What to Do When The Doctors Can't Help You

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Speaker 5 (01:22):
Hello, thank you for tuning in to another wonderful episode
with your host Savannah.

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With your host Savannah, Well, Lucas has no face podcast
with our wonderful guests, So Rita, Okay, we'll be talking
about what to do when the doctors cannot help you.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
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were just talking about as well, probably through you in
a whole completely other direction of what I was saying to.

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Speaker 1 (02:02):
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Speaker 5 (02:08):
Will be discussing what to do when the doctors cannot
help you? Okay, before we get into all of these things, right,
who is the miss lovely Serena?

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Who is she? Multiple things? Hey? Hey, everybody, blessings everyone.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
I know you probably are familiar with the voicest, with
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That doesn't sound good.

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Speaker 1 (02:51):
Right, we gotta break the eyes? Can be serious?

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Right, hey, everybody? So three divine mind a k A.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
I'm chronically resilient, holistic, chronic pain coach on wellness consultant,
also a voice of That's what Serena said on wjmr
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also a chronic pain warrior. Yeah, I'm a viral warrior
advocate for all things black and black, but then also

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all things that are affecting the community as well too.
And I'm really just number one happy to be here
of course with you and proud of you for everything
that you're doing and the advocacy that you're doing as well,
because it's something that I feel like, Unfortunately, when it's
something that has to deal with people of color, we

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go unnoticed and that's actually part of why some of
these things are actually happening to us. And I don't
want to go too deep too quick, but nonetheless I
want to just you know, give you your flowers, you know,
while I'm here.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
Thank you so much. That means so much to me.

Speaker 5 (03:58):
But I could not do it without you guys as well,
So I appreciate you for helping me make noise in
the community in the nation.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
So I appreciate you as well.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Thank you I appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (04:09):
So that brings us here today as far as the
chronic illness and the fibriby aalgia and the holistic thing
right and us not making enough noise in the community.
So just to kind of like turn the corners a
little bit, why do you think there's not enough noise

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being made when it comes to I don't want to
make it a black thing, but let's just be very
transparent when it comes to color people. Why is there
not enough light being shined on things that's dealing with
black individuals when it comes to invisible illnesses.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
It is the systems that are in place right now,
the systems that actually got us to where we are currently,
and so now that we are trying to get out
of those systems, that's where it's like, oh, they're paying attention,
they're up, they're they're awake, they're woken now. And it's
like also now too knows and it's been affecting more

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people that are not malanated as well. And once you
notice that turn also happens, then you also start to
see more of the advocacy on that side too.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
So that's another piece to kind of, you.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
Know, just to just to watch you know, Watch Out
four when that starts to happen as well. But I
think now that we are more or less not trusting
these systems anymore because we're seeing how it has affected us.
I mean, we're going back four hundred years as far
as for how we've even been experimented on. And so
when you are the person that's basically you know, the

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guinea pig, you know, for a better lack of terms,
you know, you start to look for other ways to
do things. And now that we're seeing it now, we're
seeing people in the community healing themselves, you know, myself included,
you know, being able to go ahead and see that
and see like, okay, these are walking medical.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Miracles, but no are they?

Speaker 4 (05:59):
Is it that they were able to finally figure out
what it was that works for them, because the thing
is that it's not a one size fits all solution
and that's also the way that it's been treated from
the beginning.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
So that's just just a little bit.

Speaker 5 (06:14):
So let's speak on some of these systems as far
as what systems are you speaking up for.

Speaker 4 (06:20):
No, absolutely, I mean, we can go back to redlining,
we can go back to like the DI I mean,
we can go back to so many, so many different
things that have happened. I mean even going back to
not being able to vote, not being considered a person.
You know, all these different things that you're kind of
you know that have been compounded over the years. And

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then it also crosses through generations as well too, And
so when you're looking at all those different aspects, it's
it's a lot, and it gets even though you know,
for lack of age, it gets heavy real quick. But
the good news though, is that there are things that
we can we can do it.

Speaker 5 (07:00):
It's definitely is things that we can do. Just for instance, right,
we can make noise, right we choose not to, I
feel like when things are in place and for us
to make a change one day, one day, if we

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stop doing something, we can make a statement, We can
make noise to turn around for the better of us.
But we don't because of the lack of knowledge, the
lack of education, the oh I don't care, and the
foolery and things of that nature. When it's really just
bigger than us. We got generations after us, our kids,

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all of that, and people don't think about that. And
that's what I call it ignorance, right, and then you
just to fast forward to what happened with Curry Stephan
and his mind right and how he handled the situation.
He put a whole system into place, a whole system.

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And us our culture is so it's so many of us,
and we're so strong, and we're so intelligent and we're
so smart, but we never come together collectively as one
because everybody want credit for something, everybody want to say
I did it. You know, it's a lot of ego
that comes into place, and as so why we never

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get anything done. It's never a movement for real, and
it's it's slow if we do make a movement.

Speaker 4 (08:31):
And that's and that's definitely the hard you know, the
hard truth unfortunately, and that's why it's like, you know,
once again the things that we're doing, as far as
we're bringing light to what is going on, what is happening,
because these things are not you know, the things that
have happened to me. I mean this is within still
the past seven years. It's not like you know, ten, twenty, thirty,

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forty fifty years. It's like still in the current decade
that you know, we're in, that these things have occurred,
and so being able to really go ahead and look
at things, like you said, once again being able to say, hey, okay,
now we're noticing this trend going on. The other aspect though,
that I'm probably thinking fast as I'm saying this, but
us not actually verbalizing what is going on with our

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bodies as well too, because oftentimes we have that tendency
of being like, hey, you know what, I'm a strong person.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
You know I can go ahead.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
I can handle this, and it's like, well, yes you are,
but you should not be handling this. This is not
something that this is not normal, Like your body is
really trying to tell you something, but something in your
life unfortunately you're ignoring and you're not paying attention to
in your bodies trying to tell you that there's something wrong.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
And unfortunately, when you have that split.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
Like that, that's another thing that then we kind of
have to try to bring you back together.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
And then once we're able to go ahead and so
to speak, bring.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
You back together, you know, back to yourself, then be like, okay,
now let's go ahead and see how we can make
it difference and be able to come together with others
and kind of you know, have those conversations and say hey,
this is really what happened.

Speaker 5 (10:07):
So let's talk about that, because that's why we're here today, right,
That's and that's what got you into the holistic part. Right,
So what happened to you as to why you got
into the holistic.

Speaker 4 (10:19):
Let's see here, how much tim we got nothing. Well,
it's it's the thing. It's like a combination of life.
But then also other things kind of being brought to
the forefront for me. So what ended up happening is
that I was in a bad parccent. I was rear
inded by a drunk driver at a stoplight. I was

(10:40):
in the area where the spill. Lima was twenty five
she was going at least sixty. Yeah, So from there
I was a science experiment for close to two years,
going to all these different doctors and specialists and no
one could help me.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
But they could give me a pill.

Speaker 4 (10:57):
And so in the middle of my journey, I was
on about roughly like seven or eight medications, and I
finally got the opportunity to see an orthopedic surgeon after
about roughly a six month wait. So when I get
in to see him, he looks at me and he's
like okay, He's like you know, I see that there.
You know, run all these different tests, you know, but
have they checked this? And I just started to laugh

(11:18):
because I was like, you know what, if you want
to run another test, I'm like, you know what it is,
what it is if you find something great.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
If you don't, you won't be the first person.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
And I did another MRI and a CT and discovered
that I had bone chip spurs going into my nerve
and my right shoulder. I'm right handed, and the type
of pain that I was having was basically, you know,
like when your footfalls asleep, you have that feeling, well
imagine feeling like that all over your body and also
feel like you're on fire at the same time.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
That's how I was just constantly feeling.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
So I would usually my pain was around like a
seven or eight on a daily basis, but then if
I would go into a flip, then you know, that
goals past that and then you can't even you know,
count where you're at at that point. And so he
said to me, He's like, you know what, we need
to go ahead and do surgery right away, which turned
out to be a four month wait, and in the

(12:14):
interim of that, I still was pretty much going back
and forth with that pain and so taking those you know,
kind of trying to mass things with the different medications.
And during that time frame, unfortunately, my mother fail ill
and it was basically you know, unexpectedly. And then it
was about roughly a month before my scheduled surgery that

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this occurbed, and I went down to you know, check
and see what's going on, and unfortunately I lost my mother,
thank you, And so that was about roughly wow, I'm
seven years ago now that that occurred. And then from
there I had to unfortunately, because I'm an only child,

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I had to plan everything because my father had show down,
you know, just mentally, physically everything because the week prior
to my mother's transition was my parents' fifty fifth wed
and anniversary, and so they didn't get opportunity, of course,
you know, to celebrate that or anything they're actually supposed
to when she had follown you. So I had to

(13:17):
take over. And of course I'm also at a nine
or ten on the pain scale at the time as
well doing all of this and still you know, functioning.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
People were thinking.

Speaker 4 (13:26):
That I was okay, and I'm like, I was just
numb at that point, just because of you know, when
you're in pain for so long, your brain just kind
of blocks the house and you're just like, you're just
functioning until one time you might be like, oh that's
a little different. But then you know, kind of going
and which is the word, not what you should be doing,

(13:47):
by the way, But I ended up coming back up here.
Then I had the surgery, and of course i'm giving
you all the short version. And I had the surgery.
And after I had the surgery, I ended up losing
the motor functions in my right hand. So now I
have to relearn how to write, brush my teeth, comb

(14:08):
my hair, you know, basically everything you take for granted.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
And then I'm stealing pain.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
Now.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
My pain dropped down to about a five or six
on the pain scale. But I felt that that was unacceptable.
I'm like, you know, if you're doing surgery, we're doing
all these things. Something has to give. And so they said, well,
you have two options. We can either you know, do
surgery again, or we can put you in to pay
mansion protocol. I told them you had one time to
touch me. You're never touching me again. I was just

(14:35):
going to pay mansion protocol. And so then from there.
Once I wanted to pay mass protocol for me, it
was more or less like a fancy way of saying, like,
here's your next set of pills, because at that point
I was on fifteen medications upwards of thirty pills a day.
I then started to rapidly decline to the point where
I was bedridden, and I went to a specialist that

(14:58):
told me to get my power of return payperwork together.
My son that had just turned eighteen, was a senior
in high school getting ready to go to college to
play football, was now supposed to take care of me
and my two younger kids as well, which they were
in elementary school at that time. So just they completely
wrote me off and just said this is it, this
is what your life is going to be. Like I
was in my mid thirties at that time. I also

(15:21):
had just gotten divorced to year prior, so I'm like, oh,
hell no, this is not what's about to happen. I'm like,
I'm just finally like getting, you know, finally kind of
back to me and like who I you know, who
I want to strive to be, and you're telling me
that this is what my life is going to be. Like,
So when that occurred. The next day, you know, my

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son went to school. He had his own car. So
then after worry about that, I dropped my younger two
kids off and I came home and I cried, I prayed,
I meditated. I asked for a sign because I did
not want to be here anymore. I had already made
that decision that that might have to be an option

(16:03):
at that point. And while that was happening, all of
a sudden, my phone things, and I'm like, okay, whatever.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
I'm like, that's there's a message.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
But then it stopped me because I was like, well,
wait a minute, why haven't you researched the different things
you've been diagnosed with to see if there's any other
alternatives available, because somebody has to be living at least
one percent better than what you are. And at that point,
if I could just get out the bed and stay
out the bed for a little bit longer, I was
okay with that. And that's what really started me on

(16:31):
my journey where I decided at that point, I was
diagnosed with five things. I was diagnosed with fibro malsia,
my facial pain syndrome, degenda of dis disease in my neck,
chronic migrains, and nerve damage. So in essence, you know,
all those pills are basically just the mass of symptoms
that were coming from all those different things switched in
at that time. It's probably you know, another symptom happened

(16:53):
from a pill, but we'll get to that later.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
But you know, but just basically.

Speaker 4 (16:57):
Seeing like all the things that were happening, and so
I decided I'm going to dive into fibro, you know,
I'm going to see what's going on with to see
what I can do. And I really just started to
change things from there. And so I you know, went
through my nutrition, my stress management.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Because I had none. I didn't know what that was.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
No black person in America, you know, just some black
women in America didn't know what any of that was.
Then I also dived in on trauma healing because I
had a lot of different things that have happened to
me during my life, and I just compartmentalized everything, you know,
I just be like, Okay, let's put it in this
little box, throwed over the shoulder, and we'll do with
that another day. And my body was holding on to

(17:37):
every single thing that happened and it needed to come out,
and that accident and that's why I kind of said,
it's been a lot of things kind of grabbed me
to you know, to the spot, but I think with
the accident what it was, it was really you know
the most how I was like, Okay, she not listening
to this, this, this, central, this, this, this. We need

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to sit her down because if we don't sit her down,
she is not going to make it for her purpose
and the things that she's supposed to be doing.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
We got to sit you down. And that really, you know, during.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
That timeframe, I was sat down, I was in my bed,
I was Google was my best friend, you know, googling Amazon.
I was having sat books coming and whenever I was researching,
I was like, okay, let me get another book for that,
let me get a book for this. And I was
just you know, educating myself because I'm like, you know,
at this point, I'm like, I'm now my doctor because
I can't, you know, unfortunately, trust the physicians that I'm

(18:34):
going to and I had, you know, three doctors I
had to fire, you know during my journey where I
had one doctor I wanted to see and I was
actually happy. So normally I trust not only happy see
the doctor, but at this point I was actually happy
because at that moment, I was actually in a flare,
and I said, oh good, I'm in a flare. They
can actually test me, they can see what's going on

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because normally when I'm in here, i'm not or I'm
just out of one. So I'm not, you know, in
that space.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
So took me maybe about two hours to get ready
for this ten minute appointment. So I go in there
and I'm you know, talking to the doctor and I'm like, yes,
I said, you know, I'm currently in a flare right now,
and he's like, you know, he's writing down. He looks
up to me, He's like, no, you're not. I said,
excuse me. He was like, you're not in pain right now?

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I said, yes, i am. I said, I'm having a
pain flair. I said, I've this is actually one of
the worst ones I've had and quite some time. I said,
how are you telling me that I'm not, you know,
in pain? He was like, well, you look too put together.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Oh. I didn't have any makeup on or anything like.

Speaker 4 (19:38):
I just was just bare face, but still like you know,
but showered of course, you know, had on fresh, clean
clothes because that's how I was raised. But also just
a cultural competency that if you know about people of
color in my age range, you know that we were
taught that even regardless of what's going on. I don't
know if anybody's granny used to be like, make sure
you're gone clean draws because you.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
If you like that.

Speaker 4 (20:02):
I was like, that's how I was raised, and so
I'm like regardless. And like I said, it literally took
me like an hour to take a shower because I
was in so much pain.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
I had to stop and sit down and then get
back up again.

Speaker 4 (20:13):
And so I'm like okay, And I said to him,
I said, it took me two hours to get ready
for this, and you're telling me that I'm not in pain.
And he was like, I don't see. He's like, there's nothing.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Really.

Speaker 4 (20:23):
I said, you know what, I'm gonna leave. I'm gonna
help you out, and I'm just I'm just gonna leave.

Speaker 5 (20:29):
That is just so crazy how they can just try
to look at you and tell you that you're not
in pain.

Speaker 4 (20:33):
Yeah, but I had another one too that said to me,
was in my head that there's no way that I
can be in that much pain, because if I was,
I should be in the I should get admitted. And
I said, what is going to happen when I'm admitted,
different than what's happening right now. He couldn't answer that question,
and so I got up and I walked away. The
last one, though, was the funniest one. And I say

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that very sarcastically, because I have, like I mentioned, I
have three kids, and my middle one I had natural
childbirth and was up walking around within like ten to
fifteen minutes, which I don't recommends. I don't recommend it
at all. Was not supposed to go down that way.
It was a complete that definitely was.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
Not on my Bengo car, for it had to have
the way that it did.

Speaker 4 (21:14):
But he, of course, you know, looked in my file
and he said, oh, I see that you had your
middle child natural childbirth, and you're up walking around within
ten to fifteen minutes.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
I don't understand how you can be in so much
pain right now.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
And I looked at him and I said, okay, first
of all, you're a man, Therefore you don't know what
it feels like to have a mental cramp. Let alone
give birth to a child like also number two. I said,
you're comparing apples to oranges when you have child. When
you go through childbirth, that pain ends. This I don't

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know when it's going to end. It's continuous, it's not stopping.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
I said.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
It may stop for a moment and then all of
a sudden, m my calm down a little bit, and
then it comes back up again. I said, that's not
how childbirth works. So I see that you are not
able to help me. And I got up and I
walked away. And that's when I was like, you know what,
I am on my own, and from all of the

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different doctors and specialists that I saw, the only person
of color I finally saw that was a specialist was
at the very end when I said, I'm done with y'all.
And that was her first week there in that pay
management clinic, and I said, I'm so sorry that.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
This is your first week here.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
I said, but this is also probably gonna be the
last time you're seeing me, I said, because if you
can look at my file, you can see how long
I've been dealing with you guys, and everything is getting
worse as I'm here. I'm not coming back I'm discharging
myself because this is not working for me.

Speaker 5 (22:49):
Listening to you, that's just so sad, Like how can
people just sit there and look at you and just
be like, Oh, you're not any pain, right, And you
went to school all of these years and you want
to eyeball me and say, oh, you're not any pain.
You don't want to hook me up to no nerve
monitor or any shock monitors and none of that, and

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not even.

Speaker 4 (23:12):
Taking my pulse in some instances where I'm like and
the thing that's pressure. And that was the crazy part too,
because I've come from a line of nurses, Like my
mother was a nurse, my grandmother, her mother was a nurse,
so like that's the whole. So I'm very familiar with
the medical sism, and it's like, I know what you're
supposed to be doing.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
So the fact that I'm asking you why you're not.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
Doing the things that you're supposed to be doing, it's
very alarming because it's like, this is what you're supposed
to do. You're supposed to document. If you're saying you're
not going to do this test for me, then you
have to document that because you're denying me care. You know,
so looking at all those different things.

Speaker 5 (23:46):
I'm so sorry that that happened to you. That is crazy.
Did you even bother to do like a lawsuit at.

Speaker 4 (23:53):
The time, No, because I was also stoker with my mom,
So it was just so much that was on me
at that time that I didn't even think about it. Also, too,
I happen to have been at that time in a
very bad relationship that turned into a DV and so
I had so much going on that that was unfortunately

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not on the forefront of my mind, and I didn't
really have anyone around me that could be like, hey, Srida,
you probably should be, you know, getting this together, or
you should be looking at this this way, and of
course not at this point. And I statue limitations like
I don't know, I feel likes on that and I
don't know because it's like I've honestly.

Speaker 5 (24:34):
Never because you have everything documented, it would be worth
looking into if you wanted to deal with that, because
that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
But then also too, I see on the same you know,
on the other side of things though as well, is
that you know the things that I'm doing, and I
feel like now because I don't mention the hospital system
or anything like that. It's a very prominent one here,
and that's all I'm gonna say. But the thing is
that you know, I do that for a reason because
I also we know that eventually the tables.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Are going to turn.

Speaker 4 (25:03):
You're going to actually need the things that I'm doing
because of the fact that you guys are lacking this
in your space.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
So feel free and definitely reach out to me.

Speaker 5 (25:15):
So going through all of that, you started your holistic journey.
So what was the first thing that you did to
get you going?

Speaker 4 (25:23):
I looked at what I could control. So one thing is,
of course, what I'm putting in my body. You know,
what am I eating? So you started with foods. I
definitely started with nutrition and looking at that and saying, okay,
you know, what is the best type of you know,
lifestyle I should live when it comes to my food
and so I decided to go with the anti inflammatory lifestyle,
which with that is it's dairy free, gluten free, and

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then it's mostly like plant based.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
It also is still chicken you know.

Speaker 4 (25:50):
Still, you know, sometimes people are like, oh, can't you know,
can't miss my chickens? You know, You're still able to
go ahead and have some of those things. I don't
do red meat just because that's something that can cause
inflammation in the body. I also try to, you know,
watch my alcohol intake, you know as well. So I
might you know, have a drink every now and again,

(26:11):
but then if I do, I gotta follow up behind
like a couple of bolls watered into just to be
able to go ahead and offset the dehydration. And so,
you know, knowing that, you know, for my body, that
comes well on your triggers, right, absolutely, so you gotta
be able to go ahead and know, you know, for
yourself and for how your you know, your body is
functioning and everything. To the dairy was a hard one

(26:31):
just because we're in Wisconsin, you know, that's all that's
all that seems to be around us. But then I
have to start finding, you know, basically the alternatives. And
I noticed once I did, I definitely could feel the
difference in my body because I did have a lot
of inflammation that was going on, you know, from being
on all the medications on top of the fact that
I wasn't able to move my body like I should

(26:52):
have been able to. I mean, I was doing physical therapy,
but that was pretty much you know, the gist off
and then when things got so bad, I could barely
even get out the bed to even walk. So then
I had to actually, you know, relearn how to get
myself you know, the stamina team and be able to
go ahead and do walks and things like that too.

Speaker 5 (27:08):
So which one of those actually put you down? Was
it a combination of awe? I would say it was
a combination of all. I would say it just was
everything overall.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
So what got you back up and moving?

Speaker 4 (27:19):
I would say the nutrition was the biggest piece, because
then I was able to finally be like, okay, I
can actually feel my body. So now I can actually
feel my body, it doesn't feel as heavy, it doesn't
feel as like, you know, like I'm just you know,
like just thrown back from the fatigue and everything. I'm like, now, okay,
let me go ahead and start trying to move now.
And so I started with just like slowly walking around
the house, like being able to walk around the couch,

(27:40):
if I could go down the stairs a little bit.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
You know.

Speaker 4 (27:42):
It was really just like literal baby steps, you know.
As far as we're doing that, get outside, be able
to go ahead and go to the drive, you know,
the bottom of the driveway back to the house and
then start to go to down the block and just
and so on. And so that's how I was able
to go ahead and start that. And then I started
doing like resistance bands because I knew it was like,
you know, I was I lost a lot of muscle
because prior to my accent, I actually was working out

(28:03):
six days a week. I was very very fit. I
was working out with Truman. Truman McGee was my trainer
at the time, so he was again tire Fitness, So
he was my trainer and everything, and we were, I
mean me and him, like we were that's my that's
my dog, you know so long, yes, yes he has
and so that was something that you know, I was like, Okay,

(28:26):
I really want to get back to that because I enjoyed,
you know, working out and doing that. And so I
you know, got back into you know, working out again,
you know, hired a trainer eventually because I felt like
I was just at a point where I did enough
that I could do with the house and I want
to know again because of like how because I technically
have like a new body now, because I have to
relearn like how to use my shoulder and everything against

(28:47):
I really want to work with someone that could help
me to do that, and so I, you know, went
that route. But then when it came to the trauma healing,
one good thing from the paying clinic, so I want
them down them completely.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
But I did have a.

Speaker 4 (29:00):
Pain psychologist that I was working with, and so when
I was working with her, she actually reintroduced me to meditation.
And what was interesting was that is that I actually
was a meditator up until that point, but once I
had had my accent, I kind of just like, you know,
you get knocked off of.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Your whole, you know, your whole routine.

Speaker 4 (29:18):
So I had stopped doing it, and so she was like, no,
that's actually something good that you want to go ahead
and try to reincorporate. Well, I was like, well, I
don't know how to do it now because it's like
literally like I just couldn't like, you know, I was
still in a lot of pain and everything, so I
was like I couldn't understand how to do it. So
she kind of was like, well, let me show you
how to meditate now that you know sorrs for being
able to pay more attention to your body and not

(29:39):
be so stiff and so you know, rigid and everything,
and then she like taught me how to do that.
It looks like it's basically called I want to say,
it's not muscle progression, but it's muscle muscle region. And
forgive me if I'm saying it incorrectly. I know what
it is, but I can't. You know, It's like I
know what to do, but in essence, you will tense up.

(30:00):
It's almost like a like a body scan meditation. When
you're doing a body scan, you actor going from like
you can either go from your feet up or your
head down.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
It's whatever your preference are.

Speaker 4 (30:10):
Yes, you're sitting you can actually you can be sitting
down or you can be laying down, whichever one works
for you best. But in essence, what you're doing is
you're tensing that particular part of the body and then
you're releasing. So that way, then you can kind of
pay attention to be like, oh, that's what my body's
supposed to feel like when you're feeling the release portion
of it, because then it's like that because in that
moment you're not feeling the pain. Yes, okay, And and

(30:32):
that's one of those things too. It's still like if
you want to keep your eyes open, you could if
you're kind of like, okay, I'm new to this, let
me try to, you know, let me just kind of
see how it goes. But then from there to really
kind of get the best out of it, I would
say to just have your eyes closed, just because that
way then you're more or less focused on what you're doing.
But you can even start up by like tensing up
your shoulders, you know, for example, and then bring them
back down, and then you can be like, okay, I

(30:54):
just want to only tense up my hands and you know,
tense you know, and just really just go for each
part of your body all the way down to your feet.
And then once you do that, that's something that then
is allowing to kind of release some of that pressure.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
In your body.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
And it's called meditating.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
That's one form of meditation. It's called a body scanm meditation.
So there's like multiple forms of meditation, and I think
sometimes people get get kind of shy away from it
because they think that when they hear the word meditation,
I actually think, okay, I have to like stop thinking,
like my brain has to stop, and I can't stop
my thoughts and all that and it's.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Like, that's not what it is.

Speaker 4 (31:31):
That's it's just being able to basically to slow down
and then it's able to slow down your thoughts and
you don't have to necessarily pay attention to the thoughts.
You can kind of like I say, you know, put
a little pin in it for later, you put in
the parking lot, or you might put in the cloud
or let the cloud float by, you know, whatever it
is that helps you to be able to go ahead
and just to kind of like calm yourself down, and

(31:52):
then you can include the breathing and like some good
ones that you can do is like for example, a
five five seven breath. That something that helps with your
nervous system. It actually helps to calm your nervous system
down and a lot of times when it comes to
when it comes to pain, that's part of your that
has been coming partially from your nervous system being disregulated,

(32:15):
and so it's helping you to actually get your nervous
system regulated again. And so when you do like a
five to five seven, in essence, what you're doing is
you're inhaling for five seconds, you're holding your breath for
five seconds, and then you're releasing it for seven and
when you're releasing it you can just be you know,
just blowing you know, out your mouth.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
You have to be all, you know, aggressively if you
don't want to.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
But I mean, if it's something that you're really liking,
a like you're mad and you just want to get
it out, that's fine.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
You can like you know, blow it out you know harder.

Speaker 4 (32:42):
But if you do that at least like ten times
for example, that can actually get your body calm enough
to be able to kind of move forward for the
rest of the day. And I think sometimes with something
being so we might consider it so minute, can do
something so big, you know, for your day. That's why
I often say to people, you know, give yourself five minutes.

(33:03):
That's even like that gives you enough time to do
some breath work and to you know, and the work. Right,
you have to be able to go ahead and take
that time, you know, for yourself. And I know sometimes
we might be so used to doing things for others
that we don't take that opportunity to take that time
for ourselves. But you have to because it's one of
those things I don't even want to go into, like,

(33:24):
you know, the proverbial. You know, you pour from an
empty cup, but even it's like the thing is that
you can't pour from anything, you know, it's not even
a cup. It's like I want for me, I want
to work off the overflow. I want my cup to
you know, continuously run over. So then that way I
can go ahead and help out more. I can't, you know,
necessarily do you know, as best as I can, not

(33:46):
taking care of myself. So it's like being able to
go ahead and rest, being able to go ahead and
take care of the vessel, because the vessels what's going
to be able to help you in your purpose for sure?

Speaker 1 (33:55):
For sure? How long did it take you, like when
you were down?

Speaker 5 (33:58):
How long did it take you when you started your
journey to start like seeing progression?

Speaker 4 (34:04):
So once again this is not a regular normal situation.
But for me, I really was just at the point
where I'm an all or no. I'm an all or
nothing person when it comes to things like this, for
like when it comes to my health. So it's like, okay,
I have to do this. So it actually took me
four months. And I know that sounds wild dedicated, but

(34:26):
I was completely dedicated, Like I had my kids you know,
we're even like looking at because I told them, I said,
don't bring this mess in my house. I said, if
you want to eat whatever, like my son would be
in this car eating because he'd like, I want some
McDonald's mine. I said, well you, I said, you got
McDonald's money. You go ahead, because you working, you go
do what you need to do.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
I said, but I don't want that in my house.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
I said, you see what's in this fridge that's not
coming here. So I'm not condoning what you're eating. I said,
I'm not putting you down either, I said, because you're
wherever you need a bed in your journey. At the time,
I said, but you you know, I said, I said,
for me to respect me, please don't bring it in
because I said, this is bigger than bigger than this.

(35:04):
I said, if you want me to be here for
you and for your you know, for your siblings, I
gotta do this. And he's like, oh hey man, He's like, say,
let's you know, I'm not gonna, you know, do any
of that, and he did he would, but it would
be funny because one time I did, I was like, is.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
She really gonna like you could have just stayed in
the parking lot there and just ate it like.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Something.

Speaker 5 (35:26):
He had to eat something. He was like mine, he
had to eat something. He was like shoo, I want
some sort Oh my god. Okay, what were the initial
health concerns that? Well, no, we we talked about that already.

(35:47):
Which hole escape treatments have you tried? And what promoted you.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
To choose them?

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (35:56):
I would say from like the research aspect of it,
Like I definitely was looking at different herbs, different herbs,
herbs allver you want to say. So I'm West Indian,
so if my accent comes out in different times, so
whatever you know herbs that I was able to go
ahead and kind of research like for example, like turmeric
is a cookerman which comes from tumeric as well too,

(36:19):
where if you pull a black pepper that also activates
us so in that way it can go ahead and
help the inflammation and the body also can help with
some blood pressure, can help with your skin health and
things like that as well too.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Let me see what else sasprilla as well too, that.

Speaker 4 (36:37):
Something that can go ahead and kind of helps as
far asure balancing out hormones for your body and also
helps with iron because I noticed for myself that my
iron has always been low, but it was super like
a parent, you know, when I was when I was
going through this also like getting my getting like my
my panels and things done and being able to go
ahead and kind of see where things are at. So

(36:59):
like I know, except like my vitamin D was also
very low because I mean, we're in Wisconsin. We're not
out in the sun like we're supposed to be, and
so therefore that's something that's definitely a hard thing for
you know, a person of color, you know, so it's
always something like those are a couple of things to
kind of just look at off the bat just to
see and then kind of go from there when it
comes to supplementation. So that was one big piece because

(37:20):
I noticed that even with regardless of how much I
was eating, because I was definitely like okay, I got
to be doing this and this and this, I still
wasn't getting enough, you know, as far as for like
what like I said, for iron and things of that nature.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
So that part definitely helped me.

Speaker 5 (37:35):
Okay, so did you have what did you have to
do to make sure you had enough iron?

Speaker 4 (37:42):
Actually it just was from the actual iron pills that
I started to take. So I did take an iron
supplement and so that's something and the ones that I
take are not hard to the stomach, because that was
something else too that I used to try to take
different ones, and I used to get sick from iron pills,
and so I got to a point that I had
stopped taking them and then and of course, not with
the you know, technology, things have definitely changed without you know,

(38:05):
the pills were back then versus you know now. So
then I'm like, okay, I can do this because the
lot of the ones that I use are actually they're
all plant based ones, but it actually just like you know,
just the little you know, the little dose that goes
into the actual pills themselves, and I'm like, okay, this
is enough. And then I can automatically tell the difference
in my body, and I can tell the difference when
I don't take them as well too, which that's also

(38:25):
an interesting thing that when I'm not paying attention or
staying on top of my vitamins, because that happens, you know, was.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
We're all not perfect.

Speaker 4 (38:34):
Where it's like, you know, there might be a day
or two that I might miss, but then I will
notice right away too when that day or two happens,
and so I have to, you know, make sure I
put like reminders in my phone and things like that
to make sure that I'm saying on top of it.

Speaker 5 (38:47):
So okay, So I went to that to today right
for some odd reason, they don't know, they haven't got
the tails back yet, but my blood pressure was high
m hm. And they took it three times. She was like,
take a deep breath, take a breath, take a deep breath,
and kept going up, up and up, and I'm just like,
I'm just like, well, Tom, I'm texting you. You're not responding,

(39:15):
you know. And I'm like she was like, what are
you eating? And I'm like, I barely you know what
I mean, I barely eat her. I said, but I
haven't having more fast food than I normally do or whatever.
And then she was like, no, it's something that's going on.
I said, well, I am strussed. I got these events
coming up, and she was like, no, that's not it
or whatever.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
She was just like.

Speaker 5 (39:36):
Really on me, and it just kept going up, and
I'm just like she was she was scared.

Speaker 4 (39:41):
I said she was, and she would have actually left
the room and let you like have a few moments
to breathe, because I don't think that they realized that
when you're so when you're constantly going to doctors like that,
that causes a panic within itself because you're like, I
don't know what you're gonna come up with next. That's

(40:01):
a real life, you old thing where it's like I
don't know what you're gonna come to me with this time.

Speaker 5 (40:05):
Yeah, And I was just like and I see it
going up, so I'm looking I'm just like, okay, this hypertension,
Like was like what And I look at her.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
She's like on me, like she's, you know, mothering me.
And I was like, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
I can't seven that I was just telling you about.

Speaker 5 (40:24):
So I was saying not to say, like, you know,
even though nothing has came back here, like what would
you suggest, like as far as natural things.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
Or just like I was just mentioning like doing the
breath work also to looking at like beat juice is
something that also helps when it comes to blood pressure.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
I did, and I actually.

Speaker 4 (40:42):
I'm gonna probably do a video about it because I
haven't tried it yet, but I actually found a juice
It's like beat ginger and I think lemon, and it's
supposed to basically like I guess the lemon and ginger
a supposed to kill the beat because I'm not a
fan of beat either beats either. But I've had juice
that has had beats mixed in it where you can't
taste it, and I'm like, that's what I like. I'm like,
I needed to be like this. So I'm gonna go

(41:03):
ahead and try this juice and see. Because I did
the last one. I went to my doctor, my cholesterol
is actually borderline and so he was like, you know,
I want you to go ahead, and you know, look
at you know, trying this. That's because at first they're
trying to put me on the pill.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
And I said, now, you know you're funny. You're a
funny guy.

Speaker 4 (41:22):
I'm not about to take this pill. I said, So
what other you know, options do I have? And I said,
you know what, don't even worry about it. And I
pulled on my phone and I just start. I said, Okay,
I could do plant sterols, I could do this, I
could do that. He's like okay, He's like, well where
are you gonna do it? So I'm gonna do the
plant sterols. I'm gonna see how that goes until the
next time I see you. And that's pretty much what
I've been doing is just that and just kind of
like watching like you know, like you said, but also

(41:42):
to depend upon your age, like when you hit like
mid thirties and up, that little perry person tries to
come through as well. And that also messages for hormones,
and so that's also something to also consider too, because
the pause is real and I that's an other, you know, thing.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
To also consider as well.

Speaker 4 (42:02):
So it's just the those are a few things, but
definitely look at your stress and see how you can
carve out more time for yourself.

Speaker 5 (42:12):
Because I'm like, I'm like, I was just thinking. I
was like, I got sneeving's going on. I was like,
I'm gonna be ready gone home. She's like, no, that's
not it. I'm like, well, I'm like okay.

Speaker 4 (42:24):
Like, well it's the steventh and speaking there's racism. You
guys can't find out what's wrong with me? You keep
giving me a pill for things?

Speaker 2 (42:32):
What else do you want me to say? Is going on?

Speaker 5 (42:34):
Damn? I was trying to put me on the peel like,
and I was looking at her like you freaking me out?
Like what I'm looking at her like, I was like,
you're freaking me out. She was like, we need to
figure out what's going on. And you know, I was
there for a passman because you know, individuals with lucas
has to get papsters done because you can have a
number pat.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
Yeah, so that's what I was there for. And here
she go with.

Speaker 5 (42:55):
The the blood pressure like it's going it's going up.

Speaker 4 (43:01):
I'm like, but you know the thing and actually going
back to what you're saying with the path The other
thing though, to be concerned about when they say the abnormal.
I don't think people realize that when they do the paths,
a lot of times they're plucking from the same spot
and they're not allowing the body to heal from that
initial one. And so that's the other thing to also
consider that, Yeah, there's a possible that you could get

(43:21):
an abnormal and the next one be regular because they
might have pinched it from a different spot. But if
your doctor has a tendency to go for the same
you know, keeps going to the same spot, that's another
thing to also be to be mindful of. And they
really don't tell you.

Speaker 5 (43:37):
Now they don't tell you, and you got to educate,
Like I have my doctor life forever.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
You know what I'm saying. I have my doctor life forever.
And you have to educate yourself.

Speaker 5 (43:44):
Like when I was I put it on the book
like what I was going for, and somebody from Michigan
was just like, you know my doctor said, no, that's
not true. And I'm like, you have to educate yourself.
You have the doctors are is as good as you
and sometimes will make doctors good. They practice outside of
they practice, you know, become specialists. So you gotta know

(44:04):
what you're going for. You gotta know what they're doing
and all that other stuff. You gotta talk to them.
You got to tell them too, like you got to
tell them too. And if you're not an advocate for yourself,
then they're just gonna do what they want to do.

Speaker 4 (44:14):
No, absolutely, Like I have Google alerts set up that
tells me about it, like it's I have one set
up for chronic pain. I have one that set up
for chronic pain and people of color, and I have
one for speaking events and I get and I get
emails every day that tells me here's the top things
that are going on with chronic pain research, different things
that are happening. Might say something bout lupus, somebody, I
say something about five bro m, I say something about

(44:34):
back pain, like whatever it is. I get those on
a daily basis because I want to know what's going
on in my you know, in my area, so that
way I can say something then too. It is you know,
kind of commiclos sometimes because there's not like my primary
care physician amazing the other ones. And he apologized to
me because he was like, I'm sorry that I sent.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
You to them.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
He's like, I'm sorry that I said. He's like I
thought that they can help out because he referred. He
was like I thought that they'd be on help me
with them. So I So that's my guy, Like he's
he's cool, and so he'll you know, say like, hey,
you know, this is what's going on. This is what
you might want to look at, and like I'll talk
with him and say, hey, you know, this is you know,
just a heads up, like I don't know if you

(45:14):
saw this yet, and like so we'll like trade off,
you know, information with each other. Well I'll say, hey,
you know, I just saw this study. Did you know
that this just came out.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
He's like, no, I didn't know. I came forward it
to like so I like forward it to him.

Speaker 4 (45:26):
And so being able to go ahead and to do that,
but you know, he said, it's unfortunate had to happen
this way because of what happened. Because he told me,
he was like, because of your particular you know, your case,
you know, for your case, he said, your case really
opened up my eyes to how, you know, how the
system is.

Speaker 5 (45:43):
And that's crazy, you know, just to hear that, like
I can visualize that in sentences because of what I
went through and to see you like just moving, grooving, walking,
and one.

Speaker 4 (45:54):
Time because he was like, he's as you want to
you want to steer.

Speaker 5 (45:57):
CLI like yeah, I am, yes, you know, And I
just feel like doctors should be more mindful, Like they
should have some more classes and I know they got
on learning and things like that, but they need other
things like culture learning and more on the eyes and

(46:18):
physical things, because you you should not be able to
look at a patient and be like, oh, no, nothing's
wrong with you.

Speaker 4 (46:23):
But then that's also another thing too that oftentimes, like
when it comes to the actual students that are learning
they're not learning I'm millenated people. They are learning on
non millenated people. And that's where a lot of the
systems and things that are set up. So for example,
there's actually I just and I afforded you as a
ted talk that you just came out on Saturday this

(46:43):
past Saturday, and it's a Southeast Asian lady and she was,
you know, talking about because she's like as a medical student,
and she's talking about how you know, people are not
being taken that melenated people are not taking, are not
being properly cared for because of the fact that people
can't recognize the different skin things because it'll safe for

(47:05):
a person like oh, well it's gonna come up as
a bruise and this and this, well, if it's a
personal color, the bruise is not going to come up.
Or a prime example Mongolian spots. And she was talking
about how a lady almost got her child taken because
she came in with the baby was saying, hey, I'm
concerned about you know, about what's going on, not because
she didn't know it's her first child, so she didn't
know that Mongolian spots spots were so she brought the

(47:29):
baby and said, hey, I don't know what's going on.
I'm noticing this. They call CPS on her, who are
you serious? And they were about to take it, you know,
about to and then it happened to be that they're like, well,
wait a minute, like have you actually because they were
saying that the baby was bruised all over. Well, no,
the baby wasn't bruised all over. It's the Mongolian spots.
People with lupis get bruises all the time.

Speaker 5 (47:48):
It's out of nowhere. Fiber milesers, Yeah, people with lucas
had fiberroiles as well. It can't be that ignite, are
you serious?

Speaker 4 (47:58):
But they don't pay attention, that's the thing. It's fortunate
that they don't look at that. And even like for
the aspect of pain, there was actually a believer was
in twenty sixteen. It's about approximately sixty percent of medical
students that were first and second year residents thought that
people of color had thicker skin and therefore could withstand
more pain.

Speaker 5 (48:17):
That don't even make any sense. Pain come from the nerves,
what sensors in the brain that talks to you. Just
what the skin has anything to do with anything. That's
how school, that's how the systems are set up. So
that's what you're looking at for They in medical school,
they did not think that that's that's that's dermatology sixteen survey.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Are you serious dermatology?

Speaker 2 (48:45):
No, it was I don't know if it was skin.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
I'm just saying that's the skin, that's thermal that we
had a higher pain. But that also goes back to
the experimentation on us though, too. That makes you know
from also from them, you know, doing the experiments the
Lovely God know, the doctor of gynecology, you know, doing
all those experiments on women of color without anesthesia, and

(49:08):
you know all those different things, and so it's like
when you start to get deeper into how the systems
and things are set up, it does make you be
very leary on when you're going. And of course I'm
not anti doctors, So before anybody comes through here and
says that, you know, I'm not, it's just that I'm
anti uninformed doctors. I want you to be informed. I

(49:30):
want you to actually build a relationship with your patients.
I want you to spend more than you know, five
to ten minutes, like my primary care physician even though
he should not be. He definitely spends at least a
good half an hour to forty five minutes with you
and gets to know you.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
He prays with you like the whole entire.

Speaker 4 (49:46):
Nine but then also to ends up being behind because
he's making sure that he's taking that time with his
patients to get to know them and find out what
they truly need.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
And I'm glad you said that.

Speaker 5 (49:58):
My doctor is always behind, But I show her because
she takes out that we be talking, joking, talking about
my outside stuffs that don't even matter.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
She just has that.

Speaker 5 (50:08):
She builds that a corp and then she asked me
everything that I need and all the other things. But
that is sad because where I work out or whatever,
and when I was a floor nurse, they do have
you on a time frame, and that time frame does
not allow you to do what it is that you
need to do for them.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Correct.

Speaker 5 (50:28):
It just does not allow you to do that. The
people that's under you get penalized for that. It makes
no sense. So the way the system is set up
is not to care for the patient.

Speaker 4 (50:42):
It's so it's only trauma based, and that's the thing
that's only just to basically get you out the door,
let's go ahead and patch you up, and let's get
you to where you need to be going to absolutely
and that's why it's like, you know, now we have
to go ahead and basically we have to take care
of ourselves. And unfortunately, it's not something that we're necessarily
taught in school. It's something that you know, you might
see from family. Like for me, like I mentioned, my

(51:04):
family is originally from the West Indies and so therefore
I have different things that I was taught to do
when I get sick, versus like others where it used
to be very interesting with myself and my ex husband,
we'll be like, okay, like well I need to do
this and this with the kids, you're like, what is that?

Speaker 2 (51:17):
What are you rubbing on?

Speaker 5 (51:18):
Now?

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Like what you doing? What's going on?

Speaker 4 (51:20):
Like they're gonna be all right though, they're gonna be okay,
We're gonna knock this out, you know, whatever it's called,
and thing is going on. But it's just being able
to now go back to what you originally you know,
we're taught and it's sometimes for I should have say
sometimes for a lot of us. You know, it's just
being able to kind of tap back into yourself again
and being like, Okay, you know, like I remember my
grandma doing this, so I remember this, like.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
What is this?

Speaker 4 (51:41):
And he might sit back and be like, oh, I
do remember seeing her do this or do that. And
then you start asking around you find out, oh, there
is a particular thing that you could be doing from
your family.

Speaker 5 (51:51):
And now, sure, it's a lot of my words that
I tell them, like remenies that they they do at
home and stuff that I used to do to my
kids instead of just going to the doctors all the times.
It's a lot of things that you can do at
home to hear your children. Yeah, absolutely sure.

Speaker 4 (52:03):
And then my other thing too is that I also,
you know, and't believe in plant based medicine, and so
I'm a big proponent for like CBD, you know, because
we're in Wisconsin. So being able to go ahead and say,
you know, CBD was a big piece that like helped
me when I was getting off of the medications and
things as well too, because I still was having like
the last thing that I couldn't get off of, which
I just said I thought I couldn't get off of,

(52:24):
was my migraine medication, and it was just because whenever
my migraine will come on, I'd have to take this pill,
and unfortunately, it would bring the migraine all the way through,
but then it would like stop it, and then I
would kind of be okay for a couple of days,
and then I would have like another, like many headaches
that would come after that. And so I was starting
to have a migraine, you know, starting to come and
I would still with my kids when we're watching a movie,

(52:44):
and I said to my son, I said, I gotta
go lay down. And he looked at me. He said, oh,
you're about to get a headache, aren't you, because like
you know, you start, you know, your kids, you know,
let's start to pay attention to you never know what's
going on. I say, yeah, I am my. So I'm
just gonna go upstairs and take some of them go
lay down. He's like, all right, well, i'll see you
in a couple of days, because you know, they know
how it is. And so I said, I had the
you know, the CBD oil right here, and I had

(53:05):
the box right here, and I looked, I said, okay,
I'm gonna try this first. If this doesn't work, I
still got this you know that I always take anyway.
So I took took the first you know, dos to
the CBD, and I wasn't laid down. I told my son,
I said, hey, I am I took you know, I took
something about to go lay down.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
So he didn't know what I took.

Speaker 4 (53:21):
I just said I took something out to lay down, right,
So I laid down, and I want to say, maybe
ten to fifteen minutes later, I was I sat up
and I was like, wait a minute, where did my
head ache go? Like this is not okay? So and
then I got up and I came out the room
and my son like he kind of like popped up.
He's like, mah, you okay, what's going on? I need
to call somebody like what. I was like, I'm like, no,

(53:42):
I said I actually, I said, I feel good. I
saw them gonna come down and finish watch movies with y'all.
He was like you sure, I say yeah, So I
came down there, you know, I sat down and watched
the movies with him.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Everything.

Speaker 4 (53:51):
He kind of y'all looking at me, just peeking, you know,
over now again to make sure it I'm okay. And
then I'm like okay, you guys are done. Now we
were done with the movies and everything. I was like,
my wanma go to bed. He was like, okay, so
I'm gonna look at you, you know, so I'm gonna check
on you during the night. And I took like another
dose of it before I laid it back down. But
I laid down, and I think I heard them like
probably like you know, popping my room just to kind

(54:12):
of like look at me and see. But I got
the next day and I was fine, and I was like, okay,
so that works, and that you know, worked for me,
and then I realized like, oh, it actually started to
help for like my nerve pain that I had as
well too. Because I was on the highest dose of
gabapending that you could take. I was taking three three
pills three times a.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Day, so that's oh, yeah, it is.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
I was taking thirty six hundred milligrams a day and.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
It wasn't working.

Speaker 4 (54:39):
No. On top of lyrics well too, and yeah, I
was taking all of them. So when I say like
I was taking fifteen, you know, fifteen medications thirty pills
a day, that was part of that cocktail of things
that I was taking.

Speaker 5 (54:54):
I'm so happy you just like got rid of that
and you own what you own right now.

Speaker 4 (55:01):
It's such a huge difference the thing those too. It's like,
you know, my body still like it's still detoxing, you know,
from it. Like there's still be times where I'm just like, Okay,
you know, I notice different things, but it's like I'm
glad that my body has had that opportunity to kind
of flush those things out. And it's like, as I'm
learning more and more about different things to do, I
just you know, pay attention to it. And sometimes so
I don't even realize, like I might be doing something

(55:23):
that well I should say like this, my body knows
my brain might not be you know, aware of it,
so I just might go with it, and I'll be like, well,
wait a minute, like I inherently just did that, Like
I know. It's like lately I've been hearing about like
papaya cleanses and things like that, and people eating like
papia seeds like help cleanse and parasites and different things
like that, and I'm like, I see papias all the
time growing up in the seeds and stuff, and it's

(55:44):
like that was just something that was intrinsically in me
because that's what my family did and that's how we
did or with watermelons, you know, swallowing the seeds and
things like that. So now when people are talking about
I'm like, okay, I'm like people are starting to kind
of get because of the right, but also the gifting,
the curse.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
The Internet.

Speaker 4 (56:00):
You know, people got something you know, learn but also
to you're able to go ahead and share those different things.
Like I'm in a herbal group on you know, on Facebook,
and last night I was watching because a lady had
posted about doing herbal baths and and say, I think
it was.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Might've been in Trinidad.

Speaker 4 (56:20):
And I'm like responding because there's another girl that was
on there saying, oh, you know we're I'm West Indiana.
No no, and we did this and I said, yeah,
I said, and I also did this too, and I
said yeah, Like my granny would have like this bottle
in the fridge that had all the stuff on this
everything and you you know, rub it on the kids
and like you know, talking about stretching their bodies and
massaging them and everything, and it's things that you know,
sometimes you don't realize that you're kind of doing it,

(56:41):
like culturally, but then seeing that, oh, here are the
actual you know kind of like the the quote unquote
you know science behind it, like for example with the
stretching and like rubbing coconut oil and helping to kind
of stretch the body out and the joints and everything.
And I did it with all three of my kids,
and two out of three are taller.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Than me, and I maybe it's from restressing kind of.

Speaker 4 (57:04):
My kids are like, well, I guess your mind and
stretch you and ough or whatever, you know, because I'm
shorter than them. So I'm just like, I'm five six, y'all.
I'm not like a little person, you know, just like
but you know, compared to them.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
That is funny. That is funny. So you think that word?

Speaker 2 (57:16):
I think it does. I think it is okay.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
So I have a question. What do you think about?

Speaker 2 (57:21):
This is?

Speaker 1 (57:22):
What do you think about? I think it's called hip hemp.
I'm in soap.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
What do you think about that?

Speaker 5 (57:30):
Because you can use that almost on anything, And in
my head, I'm like, if you could use that as soap,
but then if you can dilute it and use it
as logy, deterregent and all purpose cleaner and all these
things like is it really safe to use it as soap?

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Well, think about it.

Speaker 4 (57:50):
You can use lemon and stuff as far as you're
cleaning as well too, So I mean there's different things
that when you put the combination together, it actually is
like it can clean different things. So it's like when
you're thinking about it that way and looking as a
natural aspect, Yeah, I mean you also got to read
the definitely read with water. That's what all the ingredients

(58:11):
as far as like what is actually in everything that
you can pronounce?

Speaker 1 (58:15):
There you go.

Speaker 4 (58:18):
That's because that's the other thing too. I have a
firm believer that yes I can pronounce ken wa. But
still you know, being able to go ahead and look
at it if you can read whatever it is on
the thing.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Yeah, I was looking at that.

Speaker 5 (58:27):
I'm like, how is it safe to use as soap?
But you also use as agent and all purpose cleaning?

Speaker 4 (58:34):
But yeah, I mean, because you're if you're cleaning your clothes,
you're clean your body.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
It's just as less chemicals.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
I guess. Okay, Well I had to ask because I'm like,
I see it.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
And it's a good question to ask.

Speaker 4 (58:52):
I said, no such thing as a bad question because
if you don't know things too, is like you can
be asking a question for somebody else that might not
be able to ask a question because they're like I
don't want nobody, you know, to feel a way about me.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
Which that's another thing.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
I don't give a cry.

Speaker 5 (59:05):
I'm gonna ask exactly. I'm gonna ask because I just
I want to know. Like I'm like, I can use this,
this for everything, right and all it has. All it
is is you adding different amounts of water for each
thing that you use.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (59:25):
Did you seek out any did you seek out any
doctors or any community that support your move towards holistic
treatments and how did they influence your decisions.

Speaker 4 (59:38):
I definitely went like the alternative route, so like I did,
I tried acupuncture, I tried chiropractors.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
Let's see what else. Massage therapy.

Speaker 4 (59:49):
Massage therapy is like my top thing that that has
to that stays in my life, that that's something that
cannot go away.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
That's just that is a you know a thing for me.

Speaker 4 (59:58):
Yoga, I definitely want to try platies for real, like
I've done like the in the house type situation, but
I want to definitely, you know, go ahead and go
that route. Also trying to think of other things I've
done too, like SNA's like the cold therapy, not so
much to cold therapy because I'm still kind of, you know,
leery with it.

Speaker 5 (01:00:18):
Like like the cold cold therapy, like how you who
just who.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Just did that?

Speaker 4 (01:00:23):
Like the cold showers I have not done, like the
cold plunge types of that. One is that one's a
little tricky because I know I've heard where it says, like,
you know, when you're having like chronic pain and things
like that, that it could help, and I'm just like,
in my mind, my thing is that like when it
gets cold around here and we go outside and my
body goes to the shock and I can't take it.

(01:00:45):
I said, I don't think that that's the same thing
for me to actually jump into some water. But I mean,
I'm not opposed to it. It might be something I
might do down the line. It might have to be
like one hundred degrees outside and then I jump in
there and I'm not gonna offset it. I don't have
a lot of stuff set up with this. It ain't
just gonna be like you know, I'm gonna be like Okay,
we gotta have this whole list of things none first,

(01:01:05):
and if it's set up this way, I'm gonna go
ahead and do it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
Child.

Speaker 5 (01:01:10):
I could never I sink toylea do it and she
was just like, I don't know, it looks painful, Paul.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
I think it's just one of those things.

Speaker 4 (01:01:20):
But also to I feel like with breath work, you
probably could definitely.

Speaker 5 (01:01:25):
Because my fingers like burn when it's cohed. Me too,
so I would know.

Speaker 4 (01:01:29):
I probably that's nerve when you're yeah, like.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
They be burning. So I just I just I couldn't
imagine that. Yeah, I would have to. They would have
to guarantee me.

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
Like, but that's what I'm saying. I have a whole
bunch of stipulations. Who set up I'm like, well, I
have to make this work.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
I'm like, if not, I can't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
Oh my god.

Speaker 5 (01:01:48):
So do you How can people find you so like
for your holistic thing?

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
Right? Are you in a clinic?

Speaker 5 (01:01:57):
Do you have a private study like people like me, Mike?
How are you accessible?

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Very good questions so you can reach out to me?

Speaker 4 (01:02:09):
My website is I am chronically resilient dot com? Can
you please put that in the check, so I am
chronically resilient dot com. You can also reach me on Instagram,
which is I am chronically Resilient, and then also on
Facebook is just my name Soriita Bewemind. So those are
definitely three ways also to social media wise, I'm also

(01:02:33):
on LinkedIn under my name let me think what else.
And also I'm gonna throw my number out here because
I'm you know, I ain't too I ain't too proud.
Two six two to zero seven for zero six seven.
That's two six two to zero seven for zero six seven.
That is my business line. So that does only work

(01:02:53):
during business hours. So I'm just like big Rid. My
business hours are from and they are listing on my
site is well, so I will definitely respond to the
next you know, business day as well too, or or
like I said, business safe it's on the weekend. You
got to give me some grace now, and those would
be the ways. I I'm currently getting ready to launch

(01:03:17):
my course, so I'm working on that. I also am
doing workshops as well too, so if you are like
in a business and we're like, hey, you know, we
need a workshop for what you're doing, which I customize
my workshops as well, so you can always reach out
to me and say, hey, Rita, we need self care
for you know, people that are living with lupus or
they have kind of conditions. What is that gonna what

(01:03:39):
that look like for us? Or how can we start
our healing journey because we know that our healing journey
is different because it's not like this because of this,
and so it's.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
I was just about to ask you that.

Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
So it's all those you know, different things like that
that I can definitely you know, customize.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
You know, we.

Speaker 4 (01:03:56):
Discuss budget, you know, if you're a person like, hey,
my employer could really you know, I noticed there's a
lot of us that actually have it, you know, in
our job or something like let me talk to my
HR and say, hey, you know, I know someone that
could actually come in and could do you know a
workshop for us?

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Maybe this could help us.

Speaker 4 (01:04:12):
And I have, like I used to work in HR
back in the day too, so I kind of have
that familiar aspect of it to be like, hey, you
could even hear here's a tip. You go in right
and you say, hey, do y'all you know, I'm concerned
about how much I'm paying for my health insurance have
y'all ever paid attention what are like maybe the top
concerns that we that your notice in the in the

(01:04:32):
population of the employees, because those are things that could
actually number one, help lower y'all, you know, lower how
much you're paying for your insurance from your employer. But
then also too, that's helping to educate the staff as well,
so it's being able to go ahead. And it's kind
of like a trade off, you know when you look
at it that way too, because the things like you
you have to pour into your workforce, you know, if

(01:04:55):
you don't take care you know, prime example, there was
a survey that was unactually pre pandemic that in the
United States alone, three hundred billion dollars is lost a
year due to people not able to work because of
them living with chronic pain. So that's some calling to
work saying that they can't work, and that's the money
that's being lost. So this is what you're losing because

(01:05:18):
your employees cannot work from your business. So if you're
taking some of that three hundred billion to put back
into your you know, your staff, you might be in
a better position.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
And that's where you come in at absolutely, Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
Oh also public speaking as well too, so if you've
heard the voice for quite some time, and that's the
other thing, So I do, you know, come in and
you know we can discuss you know, what you would
need for me to speak on as well too. I've
done you know, keynote speeches and things as well, So
I'm I'm open. You know, My goal is I want
to make sure that we're able to heal. And you know,

(01:05:53):
healing in community is truly best. You know, when you
get a person you know, pushed to their you know,
by themselves, that's when and like my granny used to say,
you know, the idle mind is the devil's playground, and
that's when those times when those things start to you know,
come up in the mind where you know, you might
start thinking. Like I said, you know, I had a
moment where that was you know, I thought that I
was not going to be here, and that's why I

(01:06:15):
had to also, you know, make sure for myself that
I keep a reminder and I've got tattooed on me
that says my story isn't over beautiful, and I keep
this on me so I can look at it when
I have those moments where I'm like, okay, what is
going on? What has happened? I'm like, well, wait a minute.
You getting a little idol over here? What happens when
you feel like my granny be tapping my should like

(01:06:35):
I need you to go and go in and do
something like okay, I need to go ahead and you know,
quote unquote move around or you know, go ahead and
look at what you know, look to what I am
supposed to be doing. And of course there are going
to be things that at the moment might be a hindrance,
but that also is something that now you have to
work through and overcome because that's that part of your

(01:06:56):
journey that then it's going to be able to cantapult
you to that next level.

Speaker 5 (01:07:00):
Absolutely, And what do you say for people that try
to challenge the holistic side versus the medication side.

Speaker 4 (01:07:08):
I just say, you know, let's look at the let's
look at the side effects. That's all I That's all
I want to look at, is like, let's look at
the data, because I feel like now a lot of
times it's a science space thing or the saying. So
now that there is more research that's coming out on
the holistic side of things, I can be like, hey,
you want that, I got this, Like we want to

(01:07:30):
play space what we're doing?

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
You got a book? Like what's going on? Like you know,
like because we can go ahead and we can do that.
You know, we can discuss that.

Speaker 4 (01:07:37):
I mean even like looking at like I mentioned CBD
but also THC as well, you're looking at all those
different things. I mean, Willie Nelson just turned ninety two.
What did Willy Nelson do.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
All day lone?

Speaker 5 (01:07:54):
And like as far as the numbers too, like just
me knowing what anything like. Uh, it's when it comes
to employment or the research and things like that, people
pick and choose what goes into the data, like everything
you had they tested and all that stuff. But people
do have to understand like people pick and choose what
they put into the data for the data to look good.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
So even then you everything is questionable.

Speaker 5 (01:08:19):
So it's just what it is that you want to
go with, like medication work, holistic thing work, different things work.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
So it's just what direction that you want to go in.

Speaker 4 (01:08:29):
And the thing also too, is that it is your
different right and it's also your you know, your choice
and your thing is like you know, being able to
kind of put the put it back into your hands,
because I feel like a lot of times alive it's
been taught as a dictatorship, you know, where it's like
the doctor's telling you what to do and you have
to do it like this or else, and it's like, well, no,
this is supposed to be a partnership.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
This is my body. You ain't never spent the day
in my body.

Speaker 4 (01:08:50):
How you gonna tell me, you know, how I'm feeling
or what's going on with me? When I'm saying to you,
like this is not normal for me, Like this might
sound normal for or X y Z and susie Q,
but for me, that's not what this is. So I
need you to kind of figure out what this could
possibly be. And by the way, I need this tested,
this tested, this test, and this test. I know that

(01:09:12):
this is covered under my assurance. You have to just
go ahead and put this in so that shouldn't be
an issue.

Speaker 5 (01:09:17):
And that's where it comes for people today, own homework
and not just go somewhere and expect for them to
know exactly what's going on with you and your assurance.
So it takes work on their end as well. They're
trying to get better to it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:29):
Absolutely, you have to go ahead and do the things
for yourself too, because unfortunately they're not going to do
it for you. You have to you have to be
your own champion, You have to be your own advocate.
You have to go ahead and say these things. And
if it's a situation where you're at a point where
you're not feeling strong enough for that, that's when you
reach out to us and say, hey, you know what,

(01:09:52):
I've been doing this for too long by myself. I
need assistance with this. That's not you saying that you're
weak at all. It's like, now, okay, now we got
the village together. We're now gonna go ahead and get
you know, get whatever it is that we need to get.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
Who can you know who can talk on your behalf?

Speaker 4 (01:10:09):
Do you have someone that you could know as a
like all you know, POA or things like that, like
all these different things.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
Let's look at who could be your medical seragate.

Speaker 4 (01:10:16):
You know, it's so many different things that you could
look at to make sure that you're taken care of.
But it's like, we also need to know these things
and that's not information that's readily available either.

Speaker 5 (01:10:26):
Yeah, you got to be honest to yourself. You gotta
know your triggers. And unfortunately, like when it comes to
the black and brown community, people think it's all in
the mind, But when it comes to the other community,
people just go ahead and fix and patch and give
them whatever it is that they need. So it's just unfortunate.
You know, we got the power. We just got to

(01:10:48):
come together as one, you know, because we make more
noise together versus separation, and once we learn that, then
we'll be better off as one than separated.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
So no, absolutely.

Speaker 5 (01:11:00):
With that being said, I do thank you so much
for coming. It's been a pleasure having you. We have
so much more to talk about. We don't want to forget.
May third, please do register at www dot Lucas has
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(01:11:23):
be in the building. She also will have her vending
table in the building with her amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Banging body butters.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
Here you go.

Speaker 4 (01:11:33):
Just make sure because I have a limited supply right now,
because there is a certain person that has these things
called tariffs going on right now that is making it
a little difficult for some of us people that like
to make our products for our clients, so we're trying
to find workarounds. So you want to get my limited supply,
So don't feel a way if you don't see a size.

(01:11:54):
I need you to just come on through through. We
see the glow, you see I have it on me
right now. And as I often say, don't get caught ashy.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
Please come on through and.

Speaker 4 (01:12:04):
Make sure because this is all stuff that is good
for your system. It's everything is organic and stuff that
unless you are allergic to plant based items, you should
be fine.

Speaker 5 (01:12:15):
So yes, come get it. Come hear her. She's going
to be one of the dope speaker as well. It's
going to be some other amazing people in the building.
They all have licenses education behind their names, so you're
definitely gonna get a mouth full.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
Come network.

Speaker 5 (01:12:31):
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Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
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Speaker 5 (01:12:37):
Come get informed. May third, from two to four. You
would not be disappointed until next time.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
See you soon.

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