Madonna Worship The Podcast Episode 002 Like It Or Not

Stevie and Chauncey take a trip back to 2005 and discuss the Confessions on a Dance Floor album and it's subsequent megalith of a tour as well as the moments in her career that led up to and informed such a worldwide smash.

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Episode Transcript

(00:21):
Hey, Steve Ah Johncey, weare back with episode two of the Madonna
Worship Podcast. I know it's exciting. Episode two. We actually got to
got to our second episode. Oftentimes, I definitely have ideas to do things
and then I you know, likethe first episode or the first version,

(00:42):
the first installment of something, andthen like I forget or like I just
put it off and then but I'mhappy we're we're keeping it alive. I've
already had people ask me like canI be on the show. I'm like,
can we get to the second episodefirst? I know, I had
a couple of people too. Actuallyat your your Madonna WE'SIP birthday party.

(01:03):
Oh hey, I listen to theshow is great. Hey if you ever
need a guest, I know,right, so funny. It's like I'm
like, let us get to likeat least maybe the second or third episode
before we have a guest. Butyeah, no, I would love to
have guests. I would love toeventually have like, you know, like
some people that we don't necessarily knowpersonally, but like someone who's involved with
Madonna in some way to kind ofget some inside scoop on the podcast.

(01:29):
Well, last last time you know, we kind of went on different tangents
and all that because we kind ofwant to introduce you to the flow of
the show and how we how weplan on talking. Me and Stevie came
up with this idea a couple monthsago on the corner in the West Village,
and we made it happen. We'reexcited. So we did a little
poll on the on the podcast pageand I don't know how many people voted.

(01:55):
It could have been four people whovoted, But everybody wants us to
talk about the Confessions on the DanceFloor album. So that's definitely something that
Stevie's very excited about, very likeany anybody who knows me knows like I
could sit here and talk about thisrecord for for days. I mean,
there's so much about it. Yeah, you know what it is. I

(02:16):
think that for me, maybe foryou too, maybe not. I don't
know. It hit at the righttime, it really did. It hit
at the right time in my lifewhere I needed it. So I hold
it to like a very high caliberlike it. It has such a special
place in my heart. So Imean just just you know, even like

(02:39):
life things that were going around,like going on at the time, that
record is associated with that. Soyeah, because the album, like the
era before it was the American Lifeera, and it was you know,
she was she was, you know, blacklisted and everybody you know was mad
at her, and you know itwas you know, it was right the

(03:00):
Iraq War was starting, and youknow, she she made her statement.
You know, so we went fromlike ray of Light to music, which
ray of Light was the spiritual thing. Music was like the fun, little
quirky, cyber cowboy kind of thing, and then you know, we didn't
know what was going to be next, and then she like she fell off
the horse. I mean actually right, this is right after after Live eight,

(03:23):
Live eight, right, it wascalled Live eight and she did the
stellar performance all in white where shedid Ray of Light and music and what
else? What else? What othersong was she doing that show? There
was another one? Well, Iknow it was I know she did ray
of Light, didn't she do?Imagine? Was that a Live eight?
I thought that was that the hopefor Haiti thing? I know she did

(03:45):
one other song was it was probablya dancy song or whatever. But like
she came off of that where shewas kind of like, you know,
like just celebrating her music and allthat. She didn't really have a new
song out. It was like twothousand and four, Yeah, two thousand
and four, and then she felloff the horse and we were like,
oh my god, Like I hadhorrible fears about you know, Christopher Reeve's
being paralyzed, and you know,everybody was made cracking jokes and of course

(04:10):
like they do with Madonna and sayinglike, oh, she fell off her
high horse. I remember that waslike the the New York Times headline or
the New York Post headline or whatever. And of course, yeah, of
course we go. You know,I always go into like soldier mode and
I like defend her as much asI can, and I you know,
especially when she was you know,back in two thousand and fifteen, when

(04:32):
she fell off the stage at theat the Wars, I had to like
literally like sign off the internet forlike two days because I knew there's gonna
be so much vitriol about her faultbeing yanked off stage and all that.
But I mean confessions came right after. You know, I remember the was
it the Hello Motto commercial where sheactually bought a roller rocker? Yeah?
Can we talk about that? Yeah, she actually had she actually had a

(04:57):
what you call it, like whatare they called when you're ar is not
a cast but like a sling,Yeah, like the in the commercial.
So she was in the little telephonebooth and that kind of introduced hung Up
to us because you know, itwas about the telephone and yeah, and
I actually I bought that phone specifically, really I did, Buddy the Motorolla
Rocker you won. It was thefirst phone that had iTunes on it.

(05:19):
And yes, hung Up was myringtone. That's hysterical. You know.
I will dig up a photo andI'll tag you in the story so you
could post it. I have aphoto of it. Yeah, I think
I actually got my first cell phone, like just a couple of years before
that, Like I was one ofthe last of my friends to get a

(05:39):
cell phone. Like my friend Aaron, who I lived with, she still
had a landline, so we stillused I used the landline as my phone,
and then I think like halfway intojust living together, I was like,
you know what, I need tojust get a grip and get a
phone. So I think two thousandand three was when I got my first
cell phone. So I was likethe last one of my friends. But

(06:00):
yeah, like hung Up came out. I remember like something leaked about hung
Up. It was just like theinstrumental with like a dub. Yeah,
it was a very small snippet.And I remember because if you remember for
American Life, she because she wasyou know, probably still pissed because music
leaked. She released it on likevarious you know pirting you know services,

(06:26):
and it was just her saying,what the fuck do you think you're doing?
Exactly, and then somebody still that. I still have that clip I
played sometimes in between, I think, and then somebody hacked her website and
was like, this is what thefuck I'm doing and they posted they posted
it all of American Life. Soyeah, I don't remember if the entire

(06:46):
Confessions album leaked, because I promisedmyself I wouldn't listen to the leaks and
I did really well. I waslike, nope, I'm not going to
listen to any leaks. I'm notgoing to acquire anything. I want to
be surprised. Like I think itonly leaked like the day before something that
was back then when like things didn'tleak too far in advance. But I
think it was because it was probablylike available in other countries like the night

(07:10):
before, because I do remember listeningto the full album in my East Harlem
apartment. I remember I put onlike a like a disco light in my
room. I had like a lightthat like changed colors or whatever. I
shut off all the other lights,I put on my headphones. I just
looskedened to the whole album through,and it was, oh my god,

(07:30):
it was just mind blowing. LikeI had no idea what to expect.
I knew that Mere Ways had workedon like one or two songs, and
I had known Stuart Price's work becauseI just started DJing in two thousand and
two, and he used to goby the moniker Thin White Duke, and
he used to remix a lot ofpeople, like he remixed Gwen Stefani her
that what You're Waiting For a song. He remixed a lot of the electro

(07:54):
clash. He was part of theelectro clash generation in the early two thousands,
and that's why a lot of alot of the remixers from American Life
actually were big names in the electroclashscene, like mount Sims and you know,
she kind of did kind of AmericanLife kind of had like a like

(08:15):
an electroclash kind of sound to it. But then so we didn't know what
to expect for Confessions, you know, and I kind of was confused when
I heard the title too. Itwas like confessions on the dance floor,
what is this going to be about? And then we heard hung Up and
then you know, it was like, Okay, she's going full on like
late eighties, like early eighties,but like it was like aggressive but fun.

(08:39):
Like the beat is very like pounding, but it was like crickading.
Yeah, it's intoxicating, like thewhole idea of her. You know,
maybe it wasn't her idea, maybeit was Stuart's idea, but like just
like the CD version being a NonStopalbum, like like as a DJ set,
as a full NonStop like you putit on all the tracks, you

(09:03):
know, mix well together, likeit is well, I know, I
know Donna Summer had an album likethat, so I think I think it
was like a hearkening back to DonnaSummers. I don't remember the name of
which, which one of her albums, but one of her one of her
albums, it seemless like it goesstraight through it all on the radio,
on the radio. That makes sense, So Yeah, it was definitely like
a But what I found really interestingabout the whole album as a whole is

(09:26):
her her visuals were very disco andthat era, but like a lot of
the songs were very eighties sounding,like there was like an eighties like disco
I call it. I call itdisco, not quite high energy, but
just definitely just fun. Like itjust it was like otherworldly. There was

(09:48):
like a like you felt like youwere being transported to another place. Like
it really was a beautiful body ofwork. Like there's not one song on
the album that I want to skipreally, I mean, like when it
when I when I play it,it's straight through, Yeah, because it
really does tell a beautiful story.And you know, there's moments of you

(10:11):
know her talking about love. There'smoments of her talking about you're like forbidden
love, and then there's you knowher her song you Know Jump is one
of her like I Hearken it inthe family of like I keep saying hearken.
I don't know, I keep sayinghearken. I put it in the
family of like Spotlight and her likeinspirational songs like over and Over, like

(10:31):
her songs about like not giving upand doing what you want to do,
you know, like I think giveIt to Me is in that family from
Hard Candy Jump. You know,she had her that she definitely it's an
old school Madonna feeling where she's likedon't give up, or like you gotta
you gotta jump if you want tobe in the in the in the action,
like you can't just sit on thesidelines, you know, mm hmmm.

(10:52):
And again like it's spoke. Itspoke to me at that time.
It really did, like all ofthose every every every message that came across
on that record, like just ithit it hit it for me, like
hit every everything that that criteria fora perfect record, that this is it.

(11:16):
Hands I totally agree. I totallyagree, hands down. And even
the promotion for the record, Idon't do you remember you have to remember
the podcast, right, do youremember it was? The phone number was
one eight eight eight to confess,and people would call and leave, like
leave their confessions on the voicemail andthen it would be released as a podcast.

(11:41):
That's right. I forgot about thepodcast part, but I remember that
you would call and leave a confession. I mean, I wonder, I
wonder if that phone number is stillcall it. You know, we try
it. We could try that.You will try you know what, maybe
maybe we'll do it. Now,let's see, let's see what it is.
I'm gonna call get cut off.I don't no, no, no,

(12:03):
because I'm on my computer. Whentwo ce oh and f E S
because there was only one s.Yeah, because there's only ten numbers.
Let's see how funny that just outat the end of hung up? Thank

(12:26):
you for calling the hung up hotline. Yeah, we are completely hung up.
That's so funny. Was speaking ofhung up. I loved that she
did, like her little callback tolove song. Yes, you know,
there's a little call back to aVita. I feel like mm hmm,

(12:48):
I mean, don't cry for me, you know, like whatever it's I
mean. And then to get justjust to get like approval from Benny and
Bjorn from Abba who they let nobodytouch their stuff, Like, yeah,
that was pretty that was pretty onlyAnd I think I've seen interviews where like
Joran's like, yeah, we youknow, she sent us a tape,

(13:11):
she wrote us a letter, andyeah we were like, okay, great,
where's the check? Like they knewthey knew it was going to be
a number one smash hit. Well. What I loved about that song too
is I feel like everybody fell backin love with Madonna, Like it was
the perfect you know, she's alwayslike, you know, one year everybody

(13:31):
hates her, one year everybody lovesher when you you know, like whatever.
Lately it's been more years where peopleare pissed off at her. But
that's you know, artists are hereto deserve the piece, like she says.
But but I feel like that reallyput her back in everyone's good graces
and people were like, yeah,this is what we needed, like a
Madonna fun record, you know.And it definitely I think at that time

(13:58):
she she really hit when when I'veGot Realased sorry, you know, get
together, all of those songs shehit pretty pretty big with a younger crowd
at that time. You know,like I feel like a lot of people
because that was also when Madonna firstgot on iTunes, like where right before

(14:20):
I think Confessions was released, ormaybe right when Confessions was released. You
know, it was like, oh, you know, I remember she was
on like the Apple keynote presentation,Yes, yes, yes, and she
like she showed up and she's likeand they were like, yeah, starting
from now, you know Madonna's entirenot entire back catalog, but album back

(14:41):
catalog is available on iTunes, andyeah, like, actually, I remember
purchasing the album from iTunes. Imean I obviously went to the record store
too, but that's I listened tohalf the album from iTunes for oh.

(15:01):
I bought both versions because it wasreleased at that time. There was obviously
the non stop track, which wasone big continuous file, and then they
released the I'm going to say,the extended versions, maybe they're maybe it's
not considered extended, but you know, the just regular full tracks separate they

(15:22):
were they weren't, they weren't mixedtogether and got yeah, and it was
it's like, it's just the fullthe full track. Yeah. So I
had both of those, and Ilistened to the non Stop I remember I
was like, Okay, I'm goingto listen to it on my iPod,
but you know, I really wantto listen to the CD too, And
I listened to half of the albumand I and I stopped myself. I'm

(15:43):
like, okay, I'm going tostop because I want to listen to the
rest on the CD. AND's son. I remember going to the store with
my mom and I bought three copies. Okay, I bought one for me,
two for two of my friends.In fact, that year, everybody
got Confessions on a dance floor forChristmas. I kid you not. I

(16:07):
bought that record for everyone. Everyone, every everybody got a copy of that
record. That's amazing. So yeah, I was DJing. Actually, funny
enough, I was DJing when thatcame out. I was DJing at a
party on Sundays at Stonewall long beforeI actually started working there regularly, like

(16:30):
two thousand and five, and Ihadn't gotten the I hadn't gotten a chance
to get the CD yet. Andmy friend Billy, who was hanging out
with us in the DJ booth,he goes, you don't have the you
don't have the CD yet, andI'm like, no, I you know,
I haven't had a chance to goto the store. It was like
a couple of days after the albumcame out, and he literally left the
bar, went to a record store, bought it and brought it back to

(16:52):
me. Like that was like amazing, you know, like that somebody would
do that. I think there wasa there's probably a record stoke in the
West Village at that time, justalmost twenty years ago, but I think
he just ran to the store andgot it and brought it back and I
was like, oh my god,so yeah, that that album really definitely

(17:12):
is a major moment in her inher career. And the thing that frustrates
me the most about that album oractually hung Up, is that Hung Up
did not go to number one?Like how did Hung Up not go to
number one in the United States?Like how is that even possible? Well,
what else was out around that time? I don't I have no idea,

(17:33):
But that doesn't make any sense.Like the amount of people who when
they hear the beginning of that songjump up and like know what's coming.
There was such a like a asa kid say, a cultural reset.
I don't even know if they saythat anymore. But like, I like,
less amazing songs have gone the numberone faster, Like it doesn't make

(17:55):
any sense, But I guess shewas still kind of on the edge of
the backlass from American Life and themusic video for American Life, where they
weren't playing her on the radio.Perhaps I don't know, I mean maybe,
but I'm hung Up had radio play, though, I mean I did,
I remember, because at that time, you know, even though everybody

(18:17):
was jumping on the iPod and iTunesbandwagon, people still listen to the radio
at that at that time, andI remember I remember hearing, you know,
I think even on K T youlike they were they were playing it
a K to you always played Madonnaregard. Yeah, I mean, it's
it's a it's a radio it's themost radio friendly track. You know,
it's just just perfect for driving inyour car and jamming out to it like

(18:41):
it's it's it's a perfect pop song. So I couldn't imagine radio not wanting
to play it. But she definitelystill like she never kind of recuperated from
from the American life drama. Ithink, well, that's I mean,
I think at that time, wasn'tit that the they're called the Chicks now
the dicksie checks at the time,they had like a huge backlash at that

(19:04):
time too, Yeah, because theysaid that song that they're embarrassed to be
from Texas because George Bush is fromTexas. And that's that's right around the
time that she pulled the video.But the video is still Madonna's video,
but it ended up still getting outthere. In hindsight, though, that
video was so foreboding and so tellingof what is going on even today right

(19:27):
now. She's always a little bitahead of the curve. I mean she
always has been, yeah, always, and you know it's sometimes people don't
like the truth. If you don'ttalk about it, it's not real.
But I also found I don't knowif you remember this, but like she

(19:47):
was always body and very like boldand did whatever she wants to do.
And I do know obviously she hadkids at that point, but this is
the first time Madonna like pulled somethingback and that also was a very weird
feeling for me as a fan.I remember I was like, oh,
she's not going to put it out. That's not very Madonna. And people

(20:12):
recorded it because it did premiere inEurope, so people had recordings of it,
and then you know, slowly itkind of you know, made its
way to the Internet and then theyreleased that you know, edited down,
watered down version of it with herwith the flags. But I mean,

(20:37):
it's it was. It was anangry time. I mean, Mirrors working
with Mirrors. Mirrors is very politicaland a lot of the stuff that he
writes and produces, so you know, to go from that to you know,
okay, now I want to dance, like I want to make the
world a dance floor, and shedid just that, I mean worldwide.

(21:00):
Yeah, I really love that.From the promotion from Europe, you know,
the European Music Awards, the MTVem as was in them, I
think was that was that the firstperformance of Hung Up? I believe so.
I believe so. I think thatwas the first time it was really
like, oh wow, this ishow she's going to present the song.
It was like balls of the wall, like just high energy from the get

(21:23):
go. I mean just the lookthat that aesthetic she looked, phenomenal,
phenomenal body, phenomenal hair, phenomenShe just came back from the from the
horse riding accident, so like thatwas an explosion in itself, like to
see her in such good shape andreally dancing her her booty off, you

(21:45):
know, great ass too, Imean perfect ass. I mean, like
that's the first thing I remember thinkingwhen I thought, well, no,
maybe not the first thing, maybelike the second or third thing. I'm
like, oh, wow, herass looks really good. So to make
note of it. Stevie is anass man sometimes sometimes, I mean,

(22:08):
you know, leotard man too.I love the leotard, that jacket,
you know, the Gucci sunglasses.Yeah, she was just she just was
so fierce, Like it was perfect. I remember going to Chinatown to try
to find knockoffs of those glasses becauseit's like I need them, and I

(22:33):
mean, when was I not inChinatown listening to you know, listening to
Confessions on my iPod. I listenedto it for I think like a couple
of years. I think that's allI listened to. It was a really
like it was obviously like as aDJ, it was very like perfect because
I could play pretty much every songfrom the album. Get Together was should

(22:56):
have been a monster hit as well. I don't understand what it became the
time, like I think after AmericanLife, it became the time where like
Madonna's first single would do really well, and then the next couple of singles,
you know, we love them andthey had great visuals and all that,
but nothing ever did as well asthe first track, you know,
so it was kind of it waskind of upsetting to not see all these

(23:17):
beautiful songs, perfect pop songs likeenter the you know, the cultural zeitgeist,
like they should have because I reallydidn't. Get Together is probably the
most perfect like dance pop song youknow out there, like it's it's just
a beautiful like the instrumentation, thethe feeling you get, the lyrics,

(23:41):
the delivery, the and then thatthat breakdown in the middle where she spins
on tour like it's just the mostit's like hedonistic and hefork and it's just
beautiful and it really should have been. I mean, I'm surprised, Sorry
I didn't do better either, becauseI don't know, you know, it
samples the the what you would callthe the Jackson Vive song, has that

(24:07):
great rift to it, and youknow, the video was great, was
like it was the first time shekind of continued a video almost I sorry,
finish what you're saying, and thenshe did it with take a bow,
and you'll see she had like acontinuation video, but this is the
first time it was like back toback, like it was like she left
the club from hung up and shewent right into the sorry video. You

(24:30):
know, I always felt that sheshould have did a long form video to
the entire record. Oh that wouldhave been beautiful, like in my in
my mind, my nineteen year oldmind at the time, I'm like,
oh, it would be you know, like a pink DVD or a Pink
VHS, you know, and itwould be like just visuals for the entire

(24:56):
like NonStop version of the album.And that would have been I mean,
that would have did really well.I think. Wow. I mean that
that like that's like before, likeyou know, Beyonce. Now she does
her little I don't know much aboutBeyonce, but I know she releases visual
albums, which I'm assuming are likeher visuals to the entire record. Okay,

(25:18):
Like that would have been that atthat time, because you know,
she she had a lot of thesame dancers in the hung Up video or
the Sorry video is a hung Upvideo, and then get Together was just
I think footage from from one ofthe promo yeah, which was great too.
That entire promo set was wonderful whereshe did everybody and that it will

(25:42):
be uh sorry and I live NewYork she used to do. Yeah.
I mean, it's it's it's sucha it's such a there's so much to
choose her from that album that shecould have you used to perform with.
It was really just chuck full oflike Madonna songs, you know, even
the remixes like that Pet shop Boysremix of Sorry. It's still one of

(26:07):
my favorite remixes of all time.That's the one that ended up on Finally
Enough Love right, Yes, yes, yeah, I remember the first time
I heard it, I think wasfrom the Sorry twelve inch and I was
like, oh, oh, Ijust really like I really like this founding
beat and then you hear the thePetchop Boys in the background singing background vocals.

(26:27):
It was really it's it's interesting thatthey hadn't worked together before. That's
yeah, you're right, I mean. And now that Top Boys are using
Stewart to produce a lot of theirrecords, so oh wow, yeah,
because they have a new I justgot to email about a new new single
that they have out called I forgetwhat it's called, but it's something dancer
or dance, something dancer. Ithink, I haven't I haven't heard it

(26:51):
yet. I always loved the petchUp Boys and they always like Petchup Boys
and Eraser like. People forget thatthey have been constantly releasing music, never
really stopped either group, and peoplethink, oh, they're from the eighties.
No no, no, no,Erasure, petch Up Boys, Depeche
Mode, the Cure. There theyhave not stopped releasing music since the eighties.

(27:11):
You just haven't been listening, Imean, welcome. She also she
sampled West End Girls for Jump,so that might have been the connection to
getting them to remix. Sorry,maybe yeah, it might have been like,
hey, we're sampling you for this, like do you want to remix
this song? You know that wouldthat would make perfect sense? And then

(27:34):
the Magical Future Lovers, which blewme away the first time I heard it.
It was so thick and so likethe production on that track is so
monstrous. That's the only way Icould describe it, Like just the beginning
when it starts and then when thebass kicks in and to take a song,

(27:57):
I feel like, I feel likeit was kind of like this euphoric
sexual like thing for her to turnit into like a song about like do
you want to come with me tothe future? Like that, she really
repurposed like one of the most amazingelectronics songs in history, probably the most

(28:19):
amazing, and she repurposed it aslike a like a love of the future,
and you know that's that's what's socool about it. Sorry, I'm
still a little sick. No,It's like she didn't just take a song
about love over that. You knowwhat's I highly recommend this if you ever

(28:41):
have a chance to, if it'sever late at night and you're driving around
the city, like and you're onthe you know, FDR the West Side
Highway and it's dark, put thatsong on and it hits, it hits
a certain way like it just likeit's it's definitely a vibe like to drive

(29:03):
around to at night with all thelights and blast that song. Okay,
I definitely will future lovers challenge ifany any anybody out there want to do
that, please and then get backto me and let me know, let
me know what what your thoughts wereon that. And then we get,

(29:25):
you know, after all the visuals, we get that little that little jump
video that was kind of like veryeighties where it was like just the background
she's deafated. Yeah. But butlike in between that, we get the
Freaking Confessions tour, which were thatwig. Yeah, she wore that japandent
section rate of the contest. Yes, I think I remember reading somewhere that

(29:48):
she wore that wig because Frieda atthe time, Freda from Abba had that
that hairstyle, so she was sheshe wore it. I don't know,
maybe maybe that was you know,complete bullshit, but okay, that would
make sense. Yeah, she worethat she she wore that wig in Japan,
and you know, they filmed thevideo. I'm assuming they filmed those

(30:08):
the shots of her in this youknow, the sound stage, you know,
with that wig on while she wasin Japan, and all the all
the signs, like of all theparkour people, you know, jumping all
around, all the signs in likethe background all say Madonna or Jump.

(30:29):
Oh I didn't, yeah, butin Japanese. In Japanese. Yeah,
So when when you go to Japan, all the signs when you're walking down
the street say Madonna or Jump.Still, to this day, we never
changed them. That's fuddy. Thatwas kind of that kind of kind of
came out of left field too,that that video. We were like,
what is going on? This doesn'tseem like anything else from the album,

(30:51):
you know. You know, Ididn't think that that would have been the
next single. I I kind ofthought Future Lovers was going to be the
next single. Not that, notthat I have anything against Jump. I
thought that it would be like FutureLovers or that it will be Yeah,
but the thing about I think Jumpis kind of like you know how like

(31:12):
Rain kind of came out of nowherewith Erotica, Like the look was completely
different and it came out a littlelater. Like I feel like she does
that. She does like the wholelike even Ray of Light had like well,
actually every video from Ray of Lightis completely different. But then like
all of a sudden, there crazynothing really Matters video came out when she's
dressed like a geisha, you know, Like I think she like starts off

(31:34):
with an idea for the album andthen like towards the end of it,
she's like, no, lit's releasethis intended, I'll make this crazy video
that has nothing to do with theother five videos that we that we recorded.
Well, I think when Nothing ReallyMatters she was inspired by Memoirs of
the Geisha. Yeah, because thatthat that novel came out that year and
it came out there. I didn'tknow it came out that year. Okay,

(31:56):
I was wondered why why you knowthat was such a prominent influence,
But that was something that even nothingreally matters, it's so wacky with the
like the people with the bubbles,like the water baby things and like the
getting levitated, and but she alsoborrowed from like a lot of classic Japanese
artwork too, with like the paintingon her back and and the just the

(32:19):
images were really really really beautiful.Startled but uh yeah, like so Jump
kind of was like, let's makethis quick video, but also like,
let's she looked like a little likeanime character actually, you know, she
like had a little vest on andher dance moves are really funky. I
really like the Jump video. Imean a great message, it's you know,

(32:43):
it's fun. And she had theparkour people on the Confessions tour too.
Yes, that makes sense. Itkind of it definitely tied in,
tied into all of that, andI mean, yeah, I think I'm
looking at the at the track listright now and I'm like, gosh,
this album was really perfect. Yeah. I do remember two thousand and six

(33:07):
I DJed the Metro Bears Pride floatand it was the was it the first
time I ever DJ a float inthe parade? I think it might have
been my first time ever DJing afloatin the Gay Pride Parade in New York
and the entire way down the paraderoute, I'm like, what am I
gonna play on Christopher Street because Igrew up in Jersey and Christopher Street was

(33:29):
like my Salvation Street. You know, I call it St. Christopher Street.
Now, it was you know,we would get off the path,
train, walk up the stairs.We were in. We were in our
wonderland, we were in our safety. We could be who we wanted to
be. So Christopher Street has alwaysbeen very important to me. So when
I'm we're driving down, I'm like, you know, it was early on,
I'm like, what the hell amI gonna play with? The hell
I'm gonna play with the hell I'mgonna play. And then finally like as

(33:50):
we turned the corner on Christmas Stow, I'm like, I know exactly what
I'm gonna play. And as wegot down the block, I played the
extended version of I Love New Yorkand literally I didn't know what to expect,
because we all know that song hadsome funky lyrics, but every single
person on this either side was singingall the lyrics back to us on the

(34:13):
float and it was a religious experience. And I will never not like that
song because of that. That moment, No, I was gonna say,
I remember that you're going to Prideand I was, I was down that
way, I was in the WestVillage, and I remember there were a

(34:34):
lot of floats playing like tracks fromConfessions, a lot, a lot,
a lot of hung up. Yeah. But in Drag Queens there are a
lot of you know Madonna look alike, you know, impersonator drag queens worring
you know. I remember there wasone one group and they were wearing that
that the you know, a costumethat was you know, from the Sorry

(34:55):
video. I don't think there wereroller skates, maybe heels, but definitely
it was a big year. Imean, and I remember leaving the Pride
Parade that year and walking back upto Union Square. And I have a
photo of this too, the windowof the Virgin Mega store that year,

(35:17):
because the Virgin Mega Store had youknow, a couple exclusive you know,
T shirts and chatchkes for Confessions,and that their window display was entirely Confessions
themed. Wow. That was amonth after that came out to Yeah it
was, it was. It wasin June. Wow. Yeah, I

(35:42):
will it is on my Instagram,but I will I will definitely tag that
as well because and I have ashirt from there too. It was the
white shirt and I had the goldleafing on. It does not fit me.
It didn't fit me at the time, but it definitely doesn't fit Mell.

(36:05):
But the yeah, it was thatthat was like just the year of
of Confessions. Yeah. People justpeople were just so happy. It was
like, I know, my friendswho worked on Fire Island said, that's
all you heard on Fire Island.Just every bar, every place was playing
the Compassions album over and over again. It was I had an I have

(36:27):
an augh friend of mine who livedin Queen's at the time, and you
know, obviously with the you knowiPod invention, you know, everybody had
their entire music collections in their pocket. And we were having a conversation one
day. She's like, you know, they could pinpoint what you were listening
to at what time, you know, because it's logged on your iPod.

(36:49):
She's like, so think about it. Think about it, Like if you're
going to get run over by ataxi cab, they could figure out what
you were listening to when you gotrun over. She's like, so make
sure it's not something embarrassing. Solike, oh god, that's a note
of that. And again it wasConfessions on repeat, just in case I
got ran over by a cap justin case that's really funny. I do

(37:15):
remember, though, I do rememberfalling in love with like the latter half
of the album. Like I lovedhow High, I loved Let It Will
Be, But I really loved Pushand Like It or Not? And I
really thought that Push was going tobe like the style of music she would

(37:36):
use for her next album. Likethought it was like the little like the
little Wink song, like the songthat she says like okay, you know
or this like you know how likeBedtime Story and Sanctuary kind of led us
to Ray of Lights kind of etherealsound. Like I really thought that Push
was going to be like the soundfor her next album after Confessions, and

(37:58):
it obviously wasn't. But like Igot really excited about that. But you
said you really like like it ornot? Right, I love like it
or not? Yeah? I alsoI also really love the performance of it.
It was so cool to see herdo like the fossy moves and dance
with her little chair that she thatshe revisits that chair pretty much every every
tour. She has a love affairwith that little chair. But I was

(38:20):
thinking, you know, everyone's heardall the hits from the album, and
I was thinking we should play alittle like it or not for the for
the for the crowd. Sounds goodto me. All Right, We're gonna
play like it or not towards theend of the album as it's cooling down,
She's got a little message for you, Madonna. You know, was
it who she is? You canlike it or not, So here we
go. You can tell me seefor what I meant? Put me up

(39:04):
for a pad of stuff up,drive me down in Dornastics and stones will
brave my bones, but your meanswill never burt. I'll be the garden,
You'll be the snake. All ofmy fruit is yours to take better.

(39:27):
The devil that you know you'll loveme will grown because this is who
I am. You can I geton that you can love me only me
because you live a god of stuff. Don't know s Petra had Halloi not

(40:04):
a hurry too. They were goodon bad strictly up to you like this
parent duck sent It doesn't make mysense. Can of them with alchecyti.

(40:27):
Please don't take good fans. Don'tlet the fruit rut under the vine.
Phil Ip, you cup bells,drink the wine bad as the devil that
you know you'll have me will growbush sister, who I you can I

(40:52):
get on that you can love meme because I'm enough got of stuff?
No no, you sis like aggyou can I get on that you can
up me me me because I livefree gold of stuff. No, no

(41:17):
you know no, no, no, you will help me garden. You'll
be the snake. All of myfruit is yours too. Take that you

(41:45):
know you love me will girl?Because sis like you can't. And I
get on that you can mean mebecause I lit up for conn of stuff.

(42:05):
Don't know this? Can I geta dollar? You can't me because
we have your kind of stuff?Don't know you don't? All right?

(42:58):
I love that. I love thatsong perfection. It just sounds so like
snarky but wise. Does that makesense? Yeah? You know for the
the regular edition of the album,that closes out the album, and it's
it's a good closing it's a goodclosing number. It closes out. Yeah.
So it's the last song on theregular regular so after Push Yeah,

(43:22):
so push pushes Yeah, like itor not? The last I mean,
if you have the special limited editionConfessions album, Fighting Spirit is the last
song. I love Fighting Spirit somuch, great track. I love Fighting
Spirit. But you know what what'sinteresting is is I like it or not?
And Fighting Spirit were very Goldfrap inspiredm M from back then. And

(43:46):
it's interesting because like Allison Goldfrapp doesn'talways have the nicest things to say about
Madonna. So I think it washer little like I could do what you
could do too, you know,like it was her little like let me
snatch that. That's that sounds fora songs, just to show you that
I can do it. But yeah, Fighting Spirit is definitely like an underrated
jab and I play it once ina while. And I used that hashtag

(44:07):
a lot. I love that usingthat hashtag, especially when I'm like posting
something political or or activism related.I was using my Fighting Spirit hashtag.
And you know what else, superpop, do you remember a crazy song?
I mean it's a little it's alittle cheesy a little bit, but

(44:28):
it's like Madonna cheesy. It's likefun cheesy. It it's a lot of
fun. And I think that wasthe first time that there was ever a
a digital Madonna track only digital released. Oh interesting, I didn't know that.
But you're you're really good at that. You're really good at that info.
You really know, you really gotto be an Icon member. You
had to be a member of Iconto get and it was posted, you

(44:52):
know, it was posted on theIcon website along with the there used to
be like again probably you know,for promotional reasons. There was mixtapes that
Stuart would do and they were streamingand it was just you know, Stuart's
little mini maybe fifteen twenty minutes long, and the stare the studio version of

(45:19):
Erotica You Throw Me was was init. That's that's where you got to
hear it first before seeing it onthe tour. Really yeah, yeah,
wow, I have a couple ofthem someplace, like I know, I
had recorded some. Yeah, Iwas under the impression that that song,
the instrument instrumental to you Thrill Mefrom the tour was originally supposed to be

(45:44):
deeper and deeper. That's why itwas. I think it was supposed to
be erotica like that. That thatwas like the one of the first incantation
incantations on incantations, iterations of erotica. And then you know it evolved into
the erotica that we know. Ohyeah, yeah, no, no,
I know, I know what youthrill me is what I'm saying. I

(46:06):
heard that the original beat and musicthat you thrill me from the Confession Stour
was actually originally written as like anew version of Deeper and Deeper for that
section, and then they decided tolike scrap deeper and Deeper and sing that
over it. That would have beengood too, Yeah, because it was
disco. You would think, youknow, Deeper Deeper was the disco song

(46:27):
with the most disco of the discosongs She's ever had, so I would
think it's really good. Yeah,and we also got we got a lot
of beat. We also got historyfrom that album. Besides, Yeah,
history is amazing. I like thethe demo version better than the one that
was the single. Yeah, yeah, I like the demo one was more

(46:50):
uh it kind of sounds a littlebit like uh, I feel love a
little bit, but it definitely wasmore Giorgio moroderish, which I'm still surprised
Madnna hasn't worked with him in someIn some way, I would die if
Georgio and Madonna did like just analbum, a full album. That would
be insane, even a track.At this point, I would love just

(47:14):
one track insane that would be amazing. Maybe maybe maybe they're there, they
you know, have met and talkedat some point. Yeah, because I
think I think we're I think we'regonna get one more like Confessions level album
out of her. I think we'regonna get one more just like maybe like

(47:35):
it won't be like one hundred songs, but like, I think we're gonna
get one more like Opus from her. I think we have to like not
experimental but just pure pop Madonna withher edge onto it. But like because
I mean she was she did workwith Max Martin recently, right when she
was in the studio. Mm hmm, like what what why are we going
to get that? It's like,come on, Madonna, throw us a

(47:59):
bone when we getting the Kylie collaboration. You know, I want it to
happen. I hope it does too, because it's like it would just it
would just it would just close upa circle, you know, like a
a moment. It would just youknow line. You know, they'll be

(48:22):
in a perfect you know line inthe universe. You know. It will
be produced by Stuart Price. Yeah, and you know, like every gay
in the world will explode, justsplattered all over the place, like what
happened to them? Kylie and Madonnareleased a track. Yeah, they're just
glitter. There is big piles ofglitter with Danny Minogue on on backing vocals.

(48:45):
Yeah too much gay, just waytoo let me tell you. When
Kylie showed up with her, Kyliewas like a little kid like jumping around,
dance around. She was like inher Madonna was so calm and Kyle,

(49:05):
did you see the videos of Kyliedancing afterward? Yes? You was
losing her mind. It was sofreaking amazing. It was so funny.
It's I mean, we I thinkwe we kind of knew it was gonna
happen. I thought it was gonnahappen in Vegas, since Kylie has that
Vegas residency. Doesn't happen in la. It happened in l A and l

(49:25):
A, okay, Ian Kylie wasthere for something of award show maybe and
or an appearance, and it justlined up perfectly. And hey, I'm
glad that it happened. Yeah,I mean, we all have the video.
We haven't saved, Yes we do. Maybe maybe we'll end up on

(49:46):
the on the DVD footage, that'strue. Yeah, that would be really
fun. For the tour, becauseyou know, that's actually one of the
things I really like about the showis how much like like there's a cameraman
on stage pretty much at all times, like he's part of the show.
And it's like it's like such avoyeuristic, like overload type thing, Like

(50:08):
it's like, well, there's cameraseverywhere. I noticed. I was watching.
I was watching on YouTube one ofthe I don't ask me which city
it was, I don't remember,but it was it was Vogue. And
you know, when they bring thechairs up, you know, for Madonna
and whoever the guest judge is,I notice there's a black box on the

(50:29):
bottom of the chair. Oh wow. And I was like, oh,
I wonder if that's like a littlecamera so that way they get that angle,
you know, of all the dancerscoming down, you know, the
runway. Oh wow. So oncethat's set, it becomes a viewpoint.
Wow. That's really interesting. Imean maybe maybe maybe I'm wrong, Maybe

(50:50):
it's just like you know, apiece of cardboard that was you know,
oops, makes sense for it tobe it makes sense for it to be
a camera down there, because thatwould be a really cool perspective, like
on the floor of the stage,like watching everyone like looking like giants on
the way to voguing, you know, and we we got you know,

(51:13):
good old hung Up for it.You know, I was, I'm not
a big fan of it. That'swhat I meant to bring up when we
decided that we were going to talkabout Confessions. It's really underrepresented represented on
the tour. I mean I Iwas, I kind of figured it was
going to be hung Up onto tosay her name, because I can't say
it, I'm sorry, Takeisha TokeishaTokeisha. And I wasn't a fan.

(51:39):
I was like, all right,whatever, you know, but I was
like, oh, I think it'sshe's going to probably just perform that and
then she goes, you know,full balls to the wall, regular you
know, album version of Hung Up. And I was like, oh,
thank god, yeah, because Ido love I do love the Tuquesia version,
but also like, can'tnot you can'tjust do that version, you know,

(52:01):
you gotta, you gotta, yougotta throw in the classic version.
I think the way they married themtogether was perfect, you know, with
the disco ball and just so good. I mean, I would have loved
a little Confession's mini mix in there. But you know, because there's note
that's the only song, right,Yeah, I think that is that's very

(52:22):
weird. No, I well,I mean unless you count you know,
because we were in New York.She did I Love New York. But
okay, yeah, but that wasjust you. I'm glad she stopped doing
that. Yeah, she wasn't a. She wasn't hitting all the notes properly.
That's okay, it's a. It'sa. It's a punk song,
so it's good. Yeah, it'sI mean listening to the to the original

(52:45):
version that's on I'm going to tellyou a secret, it's very different.
Yeah. So we got we gotthat that we got introduced it to it
that way. That's right. Sobecause I think that was actually I've remember
reading when American Life was coming out, you know, before it was released.
That was one of the rumored youknow songs, Oh I know New

(53:08):
York is supposed to be on AmericanLife. It was well, you know,
you know, things leak and it'slike, oh, you know,
uh, you know, confirmed songsfor the album. You know, she
has a song called this and thatand blah blah blah, you know,
and I remember I Love New Yorkbeing listed I remember that it was around
back then. It just didn't getput on the record. Interesting, so

(53:30):
it was reworked for for Confessions,and I think, I'm so stupid.
Was supposed to be on the tour, but they acced that, right,
I'm sure. I'm sure it wassupposed to be because it's in the in
the in the documentary, I thinkthey're rehearsing it for a second, mm
hmm. And I think it closestI'm sorry, I was gonna say.
I think it closes out with thecredits. I think that's what's played.

(53:52):
It's been a while since I've watchedthat. I gotta watch it again.
I mean I have, I havethe DVD, but I I haven't watched
it in the years. Yeah,it was like her art two of Truth
Dare, but her all like enlightenedand spiritual, the adult the you know,
the grown up version of truth orDare. What a different poem.

(54:16):
I like shit, I feel likeGod, I feel like God. I
feel like shit. That's actually inthe concert, that little, one little
section of that. Yeah, whoeverput together all the visuals for the concert
is that definitely like did their researchbecause there's the overlapping of things and like
a little interview snippets and the visualswhich is really well done. Did you

(54:38):
notice they took out the in inone of the you know video montages,
the video of Share, they tookit out. Yeah. I think they
took it out because I remember thelast time when it wasn't there. I'll
take note, you know this weekendwhen I go, well, that's the
exciting thing. We just we justcelebrated my birthday, but this weekend coming

(55:00):
up next this weekend, it's nextweekend. Next weekend, it's Stevie Boxer's
birthday. And the cool thing iswe're going to be celebrating in Miami this
this weekend this weekend. Yes,so it's in between both of our Okay,
so it's in between our birth birthdays. But the exciting thing is we're
both going to the same Miami showon this on the sixth. But I

(55:24):
have the most honor to open forTracy Young at the Wilton Matters Eagle on
Friday. I go on at nine. It's at the Eagle nine pm.
Tracy goes on around eleven. Butthis all kind of happened on accident me
opening for her, which is reallyfunny, but uh so, Yeah,

(55:46):
this will be the third stop ofthe Madonna Worship Tour. I already did
Denver, we did Houston the othernight, and then we're doing I'll be
doing for for Londerdale on Friday,and the following weekend, I'll be in
Austin at Rain on fourth. It'sa kind of a dance club there.

(56:06):
I'm doing a pregame show, pregameparty from four to eight at Rain.
But if you follow, you canfollow Stevie Vox at Stevie Vox s T
E v I E vox. Oh, you can follow Madonna Worship or DJ
Shawn CD and you'll find out allthe information and all our little, uh
our little meanderings around the country watchingMadonna's amazing show. But yeah, I've

(56:31):
never seen her. I went toTears of a Clown back in twenty sixteen,
but this will be my first timeseeing her in concert in Miami,
and I'm really excited. You've seenher before in Miami. I've never said,
no, not in Miami. I'veseen her. I've seen her in
Connecticut. Does that count here?You? No? No, when I've
seen her Atletic City. This isthe first tour that I've actually, like,

(56:52):
I mean I did see Madame xICand Lisbon, but before that,
the furthest I went was like Philadelphia, d C or or yeah, Philadelphia
or d C or Atlantic City.Like I never I've never like left the
metro area to this here, sothat was That's it's been pretty exciting.

(57:13):
I mean, I've never been toMiami, so, oh you've never been
to Miami. I've never been inMiami. It's only been my second time
in Miami, so so I mean, it's I'm excited for it. I'm
kind of I'm kind of excited tosee how the crowd is. Yeah,
I hear Miami like She's filmed hershow in Miami, so Miami definitely has
a lot of energy and all that. And I'm hoping that I I bought

(57:36):
last minute. I bought like aI'm not not so desirable seat. But
uh, I'm still in the buildingand I'm hoping maybe Tracy Young can hook
me up and bring me down furtherto closer to the Queen. But I'm
not It's if it doesn't happen,it doesn't happen. I'm still in the
building. Yeah, that's all Icare about. And then Austin is my
last show Austin July. You know, I'm sorry that I didn't buy a

(58:00):
ticket to Austin. I mean,it's the day after my birthday. I
should have. I'm a fool.Yeah you could. Everybody shame me,
point your fingers and laugh. Jeemie'san idiot. Makes quit Steevie. He's
not going to Austin. He's nottreating himself for his birthday. My old
thing is everybody's like, you're going, how much money did I go?

(58:21):
We don't know what's going to happenin November in this country, so I'm
having as much fun as possible untilNovember fifth. I mean, listen,
uh, wacky country. Right.Well, the last time, when when
George Bush got elected, Madonna leftthe country. She's She's like bye bye,

(58:43):
and this last time, she kindof moved to Portugal, right yeah.
And then when when Trump came in, she she moved to, uh,
to Portugal, she was like bye, see you later. I'm only
going to live in America when there'sa Democrat in office. I mean yeah,
because she came back, actually cameback in twenty one, twenty twenty
one, yeah, yes, yeah, Well I'm praying that things. I

(59:08):
mean, it's really neither choice isgreat right now, and I've never ever
said that, but you know,we're in trouble either way, but we're
in less trouble one way, andhopefully everyone will Hopefully the people who are
making the most noise out there arethe minority, and they're just they learned

(59:29):
how to use Twitter, and theylearn how to use the Internet, and
that's why we're hearing them scream soloud about being who they are. But
you know, there's lots of theworld, the world's and shambles right now,
so we might as well have agood time. We might as well
celebrate the Queen of pop. Wemight as well celebrate being queer, being
you know, alive, and beingyou know, artists, being creative,

(59:52):
being all that jazz, because youknow, we don't know whether we're going
to be you know, allowed todo all that in a couple year.
You know, you're right, sobe as queer as you want to be,
be as slutty as you want tobe, be as budish as you
want to be. But you know, just respect other people and let other
people, you know, live theirlives. I've just been I don't know

(01:00:15):
about you, but I've been notnecessarily doom scrolling a lot lately, but
just like finding myself in these likerabbit holes of like reading all the comments
on some like crazy tweet or arethey called exes now, I don't know.
I didn't just call them tweets.I mean, I call them tweets.

(01:00:35):
But I'll just like find myself justlike reading all these horrible people's replies
and comments on like some liberals posts, and I'm just like, wow,
like these people really like And I'llplay around and I'll like, I'll try
to piss them off here and there, and I'll leave like a nasty reply
to their reply, and sometimes I'llget some attention from it. But uh,

(01:00:57):
I just it's amazing that people goout of their way to really like
ruin other people's lives. Well,they have nothing better to do. Keyboard
warriors sitting sitting there, you know, pecking away at their at their little
keyboards, and yeah, why usethat? Mhmm. That's why we have
Madonna to take us away and inspireus. That's right, that's right.

(01:01:23):
Confessions on a dance Floor. Listento it, listen, listen to it
while you're out there disturbing the piece. So I think it's you know,
it's time for everyone to re listento it, and uh, but you
got you gotta if you have thetime, really do the whole thing straight
through, because it really is likea roller coaster and it's really like it's
because you know you once you getto your future lovers, then you're like,

(01:01:44):
oh this is serious. We're notWe're we're in outer space now,
and then the rest of the albumis just like boom boom boom, like
and I'm sorry. Like my possiblefavorite performance of her ever, at least
like her being alone on stage isthere's no nothing that compares to let It

(01:02:08):
Will Be. That is the mostsexy she's ever been, the most growley
she's ever been, like the mostlike high energy mad woman. Like that
performance of lett It Will Be ison the Confessions tour is insane. M

(01:02:31):
I remember I remember watching that becauseI was I was there, and I
remember thinking, oh, they usethe remix and the real paper Faces remix.
The remix is just like it's itgives it a different vibe the album
version. So I get what you'resaying on that because she's it's it's it's

(01:02:58):
it's like just that the artistic youknow, like dance that she's doing.
You know, it's just with thevisuals with the red and she didn't let
it all out. I mean,the screen's so good lived. Well,

(01:03:19):
did you know did you know thatthe whole concert is loosely based on Tommy
the musical? Right? Really?Yes? Because the the scenes where she's
in the red dress and she's likein the room with the mirror, that's
uh, what was her name?Who's the mother in Tommy and Margaret?

(01:03:40):
Okay? And in the red dresswhere she's dancing wild, that's the acid
queen Tina Turner. But there isa scene in Tommy where Tommy is crucified.
Mm hmm. So that goes towhat she does live to tell on
the cross. But that that discocross I know is a is a is
inspired by a Salvador Dolly painting.I know that was like a disco cross.

(01:04:05):
I don't know if it's Salva orDolly. I might be wrong,
but I'm pretty sure it is him. And uh, but the whole idea,
the whole the movie of Tommy islike they put him up on a
pedestal and then they have ripped himdown kind of thing. So that's kind
of her emotional arc arc in thein the show, like she comes down.
She appears from you know, theHorst thing obviously, but like more

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of like the storyline throughout the showis kind of like, you know,
she's put on this pedestal and andthen like ripped down off of it kind
of thing. I didn't know this. Yeah, it's not it's not like
song for song like, but butthere's a lot of visuals that are from
Tommy. I think the sun that'sin the Ray of Light performance is actually

(01:04:49):
from the actual movie, like thatClippy I I I love, I like
in hindsight, I love. That'sone of my favorite things about a don
is finding out where she got herinspiration for each like performance and stuff like
that. Like that gets me soexcited, like that that's where the nerd
of the Madonna nerd and me comesout just to find out, Like like

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I discovered Clockwork Orange and Cabaret fromthe Keep It Together performance in The Blonde
a Vision Tour, Like I didn'tknow anything about those two movies, but
because I read in an article thatit was a clockwork Orange and Cabaret inspired.
I was like, oh, Ihave to go watch those two movies
now, and that's now Clockwork Orangeis one of my favorite movies of all
time. But yeah, I loveI love finding out where she where she

(01:05:34):
got the bug from. You know, I'm going to look into this.
I kind of want to. Ikind of want to go in. Yeah,
but there's definitely the visuals of likethe Acid Queen from Tina Turner was
in Tommy and like she was theacid queen. She was like the the
one who gave him like the heroineor whatever. That's with that red dress

(01:05:55):
where she's dancing all crazy in thebackground. Yeah for me at the end,
like that's very similar to the dressscene to Turner war. And then
obviously the the white body suit isis Abba inspired, but then the cross
is is Tommy. Uh. Andalso when she's in that red dress with

(01:06:18):
like the jewel around the neck andshe's looking in the mirror and that's and
Margaret from Tommy. Okay, butin the movie. What's crazy in the
movie, like something explodes and there'sall these like I think they're beans or
something like this huge like like outpouringof like what looks like brown beans comes

(01:06:41):
shooting out of like in the Tommymovie, and she gets like she gets
like shot with them, like withall the It's very hard to describe.
You have to watch the movie Tommy, but that doesn't happen in Madonna's version.
But but ed Margaret gets like bombardedby all these little like it's like
pelted with all these like little beansor something. I mean, it's a

(01:07:02):
very you know, it's an acidtrip in its own you know, I
mean hy And I just heard thatthere's a new version of it on Broadway
now, so I definitely want totry to check that out. Sounds sounds
like a time I wish I couldcomment on Broadway. I wish I could.

(01:07:23):
I'm not. I'm not a Broadwayqueen, believe it or not.
I'm definitely not either, Like I'llgo see Like if someone like, let's
go see this, they are like, I win a ticket or whatever,
But I don't. I don't usuallyseek out to go see a Broadway show.
Maybe maybe The Whiz. I kindof I kind of want to see
it. Yeah, that sounds amazing. It's like a ballroom version. No,
no, the Cats is going tobe a ballroom version, right,

(01:07:45):
they're doing Cats' Ballroom. Yeah,they're doing like a ballroom version of Cats,
I think. But the Wiz isjust like a new way, Like
it's just a new version of it, right, I think. So what's
your faces in it? Uh Cox? Uh oh yeah yeah, So I
was like, okay, maybe.I mean I love the Diana Ross and

(01:08:06):
Michael Jackson version. So the moteit. So I saw that on the in
the lawn in a not Central Park, but in Bryant Park. That was
interesting to see it. They dolike the summer movies in the park.
When I saw the Whiz there,that was fun. They should show Body
of Evidence in the park. Yeah, I doubt it. We should actually

(01:08:31):
know, we should, we should, We should organize. You know,
my friend David David works at AlamoDraft House and they've been wanting me to
put together like a like a Madonnamovie festival. Maybe we'll do that around
her birthday. Maybe we'll do likea like a couple of nights in a
row where it's like we'll do alllike Snake, We'll do like Dangerous Game,
Body of Evidence. We'll do likethe they're not so they're not so

(01:08:56):
heralded ones like you know, noDick Tracy, but like more like down
to Broadway. Uh, shadows andfog like the lesser known ones. Okay,
I'm down. That is fun,well, especially because Dangerous Game is
being released by Vinegar Syndrome. Areyou familiar? I know what Vinegar Syndrome

(01:09:16):
is, but I've seen the newartwork. Yeah, it's so, I'm
I'm kind of I'm curious to seehow the release is. So I was
like, they always they always throwin some some good stuff Vinegar Syndrome.
So I never heard of Vineggers.Is that the like a like a company?
Yes, So they they're like aboutiquey you know, label, like

(01:09:39):
a studio. They release a lotof they release a lot of porn,
a lot of porn, a lotof like real like great terrible underground horror
films. So it's what did theyrelease that you? Well, I think
they did. They just have theyjust got a deal with MGMs. They've

(01:10:01):
been they've been releasing a couple ofMGM titles, like they did show Girls,
and then they also released what's adivine movie, lust in the Dust
that you've never seen it? Oh, no, watch it, We're gonna
watch it. It's good and theyalways have a great packaging, and so

(01:10:28):
I'm I'm interested. We could dowe could do like we could do like
four Rooms. We could do uhgirl six where she played like the mogul,
right, like like movies that she'snot necessarily the star in, but
like she appears in. That mightbe fun. Even if we do like
just like five, five or sixmovies. But we'll try to do it
in August. That'll be fun.That would be a lot of fun.

(01:10:53):
So I mean a certain sacrifice.Oh my god, yeah, I don't
think. I don't think I stillhave I don't know if I remember actually
seeing Shanghai Surprise. No. Yeah, like that's the one movie I think
that I haven't seen that she did. It's it's it's a great film.

(01:11:17):
So I have it on I haveit on DVD, and I think I
have it on VHS, So pickyour format. I don't have it on
l I don't have anything. Idon't have either way to play either.
All right, I'll bring the VCRover, Okay, I I don't have

(01:11:38):
that on I have shadows and fogon laser disk. I think I saw
that years ago. I haven't seenthat in a while. I think I'm
bloodhound some Broadway. Maybe it's notShadows and fog. I might be wrong,
you really did. She really dida lot early on. I actually,
you know, I really I wishshe would do one more movie,

(01:11:58):
just like I mean, like aPedro Amadovar film where she plays like the
mother like but has like a decentsized role but isn't isn't like the main
character. But I feel like sheshould work with Pedro. Hmmm. She's
been such a fan, you know, really kind of helped his career in
a way because she put him onthe map, sort of. Put her

(01:12:20):
in a Tarantino film. That wouldbe fun too. I mean she wanted
she wanted Tarantino to do the GangBang video. That's right, So he
was I think he was busy doingsomething at the time, and he said
he was like, I would doit, but I'm busy. Yeah,
I remember there was like a petition. Yeah, I mean, that would

(01:12:40):
have been great. Put her ina Tarantino film, put her, put
her in a John Waters film,you know John Waters, call Madonna.
I just think her acting would wouldbe different now, like she's she's lived
a little. I don't think she'dbe so in her head should be a
lot more relaxed. Yeah, Imean give her a good like like a

(01:13:04):
really good role, like not likea bit part, not like you know,
secondary care. Give her a goodrole exactly. I mean, though,
I would love Madonna to go bothsof the wall camp, but yeah,
I think it's yeah, I thinkthat would be difficult for her because

(01:13:25):
she's like, she's like, well, she would just have to get out
of her head, that's all.Yeah. I think that's you're onto something
with. If we could do doa little movie get together, that would

(01:13:46):
be really that would that would beI'm like thinking about it now, I'm
like, oh, that would belike, oh, we could do this.
We could do that. Let's getsome audience participation. Yeah, we
can make it like like the nextRocky horror. I beata, Oh gosh,

(01:14:09):
that would be fun. All right, So I think we come.
I think we've we've covered most ofthe album and all that and all that.
How do you feel about, uhshutting things down before the next episode.
I mean, yeah, I thinkthat's We're good. I think we
did a lot. I know we'rea little over an hour, so we

(01:14:30):
don't want to kill people. No, we don't want to kill anybody.
Not yet, Yeah, but youknow, tune in next time and we
do our talk about you know,our next candy shop share. Yeah,
just candy shops. Candy shop.If I'm alive, then I am coughing.

(01:14:54):
Don't die. You're too busy.I don't too busy. So hopefully
if anyone in Miami this weekend,hopefully, well you're me or Stevie might
find you if you see us,a hello, if you're you're in the
area. I know Stevie's going totry to make it to the Eagle and
Milton Manors on Friday, well andplay for what I opened for Tracy Young.

(01:15:19):
That's very exciting. And then thefollowing week in Austin. That's Stevie's
birthday weekend. Maybe we'll try toconvince Stevie to get a ticket, but
flights are expensive. I'll walk there. No walk to Austin, the walk
to Austin, the long walk toAustin. I'll hitchhike. Anybody want to
give me a ride. If you'relistening and you want to give me a

(01:15:39):
ride, feel free to pay.Birthday so come on, I'll be waiting
on the corner. All right,Well, all right, Well, we'll
see you next time. Make sureyou follow the Madonna Worship the podcast,
subscribe and and tell a friend becauseand eventually we'll start having guests. But

(01:16:01):
me and Steve have enough to talkabout. We don't need a guest right
now. Yeah, it sounds good, all right, Well enjoy. Thank
you guys, thank you so much, thanks for listening. Bye boy,