What The Lupus Community Needs To Know

In this engaging episode, Savannah Burks dives into the world of nonprofits—what they are, how to identify genuine organizations, and their vital role in supporting the lupus community. Joined by her sister, Dr. Verola, they share expert insights, practical tips for due diligence, and lessons learned from experience to help listeners navigate and support reputable lupus nonprofits. Whether you're a supporter, potential donor, or someone interested in starting an organization, this episode offers valuable guidance on building trust, ensuring transparency, and making a meaningful impact. Tune in for an honest, informative discussion aimed at strengthening the philanthropic efforts within the lupus community. Don't miss it!

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Speaker 3 (01:21):
Welcome back to Lucas has no face. The podcast when
we talk about real life, real struggle and the power
behind living with Lucas and beyond. I'm your host, Sadana
verts In today's conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Is way overdue. We would be talking.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
About something that's so very did to our hearts. But
what we little understand nonprofits? Yes, you heard me, nonprofits?
What is nonprofit? How do we know who's genuine? And
what do does mean for us in the Lucas community.
We are joined here today with my sister Ms. Doctor

(01:56):
Garola is in the building today. She will be coming
with both knowledge and heart in this space. Okay, so
get your EarPods, get comfortable, and let's dive into it.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Hello, good evening. You got me again.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
I mean you are so beautiful and so important. I
mean you maybe here a couple of times. That's what
happens when you are very I.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
Can't say that everybody feels that way, but we don't
care tonight.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
We don't. Perception is reality? Right?

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Oh, tell us before we dive into all of this,
tell us you are in the beautiful where and enjoying
the beautiful what.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
I'm in Tampa. I'm in Tampa at a leadership conference.
I arrived today and I'll be here for a week.
So we'll be a lot of work, a lot of classes.
I like to learn. I'm a life learner, as a say,
but it is a sorority thing down here and frat
thing down here in Tampa.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
See.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
You see where I love having you because you stay
up today on education? Okay, what would be talking about today?
What is important in the little bits community when it
comes to nonprofits?

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Right, So.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
There's absolutely nowhere to start, but just to start educating now.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
So I'm wanting to pick a little bit.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
I chose you today to talk about this subject because
you are well overqualified to talk about.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
This due to.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Overqualified.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Overqualify they say overqualified when they don't want to pay
you the right dollars.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
He was looking at that transcript.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
That's friends, transcript was very impressive, but I wasn't surprised,
because what are you doing now?

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Learning?

Speaker 1 (04:05):
What am I learning now?

Speaker 2 (04:07):
I said? Because what are you doing now? You're learning?
You're being educated on.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
Something I'm learning. I'm learning something that I already know
from my doctorate program. But to rise up in the
organization you need to get credentials and certifications in things
like leadership, organizational change, on conflict resolution, those type of things.

(04:30):
So although I feel I'm well versed in that, I
have to go through the chain for this organization that
I'm attached to today.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Wow, we're here, all will gets somethings life are doing
your thing. So where you want to start with for
people that may not know what exactly is a nonprofit organization?
How does it work or compare to a for profit?

Speaker 2 (04:59):
So know what it is and what's the difference.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
Well, a nonprofit or not for profit, however you want
to say, it's the same thing. Organization is one that
is created based on a need. So it could be
a social need, it can be a health need, it
could be a cause. So whatever cause you're working for

(05:25):
health literacy, you know loop is homeless children, whatever the
cause is, uh, that organization then will set up as
a not for profit. And the only difference between the
not for profit and the profit is the text, the
text cold or the text goddess.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Gotcha.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
So with that band said, are you affiliated with any
other nonprofits?

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Few I mean, uh, I think yeah. So let's see.
Let's start with Disability Lead in Chicago affiliated with that nonprofit.
That one is geared toward people with disabilities taking on
leadership roles and and teaching how to use your disability

(06:20):
to lead. So that's one. Then we have Lupus Society
of Illinois.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
UH.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
That is a nonprofit I would say mid size uh,
nonprofit for Lupus awareness and advocacy. And then there is
a Spire which is a nonprofit. UH. That mission is
to serve people with disabilities in the community, so more

(06:48):
like the older disability ability community as far as housing
and work development and you know, being transitioned and accepted
into the community. And then we have it's a tough
five beta sorority, which I am here in Tampa on
the leadership conference. And then I think you and I

(07:11):
both have been established or familiar with Gamma Pirole LUPA sorority.
So that's what about five or six. I stopped counting
after three. I stopped counting after three.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
I was the guy, the count guy done after three.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
I'm pretty active in all, I would say, just recently
I stepped back a little bit from one organization but
for the most part, I'm pretty active. I mean I
think you see me moving around doing stuff.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
For sure, I see you moving the ground. So that
leads into my next question. In your experience, especially with
new organizations, what are some of the most common mistakes
not profits to make.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
You know, I was really speaking with an attorney about
this recently, But you know, it's a wide gamut. It's
a wide range, So I'll start from simple and go
up complex. I think one simple thing is just doing
the wrong paperwork, getting the paperwork think correctly set up
to do a nonprofit. Another common mistake I think is

(08:21):
not paying enough attention to your mission and your vision
and making sure that's aligned. So for people who don't
know the difference. The mission is what you wish to
accomplish and the vision is going to be how you
expect to get there, how to move from A to B.

(08:44):
Another one is leadership. You know, we need to because
people have degrees and experience, we still need to thoroughly
check them out. And I see lots of the stakes
with board either nonprofits not having sufficient board members or

(09:08):
not being able to vet them, not diversifying them. And
then a big one I see is financial, financial mismanagement.
And so those are some common ones I've seen and
some of them I've had experience with. But yeah, and

(09:33):
one that is like really really kind of it can
hurt the business is not utilizing your talents and resources
that you already have within your network, within your people, uh,
within that organization. So misaligning roles. So what I mean
by that, because someone has the role of an accountant

(09:58):
or the role of a sea they may not be
the best fit for the role even though they have
that title. Title does not equate title in position, does
not equal being able to do the role. But likewise,
you have people most leaders, believe it or not, most

(10:21):
leaders who hold no official title or position. It's in
their relationship with other people, is in the way they
motivate and inspire other people that they are leadership. It's
not that they are the vice president or the president,
or the CFO or the CEO or any other three

(10:42):
letter initial that you have in businesses.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
I can attest to that. I've seen a lot of that. Yeah,
I'm just gonna keep like that. I think a lot
of that.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
So this is kind of like generalized touch on some
but not points each one. If you are truly making
a mistake? Is it easily can it easily be corrected?
And would you be at fought for something that you
didn't Now, I would say.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
A lot of smaller startup nonprofits might make some mistakes,
some glitches along the way because they're they're new, right,
and they're learning. So some mistakes are you know, just
minor and can be easily smoothed over. But then we

(11:34):
have mistakes that are uh more egregious and require some
ownership and some repair.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
And what does that look like for an example?

Speaker 1 (11:53):
So I would just say, I'm just going to give
you some general nonprofits that have struggled in the past, right,
Feed the Children, Wounded Warriors Project, Angel Food Ministries, coman
uh Coman the Breast the Breast Cancer nonprofit, even Stranger's

(12:15):
Hospital Relief AIDS in other countries. So these are all
nonprofits and they may make an error in judgment. They
may make an error in having a person whose interest
lies with self versus community. And so when you have
people like that on board, they reap benefits and rewards

(12:41):
that they should not be entitled to. That can be expenses,
that could be cars, that could be monetary that can
be using the organization's funds as their own private piggybank.
And those are some of the huge ones. And all
those businesses that are just mentioned, they all had some
financial mismanagement and so but they're all still in business

(13:03):
because they handled that the right way. And usually that
is by ours. Okay. The first one is responsibility. Either
your accountant or your CFO ran off with millions or thousands.

(13:24):
That's not something you hide, Okay, that's something when you
become aware, you have to be transparent with that and
you have to you know, rectify that with the public,
with the stakeholders, with the donors, with the people that
get support from this type of organization. And so a
lot of that is taking that ownership. You know what,
we became aware of this, and you know, we're sorry

(13:47):
it happened, and these are our steps going forward. And
so usually after that accepting the r the responsibility, they
may go into a phase of restoring restoring the faith
in the trust right of all these people that believed
in this mission and in this vision and have donated

(14:08):
to this place right. And so usually with that restore
they'll have some meetings. You know, they may bring in
a consultant, they may offer some in services or education
to their staff to kind of like prevent this from
happening again. Or they may talk about some beefed up

(14:28):
security measures or background checks or something along those lines. Right,
then what you'll see is shifting a key people. You're
going to see some organizational change, right. You're going to
get probably some new leadership or definitely a new CFO,
right that you're not going to keep the same one

(14:49):
that ran off with millions.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Right.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
But this is going to happen in phases and steps.
This is not going to be overnight thing. That's really
these type of transitions take months. They're building for months.
And like I said, all those places I mentioned are
still strong today, still have donor support, still have you know,

(15:14):
their service in the communities. It is because they were
able to restore and retain restore that trust and faith
and retain their donors by being transparent and taking responsibility.
And when we don't do that and we just go
ship to say, oh well we'll just fire that guy
to get a new guy, you can do it. I mean,

(15:36):
businesses do it every day, but that's not the best way.
And so over people in particular in the Looper's community.
We have a lot of nonprofits. We have a it
seems like every time I'm on Facebook, I see something new,
and in a way, that's good because it's serving a need.
We have a lot of online support groups. We have

(15:57):
a lot of we have social groups. We have sororities
out there. We have small apparel stores out there that
are setup is nonprofits versus profit so you don't really know. Okay,
they sell these tea shirts and sell this gear, but okay,

(16:18):
what goes into the community, you don't know. So I
cautioned people in the LUPUS community just to really pay
attention if if some organization or business has just you know,
been amiss or been absent, or you know, have slowed down,
you know, look into why that is. I would say,

(16:43):
for every bad one, you might have five good ones.
So it's not to turn a negative eye because we
need the support, but we need to support the right
way from the right people.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Absolutely, And that is.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
That is very well said, because people don't know what
to look for and they don't know how things should go.
And like you said, it's a difference between restorers repairing
and accept the responsibility because that's just going into the
world to say, listen, we made a mistake that we
wasn't aware of, but these are the stuff that we're
taking to moving forward X, Y and Z, versus firing

(17:20):
that person and I want to so forth. So you
are more prone to trust the person that's being open
and honest entrance.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Exactly, and mistakes happen, and people can forgive mistakes. However,
it's usually when those things that are mentioned have been
put in place by that organization. It's very hard. People
have like so little finances, disposable income and disposable finances right,

(17:58):
everything is tight, so they really make choices on where
they're donating, who is it for, where is it going?
And people I don't know why, but people think of
this great fundraiser and it's really not that I'm a
great fundraiser. It is because I've built great relationships with people.

(18:20):
And they might not I can say, they might not
care one darn thing about lupus, but they know me
and they trust me. So if I say, hey, I'm
having a Lupus world where hey, I'm doing this concert
disjast concert for lupus words, they might not really have
lupus on their radar. To get the extra twenty thirty
dollars a month, right, But they know me, and so

(18:43):
the true relationship is in the impact that you can
make and what they think you will do and the
relationship the networks. And that's that's really my core and
what I do with you know, like fundraising or walks,
or like rallying people behind the calls until I can

(19:08):
sway them for the cause. Sometimes it's just me and
the relationship we've built, whether it's through business, whether it's
through the hospital, whether it's I grew up with you
on thirty third Street or went to school with your daughter,
But I did grew up on thirty third Street. I
was just saying, but it's the relationship. And just an example,

(19:28):
you a couple of weeks ago, you was in a
room and you heard a couple of people say some
things right about me. It was the relationship. You have
to bring that up.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
I was just about to bring that up, like you
just it's all time. But you were graduating and you
was going and an event to celebrate you instead of
celebrating you or celebrate other people by.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Give them scholarships. You know, that says right there. That
says a lot about your character.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Period, and that's how people know me. So when I
am with an organization like I mentioned five or six
right that I'm affiliated with. So when it's something that
the way something is being done that I might not
feel is right, it may pause me because I know

(20:12):
that I got those people you saw all that night,
and if I say, hey, I'm raising I need to
raise three thousand dollars for X y Z, I want
them to be able to trust that they know what
I'm doing with that and that they're going to see
those reeks and rewards within the community or in the
LUPUS community or at the walk or given scholarships or

(20:35):
whatever I'm doing. So a lot of times when you
have a lot of people involved in the organization, it
might be some conflicts with personalities, friendships, whatever, But I
really just want people who can make decisions based on
the business and not on emotional personal because you don't

(20:55):
have to like me personally. It's not about being right,
it's about doing what's right. So I think a lot
of organizations, smaller ones haven't grasped that. I don't see
that because it's too personal because a lot of the
boards are families, cousins, in laws, my cousin's sister's baby,

(21:20):
mama's son. You know, your.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Responsible.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
And that's not how a nonprofit board should be made up.
The nonprofit board should be made up of a variety
of people from different sectors, from different areas. Uh. They
should be diverse in age, race, backgrounds as it relates
to their profession or even if it's a stay at
home mom, because all those different different perspectives can bring

(21:50):
fresh ideas and new way of doing things to the table.
If you have all nurses or all factory workers, all
accountants sitting on your board, or the mother, the father,
the brother, and the sister, then when it comes time
to make decisions, you're basing them on personal and emotions.

(22:10):
You're not basing them on business. And that's what I
see and that's what I have a problem with.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
So you guys, if you are watching and this, make
sure you take some tips. And I'm sure we're gonna
be dropping some links in there for you guys can
have some tips right to go look and see if
you're nonprofit is running correctly.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
And again we don't want you know, new startups are
gonna gonna make mistakes, right, you gotta makes and we're
gonna misjudge people because we went to school with this
girl or this man and we trust them. So we
got them leading our organization and they got they their
fingers got sticky because they started thinking about self instead
of the community. That's a mishap. It's unfortunate. Okay. So

(22:57):
if we move from that place and go to this
and have the same problem, then it's time to change something.
It's changed, time to change some policies and procedure. It's
time to maybe consider a consultant, or it's probably time
to listen to someone who has the knowledge that is

(23:17):
not in a quote unquote leadership role. I'm not again,
I'm not in a leadership role in a lot of things.
Some things I am, but some things are not. But
you have to look at who's bringing you the information.
You have to look at, Okay, how do they fit
into what you're what you you know, whether it's the
Loupe's community or whether it's baking cakes, whatever it is.

(23:38):
If Betty Crocker is coming to you Savannah to say, hey,
you're selling cakes and I got the perfect recipe for you,
and then Joe who's a mechanic, comes in and say, hey, Savannah,
I got the perfect cake recipe for you. It's my
grandmother's recipe. So you're gonna look at Okay, I got
Betty Crocker, who's well known national come right, great sales.

(24:03):
Right for Joe, he's nineties. Okay, he look all right,
But I don't know his grandmother. I don't know him,
and I don't know how long she's been making these cakes. Right,
So you're gonna make the business decision. Probably to go
with Betty Kracker in her new cake recipe is what
I think. But say you didn't like Betty's hair that day,

(24:24):
or her evenings that day, or she you know, questioned
you and you didn't like it, so you can I'm
gonna go with Joe and his recipe because that's a person.
You're basing that on person personal and emotion. You cannot
do that in business. He needed to take that cake
recipe and go and make the best you know and

(24:46):
leave personal personal. So you have to get with like
minded people that can do that. And you don't want
the people that will tell you, oh, you're bored and
say it's about an I don't want to get in
the middle of Betty Crackett in jail. There is no
middle when you're doing business. It's either right or it's wrong.

(25:09):
It is not the person. It's not the person's wrong
or right. You just need to do what is right.
So if Benny Cracker is well known and has a
track record in this area, go with that. Forget about
the personal and forget about all the other stuff. But

(25:29):
people can't do that. They when you're mixed up with
friends and family, it's really hard to have that objectivity.
And that's a big mistake I see in a few nonprofits,
not a lot, but it happens. And financial mismanagement. Yeah,
And I do have some links for your guy to
drop for people. They should check out organizations in the

(25:52):
LUPUS community or outside. It just could be anything. Charity
check one on one dot org. So that's charity check
one on one dot org. You can go on that
website and you can pop in that charity and it'll
give you some information. It's not going to give you everything,
but that's a way to start. Charity watch dot org,

(26:13):
charity watch dot org, and guide star dot org. Guide
Star dot org. You may see things like text ballance.
You may see things like assets, you may see things
like the year, you know, when they went into business.
You could do further research to see who the board
members are and and kind of look at bios of them.

(26:36):
I mean, people need to just pay a little bit
more attention for sure.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Thank you so much for that.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
I do know that we talked a little bit about
mission statement and uh vision statement.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
So the difference between a mission and a vision statement.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
Why is why is a strong mission state so important
and how does it shape with an organization actually does.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
So I'd rather people focus on a true mission statement
versus a strong one, because you could have a strong
one and it not be real. So I would say
the whole thing of your mission statement is what's going
to capture people and whether they feel you can accomplish

(27:30):
that to make an impact. So you can have a
simple vision statement that says your vision is that there
is no more hunger in the world. Just something simple, okay,
Or you can beef that up and make that mission
statement more elaborate and add two or three more sentences
to it. You want it to be something that is

(27:56):
attainable and doable and that will have an impact, because
that is truly how people gauge whether they can donate
and support financially that cause. Is it something that can
make it an impact? Everything is not important to everybody.
There is a hierarchy in this country about what people

(28:18):
feel is important. Healthcare is one of them. But that's
going to depend on who it is. So we've already
talked about this a lot in our Loopus community. Is
how we get very little radio time, TV time, commercial time.
This is then illness that affects primarily women, ninety women

(28:44):
and out of that majority of women of color of color,
it could be brown, black, Asian, Latina. So is that
going to capture folks versus say, let's say hearted or dementia,
because look at the pool of people that that affects.

(29:06):
So that's going to come into to play as to
what type of impact. Is it an impact toward everyone?
Is it an impact toward a select group. When it's
an impact towards a select group, you're going to have
limited funding, You're going to have limited sponsors and donors

(29:31):
and people that donate to that. That's just the way
it is. But that doesn't mean the mission statement wasn't strong.
We just know that we're we're behind the eight ball
with this because of those demographics of loopers right.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
For sure, for sure, thank you so much for that.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
We often hear the team due diligence when it comes
to supporting organizations. What does doing your diligence really mean?
And how can that average person do it?

Speaker 1 (30:02):
Doing your due diligence with these organizations, So again, people
excuse me, no names like Red Cross, Salvation Army, Feed
the Children, World Hunger. Doing your due diligence means checking
out these organizations, checking out their leadership and their structure.

(30:26):
Go online and find the information. See who's leading I
mentioned this before. Check board members, see their website, see
newspaper articles. Go on Yahoo finance, look up nonprofits. See

(30:46):
what that business has been doing. See if the monies
that are collected. Can you see that in the community.
Can you see where it's going? Do they have any
metrics or numbers for you of where now? Under fifty
thousand dollars organizations, you won't see much with that, And

(31:09):
if you call and ask them and they don't want
to show you anything, I probably wouldn't support that. The
bigger ones have it online and you can see where
they're donating to, where they are putting the funds so
that's what that's what doing your due diligence meet. It
could be a new startup nonprofit. So at that point

(31:32):
you want to you want to go and a hold,
wait and see, maybe maybe send one hundred dollars, but
they're a wait, does in that big until you kind
of see what they're about. See if the action is
matching the words, See if the action is mentioning the
vision statement. So if you have an organization who says

(31:52):
they want to do Luper's awareness and Looper's education, okay,
just go to their website and see if they're doing that.
See look under their past events and see what's there.
I mean if it's you know, feed the children or
feed the hungry. Go on their website, see what impact

(32:13):
and what communities have they helped feed? Where have they
sent food? Where's this food pantry, where's the food coming from?
Who's supplying it? You want to look at those things.
So that's doing your due diligence because people will get
over on us. We're vulnerable, a lot of us. And
when I say, I'm speaking of the Lupa's community here,

(32:34):
and that's men and women. We want to feel a
part of something, you know, some of us have lost friends.
We talked You've talked about this lots on your show
in different segments about the anxiety, depression, the fatigue. All
that still comes to play. That you lose your friends
and your connections because you're sick half the time or
in the hospital half the time, or hooked up on

(32:56):
dalance the other half of the time. So when some
organization comes along and say, hey, we got a place
for you, and come over here and we're doing this
and we're doing that, you're vulnerable because that's what you need.
You want those types of relationships, and those are good
relationships to have, to have camaraderie with other people that
share your you know, Loopers, that's amazing, But you're vulnerable,

(33:22):
So do due diligence and check them out as well.
Somebody asked me in the Loopers community to tag team
with them on something, and I asked about the board
and they told me they didn't have a board yet.
I said, but you're a nonprofit, you should have a board,
and they said that it's been rough getting you know,

(33:42):
they've had trouble getting board members. So I kind of
was like, well, let me just wait. I didn't want
to like step too deep into that. You know, I
can support them, but without going one hundred percent in
you know what I mean, because I'd rather the structure
the foundation be right, because when the structure and foundation

(34:03):
is not right, you're liable to have problems, and that's
when some inside person is gonna have sticky fingers or
start having a self interest versus community interests.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
For sure, for sure, thank you so much for that.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
So, doctor G is your background in nonprofit work or
was that or was this something you were caught into
through the life experience.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
Not work, not work at all. Half of it was
surrounding my loopis and getting connected to organizations to you
know that are loopis advocacy or awareness type of organizations
non profit. The other was one is social and one

(34:53):
is I have a grandson who has special needs, so
that prompted my my work with Aspire and then my
work with Disability Lead. I received like a grant through
work to attend this leadership conference of this leadership program,

(35:16):
So it was like a year, I think. So I
guess you could say one was work and one is social,
the other one is personal, and two were related to Lucis.
So all around like I'm not a paid I'm not
you know, I remember from any of these organizations. Yeah, okay, okay,

(35:41):
we're going to be moving on to the Lucas community. Specifically,
speaking from your experiences, what are some of the biggest
concerns or challenges you see what nonprofits that served Lucas community.
I think I think that's the same that you mentioned

(36:01):
a little while ago with the setup, with the startup,
with the board, with the leadership. I mean that was
a general across the board response, and it fits it
fits into the Loopers community organizations as well. Yeah. Now,
I would say I would say more ormost middle to

(36:25):
smaller level organizations. So l f A is WHATE would
consider large, Loopers Foundation of America, that's rather large, okay,
in across the country. I'm affiliated with LSI and Loopers
is Siety of Illinois. I considered that medium scale, and

(36:46):
by the numbers that they reached and the people that
they served, So with that large and that's some that medium.
I I don't I I don't recall any concerns that
I've had with those two, Okay, but I don't think
any there any issues specific to the Luper's community. I

(37:11):
think in general with nonprofits. That's across the board those
things that I mentioned before.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Early.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
Okay, what type of nonprofits do you typically see in
the loopis space? Are they mostly awareness space, research focus
or support driven?

Speaker 1 (37:30):
I see a lot of advocacy and awareness education, So
I see research and that's again that's a bigger company
and the and the smaller ones I see more like
uh support networks, UH like online support groups that then't

(37:53):
do other stuff. So what I mean by other stuff
they may extend that out to other autoimmune or they
may elevate that from support groups to doing certain charity
events or certain drives, whether it's a blood drive or
kidney drive or something kind of related into the loopis

(38:15):
as well, you know, because we need but you know,
some people need blood transfusing, need dialysis, need kidney transplants,
and the whole bit. So I do see a lot
in the smaller organizations that the mission, the mission starts
out one thing, but they do do another or add

(38:36):
So I don't know at that point do you go
back and tweak your mission?

Speaker 3 (38:40):
His Stavid So that's food. So okay, so let's talk
about that. Say mission can be one thing, but they're
doing their mission and they actually doing other things, So
do you think they should add that on to their
mission once they figure out that this is something that
they want to you know.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Dive into.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
So that could be twofold because if it is something
that enhances the mission and is like falls under a subcategory,
then that's good. But if it's something totally different. So
I'm gonna give you an example. If your nonprofit is
set up to do awareness an advocacy on loopus, but

(39:26):
then somehow in that you are doing toys for tots.
If those toys for tots are geared to loopis pediatric
population or to children of lupus warriors, then that is
a tie in. But if you jump from that to

(39:50):
go into doing something about something that's not related, then
that's confusing to your donors and your sponsors and the
people that hold you accountable, your stakeholders. So does that
make sense? Great, so you can tie it in. For instance,

(40:12):
you tie in okay, free, Okay, your loopis has don't face.
So I think your mission is to bring awareness and
advocate on lupus, right, but under that you have sub
you will talk about subtopics that highlight professional lupus warriors

(40:37):
you might have a sub to subtopic or category to
talk about health disparities with or not even health disparity,
but similarities between other common illnesses that plague the black
and brown community. So you might do a series on

(40:57):
lupus and as sickle cell and talk about how they're
related in a sense of symptoms. That's still raising awareness
on loopers, but we've added in some other education, so
that's not far off the mark. But if you all
of a sudden now are talking about the stock market,

(41:22):
at the factory, in the housing market, that might confuse
people unless you're trying it to wifey women invested for
financial and dependence who happened to be three Loopers warriors
that flipped real estate. So it depends Savannah. So you
see how that could go? Yeah, do you see what

(41:46):
I mean? How it can start one way and end
up somewhere else. Right, It could make sense, but then
it could not make sense. It depends on how you
line it up. Like you talked, like the last time
we spoke in this platform, it was the Doctoral Lucas
Warriors Doctoral Journey, Right, So you're saying, hey, we might
have lupis, we might have this thing, but we still

(42:07):
can accomplish. We still can strive for our drink, right,
so that ties in.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
Now. If you're gonna talk about the mountains, you know,
I want to talk about skiing in Colorado, then I
would be a little concerned about you.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
So you guys, when you guys switch your stuff up,
offen your mission, you need to go revisits, okay, because
people are going to raise their eyeball, especially if you're
dealing with someone that's educated and that does their research.
So you don't want to come looking like we are
about to cook together. My guy, you're so fun in

(42:50):
your opinion, what's missing in the nonprofit space for people
living with lupus.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
What's missing in the non space for people living with
loopus is support on a on a on a larger scale,
and and that can go many ways. So I'm gonna
explain it and break it down to just a little bit.

(43:21):
You go to our Heart walk and nothing wrong with
a heart disease, and you know, supporting that you have
several thousand people walking. You go to a Loopis walk,
you might have a few hundred or one hundred. It's
like it's hard to get people out. It's hard to

(43:42):
get people physical presence. Forget about the dollars and the
money that can help do things right. We want to
give scholarships too, We want to fund research too. We
want to do these things too. We want to do
back to school right. For it's a whole pediatric lupus population.

(44:04):
What's missing is the or the corporate stepping up to
sponsor us. That's missing. One commercial, not one commercial ever
have I seen about lopis or medication or drug to
treat it. That's missing. So we miss that. And I

(44:28):
want to say recognition because that's not the right word.
But we haven't. We haven't suffered enough, we haven't died enough,
we haven't been impacted enough to reach that scale. What
I feel like people know what lupas is.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
I do have to agree with you.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
That is one of my goals is to have one
of the radio stations for Lupas' awareness a month or
to say something about lupas because life is not there,
but lucas is affecting a lot of people like lups
and answer somewhat go hand in hand, and a lot
of lucas worries have other autoimmune disease and all those

(45:12):
out other immune diseases are recognized, but something is not
connecting with the loops and the people the sport.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Like you said, something is not connecting.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
I don't know if they don't want to accept it
because it is an invisible illness that you can't the
tent of us being sick, like I don't know what
it is, but we are not getting more.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
You have to look at the population who gets it, Okay,
so that it is true big money that comes to
maybe Alzheimer's or heart disease, that could be legacy money.
Families that have or organizations and businesses that have supported
these for generations due to the grandmother or the great
grandma or the dad's own you know, some familial time

(45:58):
with us with the loopus population. We already talked about
statistics of how this affects more so in the African
American community. So when you look at disposable income to
support donations, and you know, sometimes our families, usually that

(46:19):
typical African American family is raised on pay your tize
in church. We don't so much here about supporting this
organization or this nonprofit. Not saying that some families don't.
I'm just saying that wasn't what I got growing up.
I grew into this right here, and I grew into

(46:41):
this probably in my mid twenties of giving back doing
certain community things. But if you're not taught it and
raised with it, then you get it later. But then
by then you might be disabled, you might be on
a fixed income. Now, you barely paying rent and barely

(47:01):
getting your food, So it's not on your brain to say,
let me support LUPAS costs. So the people who are
in positioned to support lupa's cause it's gonna have to
be the ones in the community, the ones who are
still able to work, the ones who are still able
to network, the ones who are still able to speak

(47:23):
intelligently on it and and and reach networks and other people.
So that's that's my thinking with it. Yeah, it would
be nice to get huh, a star or somebody famous
to jump on our campaign and visibly do it. I mean,
I know there's a few that do some things here

(47:45):
and there, some you know, famous people, actresses, actors, singers
that do benefit concerts and stuff. So it's some, but
that usually is into the LF, say Lucas's Foundation of America,
so that usually gets folded into those larger organizations, the

(48:05):
mom and pop nonprofits never gets any of that or
sees that. So we have to do it, yes.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
And not to you even spend too much time on it,
because we can have a whole episode on this. But
the thing is like, for some reason, when someone talk
about cancer versus lupez is totally into different worlds. It's like,
if someone get dinosed with cancer, you want to do
your research.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
You want to do this, you want to gether. For
someone to get dinosed with lucas, you don't do no research.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
You go off of oh I've heard or oh yeah,
this friend of a friend hadn't and you still don't know.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
What it is to this day.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
So again I don't know what is the disconnect when
it comes to lupus of why people are not.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Educating themselves or don't want to know about it.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
And it's a lot of famous people that has lupus
that that are not as loud as the ones who
has cancer to bring awareness to lucas.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
If you ask me, A lot of it is the connection,
Like you care about what you're connected to. So most
donors for larger organizations, they have a connection. Sometimes it's
a personal story. They may have had a wife pass
away from breast cancer. They could have had you know,

(49:21):
a child with rumphoma that die yet you know, so
that personal connect sometimes. So remember with fundraising, it's twofold.
One is one is the impact. So we already talked
about the community that Lupis strikes, and so is that

(49:41):
an impact enough for people to say, oh, let's let's
do something with this. If it's it's it's if it's
touching mostly in the population of women, women of color,
ten percent of men, and there's that's white people as well,
but the majority of what's impacted by that is what okay,

(50:05):
So then you have the impact, and then you have
the relationship. So donors and supporters need a relationship, whether
that's gonna be networking, personal business. A lot of my
networks are business through work, through other things, and I
have I would say a decent size network area. It

(50:28):
could be huger but I have. Uh. But those people,
I can't say how many support the cause of loopers
or is it the support of me? And I think
I have one person say it's you, whatever your whatever
your hand is in, I support because it's you. So
they could care less if it's loopis heart disease, Alzheimer's, uh,

(50:50):
needy kids, backpack drive. They don't care. If my name
is with it and I go to them, they will
help me, but it's not. So that's the relationship piece.
The impact piece is they know I usually send proof
of what I'm doing, whether it's like this link for
your show. I sent it out to people because I

(51:12):
want them to see that I do do these things.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Oh you do.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
I take pictures at the wall because I want them
to see where that support is going. Right, the scholarships,
I the scholarships. I want them to see that because
it was there. They know they don't have to wonder
well I supported that, but what really happened. I was fortunate,

(51:40):
with some help of a few people, to give two
young men scholarships. So that's an incredible feeling. But that's
not about me. My graduation wasn't about me, svent. It
was about other people. I made it about very clear,
this has very little to do with me.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
That dinner was so wonderful, Like, oh my god, I
didn't even need all that fool you.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
You definitely need your thing.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
You welcome.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
She definitely did her thing, but.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Too like when I started off as my nonprofit, it
was a lot of people that I was helping but
that did not want to be in the public and
I struggled with that for a couple of years until
I was like, Okay, I know how to do it
now because I'm like, people.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Need to know where this money is going through.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
They need to see what I am doing, because I
would want to see what you're doing with the money
that I am giving you. So I learned how to
still make it public without putting those people private business
in public.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
If that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
Yeah, because I've donated and I sometimes you know, you
have a lot of time on your hands or whatever,
you sit back and be like, what is this person doing.
I gave them this and gave them that, and I
haven't heard of.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
About them, haven't seen anything, like what are they doing?

Speaker 3 (53:05):
And I had a football conversation not too long ago
with this particular person because this person that I was
donating to, like they were pretty expensive and I'm just
just like, what are they doing with the money? And
I haven't seen anything. So I definitely understand what you're saying.
And it is on us to take accountability to do

(53:26):
our research in our villages because we are horrible and
we do we want to be a part of things
because of how we are.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
So that is that is true.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
And I would say for the membership based organizations that
are set up, it's nonprofit. You know, what's being done
should be done on an organizational level, not on an
individual level. So if you're involved in the organization and
I'm involved in the same organization and we got thirty
other people involved in the same organization, or or the

(54:00):
combined efforts should be organizational, not two three people here.
And I know that has that's come up to me,
you know, on the sideline, and I've I've expressed concern
about that. So yeah, it's it's it's always somebody watching.

(54:24):
Just know that it's always somebody watching. Nonprofits is always
an ego eye. And the takeaway here is we look,
we must learn from mistakes and make a concerted effort
not to repeat the mistakes. And that's gonna come only
through doing something different, because when you change nothing, you

(54:45):
reap the same.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Thing for sure. And I just want to think you too.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
I have reached out to you numerous different times to
act your pin or your thought process because I don't
have the time to do my villigence because my time is.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
But I know that you.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
Were once aware or once involved to just ask you
personal questions. Then you brought something up about this one
particular organization and it's like, hmmm, I never sat back
and thought about that, or.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
You like, think about that is crazy.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
So it's just like, how can you have someone leading
you if they are not walking in the same light
of the mission or leading you too? And that was
right there, that was just an answer to my question,
like you are absolutely yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
So with leadership again, you gotta just be mindful that position.
A title is one thing. True leadership is something totally different.
A smart organization is going to value and respect their
key people, and the key people are going to be

(55:56):
the ones that if a stakeholder has to have a
connection or an example of what you do. If you
know you got five or six or ten that will
be a good example, then value those ten people, not

(56:17):
saying that they're special or better than anybody else. But
that's the voice of reason. When people don't want to
make decisions on based on business, then look at who
it is. Is she in a LUPUS community does she
makes sense. Is she knowledgeable? Okay, that is a good idea.
Let's try that instead of an automatic No no, no, no,

(56:41):
we're not going to do that. That cripples a business
because you don't have your brightest ideas being pushed and
carried foard. Businesses don't grow without different ideas every so
often to keep it fresh, to keep it moving, to
be growing. You get to a point where you're staggering it, okay,

(57:04):
and nobody wants to just be standing on the same square.
For sure, five or six years later, you're on the
same square. And it's mostly because not listening or being
receptive to good ideas based on personal instead of basing
decisions over the business at hand. I don't know a lot,

(57:26):
but you got my business acumen stuff right in your face,
right I sent you the email, Oh for sure, So
you know I'm not just saying getting on here, just
show saying some stuff.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
I've been a part of some of your things. I
see things you've shown up for me.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
So it's not a question like I can look up
one day to see some stuff research you and you'll
pop up. But the other person I did, and I
did not see anything. And I'm like, dang I kin
paid attention to that. I was like, wow, okay, I
got my answer. You I can't be let by someone

(58:04):
that's not doing what they say as well as we're doing.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
So it's like that's all I'm trying to say. But
you know, we need people at all levels. We need
back in people, we need front end people, because you
don't want everybody in front of your business. Everybody can't
speak everybody that you got to have some people skills, right,
that's not everybody's forte. So let the people skill people

(58:28):
kind of be in the front where you're going to
have the chance to encounter other people that can help
pull the organization forward or help you when you're trying
to have these community events. You know, you want that
person to kind of be more in the back do
what they're special at doing, whether that's policy and procedure
or you know, training or whatever it is. But then

(58:53):
you're and I say, key not the most important, but
key people are people who can bring information to you,
bring other people to you, and help you grow by
helping you expand your networks, which will expand your donors
and your supporters. You need. Nonprofits need donors and supporters.

(59:14):
You cannot be a nonprofit without it, period.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
That's it. And you got to be able to use
your people the strength, use.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
The talents where they best fit, not where you think
they should fit.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
And Nope, that's what the emotion.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Emotions mean at the end of the day. That's like
the kid with the you give them a pacifier. That's
the emotion, and people want the tendency is to pacify
instead of handle the business at hand.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
Who I know, I've been saying stuff that just take
you there.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
You want to get out checks. I'm like, we can
talk about a whole.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
What it is because you don't be trying to get
me on your show for two hours. You you you
already cripping that thought him, Oh we need another segment.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
Girl, looking at it, do you see yourself starting a
nonprofit or expending the work you're already doing.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
So, I'm in the process of setting up a business.
It's not a nonprofit, though I am passionate about what
I do. So I'm a little stagnant in a sense
with my loopis. I mean, I do my Loopers support
group monthly. I got the loop as walk coming up,
we got the jazz concert comings Walk is Naperville Pavilion.

(01:00:41):
At the Naperville river Walk Pavilion. It's August ninth, that's
a Saturday. But Friday night is the Loops Awareness Jazz Concert.
Now I know it's not me, but you know, Lupas
Warriors can celebrate Looper's Awareness anytime. And I was busy,
get me. I was getting busy walking the stage so

(01:01:02):
I could do pulled off the concert. But it's coming
August eighth, So get your ticket. Get a ticket this year, Savannah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
What's the thing before I know I missed one year.
I don't know it was. It was last year.

Speaker 4 (01:01:19):
The year you get no ticket, you got in on
your good looks.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
I would do that to give our ticket. I would
do that to give our ticket. We genely gonna put
that in there. Y'all definitely don't want to miss it.
You do not have to be at Lucas where but
comes support. It means everything. You would definitely have a
good time.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Oh yeah, and you know that band is tight, you know,
and b ks get down.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
So man, listen. They had the kids jamming to that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
So the kids was jamming to that, and you saw
that was the music at the dinner party, ma'am. Yes,
to promote us in in the Loopers community. Nobody is
going to just do it we are.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
It's unity.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
There's no competition in them. You do things different. I
do things different. There's no competition. We both loops and
warriors like.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
Yeah, we do things different because I don't sleep standing
up to then.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
That.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
You know, I can't let you off the hook with that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
No, son, I don't recall. I'll pad the field.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
You plead the fil Okay, we had we had had y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
Was there two more? Buddy? Ya not let me down?

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
Possibly? I never say never. I don't know if I'll
start a nonprofit. I am in the midst of setting
up a business, a family business, so I know, so.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
When you get everything up and Rowland, I do want
to know that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
I just need a couple I might have it by
the end of the summer. Up and Roland.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
I mean it's been you will be here to broadcastic.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
See. I told you you was trying to give me
back on this show. Don't think you're special? Do you
think you're special? Now?

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
I mean, well, I am the little sister. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
You know, my friends think we have a good report
they said, you and her are funny together. John should
do more. It's like comedy, but it's fun because you
guys make it entertaining and be like, it's nothing but love.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
All love.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
That's what happens when you have genuinely love in the air.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Friends, they know what they see. They know what they see.

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
So let's say if you are monitoring someone who wants
to create a nonprofit for lucas or chronic illness, what's
the first piece of advice you will give them?

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
Well, I would I would first ask what what is
the motivation and what is to drive could because just
because they do they have the chronic illness and they
want to start this nonprofit or they.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Yes, they have it mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
I would tell them first before they started, to take
a year to build support and networks before starting. And
that looks like this. People, you may know that you
can just say, hey, I'm thinking about starting an organization
for Chrome's disease. Let's just say that, and they might

(01:04:44):
be a well, what's chromes? And so that conversation starts.
So that person, I would say, you know, a few
months six months up, start putting that idea in heads.
Start introducing it to people, start discussing it before you
actually get there. So then when you have your opening,
your grand opening, then these people are not, well, what's

(01:05:06):
this about? What's this or what because they kind of
didn't know something about it. Now that relationship has been built,
Remember I told you impact and relationship, that's the two things.
Those are the two key things, right, So that person
that would advise them to work on their relationships first,
and I'm talking about their wife and girlfriend. I'm talking

(01:05:28):
about people in the community. I'm talking about potential stakeholders,
potential board members. It's not easy to get people to
serve on the smaller loopus organization's boards. It's not easy
because board members serve for a few reasons. One they

(01:05:49):
must be passionate about or having interest in that topic.
But two, a lot of them, you know, needed wanted
on their resume. They want to show that they're given
back in some way. And those those are good things,
but we gotta still do due diligence. And that's what
I would recommend to that person is to start building

(01:06:10):
those networks ahead of time, because I see too many
businesses just just that are loopers.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
UH.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
Awareness advocacy, small organizations, they don't have support. They they
have a walk, they might have three maybe five people
show up. And it's not that that's a bad idea,
it's because they didn't develop those relationships for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
So you guys, there will be tips in the comments below.
She does have h Oops walk coming up in August
August ninth, and the jazz concert will be August eighth.
They definitely put that in comments. If you are not
able to attend, donations are greatly appreciating. You definitely can't
look her up to see where it's going. So before

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we leave, because you know, I don't like this to
go over in an hour, because your time is very important.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
You you you got me, You got me today, you
got you got eight minutes over seeing. You're lucky. I'm
not billing because you baby bill for eight minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
What is some takeaways today?

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
May give me you takeaways all night? I said, take
away away, take away, take away, due diligence, take away research,
your organization, research the leadership, research to board members. But
if you're thinking of new startup, build your connections and

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net network of people and support us first, so you're
not just there with this this organization with nobody supporting
you and knowing what you're doing. So those are two
huge ones, and the last one would be this we
all make mistakes once okay, two times. Yeah, we need

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to change some things because you're leading into a third
and you want to have some new things in place,
not just new people, but new things, new policies, new procedures,
to have a seminar, bringing a consultant, like, it's okay
to invest that time to get it right. Don't be
so in a rush to let's get moving. When let's

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get moving should have maybe happened eight months ago on
a slower progressive plan. That's how transitions are done. They're
not done overnight for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
So you guys make sure if you don't know, you
always can look for things, research things, act some one
who's already been in business forever. Do your research through
your villages is very very important. It will save you
a lot of time and money. Okay, Again, we do
have a look as well coming up August eighth, ninth,

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and we have nine jazz nine okay, and.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Then the jazz concert August eighth.

Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
It is an will be dropping that in a link,
you guys, If you guys are not able to make
it Gray, Gray, appreciate it, and I thank you so
much for coming on. You are like a regular now
because it's so nliceable.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
You trying it. You tryed it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
While you are in Tampa, you know, and being educated,
and I'm scaling on a ladder and your Lucas Sorority,
I said, Lucas Sorority sorority, So thank you so much
for taking out the time for coming on to Lucas face.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
Because I was, I was, I took off blue and white,
I was all in my stuff. I said, oh, let
me change it. And the fact was like, what do
you come on? Sorow? I said, I have to get
on the podcast. Like he said, what time is that?
I said like, oh, well, you got time to stay

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down here. What I said, I know, I need to
go review my notes. I need to be ready. So
that's why I wasn't early, but I left. I got
up and left it. When you're coming back after, I
was like no, because I got to prepare for my
class tomorrow, like I didn't read my homework. Okay, okay,
these conferences ain't no joke, baby, they ain't the real deal.

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So it's like I want to be able to talk
and make sense and snap it out.

Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
And you know you always do that with these So
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Number three, okay in the nation. I gotta show you
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Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
Okay, you got to show me your numbers.

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
Baby, I gotta show you these numbers. I'm gonna put
them up for you, guys. You see how we're going
at and we on this show and no listen you guys. No,
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