October 30, 2025 • 51 mins
Join host Savannah Burks as she talks to special guest DJ L. Boogie, one of Milwaukee, WI's "Hottest & Truest DJs." L. Boogie shares the inspiring story of his career, from his first job as a golf caddy to becoming a Professional Ball Boy for the Milwaukee Bucks, where the arena's music sparked his passion for Hip-Hop. Learn how he honed his craft under local legend Dr. B and developed his signature "rhythmic dance of sound" style, which he now brings to WNOV Radio. This episode is a powerful discussion about finding your art, dedicating yourself to your passion, and the universal power of music to shape a life. Tap the link in bio to listen now!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
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Speaker 3 (00:13):
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Speaker 1 (00:52):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
You heard what he said. If you not elevating, what
are you doing? If you're not moving all on up?
Thank you for tuning in to another wonderful episode of
Lupus Has No Face podcast where we talk about real life,
real struggles and the power behind loops and beyond. I'm
your host Savannah Verse today, but the live is DJ.
(01:41):
As our guess, the live is DJ in the Nation,
DJ l Boogie. Let's go. I love your energy.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
You are so welcomed relations on the news set everything
It's dope.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I'm proud for you.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Let's get it.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I feel love with it too. You gots me. We
would be discussing the night and turning table. So for
those that are not DJs or not into music like that,
you are going to definitely for sure understand and know
what that means before you leave this podcast. So how
was your day getting in here?
Speaker 3 (02:17):
It was great, it was smooth. The weather was kind
of chilly, but it's it's it's smooth.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
It's smaller.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
I like the fall where it's not too cold.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
You get dressed like this wear a layer or two,
but it's not too cold, you know.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
I'm a summer chick, but I like the fall for men.
I like the fall from because y'all get the y'all
be looking extra fly, like y'all get to put a
little extra layers extra fly.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
At the fall, you know. But other than that, like
summer is definitely one of the favorite. You know. That's
everybody love what it's hot and do.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
But y'all be coming through with the fall. Yeah, you know,
I like y'all. Look at you got going on, God
going company.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Jacket.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
You heard what he said, custom Okay, And why you there?
My homegirl kend Of. Shout out to Kende for Beauty Sleep.
She is actually in that location as well. Shout out
to Tropic. We had a wonderful last week last week
with the Pajama Gym. The way in the exhale. It
was so so so dope. It was dope, it was sexy.
(03:25):
It was man there too, but they were upstairs and
the turnout was really great. It was for health and wellness,
so it was definitely a message behind that. But we
had a great time. The inner the staff that Tropic
was amazing and the owner was amazing.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
So shout out to you guys. What up? What Up?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
So let's jump right into it. DJ L Boogie Okay,
welcome to my podcast. Like I said, for those who
may not know your story, how would you describe who
d J L Boogie is beyond the turning tables?
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Well, let's first let's go back and say, I'm just
a energetic person off top.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
I love to bring that to the room. Period.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
I'm not gonna be the one to be like, oh, hey,
how you doing.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Hey, how you doing?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
What's up?
Speaker 1 (04:17):
How you being good to see you? I'm that type
of person off top.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
So when it came to loving music and falling in
love with music and building my collection, which I started
doing a long time ago, I was like, I got
all this music.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
What I'm gonna do with it?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
You know?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I had plenty CDs that I used to save money,
and every time I get my allowance, I'll go buy CDs.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
So it just I grew this collection.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
I'm having all this music, I'm learning all this music,
and I really got into it to the point where
I wanted to do something with it.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I didn't know yet though, so going to parties, attending parties.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I got more involved and more interested in how it
was working, who was playing the music, how do these
buttons work? And once I got into like basically falling
in love with learning, how I was Hey we on
an interview, I know, silence this far, but no, once
I got into following in love with the music and
(05:09):
everything and building my collection and everything, I met, you know,
certain individuals in this industry that made me and further
my interests and made me you know, interested in it.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
And that's why you know, I chose to be as
a career or.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Whatever, you know what. Every day that you said, I see,
I have never seen you in a dumb moment. Ever,
I don't care if it was one person in the
room or a million people in the room. And to
be honest, you are one of the people that I
look up to as far as entertainment. Right, So I
don't do what you do, but when I do speeches
(05:42):
and throw eve into things of that nature, I see
you perform, whether it's one or a million people, and
that always stuck on me. So you are one of
the people that inspires me to have that level of confidence.
Still if it's just one.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Or a million people in a room, that's super dupe.
So I appreciate that, and I learned that a long
time like you. I think that was one of the
things that I got from my mentor too. He was like,
whether there's two two hundred to two thousand, you give
them the same show, you give them the same energy
because you don't know who's in the room. So man, yeah,
(06:16):
that's so dope that you said that.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
No, for real, because my mentor shout out to Michel,
she is the first person that told me that. But
then when I see people in action, because I like
to learn visually, sometimes I'm just like, you ain't miss
the big and that's just like hats definitely go off
to you because some people can't get past that, like
it'll mess up their whole move if they don't see
(06:38):
as many people as they thought they wanted to be
present in the room.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yeah, yeah, I heard. You know some people say this too.
If you were in the room, you were supposed to
be there for sure that you know whoever was supposed
to be there or were there, So you can't look
at it like who shows up because it might be
somebody in that room who years later might be able
to make a big impact on your life.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
So and I've had that happen.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Oh, I'll see you everywhere.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
I've had that happen where I've done, you know, small events,
but then there was somebody there that's mentioned my name
in another room that I wasn't able to be in
and it still.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Turned out where I got the position. So shout out
to y'all for that.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Type of lessons on type of blessings. You've been called
one of Milwaukee's trusted DJ's. What does offensacy mean to
you when it comes to your craft and your name
in the city? You be honest city though. But yeah,
well let's talk about Milwaukee doing.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
What you say you're gonna do, because I mean, there's
there's this certain thing where you you know, you got
the name and you got a brand, and everybody that
chooses you reaches out to you are counting on you
on a certain level. On a certain level. It may
be a small event to you or to them, but
they're still.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Counting on you.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
So I believe that I've done enough to the point
where my consistency shows to the point where other people
were able to mention my name and say Oh, yeah,
he gonna do what he gonna. He gonna do his thing,
no matter what girl he gonna you know, girl or
a guy whoever they recommended me to, they'd be like, yeah,
he gonna do his thing. And I always ask my
(08:15):
clients too, like where'd you hear about me that you know?
Or how'd you get my number? And nine times out
of ten it is from a trusted source or somebody
that I already you know, get money with. So yeah,
that's what authenticity means to me is doing what you
say you're gonna do. And I've done that over and
over again, rent and repeat over and over again to
the point where clients speak well on me. I've done
(08:37):
you know, enough weddings, enough events on a top tier
level where people trust me with that, and you know
that is so dope.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
And I always say, no matter what the relationship is,
whether it's friendship, kids, spouse, whatever the thing, you still
have to be the authentic you. You still have to
have a level of loyalty. You know what I'm saying,
because it still hurts in the same way, right, whether
it's a kid disappointing your spouse, disappointing your friend or
somebody that you're in business with, because now what you've
(09:05):
done to my mental is hurt me because I can't
depend on your word and you let me down the way.
So if you don't fix those habits after you say
that you sorry, it's still kind of be that stinger.
And I have to say for myself and for the
events that you are a part of the team. Even
when you didn't make it, you made sure it went
with your music and your style. That can't say enough.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
That's important to me.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
I mean, especially if it's somebody that I rock with
and I want to see them continue to grow and flourish.
I can't have me be the reason why it wasn't
as well as it could be.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
I wanted to be, you know, as flow as great
as possible.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
You know, music is important when it comes to certain
events and the type of music. Yes so, and I
know you know in health and wellness you want you know,
certain type of vibes all the time. So yeah, I
was glad to be to make sure that I can help,
you know.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
And you saw authentic to the point where you was like, well,
if you want me to get I'm like, never would
I take you know, money out your the fact that
you even gave me that option that speaks the highest
of literally the highest like you will always have so much.
I will always have the utmost respect for you because
like you gave me the option to make a decision
for you.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Yeah, because like like like you know, in my scheduling,
I felt like that was a fumble on my end.
If if I get you know, two events at the
same time and I don't put you know, somebody in
position in time enough, I feel like that's on me.
And that's part of being authentic and the authenticity of
that situation.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Yeah, I was like, hey, I'm willing to, you.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Know, take a hit over there to make sure this
event goes well because I love I love what you're doing.
I love you know what I'm saying, being a part
of events that make people feel better.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
And you didn't get me to run around, you didn't
say you was straight, real, short cut and sweet. It
was like, Okay, this is the problem. This is the
solution where we do so many people be bulls stuffing around.
It's not even.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
That's the word for real diary.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
So we gonna move to the journey to the booth.
You started out as a golf cutting and even worked
as a Yeah, yeah, it even worked as a professional
ball boy for the Milwaukee Bucks. Can you share how
those early jobs shape your mindset and hustle before music
took over.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Okay, Well, first, I was a caddie that was in
high school. You know, I got to the point where
I wanted to, you know, buy my own threads and
buy my own you know, materials that I like, you know,
and stuff like that. So I had to get a job.
So that was one of the first jobs that you
were able to do legally at fourteen fifteen years old,
(11:53):
and it was a summer job, so it wasn't even
year round, so you know, it was a benefit and
a pleasure. And I got a chance to meet a
lot of you know, money people in the city because
they were playing golf, so they seemed like so early
because I was there every day and I'm trying to
do three days. I'm trying to do two three days,
and technically what that means, and the people that don't know,
(12:16):
you know, caddying around could be two hours or four hours.
If you're playing nine holes, it's two hours. If you're
playing eighteen holes, it's four hours, so not you know,
sometimes I'll be at the golf course twelve hours in
the day seeing you know, different golfers and working all
on the golf course doing different jobs. But you know,
walking home with you know, a nice amount of paper
(12:37):
at the end of the day. But at the same time,
a lot of people started seeing that hustle and that's
when it migrated into my coordinators in school knowing about
my summer jobs and recommended me for what's next and
what you know, different opportunities that were available. Because in
high school we had this thing called a step up coordinator. Okay,
so I had this you know coordinator who that's what
(13:01):
they were all about. They were all about trying to
you know, figure out what you wanted to do as
a career and helping you get there. So him meeting me,
knowing how charismatic I was. Plus he was in a
fraternity as well, so he was you know out here
as well, in a point where he knew a lot
of different things going on in the city and stuff
like that. So he, you know, the opportunity came across
(13:22):
his desk to recommend you know, certain students that would
be you know, interested in interviews, what the Milwaukee was,
and I got that opportunity to go down shout out,
and you know, I still had to you know, show
my charismatic and my personality to them. And that's what
got me in when I went down there and went
to that interview down there, and that was two thousand
and one. Uh no, so I want to say nineteen
(13:45):
ninety eight through two thousand and one. That was three seasons.
So I got to see you know, man all the
way up to them going to the Eastern Constant Eastern
Conference Finals against Alan iverson Philadelphia, the Bucks two thousand and.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
One, I was on the court.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
So you know, of course that season met some of
everybody you know saying that was dope, that was super dope.
Getting a chance to see AI and wow, wow what
wow Wow.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
You know, I just had a flashback.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
I can tell, like you knew the time the day
that everything that was super dope and a great opportunity.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
And it shaped me for being around celebrities early in
my life. Like I didn't really understand that then, you know,
but I was, you know, why why am I I'm
not starstruck? Why am I acting so cool around these
millionaires like this. These are big money people, and I'm like, hey,
what's up, what's up?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Shot?
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Hey, Hey, you know, passing the ball to Ray Allen,
passing the ball the big dog.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
And you know what I'm saying, I'm just I'm out there.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
I'm like, you know, they giving me signed shoes, size thirteen,
size fourteen shoes, big old shoes that I'm taking home
with me and signed autographed shoes.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
So it was like, I'm like, they little homie, you
know what.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
I'm saying, sitting me around arena to get food for
them and stuff like that. So I really felt like
the stuff going back to high school, stop im talking
about I was a small dude, but people was like,
dude got a chip on his shoulder, like he think
he did?
Speaker 1 (15:10):
I did?
Speaker 3 (15:11):
That is so a dog that is not for music.
But I love the music then, but I was I
was around a different kind of energy growing up that
that type of energy shaped me into what I'm doing
now because it was like, you know, music industry is
everybody thinks they're a superstar. You know, there's a lot
of superstars that I got a chance to work with
and stars that I got a chance to meet. So yeah,
(15:33):
it just shaped the same way, like, let's work. It's
a respect thing, it's nothing more. I'm looking at you
like you got and you bigger than me, but I'm
looking at you like you're human with extra extraordinary talent.
That's right, And I want to know what you know.
Just you know, if I could be around you and
pick your brain a little bit, I might learn something.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
And I did over the years of all these years,
you know, being consistent.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
It worked out because I'm now a DJ and I'm
saw it after i worked six nights a week and
I'm over twenty years in so I.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Mean twenty years. And now tell me that that's a blessing.
That is a blessing. And your relevant and your sing
you have the recognition, you know what I'm saying. So
not only are you on social media and marketing and
all that stuff, you by the word of mouth a
whole lot. Everybody knows who you are.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
I got a lot of clubs waiting on me, like
waiting on openings and shout out to y'all for like
always hitting me up throughout the year like hey, you
got to open the days. Hey, I appreciate y'all being
consistent and uh, hey, when it work out, it's gonna work.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Out for real.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
That is us. That's a blessing, that is a blessing
within itself. Do you remember the first time you fell
in love with the sound of music, the moment you
knew DJing? What your lane?
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Okay, So that's that's a two part question to me,
because I fell in love with music when I was
in the church, Like it was uplifted music that I
would hear, you know, growing up, I'd be the one,
you know, in the tating people shouting.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
I was the one jumping up and down when I
seen somebody, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
I was the one, like, you know, clapping my hands,
air drumming to the bat. I was the one on
the pew that you just see the little kid doing
all this and acting like he ended up band.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
I was that kid. So it was like I love
music always.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
It was something about like, you know music to me
that I just always loved music. So what made me
love the DJing? And I believe I told you this before.
This was when I met Doc b at my college,
when he came to my school. I had a music
election at this time, but I did not know what
I wanted to do with it, Like I would play
music for you know, family parties, family small events, and
(17:43):
I'll get up there and you know, play a CD
player like that, play my mixes. But those were just
mixes that I would just burn a CD and put
random songs on, you know what I'm saying, whatever the
songs that were hot at the time, whatever songs that
would be the boogie mixtape. And I was making mixeds
back in high school, you know, just earning CDs, just
random CDs.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
But it turned into what I'm gonna do with this.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
And play it for the people and play it for
the masses because I like, I like making music for people.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
I like playing music for people. Boogie, what's hot? Boogie? Hey,
I need that new mix. So it was already cultivating.
I just didn't know what you under them.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
And then, like I said, I met dude in college
and like do when he really became my mentor shout
out like B and B boy Productions turned me into
a beast.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Because I got I got home and des way a beast.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Like no for real, like no, it really did.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Like I sat there and I like I heard Snoop
just say this on a no limit versus cash money thing.
He was like when he was when he was over
there with no limit, he sat there with his mouth
closed and his ears open. He was like, you got
two ears and one mouth for a reason. You get
around certain people, you're just supposed to listen. And that's
what I treated the B Boy production days was. You know,
it was like straight spun, soak this up. I know
(18:56):
it's not gonna last forever, but I'm around some real
heavyweight right now. They're doing anything all over the city.
This is how I want to be one day. That's
how I am now, And that is true.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
You do have to listen when you don't know and
they are already there and you're trying to get there.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I'm talking about like Flyers Radio and all the clubs
at that time, Rocket, I mean consistently like they.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Had the little girls calling their name when they have to.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
That and you got that. You know what. I love
when you DJ because there's so many DJs, and I'm
not putting nobody down, you guys. This is my OPM.
When I hear other DJs, and not all of them,
but I don't like when DJs can't make the transition
a proper way, you know, you being your vibe and
doing what you're doing, and then it's like it went
(19:46):
from R and B to just some hood stuff. It's like,
what is this? They don't transition to music right, And
for me, I love music myself, so to me it matters.
And I'm sure other people out there like that. But
I took a liking to you, so I pay attention
to you more and you are my djay like. I
love how you transition your music like you have never
(20:10):
like we be over there, like don't be killing the game,
like be killing it.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
I really do appreciate that, and that took time and
experience and looking up to my mentors listening to them.
Sometimes you make a mistake and you keep going to
the point where you don't look bad or you look
back at it like you don't dwell on it. Excuse me,
you don't dwell on it to the point where it's
(20:36):
show business. Like sometimes you may you know, it may
not be as smooth as you wanted it to be, but.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Don't think about it overthinking it. I do that.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
I do that a lot because I want it to
be like you listening to the perfect CD or the
perfect album that don't have no skips in it, that
don't have no breaks in it, Like I'll.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Be thinking about that stuff, you know. But I think
I'd be.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Too hard on myself sometimes, yeah, like wanting it to
be perfect. Like I even get a little bit salty
when somebody tell me, Oh, the mister too loud, I
can't hear.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I'll be like to be like that, my bad.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
But it's I take it that serious where I thought
I should have noticed that already before you had to
say something. So that's that's how important I take it, Like, oh,
I should have been able to notice that, oh, violum
was a little too loud, Bookie, get it right. So
nobody has to tell you that the flawless night for
me is a compliment with no feedback.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
No, like a compliment with no feedbacks. Up, I say,
you rocked this tonight. This is why you rock it.
You don't want to be back, Oh I mean that?
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Okay, No negative feedback, man, no negative feedback, Like, you
rock it, but don't say like you ain't play this. Oh,
that's gonna have me messed up until the next time
I spend, which is gonna be the next day. That's
gonna be on my mind for like twenty four hours, like, ah,
so didn't play that.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Oh okay.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
You know what I learned though, and what you said
was a mouthful. What you said was for the music
and for life itself. No one knows you're making a
mistake but you because we already as people, we already
have it in our mind what it is that we
want to do. So when it doesn't go right, we
hard on ourselves and it eats out from the inside out,
(22:23):
and that's when we really start messing up as so
you start downing your stuff, you really start messing up
for real. Now people notice it.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
And this goes into this is universal I'm talking about
in the business and.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Relationships and anything. No one knows our story, so if
it gets out there, then they will know our story.
But that's why we got to keep it in house
so we can stay under control. And what I learned
is too, when people give you quote unquote negative feedback,
those are always people's opinion because if you can't look
something up and it's a fact there, I respect your opinion.
(22:56):
Like me, I like the negative feedback, not because I'm
going to change, but because I want to know what
your thought process is so just because somebody said, oh,
you didn't play that song, that doesn't mean you got
an FM night. That doesn't mean you didn't get the
people what you wanted. That person probably an a hole
or just you don't want to hear that song really bad,
or just had to say something that's not a reflection
(23:18):
on you, though true, because you still rock the building.
You understand what I'm saying. So when people will take
the no people gonna you could be the best DJ
in history, somebody is gonna always have something negative say
about you, because that's just negativity sells. And sometimes people
don't even know that they're being negative. So you gotta
(23:40):
know you. You gotta know you the stuff, whether you
messed up or not. You gotta know that you put
on adult night.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Yes, you understand I'm saying, and believe that I know tonight.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
I'll thank you for your that's how you felt like.
I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Eat that with a glass some milk.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
No, I really appreciate that because I do be on
myself hard sometimes with certain events, and then you know,
you just want to keep you want to be a
perfectionist at certain times. And I believe that's the libra
and that's the like you know, the hustler in me
that you want stuff to go so well that you
get the next call, You want the call back, You
want somebody to tell somebody else about this.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
So that's why I've been thinking.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Let me lead you with this. How many restaurants that
are not good that still fill every day? How many
stores have so many customer service that is full every day?
How many people are looking at somebody that's really nasty
in real life?
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Right message?
Speaker 3 (24:41):
So I used to think like you until I grew
my mindset perfectionate.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
You want to know what that is? That's the perfection
it to you because you only know what you're trying
to strive for it. You only know what you want
to do for that night. You only know what the
goal that you want to reach. The other thing, if
you're telling somebody, nobody else knows that. Nobody else knows that,
what does I'm sorry? How do you balance hip hop
(25:08):
and R and B to create that signature vibe?
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Oh wow, that's a good question. I definitely want to
weigh more on R and B. Even with my hip
hop songs. I try to you know, pick songs that
have you know, a good chorus or good singing chorus
to it. So I want people singing more than anything
when they come to event that I'm at. I want
you to be able to you know, stept outside of
(25:34):
your conversation and be like, oh, that's my jam man.
Get into the music a little bit. And that comes
with playing popular songs. That comes with playing songs that
people know or familiar with or heard before. So I
try to stick away from new music or new music
play is played during the earlier part of my set,
so like, you know, you still want to get people
familiar with it, but that's not when I'm going to
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play during the prime time when I know I got
a crowd, when I got a crowd, and I know
I got you know, you know, a certain age of individuals.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
I try to stick with the hits in that era
I'm reading.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
I'm reading I'm looking at age, gray, age range, I'm
looking at you know, certain individuals that i've you know,
known over the years, and I know when I've seen
them party to this type of music. So all that
comes in to prey in the play. I'm thinking about
all that when I'm playing you know for the mess.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I was gonna ask you that, like, do you read
the room ass to what it is that you're gonna play? Yes,
And that has to definitely deal with timing right, because
you will play something and to be so sperred. So
when you're reading the room, like it's just a for instance,
like five minutes you're playing this record right and you're
reading the room, how much time do you give yourself
to switch that vibe?
Speaker 3 (26:42):
But it depends because like if they're not moving to
something I'm playing, sometimes I might give it thirty seconds
to a minute and be like I don't think this
is gonna move, and I might get up out of
that song right away. But then sometimes I'd be like,
maybe they're not gonna kick in to this certain part.
So then it's like it's almost like trial and error.
(27:03):
It's like you know, you don't know if they're going
to get into it until you know you actually play
the song. Yeah, So it's like when I you know,
certain songs, like even when requests, you have to be
careful because you know you don't know if everybody's going
to get into this song or is it going to
be something to make everybody be like.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
What the hell is?
Speaker 2 (27:24):
I never had it with the hell over with you.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
I've had it all as far as you know.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
People say everything from killer DJ to everything that sucks.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Really, it really hurts. You had that moment before.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
I had that before, n in the business twenty years.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
It wasn't all.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Rainbows and uh pat crowds and sweaty dance floors.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
No, it was some nice where it was like take
me home now, I'm ready to go home.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Now like.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
But you know what, I don't want to spend too
much time on that, But how did you feel in
that moment? And and what did you take to from
that moment in order to gw learn to be the
beast that you are today.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
You learn, you learn.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Oh, it's an equipment issue. I gotta get some more
money and tighten this up. I gotta buy what I
gotta buy to get this right. I gotta always be improving.
I gotta always be trying to step my game up
to the point where I can't have no errors.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
If the error was on me, if the error was
on my fault, like you know, sometimes you add a
venue when they sound system messed up. Or something with
their stuff and it's like, oh, okay, you don't all
away eat that mistake.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
But you know, certain stuff that I know is me.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
I'm always trying to improve. That's what my next twenty
four to forty eight hours is all about. Like I
said before, when I told you, I was like, I'll
be treating myself like an athlete. Sometimes I go back
in the gym and I'll be like, I gotta correct this.
I gotta you know what I'm saying, approach my set
this way. I gotta play this song at this time,
or play play it with this.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
It's all calculated.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
I'm so glad that you say that. I'm just real
quick because I've been life coaching, but I had to
get the letters behind my name. Some people put the
respect on there, but I've been doing it for years.
So to say what you say that you treat yourself
like an athlete, I always say to people, whatever it
is that you're doing, you gotta study what you're doing.
You gotta study what's coming up behind you, gotta study
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study the new you gotta. Like for me, when I
started podcasting, I study my menuisms, how I talk, the
things I've said, the questions that I asked. I go
back and I study myself so I can be better
at what I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
That's what.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
And it actually showed in the numbers. Because some people
want things and they in position and guess what they do.
They just show up. It's only so long that you're
just gonna show up before people begin to notice that
you are not prepared. So I believe in continuing living
and breathing what you're doing. Like, I just got to
(29:53):
set them to the cast rise, shout out to study
and the riots.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
That's what's up. You are a actor now actress.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Never thought about it ever, Nothing came in my lap,
and now I have to be around the things and
learn my character. Okay, so I can act, Okay, so
my acting stills can show up. Okay, I can't show
up as myself. I gotta show like I have some
type of knowledge. With this person actually talking about in
(30:23):
went grow because it's gonna it's gonna show.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
That's what's up, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
So for people out there of you doing anything, you
have to live what it is that you're doing. Got
to in order for you to grow. You ain't gonna
make it. We're gonna move to passion meets purpose. What
inspires you to start collecting music and dragging digging deeper
into hip hop culture and digging deeper into hip hop culture.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Okay, So when I I grew up in the church,
so like a lot of the music that I wanted
to listen to, I couldn't in my parents' house. You know,
they wouldn't let me. They wouldn't let me turn on
the radio. So you know, I had to find my times,
my pockets. You know, Mom is at work, Dad is
at work. Let's record the radio, you know. So I'm
(31:13):
recording the radio on the tapes, I'm recording the countdowns.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
I'm like, Okay, when I get my allowance, I know
what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna buy some CDs.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
I started buying CDs when I started, you know, getting
my little Allawrence and uh just it turned into a
real collection because I was doing it all the time.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Like the CD man, know me, the CD is like
litt Larry, Little Larry, what you got? Hey? All right?
This new right here? You know what I'm saying, speaking
of not living cash money.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
I was a big collector then, Like I mean I'm
talking about like back then, no women used to drop
albums like for real, like every week.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
They was crazy, they were they had sold up.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
No, for real, I like that means I'm doing that
dance all the rest of the year to master p.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
I like that meme, I'm doing that dance all year
the rest of the year. I'm hopping around.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
But uh, no, for real, like you had artists and
groups back then, that was it wasn't a lot of
you know, it wasn't social media, so you really had
to go to the stores to find out who was
doing what where.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
You had to you know, be heavy in the magazines.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
The magazines, you know, drove drove a lot of the
culture and stuff like that back then.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
So that that.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
That was, you know, our era and wasn't a fun
era when you can cut out stuff from the magazines
and hang it.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Up and make your book. You was a fan in
a whole different way because you couldn't just pull out your.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Phone and see this, yes, and it made us read
and actually know what was going on.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Like I used to love to go to the record store.
The record store, to be honest, I like shopping. So
the record store was like going shopping for me because
you can spin in there all day. You can look
at the albums, the records. You can go down each tower.
You got the consents. It's a whole vibb in there.
You know you can before you know it, you sit
in the opera in the record store. I missed that.
(32:57):
I don't even know if we have a record store here.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
I think Sam Goodie was like the last thing we had.
I don't know. I think Exclusive, oh, Exclusive is still here.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
And then you go to I would go to Walgreens
and I will I think the magazine that I used
to buy was the People magazine or something like that,
and it have like the posters that you could take
out and you could put them. I think you okay,
and you can put him on your wall. I was
a strictly amateur fan. Wow, I never was that then
(33:31):
was my That was the only people I was like
really up there. If you talked about them, you have
to get out my room. My whole room loss. It
was covered up of amateur. And to go back to
you said, I was never start strugg though. It's because
of how I grew up. I've always been around important people.
So just how you said, like my friend we was
somewhere and she was you know really and I'm like,
(33:52):
I was just laugh at it because it was so cute,
and she was like, you know, I'm like, he's just
he cool. They just got more money. Driving location is different,
Like I feel like they're the same people with me. Yeah,
they're human too. So I was never a starstrug because
of how I grew up. So I definitely feel you
on that. But you just made me realmin There was
(34:12):
the time back going to the record store.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Oh my gosh, dude, like reading, so like that's it
was a natural like admiration, a natural love.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
It just it just matured, it grew.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
With the heart, like like I seen something that said
eighties maybe is the best because we've seen we are music,
we see want We've seen it go from cassette to
CD to digital, like we've seen it like we actually
own these products. So it wasn't like we wasn't rewinding
tapes with our finger. We don't know what to feel.
We know what that feels like.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
And this is just mio Pam, i'ma and I'm gonna
move on. I feel like mao Pam. We didn't have
that many problems in the eighties only because music really
gets you through like me, having Loupe's music would change
my whole mindset, like from pain to anything. Music is
a healer, you know what I'm saying. And back in
the day, we played a lot of music when was man,
(35:06):
we was upset. Music got our attitudes in our mindset
back right. It's shifted us every single.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Time voicemail, how we yeah, apologize to somebody play this
is what I got video.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
To him on the box?
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Did you do you remember the box? That was like,
I don't know what you talking about. I'm like it
caught the box.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Dedicated something to them? Yeah, anna make a dedication? Hey
this is you know, like it was different it.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Was and these ninety nine two thousand babies it's and
ship they don't then they would never experience what we experienced. Never.
I wish the show was longer, but we always can
come back.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
So and no for real, like no for real. Like
last time I said I got a chance to sit
with you, I don't. I don't believe I said certain things.
So I'm like you, I want to keep on coming
back and updating. You know what I'm saying, that we
can both talk about our growth.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Yes, and I love it and comeing soon. Glamorous conversations
so that new podcast right new podcasts, LUPAS has no face,
will still be active, but I want to show Savannah
who Savannah versus having those authentic conversations. Even though these
are authentic conversations. But this is built on my illness
(36:26):
and me reaching my lupa's community people and teaching them
how to live well with it. I still will be
active doing that, but glamorous conversations with uncomfortable people, having
those real life conversations that people do not talk about.
So I can't wait for that. And I you know what,
that is not gonna be so much of it's gonna
be I'm authentic in the business world, but glamorous conversation
(36:49):
is gonna be glamor girls versus Banna. You're gonna get
both sides of that. So you definitely will be on
you Can, we can cuss, we can whatever on that show.
That's gonna be the let you hear it, So y'all
stay yeah, stay yeah. And that just came from people
(37:09):
asking me to do certain things. You know, a lot
of my supporters that don't have LUPAS that's just coming
in and see what I'm wearing or seeing whatever it
is that to do. Like some people are not asking
me to drink out of a straw or talk about
certain conversations, and I'm like, I can't lose the definition
of why this show even exists. So that would make
me do the Savannah Birds brand because Savannah Birds brand
is everything. It's the mother is the nurses that lupas
(37:31):
has no faces, The author is everything that under Savannah Birds.
So that's that's it's already the website is already up
in whatever, but the guvernment conversation would be coming on.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
That's what's up. Okay.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Yeah, So, as someone who's built a name in Milwaukee,
what's been your biggest challenge and how did you overcome
and without losing your fire? How did you overcome without
losing your fire?
Speaker 3 (37:58):
That's a good question too, because I mean I have
I've had challenge as far as you know, trying to
get you know, consistent amount of work and dealing with
because I came at a time where people were, you know,
worried about pricing and everything like that, making sure DJs
were charging enough. And at first, I remember when I
(38:20):
first got started, people used to think like I was
undercutting people because my price is winness expensive as other
DJs at that point in time. And I remember people
I used to I used to hear that, like, oh,
you are you undercutting me. I'd be like, no, I
didn't know. I didn't ask what your price was. I
just charged what I thought I should charge, right, And
(38:41):
you know, you know, I remember, you know, people jobs
getting taken and stuff like that. You know, I thought
that was a challenge to me at first, because I thought,
you know, I'm not being as authentic as I need
to be, because maybe I should be, you know, stepping
my prices up to compete with everybody else. And that's
what I thought at first, And that was a challenge
at first until I realized, like, hold on, no, what
(39:02):
I charge is when I charged, and then my quality
was there, My quality of doing a good job was
there to the point where when like you was paying
the cheap price and not getting a good show. So
I realized that too, like, hold on, it is alright
to you know, charge what I'm charging. And then at
the you know, it's gonna be a certain point in
time where people are gonna start paying more.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
And that's what happened.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Like that's though, so you was authentic. You said you
wasn't authentic. You was authentic because of what people were saying. Yeah,
people would have somebody mindset off screwed because.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
I was getting a lot of work and it was like,
you know, this was like maybe ten ten plus years ago,
like you know, maybe fifteen years ago when I'm you know,
really starting to you know, steam roll and I done
got five years in the business, and I'm like, I
dounedid Summerfest, I Une did all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
And you know, I'm really you know popular.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
People was like, oh, yeah, that's because you're cheap, you
know what I'm saying. So I guess that was you know,
certain haters.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Yeah, And I feel like you was authentic to yourself
and you got blessed in the way that you need
to get blessed because that's how you felt. And you
never changed that right. Nobody told you to set the part.
You set your own person that you was comfortable at
and food was still on your table. You felt like
you were not missing something, minting anything, and you stay
booked and busy and look at you. Now. Yeah, people
(40:18):
would try to do that so they can pick and
choose what person that they want to.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Go to right, And that's what I felt like, you know.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
And then talking to you know, certain elders and you know,
my mentors and everything, they told me like, hey, you know,
you should believe in yourself no matter what.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Yeah, No, believe in yourself no matter what. Like is
that what you if?
Speaker 3 (40:36):
That's what you're charging step stand on business, Stand on business,
and they'll they'll figure that out, you know. And I
noticed that as you know, those certain people that you
know said those things, they're not in business anymore. They're
not consistent anymore. So it just showed me like, yeah,
maybe you were just you know, yelling from the stands.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Just when you chase after money. It would never work.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
You got to continue being great who you are, and
the money is gonna come to you.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Exactly, It's gonna come because people are looking and people
are watching.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Right, That's what That's what I think happened.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
I believe that is what happened.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
You are the evidence, Like you know, I wasn't the
one like that was like, Oh, I'm gonna hit you
over the head with the price. I just wanted you to,
you know, be be overwhelmed by the talent. And then
to the point where like, Man, I had a good
time with her. That story is gonna carry on to
you wanting to be you know, booked me again, memorable.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Oh my gosh, Okay, you guys. You know I'll be
trying to keep the show an hour and plus he
gotta go to Brownstone to DJ, so I don't want
to hold him too long. So I'm gonna skip some
of the questions, but it's definitely gonna be to be continued.
So we gonna go down to personal reflections. As this
(41:46):
show is all about transformation. What moments in your journey
felt like your personal loopis has no face? Now you
gotta understand what that means. Felt like your personal loopus
has no face? That moment when you had to fight
through something unseen but powerful.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
M m, well, a lot of people don't notice about
me I got when I got locked up for.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Nine months for drinking and driving.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
So Man talking about adversity, talking about like you know,
going to sit down and you know, you thought you
were doing something that you loved and you thought you
were serving the community, but like you're.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Still doing something that's not you know, totally right.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Like I'm not supposed to be getting in the vehicle
at the end of the night, after doing all that
great entertaining and all that great drinking, Like I'm not
supposed to be driving anywhere. So like I really had
to learn, you know, after I got you know, hit
several times, several didn't learn my lesson, went through like
(42:50):
almost five to seven years of trouble because of it.
But then you know, when I finally you know, got
my mind right and sat down and came out of
that situation, you know, I've been better ever since. So
it took that situation to you know, put that nail
in the coffin and be like, hey, that's it. You
got to stop.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
You know what I'm saying, don't even think about.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
It or where everywhere if you got to that's what
I've been doing.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
That is so dope. So when you when that happened
to you, did you have friends around you that was concerned,
like tell you not so you just did it anyways?
Or did your friends just let you enable yourself.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
It was a mixture of both, because like you know,
sometimes at work, you know, it was jobs I was leaving,
and nine times out of ten I'm.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Leaving as an employee.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
That ain't nobody really got a check for you know,
so I'm not you know, around surrounding my friends.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Most of the time.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
It is just me by myself or you know, with
you know, coworkers that are maybe they're working at the
bar or working at the club, and yeah, I would
be treating it like, oh, I'm big enough to do
what I want to do, or I got this, I
got this. I'm not probably showing those signs up I
can't handle you know, my business. But no, I wasn't
able to handle my business because liquor.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Whatever you do alters. Yeah, it definitely doesn't. People say
the same thing that you do. And I'm glad that
you speak it out like that because some people just
be feeling like they're fine and you're not fine. Like,
calm down, get some water with it, balance it out,
you know what I'm saying, Slow it down, because if
you slow it down and balance the water, you gonna
feel that versus you just keep going the back, keep
(44:23):
going the back.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
I had to, I had to, you know, wiseen up
because you know, being a father and a parent, like
you can't. I want to set a good example, and
that's that wasn't a good example being able to you know,
have to go sit down for something like.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
That, and you learned your lesson that you can speak
about it proudly.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Yeah, but that was a lot of adversity and a
big tough challenge to go.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
Through MM, but you made it. You ready to do
it here. Now, what legacy do you want as DJ
lbody to leave both in music and as a man.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
Great entertainer. Somebody that make me.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
Or make you know, make you feel good and seeing
and important when you come out. Somebody that cares about
the vibe when you're at their venues.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Or you know, just somebody that you know wants to
make you have a good time.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
And on top of that, as a man, somebody that
shows respect.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Somebody stands on principal and that's what he says he's
gonna do.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
You know a man that stands on his work, stands
on business, stands on principal morals and you know, consistent.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
That is all the things a woman look for in
a man.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
I didn't have that answer that I didn't know I
she was gonna ask that question. But at the same no,
it's real, it's real because I'm forty. It took time
to grow into this.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
It didn't. You know, I look back at myself twenty
years ago. Yeah, I was intelligent, but I still wasn't intelligent.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
I was smart, but I wasn't smart. So you know,
you gotta you gotta grow. You gotta give yourself time
to grow. And don't be too hard on yourself because
you're gonna make mistakes. But you can't let the world
know that the mistakes is.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
Eating you will exactly, and you got to accept it,
move over and not make the mistakes again.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
Facts.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Okay, finish this sentence for me. Music taught me what
with a smile?
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Uh, It taught me so much.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
You taught me love, Uh, living, prosperous, You know, prosperous
because you know, you don't hear about the lavist things
in life until you hear somebody sing or rap about it.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
You don't really know what's a.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
Dream big about until you actually see it in you know,
sometimes in the fruition when you see other people with it,
and it's not really a jealousy thing. It could be
simply because it's something that you didn't know existed for sure,
you know, like there's trips and vacations and islands and
places that you know, people don't know exists until they
(47:06):
actually see it. So that don't make you necessarily envious
or jealous. It just it inspires and inspires you. It
should inspire you. If you're the right person, it should
make you want to go get it and do more
stuff for yourself. And that's how I felt that, and
that's that's how I feel.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
We're gonna move to closing. What's next for you, any
new projects, collaboration or goals you want to share.
Speaker 3 (47:32):
Working on a couple of mixtapes right now, hosting a
couple mixtapes with artists around the city currently and studios,
working on that right now, and you know, y'all hear
about all that soon. Still on w n o V
every weekend, every Saturday night, nine to midnight, mixing it up,
Cutting it Up. I'm on LS two six two radio
(47:53):
every Wednesday, so today four pm, mixing on the air
or DJ's worldwide, traveling, doing events.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
A lot of stuff going on for twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3 (48:05):
All I can say is stay tuned and just keep up,
keep up, because we're moving.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
When twenty twenty six come, We having an exclus on
the show, so make sure, y'all continue to watch. How
can people follow you, support you, or book you?
Speaker 3 (48:20):
I am djlboogie on my socials and djlboogie dot com.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
It's direct. It's direct.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
My phone numbers on my websites, my phone numbers on
my socials. Hit me up, text me, call me. If
I don't answer, leave me a voicemail, and I get
back to you.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
It's work.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
That's easy, Tom, Please drop those tags. Make sure you
guys follow him, book him. Okay, you will not be sorry.
And for final thoughts, what does the turning tables mean
to you on a deeper level? Wow?
Speaker 1 (48:50):
That is like it's like, you know, Okay, so that's
an instrument, you know.
Speaker 3 (48:57):
So I look at it like I'm maybe I'm just maybe,
you know, pretting some buttons to work in my hands.
But I still an instrument. So through that, I'm bearing
my soul. So I can change lives. I can change lives.
I can, I can destroy lives.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
I can.
Speaker 3 (49:13):
I can make you feel a certain way, or I
can have you ready to fight. I can hang you
and thinking about all the drama in your life. Or
I can have you uplifted and ready to spend some
money and have a great time. So I really feel
like that's an instrument that you could really really change
lives with.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
So that it's deep to me.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
What I play, how I play it, the volume I
play it, all that matters.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
All that matters.
Speaker 3 (49:37):
So man, I look at it like it's almost like,
you know, an extension of God to me. Oh, you
know what I'm saying, because I'm just a renner of
God gave me his talent for sure. Sure, so I'm
letting him use me to display my talent to the
(49:57):
world and the tools that he gives me to you
to do it. I'm using it for the best of
my ability, and you are. So I look at it
like that, Like I look at it, it's that deep
to me.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
It's it's spiritual.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
We all know what spiritual mean. If you are a
Lupu's warrior or if you are a warrior period or
just a person period. Okay, I thank you so much.
That is the time. I thank you so much for
coming in again. You are always welcome. It's always a
have DJ L Buggie, you build it. I appreciate you
so so very much. You guys heard what he said.
(50:33):
He's gonna be at Brownstone tonight every Wednesday night. Okay,
come down, check him out, come see him. Gonna have
a drink with him. That's where we happy hour are not.
You can't beat that. Wings drinks, all of it. Yeah, yes,
So thank you guys so much for tuning in every
Wednesday at six point thirty on all platforms. If you
miss the beginning of it, please go to lupus has
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Speaker 1 (51:02):
Now.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
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Speaker 3 (00:13):
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Speaker 1 (00:52):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
You heard what he said. If you not elevating, what
are you doing? If you're not moving all on up?
Thank you for tuning in to another wonderful episode of
Lupus Has No Face podcast where we talk about real life,
real struggles and the power behind loops and beyond. I'm
your host Savannah Verse today, but the live is DJ.
(01:41):
As our guess, the live is DJ in the Nation,
DJ l Boogie. Let's go. I love your energy.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
You are so welcomed relations on the news set everything
It's dope.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I'm proud for you.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Let's get it.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I feel love with it too. You gots me. We
would be discussing the night and turning table. So for
those that are not DJs or not into music like that,
you are going to definitely for sure understand and know
what that means before you leave this podcast. So how
was your day getting in here?
Speaker 3 (02:17):
It was great, it was smooth. The weather was kind
of chilly, but it's it's it's smooth.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
It's smaller.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
I like the fall where it's not too cold.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
You get dressed like this wear a layer or two,
but it's not too cold, you know.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
I'm a summer chick, but I like the fall for men.
I like the fall from because y'all get the y'all
be looking extra fly, like y'all get to put a
little extra layers extra fly.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
At the fall, you know. But other than that, like
summer is definitely one of the favorite. You know. That's
everybody love what it's hot and do.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
But y'all be coming through with the fall. Yeah, you know,
I like y'all. Look at you got going on, God
going company.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Jacket.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
You heard what he said, custom Okay, And why you there?
My homegirl kend Of. Shout out to Kende for Beauty Sleep.
She is actually in that location as well. Shout out
to Tropic. We had a wonderful last week last week
with the Pajama Gym. The way in the exhale. It
was so so so dope. It was dope, it was sexy.
(03:25):
It was man there too, but they were upstairs and
the turnout was really great. It was for health and wellness,
so it was definitely a message behind that. But we
had a great time. The inner the staff that Tropic
was amazing and the owner was amazing.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
So shout out to you guys. What up? What Up?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
So let's jump right into it. DJ L Boogie Okay,
welcome to my podcast. Like I said, for those who
may not know your story, how would you describe who
d J L Boogie is beyond the turning tables?
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Well, let's first let's go back and say, I'm just
a energetic person off top.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
I love to bring that to the room. Period.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
I'm not gonna be the one to be like, oh, hey,
how you doing.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Hey, how you doing?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
What's up?
Speaker 1 (04:17):
How you being good to see you? I'm that type
of person off top.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
So when it came to loving music and falling in
love with music and building my collection, which I started
doing a long time ago, I was like, I got
all this music.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
What I'm gonna do with it?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
You know?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I had plenty CDs that I used to save money,
and every time I get my allowance, I'll go buy CDs.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
So it just I grew this collection.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
I'm having all this music, I'm learning all this music,
and I really got into it to the point where
I wanted to do something with it.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I didn't know yet though, so going to parties, attending parties.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I got more involved and more interested in how it
was working, who was playing the music, how do these
buttons work? And once I got into like basically falling
in love with learning, how I was Hey we on
an interview, I know, silence this far, but no, once
I got into following in love with the music and
(05:09):
everything and building my collection and everything, I met, you know,
certain individuals in this industry that made me and further
my interests and made me you know, interested in it.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
And that's why you know, I chose to be as
a career or.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Whatever, you know what. Every day that you said, I see,
I have never seen you in a dumb moment. Ever,
I don't care if it was one person in the
room or a million people in the room. And to
be honest, you are one of the people that I
look up to as far as entertainment. Right, So I
don't do what you do, but when I do speeches
(05:42):
and throw eve into things of that nature, I see
you perform, whether it's one or a million people, and
that always stuck on me. So you are one of
the people that inspires me to have that level of confidence.
Still if it's just one.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Or a million people in a room, that's super dupe.
So I appreciate that, and I learned that a long
time like you. I think that was one of the
things that I got from my mentor too. He was like,
whether there's two two hundred to two thousand, you give
them the same show, you give them the same energy
because you don't know who's in the room. So man, yeah,
(06:16):
that's so dope that you said that.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
No, for real, because my mentor shout out to Michel,
she is the first person that told me that. But
then when I see people in action, because I like
to learn visually, sometimes I'm just like, you ain't miss
the big and that's just like hats definitely go off
to you because some people can't get past that, like
it'll mess up their whole move if they don't see
(06:38):
as many people as they thought they wanted to be
present in the room.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yeah, yeah, I heard. You know some people say this too.
If you were in the room, you were supposed to
be there for sure that you know whoever was supposed
to be there or were there, So you can't look
at it like who shows up because it might be
somebody in that room who years later might be able
to make a big impact on your life.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
So and I've had that happen.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Oh, I'll see you everywhere.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
I've had that happen where I've done, you know, small events,
but then there was somebody there that's mentioned my name
in another room that I wasn't able to be in
and it still.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Turned out where I got the position. So shout out
to y'all for that.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Type of lessons on type of blessings. You've been called
one of Milwaukee's trusted DJ's. What does offensacy mean to
you when it comes to your craft and your name
in the city? You be honest city though. But yeah,
well let's talk about Milwaukee doing.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
What you say you're gonna do, because I mean, there's
there's this certain thing where you you know, you got
the name and you got a brand, and everybody that
chooses you reaches out to you are counting on you
on a certain level. On a certain level. It may
be a small event to you or to them, but
they're still.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Counting on you.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
So I believe that I've done enough to the point
where my consistency shows to the point where other people
were able to mention my name and say Oh, yeah,
he gonna do what he gonna. He gonna do his thing,
no matter what girl he gonna you know, girl or
a guy whoever they recommended me to, they'd be like, yeah,
he gonna do his thing. And I always ask my
(08:15):
clients too, like where'd you hear about me that you know?
Or how'd you get my number? And nine times out
of ten it is from a trusted source or somebody
that I already you know, get money with. So yeah,
that's what authenticity means to me is doing what you
say you're gonna do. And I've done that over and
over again, rent and repeat over and over again to
the point where clients speak well on me. I've done
(08:37):
you know, enough weddings, enough events on a top tier
level where people trust me with that, and you know
that is so dope.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
And I always say, no matter what the relationship is,
whether it's friendship, kids, spouse, whatever the thing, you still
have to be the authentic you. You still have to
have a level of loyalty. You know what I'm saying,
because it still hurts in the same way, right, whether
it's a kid disappointing your spouse, disappointing your friend or
somebody that you're in business with, because now what you've
(09:05):
done to my mental is hurt me because I can't
depend on your word and you let me down the way.
So if you don't fix those habits after you say
that you sorry, it's still kind of be that stinger.
And I have to say for myself and for the
events that you are a part of the team. Even
when you didn't make it, you made sure it went
with your music and your style. That can't say enough.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
That's important to me.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
I mean, especially if it's somebody that I rock with
and I want to see them continue to grow and flourish.
I can't have me be the reason why it wasn't
as well as it could be.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
I wanted to be, you know, as flow as great
as possible.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
You know, music is important when it comes to certain
events and the type of music. Yes so, and I
know you know in health and wellness you want you know,
certain type of vibes all the time. So yeah, I
was glad to be to make sure that I can help,
you know.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
And you saw authentic to the point where you was like, well,
if you want me to get I'm like, never would
I take you know, money out your the fact that
you even gave me that option that speaks the highest
of literally the highest like you will always have so much.
I will always have the utmost respect for you because
like you gave me the option to make a decision
for you.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Yeah, because like like like you know, in my scheduling,
I felt like that was a fumble on my end.
If if I get you know, two events at the
same time and I don't put you know, somebody in
position in time enough, I feel like that's on me.
And that's part of being authentic and the authenticity of
that situation.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Yeah, I was like, hey, I'm willing to, you.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Know, take a hit over there to make sure this
event goes well because I love I love what you're doing.
I love you know what I'm saying, being a part
of events that make people feel better.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
And you didn't get me to run around, you didn't
say you was straight, real, short cut and sweet. It
was like, Okay, this is the problem. This is the
solution where we do so many people be bulls stuffing around.
It's not even.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
That's the word for real diary.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
So we gonna move to the journey to the booth.
You started out as a golf cutting and even worked
as a Yeah, yeah, it even worked as a professional
ball boy for the Milwaukee Bucks. Can you share how
those early jobs shape your mindset and hustle before music
took over.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Okay, Well, first, I was a caddie that was in
high school. You know, I got to the point where
I wanted to, you know, buy my own threads and
buy my own you know, materials that I like, you know,
and stuff like that. So I had to get a job.
So that was one of the first jobs that you
were able to do legally at fourteen fifteen years old,
(11:53):
and it was a summer job, so it wasn't even
year round, so you know, it was a benefit and
a pleasure. And I got a chance to meet a
lot of you know, money people in the city because
they were playing golf, so they seemed like so early
because I was there every day and I'm trying to
do three days. I'm trying to do two three days,
and technically what that means, and the people that don't know,
(12:16):
you know, caddying around could be two hours or four hours.
If you're playing nine holes, it's two hours. If you're
playing eighteen holes, it's four hours, so not you know,
sometimes I'll be at the golf course twelve hours in
the day seeing you know, different golfers and working all
on the golf course doing different jobs. But you know,
walking home with you know, a nice amount of paper
(12:37):
at the end of the day. But at the same time,
a lot of people started seeing that hustle and that's
when it migrated into my coordinators in school knowing about
my summer jobs and recommended me for what's next and
what you know, different opportunities that were available. Because in
high school we had this thing called a step up coordinator. Okay,
so I had this you know coordinator who that's what
(13:01):
they were all about. They were all about trying to
you know, figure out what you wanted to do as
a career and helping you get there. So him meeting me,
knowing how charismatic I was. Plus he was in a
fraternity as well, so he was you know out here
as well, in a point where he knew a lot
of different things going on in the city and stuff
like that. So he, you know, the opportunity came across
(13:22):
his desk to recommend you know, certain students that would
be you know, interested in interviews, what the Milwaukee was,
and I got that opportunity to go down shout out,
and you know, I still had to you know, show
my charismatic and my personality to them. And that's what
got me in when I went down there and went
to that interview down there, and that was two thousand
and one. Uh no, so I want to say nineteen
(13:45):
ninety eight through two thousand and one. That was three seasons.
So I got to see you know, man all the
way up to them going to the Eastern Constant Eastern
Conference Finals against Alan iverson Philadelphia, the Bucks two thousand and.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
One, I was on the court.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
So you know, of course that season met some of
everybody you know saying that was dope, that was super dope.
Getting a chance to see AI and wow, wow what
wow Wow.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
You know, I just had a flashback.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
I can tell, like you knew the time the day
that everything that was super dope and a great opportunity.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
And it shaped me for being around celebrities early in
my life. Like I didn't really understand that then, you know,
but I was, you know, why why am I I'm
not starstruck? Why am I acting so cool around these
millionaires like this. These are big money people, and I'm like, hey,
what's up, what's up?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Shot?
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Hey, Hey, you know, passing the ball to Ray Allen,
passing the ball the big dog.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
And you know what I'm saying, I'm just I'm out there.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
I'm like, you know, they giving me signed shoes, size thirteen,
size fourteen shoes, big old shoes that I'm taking home
with me and signed autographed shoes.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
So it was like, I'm like, they little homie, you
know what.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
I'm saying, sitting me around arena to get food for
them and stuff like that. So I really felt like
the stuff going back to high school, stop im talking
about I was a small dude, but people was like,
dude got a chip on his shoulder, like he think
he did?
Speaker 1 (15:10):
I did?
Speaker 3 (15:11):
That is so a dog that is not for music.
But I love the music then, but I was I
was around a different kind of energy growing up that
that type of energy shaped me into what I'm doing
now because it was like, you know, music industry is
everybody thinks they're a superstar. You know, there's a lot
of superstars that I got a chance to work with
and stars that I got a chance to meet. So yeah,
(15:33):
it just shaped the same way, like, let's work. It's
a respect thing, it's nothing more. I'm looking at you
like you got and you bigger than me, but I'm
looking at you like you're human with extra extraordinary talent.
That's right, And I want to know what you know.
Just you know, if I could be around you and
pick your brain a little bit, I might learn something.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
And I did over the years of all these years,
you know, being consistent.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
It worked out because I'm now a DJ and I'm
saw it after i worked six nights a week and
I'm over twenty years in so I.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Mean twenty years. And now tell me that that's a blessing.
That is a blessing. And your relevant and your sing
you have the recognition, you know what I'm saying. So
not only are you on social media and marketing and
all that stuff, you by the word of mouth a
whole lot. Everybody knows who you are.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
I got a lot of clubs waiting on me, like
waiting on openings and shout out to y'all for like
always hitting me up throughout the year like hey, you
got to open the days. Hey, I appreciate y'all being
consistent and uh, hey, when it work out, it's gonna work.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Out for real.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
That is us. That's a blessing, that is a blessing
within itself. Do you remember the first time you fell
in love with the sound of music, the moment you
knew DJing? What your lane?
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Okay, So that's that's a two part question to me,
because I fell in love with music when I was
in the church, Like it was uplifted music that I
would hear, you know, growing up, I'd be the one,
you know, in the tating people shouting.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
I was the one jumping up and down when I
seen somebody, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
I was the one, like, you know, clapping my hands,
air drumming to the bat. I was the one on
the pew that you just see the little kid doing
all this and acting like he ended up band.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
I was that kid. So it was like I love
music always.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
It was something about like, you know music to me
that I just always loved music. So what made me
love the DJing? And I believe I told you this before.
This was when I met Doc b at my college,
when he came to my school. I had a music
election at this time, but I did not know what
I wanted to do with it, Like I would play
music for you know, family parties, family small events, and
(17:43):
I'll get up there and you know, play a CD
player like that, play my mixes. But those were just
mixes that I would just burn a CD and put
random songs on, you know what I'm saying, whatever the
songs that were hot at the time, whatever songs that
would be the boogie mixtape. And I was making mixeds
back in high school, you know, just earning CDs, just
random CDs.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
But it turned into what I'm gonna do with this.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
And play it for the people and play it for
the masses because I like, I like making music for people.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
I like playing music for people. Boogie, what's hot? Boogie? Hey,
I need that new mix. So it was already cultivating.
I just didn't know what you under them.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
And then, like I said, I met dude in college
and like do when he really became my mentor shout
out like B and B boy Productions turned me into
a beast.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Because I got I got home and des way a beast.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Like no for real, like no, it really did.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Like I sat there and I like I heard Snoop
just say this on a no limit versus cash money thing.
He was like when he was when he was over
there with no limit, he sat there with his mouth
closed and his ears open. He was like, you got
two ears and one mouth for a reason. You get
around certain people, you're just supposed to listen. And that's
what I treated the B Boy production days was. You know,
it was like straight spun, soak this up. I know
(18:56):
it's not gonna last forever, but I'm around some real
heavyweight right now. They're doing anything all over the city.
This is how I want to be one day. That's
how I am now, And that is true.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
You do have to listen when you don't know and
they are already there and you're trying to get there.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I'm talking about like Flyers Radio and all the clubs
at that time, Rocket, I mean consistently like they.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Had the little girls calling their name when they have to.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
That and you got that. You know what. I love
when you DJ because there's so many DJs, and I'm
not putting nobody down, you guys. This is my OPM.
When I hear other DJs, and not all of them,
but I don't like when DJs can't make the transition
a proper way, you know, you being your vibe and
doing what you're doing, and then it's like it went
(19:46):
from R and B to just some hood stuff. It's like,
what is this? They don't transition to music right, And
for me, I love music myself, so to me it matters.
And I'm sure other people out there like that. But
I took a liking to you, so I pay attention
to you more and you are my djay like. I
love how you transition your music like you have never
(20:10):
like we be over there, like don't be killing the game,
like be killing it.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
I really do appreciate that, and that took time and
experience and looking up to my mentors listening to them.
Sometimes you make a mistake and you keep going to
the point where you don't look bad or you look
back at it like you don't dwell on it. Excuse me,
you don't dwell on it to the point where it's
(20:36):
show business. Like sometimes you may you know, it may
not be as smooth as you wanted it to be, but.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Don't think about it overthinking it. I do that.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
I do that a lot because I want it to
be like you listening to the perfect CD or the
perfect album that don't have no skips in it, that
don't have no breaks in it, Like I'll.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Be thinking about that stuff, you know. But I think
I'd be.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Too hard on myself sometimes, yeah, like wanting it to
be perfect. Like I even get a little bit salty
when somebody tell me, Oh, the mister too loud, I
can't hear.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I'll be like to be like that, my bad.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
But it's I take it that serious where I thought
I should have noticed that already before you had to
say something. So that's that's how important I take it, Like, oh,
I should have been able to notice that, oh, violum
was a little too loud, Bookie, get it right. So
nobody has to tell you that the flawless night for
me is a compliment with no feedback.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
No, like a compliment with no feedbacks. Up, I say,
you rocked this tonight. This is why you rock it.
You don't want to be back, Oh I mean that?
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Okay, No negative feedback, man, no negative feedback, Like, you
rock it, but don't say like you ain't play this. Oh,
that's gonna have me messed up until the next time
I spend, which is gonna be the next day. That's
gonna be on my mind for like twenty four hours, like, ah,
so didn't play that.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Oh okay.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
You know what I learned though, and what you said
was a mouthful. What you said was for the music
and for life itself. No one knows you're making a
mistake but you because we already as people, we already
have it in our mind what it is that we
want to do. So when it doesn't go right, we
hard on ourselves and it eats out from the inside out,
(22:23):
and that's when we really start messing up as so
you start downing your stuff, you really start messing up
for real. Now people notice it.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
And this goes into this is universal I'm talking about
in the business and.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Relationships and anything. No one knows our story, so if
it gets out there, then they will know our story.
But that's why we got to keep it in house
so we can stay under control. And what I learned
is too, when people give you quote unquote negative feedback,
those are always people's opinion because if you can't look
something up and it's a fact there, I respect your opinion.
(22:56):
Like me, I like the negative feedback, not because I'm
going to change, but because I want to know what
your thought process is so just because somebody said, oh,
you didn't play that song, that doesn't mean you got
an FM night. That doesn't mean you didn't get the
people what you wanted. That person probably an a hole
or just you don't want to hear that song really bad,
or just had to say something that's not a reflection
(23:18):
on you, though true, because you still rock the building.
You understand what I'm saying. So when people will take
the no people gonna you could be the best DJ
in history, somebody is gonna always have something negative say
about you, because that's just negativity sells. And sometimes people
don't even know that they're being negative. So you gotta
(23:40):
know you. You gotta know you the stuff, whether you
messed up or not. You gotta know that you put
on adult night.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Yes, you understand I'm saying, and believe that I know tonight.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
I'll thank you for your that's how you felt like.
I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Eat that with a glass some milk.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
No, I really appreciate that because I do be on
myself hard sometimes with certain events, and then you know,
you just want to keep you want to be a
perfectionist at certain times. And I believe that's the libra
and that's the like you know, the hustler in me
that you want stuff to go so well that you
get the next call, You want the call back, You
want somebody to tell somebody else about this.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
So that's why I've been thinking.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Let me lead you with this. How many restaurants that
are not good that still fill every day? How many
stores have so many customer service that is full every day?
How many people are looking at somebody that's really nasty
in real life?
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Right message?
Speaker 3 (24:41):
So I used to think like you until I grew
my mindset perfectionate.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
You want to know what that is? That's the perfection
it to you because you only know what you're trying
to strive for it. You only know what you want
to do for that night. You only know what the
goal that you want to reach. The other thing, if
you're telling somebody, nobody else knows that. Nobody else knows that,
what does I'm sorry? How do you balance hip hop
(25:08):
and R and B to create that signature vibe?
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Oh wow, that's a good question. I definitely want to
weigh more on R and B. Even with my hip
hop songs. I try to you know, pick songs that
have you know, a good chorus or good singing chorus
to it. So I want people singing more than anything
when they come to event that I'm at. I want
you to be able to you know, stept outside of
(25:34):
your conversation and be like, oh, that's my jam man.
Get into the music a little bit. And that comes
with playing popular songs. That comes with playing songs that
people know or familiar with or heard before. So I
try to stick away from new music or new music
play is played during the earlier part of my set,
so like, you know, you still want to get people
familiar with it, but that's not when I'm going to
(25:55):
play during the prime time when I know I got
a crowd, when I got a crowd, and I know
I got you know, you know, a certain age of individuals.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
I try to stick with the hits in that era
I'm reading.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
I'm reading I'm looking at age, gray, age range, I'm
looking at you know, certain individuals that i've you know,
known over the years, and I know when I've seen
them party to this type of music. So all that
comes in to prey in the play. I'm thinking about
all that when I'm playing you know for the mess.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I was gonna ask you that, like, do you read
the room ass to what it is that you're gonna play? Yes,
And that has to definitely deal with timing right, because
you will play something and to be so sperred. So
when you're reading the room, like it's just a for instance,
like five minutes you're playing this record right and you're
reading the room, how much time do you give yourself
to switch that vibe?
Speaker 3 (26:42):
But it depends because like if they're not moving to
something I'm playing, sometimes I might give it thirty seconds
to a minute and be like I don't think this
is gonna move, and I might get up out of
that song right away. But then sometimes I'd be like,
maybe they're not gonna kick in to this certain part.
So then it's like it's almost like trial and error.
(27:03):
It's like you know, you don't know if they're going
to get into it until you know you actually play
the song. Yeah, So it's like when I you know,
certain songs, like even when requests, you have to be
careful because you know you don't know if everybody's going
to get into this song or is it going to
be something to make everybody be like.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
What the hell is?
Speaker 2 (27:24):
I never had it with the hell over with you.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
I've had it all as far as you know.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
People say everything from killer DJ to everything that sucks.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Really, it really hurts. You had that moment before.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
I had that before, n in the business twenty years.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
It wasn't all.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Rainbows and uh pat crowds and sweaty dance floors.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
No, it was some nice where it was like take
me home now, I'm ready to go home.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Now like.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
But you know what, I don't want to spend too
much time on that, But how did you feel in
that moment? And and what did you take to from
that moment in order to gw learn to be the
beast that you are today.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
You learn, you learn.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Oh, it's an equipment issue. I gotta get some more
money and tighten this up. I gotta buy what I
gotta buy to get this right. I gotta always be improving.
I gotta always be trying to step my game up
to the point where I can't have no errors.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
If the error was on me, if the error was
on my fault, like you know, sometimes you add a
venue when they sound system messed up. Or something with
their stuff and it's like, oh, okay, you don't all
away eat that mistake.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
But you know, certain stuff that I know is me.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
I'm always trying to improve. That's what my next twenty
four to forty eight hours is all about. Like I
said before, when I told you, I was like, I'll
be treating myself like an athlete. Sometimes I go back
in the gym and I'll be like, I gotta correct this.
I gotta you know what I'm saying, approach my set
this way. I gotta play this song at this time,
or play play it with this.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
It's all calculated.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
I'm so glad that you say that. I'm just real
quick because I've been life coaching, but I had to
get the letters behind my name. Some people put the
respect on there, but I've been doing it for years.
So to say what you say that you treat yourself
like an athlete, I always say to people, whatever it
is that you're doing, you gotta study what you're doing.
You gotta study what's coming up behind you, gotta study
(29:17):
study the new you gotta. Like for me, when I
started podcasting, I study my menuisms, how I talk, the
things I've said, the questions that I asked. I go
back and I study myself so I can be better
at what I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
That's what.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
And it actually showed in the numbers. Because some people
want things and they in position and guess what they do.
They just show up. It's only so long that you're
just gonna show up before people begin to notice that
you are not prepared. So I believe in continuing living
and breathing what you're doing. Like, I just got to
(29:53):
set them to the cast rise, shout out to study
and the riots.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
That's what's up. You are a actor now actress.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Never thought about it ever, Nothing came in my lap,
and now I have to be around the things and
learn my character. Okay, so I can act, Okay, so
my acting stills can show up. Okay, I can't show
up as myself. I gotta show like I have some
type of knowledge. With this person actually talking about in
(30:23):
went grow because it's gonna it's gonna show.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
That's what's up, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
So for people out there of you doing anything, you
have to live what it is that you're doing. Got
to in order for you to grow. You ain't gonna
make it. We're gonna move to passion meets purpose. What
inspires you to start collecting music and dragging digging deeper
into hip hop culture and digging deeper into hip hop culture.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Okay, So when I I grew up in the church,
so like a lot of the music that I wanted
to listen to, I couldn't in my parents' house. You know,
they wouldn't let me. They wouldn't let me turn on
the radio. So you know, I had to find my times,
my pockets. You know, Mom is at work, Dad is
at work. Let's record the radio, you know. So I'm
(31:13):
recording the radio on the tapes, I'm recording the countdowns.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
I'm like, Okay, when I get my allowance, I know
what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna buy some CDs.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
I started buying CDs when I started, you know, getting
my little Allawrence and uh just it turned into a
real collection because I was doing it all the time.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Like the CD man, know me, the CD is like
litt Larry, Little Larry, what you got? Hey? All right?
This new right here? You know what I'm saying, speaking
of not living cash money.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
I was a big collector then, Like I mean I'm
talking about like back then, no women used to drop
albums like for real, like every week.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
They was crazy, they were they had sold up.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
No, for real, I like that means I'm doing that
dance all the rest of the year to master p.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
I like that meme, I'm doing that dance all year
the rest of the year. I'm hopping around.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
But uh, no, for real, like you had artists and
groups back then, that was it wasn't a lot of
you know, it wasn't social media, so you really had
to go to the stores to find out who was
doing what where.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
You had to you know, be heavy in the magazines.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
The magazines, you know, drove drove a lot of the
culture and stuff like that back then.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
So that that.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
That was, you know, our era and wasn't a fun
era when you can cut out stuff from the magazines
and hang it.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Up and make your book. You was a fan in
a whole different way because you couldn't just pull out your.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Phone and see this, yes, and it made us read
and actually know what was going on.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Like I used to love to go to the record store.
The record store, to be honest, I like shopping. So
the record store was like going shopping for me because
you can spin in there all day. You can look
at the albums, the records. You can go down each tower.
You got the consents. It's a whole vibb in there.
You know you can before you know it, you sit
in the opera in the record store. I missed that.
(32:57):
I don't even know if we have a record store here.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
I think Sam Goodie was like the last thing we had.
I don't know. I think Exclusive, oh, Exclusive is still here.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
And then you go to I would go to Walgreens
and I will I think the magazine that I used
to buy was the People magazine or something like that,
and it have like the posters that you could take
out and you could put them. I think you okay,
and you can put him on your wall. I was
a strictly amateur fan. Wow, I never was that then
(33:31):
was my That was the only people I was like
really up there. If you talked about them, you have
to get out my room. My whole room loss. It
was covered up of amateur. And to go back to
you said, I was never start strugg though. It's because
of how I grew up. I've always been around important people.
So just how you said, like my friend we was
somewhere and she was you know really and I'm like,
(33:52):
I was just laugh at it because it was so cute,
and she was like, you know, I'm like, he's just
he cool. They just got more money. Driving location is different,
Like I feel like they're the same people with me. Yeah,
they're human too. So I was never a starstrug because
of how I grew up. So I definitely feel you
on that. But you just made me realmin There was
(34:12):
the time back going to the record store.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Oh my gosh, dude, like reading, so like that's it
was a natural like admiration, a natural love.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
It just it just matured, it grew.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
With the heart, like like I seen something that said
eighties maybe is the best because we've seen we are music,
we see want We've seen it go from cassette to
CD to digital, like we've seen it like we actually
own these products. So it wasn't like we wasn't rewinding
tapes with our finger. We don't know what to feel.
We know what that feels like.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
And this is just mio Pam, i'ma and I'm gonna
move on. I feel like mao Pam. We didn't have
that many problems in the eighties only because music really
gets you through like me, having Loupe's music would change
my whole mindset, like from pain to anything. Music is
a healer, you know what I'm saying. And back in
the day, we played a lot of music when was man,
(35:06):
we was upset. Music got our attitudes in our mindset
back right. It's shifted us every single.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Time voicemail, how we yeah, apologize to somebody play this
is what I got video.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
To him on the box?
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Did you do you remember the box? That was like,
I don't know what you talking about. I'm like it
caught the box.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Dedicated something to them? Yeah, anna make a dedication? Hey
this is you know, like it was different it.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Was and these ninety nine two thousand babies it's and
ship they don't then they would never experience what we experienced. Never.
I wish the show was longer, but we always can
come back.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
So and no for real, like no for real. Like
last time I said I got a chance to sit
with you, I don't. I don't believe I said certain things.
So I'm like you, I want to keep on coming
back and updating. You know what I'm saying, that we
can both talk about our growth.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Yes, and I love it and comeing soon. Glamorous conversations
so that new podcast right new podcasts, LUPAS has no face,
will still be active, but I want to show Savannah
who Savannah versus having those authentic conversations. Even though these
are authentic conversations. But this is built on my illness
(36:26):
and me reaching my lupa's community people and teaching them
how to live well with it. I still will be
active doing that, but glamorous conversations with uncomfortable people, having
those real life conversations that people do not talk about.
So I can't wait for that. And I you know what,
that is not gonna be so much of it's gonna
be I'm authentic in the business world, but glamorous conversation
(36:49):
is gonna be glamor girls versus Banna. You're gonna get
both sides of that. So you definitely will be on
you Can, we can cuss, we can whatever on that show.
That's gonna be the let you hear it, So y'all
stay yeah, stay yeah. And that just came from people
(37:09):
asking me to do certain things. You know, a lot
of my supporters that don't have LUPAS that's just coming
in and see what I'm wearing or seeing whatever it
is that to do. Like some people are not asking
me to drink out of a straw or talk about
certain conversations, and I'm like, I can't lose the definition
of why this show even exists. So that would make
me do the Savannah Birds brand because Savannah Birds brand
is everything. It's the mother is the nurses that lupas
(37:31):
has no faces, The author is everything that under Savannah Birds.
So that's that's it's already the website is already up
in whatever, but the guvernment conversation would be coming on.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
That's what's up. Okay.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Yeah, So, as someone who's built a name in Milwaukee,
what's been your biggest challenge and how did you overcome
and without losing your fire? How did you overcome without
losing your fire?
Speaker 3 (37:58):
That's a good question too, because I mean I have
I've had challenge as far as you know, trying to
get you know, consistent amount of work and dealing with
because I came at a time where people were, you know,
worried about pricing and everything like that, making sure DJs
were charging enough. And at first, I remember when I
(38:20):
first got started, people used to think like I was
undercutting people because my price is winness expensive as other
DJs at that point in time. And I remember people
I used to I used to hear that, like, oh,
you are you undercutting me. I'd be like, no, I
didn't know. I didn't ask what your price was. I
just charged what I thought I should charge, right, And
(38:41):
you know, you know, I remember, you know, people jobs
getting taken and stuff like that. You know, I thought
that was a challenge to me at first, because I thought,
you know, I'm not being as authentic as I need
to be, because maybe I should be, you know, stepping
my prices up to compete with everybody else. And that's
what I thought at first, And that was a challenge
at first until I realized, like, hold on, no, what
(39:02):
I charge is when I charged, and then my quality
was there, My quality of doing a good job was
there to the point where when like you was paying
the cheap price and not getting a good show. So
I realized that too, like, hold on, it is alright
to you know, charge what I'm charging. And then at
the you know, it's gonna be a certain point in
time where people are gonna start paying more.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
And that's what happened.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Like that's though, so you was authentic. You said you
wasn't authentic. You was authentic because of what people were saying. Yeah,
people would have somebody mindset off screwed because.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
I was getting a lot of work and it was like,
you know, this was like maybe ten ten plus years ago,
like you know, maybe fifteen years ago when I'm you know,
really starting to you know, steam roll and I done
got five years in the business, and I'm like, I
dounedid Summerfest, I Une did all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
And you know, I'm really you know popular.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
People was like, oh, yeah, that's because you're cheap, you
know what I'm saying. So I guess that was you know,
certain haters.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Yeah, And I feel like you was authentic to yourself
and you got blessed in the way that you need
to get blessed because that's how you felt. And you
never changed that right. Nobody told you to set the part.
You set your own person that you was comfortable at
and food was still on your table. You felt like
you were not missing something, minting anything, and you stay
booked and busy and look at you. Now. Yeah, people
(40:18):
would try to do that so they can pick and
choose what person that they want to.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Go to right, And that's what I felt like, you know.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
And then talking to you know, certain elders and you know,
my mentors and everything, they told me like, hey, you know,
you should believe in yourself no matter what.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Yeah, No, believe in yourself no matter what. Like is
that what you if?
Speaker 3 (40:36):
That's what you're charging step stand on business, Stand on business,
and they'll they'll figure that out, you know. And I
noticed that as you know, those certain people that you
know said those things, they're not in business anymore. They're
not consistent anymore. So it just showed me like, yeah,
maybe you were just you know, yelling from the stands.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Just when you chase after money. It would never work.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
You got to continue being great who you are, and
the money is gonna come to you.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Exactly, It's gonna come because people are looking and people
are watching.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Right, That's what That's what I think happened.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
I believe that is what happened.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
You are the evidence, Like you know, I wasn't the
one like that was like, Oh, I'm gonna hit you
over the head with the price. I just wanted you to,
you know, be be overwhelmed by the talent. And then
to the point where like, Man, I had a good
time with her. That story is gonna carry on to
you wanting to be you know, booked me again, memorable.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Oh my gosh, Okay, you guys. You know I'll be
trying to keep the show an hour and plus he
gotta go to Brownstone to DJ, so I don't want
to hold him too long. So I'm gonna skip some
of the questions, but it's definitely gonna be to be continued.
So we gonna go down to personal reflections. As this
(41:46):
show is all about transformation. What moments in your journey
felt like your personal loopis has no face? Now you
gotta understand what that means. Felt like your personal loopus
has no face? That moment when you had to fight
through something unseen but powerful.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
M m, well, a lot of people don't notice about
me I got when I got locked up for.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Nine months for drinking and driving.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
So Man talking about adversity, talking about like you know,
going to sit down and you know, you thought you
were doing something that you loved and you thought you
were serving the community, but like you're.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Still doing something that's not you know, totally right.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Like I'm not supposed to be getting in the vehicle
at the end of the night, after doing all that
great entertaining and all that great drinking, Like I'm not
supposed to be driving anywhere. So like I really had
to learn, you know, after I got you know, hit
several times, several didn't learn my lesson, went through like
(42:50):
almost five to seven years of trouble because of it.
But then you know, when I finally you know, got
my mind right and sat down and came out of
that situation, you know, I've been better ever since. So
it took that situation to you know, put that nail
in the coffin and be like, hey, that's it. You
got to stop.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
You know what I'm saying, don't even think about.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
It or where everywhere if you got to that's what
I've been doing.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
That is so dope. So when you when that happened
to you, did you have friends around you that was concerned,
like tell you not so you just did it anyways?
Or did your friends just let you enable yourself.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
It was a mixture of both, because like you know,
sometimes at work, you know, it was jobs I was leaving,
and nine times out of ten I'm.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Leaving as an employee.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
That ain't nobody really got a check for you know,
so I'm not you know, around surrounding my friends.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Most of the time.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
It is just me by myself or you know, with
you know, coworkers that are maybe they're working at the
bar or working at the club, and yeah, I would
be treating it like, oh, I'm big enough to do
what I want to do, or I got this, I
got this. I'm not probably showing those signs up I
can't handle you know, my business. But no, I wasn't
able to handle my business because liquor.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Whatever you do alters. Yeah, it definitely doesn't. People say
the same thing that you do. And I'm glad that
you speak it out like that because some people just
be feeling like they're fine and you're not fine. Like,
calm down, get some water with it, balance it out,
you know what I'm saying, Slow it down, because if
you slow it down and balance the water, you gonna
feel that versus you just keep going the back, keep
(44:23):
going the back.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
I had to, I had to, you know, wiseen up
because you know, being a father and a parent, like
you can't. I want to set a good example, and
that's that wasn't a good example being able to you know,
have to go sit down for something like.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
That, and you learned your lesson that you can speak
about it proudly.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Yeah, but that was a lot of adversity and a
big tough challenge to go.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
Through MM, but you made it. You ready to do
it here. Now, what legacy do you want as DJ
lbody to leave both in music and as a man.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
Great entertainer. Somebody that make me.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
Or make you know, make you feel good and seeing
and important when you come out. Somebody that cares about
the vibe when you're at their venues.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Or you know, just somebody that you know wants to
make you have a good time.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
And on top of that, as a man, somebody that
shows respect.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Somebody stands on principal and that's what he says he's
gonna do.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
You know a man that stands on his work, stands
on business, stands on principal morals and you know, consistent.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
That is all the things a woman look for in
a man.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
I didn't have that answer that I didn't know I
she was gonna ask that question. But at the same no,
it's real, it's real because I'm forty. It took time
to grow into this.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
It didn't. You know, I look back at myself twenty
years ago. Yeah, I was intelligent, but I still wasn't intelligent.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
I was smart, but I wasn't smart. So you know,
you gotta you gotta grow. You gotta give yourself time
to grow. And don't be too hard on yourself because
you're gonna make mistakes. But you can't let the world
know that the mistakes is.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
Eating you will exactly, and you got to accept it,
move over and not make the mistakes again.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
Facts.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Okay, finish this sentence for me. Music taught me what
with a smile?
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Uh, It taught me so much.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
You taught me love, Uh, living, prosperous, You know, prosperous
because you know, you don't hear about the lavist things
in life until you hear somebody sing or rap about it.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
You don't really know what's a.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
Dream big about until you actually see it in you know,
sometimes in the fruition when you see other people with it,
and it's not really a jealousy thing. It could be
simply because it's something that you didn't know existed for sure,
you know, like there's trips and vacations and islands and
places that you know, people don't know exists until they
(47:06):
actually see it. So that don't make you necessarily envious
or jealous. It just it inspires and inspires you. It
should inspire you. If you're the right person, it should
make you want to go get it and do more
stuff for yourself. And that's how I felt that, and
that's that's how I feel.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
We're gonna move to closing. What's next for you, any
new projects, collaboration or goals you want to share.
Speaker 3 (47:32):
Working on a couple of mixtapes right now, hosting a
couple mixtapes with artists around the city currently and studios,
working on that right now, and you know, y'all hear
about all that soon. Still on w n o V
every weekend, every Saturday night, nine to midnight, mixing it up,
Cutting it Up. I'm on LS two six two radio
(47:53):
every Wednesday, so today four pm, mixing on the air
or DJ's worldwide, traveling, doing events.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
A lot of stuff going on for twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3 (48:05):
All I can say is stay tuned and just keep up,
keep up, because we're moving.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
When twenty twenty six come, We having an exclus on
the show, so make sure, y'all continue to watch. How
can people follow you, support you, or book you?
Speaker 3 (48:20):
I am djlboogie on my socials and djlboogie dot com.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
It's direct. It's direct.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
My phone numbers on my websites, my phone numbers on
my socials. Hit me up, text me, call me. If
I don't answer, leave me a voicemail, and I get
back to you.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
It's work.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
That's easy, Tom, Please drop those tags. Make sure you
guys follow him, book him. Okay, you will not be sorry.
And for final thoughts, what does the turning tables mean
to you on a deeper level? Wow?
Speaker 1 (48:50):
That is like it's like, you know, Okay, so that's
an instrument, you know.
Speaker 3 (48:57):
So I look at it like I'm maybe I'm just maybe,
you know, pretting some buttons to work in my hands.
But I still an instrument. So through that, I'm bearing
my soul. So I can change lives. I can change lives.
I can, I can destroy lives.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
I can.
Speaker 3 (49:13):
I can make you feel a certain way, or I
can have you ready to fight. I can hang you
and thinking about all the drama in your life. Or
I can have you uplifted and ready to spend some
money and have a great time. So I really feel
like that's an instrument that you could really really change
lives with.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
So that it's deep to me.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
What I play, how I play it, the volume I
play it, all that matters.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
All that matters.
Speaker 3 (49:37):
So man, I look at it like it's almost like,
you know, an extension of God to me. Oh, you
know what I'm saying, because I'm just a renner of
God gave me his talent for sure. Sure, so I'm
letting him use me to display my talent to the
(49:57):
world and the tools that he gives me to you
to do it. I'm using it for the best of
my ability, and you are. So I look at it
like that, Like I look at it, it's that deep
to me.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
It's it's spiritual.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
We all know what spiritual mean. If you are a
Lupu's warrior or if you are a warrior period or
just a person period. Okay, I thank you so much.
That is the time. I thank you so much for
coming in again. You are always welcome. It's always a
have DJ L Buggie, you build it. I appreciate you
so so very much. You guys heard what he said.
(50:33):
He's gonna be at Brownstone tonight every Wednesday night. Okay,
come down, check him out, come see him. Gonna have
a drink with him. That's where we happy hour are not.
You can't beat that. Wings drinks, all of it. Yeah, yes,
So thank you guys so much for tuning in every
Wednesday at six point thirty on all platforms. If you
miss the beginning of it, please go to lupus has
(50:55):
the Face podcast to replay. While you're there, Like, share
and subscribe, comment and we will respond back.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
Now.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
Don't forget. If you are in need of a life
coach when it comes to wellness and health, I'm your
life coach, Savannah Birs. Please do reach out to me
and don't forget to follow the Savannah Birds brand until
next time.
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