooperation between The Indian Express and DW, Germany’s international broadcaster.
Learn more about DW:
https://www.dw.com
Get in touch: lovematters@dw.com
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Have you ever found yourself looking up the zodiac sign
of a crush just to check if you'd be compatible,
or looked at your weekly horoscope wondering if there's love
on the cards. I'm Lisa Mandodas and this is love Matters,
and today we're going to be gliding through the galaxies
of divination and love. And to do that with me
today is Zorashakti. She's an astrologer, a psychic, a tarot
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card reader, crystal healer, someone who's really immersed herself in
the world of cosmic intelligence, and as someone who knows
very little about the subject and has veered towards skepticism
thus far, I am so looking forward to learning all
about it. Zorah, thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Thanks so much for having me. I'm so so excited
to glide through the cosmos, as you said, and you know,
talk about astrology and talk about the numbers and talk
about how they have a profound impact on our lives.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Absolutely, I was very intrigued when you leave out the
Tara deeck. You also put those crystals down town. Absolutely
tell me about them.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Okay, So the green one you see there is flow right,
and the whitish pink one is a Himalian cords okay.
So the green one is actually great for communication and
ideas and inspiration. So that little friend there is going
to give us some cosmic zoomies.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Love it, okay. And the pink one's it.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Just to enhance communication, give us a little more clarity.
All in all, these pistles are meant to, let's say,
make us feel a little more tuned in, a little
more inspired to the cosmic flow of intelligence.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
So, h what got you interested in divination?
Speaker 1 (01:46):
How did you discover this world as well as your
aptitude for it?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I want to say that I've always been a curious child,
and I think it comes from having a lot of
air placements, have an Aquarius rising and a couple of
other stuff. One of the things that I believe in
is always being a student and always being a teacher,
you know, so always being ever present to that flow
of energy, which means literally nerding out, reading as many
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books as you can, listening to as many podcast courses,
but also always passing that energy forward, you know, finding
out lets to share it with other people in whatever
way that they can understand, in a way that's real
and relatable. So to settle back to your question, it's
definitely my curiosity and my never ending urge to know
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more about the way that the cosmos works, and most
importantly for me, these tools of divinations, A divination answer
the question why am I the way I am?
Speaker 3 (02:45):
And why are you the way you are?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Right, So, in a way, it's so deeply personal and
psychological because we tend to understand divination is merely something
that focuses on future predictions versus I want to understand
why I am the way that I am? What is
my essence? What are my gifts? What am I here
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to do?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
A lot of that I want to know.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I want to ask you all about why I am
the way I am.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I am looking forward to getting into that, but before
we before.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
We get it too that, I wanted to also ask
what you make of the new found enthusiasm and curiosity
of what we used around astrology and tarror and all
of these absolutely sort of alternative modes of knowledge that
gen Z and millennials seem to like we are in
an astrohole era. When asked for right, why what do
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you think has contributed to this sort of like resurgence,
like of faith, even right, and the popularity around these
modes of knowing.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
We grew up with a very rigid system in the
way that I have profound respect for Joe Tish as
a system, but the way that that information was passed
on to us made us feel limited. It didn't make
us feel like we can spread our wings and fly.
But the difference between modern practitioners and say, the more
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traditional astrologers is that we acknowledge the role of freeel right. So,
for instance, Lisa, I can tell you that your rising
is Taurus, but I can either tell you in a
way that empowers you to go out there and live
your purpose and live your truth, or I can tell
you in a way that makes you feel that the
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cards that were handed down to you are somehow negative.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Are you understanding what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
And I think that for our generation, astrology and all
of these other tools comes with a sense of freedom
because it helps you in this journey of self discovery.
But it also in a way helps you understand that
you're not restricted by what's written in your chart. You
are here to understand yourself better, break patterns and rewrite
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the story.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
And what do you make of the business side of
this sort of rise in popularity. You know, today the
astrotech industry already in India is like a multi billion
dollar industry, and holistic wellness globally that often co opts
some of the language and mechanisms of divination.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Is a multi trillion dollar industry.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
So do you think that there's something both for consumers
and practitioners to be mindful of in terms of retaining
the spiritual integrity of this while also leaning into the
fact that it's a massive market opportunity.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Absolutely. I really like that you use the word integrity
because that's so important for any practitioner to understand.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
And I would like.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
To be politically incorrect here and say don't go to
anybody who induces fear.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Okay, So if someone.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Tells you that if you don't do this pooja, or
if you don't do this, or if you don't marry
a potter, a tree or a plant, you don't for
the rest of your life, please pack.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Your belongings and run home. Thank you?
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Right, yes, of course, So don't let anybody sell you fear.
You are the boss of you. This is your chart.
But again, I'm going to keep coming back to this.
You're not restricted by it. You're not limited by it.
It's your cosmic blueprint, it's your map. Take everything with
a pinch of salt, including what I tell you. And
I always tell this to my clients and my readers. Ultimately,
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it is your actions and your decisions that define the
course of your life. This is a map, This is
a guideline, and take it, absorb it, synthesize it, and
then play with it.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I think that so often people come to these sort
of sources of knowledge that seems less easy to define.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
I suppose at periods.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Of feeling lost, you know, absolutely when something goes wrong,
you're willing to at least that's been my experience, and
I think it's so unfortunate that some people pray on
that state of vulnerability. Right, It's definitely something to be
mindful of.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Yeah, yeah, and we can sense it in our bones.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Right.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
If you're in a space where don't, I say, don't
look for logic.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
You know, someone would have recommended a practitioner that worked
for them, but you're sitting in their studio and you're
somehow feeling drained or depleted and instead of feeling like
instead of feeling replenish instead of feeling like you're ready
to embrace your sense of purpose.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Again, that's your red flag.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Don't stay. Don't let anybody make those decisions for you
or tell you that you're doomed in.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Some way to play the devil's advocate for a second.
What do you say to people who dismiss these sorts
of modes of knowing as unscientific or fake?
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Oh I love it. I have no time to convince
for anybody who doesn't believe in magic, but I will
tell you this, Lisa. So I've never been a skeptic.
I've always been a believer of magic. I just didn't
know what that meant as a kid, and that's where
the exploration started, you know. So we use this term
called coming out of the spiritual closet because when you're younger,
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you don't want everyone to know that you have a
secret stash of cards or a book on spells, or
like little red candle stashtory somewhere. So when I did
come out of the spiritual clauset, so to speak, I
tiptoed a little, you know, because I didn't want to
let my freak flag fly immediately.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Freak flag. I love that. I'm going to use that
you shit.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, But I've been incredibly lucky in the way that
I've always been met with curiosity. So when I decided
I want to take this step and I want to
embrace this is my life path and my passion, you know,
it became this strange, little secret club that I would
go to party and everyone's a little tipsy and having
(09:02):
this conversation about superficial conversations, and then someone pulls me
in a corner and then starts talking to me about
dreams or visions of their past life. And I was like, okay, really, like,
weren't you talking about the most mundane top I mean,
I'm not saying this in a judgmental way, but I'm
talking about it in a way that, you know, someone
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could have been talking about, say fashion or politics.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Or something like that.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
And then suddenly they pull me in a corner and
I see this whole new side of them. And I
think when I first, like I said, started sharing my practice,
I had these sort of biases, you know that women
would be more receptive, or you know, certain kinds of
people would be more receptive. But I want to say
that spirituality am using it as an umbrella. Term is
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for absolutely everybody, men, women, irrespective of your gender, your cast,
your race. Because I feel like people shy away from
talking about their uote unquote surreal or mystical experiences because
it makes them feel weird in some way. It makes
them feel like they're going to be singled out or
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people are going to make fun of them. But for me,
like I said, it's been wonderful because somehow people just
found the safe space to start talking about their mystical
experiences and seeing it as quote unquote normal.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
So I don't actually, to answer your question, I.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Don't actually meet as many skeptics. I meet people who
pretend to be skeptic and then find a safe space
to share their experiences.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
I wonder if I am guilty as charged. I haven't
come out of the spiritual closet yet. But we shall,
we shall today, we shall absolute it, we shall today. Okay,
So I am since this is love matters, I am
eager to keep picking your brains about how we can
use the perspectives and insights from all of the various
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modes that you are familiar with to gain perspective on
our relationships. But I'm happy to also offer myself as
the guinea pig were we to use it. Absolutely is
my charts or cards or whatever as an example for
listeners to also understand the capacity for insight that these
modes provide. So I thought, we've absolutely astrology, sure for
the uninitiated, which I myself like barely know anything about.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Honestly, what is astrology?
Speaker 1 (11:24):
How does it work? What is a birth chart? What
are the Big three? Sand Moon rising? You tried to
take me through it a sermon to go before we started.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Yeah, let's break it down like you might not really
know much.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Absolutely, my endeavors to keep it simple because I want
everybody to be able to understand this. So I'm not
going to go into the complexities of sinistry. But let's
talk about the bird chart, right, So it is the
map of the sky on the day that you were born.
And I think it's it's wild. It's not a coincidence.
It's the precise moment you said, Okay, I'm getting on
a spaceship and I'm landing here, right, so you're your
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planet replacements are defined by that precise moment.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Now coming to.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
The Big three, right, most of us would say, okay,
I'm Libra, or I'm Cancer, or I'm Gemini, which essentially
means that I'm a Libra son or in your case,
you're a Gemini son. Of course we know what the
sun sign is, but I want to again, I'll give
you a few keywords. Think of the sun as the soul,
so your purpose where you shine the most. And think
of the moon as not just your body, but your
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emotional body. Right, it's and I think the moon is
so at least for me. I think that the moon
is so interesting because when you first meet the sun,
or when you first meet a person, you get a
sense of.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Their rising and their sun.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
When you know them intimately, you'll see the moon, okay,
because that's how you relate to people that you actually
care about, that you're close to. So in any sort
of relationship, the tonic, romantic, anything, when you're close to somebody,
I feel like your moon really shines through. Right.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Where is your rising is?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
You know, the overarching, the overarching plan, the patterns, what
drives you, what motivates you, the larger picture of what
your life is going to look like.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Yeah, that's really interesting. So what would it?
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Okay, So let's say you said I have Gemini son
and Gemini and we had a hard time figuring out
what rising I have. But what would let's say you
have that knowledge, what can you infer about a person
from that?
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Like, Okay, I hear a lot of people who are
very into astrology.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Asking that, for example, before going out with like, you know,
iguing whether they'll go on a date with this person.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
So what can one tell?
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Is there so much that can be inferred from simply
those facts about a person?
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Absolutely? Or should you give them a chance?
Speaker 2 (13:48):
You know?
Speaker 3 (13:49):
You should give everybody a chance?
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Thank you. Yes, I'm always going to say that this
is true, and that is true. I don't think that
we can be so rigid because I could I know
for a fact that you have a Gemini son, and
I could have another woman who probably shares not just
not just your son sign, but your birthday, and you
will still have very different ways of expressing that essence,
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you know. So I think that, yeah, basically, give everybody
a chance. You don't know until you actually meet them
and discover them, right, And I mean in the beginning,
we're all wearing masks, and the more you get to
know people, like I said, you're.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Going to see the moon.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
You're going to see how they are intimately, You're going
to see You're going to see the vulnerabilities, the strengths,
all of it. So don't be rigid about and don't
stereotype people. Oh you're a Gemini, you must be like that.
And I'm using that example of Gemini because that's the
most hated sign on the internet.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Really, Oh my goodness, why we hate it?
Speaker 2 (14:48):
See? Now, that's the thing, right. People will say, oh,
gemini Is are two faced and all of that, but
what they will not say is that Geminis are incredibly creative. Okay,
you can talk to them about It's wild. You can
talk to them about anything from from politics to astrology
to like what is the right sea salt to use
for this recipe? Does that make sense? Yeah? So it's
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it's I think talking to Gemini badly hated. You want to.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
I'm so intrigued.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
I'm going to go back to the uh, they have
a bad rep forming two face then.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
God relationships in general in.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
General, because apparently they're going to gossip and take information
from here and give.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
It really yeah, so interesting. I'm so antisocial. I don't
even need any gossip.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Okay, Yeah, yeah, right, and that's why that definition does
not apply to you.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Interesting. Yeah, what's the most beloved sign on the internet?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Scorpio? No, actually, I was gonna say that after Gemini,
Scorpio is the most hated.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Oh but I get there's like lots of stereotypes around
scorpios being like the most friends, lovers and things like that.
At least I see that on Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Absolutely, but then also apparently.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
They're jealous and possessive and vengeful, but they're also I see,
maybe the best lover that you're going to have.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
So do you think that the stereotypes and the internet
memes sort of discoss that you know, teenagers or whatever
are having around these signs are mainly just banter or
there is some truth to these stereotypes.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
I think it's the same thing. Take everything with a
grain of salt. I want to say that everything literally,
everything has shadow and light. Right. So again, if you're
talking about, say cancer, they're supposed to be I mean,
it's the sign of the mother. So even men in
general are supposed to have that I want to say
sensitive or artistic side, and they're more tuned into your
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emotions and stuff like that, which is a wonderful quality
for any human being to have. Right, But that is
the light aspect, right, But everybody university has light aspects
and shadow aspects. So the shadow can be that they
go like the crab. Right, So this it is the
sign of the crab. So you don't know when they're
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going to bite you or attack you, or get cranky
about or moody about something. So what I'm trying to
say is it's important to look at everything holistically. You're
not just your You're not just your son. Your mon
is literally it's it's a chart with twelve houses, nine planets,
and all of them are you know, interacting and playing
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with each other. And so if I reduce you to
just being your son or your moan, I'm not seeing
you as an as a whole individual.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Should we move on to taro then absolutely, yeah, So
what let's let's start with how taro works for the
uninitiated and what one can hope to learn from or like,
how best to utilize.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
So should you be seeking answers.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Absolutely, specific questions get specific answers, So it's always good
to come in with an intention. But also don't be rigid,
because I think that for me Tara is like storytelling.
You know, you're pulling out all of these cards. They're
so rich in images and symbology. So that's one aspect,
because every card has a certain meaning, has a certain definition,
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and how they laid out will tell you how they're
interacting with each other. Again, as we spoke about in
the bird chat, they have colors. I mean you're looking
at the colors, you're looking at symbols, you're looking at
numbers and the other and the other element is of
course your intuition, which I can say that I would
assume that most readers are also tuning into a higher force,
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like they're sort of channeling or channeling information or their
mediums in some way. So the way that the cards
are laid out will tell you a story. But then
there's that other element of what you are receiving as
a divine download in that moment, which gives you an
additional layer to this story. The third thing is again
I'm going to come back to curiosity, because if I'm
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not willing to listen to you, I can't answer your
question right. So as a reader, don't be afraid to
ask questions. You don't know everything right, So understand where
the person is that what they're struggling with, because that
will help you, you know, that will enhance your reading,
It will help you uncover deeper layers.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Okay, I have a question before we before we pull
some cards. I think that when one is contemplating seeing
a psychic or you know, one, fear is being told
bad news.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
And I think some mediums may like manipulate you based
on realizing how vulnerable you are, as we were about, and
some might choose not to. I mean, what is it
possible with specificity to really determine that a negative event
you know of such and such magn dude, is going
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to just by looking at a card? Or do you
think that there's that it is common for practitioners without
sufficient integrity to simply scare and you know, to just
like utilize that power that they wielded over a absolutely
willing I don't know, lost soul hoping to you know
what I mean? If someone told me something awful, I
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think it's more likely I'm going to come back. Yeah,
but can you both joyful and awful? Can you how
specifically the answers that reveal themselves to you?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Generally it can be really specific. I will also say
that sometimes in rare cases, you're also guided to not
share everything.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Okay, but again, I want to go back.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
To it being a tool of guidance, which means that
nothing is absolute. If I tell you Lisa, this is
going to happen on August eighteen, twenty twenty six, but
you're just like, no, I'm going to stay at home.
You know, I don't need to go meet this person.
I don't need to go to the buy where I've
been invited for x YS. There's a chance that that
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encounter or that episode might not play out because you're
choosing not to act on it. So, like I said, okay,
there is destiny. There are certain things that are pivotal
that I don't want to say they are written. I
want to say that you, on a higher level have
written that before you came here, and now you're just
and now you're just like, wait, did I decide that?
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Yes you did, and now you're uncovering it through the cards.
But there is so much more scope for you to
understand this is where I want to go and what
can I do to get there, rather than looking at
it as an absolute Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (21:41):
So would you say that people benefit from a shift
in mindset. We're instead of seeing yourself as a passive
sort of victim of whatever has been written, like it is,
there's nothing you can do about it. It is, you know,
preordained all like this is a prediction and I'm telling
you what will happen? Do you think that in a
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way when you said you've written it? Yeah, that one's
own free will and agency should be honored at all
points where you where one instead of feeling a lack
of control or helplessness. Absolutely, actually one is very much
a participant in how everything you needed it.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
You couldn't have described it in a more accurate way,
like I said, I mean this and that is true.
I can't say that destiny is not playing out right.
You are on in a certain country and a certain family.
There is a container, there are certain circumstances at play.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
But what are you doing with that elements?
Speaker 2 (22:37):
That's on you? Right?
Speaker 3 (22:39):
And why did I say it's you?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Because it's very easy to say it is written. But
the reason that I'm saying you have written it is
because we are consciously creating our reality. Before a soul
chooses to be born, it's sitting in this conference room
with other beings which could be your ancestors or higher
dimensional beings, having this cosmic conference and saying, Okay, this
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is the lesson I didn't learn. This is a person
that clearly I was really mean too, So now I
have to go make amends and stuff like that. You know.
So there is that element of why have you attracted
this person because you clearly have pending karma? But now
how are you going to make amends here? Right?
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Or how are you going to heal this relationship?
Speaker 2 (23:21):
But more importantly, how are you going to heal that
pattern within you that creates this circumstance?
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Again and again, should we should we?
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Should we see what these cards absolutely as well?
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Today? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Yeah, so let's get specifically, sa, why don't you tell me?
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Of course, sticking to the topic.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Of love and relationships, why don't you tell me where
you are and what would you like to uncover through
the cards? And I'm going to ask you to just
gently touch this with your left hand.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Yes, okay, yes, and go on.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
The cards are listening, so I should tell you where
I'm at right now?
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah, give me, give me a little bit of a background.
What is your intention? What would you like to uncover.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
I think I've prioritized work so much in my life
in the last several years that my romantic life has
not been a priority.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
But I'm also.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Aware of the fact that unfortunately, female biology has a
you know, in terms of like were you ever to
have a child or which That's why I always thought
I definitely don't want, but I want. Sometimes you just
like reevaluate what you've believed thus far about yourself. I
guess I think that I have some things to learn
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about what I actually want. Like, I think I've not
been in relationships with intention. I suppose I wasn't that
concerned with the end result.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (24:44):
If I like someone, care about them and they're precerding
to my life, Okay, So I wonder what do the next.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Five years hold for me.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
In terms of my romantic life. Am I going to
get married? Will I have children? I have like very
consciously rejected those possibilities.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
That's far if that.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Right, okay, which is say, sticking to the norm in
some way what was expected.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
I would never do these things, Okay. I just wonder
whether the I don't know the forces at play.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
I think otherwise, So we've laid out your cards, We've
laid off my cards on this scale.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Of zero to ten. How real would you like me
to wait? Ten?
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Amazing? So I'm going to start in no particular order.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
I'll tell you a little bit about this.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
So I'm using a classic ride away deck. Okay. There
are many interpretations. Are a ride away to deck. Okay,
that's that's the name of the deck. It's one of
the most classic decks out there, and there are one
hundred interpretations. But I chose this specifically for today because
the images are very literal, okay. And I'm going to
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start and the reading that you see here. The cards
are laid out way, but I'm not going to go
in leanar order because I don't do that. But I'm
going to pick up a few cards and explain it
to you. And this is the card that a lot
of people despice.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
It's the devil card, okay.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
And the devil card actually resembles the lover's card, which
I'd probably pull out at some point, and in a
romantic relationship or in a romantic reading, that's the card.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
You want to see.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
And if I had to compare the two, you would
see the Lover's card is a little more as a
colorful version of this one minus the chains. Okay. So
the devil here can signify multiple things. It can signify
self sabotaging patterns, okay, it can The chains here can
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also signify where we're feeling restricted.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
In our lives. Okay.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Now, if I were to zoom out of your reading
and simply kind of tell you the overacting message, I
tell you your journey right now. Now, you know you
put this specific time period of five years, I would
say that your journey is about you, okay, And that
doesn't mean the lack of the other. But I'm saying
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that this is such an individual journey, and I don't
want to say oh professional and personal, I mean individual journey.
Whatever that means to you. That your lesson right now
is to learn how to prioritize the me and the
way okay, and to consciously choose partners that if I
(27:35):
were to put it bluntly, not distract you from your
path and purpose. Okay, And what that means again, I
want to go back to the chains, because I know
that's something that you have spoken about to me a
little bit about feeling stifled by more conventional forms of
relating right, Like I say, you question why one should
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get married or you know, live in a certain format,
and your dialogue with yourself or your your journey of
self discovery right now is actually I don't see lack
of partners or lack of options because you're starting with
two aces, right, and this is a great card to
have because you're starting with the ace of ones, which
is literally like it's an offering right, very it's like
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a phallixim literally okay, because the cards are very visual
and it's about it. It's about heat and passion and
desire and the Ace of Pentacles here is also saying
that it is there is a possibility for you to
solidify that connection. It's not just something privilege that's in
the air. You know, you can say, okay, this I
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sense meaning here and I want to invest in this connection.
And just going by mid dutive sense of things, I
feel like it's not limited to one.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
There are a few options that will come your way.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
But for you, it could be a phrase moment.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Where you take a step forward.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
But the devil plays out in the way that you
are varied repeating patterns from your past. You're you're worried of,
you know, sabotaging it in some way. But that's where
the journey of introspection starts, because it's for you to understand.
Sometimes understanding not this is a part of understanding. This
is what I actually want? Right And I know no one,
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no one really likes this, but spiritually, when you when
you look at it, the person in front of me
is a mirror and they're helping me basically understand myself better.
So I'm not clorifying a partner who is, you know,
just bad news or a red flag. But I'm saying
that it's not always about it's too simplistic to say
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that you're the bad guy, but more about understanding what
patterns are being mirried to me and how can I
use this container to maybe break certain patterns so clarify
my intentions and get into truly get into alignment put
with what I want from a partnership. And a lot
of it is also going to be about deconditioning yourself.
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And if you really just embrace that journey and take
it as Okay, it's a game, let's do this. You know,
it's all just a divine comedy. I feel like you
come out of this speriod with a greater sense of
clarity about what you want and lighter, just feeling lighter,
you know, like you work through all of this karmic
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baggage and you can almost start, you can start a
relationship with the not naivety, but in a sense of
a teenager.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
I like that. Yeah, what is the fool card? And
that's exactly where they of the teenager?
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Yeah, because it's it's number zero, right, and that's the
very first card of the deck where you're standing at
the edge of the cliff and you're ready to jump
into the unknown. So you're coming out of this space
where you work through all of this baggage. You've been
in the space of awareness and your journey takes you
to that point where you're like, you know what, I'm
ready to start with a sense of lightness and rightness.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Thank you for that.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
That was so sweet that I like the wand these
of wants, don't we all?
Speaker 3 (31:12):
So do you sometimes do a reading for yourself? Of course?
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Okay, so here's the thing, I know the red flags.
But would that stop me from jumping in anyway?
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Probably not, probably not.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
So how often would you like, would you say that
the taro or even if the birth chart and stuff
play quite a big road in your own made selection,
do I really.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Want to put it out?
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Okay, now you know I'm kidding.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I'm kidding. Okay, So here's what I Here's what I
tell everyone, which is that it's a great tool of awareness.
So unless it's you know, literally giving me like five crosses,
then I'm going to look at that as divine guidance
and choose not to explore something. But if it is
a relationship that's meaningful for me, then that then the
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spread or the chart is like a sort of guidance
on what I can work on, how I can make
it juicier. So that's how I like to look at it.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
And have you found that your sort of.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Intuitions or insights from these sources to always be very accurate?
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Have you ever been surprised a person ever surprised you?
Speaker 2 (32:29):
I think I also make a conscious effort, a conscious
decision to leave room for surprises. So I don't want
to overplan things. I'm in the human experience and I
want to be in the human experience.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
So let's move on to numerology.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Okay, how is it either connected or distinct from tariff
and astrology, and what should someone who knows nothing about
it understand?
Speaker 2 (32:53):
So I want to say it's all connected. If you see,
if you look at the cards, they all have certain numbers.
Every number is associated with a certain planet. So in
a way, it also connects with your birth chat. In
your case you are at twenty five, that's just your the.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Day on which the lawn, yes, the day of the month.
Absolutely is your primary number or something.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yes, your personality number. So in your case it would
be a seven.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
So it's always the sum of the digits, Yes, a
single digit. It's only from one to nine.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Absolutely, unless it is eleven or twenty two, which are
master numbers, so you don't reduce that to two O four.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Let's say I'm born on the twenty fifty, Yes, i
am seven two plus.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Five absolutely, and that is the number of K two okay,
which is actually very misunderstood energy. But if I had
to simplify and tell you that a few things that
I could tell you about the number is that they
are great with research. You know, they are really great
when it comes to uncovering the truth about something. It
could be a PhD, or it could be the mysteries
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of life, or anything at all, depending on what they
are curious about. They're also very instinctive people. So if
a seven tells me this is something that I follow.
If A seven tells me, Okay, this person vibes are
off or this situation not.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Going to work for you, I'll just believe them.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
I don't need you to give me logic. I'll just
believe you.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Does that resonate in any way? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I mean I think I've always benefited from listening to
my gut. Okay, although I reserve usually don't tell other
people what to do, but maybe I should.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
I'm just going to tell them what say. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
But so okay, so that's your your main personality, your
personality number and what was and then when you do
the sums still number, that's your destiny numbers.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
It would be like your month plus the day per
Sillar year. Yes, the some of those digits. Do you
feel like a little bit of math? Yeah, sure, let's
do it.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Two plus five plus five is twelve plus one plus
nine is twenty two plus nine is twenty No thirty one.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Okay, so you're nineteen ninety Yeah, that's one because all right,
nine plus anything, okay, would be that digit. So nine
plus nine plus one is one oh.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Nine plus one. So nine plus nine plus one plus
like one plus nine plus nine plus Yes, we're doing
from complication one. Okay, let's reduce. I hope listeners are following.
Stay with us, Okay, stay with us. Okay.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
So nine plus nine is eighteen, yes, eighteen plus one
is nineteen okay, one plus nine set is ten.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Yes, so we get one.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
So we reduced your we reduce nineteen ninety to one.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Okay. You're born in the month of May May, so
that's a five.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
So we've reduced your birth number to seven plus five
plus one.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Now let's do the math. Twelve no, sorry, thirteen.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Thirteen okay, now reduce that to a single digit. Perfect, right.
So that is the number of rahu Urdus. So it's
it's the destiny number. What it's the overarching picture of
your life. It's what's going to drive you.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
And a simple way to look at four is that
it's a master builder. It really it's it's it's the
number that builds.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Strong, strong foundations. You know, whether that means it could
literally be building a business as in your case, there's
always something a little unusual or a little out of
the box in the way that they will do it.
So if you're expecting a four to stick to the
tried and tested or to follow the rule book, then
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you're going to be really disappointed.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
I see.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Yeah, So don't embrace the embrace it. Embrace what makes.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
You weird and wonderful with your weird fla free flag,
your freak flag.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Literally right, And of course said that also plays out
in compatibility in a way where, like I said, certain
numbers are just naturally more compatible with other numbers, and
certain numbers have a hard time understanding other numbers, again
because of how the planets interact with each other, and
that's where friction aizes. And now a simple way to
(37:13):
you know, how we say that oppositees attract, right, I
think that's perhaps too simplistic because the way that I
like to look at it is it's like intersecting circles. Right.
There has to be something, There has to be some
relatability or commonality, but there also has to be some differences,
(37:36):
which leads me to be curious about going back to
the eternal.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Question, why are you the way you are?
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Right?
Speaker 1 (37:44):
I think that viewers and listeners might enjoy, you know,
being able to take something from this conversation into their
own lives.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
You know, you mentioned that some numbers are more compatible
with others, and we talked a little bit when we
talk about astrology about this sort of characteristics associated with
each sign. Should we like lean into that a little?
I'm always, you know, like, what what might I be
like in a like what might my sign or my
element or my number to be like I think everyone
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likes hearing, you know, insight that they can apply to
their own lives. So do you want to take us
through what.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
The main sun sign?
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Like?
Speaker 3 (38:22):
What the sun signs are like, which ones tend to
be compatible? Element? Maybe?
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah, sure, let's look at the elements.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
That's if you're not that's.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
A great way to you know, to get to get
an overarching sense of somebody. And so I don't want
to say all aquarians or all can settings. I want
to say aqueris placements because that's a way of saying
that that could be your sun new moon. It could be,
like I said, the Mars or the Weieness sign. Right,
So I'm going to try to make it a little
(38:50):
juicy with examples. But let's talk about the elements, because
that's such a great way, that's such a fundamental understanding. Right, So,
why don't you tell me what what what does the
earth do? What if I told you someone was an
Earth sign, what what sense would that give you?
Speaker 3 (39:07):
The thing grounded? Yeah, stable, reliable, I don't.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Know, absolutely absolutely, and the very tactile, right Like for instance,
uh Trus is known to be one of the most
sensual signs. Right. So, like an example that I could
give you a typical torrient date night would be going
to like a really fancy Michelin star restaurant where you
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can you're you're You're not just feasting. It's not just
about the taste. It's about the visual experience. It's about
dressing up, it's about putting on an ice perfume and
all in all, indulging all of your senses. Yeah, let's
talk let's talk water. If I told you that I'm
a water sign, what would you imagine my personality to be?
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Like fluid, soothing, right, maybe even nurturing.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Like absolutely, no, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
Yeah, helping things grow I don't know, yeah, yeah, yeah,
artistics sensitive, way more tuned into your their emotions in
their light more tuned into their emotions and the emotions
of their other person.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
I give you the example of a tourist state night
for cancer. It could be something entirely different. It could
be a meal that's more soothing, like a comfort meal.
But because it's the sign of home. Maybe I'm not
to say that they can't be fun or playful. They
could have all of these other qualities, but for them,
having somebody inviting somebody into their sacred space is like
(40:43):
I said, it is their sacred space. So it's a
big deal to give somebody that sort of gate pass,
you know, as opposed to somebody who is way more
social and always has friends.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Over right, So their.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Love languages, maybe cooking for you or literally like letting
you come into their house or making you meet their
family or their pet and those kinds, and through all
of these little things, they're letting you know that I
care and I'm letting you into my life.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Yeah, I suppose people.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Should go look up whether they're an air sign or
I mean a earth sign or water sign or whatever
if they don't already know.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Absolutely apply some of these absolutely, But like I said,
it's always a mix of different things. Like say you're
a Gemini sun, but you have a tourist rising, right,
So I can't reduce it to one. But I can
say that maybe you have more placements in water signs
or earth signs, and that would in some way feature
(41:43):
in the way that you interact with other people. How
that shows up in your relationships?
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Right, So we have air signs left, right, we have
air and file, air and fire.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Sorry, but also I'm sorry, I'm interrupted to say that
water and earth are generally more compatible with each other.
There's a greater sense of I get you. And with
fire and earth because it's upward moving energy, there's more
sense of adventure and let's try something new and let's
get our hands dirty, or let's go on the strip together.
Speaker 5 (42:14):
You know.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
So there is Yeah, there's there's a deeper sense of
understanding in these elements.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
And do do two people who have the same elements
like fire on fire earth and tend.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
To they can? Like I said, there's no love is
not logical, right, But okay, let's let's say fire. What
would you imagine the qualities of a fire signed to be.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
Volatility?
Speaker 4 (42:43):
So I don't know, passion, yeah, yes, for lax zuberns, yeah,
absolutely not afraid to shine.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Right, their love language could be motivating their partner.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
What is what am I?
Speaker 2 (42:56):
So you have a lot of Gemini placements from what
I am? This? In your big three you have a
son and moon both in Gemini And that's an air sign, right.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
So, which the Internet hates.
Speaker 5 (43:08):
I don't you're sitting with an AIRSI oh, okay, But
with air signs, I always say, now, personally speaking, I
think intellect is such a turn on.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Which is such a turn on, Like you could have
the most beautiful gym body in the world, but if
you can't turn me on with your words, you can't turn.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
Me on, you know.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
I'm sure you relate to that. Yeah. So, but going
back to your question about fire and fire, right, because
it is passion, is it is exuberance? Now, they could
fuel each other in the way that you know, I
motivate you, you motivate me, and we both have big
goals energy and this zest for life.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
Or it could lead to a lot of frick.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
Too much yeah, too much fire, you know, with air signs,
maybe there's just too much space, too much freedom, and
no one calls each other because they were waiting for
the other person to call or they could really or
they could or they could inspire each other in the
way that there's always more conversation. There's deep conversation. They're
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inspiring each other, they're curious, they're going for they're going
doing courses together or exploring new cultures together.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
So it can go both ways. There will always be a.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Deeper sense of understanding, you know, even in friendships. But
like I said, how much is too much?
Speaker 3 (44:30):
Interesting?
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Was there anything else we want to repeat about air
science because we didn't give.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Them, Yeah, we didn't give them enough firstime, Well why
don't you tell me?
Speaker 3 (44:39):
What do you think about? Perfect? No air science?
Speaker 1 (44:46):
Probably I don't know, filled with self doubt, unable to commit.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
Yeah, that's just roast me.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Yeah, I tend to, I think, be very conflict of
a yes, okay, but I don't know if all air
signs are like this. Sure maybe, but I think like
a difficult a reluctance to commit sounds quite airing.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Yes, absolutely absolutely, But like I said, I mean that's
the thing, right, they need to be intellectually stimulated. Like yes,
I mean everything every connection is inherently mind, body, and spirit.
But with all air signs, but especially Gemini, every day
is not the same day. You can't give them the
same package every day. It's not gonna work, right, So
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there has to be an element of fun and spontaneity
and sometimes unpredictability. And I don't mean that in a
bad way. I'm not seeing be a red flag, but
I'm saying keep it fun, you know.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Now, this has been so much fun, honestly, And I
think that when divination is presented in the way that
you do, in this way that's so empathetic and so
fulfilled with compacts and also with you know, self awareness
and humor, and it has this lightness to it which
feels like a wonderful way to get to know yourself
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better without any kind of high stakes that stand to
get in my way or you know, make me afraid
or all of that.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
Stuff, which is why I really really enjoyed this.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
But I also want to acknowledge that, unfortunately, sometimes astrology
is used in our culture, particularly you know, to prevent
people from being able to be with the one that
they love, or to induce all kinds of irrational beliefs
and things. So I want to also address as we
wrap like what makes this you know, Let's say you
have a kitchen knife.
Speaker 3 (46:39):
You can use it to make dinner, you can use
it to hurt.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
Someone, absolutely, And I think any anything in life really
has the potential to be utilized for good or to
cause harm. So I'd love to just explain a bit
further since we've talked so much about compatibility as well
amy doing so with a certain levity. And yet you know,
when people are matching fund laison, as you said, making
you marry a tree and this and that, that levity
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is lost, it can be quite oppressive and quite.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
Even quite harmful.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
So do you want to just explain to people how
so you know how different this is from that, let's say,
or I don't.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
Actually I don't want to put words in your mouth.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
Sure, I just want to sort of reconcile the different
ways in which divination has been used historically and can
be used, as well as how we can all try
and get the most out of it, you know, enjoy
the insight and perspective and even enjoy that it can
bring to get to know yourself and others this way
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while minimizing and mitigating any potential for harm.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
So, from what I understand, you're talking about Kundli matching
right or scope matching, where traditionally astrologers looked at the
bird chart of potential partners and said, hey, is this
going to work or not? And you have to understand
that that system was created at a time where the
partners didn't necessary they need each other, so the parameters
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were different. So I would say again, in some way
the system is wild. For instance, you will you can
know specifics about sexual compatibility based on apparently what yoni
you have, which is the there are certain animal references
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that are used, and that that particular point amongst thirty
six points, will give you a very clear indication of
whether you and your partner are sexually compatible. Okay, So then,
like I said, it is specific, but it has a
lot to do with culture and progeny and you know,
right partner for kids, whereas the rules that apply then
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don't necessarily apply to us. So a lot of people
that I know, the way that I want to say
say it is that love transcends all. So I don't
care if you have three points matching or thirty six
points matching, because what's more important is how much you
are willing to show up yourself and your partner, and
(49:03):
if you're willing to do the work to make that
relationship work right, because love is not just love is
a verb. Right, I can love you, but am I
willing to show up and work on that relationship If
I say, like, for you know, getting that eternity tattoo
or saying I do in front of your friends and
family members is not enough. Every single day I put
that love into action and that is what defines my relationship.
(49:27):
And so coming back to clients, I do have a
lot of them who I know are deeply in love
with each other and sort of feel the sense of
opposition from their families because up undert told them that
this isn't going to work for xby said reasons and
my guidance.
Speaker 3 (49:45):
I always to me, it's.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
My go to. It's the cards to tap into whatever
higher sources which is their spirit, guides or source to
get the guidance that is going to enable them to
make their journey smoother. So, like I said, it's always
guidance space. It's hey, this is going to work. But
maybe this is how you navigate an argument, or this
is how you navigate family friction. To kind of give
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them helpful tools and to remind them that Ultimately, it
is on you to create your best relationship.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
Love Chance sends everything. What a great note to wrap
up on, Zora, Thanks so much.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
We come. Would you like to tell people where they
can find you? Absolutely so.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
I'm woodstok onderscore Witch at Instagram and woodstock which dot com.
Some of you have already connected with me through the
daily weekly horoscopes, but you can find a bunch of
different services, offerings, upcoming workshops and retreats on the website.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
Thank you, thanks so much, and thank you so much
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Speaker 1 (51:09):
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Speaker 3 (51:49):
Don't miss it.
Have you ever found yourself looking up the zodiac sign
of a crush just to check if you'd be compatible,
or looked at your weekly horoscope wondering if there's love
on the cards. I'm Lisa Mandodas and this is love Matters,
and today we're going to be gliding through the galaxies
of divination and love. And to do that with me
today is Zorashakti. She's an astrologer, a psychic, a tarot
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card reader, crystal healer, someone who's really immersed herself in
the world of cosmic intelligence, and as someone who knows
very little about the subject and has veered towards skepticism
thus far, I am so looking forward to learning all
about it. Zorah, thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Thanks so much for having me. I'm so so excited
to glide through the cosmos, as you said, and you know,
talk about astrology and talk about the numbers and talk
about how they have a profound impact on our lives.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Absolutely, I was very intrigued when you leave out the
Tara deeck. You also put those crystals down town. Absolutely
tell me about them.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Okay, So the green one you see there is flow right,
and the whitish pink one is a Himalian cords okay.
So the green one is actually great for communication and
ideas and inspiration. So that little friend there is going
to give us some cosmic zoomies.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Love it, okay. And the pink one's it.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Just to enhance communication, give us a little more clarity.
All in all, these pistles are meant to, let's say,
make us feel a little more tuned in, a little
more inspired to the cosmic flow of intelligence.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
So, h what got you interested in divination?
Speaker 1 (01:46):
How did you discover this world as well as your
aptitude for it?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I want to say that I've always been a curious child,
and I think it comes from having a lot of
air placements, have an Aquarius rising and a couple of
other stuff. One of the things that I believe in
is always being a student and always being a teacher,
you know, so always being ever present to that flow
of energy, which means literally nerding out, reading as many
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books as you can, listening to as many podcast courses,
but also always passing that energy forward, you know, finding
out lets to share it with other people in whatever
way that they can understand, in a way that's real
and relatable. So to settle back to your question, it's
definitely my curiosity and my never ending urge to know
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more about the way that the cosmos works, and most
importantly for me, these tools of divinations, A divination answer
the question why am I the way I am?
Speaker 3 (02:45):
And why are you the way you are?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Right, So, in a way, it's so deeply personal and
psychological because we tend to understand divination is merely something
that focuses on future predictions versus I want to understand
why I am the way that I am? What is
my essence? What are my gifts? What am I here
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to do?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
A lot of that I want to know.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I want to ask you all about why I am
the way I am.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I am looking forward to getting into that, but before
we before.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
We get it too that, I wanted to also ask
what you make of the new found enthusiasm and curiosity
of what we used around astrology and tarror and all
of these absolutely sort of alternative modes of knowledge that
gen Z and millennials seem to like we are in
an astrohole era. When asked for right, why what do
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you think has contributed to this sort of like resurgence,
like of faith, even right, and the popularity around these
modes of knowing.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
We grew up with a very rigid system in the
way that I have profound respect for Joe Tish as
a system, but the way that that information was passed
on to us made us feel limited. It didn't make
us feel like we can spread our wings and fly.
But the difference between modern practitioners and say, the more
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traditional astrologers is that we acknowledge the role of freeel right. So,
for instance, Lisa, I can tell you that your rising
is Taurus, but I can either tell you in a
way that empowers you to go out there and live
your purpose and live your truth, or I can tell
you in a way that makes you feel that the
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cards that were handed down to you are somehow negative.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Are you understanding what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
And I think that for our generation, astrology and all
of these other tools comes with a sense of freedom
because it helps you in this journey of self discovery.
But it also in a way helps you understand that
you're not restricted by what's written in your chart. You
are here to understand yourself better, break patterns and rewrite
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the story.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
And what do you make of the business side of
this sort of rise in popularity. You know, today the
astrotech industry already in India is like a multi billion
dollar industry, and holistic wellness globally that often co opts
some of the language and mechanisms of divination.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Is a multi trillion dollar industry.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
So do you think that there's something both for consumers
and practitioners to be mindful of in terms of retaining
the spiritual integrity of this while also leaning into the
fact that it's a massive market opportunity.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Absolutely. I really like that you use the word integrity
because that's so important for any practitioner to understand.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
And I would like.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
To be politically incorrect here and say don't go to
anybody who induces fear.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Okay, So if someone.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Tells you that if you don't do this pooja, or
if you don't do this, or if you don't marry
a potter, a tree or a plant, you don't for
the rest of your life, please pack.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Your belongings and run home. Thank you?
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Right, yes, of course, So don't let anybody sell you fear.
You are the boss of you. This is your chart.
But again, I'm going to keep coming back to this.
You're not restricted by it. You're not limited by it.
It's your cosmic blueprint, it's your map. Take everything with
a pinch of salt, including what I tell you. And
I always tell this to my clients and my readers. Ultimately,
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it is your actions and your decisions that define the
course of your life. This is a map, This is
a guideline, and take it, absorb it, synthesize it, and
then play with it.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I think that so often people come to these sort
of sources of knowledge that seems less easy to define.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
I suppose at periods.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Of feeling lost, you know, absolutely when something goes wrong,
you're willing to at least that's been my experience, and
I think it's so unfortunate that some people pray on
that state of vulnerability. Right, It's definitely something to be
mindful of.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Yeah, yeah, and we can sense it in our bones.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Right.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
If you're in a space where don't, I say, don't
look for logic.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
You know, someone would have recommended a practitioner that worked
for them, but you're sitting in their studio and you're
somehow feeling drained or depleted and instead of feeling like
instead of feeling replenish instead of feeling like you're ready
to embrace your sense of purpose.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Again, that's your red flag.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Don't stay. Don't let anybody make those decisions for you
or tell you that you're doomed in.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Some way to play the devil's advocate for a second.
What do you say to people who dismiss these sorts
of modes of knowing as unscientific or fake?
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Oh I love it. I have no time to convince
for anybody who doesn't believe in magic, but I will
tell you this, Lisa. So I've never been a skeptic.
I've always been a believer of magic. I just didn't
know what that meant as a kid, and that's where
the exploration started, you know. So we use this term
called coming out of the spiritual closet because when you're younger,
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you don't want everyone to know that you have a
secret stash of cards or a book on spells, or
like little red candle stashtory somewhere. So when I did
come out of the spiritual clauset, so to speak, I
tiptoed a little, you know, because I didn't want to
let my freak flag fly immediately.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Freak flag. I love that. I'm going to use that
you shit.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, But I've been incredibly lucky in the way that
I've always been met with curiosity. So when I decided
I want to take this step and I want to
embrace this is my life path and my passion, you know,
it became this strange, little secret club that I would
go to party and everyone's a little tipsy and having
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this conversation about superficial conversations, and then someone pulls me
in a corner and then starts talking to me about
dreams or visions of their past life. And I was like, okay, really, like,
weren't you talking about the most mundane top I mean,
I'm not saying this in a judgmental way, but I'm
talking about it in a way that, you know, someone
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could have been talking about, say fashion or politics.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Or something like that.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
And then suddenly they pull me in a corner and
I see this whole new side of them. And I
think when I first, like I said, started sharing my practice,
I had these sort of biases, you know that women
would be more receptive, or you know, certain kinds of
people would be more receptive. But I want to say
that spirituality am using it as an umbrella. Term is
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for absolutely everybody, men, women, irrespective of your gender, your cast,
your race. Because I feel like people shy away from
talking about their uote unquote surreal or mystical experiences because
it makes them feel weird in some way. It makes
them feel like they're going to be singled out or
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people are going to make fun of them. But for me,
like I said, it's been wonderful because somehow people just
found the safe space to start talking about their mystical
experiences and seeing it as quote unquote normal.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
So I don't actually, to answer your question, I.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Don't actually meet as many skeptics. I meet people who
pretend to be skeptic and then find a safe space
to share their experiences.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
I wonder if I am guilty as charged. I haven't
come out of the spiritual closet yet. But we shall,
we shall today, we shall absolute it, we shall today. Okay,
So I am since this is love matters, I am
eager to keep picking your brains about how we can
use the perspectives and insights from all of the various
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modes that you are familiar with to gain perspective on
our relationships. But I'm happy to also offer myself as
the guinea pig were we to use it. Absolutely is
my charts or cards or whatever as an example for
listeners to also understand the capacity for insight that these
modes provide. So I thought, we've absolutely astrology, sure for
the uninitiated, which I myself like barely know anything about.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Honestly, what is astrology?
Speaker 1 (11:24):
How does it work? What is a birth chart? What
are the Big three? Sand Moon rising? You tried to
take me through it a sermon to go before we started.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Yeah, let's break it down like you might not really
know much.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Absolutely, my endeavors to keep it simple because I want
everybody to be able to understand this. So I'm not
going to go into the complexities of sinistry. But let's
talk about the bird chart, right, So it is the
map of the sky on the day that you were born.
And I think it's it's wild. It's not a coincidence.
It's the precise moment you said, Okay, I'm getting on
a spaceship and I'm landing here, right, so you're your
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planet replacements are defined by that precise moment.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Now coming to.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
The Big three, right, most of us would say, okay,
I'm Libra, or I'm Cancer, or I'm Gemini, which essentially
means that I'm a Libra son or in your case,
you're a Gemini son. Of course we know what the
sun sign is, but I want to again, I'll give
you a few keywords. Think of the sun as the soul,
so your purpose where you shine the most. And think
of the moon as not just your body, but your
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emotional body. Right, it's and I think the moon is
so at least for me. I think that the moon
is so interesting because when you first meet the sun,
or when you first meet a person, you get a
sense of.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Their rising and their sun.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
When you know them intimately, you'll see the moon, okay,
because that's how you relate to people that you actually
care about, that you're close to. So in any sort
of relationship, the tonic, romantic, anything, when you're close to somebody,
I feel like your moon really shines through. Right.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Where is your rising is?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
You know, the overarching, the overarching plan, the patterns, what
drives you, what motivates you, the larger picture of what
your life is going to look like.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Yeah, that's really interesting. So what would it?
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Okay, So let's say you said I have Gemini son
and Gemini and we had a hard time figuring out
what rising I have. But what would let's say you
have that knowledge, what can you infer about a person
from that?
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Like, Okay, I hear a lot of people who are
very into astrology.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Asking that, for example, before going out with like, you know,
iguing whether they'll go on a date with this person.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
So what can one tell?
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Is there so much that can be inferred from simply
those facts about a person?
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Absolutely? Or should you give them a chance?
Speaker 2 (13:48):
You know?
Speaker 3 (13:49):
You should give everybody a chance?
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Thank you. Yes, I'm always going to say that this
is true, and that is true. I don't think that
we can be so rigid because I could I know
for a fact that you have a Gemini son, and
I could have another woman who probably shares not just
not just your son sign, but your birthday, and you
will still have very different ways of expressing that essence,
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you know. So I think that, yeah, basically, give everybody
a chance. You don't know until you actually meet them
and discover them, right, And I mean in the beginning,
we're all wearing masks, and the more you get to
know people, like I said, you're.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Going to see the moon.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
You're going to see how they are intimately, You're going
to see You're going to see the vulnerabilities, the strengths,
all of it. So don't be rigid about and don't
stereotype people. Oh you're a Gemini, you must be like that.
And I'm using that example of Gemini because that's the
most hated sign on the internet.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Really, Oh my goodness, why we hate it?
Speaker 2 (14:48):
See? Now, that's the thing, right. People will say, oh,
gemini Is are two faced and all of that, but
what they will not say is that Geminis are incredibly creative. Okay,
you can talk to them about It's wild. You can
talk to them about anything from from politics to astrology
to like what is the right sea salt to use
for this recipe? Does that make sense? Yeah? So it's
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it's I think talking to Gemini badly hated. You want to.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
I'm so intrigued.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
I'm going to go back to the uh, they have
a bad rep forming two face then.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
God relationships in general in.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
General, because apparently they're going to gossip and take information
from here and give.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
It really yeah, so interesting. I'm so antisocial. I don't
even need any gossip.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Okay, Yeah, yeah, right, and that's why that definition does
not apply to you.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Interesting. Yeah, what's the most beloved sign on the internet?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Scorpio? No, actually, I was gonna say that after Gemini,
Scorpio is the most hated.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Oh but I get there's like lots of stereotypes around
scorpios being like the most friends, lovers and things like that.
At least I see that on Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Absolutely, but then also apparently.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
They're jealous and possessive and vengeful, but they're also I see,
maybe the best lover that you're going to have.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
So do you think that the stereotypes and the internet
memes sort of discoss that you know, teenagers or whatever
are having around these signs are mainly just banter or
there is some truth to these stereotypes.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
I think it's the same thing. Take everything with a
grain of salt. I want to say that everything literally,
everything has shadow and light. Right. So again, if you're
talking about, say cancer, they're supposed to be I mean,
it's the sign of the mother. So even men in
general are supposed to have that I want to say
sensitive or artistic side, and they're more tuned into your
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emotions and stuff like that, which is a wonderful quality
for any human being to have. Right, But that is
the light aspect, right, But everybody university has light aspects
and shadow aspects. So the shadow can be that they
go like the crab. Right, So this it is the
sign of the crab. So you don't know when they're
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going to bite you or attack you, or get cranky
about or moody about something. So what I'm trying to
say is it's important to look at everything holistically. You're
not just your You're not just your son. Your mon
is literally it's it's a chart with twelve houses, nine planets,
and all of them are you know, interacting and playing
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with each other. And so if I reduce you to
just being your son or your moan, I'm not seeing
you as an as a whole individual.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Should we move on to taro then absolutely, yeah, So
what let's let's start with how taro works for the
uninitiated and what one can hope to learn from or like,
how best to utilize.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
So should you be seeking answers.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Absolutely, specific questions get specific answers, So it's always good
to come in with an intention. But also don't be rigid,
because I think that for me Tara is like storytelling.
You know, you're pulling out all of these cards. They're
so rich in images and symbology. So that's one aspect,
because every card has a certain meaning, has a certain definition,
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and how they laid out will tell you how they're
interacting with each other. Again, as we spoke about in
the bird chat, they have colors. I mean you're looking
at the colors, you're looking at symbols, you're looking at
numbers and the other and the other element is of
course your intuition, which I can say that I would
assume that most readers are also tuning into a higher force,
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like they're sort of channeling or channeling information or their
mediums in some way. So the way that the cards
are laid out will tell you a story. But then
there's that other element of what you are receiving as
a divine download in that moment, which gives you an
additional layer to this story. The third thing is again
I'm going to come back to curiosity, because if I'm
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not willing to listen to you, I can't answer your
question right. So as a reader, don't be afraid to
ask questions. You don't know everything right, So understand where
the person is that what they're struggling with, because that
will help you, you know, that will enhance your reading,
It will help you uncover deeper layers.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Okay, I have a question before we before we pull
some cards. I think that when one is contemplating seeing
a psychic or you know, one, fear is being told
bad news.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
And I think some mediums may like manipulate you based
on realizing how vulnerable you are, as we were about, and
some might choose not to. I mean, what is it
possible with specificity to really determine that a negative event
you know of such and such magn dude, is going
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to just by looking at a card? Or do you
think that there's that it is common for practitioners without
sufficient integrity to simply scare and you know, to just
like utilize that power that they wielded over a absolutely
willing I don't know, lost soul hoping to you know
what I mean? If someone told me something awful, I
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think it's more likely I'm going to come back. Yeah,
but can you both joyful and awful? Can you how
specifically the answers that reveal themselves to you?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Generally it can be really specific. I will also say
that sometimes in rare cases, you're also guided to not
share everything.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Okay, but again, I want to go back.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
To it being a tool of guidance, which means that
nothing is absolute. If I tell you Lisa, this is
going to happen on August eighteen, twenty twenty six, but
you're just like, no, I'm going to stay at home.
You know, I don't need to go meet this person.
I don't need to go to the buy where I've
been invited for x YS. There's a chance that that
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encounter or that episode might not play out because you're
choosing not to act on it. So, like I said, okay,
there is destiny. There are certain things that are pivotal
that I don't want to say they are written. I
want to say that you, on a higher level have
written that before you came here, and now you're just
and now you're just like, wait, did I decide that?
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Yes you did, and now you're uncovering it through the cards.
But there is so much more scope for you to
understand this is where I want to go and what
can I do to get there, rather than looking at
it as an absolute Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (21:41):
So would you say that people benefit from a shift
in mindset. We're instead of seeing yourself as a passive
sort of victim of whatever has been written, like it is,
there's nothing you can do about it. It is, you know,
preordained all like this is a prediction and I'm telling
you what will happen? Do you think that in a
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way when you said you've written it? Yeah, that one's
own free will and agency should be honored at all
points where you where one instead of feeling a lack
of control or helplessness. Absolutely, actually one is very much
a participant in how everything you needed it.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
You couldn't have described it in a more accurate way,
like I said, I mean this and that is true.
I can't say that destiny is not playing out right.
You are on in a certain country and a certain family.
There is a container, there are certain circumstances at play.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
But what are you doing with that elements?
Speaker 2 (22:37):
That's on you? Right?
Speaker 3 (22:39):
And why did I say it's you?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Because it's very easy to say it is written. But
the reason that I'm saying you have written it is
because we are consciously creating our reality. Before a soul
chooses to be born, it's sitting in this conference room
with other beings which could be your ancestors or higher
dimensional beings, having this cosmic conference and saying, Okay, this
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is the lesson I didn't learn. This is a person
that clearly I was really mean too, So now I
have to go make amends and stuff like that. You know.
So there is that element of why have you attracted
this person because you clearly have pending karma? But now
how are you going to make amends here? Right?
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Or how are you going to heal this relationship?
Speaker 2 (23:21):
But more importantly, how are you going to heal that
pattern within you that creates this circumstance?
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Again and again, should we should we?
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Should we see what these cards absolutely as well?
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Today? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Yeah, so let's get specifically, sa, why don't you tell me?
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Of course, sticking to the topic.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Of love and relationships, why don't you tell me where
you are and what would you like to uncover through
the cards? And I'm going to ask you to just
gently touch this with your left hand.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Yes, okay, yes, and go on.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
The cards are listening, so I should tell you where
I'm at right now?
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah, give me, give me a little bit of a background.
What is your intention? What would you like to uncover.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
I think I've prioritized work so much in my life
in the last several years that my romantic life has
not been a priority.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
But I'm also.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Aware of the fact that unfortunately, female biology has a
you know, in terms of like were you ever to
have a child or which That's why I always thought
I definitely don't want, but I want. Sometimes you just
like reevaluate what you've believed thus far about yourself. I
guess I think that I have some things to learn
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about what I actually want. Like, I think I've not
been in relationships with intention. I suppose I wasn't that
concerned with the end result.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (24:44):
If I like someone, care about them and they're precerding
to my life, Okay, So I wonder what do the next.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Five years hold for me.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
In terms of my romantic life. Am I going to
get married? Will I have children? I have like very
consciously rejected those possibilities.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
That's far if that.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Right, okay, which is say, sticking to the norm in
some way what was expected.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
I would never do these things, Okay. I just wonder
whether the I don't know the forces at play.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
I think otherwise, So we've laid out your cards, We've
laid off my cards on this scale.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Of zero to ten. How real would you like me
to wait? Ten?
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Amazing? So I'm going to start in no particular order.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
I'll tell you a little bit about this.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
So I'm using a classic ride away deck. Okay. There
are many interpretations. Are a ride away to deck. Okay,
that's that's the name of the deck. It's one of
the most classic decks out there, and there are one
hundred interpretations. But I chose this specifically for today because
the images are very literal, okay. And I'm going to
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start and the reading that you see here. The cards
are laid out way, but I'm not going to go
in leanar order because I don't do that. But I'm
going to pick up a few cards and explain it
to you. And this is the card that a lot
of people despice.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
It's the devil card, okay.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
And the devil card actually resembles the lover's card, which
I'd probably pull out at some point, and in a
romantic relationship or in a romantic reading, that's the card.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
You want to see.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
And if I had to compare the two, you would
see the Lover's card is a little more as a
colorful version of this one minus the chains. Okay. So
the devil here can signify multiple things. It can signify
self sabotaging patterns, okay, it can The chains here can
(26:45):
also signify where we're feeling restricted.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
In our lives. Okay.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Now, if I were to zoom out of your reading
and simply kind of tell you the overacting message, I
tell you your journey right now. Now, you know you
put this specific time period of five years, I would
say that your journey is about you, okay, And that
doesn't mean the lack of the other. But I'm saying
(27:13):
that this is such an individual journey, and I don't
want to say oh professional and personal, I mean individual journey.
Whatever that means to you. That your lesson right now
is to learn how to prioritize the me and the
way okay, and to consciously choose partners that if I
(27:35):
were to put it bluntly, not distract you from your
path and purpose. Okay, And what that means again, I
want to go back to the chains, because I know
that's something that you have spoken about to me a
little bit about feeling stifled by more conventional forms of
relating right, Like I say, you question why one should
(27:57):
get married or you know, live in a certain format,
and your dialogue with yourself or your your journey of
self discovery right now is actually I don't see lack
of partners or lack of options because you're starting with
two aces, right, and this is a great card to
have because you're starting with the ace of ones, which
is literally like it's an offering right, very it's like
(28:19):
a phallixim literally okay, because the cards are very visual
and it's about it. It's about heat and passion and
desire and the Ace of Pentacles here is also saying
that it is there is a possibility for you to
solidify that connection. It's not just something privilege that's in
the air. You know, you can say, okay, this I
(28:41):
sense meaning here and I want to invest in this connection.
And just going by mid dutive sense of things, I
feel like it's not limited to one.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
There are a few options that will come your way.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
But for you, it could be a phrase moment.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Where you take a step forward.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
But the devil plays out in the way that you
are varied repeating patterns from your past. You're you're worried of,
you know, sabotaging it in some way. But that's where
the journey of introspection starts, because it's for you to understand.
Sometimes understanding not this is a part of understanding. This
is what I actually want? Right And I know no one,
(29:19):
no one really likes this, but spiritually, when you when
you look at it, the person in front of me
is a mirror and they're helping me basically understand myself better.
So I'm not clorifying a partner who is, you know,
just bad news or a red flag. But I'm saying
that it's not always about it's too simplistic to say
(29:41):
that you're the bad guy, but more about understanding what
patterns are being mirried to me and how can I
use this container to maybe break certain patterns so clarify
my intentions and get into truly get into alignment put
with what I want from a partnership. And a lot
of it is also going to be about deconditioning yourself.
(30:04):
And if you really just embrace that journey and take
it as Okay, it's a game, let's do this. You know,
it's all just a divine comedy. I feel like you
come out of this speriod with a greater sense of
clarity about what you want and lighter, just feeling lighter,
you know, like you work through all of this karmic
(30:25):
baggage and you can almost start, you can start a
relationship with the not naivety, but in a sense of
a teenager.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
I like that. Yeah, what is the fool card? And
that's exactly where they of the teenager?
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Yeah, because it's it's number zero, right, and that's the
very first card of the deck where you're standing at
the edge of the cliff and you're ready to jump
into the unknown. So you're coming out of this space
where you work through all of this baggage. You've been
in the space of awareness and your journey takes you
to that point where you're like, you know what, I'm
ready to start with a sense of lightness and rightness.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Thank you for that.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
That was so sweet that I like the wand these
of wants, don't we all?
Speaker 3 (31:12):
So do you sometimes do a reading for yourself? Of course?
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Okay, so here's the thing, I know the red flags.
But would that stop me from jumping in anyway?
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Probably not, probably not.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
So how often would you like, would you say that
the taro or even if the birth chart and stuff
play quite a big road in your own made selection,
do I really.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Want to put it out?
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Okay, now you know I'm kidding.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I'm kidding. Okay, So here's what I Here's what I
tell everyone, which is that it's a great tool of awareness.
So unless it's you know, literally giving me like five crosses,
then I'm going to look at that as divine guidance
and choose not to explore something. But if it is
a relationship that's meaningful for me, then that then the
(32:04):
spread or the chart is like a sort of guidance
on what I can work on, how I can make
it juicier. So that's how I like to look at it.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
And have you found that your sort of.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Intuitions or insights from these sources to always be very accurate?
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Have you ever been surprised a person ever surprised you?
Speaker 2 (32:29):
I think I also make a conscious effort, a conscious
decision to leave room for surprises. So I don't want
to overplan things. I'm in the human experience and I
want to be in the human experience.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
So let's move on to numerology.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Okay, how is it either connected or distinct from tariff
and astrology, and what should someone who knows nothing about
it understand?
Speaker 2 (32:53):
So I want to say it's all connected. If you see,
if you look at the cards, they all have certain numbers.
Every number is associated with a certain planet. So in
a way, it also connects with your birth chat. In
your case you are at twenty five, that's just your the.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Day on which the lawn, yes, the day of the month.
Absolutely is your primary number or something.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yes, your personality number. So in your case it would
be a seven.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
So it's always the sum of the digits, Yes, a
single digit. It's only from one to nine.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Absolutely, unless it is eleven or twenty two, which are
master numbers, so you don't reduce that to two O four.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Let's say I'm born on the twenty fifty, Yes, i
am seven two plus.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Five absolutely, and that is the number of K two okay,
which is actually very misunderstood energy. But if I had
to simplify and tell you that a few things that
I could tell you about the number is that they
are great with research. You know, they are really great
when it comes to uncovering the truth about something. It
could be a PhD, or it could be the mysteries
(33:57):
of life, or anything at all, depending on what they
are curious about. They're also very instinctive people. So if
a seven tells me this is something that I follow.
If A seven tells me, Okay, this person vibes are
off or this situation not.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Going to work for you, I'll just believe them.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
I don't need you to give me logic. I'll just
believe you.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Does that resonate in any way? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I mean I think I've always benefited from listening to
my gut. Okay, although I reserve usually don't tell other
people what to do, but maybe I should.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
I'm just going to tell them what say. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
But so okay, so that's your your main personality, your
personality number and what was and then when you do
the sums still number, that's your destiny numbers.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
It would be like your month plus the day per
Sillar year. Yes, the some of those digits. Do you
feel like a little bit of math? Yeah, sure, let's
do it.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Two plus five plus five is twelve plus one plus
nine is twenty two plus nine is twenty No thirty one.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Okay, so you're nineteen ninety Yeah, that's one because all right,
nine plus anything, okay, would be that digit. So nine
plus nine plus one is one oh.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Nine plus one. So nine plus nine plus one plus
like one plus nine plus nine plus Yes, we're doing
from complication one. Okay, let's reduce. I hope listeners are following.
Stay with us, Okay, stay with us. Okay.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
So nine plus nine is eighteen, yes, eighteen plus one
is nineteen okay, one plus nine set is ten.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Yes, so we get one.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
So we reduced your we reduce nineteen ninety to one.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Okay. You're born in the month of May May, so
that's a five.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
So we've reduced your birth number to seven plus five
plus one.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Now let's do the math. Twelve no, sorry, thirteen.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Thirteen okay, now reduce that to a single digit. Perfect, right.
So that is the number of rahu Urdus. So it's
it's the destiny number. What it's the overarching picture of
your life. It's what's going to drive you.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
And a simple way to look at four is that
it's a master builder. It really it's it's it's the
number that builds.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Strong, strong foundations. You know, whether that means it could
literally be building a business as in your case, there's
always something a little unusual or a little out of
the box in the way that they will do it.
So if you're expecting a four to stick to the
tried and tested or to follow the rule book, then
(36:36):
you're going to be really disappointed.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
I see.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Yeah, So don't embrace the embrace it. Embrace what makes.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
You weird and wonderful with your weird fla free flag,
your freak flag.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Literally right, And of course said that also plays out
in compatibility in a way where, like I said, certain
numbers are just naturally more compatible with other numbers, and
certain numbers have a hard time understanding other numbers, again
because of how the planets interact with each other, and
that's where friction aizes. And now a simple way to
(37:13):
you know, how we say that oppositees attract, right, I
think that's perhaps too simplistic because the way that I
like to look at it is it's like intersecting circles. Right.
There has to be something, There has to be some
relatability or commonality, but there also has to be some differences,
(37:36):
which leads me to be curious about going back to
the eternal.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Question, why are you the way you are?
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Right?
Speaker 1 (37:44):
I think that viewers and listeners might enjoy, you know,
being able to take something from this conversation into their
own lives.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
You know, you mentioned that some numbers are more compatible
with others, and we talked a little bit when we
talk about astrology about this sort of characteristics associated with
each sign. Should we like lean into that a little?
I'm always, you know, like, what what might I be
like in a like what might my sign or my
element or my number to be like I think everyone
(38:14):
likes hearing, you know, insight that they can apply to
their own lives. So do you want to take us
through what.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
The main sun sign?
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Like?
Speaker 3 (38:22):
What the sun signs are like, which ones tend to
be compatible? Element? Maybe?
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah, sure, let's look at the elements.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
That's if you're not that's.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
A great way to you know, to get to get
an overarching sense of somebody. And so I don't want
to say all aquarians or all can settings. I want
to say aqueris placements because that's a way of saying
that that could be your sun new moon. It could be,
like I said, the Mars or the Weieness sign. Right,
So I'm going to try to make it a little
(38:50):
juicy with examples. But let's talk about the elements, because
that's such a great way, that's such a fundamental understanding. Right, So,
why don't you tell me what what what does the
earth do? What if I told you someone was an
Earth sign, what what sense would that give you?
Speaker 3 (39:07):
The thing grounded? Yeah, stable, reliable, I don't.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Know, absolutely absolutely, and the very tactile, right Like for instance,
uh Trus is known to be one of the most
sensual signs. Right. So, like an example that I could
give you a typical torrient date night would be going
to like a really fancy Michelin star restaurant where you
(39:32):
can you're you're You're not just feasting. It's not just
about the taste. It's about the visual experience. It's about
dressing up, it's about putting on an ice perfume and
all in all, indulging all of your senses. Yeah, let's
talk let's talk water. If I told you that I'm
a water sign, what would you imagine my personality to be?
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Like fluid, soothing, right, maybe even nurturing.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Like absolutely, no, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
Yeah, helping things grow I don't know, yeah, yeah, yeah,
artistics sensitive, way more tuned into your their emotions in
their light more tuned into their emotions and the emotions
of their other person.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
I give you the example of a tourist state night
for cancer. It could be something entirely different. It could
be a meal that's more soothing, like a comfort meal.
But because it's the sign of home. Maybe I'm not
to say that they can't be fun or playful. They
could have all of these other qualities, but for them,
having somebody inviting somebody into their sacred space is like
(40:43):
I said, it is their sacred space. So it's a
big deal to give somebody that sort of gate pass,
you know, as opposed to somebody who is way more
social and always has friends.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Over right, So their.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Love languages, maybe cooking for you or literally like letting
you come into their house or making you meet their
family or their pet and those kinds, and through all
of these little things, they're letting you know that I
care and I'm letting you into my life.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Yeah, I suppose people.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Should go look up whether they're an air sign or
I mean a earth sign or water sign or whatever
if they don't already know.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Absolutely apply some of these absolutely, But like I said,
it's always a mix of different things. Like say you're
a Gemini sun, but you have a tourist rising, right,
So I can't reduce it to one. But I can
say that maybe you have more placements in water signs
or earth signs, and that would in some way feature
(41:43):
in the way that you interact with other people. How
that shows up in your relationships?
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Right, So we have air signs left, right, we have
air and file, air and fire.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Sorry, but also I'm sorry, I'm interrupted to say that
water and earth are generally more compatible with each other.
There's a greater sense of I get you. And with
fire and earth because it's upward moving energy, there's more
sense of adventure and let's try something new and let's
get our hands dirty, or let's go on the strip together.
Speaker 5 (42:14):
You know.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
So there is Yeah, there's there's a deeper sense of
understanding in these elements.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
And do do two people who have the same elements
like fire on fire earth and tend.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
To they can? Like I said, there's no love is
not logical, right, But okay, let's let's say fire. What
would you imagine the qualities of a fire signed to be.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
Volatility?
Speaker 4 (42:43):
So I don't know, passion, yeah, yes, for lax zuberns, yeah,
absolutely not afraid to shine.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Right, their love language could be motivating their partner.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
What is what am I?
Speaker 2 (42:56):
So you have a lot of Gemini placements from what
I am? This? In your big three you have a
son and moon both in Gemini And that's an air sign, right.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
So, which the Internet hates.
Speaker 5 (43:08):
I don't you're sitting with an AIRSI oh, okay, But
with air signs, I always say, now, personally speaking, I
think intellect is such a turn on.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Which is such a turn on, Like you could have
the most beautiful gym body in the world, but if
you can't turn me on with your words, you can't turn.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
Me on, you know.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
I'm sure you relate to that. Yeah. So, but going
back to your question about fire and fire, right, because
it is passion, is it is exuberance? Now, they could
fuel each other in the way that you know, I
motivate you, you motivate me, and we both have big
goals energy and this zest for life.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
Or it could lead to a lot of frick.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
Too much yeah, too much fire, you know, with air signs,
maybe there's just too much space, too much freedom, and
no one calls each other because they were waiting for
the other person to call or they could really or
they could or they could inspire each other in the
way that there's always more conversation. There's deep conversation. They're
(44:13):
inspiring each other, they're curious, they're going for they're going
doing courses together or exploring new cultures together.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
So it can go both ways. There will always be a.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Deeper sense of understanding, you know, even in friendships. But
like I said, how much is too much?
Speaker 3 (44:30):
Interesting?
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Was there anything else we want to repeat about air
science because we didn't give.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Them, Yeah, we didn't give them enough firstime, Well why
don't you tell me?
Speaker 3 (44:39):
What do you think about? Perfect? No air science?
Speaker 1 (44:46):
Probably I don't know, filled with self doubt, unable to commit.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
Yeah, that's just roast me.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Yeah, I tend to, I think, be very conflict of
a yes, okay, but I don't know if all air
signs are like this. Sure maybe, but I think like
a difficult a reluctance to commit sounds quite airing.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Yes, absolutely absolutely, But like I said, I mean that's
the thing, right, they need to be intellectually stimulated. Like yes,
I mean everything every connection is inherently mind, body, and spirit.
But with all air signs, but especially Gemini, every day
is not the same day. You can't give them the
same package every day. It's not gonna work, right, So
(45:34):
there has to be an element of fun and spontaneity
and sometimes unpredictability. And I don't mean that in a
bad way. I'm not seeing be a red flag, but
I'm saying keep it fun, you know.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Now, this has been so much fun, honestly, And I
think that when divination is presented in the way that
you do, in this way that's so empathetic and so
fulfilled with compacts and also with you know, self awareness
and humor, and it has this lightness to it which
feels like a wonderful way to get to know yourself
(46:09):
better without any kind of high stakes that stand to
get in my way or you know, make me afraid
or all of that.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
Stuff, which is why I really really enjoyed this.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
But I also want to acknowledge that, unfortunately, sometimes astrology
is used in our culture, particularly you know, to prevent
people from being able to be with the one that
they love, or to induce all kinds of irrational beliefs
and things. So I want to also address as we
wrap like what makes this you know, Let's say you
have a kitchen knife.
Speaker 3 (46:39):
You can use it to make dinner, you can use
it to hurt.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
Someone, absolutely, And I think any anything in life really
has the potential to be utilized for good or to
cause harm. So I'd love to just explain a bit
further since we've talked so much about compatibility as well
amy doing so with a certain levity. And yet you know,
when people are matching fund laison, as you said, making
you marry a tree and this and that, that levity
(47:02):
is lost, it can be quite oppressive and quite.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
Even quite harmful.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
So do you want to just explain to people how
so you know how different this is from that, let's say,
or I don't.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
Actually I don't want to put words in your mouth.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
Sure, I just want to sort of reconcile the different
ways in which divination has been used historically and can
be used, as well as how we can all try
and get the most out of it, you know, enjoy
the insight and perspective and even enjoy that it can
bring to get to know yourself and others this way
(47:37):
while minimizing and mitigating any potential for harm.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
So, from what I understand, you're talking about Kundli matching
right or scope matching, where traditionally astrologers looked at the
bird chart of potential partners and said, hey, is this
going to work or not? And you have to understand
that that system was created at a time where the
partners didn't necessary they need each other, so the parameters
(48:01):
were different. So I would say again, in some way
the system is wild. For instance, you will you can
know specifics about sexual compatibility based on apparently what yoni
you have, which is the there are certain animal references
(48:22):
that are used, and that that particular point amongst thirty
six points, will give you a very clear indication of
whether you and your partner are sexually compatible. Okay, So then,
like I said, it is specific, but it has a
lot to do with culture and progeny and you know,
right partner for kids, whereas the rules that apply then
(48:42):
don't necessarily apply to us. So a lot of people
that I know, the way that I want to say
say it is that love transcends all. So I don't
care if you have three points matching or thirty six
points matching, because what's more important is how much you
are willing to show up yourself and your partner, and
(49:03):
if you're willing to do the work to make that
relationship work right, because love is not just love is
a verb. Right, I can love you, but am I
willing to show up and work on that relationship If
I say, like, for you know, getting that eternity tattoo
or saying I do in front of your friends and
family members is not enough. Every single day I put
that love into action and that is what defines my relationship.
(49:27):
And so coming back to clients, I do have a
lot of them who I know are deeply in love
with each other and sort of feel the sense of
opposition from their families because up undert told them that
this isn't going to work for xby said reasons and
my guidance.
Speaker 3 (49:45):
I always to me, it's.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
My go to. It's the cards to tap into whatever
higher sources which is their spirit, guides or source to
get the guidance that is going to enable them to
make their journey smoother. So, like I said, it's always
guidance space. It's hey, this is going to work. But
maybe this is how you navigate an argument, or this
is how you navigate family friction. To kind of give
(50:10):
them helpful tools and to remind them that Ultimately, it
is on you to create your best relationship.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
Love Chance sends everything. What a great note to wrap
up on, Zora, Thanks so much.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
We come. Would you like to tell people where they
can find you? Absolutely so.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
I'm woodstok onderscore Witch at Instagram and woodstock which dot com.
Some of you have already connected with me through the
daily weekly horoscopes, but you can find a bunch of
different services, offerings, upcoming workshops and retreats on the website.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
Thank you, thanks so much, and thank you so much
for tuning in. I hope that you enjoyed. Today's conversation.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
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My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January of 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. My Favorite Murder is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including historic true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.
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