Madonna Worship The Podcast Episode 010: Repeat History

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Speaker 1 (00:21):
Hello, Hello, Hello Stevie.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Happy nude Year.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Happy New Year, Yeah, Happy New Year. Oh my god,
it's it's twenty twenty five. Like it's like that was
a number that we like, was it so far in
the future when we were kids, And to hit that
it is just so wild to me.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
I'm still, you know, still early in the year, so
I'm still writing twenty twenty four when I'm dating things,
and I'm like, no, it's not it.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Takes a while. I actually I tried to write something
incursive the other day and I completely failed. I was like,
oh my god, do you do that?

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Do you write in cursive?

Speaker 1 (00:54):
I mean I used to. I mean, I you know,
I was known as a kid for having like amazing
handwriting and really interesting handwriting. And I you know, it
wasn't a complete failure. But it's just interesting how we're
only typing these days, and you know, you know, typos,
and you send something and autocrec sends the wrong word
and you have to read, you know, you have to
fix it, and it's just like and I also, I
was telling someone the other day, I go, it's interesting
how because of emojis, like we've almost gone back to hieroglyphics.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Kind of, I mean like gifts, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Yeah, I mean we're basically Casman again or basically Caveman again.
No Caveman came in, Yeah, came in the drawings. But yeah,
the Egyptians are the hieroglyphic people. But yeah, I feel like,
you know, twenty twenty four was a banner year for
Madonna and Madonna fans, but twenty twenty five so quickly,
I think it's going to be another like freaking awesome year.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
I mean, she's teasing, she's teasing that new album, she's
she's posting about being in the studio with Stuart Yeah,
and I mean just just just her even like throwing
it out there. Confessions Part two. Yeah, that's that's that's
that's a I mean, it's a big deal for me.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yeah, I find it interesting how you know, it's almost
like a cycle where she did her political American life
kind of like introspective album, and then Confessions followed that,
and then we just had Madam X, which was her
kind of political introspective kind of album, little experimental. Then
we're getting another Stuart Price production, which twenty years later.

(02:22):
That's the crazy part.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
It's it's kind of crazy to think that that was
twenty years ago.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
I know, like you, I mean, if you had a
child during the Confessions era, that child would almost be
old enough to drink.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
I mean, yeah, I mean, and like the Confessions album
was really like important. It's still very important to me.
So I'm very excited, very very excited because like I
kind of like came of age with that with that record.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah, that was that was. I remember I was living
in East Harlem at the time, and there was a
leak like a day or two before. Back then, it
wasn't wasn't like a month or two before an album
would be released. And I remember I put on my headphones,
put on like a fun like I had like a
like a trippy light in my bedroom, and I just
listened to the whole album like laying on my bed,

(03:14):
and just like it was blown away.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
I remember I didn't listen to the leak. I listened
to a couple snippets of Hung Up that were released,
and I was like, no, I want to be surprised.
And I when Confessions came out, that's when Madonna had
just allowed iTunes at the time. It was iTunes. It's
not you know iTunes, you know the iTunes store. She

(03:43):
had just allowed for her entire discography to get posted
to iTunes. So I bought both editions on iTunes from
my iPod, and at the time I wasn't I wasn't
driving yet, so I had a way from my mom
to get home from work to take me to the

(04:03):
record store to go buy the actual CD.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Oh wow.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
So I said to myself, Okay, I'm going to listen
to half the album on my iPod and then I'll
I'll listen to the other half on CD.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Oh wow. That was interesting.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
And I remember, I remember the first time I heard
Sorry and Get Together in Future Lovers, and I just
remember dancing. I was home alone. I was dancing from
one end of the house to the other.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Oh it was so every like every sound, every vocal,
every lyric was just so breathtaking, like it was the
production quality was just I remember when when Future Lovers
came on in my headphones, remember it being so like
thick and full and like like almost like a like
a storm, Like it was just so powerful, that that
beat and the little intro and you know, like you know,

(04:50):
I want to, you know, forget your loans Forget your
Life all that kind of stuff, and it was it's
like what a what a monster of a song, you know,
and that was way So.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Did you did you listen to the non stop version first?

Speaker 1 (05:02):
I'm not sure. I don't remember. I'm pretty sure it
was like the connected one because that's the one that leaked, probably.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Because that's what I listened to first. And I didn't
realize that the separated track version where they were the
extended versions. I felt like I didn't. I didn't realize
it at first, so I was just like, oh, well,
you know, I bubb both, but that's okay, I'm going
to listen to the non stop album. And I remember
I had ordered from Tower. It was from Tower Records.

(05:31):
I ordered it online, the pink vinyl, the pink numbered
vinyl for Confessions, and that was extended. So that's how
I would listen to the extended versions. And yeah, it
was ear candy.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah my blowing. My whole thing though was like, you know,
a lot of a lot of pop artists are doing
disco or doing you know, or doing like that throwback sound.
I'm wondering whether she's going to take it further, take
it back. Because I also The interesting thing about the
Confession's era is that a lot of them music sounded
very eighties to me, yet she was using a disco

(06:05):
seventies presentation like hung Up to me, it's like a
very eighties song in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Well, I mean, Gimme, Gimme, Gimme came out in the
very late seventies. That was what seventy nine, Okay, So
because that's that's that that. I don't know if you've
ever heard that Abba album, but it was very disco
and it came out. That was like the later year
that that came out.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
And I just feel like when you did with it
with Stuart, that driving beat kind of had like a
like a debt or alive or like a new order kind.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Of like high energy sound some of the tracks, I mean,
but then you get some of like the space disco
element from like the high like post I call it,
and this is what I call it. It's some of
what other people call it. I call it like post disco,
because you know, like disco kind of ended, you know,
in like seventy nine eighty, like disco suck. Everybody was like, oh,

(07:01):
disco sucks, so we have to call it something different now,
so it became high energy, Eric became you know, space disco,
and a lot of a lot of space disco and
high energy came out of Europe.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
And then also like a Challa disco, which I love.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah, there was a lot of those elements to that,
and I'm wondering if that's where they're going to go
with this, which I will not be mad at at all.
I mean, and I'm here for all these other you know,
new artists doing disco like Dua Lipa, I'm here for it.
I wish you would continue to do that.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
I'm totally here for it. It's just it's it's timeless
yet futuristic, like that's what disco has always been for
me in general.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
I mean, I think the world needs more disco.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah, there's never enough disco.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
No, I mean, Kylie's been doing it for years, Danny's
been doing it for years.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
So my my dream, I think. I think I mentioned
this before on the podcast, but back in back when
after Confessions came out, even maybe before Confessions, because I
was getting acclimated with Stuart Price's previous work and his
current work. You know, he did remix it for Gwen Stefani.
He also worked with an artist that kind of disappeared

(08:08):
after Confessions named Juliette, whose album has a lot of
similarities to Madonna's Confessions, like that guitar driven dance beat
that like some of some of the Confessions tracks have.
It must feel like Madonna like kind of said, Hey,
I really like what you did with this girl, Juliette.
Let's do it, but do it my way, you know.

(08:28):
But his early early work, his moniker was l Rhythm Digital,
so it's I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing it correctly
because it's in French. But he he did an early
album with like very like eighties like hip hop sounding
stuff and some freestyle sounding stuff. He actually did a
song with Shannon I believe called Take a Little Time,

(08:48):
and I was hoping that she would work with him again,
and we get like a Madonna freestyle like eighties bbop
kind of you know, like like funky, you know, like.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Like Madonna doing Lisa Lisa.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
So yeah, that's what he said, That's what I was hoping,
and then then we got we got hard Candy after that,
and even Stewart didn't think that was like a good
move for her, which is very interesting. He's probably a
little like grumpy that he wasn't continuing with her, but
you know, he did the tour with her, so that
was fine. But I really, like, I really want like
a freestyle song for Madonna, like we net. The closest

(09:21):
we ever got to freestyle for Madonna were some of
the remixes of Who's That Girl and some of her
other mid late eighties tracks. But I you know, I
love Madonna when she's introspective and she's political and all
that kind of stuff, So I don't.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Sometimes we just need a dance yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Yeah, I mean I agree with that. I mean, and
even even some of her her dance songs have a
message behind them. And considering what's been going on in
the country, he I wonder whether she's going to move
out of the country for a little bit, but she
seems to do that.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
She's notorious that she might.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
She might.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
I mean, where's where can she go next?

Speaker 1 (09:59):
She was in she was in Portugal right during the
last run, So I'm wondering whether she's gonna move But
also like, are we going to get some button pushing,
you know, political with a dance beat or does she
just want to party? You know?

Speaker 2 (10:12):
I mean I'm okay with that as well. I mean, well,
I love New York had a little bit of you know,
political you know undertone to it, that's true. Yeah, the
unreleased track that they will it's not really unreleased, but
it was an icon exclusive super pop that's true.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yeah, she's have a way of melding politics with dancing.
Like we started the show with a little bit of
a teaser of one of the B sides, History, which
which I believe should have made it onto the album.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
I always wanted her to do, Like I would love
for them to release here we Go Again, you know,
a deluxe package of confessions. You know, maybe you know,
put the extended versions, put the you know, non album
tracks on there, you know, just kind of sneak them in. Yeah,
you know, put a beautiful you know, a little did

(11:03):
you pack book or something together.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Well there's also that, you know a lot of I
think like it doesn't eat a lot of a lot
of demos, uh snuck out from the Mere Waves and
Scure Price sessions. And there was that song triggering your Senses. Yes,
that eventually became hey you right, It's like hey, hey boy,

(11:30):
and then it's got the whole poets and.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Triggering your SeNSS like I remember I could hear that part?
Did you have it?

Speaker 1 (11:37):
Maybe my correction? And then there's also the song where
she does the the rap from that eighties song that
he does it from the hip hop hip Hey. There's
also a version of one of those songs, So like,
I only imagine what it must be like, Like I
don't know if you if somebody worked with her or
who's allowed in the studio with her, like when with

(12:00):
mere Ways, is it's just her and mere Ways is Stuart?
Is it just her and Stuart? But can you imagine
like being just fly on the wall to some of
the creative process. Not only does she still have that
like fresh sensibility to her music and is inspired by
a million things at once, but she's like she's really
she's made these whether they're popular or not. She's made

(12:21):
some extremely brilliant melodies and great hooks and really knows
how to constructive pop song.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
I feel like there wasn't a bad song on the
entire Confessions album, So.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah, no, there was. There was certainly not, and that's
probably why they had to spill over and release some afterward,
you know.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
And I have I have high expectations for this next record.
So I'm thinking that we're going to get we if
she's saying Confessions Part two, we're getting Confessions Part two yeah,
and then some Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
I mean, like Stuart hasn't really been doing a lot
of his own work or like his own monikers or whatever.
Like he was remixing everybody at one point as Sin
White Duke if you look around and see, uh yeah,
you know, he did a lot of remixes for a
lot of artists, from Depeche I think depeche Mode all
the way to you know.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
The Killers, The Killers.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Yeah, that's right, Kylie. So I could I just hope
we I just hope it's not like my one negative
remark about Kylie' last two albums, it's it's just the
same beat every single song. Like I hope we get
some like hip hop beats and like some like I
don't just want somemp thumb thump, you know, m Well.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
I don't think we'll get that with Madonna. Yeah, I
think we're going to get like a solid, amazing record.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Yeah, and she still loves that, she still loves like
the hip hop crappy sounds, so we might get a few,
you know, like hip hoppy, kind of eighties vibe kind
of sounds. But I just wonder what kind of like
what kind of topics is she going to cover? Is
she going to cover love? Obviously, she going to cover
like like ageism, Like how is she going to put
that all into her music? It's a wild part.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
It kind of depends on her mood at the time.
I mean, I'm sure she has a lot of you know,
lyrics you know stashed away, you know, covering all of that,
you know, because it's all stuff. You know, a majority
of the things that she writes is stuff that she
you know, has experienced and witnessed and is passionate about.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
So I'm sure, you know, she's had the loss of
her her stepmom and her brother Christopher. I'm sure is
going to influence something on the album.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Oh for sure.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
For sure.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
I mean I wouldn't be surprised if she has like
a like a tribute to him, you know, a tribute
song or something on there, because I think, no matter,
you know, even though they were strained for a time,
you know, that was that's still still her brother and
she you know, cared deeply about him. Speaking of Christopher,
you watched, you watched Becoming Madonna, Right.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yes, I watched. I watched like the first half of it.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
But in case anybody wonders is wondering what we're talking about,
this was the you know Madonna special that Sky, the
Network and the UK they did were covered you know,
Madonna's early years all the way up until Erotica, you know,
sex book era. They didn't actually mention Erotica. They just

(15:13):
went up to the sex Book. But Christopher must have
you know, been contacted and recorded prior to him getting
sick and you know, passing away. I don't know, I
don't know how far you got got in it, but
he contributed a lot of like sound bites, yeah, you know,
talking a lot about you know, you know, and they

(15:34):
show a lot of footage of him, you know, a
lot of very very high quality footage, mind you you know,
from like the Uncle Sam show, which you know, which
has leaked. You know, you could find it online, but
it's a very poor you know, video capture of a
poor you know VHS tape. This was pretty clear, you know,

(15:56):
you know, videos of him dancing with her, and you know,
the early years and.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
I remember he met the whole thing about like when
your name's Madonna, like either you know either it either
like you know, stifles you or or the word he
used or it elevates you.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Yeah, and it was really interesting to hear him say,
like he's like, you know, when the pen like when
when Penthouse and Playboy published the you know, the nineteen
seventy nine nudes. He's like, I was, you know, I
knew she'd be okay, but I was more worried about
my father, you know, all the all the guys at work,
we're going to see this. I agree that might may

(16:37):
have been a little creepy and a little awkward, especially
for that time. Yeah, but would you think of it,
would you think, you know, as a whole, I mean
from what you saw.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Yeah, it reminded me. I don't know if anyone's ever
seen Madonna in the Breakfast Club produced by Guy Guido.
It reminded me a lot of that, but.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
Without like the drama to drauma and drama. Say the
word for me, dramatization. Thank you, dramatization. You know, like
actors were trained.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah, yeah, but yeah, yes today they you know, in
Madonna Breakfast Club, they did a lot of old footage,
old photographs, old tapes with her talking and singing on
and all that, so it kind of reminded me a
little bit of that, but it was like done from
like a not necessarily from a fans perspective. I feel
like gay Guido was a fan and kind of it
was more like a love affair with him, where the
Sky Becoming Madonna was a little more non bias maybe

(17:29):
if that's the right word. Yeah, yeah, I definitely want
to watch it again with like the with all the
sounds intact. It's so weird because I downloaded it again
and again and it's still like after like the twenty
five minute mark starts like heading out.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
I watched it on my Roku.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
I don't know if you don't have a roku. Oh no,
but I downloaded the file that you said. You know
that you said it, yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
One thing, So I liked it. I liked it a lot.
I wish that there was a little bit more in there,
like I wanted. I wanted a couple extra things in there.
And they covered a lot a lot of points that
most documentaries don't cover. It's interesting how they how they
did it, Like it wasn't like your typical behind the

(18:13):
music type of you know, narrator talking and saying like,
oh blah blah blah, bah blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
You know.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
It was you know, people from her past, you know,
Mary Lambert, Camille, Stephen Bray and you know all these
people that you know. Oh yeah, well you know, Stephen
Bray came on and was talking about you know, ain't
no big deal, you know. Oh, I had this song
and I want you know, it was okay. My mom

(18:40):
was the only one that liked it, but I had
Madonna sing it, you know, and it's been much better.
So that part was really good. I liked the added
footage that they put in and a lot of the
interview sound bites of her explaining things you know, from
various you know, interviews and whatnot from over the years,
and they stitched it together really nice. Like it was

(19:02):
really good. I just wish that they kind of did
a little bit more. I wanted more to it.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
What I really love about those kind of documentaries is
like the old school New York footage and all that. Yes,
that's always fun to see, like the subway and like
different parks and like you know, forty Second Street, et cetera,
et cetera. It's cool.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
And you know, even even like the footage from you know,
like the Lower East Side, and you know, they were
showing a lot of photos and they threw in a
bunch of videos, like you see a lot of footage
of like John Sex and Keith Harring just like really

(19:43):
the kind of big, you know, New York City's you know,
underground celebrities at the time, which which I appreciated. I
appreciated that a lot, you know, seeing all of that
in there, I kind of wanted like they didn't really
focus a lot on albums, you know, talking about oh
well then you know Madonna released True Blue, or she

(20:04):
she did a movie, you know, she did Who's That Girl?
Or this or that, Like they kind of left that
those things out and they kind of just like glided
past them. But they covered a lot of other topics
that other documentaries or specials don't usually cover.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
Yeah, it definitely was a definitely was a fresh take
on her history.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
So I mean I was, I wasn't. I actually just
rewatched it before because I was. I just I enjoyed
the editing and it was nice. It was nice to
hear you know, Mary Lambert shared you know, like the storyboards.
I'm assuming they're the original storyboards. Maybe they're not, who knows.
For the like a prayer video, and I was, you know,

(20:47):
they showed a couple at least rare things I've never seen,
you know, photos, you know, but backstage photos and stuff
like that from like the early day shows, which I
was like, oh, you know, this is this is you know, intriguing,
It's fun to watch.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
He really had such a like an epic circle of
friends back then, you know, from Bosca to hiring you know,
kids hearing and all the you know, jelly Bean and
all this stuff, and Mark came in and all like
and I really liked the whole the steymour Stein section
where he's like he's a guy. I'm in the hospital.

(21:25):
She didn't care whether I was, you know, beat or not.
She just wanted me to sign the contract.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Just signed the contract.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
And I would I would love to have been a
fly in the wall, like when Camille Barbone got let
go as her manager, Like Madonna was just like kind
of like twirling her hair and chewing gum like on
the couch while they're like Madonna doesn't want you anymore,
Like how how like destructive of a person that could be,
you know, just like by you're done.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
And here she is. She's like, yep, I'm gonna still
talk about it to this day. Yeah, forty years later,
does she do anything? Like I wonder which I wonder
what she did post Madonna because I just talk about Madonna, because.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
When did Freddy demand was was Michael Jackson's manager and
then he started managing Madonna? Held how can you manage
Michael Jackson and Madonna? Like that must have been that
man must have been.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Pulling his hair out.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah, or like a superhero, like an alien.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
I mean, the two you just you know, biggest stars
of the eighties, you know, huge world tours. You know,
Michael was at that time doing a lot.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
But how do you at the same time?

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Mm hmm, Well I don't did it. I think the
only time their tours ever crossed was for The Girly Show. Interesting, right,
because I don't think they were ever on tour at
the same time, so he was probably able to do both.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
And I wonder if that was like part of the whole,
Like their tour schedules was like, all right, Madonna and
Michael can't tour at the same time. Because he's only
one person. I'm sure you have a hand in that,
you know, I'm sure he did. No, you can't both
tour in August because I'm only one person. I can't
go and to oar to both of you.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yeah, I mean that censors Like, I wonder did he
pass away? I think he's passed on by now.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
In the nineties, he was probably like forty or fifty.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Right, let's see, Freddy's a man.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
I always loved his name, like it was like, who's
the man like Freddy de Man.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
No, he's I think he's alive.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Somebody eighty six. Somebody needs to talk to him before
he goes.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
He probably he's probably like tight lipped about everybody and everything.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
He must know some shito. Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Interesting. He managed Shakira as well. Also former manager of
Lionel Richie Billy Idol. Huh.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
How do you get to that point in your life
where you have that that skill set?

Speaker 2 (23:57):
I didn't know this either. He's produced Broadway show. Freddy
Demand's got his hands in a lot of stuff.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
I want to be Freddy Demand when I grew up.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
I don't know if I'd want to be Freddy Demand
when I grew up.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
That's a lot of work that legacy, though I love
a good legacy. Interesting, that's my new aspiration, that's my
new Year's resolution, to be Freddy demand. But I mean
I at my age though he was already probably Wait,
so if he's eighty six now, he was what thirty
five years ago? He was forty. Yeah, he's fifty when

(24:29):
the Blond of Vision tour was happening. Yeah, all right,
I got I got two years, okay, a year and
a half to manage the blond a Vision tour. All right,
all right? Do you ever do that? Do you ever like,
look at look at your ears?

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Do you ever do the Blonde Ambition tour all the time?

Speaker 1 (24:46):
Do you ever like go like, oh my god, when
I was twenty, when I was twenty four, this is
what I was doing. When Madonna was twenty four, this
is what she was doing, or like others or the
other like, I do that sometimes and I'm like, wow,
this person was doing all this shit at the same
age I was doing this shit.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
You know.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
Well, I don't know, I guess sometimes I don't know
if I ever actually sat and thought about that.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
I mean, as much as I'm proud of my age.
I'm very obsessed with age. I know it sounds weird,
like I'm not I'm not. You know, I'm forty eight.
I'll be forty nine two months. But it's like, I'm
not sad that I'm forty nine, but I'm obsessed with
the fact that I'm forty nine.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Well, when Madonna was forty nine, she was gearing up
for Confessions on a dance floor, right right, or no,
hold on, she was She's forty seven. She was forty seven. Yeah, okay,
I'm bad with math.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Yeah, and I released my Confessions last year. Soon there
you go.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
You just you just finished your Confessions tour.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, yeah, I just finished my Confession. So well, i'd
be going on a Confessionals tour this year.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yeah. And you're going to go to Malawi yeah and
adopt some children.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah yeah, right in line, I'm right in line.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
All right, get that visa.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
I must say, like to anyone out there, you know,
obviously Madonna fan spanned many, many decades and many age
groups and all that, and a lot of the fans
that have been fans from the beginning, you have to
be in your late forties or fifties in order to
have been a fan that long, but like I feel
like my life did like a summrsault and rebooted around forty.
I know that sounds crazy. Yeah, like it just kind

(26:18):
of like I think when you turn forty, when you're
almost you're you're you'll be there in like fifteen years, Stevie. Sure,
you kind of like you let go a lot of
those like oh I'm not where I need to be. Yeah,
I'm not where, and you just you relish and where
you actually are, you know, like you stop worrying about
like I only have that, And now that I'm going

(26:39):
to close to fifty, I'm like really like, fuck it,
I had you know, I can't. I can't rewind anything.
So just got to make the most of what I'm
who I am now and what I'm doing now.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
We'll let you know when I get there. I have
a couple of years to go.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
So yeah, forty fifty to forty. It was my last relationship.
I've turned forty to my last relationship. So maybe I
was in an optimistic love spell. But forty was pretty cool,
Like turning forty was pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
I always thought when when I turned forty, I'd have
like a big birthday party because I didn't have like
a big I didn't have a big thirtieth birthday. I
didn't have a big twenty first birthday.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Every birthday big.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
My thirtieth birthday, I went to Rock Bar. Ironically enough,
it was a Madonna party and I got shit faced.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
So yeah, well speak a birthday parties. My birthday party
this year is going to be a recreation of the
Madonna Pajama Party at a secret location where we're going
to start releasing some promo material for that soon. But
we just finished our last Madonna worship of the year,
which was really fun. It was it wasn't It wasn't

(27:43):
like balls to the wall or whatever the word is.
I don't know. I'm very very vulgar today. I've been
cursing a lot. You know. It wasn't the crazy like
super party that it usually is. But I think everyone
that was there like had a blast. Yeah, they had
the same energy. Shout out to Luna who brought all
his all his children, all his gay children. They were

(28:05):
vogan and and doing runway and giving it to the children.
Amazing performances by Coma, White Tea Boy, Misty Mountains, La
La Wiggy, Glorious Swan song and uh Everyone's little brother
Carlos Acosta and I actually got the performed. I haven't
performed in a while. I MA donal worship, so I
sang open your Heart with Carlos, which was really fun.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
It was, it was, it was, it was. I enjoyed,
you know what part. I really loved that they had
the catwalk there, so because a lot of like the
you know, performers really got a chance to like, oh,
let's use the catwalk and they all came out onto
the catwalk. So that was a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Especially Misty Mountains basically being a sexy stripper in drag.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
She was, she was you well, you even said, you know.
She inspired the the ninetie for celebrations.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
Actually last August that to worship in in Brooklyn No.
Twenty twenty four, twenty three, twenty three three, she did
sex from Rebel Heart in Crazy Enough like a red
and black Nighty Nighty and a blindfold. M hm. She
sure did this.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Next tour, Madonna's going to be wearing hot pink crocks.
I thought they were hot pink? Was she, Misty? Were
you wearing hot pink crocks? I know they were crocs.
I don't remember if they were. Was not on stage, No,
not on stage. When she got off stage, like when
she was getting her stuff to leave, she I noticed
she was wearing Hot Pink Rocks.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
That's the name of her next single, Hot.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Hot Pink Rocks. That that Misty Mountains her next single.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Yeah, definitely check out. Misty Mountains is a very special person,
and you know she's brilliant. She's got music out to
look up Misty Mountains on off streaming platforms. She's one
of the hardest working queens. I don't know if she's
ever I don't know if her aspirations had to be
on drag Race, but I don't think she ever needs to.
She's one woman show brunches everywhere. She's also in aries. Yes, sister,

(30:07):
that's right, really really amazing person and her music is fantastic,
So definitely check her out.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
And Coma looked gorgeous.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Was stunning. I mean, Thoma's always stunning, but usually in
like kind of like a like a holy shit wow,
like ara ish kind of like ultra female version. But
at Madonna Worship, she was it was there's an elegance
restraint for her.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
That was just mesmerizing.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
It's and it's so funny because everybody always introduces her,
you know, the horror queen, you know, the spooky, spooky ghoul,
you know, and then she comes out and she's doing
take about.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
I know, it's so funny, which.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
It always happens like that's because maybe a lot of
people from Madonna Worship, you know, the people who come
and have seen Coma perform, you know, doing Madonna numbers,
they probably don't realize that that's you know, Coma does
a lot of you know, horror and camp stuff, so
you know it's Coma and I were giggling after we
we left together after after after Madonna Worship, we went

(31:15):
to and Panada, Mama to get some toastonis and some banadas.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
And you're gonna be our sponsor next month.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
I hope. So, I hope, so, Mama. I mean maybe
they can cater I mean, they could drop off some
empanadas and til Stonis and some guacamole. I'm all for it. So,
but we were sitting there and we were giggling. You know,
here's the spooky queen herself, and she comes out to

(31:43):
in a ballad.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
I know it, but like I mean I don't know
what else to like, Like, that's her. That's how I
like fell in love with her, with that that look
and the fact that she goes to that extreme.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
You know, one day, one day she'll do a horror
Madonna number and completely just like blow people away.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
It would be awesome if she came out dressed as
from Four Rooms.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Yeah, I mean she she she does love a movie throwback, so.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Yeah, she does a lot of She tells me then
whenever she's getting ready for Madonna worship, she like watches
Who's that Girl? Nicki Finn is one of her her muses,
which is pretty amazing. Yeah, that's just for Nicki Finn.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
I mean, maybe we need Who's that Girl?

Speaker 1 (32:28):
Part two?

Speaker 2 (32:29):
We're doing Confessions part two, so maybe we need a
Who's that Girl? Part two? Like where is she now?
Like did they get married? Did they you know, did
they buy a house that you know? Does she still
have you know Mary Cats?

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Yeah? You know, I'll never make it. Like the movie
is like silly and fun, and she's cute and kind
of sexy, but then when she comes out with that
champagne bottle and that champagne colored like Sara rap dress. God, Yeah,
it was just like, this is the woman that everyone
fell in love with, you know.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
She was she was gorgeous there, she was gorgeous at
the Oscars. Then it was nineteen ninety one Oscars with
she went with Michael Jackson. Later, Oh my god, yeah, gorgeous, gorgeous.
I wanted to be her in that moment.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Oh just that performance. She was like, yeah, you don't
think I can sing? Watch you know, she's sang the
hell out of that song and then added that little
like a little upbeat section, which was like, well, I
was like, oh my.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
God, I get away with.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
I remember that. I remember seeing that on TV when
I was a kid.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Yeah, because like I exploded head over heels Madonna like
during like a parent vogue and then like obviously I'm
Breakfast was attached to that, and I just remember I
listened Toime Breakfast at a gazillion times and just that
embodiment of that old Hollywood and how she really like
work those songs out.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
She did, I mean vocally is fantastic, fantastic vocals. I
would love to hear her do something like that again,
just just just for fun.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Yeah, No, I totally agree. I just you know, I
just wonder where where her head is with with her
own like talents and her own abilities, like like I question,
like the overuse of the vocoder, like does she not?
I mean she could obviously do like a studio recording,
like everyone, you're standing there and you're singing into a microphone,

(34:33):
not dancing around out of breath, So like I would
I really want like a like a you'll see vocal,
like something really strong and confident, you know, mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Maybe we maybe we need another ballad compilation something to
Remember part two. Yeah, maybe we'll get one, because there's
been a lot of ballads the past few albums.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
So yeah, like we definitely got Like one of my
favorites is Falling.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Free Falling f He is wonderful, Messiah.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
Messiah is gorgeous.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
I'm actually kind of partial to inside out. Do you
think that's a balid kind of yeah, I mean it's
it's it's it's a very melancholy kind of sad, inquisitive song.
It's slower, I mean it's not definitely not like Dancy.
You don't think it's a ballad. You wouldn't consider it
a ballad. Kin like a slow grinder, Okay, right, Messiah

(35:26):
is what love it? Masterpiece was wonderful too.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
Yes, that's right. Looking for Mercy is beautiful. I just
love that she's known as like the dance Diva and
that record. But then, like, I'm sorry, nobody sings a
ballad like Madonna.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
No, absolutely not. I was listening. I was listening to
like a Virgin Yesterday and love Don't Live Here Anymore
and shoeby Do.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
And so good.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
I mean, I know it's you know, it's kind of
cheesy now, but great song, great vocals. Maybe we need,
we need a whole Madonna ballad album.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
Should We Do is one of my favorite Madonna songs ever.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
So I can't hear that remastered.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
That innocence, that like that optimism that she had back then.
You know, I think she still has an optimism though.
I think that's why she's like people say, you know,
we want her to grow up like she's she's not.
She should be a lot more cynical, considering what's been
you know, handed to her over the years. But she
still has that like you know, helpless romantic kind of

(36:34):
like love is the most important thing, kind of feeling.
That's that's what I think propels her and keeps her,
keeps her strong.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
What you're gonna do when you love is gone? Who
you're gonna play when the game has ended? Where you're
gonna go when the good has flown? Now you're gonna

(37:27):
play when your love?

Speaker 5 (37:33):
Keep the side, Stay a loud, keep the side.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
Stay I'm loud.

Speaker 6 (37:57):
What you gonna do when you're on your own? What
you gonna have when you get down? Place to call
your own?

Speaker 3 (38:13):
But you're gonna travel when your colors done? How you
don't die when.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
You kill.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
It?

Speaker 7 (38:39):
Consern to please skin.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
It.

Speaker 8 (38:54):
Please don't let it get you down.

Speaker 4 (39:14):
Keep the byes.

Speaker 8 (39:15):
Femi to your head. Don't let me take your.

Speaker 7 (39:22):
Keep the bys feam.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
You'll begin again.

Speaker 4 (39:29):
Jeans see.

Speaker 8 (39:38):
Gans see.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
The spee. M hm.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
You've got to be a little You've got to be
a little naive or a little you got to stay
a little, a little childlike in your life in order
to really enjoy the little moments and even the bigger
moments like you have to. It can't be this grown
up and this you know, grumpy, jaded person. You have
to kind of give that up a little.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
I think that's good advice. Yeah, I mean, you're any
for like anybody of any age.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Yeah, I mean one of one of the in the
theater group that I was in college. Our motto was
be like a child always, And I'll always remember that
because it, like it really is the key to happiness.
You know, children are amazing.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
I believe the children are our future.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Yes, but I'm wondering, you know, I'm just I'm just
dying to know, like where we're going with with their music.
You know, She's like, she's done so many different styles.
How does she even decide? You know?

Speaker 2 (41:03):
I think it depends that. I think it's like the
stars have to align and she's like, Okay, I'm doing this,
like this is this is where I'm at, and this
is what we're doing that I'm creating and I'm creative.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
And because whatever happened to the Max mart wasn't she
in the studio with Max Martin? Well I think that was.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Wasn't that only to remaster stuff?

Speaker 1 (41:20):
Really?

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Yeah? I think that he was only doing like the
remasters of what of the back catalog?

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Oh that's kind of disappointing. I was hoping for a song.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Well, maybe they were.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
Isn't Max Martin the guy who did all like the
like Brittany's early stuff and Max Street Boys or is
that somebody else?

Speaker 2 (41:38):
He may have done Backstreet Boys stuff. I wouldn't be surprised.
I mean they were Brittany and the Backstreet Boys, weren't
they They were on the same label.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
Yeah, like there's and some of their songs are interchangeable
with the beat you.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Were, You are correct. I forgot all about this. I
just had to google it, and I'm like, oh, look
at them. They are in the studio. So maybe maybe
they're there and it's just you know, waiting to be released.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
Maybe maybe like one of the songs will be from him,
you know, maybe, or just like a lot of her
other albums, Like you know, she did a whole album
sort of with Babyface after after after Bedtime Stories and
then kind of nixed it, right, m so. And she
also did a lot of stuff with Shep for after
Erotica that got scrapped for Bedtime Stories, right yeah? Doesn't
She apologized to Shep in the in the album I

(42:21):
think so yeah, Ma donna apologize and believe it, believe it.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Or not, because most of it like sounded more like
Vogue than anything. I believe that's what everybody was saying.
I like the stuff like the original Yeah, like the
original album was it was very it sounded a lot
like Vogue what erotical. Yeah, and then it just kind
of went into an entirely different direction.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
I really like Dear Father, I like like a lot
of the Rain tape stuff.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
I think I think we need the Rain tapes to
be released officially on cassette, you know, reblica cassette, so
that way it's it is the Rain tapes. But I
think most of them are already out like anything from
those sessions, like from those tapes are already out there.
I don't I don't think there was as much as
we had hoped, but who knows.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
You know, shame, that's on shame. That sounds a lot
like money. That was shame, So maybe that's why released.
It's a shame.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
But you know, we still we still didn't get the
Bedtime stories released that we were supposed to get. Wonder
what's going on with that's right, because that was thirty
years right, Yeah, Susan Thomas nap Time, that's right. We
were we were talking about it like two episodes ago.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
Yeah, that's true, and.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
It was you know, something's coming soon, coming soon soon,
maybe next year, but I mean, who knows. I wonder
what it's going to be if we get anything. Maybe
it's just like an album sleeve, you know, holographic Bedtime
Stories album sleeve. She was doing that for a little while.
She did it for Ray of Light, and she did
it for American Life and m DNA well like that.

(43:58):
It was just like a like a sleep to put
your you know, record jacket into there were it was
like a hologram.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
That's fun.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
I didn't actually buy them.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
I remember the day when I used to go to
a record runner, which go to once Ala in the
West Village. It's had all those those interview picture discs
hanging on the wall. Yeah, because it gets so excited
about them. But I didn't really have a record player
back then, so I think I bought one. I think
I still have the I have the I have one
of them. I think it's an erotica era.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Okay, how did you not have a record player back then?

Speaker 1 (44:32):
I don't know. I don't know why I did it.
My brother had one, but it was like the way
on top of his his his like music tower. Like
music systems were like gigantic back then. Yeah, it was
like the two big speakers and then like all the
buttons to push and then like the record player would
be well, you know, there was a small, small house
and there were a lot of us that lived there,
so the bedrooms were kind of overfilled with stuff. But yeah,

(44:53):
we didn't really have a record player as a kid.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Do you have one now?

Speaker 1 (44:56):
I do have one now, yeah, but it's like one
of those like it looks like a suitcase.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
And you okay, all right, you know, at least you
have one now.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
Yeah, I have a gazillion records that in storage. But
I should go through them and like kind of grab
like a bunch and just then switch them out.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
You know, utilize them, you know, play them as long
as you're playing them. I've had a record player since
I was a kid.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
Yeah, it's weird that I don't have, isn't it. That's
so like so weird. You know.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
It's like here we are, you know, at Madonna worship
when you're like, hey, we're a whole generation apart. And
I remember I had a record player since I was
a kid. I remember, you know, I remember when you know,
stores sold records and then they stopped, you know, because
in favor of CDs and cassettes.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
Yeah, it was a cassette player as a kid. And
then in nineteen ninety is when I got my first
boom box, so it was fourteen nice. Yeah, so that
was nice. Then I started collecting CDs and remember there's
a store in North Arlington, New Jersey. Once it was
after you bought your tenth CD, got the eleventh one free. Oh.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
It was kind of like a BMG type of situation, right.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
We actually had to pay for everything. That was another
way I built my CD collection to scamming BMG.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Yeah, as most people did.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
How did anyone think that that was going to work?

Speaker 2 (46:09):
There's actually there's videos on it online like like like
their marketing strategies and whatnot, Like only you couldn't you
couldn't get everything from BMG or Columbia House like I
don't think like for many years they didn't have rights
to like Michael Jackson and like stuff like that, like
only like certain artists and certain labels allowed them because

(46:32):
I they printed their own discs. You're right, because I
don't know if you ever noticed, like like club like
like you know music club releases, they don't have a barcode.
It just has like a white you know block and
it will say like Columbia House or manufactured for BMG
or whatever right in that area. So they they would

(46:55):
produce their own stuff. And they were you know, silver
press CDs. It wasn't like a CDR that was like
green or blue or anything. So yeah, my family had
a had an account with them, so I gotta I
used to get a couple of CDs for them. You know,
you buy two and you get one half off. You
buy four and you get two free, and you know,

(47:18):
it was like exciting. I always like looking through the
like the catalog because they used to familiar a book
like a catalog. So it was that's how I kind
of familiar familiar I can't talk tonight. I'm so sorry,
familiarized myself. I can't really, I cannot talk tonight.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
Every episode there's at least one or two words that
you have trouble with. Just shoot me, like, no, it's
it's given.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
That's how I got more familiar with a lot of
different artists. Like I'd be like, oh, this artist, oh
and they're known for this or that and and whatnot,
and then I do research.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
It's the way that I like stocked up on like
artists that I didn't necessarily know what their album was
going to sound like, but I liked one song, yeah,
sort of one or two songs of their singles. So like,
like I think Vanessa Williams album, I might have gotten
that way the comfort.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Zone first, the first album.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Yeah, like like I got like I got London Beat
that way. London Beat was one of my favorites. But
like back then, but like I only knew their singles,
so you couldn't really test a CD out when you
were back then, that was our way of testing. And
you know what I mean, I don't know if I
can get in trouble for mentioning this. I mean obviously
a lot of people did scam BMG in Columby House,
But it's how I feel now about as a DJ,
I have to actually have a physical not a physical

(48:34):
MP three, but a digital MP three in order to
play it through my program. So I can't just use Spotify,
or can't use just use Apple Music to listen to it,
you know, to play it through my systom. So that's
how I feel now with like Torrent Sites and Apple,
Like if I really really like a song, or if
it's an independent artist, or if it's like a lesser
known artist, I will buy it on my music store

(48:56):
like Apple. But if it's like super pop, you know, major,
I'll try to find it through like other means. Other
means Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Yeah, I mean I think most people. I mean, listen,
there's some DJs out there who'd use YouTube.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
Yeah, I mean, I mean I've done that a few
times when it's.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
Like for a for a drag queen or like a yeah,
please don't do that. Yeah, but I mean it judge,
I will judge you.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
No, but I'm saying I'm not going to pay for
a track.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
No, that that drag queen can acquire a high quality
track themselves and send it to you.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Yeah, No, that doesn't really happen. I still get Spotify
links too from people, and I'm like, I'm having home
to play this. But if you don't know, you don't know,
you know.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Yeah, no, listen, I I would respect them if they
came with a cassette.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
When I first started djaying drag shows and stuff like that,
it was CDs. I would get, like when the Imperial
Court of New York was doing a show, I would
get like fifteen CDs with with with uh, with post
its on each one, this is for this queen, It's
for this queen in this track. Yeah, it'd be like yeah,
that was always an interesting uh because then sometimes like
one of the one of the CD's that's didn't work,
that kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Do you know that happened, believe it or not. More recently,
I was witnessed to this, believe it or not. I
used to have a local gay bar up by me
and there was these two older queens and one of
them was much older, and she had a CDR and
she was doing I'll I'll never forget this.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
It was what do you call it?

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Whitney Houston. She was doing Whitney Houston and the CDR
was so badly scratched. And I remember my friend who was,
you know, working the music that night. They were like,
how am I supposed to play this? We don't have
a CD players that you have a laptop, laptop has
a CD as a CD rom, you know, just put
it in there. And the disc was so scratched. Do

(50:48):
you remember what a CD sounded like when it would
skip like it skipped live? So I think in that
moment we may have they may have switched to to
Spotify just to play the song, but that that that's
a thing, that that's real. CDs can skip, guys, Hostalogyes
is a change.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
In, Yeah, it certainly is.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Maybe we'll go back to like reel to reels. What's
a real real You don't know what a real to
reel is?

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Not sure? So like like like the big tapes, like
the tape reel, I just didn't know what it was called.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
I always want That's one thing I never had. I
always wanted one. I love the aesthetic look of it,
but obviously i'd play with it.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
When when a when a cassette like would get all
crazy and pop out and you'd have to like use
a pencil to just spial it back in. Remember that? Yeah,
of course, Well you actually used to try to used
to try to make mixes by cutting there, is that right? Yeah?
I did. I used to.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
In my mind, I thought if I taped it all together,
it would be a mix. I spliced that tape back together.
Clearly didn't work.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Like what happened when you put it in? Did it
just not?

Speaker 2 (51:52):
I don't, I don't. I think I just I think
it would play like little bits and then it would stop,
and then like the tape would actually just in the
machine stop.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
So you know.

Speaker 9 (52:06):
But in my mind, I was like, oh, yeah, people
do that with film and people do that all the time,
so why can't I do it? And it was going
to be a perfect, you know, mega mix, you know,
like much like the video Megamix that was on the
the Bedtime Stories Pajama Party special on MTV. That was wonderful.

(52:29):
I loved watching that that that Megamix was.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
I really fascinated by people make how much time people
spend on making the ones. In my mind, it's insane
at any and the graphics and the and the everything
that these people do, and then they make the music match.
I'm like, oh my god, how do you do that? Hey?

Speaker 2 (52:46):
I mean people, people are dedicated. I mean people who
make concert footage to you know, dis placed together all
the concert footage to make like, you know, their version
of you know, the show exactly.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
It's fascinating. It's something that you really can like as
much as you know people, you really can't ai that.
You know, you have to actually be an artist still,
like it's one of the remaining things that can't really
be I mean, not you automated. Yeah, yet at least
automated I mean you could do those things on you
can make click you're like best of like throwback videos.
Did you know that your phone does it all for you.

(53:18):
But when you're paying homage to an artist and the
little idiosyncrasies of that artist and the and the little
moments that you appreciate about them, the highlight person really
needs to be a human to do it.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
It's true. It's very meticulous too, displice it. Like you've
seen obviously you've seen the confession store videos that people
have made. Yes, you know where they've taken footage from.
You know, people have uploaded or sent to them and
you know, put it together very seamlessly exactly, so you
get like different angles and you know, using different audio sources.

(53:50):
It's great. I know I saw a bunch of people
did that with Rebel Heart too, you know, putting in
you know, because you know, in Rebel Hearts she did
you know a couple of nights she did fever and
she did hanky panky, and you know they put all
of that in there. So the show ended up being
like two and a half three hours long. I think

(54:10):
I have that someplace somewhere.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
Heart.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
I think the last few nights in Australia, she did
it maybe, I know, definitely the last night in Australia
she did it.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
When did she do it?

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Let's look, let's let's let's check the set list. Set
list that FM.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Rebel Heart, right, yeah, Rebel Heart Tour. Do it in
like the section where she did like the different.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Songs, music like where she did like music, like the
art deco section when she's standing, like when she's standing
on the top.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Oh wow, you know, like the top of the like
it looks like a cake.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
Yeah, you know, I was gonna say cake, but it wasn't.
Let's see Rebel Heart Tour. Let's see Sydney's something today.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
I never knew that she did Hanky Panky. I know
she would do like you know, I don't smoke, but
like to start fires like that.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
She she sang part of Hanky Panky. I'm one pounds.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
I know I didn't make this up. I'm checking cells
that FM. Yes, here we go, okay, Brisbane, Brisbane, March seventeenth,
twenty sixteen. She did music Hanky Panky performed a cappella
in the middle of the previous song, first time since
two thousand and four. Then you know, obviously candh yep,

(55:24):
I'm checking these dates and I'm like, oh, maybe I
made that up.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
I was like, no, I know, I didn't make it up.
I love what she just throws stuff in like that.
That's really fun. It is fun, I mean. And I
also love that, even even as choreographed her tours are,
they do evolve throughout the tour, like things get added,
things get taken away, choreography changes, so like she is
a perfectionist. But I love when there's like a oh,

(55:50):
that wasn't in the early part of the tour, but
now it's the regular. You know. That happened with an
MG and a tour, which was pretty special because there
was the DC show that first night. I was in
the Golden Triangle with my friend Eric shout out to
Unicorn and she did like a virgin and then all
of a sudden, she goes into love Spent and we
were like spitting right now. It was the first time

(56:11):
she did Love Spent in the tour.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Yeah, she did it. I think she did it in
New York too, didn't she.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
I think New York was after DC, maybe I think so. Yeah,
I think D once she edited it. It stayed. But
the show that I saw was the first time she
added it. Oh okay, yeah, and then I think I
was lucky enough to hear at the Barkley Center for
Rebel Heart. I was lucky enough to hear her do
Ghost ghost Town. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
Yeah, I didn't that. I didn't go to Barclays for that.
I wasn't there, So.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
I thought, once in Barclays and then once in MSG.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
You don't know that I'm looking. I don't think she
did love spent when MS at MSG at a Yankee
Stadium that was like forever ago. I don't think she did.
I'm not seeing it on the side.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
Like I beg. Remember she did Holiday, Yeah, she did
do Holiday stopped raining.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
The first was the second night it was raining.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
She did Holiday. She's like, did it stop raining? And
she's like, see, I told.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
You, Oh gosh, yeah it wasn't. I didn't like Yankee
Stadium for concert venue, not.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Even that show was twelve years ago. There almost their
two months ago.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Yeah, it was. I didn't like it. I just it
was too open. I didn't like the sound it was sounded.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
It wasn't as good.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Yeah, because it's outside, you know.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Yeah, I know, I took m d M that night,
so my experience of that show is quite different than
any other.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
I should have did that, I should have did that.
Maybe I should have I should have found Molly.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
And yeah, well, right before, right before we went into
the concert, I was sitting in a separate section and
my other two friends. One of my friends said all right, everybody,
put out your hand, and we're like what. I was like, Oh,
it's gonna be that kind of night. I'm like, and
I'm alone. Luckily, it kind of fizzled out by the
end of the show because I was like, how am
I going to find friends?

Speaker 2 (58:00):
I have, believe it or not. I have a couple
of good shots, like photos from the MDNA tour, so
that I was.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
I remember the first night I took my mom and
I drove down and I parked it like a little
underground you know, a lot, and we went, we went,
you know, and then afterwards we walked back and got
in the car and I couldn't for whatever reason, I
couldn't get up the steep incline of because it's underground,

(58:28):
you know, the underground garage, and my mother's had just
fucking gone it. So I did and when I came up,
I scraped the bottom of my car and I broke
like pipes underneath it. Oh my goodness, and then my
car was really loud.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
So yeah, that was That was my.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Experience with m DNA's wild I should have been on
m DNA.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
That was. That was at the stadium show.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Yeah, that was the first night. That was the first night.
The second night I went alone, and that was the
night that it was raining, and I remember I had
seats and my seat, like the seat in front of
me was not covered. I had like that little overhang.
So I was like, oh, this is I'm gonna stay
right here. I don't have to get wet.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
So yeah, M DNA memories.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
Yeah, probably were at the same show together before we
knew each other alone, that's right, alone, but together, that's right.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
The stars aligned and you know, brought us together.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
Yeah, exactly. Something. I know that my friend, my friend David,
got really drunk and was like dancing and like his
like got to a fight with the people behind him
because his like his ass crack was showing is the
way he was dancing, and the people behind him kept
yelling at him to pick up or something.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
I should have pulled them down.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
I don't know the whole story, but something along those lines,
and he got into a huge fight with them and
my friend Eric that was with them, like in the
middle of the show, and he was like they didn't
talk for like five years, like you ruined my show.
And they were like way up in the in the balcony,
like up in the nosebleeds and I'm like on the
floor by myself, tripping balls and I'm getting text messages
saying like I'm leaving David a maniac and I'm like what,

(01:00:16):
I'm like, I can't deal with this right now. I
even know what you're saying. Yeah, that was fun. That
was That was an experience. And I actually bought that
ticket like on a whim back then, like I was,
I didn't have a ticket as that was like the
most expensive ticket I ever bought back then, really, and
I just treated myself. I said, you know what, I
can't not be in Yankee Stadium to see her because
I've always had a little bit of Madonna fomo because

(01:00:37):
I like my work schedule or my like just my
finances or my whatever, like I wasn't able, like I
I can never go to like the little after work
signings or like her little appearances of these little like
what she did, like the Madamex thing a couple of
years ago, like at I don't know if it was
a record release or something where she did a little interview,
Like I can never get to those things because I

(01:00:58):
couldn't even go to Matamex's opening night because I had
to work. So everybody came afterward, and I like, and
I had to live through that vicariously. Everybody came to
Snowball afterward to celebrate, and I was like, oh, like
I wanted to Opening Night because we knew nothing about
the show.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Yeah, right, I got I had Opening night tickets on
buy mistake by mistake, it just worked out that way
because all the other dates got canceled, and right right,
I was like, oh, I guess I'm going to Opening Night.
I remember I had a friend of mine was with me,
well not with me, but I met up with him

(01:01:34):
there and he pulled He's like, oh, I came prepared
and he had a pen and a little notebook to
write down the set list and write write things down.
I'm like they should have thought of that, you know,
because at the time we didn't no phones lock them up.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
I loved that. I love else it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
Didn't really did, but it didn't stop people from recording
the shows at least. Well we have aught well because
what they did was they plugged a mic in hit
record on their phone, locked up their phone, just held
their phone out, you know, in the bag, so they
had they we have an audio. We have audio recordings.
So some of those nights got you, okay. I have

(01:02:12):
an audio recording of Opening Night.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
So not for me.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
I didn't do it, okay, because I was I wouldn't
have thought of that then. I should have thought of
that then. But somebody else did out there, that'll do it,
good job, didn't. I remember one night at Madame X
somebody did get kicked out at one of the shows
because they managed to get their phone out of the

(01:02:37):
bag or whatever, and they got kicked out and then
Madonna sat and sat in their chair. So yeah, she came,
she came to They were like in like, I don't
know if they were in the front row or what.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
That's just stupid whipping out your phone in the front
row in a theater.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
I mean, you're just asking for it. At that point,
she could see.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
You yeah, everyone else. If you're up in the balcony,
I can see. But like, honestly, if you're that close
to a show in a small theater, why do you
need to record it?

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
People like having that you know, that video, that memory.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Do you do you ever?

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Do you ever go back and watch things that you've
recorded from shows.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
Only kind of lately when they pop up in like
a memory on Facebook or something.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
Okay, I do from time to time, or like I
go back and like revert to like, oh I don't
remember what happened here, like what.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
Was this or what was that?

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
And I'll watch the video.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
I have to organize my video a little better because
I've kind of footed from celebration towards I need to
just put in one folder. Plus, my poor phone is
getting filled up just since I got an upgrade. I
don't really delete much. I'd really do to go through
and start deleting or that room again.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
Make sure them backed up to Google Photos.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
Or something exactly. No, Amazon does it now too.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Even better have multiples, trust me, I know that all
too well.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
No of coorse Stevia has had a lot of file
storage issues over the past couple of weeks. Couple of months,
like I.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Had a massive hard drive failure and then I had
the new hard drive failure, and I don't know why.
I really don't know why. And I've had like I
don't want to say anything more because I don't want
to jinx myself. But if anybody listening, make sure you
have multiple backups of everything off on site. Off site,

(01:04:24):
make a get a spare hard drive, and give a
copy of it to your grandma, like something. Okay, you know,
put it in a safety deposit box something, because it's
a bitch to to get everything back. Give it to
your grandma, that's right, give it to give it. Give
it to your your dear ant agnes okay in the
nursing home, if you have an ant agnes in the

(01:04:47):
nursing home.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
But all right, well, I think it's time we kind
of wrap things up. What do you think I think?

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
So, you know, it's it's so funny. I just looked
at the time and I was like, oh, we didn't
do a mid mid episode break.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
But we'll probably that's okay, I'm going to sneak something
in there and post production, right, we could do that,
but we're definitely we're the King, the Queen Kings of Tangents.
But was Madonna. You can't help it, it happened.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
I mean, listen, our last episode was really unhinged.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
So yeah, this one was actually quite calm, and it's
this was on point, you know, is the bedtime stories
to last episodes erotica? Yeah, but this is like the
mellow controlled version. But last episode was not so. But
we had fun.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
That's fine me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
Yeah, we always have fun. That's the point of this podcast.
And uh, we've been getting, you know, some nice feedback
from people that listen to the show, and it's it
definitely propelled us to do more. And you know, we're
not looking for you know, the gazillion followers and listeners,
but that would be nice. But we'll be getting some
feedback from people in different parts of the world, which
is really nice.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
I love getting messages like that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
I do.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
So please if, if, if you're if, if this is
your first time listening, send us a message. I'd love
to chat.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
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(01:06:23):
of the world this year. Montreal and we might we
might take Madonna Worship to Toronto. We had we had
a request me and Stevie might be taking the podcast
on the road and doing a little Madonna Madonna Worship
night in Toronto.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
We could maybe we could do it like on the road,
like actually on the road would be really record transit.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
We won't even have to we won't even need more
than one phone. We just need one phone.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
We did, Mike, Mike, we could get a tape recorder.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
The Fascist, the Fascist Edition, Fascist State.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
Of Fascist State of Toronto Edition. Yeah, exactly, We'll do
the masturbation scene and arrested.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
There we go. That's exactly. That's exactly what we'll do.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
All I'm all I know is I'm entitled to one
phone call on a strip search.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
I mean around got rest fucking on stage?

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Can we can we just say, like now that it's
twenty twenty five, you know, and I know you've seen
it posted reposted on Instagram and whatnot Nicki Nicki Harris's
premonition from truth to dare jan I got the move, baby,
you got the motion?

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
Doesn't she say lotion? Maybe the moves, baby, you got
the lotion?

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
Maybe you know what, I should pull out my my
Blu ray and see if the subtitle track is on there.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
Oh that's really funny.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
I wonder I have it on DVD too. Maybe maybe
there's closed captioning on the vhs.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
That might be the one major disappointment that I have
of the Celebrasion tours that there is no way that
she could have like had them up on stage with
her for just even just for like a hug.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
I I thought maybe, just maybe they would have been
the guest judges.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
Yeah, but you know it's just wild, which really really wild.
The four people that do not make really one like
appearance on any of the video footage is Nicki, Donna, Christopher,
and Guy Ritchie. Maybe Guy Richie shows up in the
what she talked about her lovers, right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
I think I think so? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
Yeah, But like Nicky and Donna and Christopher are in
so much of her early year footage, they completely nixed
three them out of everything.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
Really, I never I didn't take note. I might have
to go back and and look, I never took notice.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
I'm almost positive that those three people who were so
poignant in the first ten years of her career for
longer with Christopher like they did not. Not one bit
of footage has any of them in it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
There's no there's no footage of like Lucky Star where
they're like like a long even a long shot, you know,
full frame, you know, of them dancing.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
Nothing. I don't think so. But there's also no like,
there's no excerpts of Vogue with the three of them
in it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
No their hats well with the three of them, or
because I feel like maybe during the Vogue set, like
the opening footage there, there's not like you know, where
the camera pans and shows like them all posing.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
They're not in that. I don't think so we're gonna
have to. That was actually like I started after the
first couple of shows. I started to look for it,
and I never caught any of it like you have,
like you know, Beyonce Ariana, there's that share moment, you know,
like but like like whoever edited that was given specific
instructions to say, I do not want any of Donna,

(01:09:44):
Niki or Christopher in this thing really and with weird
like Donna and Nikki, Like what what actually transpired that
Madonna would cut them out of her will basically, you know,
and like why couldn't they put like you know, I'm
I'm gonna post it online. I did a little little
video tribute for for Christopher for Madonna worship. But even

(01:10:06):
like the like we were just talking about, you know,
the cops are here and they say you're gonna get arrested,
Like you would think that might make it into the
into the one of the montages from the Celebration tour
even just echoed in the background. You know, She's like, well,
what do they consider masturbation? But no, Christopher is nowhere
to be found, huh. And she loses him like right
after the tour ends, which is still wild.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
I'm kind of cure, Like, I know, I it's safe
to say Christopher is.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
Not in there.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
I thought maybe he would have been in there, and like, oh,
they showed a little bit of Lucky Star and you
see him in the background, you know, But I don't
think that you're right. There's probably no footage of them
of Nikki, Donna and Madonna dancing, but I feel like
during that vogue that they might be like in there

(01:10:53):
some place.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
We would have to check yet, because I know there's
a teams from Truda Dare when they're at the moment
of silence from the Pride period when they do the snapping,
it's her dancers. But Nikki and Donna weren't at the
Pride grade, so yeah they were, they didn't film them,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
Well it would have been it would have been a
really nice.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
I mean, my god, they were there since Who's That
Girl tour, like she eighty seven all the way to nine,
all the way to two thousand and one, Like that's
a long time of her career that the editor had
to like keep an eye out for, and all that
amazing footage that couldn't be used of the three of
them from the music performances, from the music video from

(01:11:33):
Express Yourself, from all the versions of Express Yourself. You know,
like like that's a lot to have to keep an
eye on to cut out. You know, something really really
bad happened between them.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
I guess, well, we'll see, we'll have to well we'll
find out eventually everything comes to light. Because Donna hasn't
worked with her since two thousand and seven for Live
Live Earth or one of them, Live Live eight, Live eight.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
Or something like that. Yeah, so yeah, well, I mean,
I know she got pregnant and that's why she couldn't
do uh m, dna, I think something like that, like something.
It's just very interesting, you know, how how that all
like how that much of her career had to be
like kind of snipped out, you know. But yet the
funny thing is that in the beginning her first performance,

(01:12:25):
you hear Nicky and Donna singing nothing really matters, which
is really like the vocals weren't cut out, but any image.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
Of them was, well, they are there, They're there. See
there you go. Yeah, But well it's been fun.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
Yeah, it's been really fun. And we're gonna we're gonna
finish up the episode with the full version of repeating
of History, one of our favorite b sides from the
Confessions tour, which we're getting apart two.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
I'm excited.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
I want a single, Like I want like give us
a single, and like like February or something or late January.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
Maybe stuff for like Valentine's Day.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
Give us something. We need something because ten years ago,
freaking Rebel heart came out, Like how crazy this time
of time has been doing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
That's so weird. Ten years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
Valentine's Day is when she released like the four tracks
I think, or the five tracks.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
Yeah, because they leaked. Yeah, the whole you know, studio
sessions leaked.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
Yeah we got ghost Town, which we didn't we didn't
know about ghost Town, but yeah, so we'll see. I
just want even like a snippet or something I don't know, like,
I just want I want to know on an idea
of what the sound is gonna be, like you know,
and as a DJ in New York City, I itched
to play a new Madonna song whenever it comes out.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
So unrepeat, yeah, repeat it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
Yeah, but we're gonna we're gonna close out. Thank you
again for listening. Everybody. We posted on the Madonna Worship
Instagram page. You can or even Stevie's page usually do
a collaboration. So if you leave a message, we're all
at it, and let us know what your thoughts of
the new album. What are you looking forward to when
you know when it comes out?

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
Like, what's your what's your wish what's your Madonna wish list?

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Yeah? For Confessions Part two? Whatna called it's gonna be
called like apologies, or it's gonna be called like an
it's or I don't know, is it gonna is going
to have like a correlation to the word confection.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
We shouldn't write click synonym and see what what what?
Like words are like confessions?

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
The name of your intele disco band? What?

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
Right click synonym? Yeah, my intella disco band.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
I'm not sure you knew that you had one, but I.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
Mean maybe you never know. Maybe maybe maybe I'll I'll
put out a put out a hit single.

Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
Right click cinnamon synonym.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
That's that's right click, right click cinnamon is is the
after hours version.

Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
We're getting punchy now, all.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
Right, I'll let's let's let's close out.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
Good night everybody, good night everyone, good night's eb.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
Good night Chauncey.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
Word to.

Speaker 4 (01:15:34):
Intucation, to be to.

Speaker 7 (01:16:32):
Look around the world, let around me?

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
What do you do?

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
Say?

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
What you weed?

Speaker 4 (01:16:52):
Till more? People call three?

Speaker 7 (01:17:16):
When I was saying made I find by agree? Why
not be calling dim so secret giant by day? Why
have we gone together? Miss by the river? Why he

(01:17:40):
was still be by? I'm so secretied by day?

Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
How many trage the.

Speaker 10 (01:18:07):
Will we see before we come together. It's easy to
forgas have a power to make things ure.

Speaker 7 (01:18:36):
The dreams are not freak, so need to change.

Speaker 11 (01:18:42):
In judgestream history, dream said day.

Speaker 7 (01:19:36):
Fine by three name.

Speaker 4 (01:19:40):
Why have we only nine.

Speaker 7 (01:19:44):
Soul signal giant by day?

Speaker 4 (01:19:48):
Why have we all together?

Speaker 7 (01:19:51):
Fess fe River? Why he was still by.

Speaker 4 (01:19:59):
Souls?

Speaker 7 (01:20:00):
You can tie by day.

Speaker 4 (01:20:11):
I start story chaster, story, story school, schol

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