August 2, 2025 • 59 mins
Stevie and Chauncey are so burning up for The 17th Annual Madonna Worship Night on Friday, August 15th at 3 Dollar Bill in Brooklyn that they decided to invite one of this year's featured performers, Vegas Valentine, on the podcast for a chat about all things Madonna and a little tease of what they'll be performing that night. They discuss their earliest memories of Madonna and what album or incarnation they were introduced to The Queen of Pop to. We're very excited for the upcoming live podcast recording of All I Wanna Do Is Talk About Madonna at Iron Feather on 8/14 and of course Madonna Worship Night on the eve of her 67th birthday. Attendees will get a chance to win a copy of The Madonna Songbook, other memorabilia goodies and a chance to be a guest on this very podcast! Don't forget to like and subscribe and follow us on Instagram @djchaunceyd @stevievox and @madonnaworship
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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Hey, Stevie Chauncey, how are you pretty good?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
We're We're it's it's it's summertime in New York City.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
It's hot.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
It's been terrible it is.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
We are in the middle of this friggin heat wave.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
And what was you said today? I can feel the
cool air on my sweaty skin.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Right, yes, last week. Last last Wednesday, I was at MSG,
I was at Madison Square Garden. I went to I
went to Kesha's tour. I told you that, right, I
went to see I bought tickets for Kesha's tour. I
wasn't there for Kesha.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
You're the Boys.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I was there for the Benga Boys, which was a
dream come true for me and the Scissor Sisters. Funny
and as I'm sitting there, I was so cold in there.
I don't think I've ever been there and been cold ever.
And it reminded me of when we were in Miami.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah, when we saw her in Miami. She was like,
that's what she got, bitch.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
She stopped that show. She's like, I could feel the
cold air on my sweaty skin, and like it was silent.
Everybody was so quiet, like nobody's cheered nobody clapped. We
were silent.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I'm just amazed that she was able to feel it,
like all the way down there, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I mean when you're up there and you're sweating your
ass off, it's you're probably more susceptible to susceptible, Is that,
like you're able to feel it.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
You just got a package in the mail though, right.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
I did well speaking of heat wave. Yes, Miss Veronica
Electronic showed up today courtesy of FedEx.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Oh wow, and I'm.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Very my air. I live in I live in the
middle of nowhere. I live in you know, it's it's
a third world country up here, So I don't have
mail delivery to my house. Does that make sense to
you know? Like no, Like when I tell people that,
they're like, what, so the post office, while it's a
big post office and it services a large area up here,
(02:27):
there's no there's no mail delivery like local mail delivery,
like you get a free PO box. So when something
comes FedEx, if they don't send it FedEx ground or
ups ground and it goes through smart post or short
post or whatever, it will go to the post office.
So I was like paranoid, it's gonna go to the
post office. They don't have the post office box on there.
They're going to return it because there's schmucks at the
(02:48):
post office, and I don't care if they're listening to
this long story short. It was shipped FedEx ground delivered
right to my door, and I sat here all day refreshing.
I had notification on. I didn't want it sitting out
in the sun, you know, in the event that it
got delivered to the house, because you know, vinyl records
and heat, you know, ninety degree heat.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Don't it's a rubber.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
It's it's it's gonna get warped.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
But you don't be silly put a kind.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Of put a rubber on your really ew grouse grouse.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
You know, you really never get to know a guy
until you until you ask him to wear a rabba ew.
The diehards will know where that's from. Yeah. I got
really excited last Thursday and my gig at like twelve
oh nine. I checked my iTunes and all the tracks
had loaded. I was like, oh, they're all year.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
It's a good arrangement. I like the edits, I like
it sounds rabulous.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I really like the remix to Nothing really matters. I
I vaguely remember dancing to that, but I don't remember
ever hearing that commercially, Like it's definitely an edit that
that was maybe like one of the twelve on the
on the Maxist single back in the day. Well, I
think some really it's really sexy and really filthy.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
I think some of these some of them were like
kind of like re edits of the edits to like
that to make it a little bit more special to
this release.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah, and I always I've always loved Gonn. That's always
been one of my that was definitely like a napster
grab back in the day. M m oh, of course,
gone gone gone. And there was another Revenge. Was it
Revenge same time? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah, Revenge was very like a flower.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Like a flower came out, I remember that. But the
funny thing about it Revenge is for the next like
four albums that she was coming out with, Revenge made
it onto the radio as like this is the new
Madonna's single and like Mexico or something, right it was,
and everybody be like, oh, did you hear the Madonna's
song Revenge? I Go, I Go. People say that's Madonna's
new song since nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
So I haven't. I haven't opened her yet. Yeah, you
would think that I would have rushed to open it.
I didn't. I I'm looking at her currently. She's in
my my recent purchased you know rack. I have a
little little rack that I have on my on my
shelf that holds all the recent purchases before I you know,
open and listen and organize and resleeve, et cetera. She's beautiful.
(05:17):
It's beautiful, like just beautiful packaging. You know. I know
some people were a little like, oh, why did they
pick the picture? I think it fits it, It fits
the record, it fits everything.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
There is not one bad picture from that era that
she took, like Romo wise, everything was gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
So I'm I'm happy with I'm very happy with them.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
How do you feel? And you know, people can leave
a comment on our you know, obviously on Instagram where
Madonna worship on Instagram Stevie Box and DJ Chauncey D.
But you can leave a comment when we post about
the episode you feel about these AI videos of her,
like moving around in that outfit, they're freaking out?
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Do they freak out? I don't. I don't mind it,
but I could see how how it could be like
weird to people, and but I feel like that's going
to be like the thing, like do you.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Think her next music video will just be like completely
ai like she's not so many No.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
I don't think so. I think she's too much of
a control freak. I think that she'll I almost feel like,
being her own video.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
No one's done that yet. It would be kind of
about guard if she would do that. She's been filtering
her face.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
We don't we all. I mean, for Christ's sake, cause
I'm Internet hot too. But I feel like that's going
to be a big thing, like you know, with like
Abba Abba did, like the their abatars, you know they're
their their you know, residency Gars abatars.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yes, that's funny.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I think that.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
We're going to see maybe the most clever thing ever done.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Has done a lot of clever things. I think this
is like paving the way for the future. I think
we're going to see a lot of different artists of
of you know, the years gone.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
They did it with Whitney, did they or did they
cancel that they may have?
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I know they did it with Tupac for Coachella or something.
I think that we're going to see like you know,
a big artist like Michael Jackson show or you know
maybe like an Elvis show or the Beatles or something
like that that's going to draw people in. I think
that's going to be the thing. So that's you know,
I mean I was thinking about this the other day.
(07:26):
How amazing would it be if we if they did
like the Blonde Ambition Tour, you know, ai Blonde Ambition
Tour at the Madonna Stadium.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
But what what do you mean, like someone would be
it would be fake. Everything would be fake.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Everything would be fake and projected, but looks so real
like you're actually there with like a live Band's wild.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah, because the crazy thing about some of these videos now,
like usually you could see like an eye like twitch
or whatever. These look like they're like video of her
photos shoot like she's done before, you know, like they're
so well done.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Well, I don't think this is a twenty dollars a
month membership to chat GPT. I think this is like
serious serious.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
She's not producing them, right, other people are right.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I think other people are.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
But there's also a video of her like walking down
the street in her outfit that she'd like her recent
recording sessions with Stuart and it looks literally like it's
somebody filmed her walking down the street. And I think
the thing that freaks me out so much about it
is that it's so real looking well.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
You know, you know they're doing the Wizard of Oz
at the Sphere in Vegas.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
That would be something to witness.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
That is mostly I know it's not Madonna related, but
they they did AI for the entire movie. I mean,
like just expanded sets and characters walking. You know, you
don't see them walk in the movie. You just see
them walk onto the movie like you see them doing
(08:53):
you know, something else over to your right, you know,
where there was no camera. But now since the Sphere
is so big, they've you know, they use Google or
something google AI to make it ridiculous. It's crazy. I
really want to go see.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
It, yeah, I mean, but it's just it's just wild
how it catapulted it so fast to becoming so so
good and the like, the only thing it really makes
me worry about is like you can make a video
that looks real of somebody doing something bad and then
try to use that as evidence when it's not true,
you know, like you know, there's.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Well yeah, I mean we've all we've all seen it online,
you know, whether it's presidential or political or whatever. I mean,
it happens.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, it just makes me worry because, like, how can
we convince or like, you know, how could we punish
someone for doing something if we don't know whether they
really did it or not.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
You know, only time will tell.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but I'm excited that that we're working on.
We might be getting some promo items for Madonna Worship
from Veronica Electronica. I've been nagging my connection. But also
here's some cool things we're doing. A raffle at Madonna.
Madonnal Worship is happening at three Dollars Bill, like on
the fifteenth, the night before her birthday, August fifteenth. If
you go to my link tree and my bio you
(10:07):
can get tickets or just go to the three dollars
Bill website. Every ticket purchase you get a raffle ticket.
But we're also going to be selling raffle tickets at
the event. You can win. We have two copies of
the Madonna Songbook, which is a huge, heavy book of
all of her songs for that she's ever released, with
different fans giving their like a little paragraph about them.
Both me and Michelle both have an entry. And then
(10:29):
we're also giving away like a package of promo items
like like some magazines and some funky, funky Madonna memorabilia.
But then also one of the prizes from the Wrathful,
which we'll be raising money for trans Lifeline. By the way,
you will be a guest on our podcast. That's a
fun unique prize.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I think that I love having guests on the podcast,
so it will be, it will be. It will be
really fun, Wad.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
It'll be fun to have someone that we don't necessarily choose,
you know, like we'll have to, like it's fate, like
find out about them and learn a little bit about them.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
We're leaving it up to the universe to decide.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah, I mean it's gonna be cool because you know,
we always tried to do something philanthropical for from Madonna worship,
you know, in our mother's name. You know she uh,
she's always doing something for somebody.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
So and it's a great organization.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Have you did you ever come to a Madonna worship
at Stonewall? Yeah? Because when did I stop doing them? There?
Not that long ago?
Speaker 1 (11:22):
The last the last Stonewall one, three, three or four
years ago.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
It wasn't that long ago.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Coma was there?
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah, okay, that's.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Right, Coma Koma. Wait, did the Who's That Girl?
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, because we.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Were we went to rock bar afterwards.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Got it, that's right. I remember because we used to
do a two hour concert beforehand. It was called the
Reinvention Benefits Show, and that's you know. Once I started
doing it at Stonewall and we raised money and we
donated to a different charity every year, and then from
ten o'clock on, which is Madonna, Madonna, Dona Madonna, Donna Madonna.
So yeah, so like once we started doing it at
three dollars bill. Last year we sold candles, Red Eye,
(11:56):
we sold candles. Then the candles were missing and the candles
came back. Think I still have a few canibals, but
canals we're doing.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
You could raffle one off.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah, but if you haven't, just look at the Madonna songbook.
It's on Amazon. It's not a cheap book, and it's
really heavy the shipping. The shipping is more than the
books actually looks.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
I haven't felt one in real life in person, but
I've seen photos and it's definitely a pretty hefty book.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yeah, so that's a very cool prize. The guys from
the guys that put the book together reached out and
we made a connection, and uh so that's gonna be
a cool prize. But if you want to follow on
Instagram Madonna's songbook, you learn a little bit about about
the book. I believe Michelle wrote about Rescue Me and
I wrote about Vote. So yeah, it's a fun Uh.
It was fun to be a part of and to
(12:48):
be asked to be part of that. The cool thing
is we have a very special guests day.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
I love guests.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah. They are one of the performers at this year's
Madonna Worship. They also performed twice last year. They are
the one and only Vegas Valentine, a fellow nightlife character
that I've been friends with for many years now. I
think we started working together. Our first time that we
did like any kind of collaboration was during the pandemic.
I was doing my freak Out show online, contributed a
(13:16):
music video or something. But should we should we? Should
we get him on, Stevie.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Let's get him go? Get him?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Well? Hello, Hello, we have our very special guest tonight,
the one and only Vegas. Valentine, Hi, Vegas, Hi, how
are you pretty good? Stevie? You know you know Vegas, right, Stevie.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
We I don't think that we've ever officially met, but.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
I can't place it. But I believe you, Okay, I
believe you if you say that we have not met,
But I'd also believe you if you said.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I think we've been in the same room maybe.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Okay, okay, certain it was the.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Bathroom in Bloomingdale's.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Vegas late night performance last year at Worshiped.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
So yes, yeah, well, yes, no, no, no, I was.
I was there for that.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
I do remember, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
And Vegas does make a lot of appearances at Anthony
Fef's show at Stonewall on the Monday before freak Out,
and he always has like a full, like fierce video
projections installation behind him. It does like costumes very you're
heavy into like what do we call it? Costplay? Right?
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Yeah? I don't. I don't like to do things half assed,
and I sort of build traps for myself a lot
where I say, oh, I'm going to do this thing,
and then I'm like, well I said I'm gonna do
the thing. I guess I gotta do the thing, I know.
But yeah, I mean I'm a I'm a cosplayers, twitch
streamer and and musician. Uh you know, I have a
(14:42):
I have an album and several singles out on everywhere
that you find your fine music.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
We love love.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
I went through your Instagram earlier actually, and I was like, oh,
look at this, look at it, like very not just
a costplayer. You're a very good cost player.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Thank you. I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Very good.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
There are a lot of them out there that are not.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Some closet cosplayers.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Yeah, I've definitely like it has definitely like given me
a lot of skills that I never thought, Like if
you asked me what a heat wand was a year ago,
I wouldn't have been able to tell you. But now
I know how to use it and how to use
it safely, and you know, uh, I think there is
actually you'd have to ask. I mean if people there
(15:30):
must be people that like being sort of burned, you know,
you know.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
But it sounds like it's like is it for clothing?
Speaker 4 (15:37):
No, Well, it's it's to cut like foam, like thick foam,
and so it's like a it's like a knife, but
it gently sort of butters like butter. Knifs like really thick,
like a.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Hot knife in a in an ice cream cake kind
of thing.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Yeah, yeah, cuts like butter.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Yeah, cuts like butter.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Very sexual though it could be could I mean, I
don't know if I'm just weird, but I.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Think I think you could make anything sexual if you
wanted to.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
You wanted to get. Everything's that deal to if you're
brave enough. For me, I saw that once on somebody
had done like a cross stitch version of that that
that's the deal do comment, and I just lost it.
I was like, oh my god, no, not only is
it a sick, twisted thing to say, but somebody took
their time and made it into like a cross stitch
laugh love, Like, everything's that dial do if you're brave enough, right,
(16:31):
put that on?
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Put that on the wall for when you're family over.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Except yeah, yeah, I can hear that in Julia Child's voice. Now,
I was.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Trying to remember many times have you performed at worship?
Is it this will be the third.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Time that this is the I think it's actually only
the second.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah, I mean I'm talking about it for a while, but.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Yeah, we've we've been talking about it for a while.
I did two performances at the last one, so maybe
that's that's right.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
That's right. Yeah. And also Vegas and I and a
friend of his are cooking up something special for in
a couple of months that we don't have many details about.
But it's very uh Veronica electronica adjacent. Yes, but that's
that's exciting.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
I'm so excited for that will be holographic.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
What I'm sure or is Vegas is going to do
kind of a deep cut, not that old of a
deep cut, but from a relatively recent album. So I'm
excited for that.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
You really, I gotta give you your props because you
I it's like you sent me a song that fits
in my voice so well. It's like it's like you
knew my voice by by sending that to me, And
that's that's a huge compliment to receive as a musician.
It's like somebody like knows you well enough to be like,
this is gonna be good for you, and it was.
(17:50):
It would have been a song I would have passed
up otherwise probably.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah, No, I definitely. I. I don't know if you've
I do Chauncey's choice from my freakut around my birthday,
and I give all the performers, I asked them to
do a song. They could do more, they could do
their own songs afterwards, but just one of the songs
has to be my suggestion. And all of the performers
this past March, we're like, like, I'm I added that
(18:14):
song to my repertoire. Now you picked the perfect song.
You picked a perfect song. I was like. I was like,
I just I've been paying attention to your voices, and
I know what you can do.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
And I yeah, you have a very good ears.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
A very finality, you know, every sing influencing the children,
you know, yeah, educating them.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah, music, I have no training, you know, but I
I've always been a music lover. I grew up with
like everyone in my family had different taste in music.
So like, growing up, I heard it all.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
So I'm the same. I'm the same way my all
my family has different tastes in music.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Yeah. Like, so I would wake up in the morning,
my mom would be playing like du wop. My father
loved all the Italian you know, Angelbert, Humper, Drink and
Mario Cuomo. I'd just say Mario Cuomo, Perry.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Mario Perry croomo very cuomo.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
That was a weird Bardian slip. And then my brother,
my older brother had all like like the cure, like
all the good ship, you know. So but yeah, I'm
very excited for what you're gonna do me too. The
cast is very uh, you know, there's some there's some
regulars there, but there's a few people who haven't done anything.
Like Justice is doing a song that I he told
(19:19):
me he's done before. It's kind of like a weird
twist for him to do this song. But also, are
you gonna be at the like before our our show,
Jace Vegas has a release party for his his pop
star music video, and there's a bunch of performers that
will be at that. So it's gonna be a full
house as soon as we walk in because their their
crowd will be there. So I'm excited for that. It's
(19:40):
gonna be like the two parties are gonna kind of join.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Oh that's great. I'll have to show up early then
for that because I love I love the direction he's
he's taking and getting.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
A little edgy or and a little rougher.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Yeah yeah, yeah. Also just he also just seems like
so happy, right now I love to see that.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Yeah, he's he's, he's, he's a hard part. What's the
song that I just recently discovered by you? What's it
called again with the with the the game sounds in it?
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Boss Battle?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Maybe boss Battle?
Speaker 1 (20:08):
You?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Yeah, you gotta check it out, Biggas Valentine. Boss Battle.
It's really really really good.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Thank you. That was my like love letter to gaming.
I mean, me and my my friend Mick Twizz have
been wanting to work together for a long time, and
I we I just came over to his place in
New Jersey and we ended up like playing a lot
of like pinball and and and he's got a lot
of like those like arcade games in his basement and
(20:36):
and we just started talking about our favorite games. And
then and then and I was like, well, why don't
we why don't we write a song like about that?
And so I just like played a couple of chords
on you know, on the keys, and I was like,
let's work with this. And he's like, oh, I got
an idea for a beat, and so he threw the
beat down and then we just like it just became
this sort of puzzle almost it became a game in
(20:59):
and of itself, and so it really has that life.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah, definitely check it out. See if you're gonna love it.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
I'm gonna, I definitely am after after we're done recording.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna hop on the on
the inter interwebs.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yeah, interwebs. See, I'm the gaming and all the like,
you know, like anime and all that. It was a
little after my generation, so I'm always I'm fascinated by it,
But I never that wasn't something that when I was
younger was a thing, you.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
Know, right, it was at mainstream for a while, and
and and I think that, you know, having good people
around you is so good as a musician, having honest
people around you, because I for a long time I
was like asking myself the question, like, what's my audience?
What's my audience? And I think a lot of musicians
do that, and a lot of musicians. Musicians make the
(21:46):
mistake of thinking that their audience is their friends, and
it's not the same thing at all. And a lot
of musicians tear their hair out trying to sell things
to their friends because their friends are not their audience.
Their friends don't listen to the same kind of music
that they make, and so I was asking myself like
that question, and my best friend of you know, twelve
(22:06):
thirteen years she said to me, She's like, I think
it's the anime kids. And so I've started to lean
into that more. I've started to like just sort of
make myself available in anime and gamer circles and the
cosplay sort of links up with that, and so it's
all part of the same thing, really.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
And they're they're a fierce fan group. They really are.
I mean they are. I haven't been I haven't been
to like an anime convention in many, many, many years,
but I mean they're they're they're pretty rabid. Yeah, they
I mean equivalent to like Madonna fandom.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Yeah, well, a lot of them are probably neurodivergent, so
that you know, like there's a lot of pattern recognition,
and you know.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
I've seen people drop serious money on figures and proplicas
and yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
It's I like the term neurospicy.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Yeah, yes, definitely neurospicy for sure. But it's such a
it's such a breath of fresh air when you're amongst
those kinds of people for an extended period of time.
I mean, like, you know, it's it's so because a
lot of them are so just honest and they don't
they don't have like these If they've had any preconceptions
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about like what it means to like appear a certain way,
they've shed them and they're they're just like I'm just
showing up as me one and ten percent. And I
love that. I love that mentality, and it's something that
I'm kind of I'm trying to kind of unlearn how
to have those walls up and how how to have
the I'm trying to unlearn trying to present a certain way.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Yeah, I didn't really. I've always had friends who are
Madonna fans served my life, but just like not until
like MDNA, like twenty twelve did I meet like the
huge group of people that I know now that we're
just like we're like a little cults, you know.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
It is just nice to like being a room in
a room or at an event where people know the
references from like the little idiosyncrasies or like the little
like the trivia or like the little one. We know
what patulity is. We know Madonna sent to her album
with that, like we know all those little like we
grew up with that. And of course, because Madonna has
been around for you know, the debut album came out
forty two years ago. Right, all of us that are
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fans from the beginning, we have to be in our
close to our fifties, you know, we can't be any
younger because we would have We can't be younger than
our first album. But when did you first like start
your Well.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
I'm I'm definitely a millennial, so I'm I'm an older millennial.
But but I I think that the first the first
mention of Madonna was right around a vita, during during
the during vita. The first mention that sort of I
remember hearing was around a vita, But I wasn't really
paying attention to her until the kiss with Brittany, and
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that was that was uh, it was kind of a
but it was but but it was a catapult for me.
That was it. It threw me headfirst into a deep
dive essentially, because first of all, I thought, uh, you know,
growing up around acts that were like brittany where, there's
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a lot of lip syncing involved, and there's a lot
of like, uh, hearing Madonna sing so clearly and so
pristinely alongside. I mean that that's a good vocal. That
that Hollywood performance on the on the VMA's that's a
good vocal. And I just remember thinking, Oh, she she's
she's got some chops and and this is this is
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a really like, this is a really like this is
someone who's got their toolbox together, you know. And so
I started to I listened a little bit to American Life.
But but but the thing that sort of plunged me
into the deep end was Ray of Light. That was
that I came across that while listening to her other stuff,
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and I thought, oh, this is a full life experience
worth of uh. I mean, it's it's a full life
worth of experiences that this person is writing about, singing about,
talking about. And I just thought, this is such a
rich tapestry already for me to come in in the middle.
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And and so I worked my way backwards from there.
I kind of well, I don't want to say I
worked my way backwards, but I went all the way
back to the beginning. After hearing Ray of Light, I
was like, Okay, this can't be this. This is the
same person that did like a version. This is the
same person that did material girl? How how did we
get here? And so then I went back to the
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beginning and sort of worked worked up to Ray of Light.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
That's always the magic part of hers, that like sometimes
the transition, Like she would back in the day, she
would release a lot of a lot of like soundtrack
like songs. Yeah, the soundtrack song was like so apart
from the they were always amazing, but it was always
like worlds apart from the last single Ship put out,
like in between Justify my Love and Erotica was this
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used to be in my playground, you know what I mean?
Like right, so it's like, you know, justinfa my Love
was just like sex band video, Filthy you know, there's
a Yeah video. And then she puts out this like
really sappy, uh nostalgic ballad, and then she puts out
this song about you know, I'll hit you like a truck,
I'll teach you how to fuck you know. I mean,
it's like she went she just tossed things, you know,
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like a right, like a ball bouncing around. So it
was always like what is she gonna do next? What
is she can do next? And I think that's where
we're at right now because it's like she's had like
one of the longest breaks since Madam X was in
twenty nineteen and now it's like six years later. She
hasn't really had a break that long in her entire career, Right,
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we need warm, we need new music.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Well that and that's so interesting hearing experiences from people
who have been fans, because I think that from like
looking at you know, from an outside perspective like I I,
it must have been such a scratch and claw for
her to be taken seriously, and for me as a fan,
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I had no choice but to take her seriously the
minute I like became aware of her, because the first
thing that I consumed was Ray of Light. The first
thing that I consumed after that was was I probably
went back to Avida immediately after that. So I I
saw her being legitimate from the jump. And then and
then you know, my parents were like, well, you know,
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she did this whole thing with the sex, and I
was like, wait, what, that's kind of that's actually kind
of ballsy, uh, you know, And and then I discovered
that I was like, oh my god, oh my, and
my jaw dropped. I was like, this is so bold.
It's such a it's controversial, sure, but it's it's bold
and to be somebody that explored subject matter like that
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and then do a one eighty and be like earth
Mother is wild to me. So cool.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
But I remember at the time, though, I feel like
a lot of people across the board loved Ray of Light,
like that, the whole album, all the singles.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Like scooped everybody back that she might have lost.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Yeah, yeah, because I remember, even like when I was
in school, you know, and being the rabbit Madonna fan
that I was at that time. I remember like listening
to that album every day, like I'm on the bus
or you know, just talking about it in school. And
there were even a lot of people at school, like
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kids my age, I should say, who like bought the
Ray of Light like single or bought the Frozen single. Yea,
So it was it was kind of like more widely
accepted and that was okay at that time.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
It very much could have been like someone's first album
too what for.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
A lot of people.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
I think it was people like my age, and I'm
assuming Vegas, we're probably around the same age. Maybe I'm
thirty seven, Okay, we're around the same age. Yeah, I
feel like maybe you'll you'll agree with me. Like after that,
I was, you know, running my mouth about Madonna prior
to Ray of Light, and people were like, oh, blah blah,
like now that like it wasn't cool, like for kids,
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she wasn't taken seriously, It wasn't like the cool thing
to listen to, right, so people didn't care, Like the
kids didn't care. Way of Light came out and it
kind of opened up I think it musically opened up
a lot of people to various genres and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
So right, the voice sounded so so different. It was
so fresh, vigorated.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
She sounds invigorated, she sounds she sounds wise energized. Yeah,
she sounds wise exactly. It's a lot of the best
way to describe it as maturity. It just sounded so
mature and aware.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
You know that that cabala.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
It's that cabal I mean, I mean, I think that
the bigger, for for sure, the bigger. And I noticed
this among a lot of woman artists is that whenever
they have a kid, something clicks it because they their
voice sounds better, or they're I mean a lot of
it is because they're practicing healthier habits. You know, they
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have to take care of nursing, of nurturing a life
inside of them, and so they probably quit smoking, they
probably quit drinking. But it's I've noticed it with Rihanna,
with Gwen Stefani, with a lot of like you know
women artists who have kids and then do another project.
You're like, something seems more centered now. It just seems
like it's less hungry. It seems like it's less like desperate.
(31:50):
It seems like right where it's meant to be.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
My experience with Ray of Life was there was used
to be a Sam Goodie on like on Sixth Avenue nearbor.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
My God, Last from the Past, samebody.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
And I knew the manager there and he invited me
and my friend Pedro to a listening party. So we
were sitting in this like big room upstairs and we
got to listen to the album like a few days
before it came out, and it was just like we
didn't know what, you know, Bedtime Story, the song definitely
like was the precursor, Yeah, like the gateway drug kind
of things. Yeah, that album. So you know, we we
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were going we were going club and at that we
were club kids at that time. We were going to
Limelight we're going to all the big clubs. Hearing Madonna
do that music was like so cool because we're like cool,
like we're gonna hear her wherever we go now, you know,
Like it was like in the nineties, all her songs
got remixed from bedtime stories and they ended up you know,
we'd hear them out in the clubs, all the remixes.
(32:46):
So like you heard Madonna, you know she was getting
a little darker, a little more like Edgier. That was
just such a beautiful, like apex of that journey of hers.
I always say that Madonna worship is kind of the
title is kind of tongue in cheek, but it really is,
like it's not only talk of cheek, it's like just
how could you not like this woman put like like NonStop.
(33:07):
She never really disappeared for any like Johanna Jackson disappears
and doesn't come up on an album for like six years, right.
Michael even took forever in between albums. I mean, Beyonce
has been very productive lately, but in the beginning she
would take a couple of years. But Donna was like
every two years. Every year there was something like new
that came out of a movie, a film she directed,
something else that she's in, a charity show, an awards performance,
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Like she just never stopped.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
And she's the She's was the first sort of mass well,
I mean her and Michael Jackson really were the first
sort of masters of being unavoidable.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
I think that's why a lot of people like got
sick of her, because she never gave anyone a chance
to miss her because she was just so inspired constantly,
and like, I don't think there's nothing wrong with that
to be constantly. You know, you see a film and
you want to now you want to write a poem
or we're going to write a song about that film.
Where you see this, you see this on the street
and you inspired to you know, you're you're a regular artist,
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everyday artist. You know, you're inspired constantly. Like I'll have
an interaction with somebody on the train or on the
bus and I'll be like wow, like that person was
like this and this and this, and then that leads
to like a character and a story that you created,
Like yeah, you're just open to it. She's you know,
she always claims she's not the best at everything, but
I think she's really good at her her strength is
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using whatever skill she has to their best ability.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Yeah, and it's funny. I mean, you were you were
talking about the title of you know, Madonna Worship and
and you know, the word worship to me always brings
to mind the church, which is kind of like it.
I mean, I've I had this sort of realization several
years ago where I realized that, you know, the meaning
(34:54):
of the word church, uh in some in some sort
of inter rotations, just means a group of people that
sort of believe the same thing, you know. It just
means sort of like a And so I started to like,
there were certain there were certain There was this show
(35:14):
not not too long ago, back you know, back in
Trump turned one called uh called I Love You America,
and it was Sarah Silverman and she was basically she
had the Mister Rogers set recreated and she and she
was just like, we're just gonna be here together and
we're gonna make sense of this nonsense. And I was like,
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this is not church, but it is the closest I
felt to church, like what I believe church to feel like,
like a collection of people that like believe the same
thing and feel that the same passionate way about something,
And so I've kind of released the word church from
being this institutionalized, scary, like trauma ridden religious thing to
(35:57):
mean just a something that can be good for you.
And so in that sense, Madonna worship has has sort
of scratched that part of my brain.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
But the kind of kind of is a church, Like
you said, can we get can we get tax exempt?
Speaker 4 (36:15):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Oh my god, that's a great idea that.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Johncey put put in for it. I want I want
tax exempt.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Listen. That's that's that's huge money. Because I have another
story like based on that is that I tried I
shot one of my music videos in a church. Great.
Uh it turned out great. Look it up Power and
Pride on YouTube. It's stylized Power x Pride, but uh
we shot it in a church, and and everybody's like,
(36:42):
how did you get the how did you get the church?
And ultimately was a favor lent to me because I
was asking churches. I was asking cathedrals like uptown, can
you can you provide us this space? And one of
them almost said yes, but they were like, we were
being used as a COVID hospital space, so we can't.
But then another church said, uh, sure we can host
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you for seventy five one hundred dollars for four hours.
I was like, Uh, that's that tax exempt money, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (37:14):
It adds up. They really they really like money.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
They said, we'll let you shoot here, but God needs
to get paid, I know, which is so it's.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
So against what Jesus was all about.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yeah, well, I mean the nice try, Yeah, nice try.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
It was a nice try. I politely declined and called
in a favor.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Well, it's funny, is I recently joined the Sisters of
Petrol Indulgence in One of our sisters is a I
think a deacon at the church on Christopher Street down
across right near Tuget Donuts. So we get ready in
there sometimes that's like we call it the convent. But
it's kind of cool to have like a is that
a deacon? The other word pastor pastor? Thank you? I
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always say deacon, I mean pastor. He's one of the
pastors there, and I mean he's gay. So it's really
cool that that church has a gay pastor. You know,
even the one, the one by the Center is really
really LGBT friendly and run by a lot of LGBT
priests and nuns and sisters, et cetera. I mean, it's
New York City, it's expected, Yeah, I mean the whole
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and also like the whole idea of filming in a
church too, is that like did they did they know
what your song was about? Like did they ask like
that's that's that might be some of the liability that
they worry about, Like if you're doing like a anti
god music video in a church, you know.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
That's nervously I would mean that they would have asked
you like, well, what what what what do you do?
Like showing what you're doing?
Speaker 4 (38:44):
Well that And it turned out all they wanted to
do was see the lyrics, and the lyrics are like
fairly tame, to be honest, but what you were doing
was kind of sort of a truth to power, uh situation.
I mean, the the statement I was trying to make
is that even even in places that are supposed to
be sanctuaries, like you're not safe and and things that
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like institutionalized power can get away with is criminal as
absolutely criminal. So those those were the two sort of
things that I was trying to tackle.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
There definitely a bold moved to do that in a
church that was amazing right.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
Well, I'm so, I'm so glad we got it. But
but all they wanted to see were the lyrics. And
the lyrics I kind of conflated to be more about
I humanized them more. Instead of being about a powerful entity,
it was about like a powerful lover, you know that
that wouldn't let go if there need to be right
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
You know, Well, for some people, the church is their lover.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Right, Yeah, so it still applies.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
It definitely does.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
Great if they if that's what they took away from it,
then great.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
It's wild that this party started seventeen years ago though
at at Little Nowhere Bar in two thousand and nine,
I was doing a monthly party there and when August
came around, I was like, I think when June came around,
I did. I did a Prince and his Proteges night.
It was his birthdays in the beginning of June, and
it was all Prince and like Sheila, you know, she
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needs anybody that he worked with. And then when August
came around, I was like, well, I gotta do all Madonna.
But back then what's crazy is the party was only
songs from eighty six to ninety five.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
Really, oh really, weird.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Decade thing that I like restricted myself with, so I
could only play music that was released during then, you know,
which is fine, but it saved me when somebody came
up and sick and he played Beyond Sam'm like she
wasn't alive then, you know what I mean. Like, so
I had an excuse to only play like that was
the theme of the party, and like nobody could tell
me otherwise, Like nobody could uh people like that because
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they're like, oh, that's that's nineteen ninety six shit, you know,
like they would be like a few.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
But then when I it's a time capsule.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Yeah, the first Madonna, it wasn't called Madonna worship. Then
when I did my first Madonna night, I only played
songs that she released from eighty six to ninety five,
so it was only this is in two thousand and nine,
So I didn't play anything from Ray of light On
and I didn't play anything like a version back. So
it was a very tricky night to play because I
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wanted to play every Madonna song I ever had. So
then the following year, I think it was really the
full first Madonna worship and it was like it was
Madonna the whole night.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
So it was great and I congratulations on that, and
I appreciative and honor to join this lineup.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
I know it's it's seventeen years old, so it can
it can? What is it I legally allowed to do? Now?
It can't?
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Age of consent? I was, oh, seventeen, Yeah, I think
seventeen the age of consent?
Speaker 4 (41:49):
Where I thought it was eighteen?
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Hold on, maybe they changed it. Let's let's let's google it.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Let's esk.
Speaker 4 (41:55):
Yeah, with the information super highways at our fingertips, we
can each consent.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Let's see age of consent New York. In New York,
the age of consent for sexual activity is seventeen years old.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
Wow, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
I can bring that up on stage. That'll be fun.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
That's I mean, it's how appropriate for a madonn extine
in New Jersey. Yeah, we're where tonight, we're like a virgin.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
However, Tennessee is eighteen. I'm kind of surprised by that.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
That's weird. You would think it would be like twelve.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Virginia's eighteen as well.
Speaker 4 (42:26):
That might be why because I'm from Saint Louis and
so eighteen.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Missouriro Missouri oh missouriro.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
Now see listen, Like saying that someone from Saint Louis
is from Missouri is like, is like someone from Chicago saying, Hi,
nice to meet you. I'm from Illinois. It's just it's
not the same.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
That's funny. Yeah, I would never thank you for a
Missouri person.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
Well, it's a very Saint Louis is a very blue
city in a very red state.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
I not iways thought you were a West coaster.
Speaker 4 (43:01):
Really, what what do you what what specifically.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Makes you feel like chill kind of like creative but
like not like relaxed kind of vibe.
Speaker 4 (43:10):
Like oh cool, I love that I give that off.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Yeah, Like I know that you're insane and you you're
very and all that, but you know, you know you
kind of have a little bit of like a hippiness
about you.
Speaker 4 (43:24):
Yeah. Well that, yeah, that does track for sure.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
And I always think of that as like San Francisco,
San die Yeah.
Speaker 4 (43:30):
Yeah, no, I know exactly what you mean.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Now, So as I'm sitting here, I'm like, wait, no,
I never went to Saint Louis. I went to Kansas City.
Speaker 4 (43:38):
Oh that is the other big city.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
That's the other side. I've been to Kansas City, Springfield,
and Branson.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
Oh yeah, you've been to every city except for Saint
Louis major.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Yeah. St. Louis the same. Meet me in Saint Louis.
Yeah yeah, I like sometimes they call it Louiss and
iCal Lewis.
Speaker 4 (43:57):
Yeah yeah, people actually call it Louis there. Yeah. Yeah,
or they'll call it the lou or s cl the
lou Yeah, the lou like the bathroom, uh like like
the bathroom. Man, I didn't, I didn't. Oh my gosh,
I now I can't unhear that. Uh, but yeah, Saint
(44:19):
Louis is sort of like a like a little affectionate,
like like pet name. I guess that they give it sometimes.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
It's like it's very funny, like if you're if you're
from Jersey or Brooklyn or like Long Island, you call
Manhattan the city right that you could tell somebody from
around here if they call it, are you going to
the city site, Let's go to the city, right, Oh,
you're definitely from the Tri State area because people.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
There's there's very few other I've looked at a map
once that that sort of dissected all this, but there's
very few other I think there's like Boston is known
as the city, and then like I think Los Angeles
is the other the other big one in Chicago are
the other two. But but other than that, the only
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the only place, the only places, those are the only
places where the city the words the city is used
without a distinction.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
I see, like up here where I live, because I
live far north, I'm all the way up in the mountains,
people will say the city, right, but I feel like
in Brooklyn, like I'm trying to remember, like like my
grandparents would say it, like I vaguely remember, like my
grandfather being like, oh, you're going to go into New
York today, like meaning I'm heading in, like you're going
(45:36):
into Manhattan.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
Yeah right, yeah, that's interesting, right.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
Interesting, Yeah, Like I mean, being from Saint Louis, you
just call it downtown.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Oh I gotcha, yeah, head and downtown.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
Yeah, I love it. I always I always wonder what
it was like, like when when like Madonna got dropped off.
Was it like late seventies, Like how different New York was,
how different Times Square was, Like you know, I mean,
I I grew up around here, so like coming into
Manhattan wasn't so far in so like but you know,
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we went to more like the tourist areas or but
like when I when I was in high school, I
would start started hanging out in the village. But like
for to be from Michigan and then just be plopped
in the middle of Times Square right with all those
freaking you know, screens and lights and shows must have.
Speaker 4 (46:25):
Been yeah, yeah, I mean it was a lot more seedy,
and it was a lot more of.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
The little girl from Michigan, you know, a little five
foot four girl from Michigan, a dancer.
Speaker 4 (46:34):
You know, right they I mean, I mean like they
they ate her alive pretty much. I mean, uh, except
except they didn't.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
You know.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
I just always wonder like, how did she like finnagle
her way into like being part of like Boscot and
Andy Warhol and Keith Harrying, Like how did she really
managed to find her like her tribe seemingly fast.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
And think, you know, maybe we'll find out.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
Yeah, that's what I that's the part of it. I wonder, like,
you know, we got a little taste of it on
the tour, but it was kind of like the corny,
like the cliche version her getting into a club. But
she did talk a little bit about like with their Doppelgangers.
You saw the show, right, Vegas?
Speaker 4 (47:16):
Uh the No, I haven't seen her live ever once.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
Oh no, No.
Speaker 4 (47:23):
I know I've always wanted to, but it's just one
of those things I've never been able to make happen.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
Well, now you're a very strong rumor that when she
releases her next album, she's definitely going on tour.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
So oh that one. Good bye to your wallets kids.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
Yeah, that's making sure it happens because you have to
see her at least once. All right, well, I think
we should wrap things up.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
We wrap it up.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
We had a great, great chat with Vegas. Vegas is
definitely check out all his his music and his his
music videos and all that kind of stuff. He's very
I want to use the word thorough. It's not just
a song, it's it's it's a it's an you know,
an experience. So in Vegas and I definitely have been
wanting to work together. We just had it, really made it,
made it work out. I'm excited what you're gonna do.
(48:09):
I've kept I've been I've been teasing everybody with it
and letting them know that, oh wait till hear what
Vegas is gonna do. Because I don't want to. I'm
excited any any any pressure or anything.
Speaker 4 (48:19):
I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
I'm edged. I'm like, I'm ready.
Speaker 4 (48:23):
You're perched, your your present, you're sat. That's right.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
Yeah, we'll have to wait. We'll have to wait and see.
Speaker 4 (48:31):
Yeah, I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Yeah, it's gonna be fun. It's gonna be great.
Speaker 4 (48:34):
Thank you both for having me on today.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 4 (48:38):
Great to talk to you both.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
You know, we go and we go off on tangents,
and we learned that you you also love a tangent
as well, So.
Speaker 4 (48:45):
I love a tangent.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
But Vegas, where can I find you? On the internet?
Speaker 4 (48:50):
On Instagram, I'm Vegas Valentine Music, and then on TikTok
Vegas just Vegas Valentine in my Instagram. That's probably like
the the best gateway drug honestly for me, because I
have a link tree there and that from from there
you can see everything that I'm doing. I update that
pretty frequently.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
Like you're on the YouTube and whatnot?
Speaker 2 (49:12):
Right?
Speaker 4 (49:13):
Oh yeah, I'm I'm I'm definitely like my music videos
are all on YouTube. Those are great, like great content
to check out and I even have some live performances
up on YouTube as well.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
Perfect, yeah, perfect, Now everybody knows, we all know, we
have no excuse.
Speaker 4 (49:27):
Everybody knows. We got we got it out of the.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
Bag, cats out of the bag, and we're all gonna
we're all gonna we're all gonna go rush and follow you.
Speaker 4 (49:35):
Great sounds good. I look forward to to hanging out
with everybody.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
We'll see We'll see then Vegas.
Speaker 4 (49:41):
Yeah you will, thank.
Speaker 3 (49:42):
You, bye, thank you.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
Wow, what a chat that was.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
Vegas was lovely.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
Vegas is very lovely. He's very like in tune with
what he does. He loves what he does. He believes
in it. You know, he's really talented. A lot of
his music when I first met him, first started learning
about him, was very like orchestral and had a lot
of depth and like really interesting, like not just a
beat and a song. You know, it was very like
(50:22):
well planned and orchestrated.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
So he's, oh, you know, and that's I was before
when I had said I love having guests. You don't
get to, you know, chat like this usually at a bar.
You know, we're at a gig, so it's cool to
hear what they have to say, pick their brain a little.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
He's a sweetheart too.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
He's very super sweet, super sweet.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
But like some of the things he does for the
Monday nights at Stonewall, it's like it's this little show
and he pulls together like a fierce look a whole
video presentation.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
It's like, wow, I can imagine I went through the Instagram.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
So he doesn't he doesn't play around. When he does something,
he does it before love that. Yeah, he's a great
guy and he's he'll be doing. I'm excited for you
all to hear what song he does from a semi
recent album, a post two thousand album.
Speaker 1 (51:11):
Deep keep it a surprise.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
I want to And he'll be at three dollars bill
for the Madonna Worship nights at seventeenth Annual. Also, I
believe there are a few tickets left. On Thursday the fourteenth,
I'm helping out. I'll be DJing an event at Iron Feather.
It's the Salon and Art Gallery Events Space in Soho.
The event is on party full, but it's if you
(51:33):
go to my bio at DJ Chompson d you can
check the links. I believe we still have some waiting
list tickets available. You got a ticket, right, I did,
I did, I got a ticket. I'll see you two
times that weekend.
Speaker 1 (51:44):
It's gonna be it's gonna be a Madonna weekend.
Speaker 2 (51:46):
Yeah, yeah, I love. There's a lot of other events
that are popping up about, you know, Madonna related on
the city that weekend, which I'm which I'm happy about
because there's there's there's room for everyone to throw Madonna party.
The more I have heard recently from several people that
Madonna Worship is the best mcdona party. So I'm not bragging.
I'm just repeating, you know, just repeating what other people
(52:08):
have said.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
Well, it's it's it's coming up. We got we only
got a couple couple couple weeks left. I have to
order more stickers so that way I have stickers to
pass out.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
Yes, yes, uh I'm Madonna Worship stickers. I need to
put more out around. I saw.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
I still I still have a couple, but I want.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
To have a bunch. I just have a bunch, but
we should definitely give them out just everyone. Yeah, and
I definitely like and subscribe to us, follow us on Instagram,
Stevie's at Stevie Box s T E V I E
vo x. We got Madonna worship of course, which I
need to start posting more on. I want to be
one of those Madonna pages that like they post something
up and immediately get like thirty thousand likes. And I'm
obviously DJ Shaun c D. We're available everywhere right where.
(52:47):
We're on Spotify, Apple, Apple Podcasts. There's a couple we're
like like pod bean, right yeah, Christian Mingle, Christian Mingle.
There's a there's a there's a like a para section
for us for podcasts. Yeah, it's it's it's really fun.
We just we just in March, we past our one
year anniversary, so we're well into our second year and uh,
(53:08):
let's keep it going. It's been great. Yeah, it's been wonderful.
Speaker 1 (53:11):
It's a lot of fun. I'm happy that everybody listens
and and I've gotten a lot of a lot of
really good feedback and a lot of really lovely comments from.
Speaker 2 (53:19):
People noticing the uh, the listens are getting higher and higher. Yeah,
it takes time. We just started it. It's just two
lifelong fans, you know, gabbing about Queen of Pop, Queen
in the universe, and you know, we just go off
on tangents. We start with a plan, but we don't
always we get through the plan. But there's just a little, uh,
a little garland and tinsel strewn about in between.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
The garland like Judy Garland.
Speaker 2 (53:43):
Like Judy Garland.
Speaker 1 (53:43):
Yeah, Judy Garland.
Speaker 2 (53:45):
Judy Garland. And I'm holding over the rainbow pin in
my hand. That are you?
Speaker 1 (53:51):
Do you have ruby slippers? I have ruby slippers.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
I have No, I don't have ruby stip I do.
Speaker 1 (53:55):
They're in my closet.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
You really do have ruby slipping I swear.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
And you know where I bought them out.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
Of the closet at the Ruby slipper store.
Speaker 1 (54:02):
No, out of the closet, the thrift store.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
Oh in California, Yes, yeah, twelve, twenty twelve. You were
in California?
Speaker 1 (54:11):
Was it twenty twelve? Yeah, it was twenty twelve when
I bought I like, I walked in and I saw them,
I was like, those are mine? Five point fifty. Didn't
know what they had?
Speaker 2 (54:19):
Five dollars and fifty cents.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
Five dollars and fifty cents. There are size women's fourteen wide,
that's my size. Well, you know what, if you ever
need if you ever need to borrow them.
Speaker 2 (54:29):
Put them in your will you died before me, I'll
get your ruby slippers. I'll click them three times and.
Speaker 1 (54:35):
I'll be Then you could wish me back alive.
Speaker 2 (54:37):
Yeah, that's what I'll tell you. Used that as a wish,
I say, like I want CV back. I mean you
might come back with like a missing eye or something.
Speaker 1 (54:43):
To sometimes come back, it might be a zombie.
Speaker 2 (54:46):
Yeah, i mean you'll definitely be a zombie because you'll
be dead. Yeah. Whatever, do you ever wonder what your
zombie version would do? That's speaking of tangents. Never mind,
I'm anxiously anxiously like I'm getting a little frustrated waiting
for just a taste of what she's gonna do for
the new album. Like I just want to snippet, even
(55:08):
if it's not even the final product, just like.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
I think we'll find out soon.
Speaker 2 (55:12):
You know.
Speaker 1 (55:12):
There's like there's there's some things buzzing around.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
There's all these crazy rumors about her. She's not releasing
the song until the Devil Worst Product two comes out.
I'm like they just started filming that we're not waiting
a year.
Speaker 1 (55:24):
You know, maybe it's gonna be in the movie.
Speaker 2 (55:27):
Yeah, and then she just recently posted more pictures of
her with Stewarts. So I think we're gonna.
Speaker 1 (55:33):
Get like, sorry, my chair is creaky.
Speaker 2 (55:37):
I have a creaky chair too. I think we're gonna
get a taste of something sooner than later, maybe even
because November will be the twenty years exactly from Confessions, right, Yes,
so maybe we'll get like a hung that probably came
out in what like September September ish, Yes, maybe we'll
get I would have loved a new song for Madonna worship.
So Madonna, if you're listening to this.
Speaker 1 (55:59):
Need to go deliver a letter to her house or something.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
Yeah, let's just drop it off. I'm like, Hi, doing
a party in your honor that I do every year
for the past seventeen years. Would really love it if
you just sent me a new song. Thanks, thanks, XO XO,
thanks whoever you are.
Speaker 1 (56:16):
On that note.
Speaker 2 (56:17):
Yeah, we we should get go a great chat with
Vegas Valentine and next week we'll have next episode, we're
going to be speaking to another one of our performers.
Speaker 1 (56:26):
Maybe it is it a surprise, I hope so I
just love surprises.
Speaker 2 (56:31):
Yeah, it's a surprise. Well, for the next episode, we
have another performer from Madonna worship and it's gonna be
fun because it's nice to hear people who were exposed
to them down at different times of her career, like Vegas,
like Vegas's first, like my introm and MTV. Baby, I've
(56:51):
been with her from the beginning. We're a little later,
but Vegas. Can you imagine if Ray of Light was
your first, like your intro to Madonna, I'd be like,
holy shit.
Speaker 1 (57:01):
Was mine mind blowing? Yeah? See, like my intro and
I know I've talked about this on previous episodes. My
intro was The Immaculate Collection, like when it came out
like around that time.
Speaker 2 (57:14):
That was November nineteen ninety, right.
Speaker 1 (57:16):
So I was. I was a child, but I was.
I was a weird child. I didn't want toys. I
wanted tapes. I wanted music. I wanted That's not a
weird child I was. I didn't play it. Well, I
had toys, but I'd rather sit and listen to tapes.
Speaker 2 (57:31):
Yeah, I was definitely that was that was me.
Speaker 1 (57:34):
I'd rather watch MTV and emulate you know, Madonna and
Michael Jackson and dance.
Speaker 2 (57:39):
And I used to put the the afghan that my
aunt Mary made that was on our couch as you
put that on my shoulders and I spin around like
Steve Vie Nickson the standback video.
Speaker 1 (57:49):
Can you do that?
Speaker 2 (57:50):
Now? I don't have an afghan, but if you give
me an afghan, I'll.
Speaker 1 (57:53):
Get you one, a scarf of some sort, you know
I have scarves or else. See what we could do?
Speaker 2 (58:00):
Stand back, stand back good.
Speaker 1 (58:02):
That's a good song.
Speaker 2 (58:03):
I wonder if Madonna and her ever met. Probably, I'm
sure they had to do. There's another article about the biopic,
and there's just there's a lot of waiting right now
this you just waiting to see. I'm waiting. It's that
it's that interim time that's so like devilishly exciting, and
(58:25):
as a Madonna fan, which she's going to give us,
she keeps mentioning, you know, Confessions of Dancer book too,
and I'm like, it's just it's weird for her to
do that. I'm not completely excited about that part that
she's calling it that, you know, and she keeps referencing
that because you're working with Stewart, it doesn't have to
be a part two. But he did all the music
(58:47):
for the tour, right he was the musical Victor.
Speaker 1 (58:49):
You know what we will find out eventually.
Speaker 2 (58:51):
It's just just so excited. I'm like, I'm like, I'm
losing my mind.
Speaker 1 (58:55):
Like I said, we're going to write her a letter.
I'm writing her letter right now.
Speaker 2 (58:58):
Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna send her a Yeah Center telegram.
That's a great idea because she'll definitely she'll definitely read it,
listen to. All Right, Well, we're gonna we're gonna spit
on another episode really fast.
Speaker 1 (59:10):
So uh faster than usual.
Speaker 2 (59:12):
Yeah, faster than usual. We're gonna we're gonna spit them out.
But definitely check out. Also, I didn't finish up the
Iron Feather event. Is all I want to do is
talk about Madonna podcasts a live recording of it. So
those guys are gonna be there and we're gonna be
actually giving away tickets to Madonna worship that night a raffle.
So if you haven't gotten your tickets, which you should
(59:33):
have gotten them by now, and you come to that event,
you might be able to gift someone else tickets to
Madonna Worship the night after. But yeah, check out. All
I want to do is talk about Madonna. Check out
Iron Feather NYC on Instagram, follow Madonna Worship, and subscribe
to our podcast. Yes please, without you, with nothing,
Hey, Stevie Chauncey, how are you pretty good?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
We're We're it's it's it's summertime in New York City.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
It's hot.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
It's been terrible it is.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
We are in the middle of this friggin heat wave.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
And what was you said today? I can feel the
cool air on my sweaty skin.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Right, yes, last week. Last last Wednesday, I was at MSG,
I was at Madison Square Garden. I went to I
went to Kesha's tour. I told you that, right, I
went to see I bought tickets for Kesha's tour. I
wasn't there for Kesha.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
You're the Boys.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I was there for the Benga Boys, which was a
dream come true for me and the Scissor Sisters. Funny
and as I'm sitting there, I was so cold in there.
I don't think I've ever been there and been cold ever.
And it reminded me of when we were in Miami.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah, when we saw her in Miami. She was like,
that's what she got, bitch.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
She stopped that show. She's like, I could feel the
cold air on my sweaty skin, and like it was silent.
Everybody was so quiet, like nobody's cheered nobody clapped. We
were silent.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I'm just amazed that she was able to feel it,
like all the way down there, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I mean when you're up there and you're sweating your
ass off, it's you're probably more susceptible to susceptible, Is that,
like you're able to feel it.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
You just got a package in the mail though, right.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
I did well speaking of heat wave. Yes, Miss Veronica
Electronic showed up today courtesy of FedEx.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Oh wow, and I'm.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Very my air. I live in I live in the
middle of nowhere. I live in you know, it's it's
a third world country up here, So I don't have
mail delivery to my house. Does that make sense to
you know? Like no, Like when I tell people that,
they're like, what, so the post office, while it's a
big post office and it services a large area up here,
(02:27):
there's no there's no mail delivery like local mail delivery,
like you get a free PO box. So when something
comes FedEx, if they don't send it FedEx ground or
ups ground and it goes through smart post or short
post or whatever, it will go to the post office.
So I was like paranoid, it's gonna go to the
post office. They don't have the post office box on there.
They're going to return it because there's schmucks at the
(02:48):
post office, and I don't care if they're listening to
this long story short. It was shipped FedEx ground delivered
right to my door, and I sat here all day refreshing.
I had notification on. I didn't want it sitting out
in the sun, you know, in the event that it
got delivered to the house, because you know, vinyl records
and heat, you know, ninety degree heat.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Don't it's a rubber.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
It's it's it's gonna get warped.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
But you don't be silly put a kind.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Of put a rubber on your really ew grouse grouse.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
You know, you really never get to know a guy
until you until you ask him to wear a rabba ew.
The diehards will know where that's from. Yeah. I got
really excited last Thursday and my gig at like twelve
oh nine. I checked my iTunes and all the tracks
had loaded. I was like, oh, they're all year.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
It's a good arrangement. I like the edits, I like
it sounds rabulous.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I really like the remix to Nothing really matters. I
I vaguely remember dancing to that, but I don't remember
ever hearing that commercially, Like it's definitely an edit that
that was maybe like one of the twelve on the
on the Maxist single back in the day. Well, I
think some really it's really sexy and really filthy.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
I think some of these some of them were like
kind of like re edits of the edits to like
that to make it a little bit more special to
this release.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah, and I always I've always loved Gonn. That's always
been one of my that was definitely like a napster
grab back in the day. M m oh, of course,
gone gone gone. And there was another Revenge. Was it
Revenge same time? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah, Revenge was very like a flower.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Like a flower came out, I remember that. But the
funny thing about it Revenge is for the next like
four albums that she was coming out with, Revenge made
it onto the radio as like this is the new
Madonna's single and like Mexico or something, right it was,
and everybody be like, oh, did you hear the Madonna's
song Revenge? I Go, I Go. People say that's Madonna's
new song since nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
So I haven't. I haven't opened her yet. Yeah, you
would think that I would have rushed to open it.
I didn't. I I'm looking at her currently. She's in
my my recent purchased you know rack. I have a
little little rack that I have on my on my
shelf that holds all the recent purchases before I you know,
open and listen and organize and resleeve, et cetera. She's beautiful.
(05:17):
It's beautiful, like just beautiful packaging. You know. I know
some people were a little like, oh, why did they
pick the picture? I think it fits it, It fits
the record, it fits everything.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
There is not one bad picture from that era that
she took, like Romo wise, everything was gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
So I'm I'm happy with I'm very happy with them.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
How do you feel? And you know, people can leave
a comment on our you know, obviously on Instagram where
Madonna worship on Instagram Stevie Box and DJ Chauncey D.
But you can leave a comment when we post about
the episode you feel about these AI videos of her,
like moving around in that outfit, they're freaking out?
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Do they freak out? I don't. I don't mind it,
but I could see how how it could be like
weird to people, and but I feel like that's going
to be like the thing, like do you.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Think her next music video will just be like completely
ai like she's not so many No.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
I don't think so. I think she's too much of
a control freak. I think that she'll I almost feel like,
being her own video.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
No one's done that yet. It would be kind of
about guard if she would do that. She's been filtering
her face.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
We don't we all. I mean, for Christ's sake, cause
I'm Internet hot too. But I feel like that's going
to be a big thing, like you know, with like
Abba Abba did, like the their abatars, you know they're
their their you know, residency Gars abatars.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yes, that's funny.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I think that.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
We're going to see maybe the most clever thing ever done.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Has done a lot of clever things. I think this
is like paving the way for the future. I think
we're going to see a lot of different artists of
of you know, the years gone.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
They did it with Whitney, did they or did they
cancel that they may have?
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I know they did it with Tupac for Coachella or something.
I think that we're going to see like you know,
a big artist like Michael Jackson show or you know
maybe like an Elvis show or the Beatles or something
like that that's going to draw people in. I think
that's going to be the thing. So that's you know,
I mean I was thinking about this the other day.
(07:26):
How amazing would it be if we if they did
like the Blonde Ambition Tour, you know, ai Blonde Ambition
Tour at the Madonna Stadium.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
But what what do you mean, like someone would be
it would be fake. Everything would be fake.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Everything would be fake and projected, but looks so real
like you're actually there with like a live Band's wild.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah, because the crazy thing about some of these videos now,
like usually you could see like an eye like twitch
or whatever. These look like they're like video of her
photos shoot like she's done before, you know, like they're
so well done.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Well, I don't think this is a twenty dollars a
month membership to chat GPT. I think this is like
serious serious.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
She's not producing them, right, other people are right.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I think other people are.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
But there's also a video of her like walking down
the street in her outfit that she'd like her recent
recording sessions with Stuart and it looks literally like it's
somebody filmed her walking down the street. And I think
the thing that freaks me out so much about it
is that it's so real looking well.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
You know, you know they're doing the Wizard of Oz
at the Sphere in Vegas.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
That would be something to witness.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
That is mostly I know it's not Madonna related, but
they they did AI for the entire movie. I mean,
like just expanded sets and characters walking. You know, you
don't see them walk in the movie. You just see
them walk onto the movie like you see them doing
(08:53):
you know, something else over to your right, you know,
where there was no camera. But now since the Sphere
is so big, they've you know, they use Google or
something google AI to make it ridiculous. It's crazy. I
really want to go see.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
It, yeah, I mean, but it's just it's just wild
how it catapulted it so fast to becoming so so
good and the like, the only thing it really makes
me worry about is like you can make a video
that looks real of somebody doing something bad and then
try to use that as evidence when it's not true,
you know, like you know, there's.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Well yeah, I mean we've all we've all seen it online,
you know, whether it's presidential or political or whatever. I mean,
it happens.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, it just makes me worry because, like, how can
we convince or like, you know, how could we punish
someone for doing something if we don't know whether they
really did it or not.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
You know, only time will tell.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but I'm excited that that we're working on.
We might be getting some promo items for Madonna Worship
from Veronica Electronica. I've been nagging my connection. But also
here's some cool things we're doing. A raffle at Madonna.
Madonnal Worship is happening at three Dollars Bill, like on
the fifteenth, the night before her birthday, August fifteenth. If
you go to my link tree and my bio you
(10:07):
can get tickets or just go to the three dollars
Bill website. Every ticket purchase you get a raffle ticket.
But we're also going to be selling raffle tickets at
the event. You can win. We have two copies of
the Madonna Songbook, which is a huge, heavy book of
all of her songs for that she's ever released, with
different fans giving their like a little paragraph about them.
Both me and Michelle both have an entry. And then
(10:29):
we're also giving away like a package of promo items
like like some magazines and some funky, funky Madonna memorabilia.
But then also one of the prizes from the Wrathful,
which we'll be raising money for trans Lifeline. By the way,
you will be a guest on our podcast. That's a
fun unique prize.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I think that I love having guests on the podcast,
so it will be, it will be. It will be
really fun, Wad.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
It'll be fun to have someone that we don't necessarily choose,
you know, like we'll have to, like it's fate, like
find out about them and learn a little bit about them.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
We're leaving it up to the universe to decide.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah, I mean it's gonna be cool because you know,
we always tried to do something philanthropical for from Madonna worship,
you know, in our mother's name. You know she uh,
she's always doing something for somebody.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
So and it's a great organization.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Have you did you ever come to a Madonna worship
at Stonewall? Yeah? Because when did I stop doing them? There?
Not that long ago?
Speaker 1 (11:22):
The last the last Stonewall one, three, three or four
years ago.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
It wasn't that long ago.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Coma was there?
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah, okay, that's.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Right, Coma Koma. Wait, did the Who's That Girl?
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, because we.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Were we went to rock bar afterwards.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Got it, that's right. I remember because we used to
do a two hour concert beforehand. It was called the
Reinvention Benefits Show, and that's you know. Once I started
doing it at Stonewall and we raised money and we
donated to a different charity every year, and then from
ten o'clock on, which is Madonna, Madonna, Dona Madonna, Donna Madonna.
So yeah, so like once we started doing it at
three dollars bill. Last year we sold candles, Red Eye,
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we sold candles. Then the candles were missing and the candles
came back. Think I still have a few canibals, but
canals we're doing.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
You could raffle one off.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah, but if you haven't, just look at the Madonna songbook.
It's on Amazon. It's not a cheap book, and it's
really heavy the shipping. The shipping is more than the
books actually looks.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
I haven't felt one in real life in person, but
I've seen photos and it's definitely a pretty hefty book.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yeah, so that's a very cool prize. The guys from
the guys that put the book together reached out and
we made a connection, and uh so that's gonna be
a cool prize. But if you want to follow on
Instagram Madonna's songbook, you learn a little bit about about
the book. I believe Michelle wrote about Rescue Me and
I wrote about Vote. So yeah, it's a fun Uh.
It was fun to be a part of and to
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be asked to be part of that. The cool thing
is we have a very special guests day.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
I love guests.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah. They are one of the performers at this year's
Madonna Worship. They also performed twice last year. They are
the one and only Vegas Valentine, a fellow nightlife character
that I've been friends with for many years now. I
think we started working together. Our first time that we
did like any kind of collaboration was during the pandemic.
I was doing my freak Out show online, contributed a
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music video or something. But should we should we? Should
we get him on, Stevie.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Let's get him go? Get him?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Well? Hello, Hello, we have our very special guest tonight,
the one and only Vegas. Valentine, Hi, Vegas, Hi, how
are you pretty good? Stevie? You know you know Vegas, right, Stevie.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
We I don't think that we've ever officially met, but.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
I can't place it. But I believe you, Okay, I
believe you if you say that we have not met,
But I'd also believe you if you said.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I think we've been in the same room maybe.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Okay, okay, certain it was the.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Bathroom in Bloomingdale's.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Vegas late night performance last year at Worshiped.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
So yes, yeah, well, yes, no, no, no, I was.
I was there for that.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
I do remember, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
And Vegas does make a lot of appearances at Anthony
Fef's show at Stonewall on the Monday before freak Out,
and he always has like a full, like fierce video
projections installation behind him. It does like costumes very you're
heavy into like what do we call it? Costplay? Right?
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Yeah? I don't. I don't like to do things half assed,
and I sort of build traps for myself a lot
where I say, oh, I'm going to do this thing,
and then I'm like, well I said I'm gonna do
the thing. I guess I gotta do the thing, I know.
But yeah, I mean I'm a I'm a cosplayers, twitch
streamer and and musician. Uh you know, I have a
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I have an album and several singles out on everywhere
that you find your fine music.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
We love love.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
I went through your Instagram earlier actually, and I was like, oh,
look at this, look at it, like very not just
a costplayer. You're a very good cost player.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Thank you. I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Very good.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
There are a lot of them out there that are not.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Some closet cosplayers.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Yeah, I've definitely like it has definitely like given me
a lot of skills that I never thought, Like if
you asked me what a heat wand was a year ago,
I wouldn't have been able to tell you. But now
I know how to use it and how to use
it safely, and you know, uh, I think there is
actually you'd have to ask. I mean if people there
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must be people that like being sort of burned, you know,
you know.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
But it sounds like it's like is it for clothing?
Speaker 4 (15:37):
No, Well, it's it's to cut like foam, like thick foam,
and so it's like a it's like a knife, but
it gently sort of butters like butter. Knifs like really thick,
like a.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Hot knife in a in an ice cream cake kind
of thing.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Yeah, yeah, cuts like butter.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Yeah, cuts like butter.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Very sexual though it could be could I mean, I
don't know if I'm just weird, but I.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Think I think you could make anything sexual if you
wanted to.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
You wanted to get. Everything's that deal to if you're
brave enough. For me, I saw that once on somebody
had done like a cross stitch version of that that
that's the deal do comment, and I just lost it.
I was like, oh my god, no, not only is
it a sick, twisted thing to say, but somebody took
their time and made it into like a cross stitch
laugh love, Like, everything's that dial do if you're brave enough, right,
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put that on?
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Put that on the wall for when you're family over.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Except yeah, yeah, I can hear that in Julia Child's voice. Now,
I was.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Trying to remember many times have you performed at worship?
Is it this will be the third.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Time that this is the I think it's actually only
the second.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah, I mean I'm talking about it for a while, but.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Yeah, we've we've been talking about it for a while.
I did two performances at the last one, so maybe
that's that's right.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
That's right. Yeah. And also Vegas and I and a
friend of his are cooking up something special for in
a couple of months that we don't have many details about.
But it's very uh Veronica electronica adjacent. Yes, but that's
that's exciting.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
I'm so excited for that will be holographic.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
What I'm sure or is Vegas is going to do
kind of a deep cut, not that old of a
deep cut, but from a relatively recent album. So I'm
excited for that.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
You really, I gotta give you your props because you
I it's like you sent me a song that fits
in my voice so well. It's like it's like you
knew my voice by by sending that to me, And
that's that's a huge compliment to receive as a musician.
It's like somebody like knows you well enough to be like,
this is gonna be good for you, and it was.
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It would have been a song I would have passed
up otherwise probably.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah, No, I definitely. I. I don't know if you've
I do Chauncey's choice from my freakut around my birthday,
and I give all the performers, I asked them to
do a song. They could do more, they could do
their own songs afterwards, but just one of the songs
has to be my suggestion. And all of the performers
this past March, we're like, like, I'm I added that
(18:14):
song to my repertoire. Now you picked the perfect song.
You picked a perfect song. I was like. I was like,
I just I've been paying attention to your voices, and
I know what you can do.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
And I yeah, you have a very good ears.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
A very finality, you know, every sing influencing the children,
you know, yeah, educating them.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah, music, I have no training, you know, but I
I've always been a music lover. I grew up with
like everyone in my family had different taste in music.
So like, growing up, I heard it all.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
So I'm the same. I'm the same way my all
my family has different tastes in music.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Yeah. Like, so I would wake up in the morning,
my mom would be playing like du wop. My father
loved all the Italian you know, Angelbert, Humper, Drink and
Mario Cuomo. I'd just say Mario Cuomo, Perry.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Mario Perry croomo very cuomo.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
That was a weird Bardian slip. And then my brother,
my older brother had all like like the cure, like
all the good ship, you know. So but yeah, I'm
very excited for what you're gonna do me too. The
cast is very uh, you know, there's some there's some
regulars there, but there's a few people who haven't done anything.
Like Justice is doing a song that I he told
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me he's done before. It's kind of like a weird
twist for him to do this song. But also, are
you gonna be at the like before our our show,
Jace Vegas has a release party for his his pop
star music video, and there's a bunch of performers that
will be at that. So it's gonna be a full
house as soon as we walk in because their their
crowd will be there. So I'm excited for that. It's
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gonna be like the two parties are gonna kind of join.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Oh that's great. I'll have to show up early then
for that because I love I love the direction he's
he's taking and getting.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
A little edgy or and a little rougher.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Yeah yeah, yeah. Also just he also just seems like
so happy, right now I love to see that.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Yeah, he's he's, he's, he's a hard part. What's the
song that I just recently discovered by you? What's it
called again with the with the the game sounds in it?
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Boss Battle?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Maybe boss Battle?
Speaker 1 (20:08):
You?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Yeah, you gotta check it out, Biggas Valentine. Boss Battle.
It's really really really good.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Thank you. That was my like love letter to gaming.
I mean, me and my my friend Mick Twizz have
been wanting to work together for a long time, and
I we I just came over to his place in
New Jersey and we ended up like playing a lot
of like pinball and and and he's got a lot
of like those like arcade games in his basement and
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and we just started talking about our favorite games. And
then and then and I was like, well, why don't
we why don't we write a song like about that?
And so I just like played a couple of chords
on you know, on the keys, and I was like,
let's work with this. And he's like, oh, I got
an idea for a beat, and so he threw the
beat down and then we just like it just became
this sort of puzzle almost it became a game in
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and of itself, and so it really has that life.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah, definitely check it out. See if you're gonna love it.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
I'm gonna, I definitely am after after we're done recording.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna hop on the on
the inter interwebs.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yeah, interwebs. See, I'm the gaming and all the like,
you know, like anime and all that. It was a
little after my generation, so I'm always I'm fascinated by it,
But I never that wasn't something that when I was
younger was a thing, you.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
Know, right, it was at mainstream for a while, and
and and I think that, you know, having good people
around you is so good as a musician, having honest
people around you, because I for a long time I
was like asking myself the question, like, what's my audience?
What's my audience? And I think a lot of musicians
do that, and a lot of musicians. Musicians make the
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mistake of thinking that their audience is their friends, and
it's not the same thing at all. And a lot
of musicians tear their hair out trying to sell things
to their friends because their friends are not their audience.
Their friends don't listen to the same kind of music
that they make, and so I was asking myself like
that question, and my best friend of you know, twelve
(22:06):
thirteen years she said to me, She's like, I think
it's the anime kids. And so I've started to lean
into that more. I've started to like just sort of
make myself available in anime and gamer circles and the
cosplay sort of links up with that, and so it's
all part of the same thing, really.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
And they're they're a fierce fan group. They really are.
I mean they are. I haven't been I haven't been
to like an anime convention in many, many, many years,
but I mean they're they're they're pretty rabid. Yeah, they
I mean equivalent to like Madonna fandom.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Yeah, well, a lot of them are probably neurodivergent, so
that you know, like there's a lot of pattern recognition,
and you know.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
I've seen people drop serious money on figures and proplicas
and yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
It's I like the term neurospicy.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Yeah, yes, definitely neurospicy for sure. But it's such a
it's such a breath of fresh air when you're amongst
those kinds of people for an extended period of time.
I mean, like, you know, it's it's so because a
lot of them are so just honest and they don't
they don't have like these If they've had any preconceptions
(23:23):
about like what it means to like appear a certain way,
they've shed them and they're they're just like I'm just
showing up as me one and ten percent. And I
love that. I love that mentality, and it's something that
I'm kind of I'm trying to kind of unlearn how
to have those walls up and how how to have
the I'm trying to unlearn trying to present a certain way.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Yeah, I didn't really. I've always had friends who are
Madonna fans served my life, but just like not until
like MDNA, like twenty twelve did I meet like the
huge group of people that I know now that we're
just like we're like a little cults, you know.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
It is just nice to like being a room in
a room or at an event where people know the
references from like the little idiosyncrasies or like the little
like the trivia or like the little one. We know
what patulity is. We know Madonna sent to her album
with that, like we know all those little like we
grew up with that. And of course, because Madonna has
been around for you know, the debut album came out
forty two years ago. Right, all of us that are
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fans from the beginning, we have to be in our
close to our fifties, you know, we can't be any
younger because we would have We can't be younger than
our first album. But when did you first like start
your Well.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
I'm I'm definitely a millennial, so I'm I'm an older millennial.
But but I I think that the first the first
mention of Madonna was right around a vita, during during
the during vita. The first mention that sort of I
remember hearing was around a vita, But I wasn't really
paying attention to her until the kiss with Brittany, and
(24:58):
that was that was uh, it was kind of a
but it was but but it was a catapult for me.
That was it. It threw me headfirst into a deep
dive essentially, because first of all, I thought, uh, you know,
growing up around acts that were like brittany where, there's
(25:19):
a lot of lip syncing involved, and there's a lot
of like, uh, hearing Madonna sing so clearly and so
pristinely alongside. I mean that that's a good vocal. That
that Hollywood performance on the on the VMA's that's a
good vocal. And I just remember thinking, Oh, she she's
she's got some chops and and this is this is
(25:40):
a really like, this is a really like this is
someone who's got their toolbox together, you know. And so
I started to I listened a little bit to American Life.
But but but the thing that sort of plunged me
into the deep end was Ray of Light. That was
that I came across that while listening to her other stuff,
(26:01):
and I thought, oh, this is a full life experience
worth of uh. I mean, it's it's a full life
worth of experiences that this person is writing about, singing about,
talking about. And I just thought, this is such a
rich tapestry already for me to come in in the middle.
(26:23):
And and so I worked my way backwards from there.
I kind of well, I don't want to say I
worked my way backwards, but I went all the way
back to the beginning. After hearing Ray of Light, I
was like, Okay, this can't be this. This is the
same person that did like a version. This is the
same person that did material girl? How how did we
get here? And so then I went back to the
(26:44):
beginning and sort of worked worked up to Ray of Light.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
That's always the magic part of hers, that like sometimes
the transition, Like she would back in the day, she
would release a lot of a lot of like soundtrack
like songs. Yeah, the soundtrack song was like so apart
from the they were always amazing, but it was always
like worlds apart from the last single Ship put out,
like in between Justify my Love and Erotica was this
(27:09):
used to be in my playground, you know what I mean?
Like right, so it's like, you know, justinfa my Love
was just like sex band video, Filthy you know, there's
a Yeah video. And then she puts out this like
really sappy, uh nostalgic ballad, and then she puts out
this song about you know, I'll hit you like a truck,
I'll teach you how to fuck you know. I mean,
it's like she went she just tossed things, you know,
(27:32):
like a right, like a ball bouncing around. So it
was always like what is she gonna do next? What
is she can do next? And I think that's where
we're at right now because it's like she's had like
one of the longest breaks since Madam X was in
twenty nineteen and now it's like six years later. She
hasn't really had a break that long in her entire career, Right,
(27:52):
we need warm, we need new music.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Well that and that's so interesting hearing experiences from people
who have been fans, because I think that from like
looking at you know, from an outside perspective like I I,
it must have been such a scratch and claw for
her to be taken seriously, and for me as a fan,
(28:17):
I had no choice but to take her seriously the
minute I like became aware of her, because the first
thing that I consumed was Ray of Light. The first
thing that I consumed after that was was I probably
went back to Avida immediately after that. So I I
saw her being legitimate from the jump. And then and
then you know, my parents were like, well, you know,
(28:38):
she did this whole thing with the sex, and I
was like, wait, what, that's kind of that's actually kind
of ballsy, uh, you know, And and then I discovered
that I was like, oh my god, oh my, and
my jaw dropped. I was like, this is so bold.
It's such a it's controversial, sure, but it's it's bold
and to be somebody that explored subject matter like that
(29:00):
and then do a one eighty and be like earth
Mother is wild to me. So cool.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
But I remember at the time, though, I feel like
a lot of people across the board loved Ray of Light,
like that, the whole album, all the singles.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Like scooped everybody back that she might have lost.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Yeah, yeah, because I remember, even like when I was
in school, you know, and being the rabbit Madonna fan
that I was at that time. I remember like listening
to that album every day, like I'm on the bus
or you know, just talking about it in school. And
there were even a lot of people at school, like
(29:38):
kids my age, I should say, who like bought the
Ray of Light like single or bought the Frozen single. Yea,
So it was it was kind of like more widely
accepted and that was okay at that time.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
It very much could have been like someone's first album
too what for.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
A lot of people.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
I think it was people like my age, and I'm
assuming Vegas, we're probably around the same age. Maybe I'm
thirty seven, Okay, we're around the same age. Yeah, I
feel like maybe you'll you'll agree with me. Like after that,
I was, you know, running my mouth about Madonna prior
to Ray of Light, and people were like, oh, blah blah,
like now that like it wasn't cool, like for kids,
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she wasn't taken seriously, It wasn't like the cool thing
to listen to, right, so people didn't care, Like the
kids didn't care. Way of Light came out and it
kind of opened up I think it musically opened up
a lot of people to various genres and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
So right, the voice sounded so so different. It was
so fresh, vigorated.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
She sounds invigorated, she sounds she sounds wise energized. Yeah,
she sounds wise exactly. It's a lot of the best
way to describe it as maturity. It just sounded so
mature and aware.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
You know that that cabala.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
It's that cabal I mean, I mean, I think that
the bigger, for for sure, the bigger. And I noticed
this among a lot of woman artists is that whenever
they have a kid, something clicks it because they their
voice sounds better, or they're I mean a lot of
it is because they're practicing healthier habits. You know, they
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have to take care of nursing, of nurturing a life
inside of them, and so they probably quit smoking, they
probably quit drinking. But it's I've noticed it with Rihanna,
with Gwen Stefani, with a lot of like you know
women artists who have kids and then do another project.
You're like, something seems more centered now. It just seems
like it's less hungry. It seems like it's less like desperate.
(31:50):
It seems like right where it's meant to be.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
My experience with Ray of Life was there was used
to be a Sam Goodie on like on Sixth Avenue nearbor.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
My God, Last from the Past, samebody.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
And I knew the manager there and he invited me
and my friend Pedro to a listening party. So we
were sitting in this like big room upstairs and we
got to listen to the album like a few days
before it came out, and it was just like we
didn't know what, you know, Bedtime Story, the song definitely
like was the precursor, Yeah, like the gateway drug kind
of things. Yeah, that album. So you know, we we
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were going we were going club and at that we
were club kids at that time. We were going to
Limelight we're going to all the big clubs. Hearing Madonna
do that music was like so cool because we're like cool,
like we're gonna hear her wherever we go now, you know,
Like it was like in the nineties, all her songs
got remixed from bedtime stories and they ended up you know,
we'd hear them out in the clubs, all the remixes.
(32:46):
So like you heard Madonna, you know she was getting
a little darker, a little more like Edgier. That was
just such a beautiful, like apex of that journey of hers.
I always say that Madonna worship is kind of the
title is kind of tongue in cheek, but it really is,
like it's not only talk of cheek, it's like just
how could you not like this woman put like like NonStop.
(33:07):
She never really disappeared for any like Johanna Jackson disappears
and doesn't come up on an album for like six years, right.
Michael even took forever in between albums. I mean, Beyonce
has been very productive lately, but in the beginning she
would take a couple of years. But Donna was like
every two years. Every year there was something like new
that came out of a movie, a film she directed,
something else that she's in, a charity show, an awards performance,
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Like she just never stopped.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
And she's the She's was the first sort of mass well,
I mean her and Michael Jackson really were the first
sort of masters of being unavoidable.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
I think that's why a lot of people like got
sick of her, because she never gave anyone a chance
to miss her because she was just so inspired constantly,
and like, I don't think there's nothing wrong with that
to be constantly. You know, you see a film and
you want to now you want to write a poem
or we're going to write a song about that film.
Where you see this, you see this on the street
and you inspired to you know, you're you're a regular artist,
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everyday artist. You know, you're inspired constantly. Like I'll have
an interaction with somebody on the train or on the
bus and I'll be like wow, like that person was
like this and this and this, and then that leads
to like a character and a story that you created,
Like yeah, you're just open to it. She's you know,
she always claims she's not the best at everything, but
I think she's really good at her her strength is
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using whatever skill she has to their best ability.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Yeah, and it's funny. I mean, you were you were
talking about the title of you know, Madonna Worship and
and you know, the word worship to me always brings
to mind the church, which is kind of like it.
I mean, I've I had this sort of realization several
years ago where I realized that, you know, the meaning
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of the word church, uh in some in some sort
of inter rotations, just means a group of people that
sort of believe the same thing, you know. It just
means sort of like a And so I started to like,
there were certain there were certain There was this show
(35:14):
not not too long ago, back you know, back in
Trump turned one called uh called I Love You America,
and it was Sarah Silverman and she was basically she
had the Mister Rogers set recreated and she and she
was just like, we're just gonna be here together and
we're gonna make sense of this nonsense. And I was like,
(35:34):
this is not church, but it is the closest I
felt to church, like what I believe church to feel like,
like a collection of people that like believe the same
thing and feel that the same passionate way about something,
And so I've kind of released the word church from
being this institutionalized, scary, like trauma ridden religious thing to
(35:57):
mean just a something that can be good for you.
And so in that sense, Madonna worship has has sort
of scratched that part of my brain.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
But the kind of kind of is a church, Like
you said, can we get can we get tax exempt?
Speaker 4 (36:15):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Oh my god, that's a great idea that.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Johncey put put in for it. I want I want
tax exempt.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Listen. That's that's that's huge money. Because I have another
story like based on that is that I tried I
shot one of my music videos in a church. Great.
Uh it turned out great. Look it up Power and
Pride on YouTube. It's stylized Power x Pride, but uh
we shot it in a church, and and everybody's like,
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how did you get the how did you get the church?
And ultimately was a favor lent to me because I
was asking churches. I was asking cathedrals like uptown, can
you can you provide us this space? And one of
them almost said yes, but they were like, we were
being used as a COVID hospital space, so we can't.
But then another church said, uh, sure we can host
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you for seventy five one hundred dollars for four hours.
I was like, Uh, that's that tax exempt money, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (37:14):
It adds up. They really they really like money.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
They said, we'll let you shoot here, but God needs
to get paid, I know, which is so it's.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
So against what Jesus was all about.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yeah, well, I mean the nice try, Yeah, nice try.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
It was a nice try. I politely declined and called
in a favor.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Well, it's funny, is I recently joined the Sisters of
Petrol Indulgence in One of our sisters is a I
think a deacon at the church on Christopher Street down
across right near Tuget Donuts. So we get ready in
there sometimes that's like we call it the convent. But
it's kind of cool to have like a is that
a deacon? The other word pastor pastor? Thank you? I
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always say deacon, I mean pastor. He's one of the
pastors there, and I mean he's gay. So it's really
cool that that church has a gay pastor. You know,
even the one, the one by the Center is really
really LGBT friendly and run by a lot of LGBT
priests and nuns and sisters, et cetera. I mean, it's
New York City, it's expected, Yeah, I mean the whole
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and also like the whole idea of filming in a
church too, is that like did they did they know
what your song was about? Like did they ask like
that's that's that might be some of the liability that
they worry about, Like if you're doing like a anti
god music video in a church, you know.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
That's nervously I would mean that they would have asked
you like, well, what what what what do you do?
Like showing what you're doing?
Speaker 4 (38:44):
Well that And it turned out all they wanted to
do was see the lyrics, and the lyrics are like
fairly tame, to be honest, but what you were doing
was kind of sort of a truth to power, uh situation.
I mean, the the statement I was trying to make
is that even even in places that are supposed to
be sanctuaries, like you're not safe and and things that
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like institutionalized power can get away with is criminal as
absolutely criminal. So those those were the two sort of
things that I was trying to tackle.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
There definitely a bold moved to do that in a
church that was amazing right.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
Well, I'm so, I'm so glad we got it. But
but all they wanted to see were the lyrics. And
the lyrics I kind of conflated to be more about
I humanized them more. Instead of being about a powerful entity,
it was about like a powerful lover, you know that
that wouldn't let go if there need to be right
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
You know, Well, for some people, the church is their lover.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Right, Yeah, so it still applies.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
It definitely does.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
Great if they if that's what they took away from it,
then great.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
It's wild that this party started seventeen years ago though
at at Little Nowhere Bar in two thousand and nine,
I was doing a monthly party there and when August
came around, I was like, I think when June came around,
I did. I did a Prince and his Proteges night.
It was his birthdays in the beginning of June, and
it was all Prince and like Sheila, you know, she
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needs anybody that he worked with. And then when August
came around, I was like, well, I gotta do all Madonna.
But back then what's crazy is the party was only
songs from eighty six to ninety five.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
Really, oh really, weird.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Decade thing that I like restricted myself with, so I
could only play music that was released during then, you know,
which is fine, but it saved me when somebody came
up and sick and he played Beyond Sam'm like she
wasn't alive then, you know what I mean. Like, so
I had an excuse to only play like that was
the theme of the party, and like nobody could tell
me otherwise, Like nobody could uh people like that because
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they're like, oh, that's that's nineteen ninety six shit, you know,
like they would be like a few.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
But then when I it's a time capsule.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Yeah, the first Madonna, it wasn't called Madonna worship. Then
when I did my first Madonna night, I only played
songs that she released from eighty six to ninety five,
so it was only this is in two thousand and nine,
So I didn't play anything from Ray of light On
and I didn't play anything like a version back. So
it was a very tricky night to play because I
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wanted to play every Madonna song I ever had. So
then the following year, I think it was really the
full first Madonna worship and it was like it was
Madonna the whole night.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
So it was great and I congratulations on that, and
I appreciative and honor to join this lineup.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
I know it's it's seventeen years old, so it can
it can? What is it I legally allowed to do? Now?
It can't?
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Age of consent? I was, oh, seventeen, Yeah, I think
seventeen the age of consent?
Speaker 4 (41:49):
Where I thought it was eighteen?
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Hold on, maybe they changed it. Let's let's let's google it.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Let's esk.
Speaker 4 (41:55):
Yeah, with the information super highways at our fingertips, we
can each consent.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Let's see age of consent New York. In New York,
the age of consent for sexual activity is seventeen years old.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
Wow, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
I can bring that up on stage. That'll be fun.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
That's I mean, it's how appropriate for a madonn extine
in New Jersey. Yeah, we're where tonight, we're like a virgin.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
However, Tennessee is eighteen. I'm kind of surprised by that.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
That's weird. You would think it would be like twelve.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Virginia's eighteen as well.
Speaker 4 (42:26):
That might be why because I'm from Saint Louis and
so eighteen.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Missouriro Missouri oh missouriro.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
Now see listen, Like saying that someone from Saint Louis
is from Missouri is like, is like someone from Chicago saying, Hi,
nice to meet you. I'm from Illinois. It's just it's
not the same.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
That's funny. Yeah, I would never thank you for a
Missouri person.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
Well, it's a very Saint Louis is a very blue
city in a very red state.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
I not iways thought you were a West coaster.
Speaker 4 (43:01):
Really, what what do you what what specifically.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Makes you feel like chill kind of like creative but
like not like relaxed kind of vibe.
Speaker 4 (43:10):
Like oh cool, I love that I give that off.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Yeah, Like I know that you're insane and you you're
very and all that, but you know, you know you
kind of have a little bit of like a hippiness
about you.
Speaker 4 (43:24):
Yeah. Well that, yeah, that does track for sure.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
And I always think of that as like San Francisco,
San die Yeah.
Speaker 4 (43:30):
Yeah, no, I know exactly what you mean.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Now, So as I'm sitting here, I'm like, wait, no,
I never went to Saint Louis. I went to Kansas City.
Speaker 4 (43:38):
Oh that is the other big city.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
That's the other side. I've been to Kansas City, Springfield,
and Branson.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
Oh yeah, you've been to every city except for Saint
Louis major.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Yeah. St. Louis the same. Meet me in Saint Louis.
Yeah yeah, I like sometimes they call it Louiss and
iCal Lewis.
Speaker 4 (43:57):
Yeah yeah, people actually call it Louis there. Yeah. Yeah,
or they'll call it the lou or s cl the
lou Yeah, the lou like the bathroom, uh like like
the bathroom. Man, I didn't, I didn't. Oh my gosh,
I now I can't unhear that. Uh, but yeah, Saint
(44:19):
Louis is sort of like a like a little affectionate,
like like pet name. I guess that they give it sometimes.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
It's like it's very funny, like if you're if you're
from Jersey or Brooklyn or like Long Island, you call
Manhattan the city right that you could tell somebody from
around here if they call it, are you going to
the city site, Let's go to the city, right, Oh,
you're definitely from the Tri State area because people.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
There's there's very few other I've looked at a map
once that that sort of dissected all this, but there's
very few other I think there's like Boston is known
as the city, and then like I think Los Angeles
is the other the other big one in Chicago are
the other two. But but other than that, the only
(45:04):
the only place, the only places, those are the only
places where the city the words the city is used
without a distinction.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
I see, like up here where I live, because I
live far north, I'm all the way up in the mountains,
people will say the city, right, but I feel like
in Brooklyn, like I'm trying to remember, like like my
grandparents would say it, like I vaguely remember, like my
grandfather being like, oh, you're going to go into New
York today, like meaning I'm heading in, like you're going
(45:36):
into Manhattan.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
Yeah right, yeah, that's interesting, right.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
Interesting, Yeah, Like I mean, being from Saint Louis, you
just call it downtown.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Oh I gotcha, yeah, head and downtown.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
Yeah, I love it. I always I always wonder what
it was like, like when when like Madonna got dropped off.
Was it like late seventies, Like how different New York was,
how different Times Square was, Like you know, I mean,
I I grew up around here, so like coming into
Manhattan wasn't so far in so like but you know,
(46:09):
we went to more like the tourist areas or but
like when I when I was in high school, I
would start started hanging out in the village. But like
for to be from Michigan and then just be plopped
in the middle of Times Square right with all those
freaking you know, screens and lights and shows must have.
Speaker 4 (46:25):
Been yeah, yeah, I mean it was a lot more seedy,
and it was a lot more of.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
The little girl from Michigan, you know, a little five
foot four girl from Michigan, a dancer.
Speaker 4 (46:34):
You know, right they I mean, I mean like they
they ate her alive pretty much. I mean, uh, except
except they didn't.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
You know.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
I just always wonder like, how did she like finnagle
her way into like being part of like Boscot and
Andy Warhol and Keith Harrying, Like how did she really
managed to find her like her tribe seemingly fast.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
And think, you know, maybe we'll find out.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
Yeah, that's what I that's the part of it. I wonder, like,
you know, we got a little taste of it on
the tour, but it was kind of like the corny,
like the cliche version her getting into a club. But
she did talk a little bit about like with their Doppelgangers.
You saw the show, right, Vegas?
Speaker 4 (47:16):
Uh the No, I haven't seen her live ever once.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
Oh no, No.
Speaker 4 (47:23):
I know I've always wanted to, but it's just one
of those things I've never been able to make happen.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
Well, now you're a very strong rumor that when she
releases her next album, she's definitely going on tour.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
So oh that one. Good bye to your wallets kids.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
Yeah, that's making sure it happens because you have to
see her at least once. All right, well, I think
we should wrap things up.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
We wrap it up.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
We had a great, great chat with Vegas. Vegas is
definitely check out all his his music and his his
music videos and all that kind of stuff. He's very
I want to use the word thorough. It's not just
a song, it's it's it's a it's an you know,
an experience. So in Vegas and I definitely have been
wanting to work together. We just had it, really made it,
made it work out. I'm excited what you're gonna do.
(48:09):
I've kept I've been I've been teasing everybody with it
and letting them know that, oh wait till hear what
Vegas is gonna do. Because I don't want to. I'm
excited any any any pressure or anything.
Speaker 4 (48:19):
I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
I'm edged. I'm like, I'm ready.
Speaker 4 (48:23):
You're perched, your your present, you're sat. That's right.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
Yeah, we'll have to wait. We'll have to wait and see.
Speaker 4 (48:31):
Yeah, I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Yeah, it's gonna be fun. It's gonna be great.
Speaker 4 (48:34):
Thank you both for having me on today.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 4 (48:38):
Great to talk to you both.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
You know, we go and we go off on tangents,
and we learned that you you also love a tangent
as well, So.
Speaker 4 (48:45):
I love a tangent.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
But Vegas, where can I find you? On the internet?
Speaker 4 (48:50):
On Instagram, I'm Vegas Valentine Music, and then on TikTok
Vegas just Vegas Valentine in my Instagram. That's probably like
the the best gateway drug honestly for me, because I
have a link tree there and that from from there
you can see everything that I'm doing. I update that
pretty frequently.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
Like you're on the YouTube and whatnot?
Speaker 2 (49:12):
Right?
Speaker 4 (49:13):
Oh yeah, I'm I'm I'm definitely like my music videos
are all on YouTube. Those are great, like great content
to check out and I even have some live performances
up on YouTube as well.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
Perfect, yeah, perfect, Now everybody knows, we all know, we
have no excuse.
Speaker 4 (49:27):
Everybody knows. We got we got it out of the.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
Bag, cats out of the bag, and we're all gonna
we're all gonna we're all gonna go rush and follow you.
Speaker 4 (49:35):
Great sounds good. I look forward to to hanging out
with everybody.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
We'll see We'll see then Vegas.
Speaker 4 (49:41):
Yeah you will, thank.
Speaker 3 (49:42):
You, bye, thank you.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
Wow, what a chat that was.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
Vegas was lovely.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
Vegas is very lovely. He's very like in tune with
what he does. He loves what he does. He believes
in it. You know, he's really talented. A lot of
his music when I first met him, first started learning
about him, was very like orchestral and had a lot
of depth and like really interesting, like not just a
beat and a song. You know, it was very like
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well planned and orchestrated.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
So he's, oh, you know, and that's I was before
when I had said I love having guests. You don't
get to, you know, chat like this usually at a bar.
You know, we're at a gig, so it's cool to
hear what they have to say, pick their brain a little.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
He's a sweetheart too.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
He's very super sweet, super sweet.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
But like some of the things he does for the
Monday nights at Stonewall, it's like it's this little show
and he pulls together like a fierce look a whole
video presentation.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
It's like, wow, I can imagine I went through the Instagram.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
So he doesn't he doesn't play around. When he does something,
he does it before love that. Yeah, he's a great
guy and he's he'll be doing. I'm excited for you
all to hear what song he does from a semi
recent album, a post two thousand album.
Speaker 1 (51:11):
Deep keep it a surprise.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
I want to And he'll be at three dollars bill
for the Madonna Worship nights at seventeenth Annual. Also, I
believe there are a few tickets left. On Thursday the fourteenth,
I'm helping out. I'll be DJing an event at Iron Feather.
It's the Salon and Art Gallery Events Space in Soho.
The event is on party full, but it's if you
(51:33):
go to my bio at DJ Chompson d you can
check the links. I believe we still have some waiting
list tickets available. You got a ticket, right, I did,
I did, I got a ticket. I'll see you two
times that weekend.
Speaker 1 (51:44):
It's gonna be it's gonna be a Madonna weekend.
Speaker 2 (51:46):
Yeah, yeah, I love. There's a lot of other events
that are popping up about, you know, Madonna related on
the city that weekend, which I'm which I'm happy about
because there's there's there's room for everyone to throw Madonna party.
The more I have heard recently from several people that
Madonna Worship is the best mcdona party. So I'm not bragging.
I'm just repeating, you know, just repeating what other people
(52:08):
have said.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
Well, it's it's it's coming up. We got we only
got a couple couple couple weeks left. I have to
order more stickers so that way I have stickers to
pass out.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
Yes, yes, uh I'm Madonna Worship stickers. I need to
put more out around. I saw.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
I still I still have a couple, but I want.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
To have a bunch. I just have a bunch, but
we should definitely give them out just everyone. Yeah, and
I definitely like and subscribe to us, follow us on Instagram,
Stevie's at Stevie Box s T E V I E
vo x. We got Madonna worship of course, which I
need to start posting more on. I want to be
one of those Madonna pages that like they post something
up and immediately get like thirty thousand likes. And I'm
obviously DJ Shaun c D. We're available everywhere right where.
(52:47):
We're on Spotify, Apple, Apple Podcasts. There's a couple we're
like like pod bean, right yeah, Christian Mingle, Christian Mingle.
There's a there's a there's a like a para section
for us for podcasts. Yeah, it's it's it's really fun.
We just we just in March, we past our one
year anniversary, so we're well into our second year and uh,
(53:08):
let's keep it going. It's been great. Yeah, it's been wonderful.
Speaker 1 (53:11):
It's a lot of fun. I'm happy that everybody listens
and and I've gotten a lot of a lot of
really good feedback and a lot of really lovely comments from.
Speaker 2 (53:19):
People noticing the uh, the listens are getting higher and higher. Yeah,
it takes time. We just started it. It's just two
lifelong fans, you know, gabbing about Queen of Pop, Queen
in the universe, and you know, we just go off
on tangents. We start with a plan, but we don't
always we get through the plan. But there's just a little, uh,
a little garland and tinsel strewn about in between.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
The garland like Judy Garland.
Speaker 2 (53:43):
Like Judy Garland.
Speaker 1 (53:43):
Yeah, Judy Garland.
Speaker 2 (53:45):
Judy Garland. And I'm holding over the rainbow pin in
my hand. That are you?
Speaker 1 (53:51):
Do you have ruby slippers? I have ruby slippers.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
I have No, I don't have ruby stip I do.
Speaker 1 (53:55):
They're in my closet.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
You really do have ruby slipping I swear.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
And you know where I bought them out.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
Of the closet at the Ruby slipper store.
Speaker 1 (54:02):
No, out of the closet, the thrift store.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
Oh in California, Yes, yeah, twelve, twenty twelve. You were
in California?
Speaker 1 (54:11):
Was it twenty twelve? Yeah, it was twenty twelve when
I bought I like, I walked in and I saw them,
I was like, those are mine? Five point fifty. Didn't
know what they had?
Speaker 2 (54:19):
Five dollars and fifty cents.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
Five dollars and fifty cents. There are size women's fourteen wide,
that's my size. Well, you know what, if you ever
need if you ever need to borrow them.
Speaker 2 (54:29):
Put them in your will you died before me, I'll
get your ruby slippers. I'll click them three times and.
Speaker 1 (54:35):
I'll be Then you could wish me back alive.
Speaker 2 (54:37):
Yeah, that's what I'll tell you. Used that as a wish,
I say, like I want CV back. I mean you
might come back with like a missing eye or something.
Speaker 1 (54:43):
To sometimes come back, it might be a zombie.
Speaker 2 (54:46):
Yeah, i mean you'll definitely be a zombie because you'll
be dead. Yeah. Whatever, do you ever wonder what your
zombie version would do? That's speaking of tangents. Never mind,
I'm anxiously anxiously like I'm getting a little frustrated waiting
for just a taste of what she's gonna do for
the new album. Like I just want to snippet, even
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if it's not even the final product, just like.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
I think we'll find out soon.
Speaker 2 (55:12):
You know.
Speaker 1 (55:12):
There's like there's there's some things buzzing around.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
There's all these crazy rumors about her. She's not releasing
the song until the Devil Worst Product two comes out.
I'm like they just started filming that we're not waiting
a year.
Speaker 1 (55:24):
You know, maybe it's gonna be in the movie.
Speaker 2 (55:27):
Yeah, and then she just recently posted more pictures of
her with Stewarts. So I think we're gonna.
Speaker 1 (55:33):
Get like, sorry, my chair is creaky.
Speaker 2 (55:37):
I have a creaky chair too. I think we're gonna
get a taste of something sooner than later, maybe even
because November will be the twenty years exactly from Confessions, right, Yes,
so maybe we'll get like a hung that probably came
out in what like September September ish, Yes, maybe we'll
get I would have loved a new song for Madonna worship.
So Madonna, if you're listening to this.
Speaker 1 (55:59):
Need to go deliver a letter to her house or something.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
Yeah, let's just drop it off. I'm like, Hi, doing
a party in your honor that I do every year
for the past seventeen years. Would really love it if
you just sent me a new song. Thanks, thanks, XO XO,
thanks whoever you are.
Speaker 1 (56:16):
On that note.
Speaker 2 (56:17):
Yeah, we we should get go a great chat with
Vegas Valentine and next week we'll have next episode, we're
going to be speaking to another one of our performers.
Speaker 1 (56:26):
Maybe it is it a surprise, I hope so I
just love surprises.
Speaker 2 (56:31):
Yeah, it's a surprise. Well, for the next episode, we
have another performer from Madonna worship and it's gonna be
fun because it's nice to hear people who were exposed
to them down at different times of her career, like Vegas,
like Vegas's first, like my introm and MTV. Baby, I've
(56:51):
been with her from the beginning. We're a little later,
but Vegas. Can you imagine if Ray of Light was
your first, like your intro to Madonna, I'd be like,
holy shit.
Speaker 1 (57:01):
Was mine mind blowing? Yeah? See, like my intro and
I know I've talked about this on previous episodes. My
intro was The Immaculate Collection, like when it came out
like around that time.
Speaker 2 (57:14):
That was November nineteen ninety, right.
Speaker 1 (57:16):
So I was. I was a child, but I was.
I was a weird child. I didn't want toys. I
wanted tapes. I wanted music. I wanted That's not a
weird child I was. I didn't play it. Well, I
had toys, but I'd rather sit and listen to tapes.
Speaker 2 (57:31):
Yeah, I was definitely that was that was me.
Speaker 1 (57:34):
I'd rather watch MTV and emulate you know, Madonna and
Michael Jackson and dance.
Speaker 2 (57:39):
And I used to put the the afghan that my
aunt Mary made that was on our couch as you
put that on my shoulders and I spin around like
Steve Vie Nickson the standback video.
Speaker 1 (57:49):
Can you do that?
Speaker 2 (57:50):
Now? I don't have an afghan, but if you give
me an afghan, I'll.
Speaker 1 (57:53):
Get you one, a scarf of some sort, you know
I have scarves or else. See what we could do?
Speaker 2 (58:00):
Stand back, stand back good.
Speaker 1 (58:02):
That's a good song.
Speaker 2 (58:03):
I wonder if Madonna and her ever met. Probably, I'm
sure they had to do. There's another article about the biopic,
and there's just there's a lot of waiting right now
this you just waiting to see. I'm waiting. It's that
it's that interim time that's so like devilishly exciting, and
(58:25):
as a Madonna fan, which she's going to give us,
she keeps mentioning, you know, Confessions of Dancer book too,
and I'm like, it's just it's weird for her to
do that. I'm not completely excited about that part that
she's calling it that, you know, and she keeps referencing
that because you're working with Stewart, it doesn't have to
be a part two. But he did all the music
(58:47):
for the tour, right he was the musical Victor.
Speaker 1 (58:49):
You know what we will find out eventually.
Speaker 2 (58:51):
It's just just so excited. I'm like, I'm like, I'm
losing my mind.
Speaker 1 (58:55):
Like I said, we're going to write her a letter.
I'm writing her letter right now.
Speaker 2 (58:58):
Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna send her a Yeah Center telegram.
That's a great idea because she'll definitely she'll definitely read it,
listen to. All Right, Well, we're gonna we're gonna spit
on another episode really fast.
Speaker 1 (59:10):
So uh faster than usual.
Speaker 2 (59:12):
Yeah, faster than usual. We're gonna we're gonna spit them out.
But definitely check out. Also, I didn't finish up the
Iron Feather event. Is all I want to do is
talk about Madonna podcasts a live recording of it. So
those guys are gonna be there and we're gonna be
actually giving away tickets to Madonna worship that night a raffle.
So if you haven't gotten your tickets, which you should
(59:33):
have gotten them by now, and you come to that event,
you might be able to gift someone else tickets to
Madonna Worship the night after. But yeah, check out. All
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