Madonna Worship The Podcast Episode 012: Like A Virgin And Other Sundries Side B

“When you walked through that door…I knew you’d be back for more." The boys had so much to discuss they had to split the episode into two parts. Here’s Side B of “Like A Virgin and Other Sundries”. For the second half, Stevie and Chauncey welcome the godmother of the Madonna fan community, Michele Ruiz, to the podcast! The three discuss everything from their collection of Madonna memorabilia, chance meetings over the years with The Queen of Pop, the upcoming recreation of the Pajama Party for Madonna Worship: Bedtime Store Edition on Saturday, March 22nd and even brought up Madonna’s shoe size! Follow @micheleruiznyc @stevievox @djchaunceyd and of course @madonnaworship to stay up to date with everything going in the Madonna universe and beyond. And also don’t forget to RSVP and grab you ticket for Madonna Worship: Bedtime Story Edition on Partiful.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:22):
All right, and we're back after hearing over and over
from the Like a Virgin album, and we have a
very very very very very very special guest. Who is it, Stevie.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
It's Michelle?

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Is Michelle? Michelle? However, now I'm good.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
How are you? Guys?

Speaker 2 (00:43):
We're great, We're you know, we're like a Virgin.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Yeah, we went off. We went off on a tangent
amongst tangents, as we normally do. We were like, wait
a minute, we have a special guest today. We got
to get to her.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah, we were, we were We were talking about, you know,
just going through tracks on Like a Virgin, you know,
and do you believe.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
It's forty fortieth anniversary of Michelle?

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Oh my goodness. You guys just make me feel old
by saying that.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Do you do you find this album to be like special?
Do you think it's special to you or anything?

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah? Well it was my second Madonna album. Well, I mean,
well for every mostly everybody, I guess from back in
the day, my second Madonna album. But the Like the
Virgin kind of like solidified my fandom for life because
of the MTV Awards performance. So that was like, like
I watched her videos before that and it was a

(01:39):
big fan. I fell in love with her. But watching
the MTV Video Awards that night, that performance, like I
just stood there like with my mouth open, like, oh
my god, who is this? Like I mean, I knew
who she was, but it was more like, you know this,
like there was just something about that performance and just
watching her you know, like own her sexuality and like

(01:59):
own like who she was, like you know back then,
like I was ten years old, so you know, like
watching this like it was just something that you know,
you don't see every day. So yeah, so I guess
you could say the album is pretty special to me.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Well, the weird the weird part about that performance is
that her manager, of all people, thought her career was over.
And it always startled me because I guess maybe he
freaked out because it was such a like uncalculated situation.
But it ended up being the reason that she's Madonna.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
And you would think that Freddie DeMann would have noticed that,
you know, that would have been like like, ah shit,
this is gonna be awesome. We're gonna get the best
press ever. But now he was like terrified and told
her and made her cry. I think like he told
her that her career was over.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Oh my goodness, it's a happy, happy, little mistake.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
You know, And if I felt the way that I
felt watching it, I'm sure I wasn't the only one,
you know, Like, I mean, so many people watch the
MTV Awards, like especially like back then it was a
I think it was a bigger deal back then than
MTV Awards would be like right now, that.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Was the first MTV Awards.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Yeah, well, so there you go.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Does anybody even watch the MTV Awards anymore?

Speaker 1 (03:15):
I do?

Speaker 3 (03:16):
I watch clips, like if I hear of any like highlights,
or if there's somebody that I want to see who's
performing or whatever, like you can always catch that on
YouTube or like, you know, like MTV. I think I
have like MTV on demand or something or whatever. But
you usually would find the stuff online.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Now, in nineteen eighty four, we didn't have the internet.
So now you watched it live and then they would
show they would turn it into a music video, you know,
a performance like cluseing the Commotion was a was a
live music video. Dress you Up was a live music
video like a vision. They stopped playing the original like
a version. They would play the MTV Awards version because
it was so awesome.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
You know, well it used to be such like an event.
You know, oh you know the the you know, MTV
Awards are on tonight, you know, Oh my gosh. It
was like a party.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
You would get together with all your friends. You'd watch
it like wrestle Meania, you.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Know, essentially it was our WrestleMania.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
Yeah. So also, like you know, you didn't have YouTube,
You didn't have you know, you had to record stuff
on your VCR, like you couldn't. You couldn't just press
a button and any show you wanted would play for universe,
you know.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
I best you could see that being like an event,
like you know, like oh my god, like you have
to watch this now or you have to like record
it on the VCR or something, or you know, or
you just miss it like because you can't like rewatch
it all the time.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah. Like I remember when, like my father tried to
switch the channel one time when Madonna was on some
one of the shows and I was like screaming. I
was like, what are you doing? Are you like why?
He's like I want to watch No, no.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
No, no no, no, it's recording.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
You couldn't change. You can't change the channel when Madonna's performing,
you know, I know it might it might have been
like the Vogue performance. I'm not really sure, but oh
my goodness, a little bit about Michelle. Michelle and Michelle
and I met. It doesn't twelve, right, I.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Believe so, like probably I think like early twenty twelve,
because it was like months before the tour started, right,
the md Anda tour, because we started before the show.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah, yeah, we we We saw a show together. We
were in the pit together in DC at the same time,
and you watched my bag the whole night. I remember that.
And then later that year, Wait when was that show?
Was that show in August or after August?

Speaker 3 (05:33):
Oh goodness, I can't now. For some reason, I can't remember.
I think I think it was after. I think it
was after.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
I remember that the Yankee Stadium was in September. I think, right, yeah, yees, yeah,
I was there. Well, we Michelle had come to Madonna
worship at Nowhere Bar, and then we hung out, we
left a little. We got to know each other a
little bit there, but then we really got to know
each other after the concert. I think after week you
and Angel were in the pit with me and my

(06:01):
friend Eric, and you stayed. You knew where to stay
because it was like your fund just show already Michelle.
Michelle is, uh, she goes to see a lot of
the shows in each concert, uh, and I think there's
like six show. She was like her fifth show already,
so she knew where to stand, she knew where to

(06:22):
be in the in the in the pit. And I
was like, Okay, can you watch my bag. She's like,
I'm not moving from this little corner right in the
right in the front of the pit. We stay.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yeah, we stayed in that corner because I think that
was I think that was like my first like because
that was the Tip and like I didn't have like
a night in the Tip yet, and I'm like, oh
my goodness. I was like, we have to have a
night in like in the Tip. So like we knew
like once we get there, like you can't really move
because like people will just get right in because that's
like basically front row. It's like it's one of the
front rows because there were multiple front rows in that.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
So the Golden Triangle was a pretty amazing thing. I yeah,
I cherished, I saw. I saw three shows in the
Golden Triangle and I will never forget each of those shows.
It was just to see the audience from her perspective
in some points was mind boggling.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
And that was the first tour that she did something
like that too.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
There was a little thing in Reinvention, right, the little
like the pits on the side, right, Oh.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
They were I feel like, yeah, I kind of remember
there were like a bunch of fans. I don't know
if it was both sides or one side, but it
was like but it felt like they were like under
the stage, like to the side, so like, and that
was kind of weird. I remember seeing that because there
was I remember a contest and I didn't win that contest.
That was way back when I didn't win that contest,
but like I remember seeing like when we got there,

(07:43):
we were like, well, where are these people? And it
was like they were underneath like the side stage in
a sense like if you go google pictures, like if
you really see the weird you.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
Really see them during Express Yourself and during like the
American Life section of the show, that's when you really
see where they are. They're like and it was just small,
like two small little diamonds, right. It wasn't It wasn't
a big space. It wasn't a big space. It's probably
like twenty fans and excide.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
Yeah, it looked really small and like really weird. That's
what I remember. I'm like, yeah, small, really weird. Because
it's not that not that I would be upset if
I won, Like if I if I won that, trust me,
I would be excited about it. So I'm not kno going.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
To but I mean it was I remember that specifically
that that. I think that was the only time I
ever remember hearing like that certain part of the floor
being marketed as something, you know, a golden triangle or
a pit.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
So and you really could. You weren't able to buy
tickets for the Golden Triangle, right it was only winter.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Lot wasn't it lottery?

Speaker 3 (08:50):
Yeah, it was a lot It was lottery, and like
contest winners, I believe you could.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
You could have physically purchased a ticket for the Golden Triangle, right.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
No, you remember we were up in the middle of
the night. We're up in the middle of the night,
like tweeting and whatever, because they would basically pick the
winners sometimes just a few hours before the show, Like
you really have to be on point. I remember I
was practically falling asleep on that ride to d C
because I think we found out like around like one
or two o'clock in the morning or something.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I called him in front Eric
because you already had somebody to take and Eric was like,
I don't believe you. I don't believe I don't believe it.
Don't believe it. I'm like, yes, we're going to DC
in the morning.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
Oh, that's right. We were. We were going to take
each other, and then we both won, and we were like,
that was it. Because we were up, we were up
texting and tweeting and texting and tweeting. We're like, oh,
you know, because we're like we're gonna win. We're gonna go,
We're gonna go, we're gonna win. We're gonna go. We
were going to take the bus or whatever. And then
all of a sudden, like we both got notifications that
we both won and.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
We were both able to invite somebody, which was really cool.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
That's really funny.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
We put it out in the universe, We put it
out in the universe, and then we were able to
we were able to gift it to somebody else too,
which is also like it's an amazing feeling.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Yeah, that was really that was a really cool Eric.
Eric always tells me, He's like, I'll never forget that
you picked me. I'm like, well, you're lucky. I'm lucky.
I'm like, you're lucky Michelle one because I would have
picked her and it wouldn't pick your notes. But also Michelle,
Michelle has over the years slowly become a very important
part of Madonna Worship night. She started as She's as

(10:27):
the self proclaimed promo bitch where she would do it,
ask people trivia questions and hand out some of the
promo items that I would get from the record label.
But now she's definitely part of the planning. She's my my,
my right hand woman, uh stage manager, you know, like
if I can't run into the back and tell the
performers what's going on, she like checks them all in.
She takes care of that, and she has a day

(10:50):
all time afterward. But she's she's become an integral part
of Madonna Worship as it's getting bigger and bigger. And
my only regret is that she's never been able to
come to the Madonna Worship Knights that haven't been in
New York, which is crazy. She almost when we did
Madonna Worship in Portugal, she almost came into Portugal, just
couldn't make it happen. And then one time in Austin,

(11:14):
I did the party and went to the show and
she started up to day after. Yeah, so like it
was it just it wasn't in the in the cards
for her to come to the because twenty twenty four
we were able to take Madonna Worship to a bunch
of different places, so it was pretty cool. And we're
going to see And the exciting thing is we didn't

(11:37):
really talk about this earlier, but the next Madonna Worship
is in the works, and it's a dream that Michelle
has had for a while and myself as well, to
recreate the Pajama party that introduced the Bedtime Story video
back in nineteen eighty five, which happened at Webster Hall
in Manhattan, and we're going to recreate it to the
best of our ability on March twenty second, Kay at

(12:01):
a very special secret loft in Chelsea, and we're gonna
have someone read the the book and we're gonna doss
Spider Book Spiders tea party and we're gonna have an
it's gonna be lingerie or anything sexy that you would
go to.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
We're requesting pajamas, but if people don't feel comfortable, obviously
we're not going to force them to go out of
their comfort zone.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Okay, Yeah, but it's.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
Going to be very like there's gonna be lots of
candy and lots of pink and blue and very bedtime
stories album kind of feeling and flush furniture.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
And it's gonna be sexy and fun, fun and sexy,
just like the album, just like the album. Yeah, and
with a little attitude Chauncy and and and and to mention,
it's also Chauncy's birthday. It's going to tie in as

(13:00):
a Chauncey birthday party slash Madonna pajama party. I'm really
excited over this because the pajama party is like one
of like my highlights as well, like in you know,
in Madonna history.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Because you were there, right, didn't you go?

Speaker 3 (13:12):
Michelle, No, don't, let's not talk about that.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Okay, we won't talk about that. That's okay. You don't
want to know what when it when it aired on MTV,
my the power must have flickered because it stopped recording,
so I only watched.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
Half of it. Oh wow when it when it told.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Yeah I have I still have the tape too where
it's only half.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
Yeah, well I have a tape. Goodness, thank goodness, I
have the full tape or whatever. But it's probably something
that I've worn out and thank goodness, like years, like
it took many years like to get like the full
thing on like YouTube somewhere. I remember I finally got
it like a few years back, and I feel like
I've been watching it like ever since.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Well because you're like, oh, sorry, no, it's okay.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
Like they make all these clips and stuff like her
just dancing her little ninety and stuff like it's just
like she just looks so beautiful and she's having so
much fun, and it just always brings a smile to
my face, especially like Bedtime Stories is one of my
favorite albums. So it's you know, it was.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
Very like a very club kid like and there was
the time when we were going out to the club,
so like we felt like Madonna was like a buddy
back then. I think I think that's what felt like,
like oh, we're gonna see her one day, or like
she's out she's dressing like all my friend's dress, and
she's bleaching her hair really light, and she's wearing a
nose ring and a very bend ring and this like
it was very New York that album.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Maybe we should all bleach our hair.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
And she was having something. She was having so much fun.
She was having so much fun. It was just so beautiful.
And you know, like I said this, like I feel
Bedtime Stories is my I'm gonna say first slash second
favorite album because Bedtime Stories and a lot of Goa
they're like tied number one and number two for me.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
So you know, so it's wonderful.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
Yeah. So like her the promo, like the promo for that,
like the promo, like it was like it was amazing
and that was the big promo party that she did.
So like I feel happy, like we can like recreate this.
I mean we're going to recreate it on kind of
like a smaller scale or whatever, but it's going to
be sexy, fun and beautiful.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
Yeah, so so exciting.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Michelle is a very big like memorabilia collector. I kind
of envy all the things that she has from over
the years. I Mean she even snatches like a menu
from a drink special menu from a party either a
real a real deal when it comes to collecting, but
one of the things that I'm always curious about. We've

(15:31):
probably talked about this, but for for our listeners, like,
what are some of your like favorite things that you've
collected over the years that like, you know, are very
rare or like like prize possessions.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
Oh goodness, I feel like everybody has everything at this point,
you know, and I know a lot of like even
bigger collectors, which who the people that I'm envious of.
But I mean up to like a few years ago,
I would have said, like, you know, the Sex Book
was probably like one of my most prize possession because
you know, like I said, Erotica is one of my
favorite albums. That whole era was just amazing to me.

(16:06):
But my absolute favorite item now is my signed Erotica
CD that I got Madonna to hand sign for me
at the iHeart Radio show that she promoed for Madam X.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Remember that.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
Yeah, Like I have a video. Yeah, I have like
like the two videos whatever and like one like her
team did, and like she's basically like walking towards me
and like I hand her my sharpie and she just
like signs it right away, and I'm like, I still
have the Sharpie that she helped to. I still have that.
I feel like, yeah, yeah, I actually have like everything
there in plastic. I'm waiting to put it like in

(16:42):
a shadow box or something like. I have to say
that that's my favorite because of the fact that it's
something that I got like basically handed like in front
of her. She's hand signed it and everything, and like
she smiled and she was so like, you know, she
was so happy coming out and she I mean, she
didn't just sign for me. She's signed for like a
bunch of fans, but like for me, it was like

(17:04):
she just came to me. Yeah, like when you're and actually, yeah,
I really I think I was like that when she
came to this side, like I was the first one
that she came to. And then you know, like and
then she was like like who's is this? You know,
and she handed me back to Sharpie and she said
thank you. It was just like like I was just like, wait,
did that really happen?

Speaker 2 (17:26):
She know you by now right, I'm sure she does.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
I don't know. I've heard rumors that she knows of
like who I am and stuff and I you know whatever,
and I would love to think so, but I also
don't want to be like that fan. It's like, oh
my god, she knows me.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
I mean I know you by sight, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
She didn't know you're S security number, but I mean
she definitely recognized you. I'm sure, Like.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
I see that crazy bitch come in for me.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
She's like, oh she again, I saw you last week.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
I mean, I mean if she does or whatever, like
I I mean, I've like I've only had like great
experiences because like I like, I even sold like some
thread or whatever somebody was they were posting like how
they met Madonna. I guess it's like years ago, and
they said like, oh she was such a bitch. And
then I read underneath like a lot of people were
commenting I met her and this happened to me. I

(18:17):
met her, and this happened to me. And the very
first time that I met her, and Chauncey you were there,
that was the Gagosian. Yeah, like I had the best
experience like meeting her. She was nice to me. She
shook my hands, she smiled and you know, flashed those
girls in my face and it was one of the
best experiences and any other time that I've had any interaction,

(18:37):
like when she signed my CD, she was always so
nice to me. So if she does know me and
she's nice to me, whatever, thank you, I love you Madonna.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Like yeah, I mean I feel like people who've had
like a bad experience where they're probably like quarter off
guard or.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Well, my question is what did they do? Were they like,
you know, freaking out. Maybe maybe she was like whoa chill,
like okay, hi, yeah, you.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
Know, expect from fans by now, you know, or.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Was she sitting down having dinner you know?

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Yeah, because I remember during Hard Candy when she did
Dylan's Candy Bar wherever it's called. My friend Eric was
working at Bloomingdale's and he like said, I need to
leave my lunch break now, and he went over and
like waited in line and got to meet her and
he's like, I been love you and she's like thank you.

(19:31):
Like that was the interaction, and she wasn't mean. She
she was kind of you know, had fun that. He
was like, He's like, it's.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
Cute though it sounds cute, like thank you, you know,
like it just sounds it sounds cute. To me. You know,
I don't know, I mean, did they expect a party,
Like do they expect to like you know, like, oh
my god, I'm so glad you love me. Like, I
don't know what people expect.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Well, I think also, you know, she probably is on
guard a lot of times. You know, there's some crazy
people out there, exactly. You know, she she probably you know,
maybe years and years and years ago she was okay
to be like, yeah, let's take a picture, or let's
do this, let's do that, and then you know, it
only takes one to ruin it.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Yeah, I mean, I've seen I've seen some bad things.
Like I mean, I went to the premiere of the
We movie, and she came out so excited and so happy,
and I saw she was signing. We actually have a
record from that signing too, but she signed it from
like a friend of mine in the front actually gave
it to me. One of Oh by the way, that's
another big part of my collection that I love because

(20:39):
it's a personally signed.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
And it was there.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
But like, she came out and she was smiling and excited,
and she started like signing for people, and like the
fans got too aggressive and the barrier went down and
she ran off, and you know, so I get what
you're saying. Like these people, you know, sometimes you get
a little too excited.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
So I could see that, you know, I could. I
get it. I do, I get it, you know, as
much as I would want that to happen, you know,
if I was there, like you know, I've never I've
never come that quite that close with her. I think
maybe the closest was probably Terminal five in May of

(21:25):
two thousand and nine for you ready for this one,
Gaga's Fame Ball tour.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
She was there.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
She took her daughter, right yeah, And.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
I remember at the time, I wasn't wearing glasses, and
I remember seeing I remember seeing Lordus's dress because she
had a green dress on and I was like, oh,
that's kind of pretty. And I looked and I was like,
oh oh, And I'm like, yeah, kids are there, don't
don't even bother like kids and bodyguards like no, I
went downstairs.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
So I guess that you're so respectful like that, because
not everybody is like that.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Well, I mean, to me, it just seems like a
recipe for a disaster, you know, and especially if other people,
like I mean, other people did catch win because I
know I was getting text messages the entire night because
somebody posted on the live journal community. Oh no they didn't.
I was like, oh, you know, Madonna's there. Madonna's there.

(22:24):
Madonna's like, yeah, I know she's she's up there. But
you know, it wasn't like it wasn't it was. It
was very much a quick like I saw her type
of situation very quick. It wasn't, you know, anything anything
too crazy. And then the next was probably really I

(22:44):
guess you kind of really can't count this, but it
was Washington Square Park. Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Michelle had hurt her ankle like a week or two before.
And once we found out when she meant, like the
first president meet me at the park named after the
first whatever, her clue was. Everybody that we were all
waiting at stone Wall, everybody got up and flew out
of the bar, and I was like, Michelle's wounded.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
I was at station with.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
Me, stayed with me. He was the only one who
stayed back when we were all there, like, oh my god, whatever,
And then we all figured it out. We were like, okay,
Washington Square Park. Everybody flew out and I was like hello,
like I.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Remember we got to a car. We got there and
then we had a we we hung out the whole time.
But yeah, it was I mean that was pretty intense.
That was pretty intimate. You know.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
It was like I think it was an intimate moment,
Like I mean, it wasn't like it was a nice crowd,
but it was on a huge crowd. Everybody was like
very it was like a nice little circle of fans,
you know. And we were all so positive that day,
and yeah, it.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
Was the world. The world the next day like turned
into a different world. Like it's crazy, but it hasn't
been the same since.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
And I have a couple of really good photos that
I took of her that that day. Remember remember I was,
I was, you know, my fat ass was wearing these
like skin tight tight jeans and I couldn't lift my
leg up to to go over what like what is
it like the fountain thing? You know, Like I couldn't

(24:20):
I couldn't lift my legs. I can't lift my fucking
leg up. And the girl in front of me, she's like, yes,
you can, come on, and she like grabbed my.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Hoisted my legs.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Oh my god, And I'm thinking these jeans are going
to rip because they were really tight. I did the like, yeah,
so that's hysterical. It was. It was hysterical. But yes,
I did lift my leg up and I was a
tench closer. So but yeah, that that that that that
Those are my my close Madonna encounters.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
Those are good. Those are good encounters. Those are good
and intimate encounters.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
Yeah. Michelle was one of the few people that I
didn't invite, but they were. They were invited by the
manager to be at Stonewall on New Year's Eve in
twenty nineteen. When they showed up, I was like, how
did And my manager was like, I invited them. Yes,
I knew about it.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
It was amazing and.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
I was able to invite a few people, but my
manager invited my like New York Madonna family. I was
allowed to.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
Bring a plus one. I was allowed to bring a
plus one.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yeah. When they walked in, I was like, thank god,
I didn't have to not invite you, you know, I mean,
like I because they didn't even tell me that that
was happening at Stonewall.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
And we weren't allowed well, we weren't allowed to tell you.
I don't think we were allowed to tell you. And
I think like like we weren't allowed to. I'll be
honest with you, like because this was such a big deal,
like like I kept my mouth shut. I invited my
plus one. I would I bagged them. I was like,
I said, you're only coming, I said, if you can
keep this quiet whatever. And it was just like one

(25:55):
of those things where it's like keep your mouth shut
because you don't want to fuck this up.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Like here we are well because I know I've talked
about this with Chauncey. I think I found out about
it much after, like the doors were probably already locked
and closed because I was I wasn't in the city
at the time. I was up I was upstate, and
I think it was like maybe nine or ten o'clock
somebody messaged me about it, and that's what it started.
I must have leaked at.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
That point, yeah, you know, I think I think it did,
because people were like sending texts and people were calling,
and I think like people were standing outside and like
they were online and they were like, oh, is there
anybody who can help me get in? And I'm like,
I'm like, I'm lucky I got like and I'll be
honest with you, like I still consider that like very
lucky that I was in the right place at the
right time that I was invited, you know that I

(26:39):
was invited to this, and you know, and I'm like,
you know, like I wish I could help everybody, like
I wanted like my whole like Madonna family there, you know.
But I mean, it was just one of those things.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Was on the stairs, like sending me sending me the
most painful text messages like you help me. I'm on
the stairs. I'm waiting the show people it.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
You know, I know, like I literally like I felt
like I really did. I felt bad for people that night.
But then I was also like in my own then
I was also like I got like jolted into like
my own world and I'm like, I can't believe this
is happening right now.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Like also, you know, it's a small space up there.
You know, they couldn't leave the doors open. You know
that it would have been you know, the floor would
have collapsed.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Oh goodness, So they had to be select would have canceled.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Oh I'm sure she'd be like, no, I can't do
this too many people.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
No, it was perfect. They handled everything great, like the
way that you know, the way that they handled like security,
and you know how like however many people because they
didn't overcrowd it because you know, like stuff like that
sometimes they you know, places will do that. You know,
I've I've been like the the Pride party at the
Boom Boom Room, like they like they overbooked or you know,
had too many people on their guest list and like

(27:54):
and it was I felt so bad because first of all,
like it was packed, and second of all, there were
so many people on the street that whole night, councireds
of people that didn't even get in, and you know,
so like I do have to say, like sone well
handled that, like really really well.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Well kudos to Stonewall.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
So come back again, Madonna.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Come to Madonna Worship. There's the Jama Party happening.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
Yes, please, you're going to come out.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
You're going to come out and read the read the book.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
She's going to read the book and she's like, Okay,
now you're all going to shut up while I read this.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
You go, girl, I will set up.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
I'm like, let's let's let's put that out there in
the universe. Oh my goodness, could you imagine? Like I'm
already so excited that we're going to recreate this, you know,
this moment or whatever, and could you could you just imagine,
Oh my goodness, keep it.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
We had contemplated doing it for the twenty fifth anniversary.
We just couldn't get it together. I was actually at
the Jama party. I have my own horror story about that.
I got we got to picked that a line because
I didn't have my idea with me my high school friend.
It was kind of sponsored by a Z one hundred.
I think Z one hundred had something to do with it.
My high school friend was having an affair with some

(29:02):
guy who worked at zero one hundred. That's how I
got the tickets. And I got kicked out of line
because I have my ID or my ID was like
I was only nineteenth at the time. It was. It
was it was three days before my nineteenth birthday, I
think nineteen ninety five, and I had I was living
in New Brunswick at the time, and I had left
my ID at home on accident. I was like, shit,

(29:24):
but you know, so far away, I couldn't I couldn't
run back and get it on the train. So we
got kicked out of line, and then he I had
to go around the corner. I'd never met this guy before,
and I had to go around the corner in my
pajamas holding my teddy bear and find him. And I
had to find him and go, I don't remember his name,
Joe or something like that. I'm like, is Joe around?
Did anybody know what Joe? And I meet him. I'm like, Hi,

(29:44):
I'm Darlene's friend. He's like what, And I go, I'm
Darlene's friend. And I forgot my ID and they kicked
me out of line and he's like, you gotta be
fucking kidding me. Blah blah blah blah blah. It was
like a total Jersey, like a Brooklyn, like tough guys,
dying guy. He put like, he put wristbands on me.
And then I had to go find my friend Pedro,

(30:06):
who we got separated. We didn't have cell phone, the
fact that it's nineteen ninety five. So I find my
friend Pedro. We get back in line and we have
wristbands on, and magically, magically, magically, magically, we're waiting online
and that's when she pulls up in her limo.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
So we were literally in the right place at the
right time because she gets out of the limo and
takes her coat off and shows off her lingerie and
we were literally like five to ten feet away from her.
But if we had gotten in a normal way, we
would have never done that.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
You know, that magical moment.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
It all really worked out, you know, even though it
was torture, Like as soon as I kicked out of line,
like all these cameras that are up to me, like
what should like to crash our party and I'm like
what part? Oh my goodness, I'm.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Rotor comes out and he's.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Like like, so talk to me, like I'm supposed to
be here. I'm sure to have chickens, you know.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
Goodness.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
So it's pretty funny. So to recreate that night, I hope,
I hope I got my friend Pedro. I know he
recently had like an injury and I'm hoping he can
make it. Because we took the Path train together in
pajamas and holding teddy bears. I had a teddy bear,
he had, he had a stuffed dog, and we got
harassed by these kids from Noyork gay and call hums
all kinds of names. We were like because I mean,

(31:22):
two people walking on the train with holding teddy bears
in pajamas, and our pajamas matched where they were just
different colors. It was even more gay. Pedro was my pa,
was my Madonna and still is, you know, my first
Madonna fan friend. We used to hang out in my
basement and he used to get printouts of pictures of her,
like photo copies, and he would use real makeup and

(31:47):
like turn the black and white copy into like color
with makeup. Like that was the thing. He would take,
like a Madonna picture and we like colorize it basically,
you know, by using makeup, which is a funny thing.
Wasn't using like markers or crayons. It was like using
actual makeup.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
He's like, I went to the mac counter. Yeah, it's amazing,
like Madonna's makeup artists.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Yeah, exactly, I meet me. You never know love it.
I have one of my really good friends with a team.
He's done. He works for like all the fashion shows
and stuff like that and magazines and all that, and
it's his dream to one day do Madonna's makeup. And
you're gone close, but the cards have never fallen in
the right past. But hopefully one day he'll do her.

(32:36):
I don't know if I would be like I don't
get starstruck anymore, Like like luckily working at Stone Wall,
Like like some celebrities pop in and you kind of
have to keep it down. You can't get you can't
overreact because you could put them in danger. So it's
like more like a like you train yourself to not overreact.
But I don't know if I got your job, Yeah,
I don't know if I could put I don't know
if I could put makeup on someone like Madonna's face,

(33:01):
Like if you were.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
A makeup I think if you were a makeup artist,
I feel like if you might have a different attitude
because like when it's your job and it's something you
have to do, you know, like I feel like you
put your because that's what you know, Like that's what
I do because I've worked with CELERI, like you know,
the celebrities I've worked for, like with and around, and
like I actually surprised myself, you know like that I'm like,
oh wow, like okay, but this is you know, like

(33:26):
I just have it in my head. I'm like, this
is my job and this is what I have to do.
And like then I just don't look at them as
like anybody, but like, you know, this is the person that, like,
we have to work with, so you have to be
a professional. So I kind of feel like I feel
like your attitude would probably be different if, like if
you were an actual making artist and you got that
chance to work with her, Like I feel like, you know,
it's something you would like want to do, like you know,

(33:48):
like here, like this is what I did, and this
would be like your pr for the rest of your life.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Exactly.

Speaker 5 (34:12):
He's a patuz He known just what to say. He's uppatuzery.
You don't never.

Speaker 6 (34:20):
Say his appretizer and the ship got away.

Speaker 5 (34:25):
He's a pretenceer. What a home.

Speaker 6 (34:29):
No, it was a strange the way he held my hands.

Speaker 5 (34:35):
I wanted more than just a one night space. He
had a word of making me believe that he.

Speaker 7 (34:44):
Was mine, and that he'd never believe. I know that
I should take my pres advice because if it happens once,
you don't know what happened.

Speaker 5 (34:55):
So if there's a chance, then I know I've got
to try.

Speaker 7 (35:01):
I'll make him test with me. I'll make him tell
me why. He's a pretest. He's a pretesser.

Speaker 6 (35:14):
I'm not afraid to follow A hundred times him all
your super snifize of two things, then I could change
your mind.

Speaker 5 (35:26):
Don't say that I am mine. I know all about
your curve. He's a pretesser. You need a pretense.

Speaker 6 (35:38):
He's a pretender and this shit got why he's a pretenser?

Speaker 5 (35:45):
Why am I let you wait?

Speaker 8 (35:50):
He moved to cross the door, and when he dances me,
I know he wanted more.

Speaker 5 (35:57):
But in the dark things hapting much best. I shouldn't
stopping them on new we WoT is there?

Speaker 7 (36:06):
I should take my friend's advice, because if it happens once.

Speaker 5 (36:11):
You know it happen parts, it's fair to change. Then
I'm not. I've got to choy. I'll make him test
with me. I make him tell me why. I'm not
afraid to fall a hungry chime.

Speaker 6 (36:27):
I'll believe him all your sus like.

Speaker 5 (36:33):
I could change your mind.

Speaker 6 (36:35):
Don't say I am.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
You lie?

Speaker 5 (36:42):
You lie?

Speaker 9 (36:44):
You lie, you lie, you lie, you like you lie.

Speaker 5 (36:50):
You lie, you lie. I know all about your course.

Speaker 6 (37:00):
He's a pretaser, he's a pretender.

Speaker 5 (37:09):
He's a pretender. Why all yeah, he don't just want
to say yeah?

Speaker 6 (37:20):
You need him every day?

Speaker 5 (37:23):
Don't fishing galloway. I don't know how you got this way.
He's a pretaser. He's a pretaser.

Speaker 6 (37:39):
He's a pretaser, A fishing galloway, he's a pretaser.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
What a.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Maybe one day, Chauncey, you could do Madonna's makeup?

Speaker 1 (38:21):
Yeah, I mean I don't. I don't even know how
to do my own makeup. So that's you know, I mean,
I guess I DJed for her, So that's that's already
a goal over funny. You know, it's really funny. I
don't know whether I should be telling the story, but
it's recorded. But you know, it was a New Ye's
Eve party, so I would have played Madonna anyway, and

(38:43):
she was in the building. I didn't I didn't know
she was there yet. I was playing into the Groove
because I would normally pay the play. The chef had
of one remixer into the Groove even on a non
New Year's Eve night, because it's so fucking classic, you know.
And I think my magic growth said like, don't play
too much Madonna because you're making her nervous. I made

(39:04):
Madonna nerve.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
I mean, at least it was into the groove. I
wonder like, what would have happened if you played like
Jimmy Jimmy.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Been like, who the hell is this? Digit She's like.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
What why are we playing this? Or maybe she'd be
like good song, good song, good job was written about
Jimmy Fallon, wasn't it?

Speaker 4 (39:23):
Oh goodness, Jimmy Carter, Maybe so many Jimmy's.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
It was probably written about all the Jimmy's.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Maybe Jimmy Cagney, right, yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Think we thought. I think we thought that back then
because of White Heat. I think we all kind of thought,
like James.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Cagney, Yeah, maybe James Dean, Oh.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
Jimmy Dean.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
I think I think it actually was about It was
about James Dean.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
That kind of trope that kind of like rebel bad
boy boy, but.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
I mean underrated song, kind of like you know, should
be do underrated.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
I love.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
We were talking about that earlier because you know, we're
going doing tracks from like Virgin and it's really, it
really is underrated, like a lot of people forget about
it or they just don't like it. And I think
her voice sounds great on it.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
I think it's really I think it's a pretty song.
She sounds beautiful.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Yeah, So I mean, all right, Love Don't Live Here
Anymore might be slightly slightly better, but I mean.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
She sings her face off and they'll delive here anymore
she does. I would love to have been in the
field to hear that and go wow, or a girl
everybody says can't sing, it'll sing with that much passion,
you know.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
And it was one of the highlights that she threw
into Rebel Heart tour. Like it was kind of like
a nice little surprise.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
It was yeah, mmm, I wish that. I wish that
she would do that again, put it in there and
put in put it somewhere something again. Just it will
never happen, but.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
I wish back then she did something to remember. That's
one of my favorite ballads by her.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
Another amazing ballance to remember.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
I was spanitized something to remember. I think, like from
eighty nine to ninety five, it is like her pinnacle. Yeah,
and obviously it was like her you know.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Her ballads or just in general.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
Just in general, like her videos were extraordinary, her like
her antics were authentic to me. I think like she
wasn't like you know, but it's weird though, like she
was in her thirties, like mid to late thirties around
that time. It's interesting how like op stars now like

(41:54):
start out like like Britney started out, what's sixteen seventeen, right.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
Something like the ten because baby well.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Yeah technically technically yeah, she was. She was on the
Mickey Mouse Club, so she was like five.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
I feel like Madonna to live. Madonna got to live
a little anonymously.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
And then she became the global phenomenon.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
I guess nowadays they they start younger.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
When h when the first album hit, it was eighty three,
so she was like almost twenty five, You're already had
your you lived your life a little bit.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
She had, She had a lot of life experience at
that point.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Yeah. Yeah, just you start younger than that, you like,
you don't have anything to compare it.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
To m Yeah, because you you kind of grow up
into it, you know. So yeah, I mean maybe that
that that probably adds to the success of of the
brand and of her.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
And helped her peoper sanity and not really go into
any kind of like drug abuse or you know, I
think goodness. Yeah, I mean she probably popps a few
pills here and there nowadays because you know, older woman,
but probably has always taken a million things to like
keep her fit and keep her like healthy and keep

(43:13):
her at her strongest. You know, mm hmm. She's such
an act. She's basically an athlete's a dancer.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
And she's like passing the poppers around.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
You know, that was ridiculous. I was.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
I loved it. I loved every minute of that. Just
that one little club.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
Oh my goodness, is that that that that's going to be.
We're gonna have to add that to the flyers. She
wants to bring your own poppers.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
You know, some of us come come with them in hand,
you know, we we do. We we have them. We
have a couple of bottles, you know, on reserve.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
I like the way smell I don't from a distance,
from a distance like I like when a room has
that faint popper smell.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
She do we put it in the smoke machine.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
We'll send the We'll send the invites with it.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
Yeah, poppers and Petrouli the virtual invice.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Yeah, they'll be scratch and sniff, there'll.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
Be virtual poppers. That's funny, like use your own damn imagination.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
Well, I just wonder like as someone like Madonna who
started out when like albums were out sets, you know,
even before CDs, like the way people consume her music
in forty something years now has changed so much it
must be weird to be her. You know. It's like

(44:43):
she's one of the few that's really has been producing
music for that long on a regular basis, Like Shares
had a million decades of music, Dolly part and all
those kind of people, but it's not been consistent like Madonna.
Like Madonna, this is the longest break between albums she's
ever had, you know, true. So I wonder, like, is
she like this is so weird that the kids just

(45:03):
listened to music. They just pressed the button on their Spotify,
you know, like when in the past she had to
sell physical units of an album or of a CD
or a set, like like, you didn't get on a
chart unless you've physically sold records a record.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Yeah, well I think that what do you go? I mean,
radio play had a little bit to do with it
as well, you know, requesting and whatnot. I actually read
an article today kind of on topic with this. How
like CDs sales were counted with like the Nielsen ratings

(45:41):
only up until like nineteen ninety seven or something like that,
and then after that a lot of it wasn't counted
in any music club purchases. So like your BMG's your
Columbia house. And they never counted towards like the charts.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
That makes that makes sense a different record, Labe, because
they just have like a whole punch in it in it.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
No whole punch is for a promo, promo or a
discounted like it was like new old stock. You know,
a big box store had these records. Okay, we we
can't sell them. Somebody else is going to buy them
from from that store, so they would, you know, put

(46:25):
a slash in the barcode or put a whole punch.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
I remember the whole punch records because I think I
actually probably I don't know if I still have a
few of them, but I remember getting those and those
were those were promos.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
So I mean, you know they're they're still around, I mean,
and you could still get I know, there's certain like
if you buy a new CD that's like used, a
lot of them will have a slash in the in
the case or something like that, or a notch.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
So you are that you are the you're the physical
medium master over theord.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Fine, but whatever I mean. But we live in a
society now, in a world now where people like music
consumers are very impatient, okay, and.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
I'm looking first their impatience or like the availability.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
You know, well, the impatience is probably a a you know,
a result of the availability, because now it's like, Okay,
I have ten bucks and I pay it a month
and I have a music rental basically, but a lot
of people don't listen to full records anymore.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
Like could you imagine like what we like, what we
would have to do, because I know, like especially with
Madonna releases, like sometimes I would get them early, you know,
from special stores that would allow me to purchase early.
But otherwise, like but just like what you're saying, like
everything being readily available, you know, like kids now, like
could you imagine because now they can just click and
buy it and you know, download it and it's right there,

(48:03):
or you know, watch it on YouTube or whatever, like
any kind of streaming platform. But before it's like okay,
you have to get up, you have to get just
you have to go out and you have to sometimes
even wait online, you know, for your tape, for your CD,
for your record, like whatever you know you were buying
at the time. So like so like when you say,
like you know, people are just like so impatient. It's

(48:23):
just kind of funny to hear that because it's true,
but it's like like what we had to go through,
and like, could you imagine, you know.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
If you wanted that midnight release, you had to get
up out of bed and go. And nowadays feels like
another world. And nowadays people don't even listen to a
full song on Spotify.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
I think it's The music album is the first one
that I waited until midnight.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Oh my goodness, do you know? The music album was
the first album that I illegally downloaded. But you know
what though, okay, in my defense, okay, this was what
two thousand. It was on Napster and the first it
was two songs. It was music and Paradise. Not for me,

(49:08):
but it was only paradise, so that's what the track
title was, Paradise. And I was like, what what's this?
And I just downloaded it. So at the time I
didn't know that it was like a leak. So I
was like, oh, what is this. I've never heard this before.
And then I remember reading on whatever forum at the time,

(49:32):
Oh yeah, this these are new songs that that you know,
accidentally got released.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
It was on the Wasted album that's right.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Music, well, Paradise was, but not not music.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
Yeah yeah, the original music like demo. I think I
still have it on my hard drive. It was like lower,
lower quality, but it was like the demo.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
No, this definitely definitely wasn't the demo it was. It
was the album version.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
Okay, that's it.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
That's why for American Life, she purposely released it with
what the fuck do you think You're doing?

Speaker 3 (50:07):
I love that?

Speaker 2 (50:08):
So because the album leaked way early.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
Because of that, somebody hacked into her and put the
whole album up online.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Yeah yeah, I remember that, but.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
That was that was very clever of her, because I
still have that.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
I played once in a while, worship. We love that.
What the fuck that? What the fuck? What the fuck
do you think you're doing?

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Because I would use napster for extended like I was
really big, Oh this is the twelve inch version or
this is the dance remix like stuff that I didn't
necessarily have or at least have on CD. I only
had it on you know, twelve inch record and live bootlegs.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
Because maybe like ninety two bit rate back then.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Oh yeah it was. And it took me two hours
to download over my dial up internet connection. Michelle might
remember this because I know if I've talked about it
with you, do you remember music like trading like bootleg tapes,
Like people go, yeah, I have I have the blah
blah blah recording. You didn't do that.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
I didn't really do that, Like I don't. I don't
know why, Like it just wasn't something that like I
got into. I mean, like if people would give me music,
of course I'm going to take. You know, I'm going
to take music.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Well, I mean like I mean like live recordings, like oh,
I have a live recording from you know, the blah
blah blah radio broadcast from you know.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
I never yeah, I never really got into like I
never got into that. Like ever. It's weird, I know,
because like I'm a huge fan and I love collecting everything,
But no, I never I never really got into that.
Like I know, like some of the people that I
hung out with, like in the beginning, like when I
started kind of like like hanging out with like Madonna fans,
sort of like I got into like that mode a
little bit like where I'm like, oh, like maybe I
should go hang out with other Madonna fans, you know,

(51:49):
like and you know, we we I'm trying to think
like we traded music, but we traded like photos and
like you know, like CDs and you know, I think
like remixes and stuff like that or VHR know, like
if we had like the HS tapes and stuff like,
like they wanted to like record like stuff. But I
don't think we ever got like like into.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
That, Okay, right, I was just curious, I know I was.
I was like, yeah, I want I want to collect
every single audio, you know, recording of the Blonde Ambition
tour that I can.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
Like, I'm actually surprised, like I never really got into that.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
I would have thought I would have thought you were
one of those people.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
I feel like I'm more also like I'm more like
visual too with her stuff, to be honest, Like to
be honest, like when it comes to like the stuff
that I collect. So I mean, I guess, I mean
that could be part of it. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
But we also have that really amazing jacket from Angel
for your birthday last year.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
Right, Oh my goodness, the H and M. She did
the H and M. I think it was for Confessions
that M by Madonna things. Yeah, and she had that
whole line of stuff, and I know, like we bought
like probably pretty much like like most of the collection whatever,
like we could get our hands on. And he went
to the opening because there was there was like big
like party or whatever, and like they were doing giveaways

(53:02):
for the opening and he was like the first or
second like personal online and they were handed I don't
know if they were handed the gifts or some kind
of rapp I can't remember, but he won that for
like showing up as like one of the first like
few people online. It was an autograph like Trench by
Madonna and it's the most beautiful thing ever and her
signature looks beautiful inside like with all the little m's

(53:24):
because the lining was just like little ms. And like
every time, like I would go to his house and
like pull the jacket out, pull the jacket. I'm like
I want this jacket. So he would tell me like
every time, like you can have this. I'm gonna put
this in my will for you, and I'm like I
don't want it, you know, like because that would be
a terrible time to have that. Hello, Like I like
associate this like most magical beautiful jacket with like oh

(53:47):
my best friend posted away so oh my godsh jacket,
Like how old does that sound? So last year for
my fiftieth birthday, he surprised me and he gave me
that jacket.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
My breath then, I love it.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
It's so sweet, Like I was screaming.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
I started crying, like I was like I can't believe this,
you know, And he's like, well, what am I gonna do?
Because basically it was just like hanging in his closet
and you know, in a garment bag. So I mean
that's what it's doing right now for me too. But
he's like, you know, you should wear it too, and
like this is like it's it's a little tiny or
so one of my goals is to fit into it.
But I think I feel like I'm just gonna wind

(54:25):
up putting it like in a display case or something
with like it out because it's like I feel like
it's too beautiful to wear too, you know, I have
I have the jacket, like I have the jacket, like
to wear there's like some little spot I have to
get it clean, like if I actually want to wear
it again, because it's a cream colored jacket and I
don't do well with light colors because like I'm a
klutz and I'm you know, like a messy sometimes.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
I always wanted the glasses, the sunglasses.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
I have both of the glasses. That's why I have
the white ones and the black ones. Love it with
the little with the little m cleaner. But I think
I have like mostly like all of the from from
that collection. There were probably like two or three that
I don't have anymore or that I couldn't that I
couldn't get, but I think I have most of them,
and I have like the promo ad so and I

(55:11):
think that's why I kind of like didn't want to
give it away, because we're like, you know, because if
there's sometimes like where I'm like, oh, I could sell this,
like if I have like duplicates of things or whatever
too because of space issues, because I do have I
actually do have like a lot of stuff. And then
I'm like like then I'm like no, I'm like because
this is kind of like a collection, you know, like
the dress with the jacket and you know that there's

(55:31):
like a big like handbag or whatever that goes with
it too, and the sunglasses, and I'm like, you know,
like maybe one day I want to dress up and
wear this, but that jacket will probably go into a
display case. You Oh my god, could you imagine, like
I have room for a mannequin. I have. I barely
have room for myself sometimes, but get.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
A mannequin that's Madonna sized, like my size Madonna.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
You know, probably would only be like an intitude taller
than Mayso, oh my god, I'm suorter. I'm probably like everybody. Okay,
So this this is another thing, Like there was something
that came out and I don't know, like it was
like I forgot what it is. It's one of the
accounts that I follow on Instagram, you know, because I

(56:16):
follow a lot of like those like accounts on Instagram
and stuff, and they pull out things from like years ago,
like they'll post some stuff, and there was some kind
of like I don't know if it was like a headshot,
you know, where they put like her name and her
height and her weight and like eye color all of
that stuff, because that's how they used to do it
back in the day, right, Like they would just put
it on a headshot and like put all of your information.

(56:39):
So one of the one of the things that somebody posted,
I think it was like last week, was like she's
five four and a half, and I'm like where you know,
like like she was lying about her, Like was she
lying about her way back then? Or did she shrink?
Because like I'm five, like I barely make the five
foot like mark or whatever, and I would say she's
probably like maybe five read the most, like like like

(57:02):
literally standing next to her, so she could she could
have shrunk, So that is a possibility. But she's always
been tiny, like you know, which was very surprising because
like when she first came out, you know, like you
look at this woman and like you just think like
she's like larger than life. So like then when you
actually get to see like how like tiny she is,

(57:24):
it's just like, oh my goodness, like you really like
cannot believe like her, you know, like she's so tiny, Like.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Well she she knows her proportions too, like you know,
especially when like you know, pairing shoes and heels and
and whatnot, so that kind.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
Of are you talking about her big feet? You're talking
about her big feet? I think she does. I mean,
like I've never sat there because I don't really like feet.
I think feet are like the most whatever, like I have,
Like feet do not appeel to me, like I don't
even look like looking at my own feet and anytime,

(58:01):
like I've seen stuff like we're like her feet were
like prominent or like you know, like the size of
the shoe like compared to like an outfit or whatever.
Like you see, like she's like this little tiny thing
and her feet just look big to me. And I
don't know, like if like she's got like a bigger
size foot, like you know, for her height or whatever.
I mean, I don't know. We have to pull up
pictures and take a look at this.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
We're definitely gonna have to have you on again, Michelle,
because this is we're already at like seven hour episode
already and we.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
Didn't even finish like a virgin, so, oh my goodness,
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
No, no, sorry conversation. So we're gonna have to we
have as a guest again, but we don't want to.
We don't want to kill our listeners with you know,
because we talked for about an hour already and we're
almost out an hour just we're talking to you.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
So so okay, here really quick, then well we'll we'll
we'll blow through it. Michelle. What's your favorite album? What's
your favorite song from like a.

Speaker 3 (58:59):
Virgin either stay or pretender or brush you up? I
don't know perfect.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
Those are the last two songs that we had to do.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
Oh okay, no, because I'm not used to doing stuff
like this, Like I'm not used to doing like podcasts
or anything or whatever, and like people have asked me
to come on, and I'm like no, because I get
very nervous, Like people don't know that about me. I
get very nervous. I get very shy, and I don't
like to hear my you know, like my voice like
sometimes or whatever. And like that's why I was just
saying before you see how like paranoid I got. I'm

(59:31):
like I heard silence, and I'm like, did I say
something stupid? Like what was my first thought? No?

Speaker 2 (59:37):
Believe me. We talk about everything and nothing sometimes.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
So well, she has an average ehoe size. From what
I'm seeing, it looks like a size eight. But I
guess because of the fact that like you know, like
a lot of times, like shorter women or tinier women,
like they have like you know, more like feteit like
feet or whatever, So like a size eight on her,
I guess maybe that's why it looks bigger than like
you would think looking now, what if you what is

(01:00:03):
your favorite song from from Like a Virgin?

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Yeah, that's that's I'm going to say Angel. I'm gonna
say Angel, but maybe dress you up? Maybe both? Okay,
but no, But then I also loved I love Stay
as well. Ask me tomorrow will be something entirely different
the original from I was.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
Just gonna say that. They like they released it what
like a few years ago, and like they were using
in fashion shows and stuff, and I was like, oh
my god, this is amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
In the late there's a pre Madonna.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
I feel like I do have that somewhere, but like
I guess I just didn't connect it, you know because
like once you start hearing it out there in public.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Right, I'm sure it probably you know, I had a
resurgeon somebody was like, oh wow, look at this, you know, because.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
I remember going around a lot a few years ago.
I was like, okay, and Chauncey, what's yours.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
I'm going to go shooby do, just because I always like
the you know, my favorite is always like the odd
ball song, Like I mean, I think I was. I
was a little negative about Like a Virgin earlier, Like
I feel like it was the album that had like
a lot of the songs were not written by her,
whereas the first album was all like from her soul.
Then she was just kind of manded songs for like

(01:01:20):
a virgin. So I feel like shoeby Do was definitely
like I could picture her sitting there writing that song,
like like the poetry and and all that, so like
it's the it's the most Madonna song on that album.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
I think, Mmmm, Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
You're such a romantic.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
Yeah you know that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
All right, So we gotta we gotta wrap things up
because I gotta goldfish.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
You got to feed the goldfish, and I have to
organize my brick collection. So okay, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Like our episodes keep getting longer and longer, and we
want we don't want to kill our fans.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
So yeah, well maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
But we'll definitely have you on again because we could
talk about a million things we could we could have.
We could have you as a guest every episode for
a little like let's have Michelle pop in for a
minute and tell us about you know, blah blah blah.
You could be like, OK, and then you can just
kick me off exactly, I'm hoping. Yeah, So, so what

(01:02:16):
do you think we should end the show with should
we do it like a Virgin remix? A remix from
like a Virgin?

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Or should we do should we close it with should
we do? Or Stay?

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Stay?

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
I like Stay.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
I think we're going to close it today. That's a
great idea.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
Because it's the closing of the album. Yeah, it's the
last song on that on the album.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
Did not know that? While maybe that was her way
of saying like, don't don't forget me, you know, like.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
When you walk out that we were going in the
same direction that we were.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Were where we get each other. We definitely do. But well,
on that note.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Make sure everyone streams like a Virgin for the because
it's forty years old old. That's right. Maybe things that
are forty years old like to get streamed.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
So maybe, well we'll finally get a fortieth anniversary reissue
or maybe you know another you know remaster, you know,
streamable track something.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
Something I really wish you would get, like modern remixers
to do a full remix album of all her hits,
but like modernized versions. That would be about that. Already
we talked about the last episode. Yeah, it was it
in person. I would love to hear like like a
virgin done through like Purple Disco machines ideas or like

(01:03:36):
Angel reinvented. Like I like, I don't know, not David Guena,
but somebody who's popular right now.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
I don't know who's popular, right man?

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
I know scrillic, Yeah, just just something like yeah, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
But yeah, So Michelle, where can we find you on
the internet?

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
Which handles Instagram Michelle Ruise NYC. And it's Michelle with
one out aloe.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
You also have a collector's page two right, Uh, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
It's Brooklyn Kittikat And unfortunately I haven't really been like
very active with updating that page, and that's something I
should start doing. So follow me there you'll see. Yeah,
if you follow me there, you'll see some of the
stuff that I collect or. Like most of this stuff
is like more recent stuff that I've been buying, but
I need to dig into the storage boxes and like
photograph stuff, and that goes hand in hand. When I

(01:04:29):
was telling you about earlier, like some of the stuff
that I have doubles of, you know, like I was
thinking about like putting up for sale. But then like
even though I have doubles, sometimes it's like still so
hard to get rid of.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
Well, I'm excited to go on and see your collection.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Brooklyn kit Cut.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
It's b K L Y and K I T I
ka T. Yeah, it's spelled all off. But remember this
is like when we first got computers. It was like
my first AOL like name and whatever, and that's stuck
with me for all these years.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
I just don't make to make sure people found you,
because that's a that's a odds doing so. And follow
Stevie at stevie vox. That's s T E v I
e vo X. Follow Madonna worship on Instagram that's self
explanatory and dj D And our next party is three
twenty two. It's a secret. Locations are gonna go and

(01:05:24):
sale pretty soon, but save the date. It's gonna be
a nine o'clock start for all your old people out there,
and and you'll get a you'll get the address and
all that, and it's gonna be really fun and sexy
and sensual and bedtime story ish.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
I'm excited.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
I can't wait to figure out what to wear, what
not to wear?

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
I mean, are you gonna bring a Teddy Bear?

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
I probably should.

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
Maybe we should bring the purple stuff Unicorn and the
purple stuff, the animal that I have, not animal, but
the little doll that I have like that. Madonna has
that little purple thing. We should bring a bunch of
stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
Maybe all I'm bringing Teddy Bear too.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
I'll go buy one. All right, all right, we're going
to close the show with Stay right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
Stay, I want thank you for coming.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
On, Michelle. Thank you for coming on, Michelle, and.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Guys, you're lovely, We love you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
Yeah, You're an integral part of the Manna Worship universe.
So and we'll see on the flip side or as
the kids say, something people have ever said. If anyone's
ever said that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
I don't know. Maybe we just said it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
So you know, in reality it's a thing.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
Now it's a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
Yeah, where the kids like that? Back to the future
kind of thing, right, like the fifties things on the
flip side, homeslice.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
Home Slice.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
Yes, I know, I'm I love home Slice. We've we've
been talking for seventeen hours, so.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
All right, well, enjoying, good night, Good night listening.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
Nat, Thanks for listening, and make sure you subscribe and
tell your friends did Madonna Worship is a podcast? Thank you?

Speaker 4 (01:07:08):
Rachel, Thank you, thank you, goodbye bye boy.

Speaker 5 (01:07:31):
You you made my life my sad. You're always on
my mind. You you made my own my side. You
love is out too far sometimes up be you you
get away. I changed my.

Speaker 7 (01:07:53):
Mind, mad eyes and we those styles come chatty up.

Speaker 6 (01:07:59):
You know, oh want you stay, stay down, stay.

Speaker 10 (01:08:08):
Stand down, stand standing down. You got to stand standy time.

Speaker 7 (01:08:19):
You supping, molassing step show you always love them.

Speaker 5 (01:08:24):
My word.

Speaker 6 (01:08:27):
You gay a lasson the second shoe and the already
to say.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
You know this.

Speaker 5 (01:08:38):
To be the mot?

Speaker 6 (01:08:42):
I mean you want to namebody you go and bet
a big bay instead, I mean you want to.

Speaker 10 (01:08:53):
Stay down, stand down. You're gonna stay, stay down, stay,
stay stay.

Speaker 5 (01:09:08):
When you walk down, I knew you mean back. Molts me.
The basket Tuna is so far too far.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
Don't be saying.

Speaker 9 (01:09:31):
It's gonna be all right, because I know that you
can make you love me, love me me, love me
when you walk down.

Speaker 5 (01:09:47):
I knew you need that. Bob lets me.

Speaker 4 (01:09:52):
The basket.

Speaker 5 (01:09:55):
Tuna is a party. Far your step.

Speaker 6 (01:10:04):
Step steady step it, steady job.

Speaker 5 (01:10:12):
Stay step.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
It.

Speaker 10 (01:10:16):
Let me be still still still stop yeah stool stop
school still yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:10:24):
A st steps yeah the st st still.

Speaker 8 (01:10:31):
At st step except stand still stays step stratas give you.

Speaker 5 (01:10:52):
Got a start, You know you've gotta stand. Bab bunty suting,
bouting

Speaker 9 (01:11:07):
Bunty buping sting boso