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Speaker 1 (00:02):
In political assassinations and abuses of power in this country.
Her program relates the news of the week to political conspiracies.
Dialogue Conspiracy originates with KLRBFM in Carmel, California, and now
May Brussel.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
This is May Brussel. It's Dialog Conspiracy number two hundred
and eighty three and it's August twenty second, nine hundred
and seventy seven. I'm going to continue this week a
part two of Son of Sam, an intriguing case. I
discussed it last week on Dialogue Conspiracy aspects of that case,
and there's so much material coming in in the news media.
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I want to continue on that subject. The reason I'm
talking about Son of Sam in the two part series
and will be referring to him many many times in
the future, is that he, probably as of this day,
is the most perfect example of the CIA experiments of
mind control. I have named at various times on this program,
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maybe thirty or forty other persons that have been under
the control of the experimentation of people like doctor Jolly
West at UCLA or doctor Jose Deldado from Yale University.
But there are literally hundreds of institutions across the country
that can be involved in this process now, and there
are certain centers that can be pinpointed for training people
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to all their minds and change their behavior in one
of those places in South Korea. I also said last
week on Dialogue Conspiracy that the family of Stacey Moskowitz
should sue the police department in New York City and
Yonkers because their daughter was unnecessarily murdered. That the police
had evidence as early as June that David Berkowitz was
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son of Sam, that he had done these murders in
New York, and yet the police chose not to arrest him.
And it was identical to the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department
having evidence that the Manson family was going to do
a large massacre and protecting them from the law enforcement
arrest or going into the spawn ranch to get them
before Sharon Tate and the others in her home and
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Missus LaBianca were killed. After I was on the program
last Monday, the Tuesday newspaper across the country, the Associated Press,
announced that Missus Moskowitz were suing the Yonker's police department
four ten million dollars. They claimed that there was negligence
in the case of their daughter's death. They charged the
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police work with negligence and they knew as early as
April had evidence that David Bergowitz was the son of
Sam who's doing the murders. I had pinpointed to June,
a month before the last killing, but they have proof
as early as April. They said he should have been arrested,
that the police had certain leads which they didn't follow up,
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and if they had followed them up, their daughter would
be alive. Today. I mentioned that I would be sending
this two part cassette to the family of Stacy Burgowitz.
I also try to get Stacy Moscow. I'm also trying
to get the address of the Bergwitz family and send
them a copy of these programs and suggests that they
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have a lawsuit against the federal government for programming their son, David,
who signed up voluntarily to go to war and was
a typist in South Korea until he became a conscientious
objector and then was given the kind of LSD with
these many chemicals in that altered personalities of some of
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the most famous or notorious of our court cases today.
And he was a typical pattern and his crime was
that he became a conscientious objector and didn't want to
continue holding a gun or being in the service. I
called him the son of Sam, literally meaning that he
was the son of Uncle Sam, and that his referring
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to himself as Uncle Sam was because he was in
the control of the government and couldn't break that bondage.
That was last week on Dialogue Cospiracy August the fifteenth,
and then the Salt Lake Tribune had an article three
days later, August eighteenth, more indictments likely in the Son
of Sam murders, and it goes on to quote an
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army friend said that David Berkowitz adopted the name the
Son of Sam because he believed that he was a
pawn of the United States government symbolized by Uncle Sam.
Terry Peterson twenty four from McFarlin, Wisconsin, said in an
interview that they were best bundies in Korea, and when
David Burkewitz complained about what the army was doing to
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him over there, he took a lot of static. After
he filed those conscientious objector forms. I just tell I
would just tell him, well, you signed up, and now
you're just a son of Sam, said Peterson. What I
meant was that he was a soldier for Uncle Sam
and he was obligated to serve his country. But he
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took that to mean that he was a pawn in
the tool of a big game and that the establishment
was making him play it. I'm certain that's where the
name Son of Sam came from, and that is from
an army buddy. They used that reference that when he
wanted to get out of the army and they wouldn't
let him, he became their pawn. I'm going to give
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an example here on KLRB in a few minutes of
a man at Fort Ord who was listening to my
programs in May of nineteen seventy two and wanted to
get out of the army when Richard Nixon was heavily
bombing Cambodia. And I'll read you the psychiatric reports at
Fort Ord, California, and I saved this person from having
psychological tests and being sent to South Carolina and offered
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to help him with a court martial when he claimed
that the government was fouling over these people and lying
to them and conducting wars overseas like Louce and Cambodia
without the American people knowing it, and I was instrumental
in stopping his testing with drugs and psychologists of the
US Army when he was putting up the same kind
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of a fuss that David Burkwooz was doing in South Korea.
So I know that the government was interjecting with these
people that didn't like the war, that were already in
the service, and they didn't want them fragging officers. They
didn't want them joining the Vietnam veterans against the war,
and one of the alternatives was to turn them around
psychologically and then send them home as killers and make
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them go against their first feelings of anti war and
perform killings in America. In my article The SLA is
the Cia that I wrote in nineteen seventy four, I
talked about what Uncle Sam was doing to people inside
the prisons to test them, and also to people who
objected to the war conscientious objectors. But I mentioned that
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the experimentation and the hypnosis programs had been going on
for quite a few years in prisons and mental hospitals
for fifteen years. I mentioned an inmate from Vacaville Medical
Facility who wrote to me through Kazapp. He listened to
my shows that were playing up at Kazap at the time,
and he told me that employed persons at Vacuville were
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holding down prisoners against their wishes, while two officers by
the name of Auctine and Rudahl he referred to mister
Rudell as a gestapo, were administering double doses of some
medication that were for the specific purpose of making distinct
changes in their personalities. This was happening in California, and
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I knew about this in nineteen seventy four and wrote
about it, and just August the second, nineteen seventy seven,
three years later, the New York Times had a full
page article on the specific intent of the ciaight to
al their personalities and that Vacaville was one of the
places they were doing it. I wrote in nineteen seventy
four that over the past year I have accumulated evidence
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of mind altering methods and how they pertained to the
past political assassinations. The United States has financed psychosurgical experiments
in Boston by doctors Mark Urban and doctor Sweet, and
now they are spreading around the country and also overseas
in places such as South Korea. Plans exist. This was
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in nineteen seventy four to turn large masses of population
into zombies to be used for future slave labor and
also for kamikaze war troops. The prisoners became experimental scapegoats.
Doctor Jose Delgado, funded by NASA and Navy Intelligence, came
to the United States in nineteen fifty and he had
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lived under Franco Spain's administration and helped with brain surgery
and began experimenting with electrode implants to order persons to
act against their own will. Doctor Delgado had perfected these
electrodes quite a few years ago and was given at
least a million dollars by the Justice Department, Health, Education
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and Welfare, Navy Intelligence, and NASA. And when you think
of some of the saying, you have to go back
to the quotation which I had in my article, which
was from the Congressional records of February nineteen seventy four,
of doctor Delgado, And this goes back to the motives
of why they tested Sam. Right now, David Berkwitz is
watching the flint Stones, watching television, very happy, laughing, ening
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three meals a day, sleeping at night like a baby,
enjoying himself, not aware of any of the trauma he's
been into and yet saying that he is under the
control of these people, various people, and names them. And
this motive for testing people like the son of Sam
was stated in the congressional record. This is what doctor
Delgado said, and I think it's worth repeating every few
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months on the ears that you understand the motive behind this.
He said, we need a program of psychosurgery for the
political control of our society. The purpose is the physical
control of the mind. Everyone who deviates from the given
norm can be so surgically mutilated. The individual may think
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that the most important reality is his own existence, but
that is only his personal point of view that lacks
historical perspective. Man does not have the right to develop
his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal.
We must electrically control the brain so that someday armies
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and generals will be controlled by electric stimulation of the brain.
That's doctor Delgado, who came here from Spain and has
been working on these techniques and heavily funded by the
federal government. I also mentioned in the article that the
van that was purchased a fictitious name for the SLA
when they went from San Francisco to Los Angeles for
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the shootout, was under the name of Ricky Delgado and
wondered if it was dedicated to the man who wanted
to destroy minds and then eventually a few weeks later
they destroyed their flesh. Well, there was a man who
lived one below David Burkwoitz in New York City by
the name of Craig Glassman. He belongs to Westchester County
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Sheriff's Deputy Department. He lived on the sixth floor, same window,
right down below, and this is the note that was
pinned to his door, slipped under the door by David
Burkewitz shortly before he was arrested. He said, Craig, you
will be punished. How dare you force me into the
night to do your bidding? True, I am the killer,
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but Craig, the killings are your commands. The streets have
been filled with blood, mister Glassman, at your request. They
asked Berkowitz why he targeted mister Glassman for these messages,
and he said that he was under the control of
this man. They asked mister Glassman, the sheriff, why David,
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the son of Sam believed that he was manipulating, and
his reason was I just happened to move in beneath him.
He probably saw me in my uniform. Now Here is
a sheriff from the New York area, from Westchester, the
county right next to where the killings took place, and
David Burg, which is one of the most notorious criminals
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in the New York City that had nine million people
terrorized for one entire year. So it's hardly likely that
he'd be sending letters to a sheriff. He would be
very silent, or maybe he'd change his apartment if a
law enforcement man moved in right under him and he
knew he was a sheriff. It seems that he would
change his location because if a murder took place and
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they saw him coming in late at night, they would
know that he wouldn't have a cover for being in
that night. The logic that the sheriff there got letters
because this killer saw him doesn't make sense. Craig also
sent letters to the Yonkers Police Department telling about his
killings and bragging about his killings and scaring them. And
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it's at the Younger's Police department where mister Sam Carr's
daughter was a full time patcher. Sam Carr is the
man that lived downstairs in a house next to the
apartment seven floors below, who had the dog that the
son of Sam said was bothering him and that he
had shot, and by calling attention to himself to a
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man whose daughter is the full time dispatcher for the
Anker's police, where all information would come in about son
of Sam, or to ndagonize or burn the door of
the man below him doesn't make any sense at all.
The police department was around him everywhere, and he was
in direct contact or antagonizing these families, and nobody had
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fingered him. The motive for these processes the kinds of
terrors that are taking place in this country. Number one,
are to spread terror and it keeps people off guard.
Number two, it's good for election years. Mayor Beam in
New York is literally beaming this article about how the
capture of son of Sam helped him. He jumped right
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in and accolades to the police. Even though many murders
had taken place and people had been blinded and permanently
crippled by this. Maror Beam came in a year later
and was proud of his men. It also tests comic
Kazi troops. That the stated purpose of the CIA for
some of their experiments to get people who are willing
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to die. The cha Chilla defendant Frederick Woods had said,
if you arrest me, I'm going to die, and David
Burke whit said I'm going to die. They haven't killed themselves,
but they are testing these people to do murders and
take chances because they can be used as future armies.
There also were a lot of antisemitic reasons for using
David Burke Whitsby, and it was done for the same
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reasons that Jack Ruby was used to kill leaving Harvey
Oswald or Bernard Weisman was used to put his name
on the end the day that John Kennedy was killed,
and we'll go into that more the political overtones of that.
But every July TV gets pretty dull. The summers are
an exciting time for crime in America. The math media
plays it up, and I believe it's synchronized. And if
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you don't believe it, mark your calendar for next July
and August nineteen seventy eight and wait for the next
media events. We're running out of motion pictures such as
Jaws and The Towering Inferno and Roller Coaster Airport, The Exorcist,
and Earthquake. Now you have TV movies on the John
Kennedy assassination coming up by Laurence Shiller, on the Martin
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Luther King assassination, the Chow Chillis story, the Gary Gilmour story,
the Son of Sam movie. We've had the Boston Strangler
in Cold Blood. The sla sequels are coming up on TV.
The movie The Manson Family got a lot of play,
and yet every single one of these media events is
unsolved as of today and could be solved. The Los
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Angeles Times an article yesterday, August the twenty first. It
says the Sam Circus ending its long run on the
streets of New York. The man, they say, the Son
of Sam, watches reruns The Flintstones, but he had a
lot more risk. It says, this circus went on, it
sold millions of newspapers, It occupied hours of airtime during
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the dog days of summer, when much of the city
normally operates at half speed, and it goes into the
thousands of dollars of contracts and money made. Headline articles
How I Became a mass Killer by David Berkowitz offering
five hundred dollars for a certain letter, fifteen thousand dollars
for other army documents of David Burkwoitz, and hundreds of
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thousands of dollars for tapes made immediately after he was
arrested by a man who has still not explained how
he got into the jail, and this has become a
big business. It's important to know that also the police
department was very careful, even though Theyonker police department was
in on the story and could have made the arrest.
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The Los Angeles Times goes into the fact that the
New York Police Department announced twenty five promotions for the
officers who worked on the Sun of sam The deputy
Inspector Dowd was promoted two grades to deputy chief. His
top assistant, Captain Joseph Farelli, was promoted a deputy inspector.
Joe Strana was promoted from detective third grade to detective
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second grade. Edward Zigga went from second grade to the
first grade. Two police officers who wrote the ticket for
David Burkewit were promoted to detective third grade, and the
Yonkers police officers who actually broke the case and had
the information were invited to the promotion ceremonies. They received
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a commentation certificate from Mayor Beam. They were very bitter,
they said, because they were the ones who made the
break in the story. And the Los Angeles Times goes
on to say that the New York Police Department wouldn't
possibly let the Yonkers cops win or take credit for
the case. They said, the two Yonkers cops who worked
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in the case, who passed the information onto Burke with
to the New York Police intelligence were not notified even
of the impending arrests. The New York Police had worked
in this case and they wanted to bring in the
most notorious criminal, and they didn't want to take a
chance allowing a modest suburban police department to share the
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big place of the limelight. It was worse than that.
They didn't want to take a chance that somebody else
would bring in the son of Sam. But they wanted
to make sure that all these promotions were in line
and the whole team, many many of them, were promoted.
I said last week on Dialog Conspiracy that it was
time for the police to close in on this case.
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They could have done it, is said June. The family
has evidence in April. But they couldn't wait for that
big massacre, that big last minute bra who that he
was going to do at the discotheque, because evidently the
links of the son of Sam to police negligence would
be just too overwhelming. Again, the links of the Manson
family of the military, if exposed, would cause a lot
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of consternation. It had to be the sheriff Pitchers who
picked them up, released them even after Sharon Tate had
been killed, and sent them out to the Barker Ranch,
away from the Spawn ranch. The police have a way
of ending the capture if the time is due, just
like they had a way to bring in Patty Hurst.
When other law enforcement agencies or other persons get in
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on the case, then the large police department who's behind
it in the first place, has to bring in the
suspect because the capture is as dramatic and as important
to the police psychology as the crimes themselves. The big
story was that the traffic ticket in front of the
fire hydrant broke the case, but there were other reasons
bellyeve that the case would be broken, and one reason
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they couldn't allow the yonkers of police or private individuals
to bring it in. Was that the mafia were going
in for the son of Sam, just like the mafia
under Mickey Cohne, We're going in to find Patty Hurst.
The New York Posts said that a powerful mafia chief,
Karmen Lante, said that his people within organized crime would
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find the killer. That he was outraged by the death
of Stacy Mokowitz and Moskowitz and he would send in
the mafia. When the mafia finds the killers and the
police don't find the killers, that's not very good for
the New York Police Department, nor would they get their
large promotions. Private vigilantes were being formed in New York
to take care of the matter because the police had
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been negligent and now the documentation proves that they were negligent.
And just like JJ Arms of private Detective said that
he could find Patty Hurst for one hundred thousand was
getting ready to find her within three weeks, and Mickey
Cone of the Mafia was to find her. Then Charlie
Bates of the FBI had to make the grand sweep
and bring her in. Even though he stood on national
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television the day that Patty Hurst was found and said
that he didn't know how they located her, and I
believe that they knew all along where she was, and
the hoax was over. The whole SLA story terminated, or
part of it terminated when Patty Hurst was brought in
on that day, because they couldn't allow her to get
in the hands of some small jail where she wouldn't
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be tapped or bugged, where her messages wouldn't be taken
and published and sold. And they had to be sure
that they had the place to put her in and
the proper people to set the propaganda mill. Going a
little further about Patty Hurst and what she had to
say to her friends, the actual capture of Son of Sam,
or the story of some of Sam is hinges upon
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five different sources of information which will not be put
in the Meredith book the publishers that's coming out. The
first is missus Cecilia Davis. She was an Austrian born
woman who got citizenship in nineteen fifty seven in the
United States who lived one block from where Stacy Moskowitz
was killed. She's the woman who saw looked eye to
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eye to David Berkowitz the night of the killing and
saw him carrying a package and claims that she didn't
tell the police or anybody for days, and she is
the one who said she saw the cop put a
ticket on the car. The real role about missus Cecilia
Davis and how she came to this country or what
she does is very important to the capture story. The
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next important subject is Craig Glassman, the sheriff that lived
below Berkerwitz, and the third one is Sam Carr, the
gentleman who had the American flag flying seven stories below
David Bergwitz who had the dog, and Sam Carr's daughter,
as I said, was a dispatcher at the Yonkers Police Department.
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It would be interesting to know the relationship of Sam
Carr to the person who rented a room up a
new ro shell to David berg Woitz before he moved
to Yonkers. These people corresponded with each other, they got
to know each other. They had informed the police department
about the situation, and their relationship to this particular victim
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is as important as the relationship with Lee Harvey Oswald
to the rooming house where he stayed at early in
Robberts or his rented rooms at the YMCA, and his
locations at the home of Ruth Payne and the Dallas
Fort Worth area. The housing of these agents is important
to the story. Also, the army friend of David Burgwood's
in Houston, Texas that supplied the gun for the fatal shootings.
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He went all the way to Texas, met an army
buddy who gave him the guns, and he said then
he came home until one month later when he received
his orders to kill. Also, the psychiatric records from the
army would tell the whole story. When he wasn't court martialed,
then what did they decide to do with him? And
under the Freedom of Information of the Decency Act, the
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Army says, we won't release profiles or stories of these defendants,
army records or psychological reports. Yeah, instead of giving the
exact reports of this person, they don't show any shame
or embarrassment to make psychological profiles that have no basis
in fact, or have photographs of the room with evidence
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that could be as planet as Arthur Bremer's apartment with
Bob Dylan records on the floor and dirty writings on
the wall like the SLA left their apartment in San Francisco,
and pornographic literature. Arthur Bremer's apartment again and tried to
smear the left and not the left use of the pornography.
But the Dylan records lived there is like the Angela
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Davis books left at the apartment of Arthur Bremer, and
of course the notorious diaries in all these cases. But
the real story of some of Sam will come in
the background of Missus Cecilia Davis, Greg Glassman, Sam Carr,
the friend from Houston who supplied the gun and the
actual army records. But instead of that we get this
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barrage of propaganda that comes out over the media, newspapers,
and we'll be in movies and books for a long
long time to come. Mister Berger was, as I say,
rented a room in New Rochelle. He moved out of
it after two and a half months, and he complained
about a dog at the house. He went on to
be an auxiliary policeman with the New York Police Department,
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then worked for the federal government in the Post Office Department.
He lived one story about Craig Klassman, who was an
auxiliary deputy sheriff, and he passed daily or had contact
with Sam, who he said was also programming him, whose
daughter was the full time police dispatcher for any information
coming over about son of Sam to the Younker's Police Department.
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For a man who was doing these killings and who
was so notorious and hiding himself from everybody. He was
sending letters that were in the hands of police agents
and police persons and sending his handwriting to mister Preslent,
a newspaperman on the Sheriff's Department, neighbors, an old landlady
who had the room this one house, Jana and jack
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A Sarah, writing them crazy threatening letters and writing Sam
Carr letters, all of them identifying them with this crazy killer.
And yet he's in the midst and in the arms
of police and government agents all around. It's interesting at
the time he was captured after leaving all these letters around,
and I mentioned this last week that when the time
to bring him in is due and the New York
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Police are going to make this great entry and get
all their promotions, all they had to do was to
go to his car, which is parked downstairs and he's
seven floors upstairs, and find a forty five caliber submachine
gun and a four page letter that positively identifies him
to all the other killings which he easily could have
taken with him, and then he walks out of the
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apartment carrying his forty four caliber pistol, and the case
for all purposes then is supposed to be closed. It's
very strange, all the letters he was writing and all
the people linked to the police departments. As I say,
the most obvious case of mind control that I've seen
so far is the story of this David Burke with
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Donald of Fries was a victim of this. Joseph Romero
of the SLA who went Vietnam and came home and
had the same kind of treatment, was a victim of
the LSD government mind control program. And also I've referred
to a book called The Smith Conspiracy, which is an
interesting book. I don't have the name of the author.
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I couldn't find it on my shelf today. It must
be moved around, but you can look it up in
a bookstore or librari. It's called the Smith Conspiracy. It's
about a man who was in Vietnam and objected to
the anti war protesters at home and the people that
didn't go along with the war, and they showed him
pictures of these protesters, and they also had him experience.
Several of his friends blown up in the war movement.
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So this person was taken into a mind experiment program.
And he came home and was married, and his wife
knew that his personality was changing and he was under hypnosis,
and she went to his doctor. But the doctor also
worked for the CIA, for the government. And the point
was that they were going to kill a black leader
at Hunter's Point and showed him and they were programming
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this man for Karmakazi killing. But the way they test
them was to take him to an animal shelter and
take out a dog and kill the dog and test
him on killing the dog. And in this case, David
Berkus was at the animal shelter at New Rochelle or
Westchester County with another person who's in the company of
another person. He wasn't alone. He complained of a dog
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in a room that he rented from this one party.
He shot the dog of Sam Carr down below, and
the dogs figured in part of the mind control, triggered
something off in the program for his mind. Now there
were things that he said besides the fact that he
charged Craig Glassman was sending him out in the streets
to kill as soon as he was arrested. You've seen
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these quotations. I was out to kill. It was my job.
Sam told me to do it. Sam sent me on
the assignments. I had to do what I had to do.
I had to take orders. I got orders through Sam
Carr's dog, which sounds a little ridiculous until you believe
or can understand that there is a possibility that with
electrode implants, he could hear the dog bark and it
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could trigger him off. Because Sam car lived seven floors
below in a house around the corner, and David Burke
was was on the seventh floor. There wouldn't be any
reason for a man in youngers living up in a
building on the seventh floor to even worry about a
neighbor's dog. He couldn't even see that dog. He wouldn't
even have to pass it when he went to the
work the post office. All he had to do was
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to go around another corner and he wouldn't know Sam
Carr had a dog unless he was electronically controlled with
an electrode implant and the dog barked. Because there was
no reason in the world for David Burke was to
even see the dog. If you were in an apartment
building with him, it would be different. But the same
man whose daughter was a police dispatcher at Yonker's where
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all this was taking place, lived seven down in a
house around the corner, so he couldn't even hear that
dog from his apartment, or even though the man had
a dog, or no reason to shoot that dog unless
he had the electrode implants so that he was told
to do it, such as Lawrence Kwong and San Francisco,
who went to a detective twenty times and said, I
kept hearing kgo, and he had been in hospitals and
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had the entire profile of somebody with electrode implants, and
then finally went to the window and made an attempt
to kill Jim Dunbar, then went around and killed Ben Munson,
went around the front of the building, and he kept
hearing kgo. And there'd be no reason for Lawrence Kwang
to hear anything anymore than David Bergwitz, except that Sam
Carr's dog could have had the sounds upstairs on the
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seventh floor. He said that he's commanded by this party
who lives way downstairs. He said, I didn't want to
kill men. I wanted to kill women. He was out
to kill them, and he said he would drive around
until he got a sign or instructions of one to kill.
And when he got the sign and everything was right,
he says, I was told what to do. They told
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me to kill when I got the sign that I
would kill. Do you show remorse for killing seven innocent people?
Speaker 3 (31:12):
No?
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Why should I? He said, I was commanded and that
is consistent with getting orders as I say. Joseph Romeiro
of SLA was in Vietnam. He was a member of
the one hundred and first Airborne Division. He signed up
for duty twice and came home. He was originally a
pacifist and then became a killer and killed doctor Marcus Foster,
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the head of the Oakland Superintendent Oakland school Board. The
white Man lived who was shot, and doctor Foster was killed.
Joseph Romiro said he began to take a lot of drugs.
He couldn't get out of his house without completely being
drugged out of his head. Joseph Romiro is now at
Sanquin Prison working with the White Arian Brotherhood consistent with
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the Nazi threat threats that they would kill this school leader,
doctor Marcus Foster, the mystery of these murders is never solved.
The problem is always open. The motives are unclear. The
New York Daily News and the New York Times Washington
Posts say the problem is solved, but the questions still remain.
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The questions will still remain until we go into the
army programs. David Berkwitz enlisted in the army and by
nineteen seventy four he had a total personality change. He said,
I went through a vast transformation and had to do
with acid and the LSD tests. He also wrote letters
saying I want to be a conscientious objector. I don't
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want to be in the army. He wrote a letter
saying that he was renouncing his religion of being a Jew.
He is going to become a Baptist, but he said,
wrote letters. Blessed are the peacemakers, for they are the
children of God. He said. Drugs and a decision not
to carry a gun in the army turn an unnoticed
youth to a militant dove. The only thing on my mind,
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he said, his drugs and music and pollution and poverty
and peace and love. I can't wait till tomorrow, he said,
I want to escape this loudy life, and he had
an obsession well in Korea against war and gun. He
objected to being taught to fight. He said, they taught
me to fight. They taught me weapons, demolition, riot control,
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and self defense. When he actually went over as a
typhist and he sent letters on how he hated the
army and he thought he was going to be court
martialed and he had an aversion to the entire war system.
But instead of court martialing him, they didn't do that
to him. They sent him to the psychological area of
the army psychiatrists and did a job on them. This
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one letter that he wrote about his love for people,
how he loved people, and he said, I want to
get out of this. I want to make love to
the world. I'd love people. I don't belong to the earth.
And he said that he got orders to kill and
he didn't want to because he said, I love people.
And that goes to what happened out here at Fort Ord.
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And as I say, in nineteen seventy two, we're talking
about David Berkhitz, the son of Sam, who was in
South Korea nineteen seventy two to seventy three, and I
want to tell you about this particular person who was
in the army. His name was Kenneth Armstrong, and on
May the ninth, nineteen seventy two, he was teaching individual
tactical training. This is from an Army report from the
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Pentagon out at Fort ord and On. He was teaching
how to murder and killed. When President Nixon escalated the
Asian War, he put down his pencil and his instructions
and said, do you know what happened last night? President
Nixon's decision to blockade North Vietnam was wrong. That's why
we're having riding in this country in Berkeley and Colorado,
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the Bank of America Pacific grow. I'm not going to
give this class today because I don't believe in killing.
If I'm sent back to Vietnam, I won't go. If
I go, I won't fight. I will never take a life,
even in self defense. He said. The Associated Press United
Press are controlled by the government. They put out only
news that the government wants put out. They don't put
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out correct information. The army is supposed to be the
best informed in the world, but it's not true. He said.
I listened to Earth News and Zodiac News, and as
a woman he referred to May Brussel, a radio personality
who has a program at four o'clock on Saturdays. We
used to be on Saturday. I met and spoke with her,
and she talks about the Kennedy assassinations and about opening
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the archives, and about Lee Harvey Oswald being an agent.
And he went on to say that he didn't want
to serve the army anymore. Ford Or wrote up a
report he no longer enjoys his work in the service.
He feels isolated, and the reason he's compelled to beat
his wife. They began beating his wife, which was an
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untrue story. Is that he's disturbed, misinformed, easily led, and
basically a passive person. He conversed with me, this is
the army officer that the government is corrupt because it
does not represent the people. The people do not war
want war. President Nixon is making the war, and the
war continues and is morally wrong. Sergeant Armstrong does not
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have a security clearance, but he has been banned now
for further instruction of tees at Fort Ord and I
recommend psychiatric counseling to assist with his living in peace
with himself and the world. As he perceivees it. It
is affecting his job and his family. He was married
and had two little children, and his emotional security. If
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he cannot resolve his inner conflicts. I recommend whatever action
is deemed appropriate to assure the Army an honest day's
work commensurate to the rank he occupies in the pay
he's receiving. Signed Don Markham, Major Infantry, Chief Combat Division,
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and they ordered him for psychological mental hygiene consultation at
Fort ord and they were going to ship him out
of the state. And they said, let's go into his
early home life, his feelings, his relationships with his wife,
and the most admired male in his early life and
find out who he liked well. I advised mister Armstrong
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that I would represent him in the court martial and
bring the facts to the case. So they dropped the
court martial, just like David Burkewitz was going to be
court martialed in South Korea. They then wanted to send
him out of the state, and they called him to
the psychiatrist. I gave him my tape cassette and told
him to take down everything he says did the army
psychiatrists because they'll write a profile on him like they
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did on Lee Harvey Oswald or David Burkewitz, to make
him look crazy because he objected to this insane war
that was going on in Southeast Asia. He took the
tape cassette there and the officers at Fordorth that mental
health said, don't you trust me? Are you paranoid? He said,
don't put it down in the records. I'm paranoid. He said.
I don't know you, and you don't know me, and
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I want to make sure that what you write is
what I said. And I have tape collection. In my
tape collection, I have the recordings that he took with
the army psychologists and they said, well, you can leave,
come back next week. And they put them in a
room where the tape recorder couldn't be attached, where there
was no electricity. They put them out in a shed
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with no electricity, and then would let him record the
conversation with the army psychiatrists, and wanted to send them
I think at South Carolina. I have the name of
the state and further papers at home in my files.
They wanted to send them for special psychological training out
of the state, and we objected and I came to
his assistant at the time and said that they would
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do a mind control job on them. And this was
in nineteen seventy two, and I'd been on Dialogue Conspiracy
a year starting in May of nineteen seventy one, and
I'd built up an audience at Fort Hour, the people
that this is nineteen seventy seven, that was five years ago,
that were aware of these mind jobs that were happening.
And if I knew David Who, if he were out
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here at Fort Ardon, maybe we could have prevented those
six murders in New York and that slaughter of this
program Zombie. I've been studying this a long time, and
that's why I wanted to do a two part show
on Son of Sam, because I understand what the Army
was doing. I was right in the middle of it,
just like I objected and strenuously put up a battle
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to save the mind of Robert Hyde at Vackavelt when
he was going to go psychosurgery because he knew too
much about the John Kennedy assassination and the Robert Kennedy assassination.
And this was one of my prouder moments in terms
of being practical in terms of the research. A lot
of people say, why are you doing this work? What
is the purpose? What are your goals? And some of
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these individual relationships I've had with men in prison or
the men in the army where I've tangled the powers
that be, such as the Presidio trial out at Fort
RD at the time the men were charged with treason.
I got into that and was calling the White House
in the Navy Department and active in that the research
can be used in a practical way where you do
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touch people's lives. And I was able to help this person.
And what happened was they gave an honorable discharge and
got him out of the Army and didn't send him
away for a mind control job. And I sent a
letter to Major Markham. I have a copy here. It's
a six page letter in which I stated some of
these facts. I said, Major Don Markham recommends that Kenneth
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Armstrong be given psychiatric counseling to assist him in living
with peace and himself in the world. Is he perceives
that Kenneth Armstrong is going to psychiatrist only as part
of a routine severance as a conscientious objector nothing about
his childhood, or his parents or family, or sex life
or dreams or fantasies. Is any of your business except
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the nightmare that he has about the killings in Vietnam.
Those were placed upon him by serving in the military
and would be a litle dominated when his uniform is
taken off. If the military is affecting his job and
his family and his emotional security, I suggest that you
release him from the Army. This recommendation that you take
whatever action is appropriate to ensure he gives the Army
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an honest day's work appears to be a threat and
a lack of total regard for complaints listed by Kenneth
Armstrong and against his being in the service as a
human being. This sounds like a master slave order and
not an intellectual analysis of a person's needs or attitudes. Sincerely,
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May Brussel. That was a conclusion of a five page
letter to Major Markham at Fort Ord And then this
particular person was released from the military. And this has
been going on for a long time. The son of
Sam is Uncle Sam's baby, and there's a lot more
like them, and the streets will be filled with terror
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and violence and killing unless we really try to solve
these problems. Well, I think that's enough. Next week will
probably conclude a little bit on some of Sam and
then go into the death of Elvis Presley and other
news that's pertinent of the week. This is May Brussel
and Carmel, California. It's dialogue conspiracy and I'll see you
next week, howe ball as well to see you next week.
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This is a.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
Truth well too.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
So we're driving down sixty car in front the Renault.
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It's not behind, it's not for there is a true
how think's happened.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
It was yesterday, it was in eighteen ninety four, and
it's tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Not a two come true.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
It'll be another truth in store for those who think
it is no true.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Point of view. We'll mock us up by the ball.
The only ball, gentleman, the.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
Resident just enjoyed. So you should not in sight play.
And the same wasn't no Vember night.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
I heard the screaming wars New America.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
To change her name.
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Would not say you and I are about you.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
Call three things enemies.
Speaker 4 (43:22):
You are clearly now the enemies.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
And we will do when we must definitely keep it
free like I'm pray m She must sing m they
must slave. You must have heard, and we will never
many rise again. The light behind the fact that you
gave the word.
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They can just blow us down.
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They who are the arch and me become.
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Ours are free.
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The tender world are enough, the climate soul.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
So you and I would disagree the truth. Things in basery, crime,
reduce a comps.
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Stars from same sun.
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Is truth before the blind who were fa my mind
truth
In political assassinations and abuses of power in this country.
Her program relates the news of the week to political conspiracies.
Dialogue Conspiracy originates with KLRBFM in Carmel, California, and now
May Brussel.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
This is May Brussel. It's Dialog Conspiracy number two hundred
and eighty three and it's August twenty second, nine hundred
and seventy seven. I'm going to continue this week a
part two of Son of Sam, an intriguing case. I
discussed it last week on Dialogue Conspiracy aspects of that case,
and there's so much material coming in in the news media.
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I want to continue on that subject. The reason I'm
talking about Son of Sam in the two part series
and will be referring to him many many times in
the future, is that he, probably as of this day,
is the most perfect example of the CIA experiments of
mind control. I have named at various times on this program,
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maybe thirty or forty other persons that have been under
the control of the experimentation of people like doctor Jolly
West at UCLA or doctor Jose Deldado from Yale University.
But there are literally hundreds of institutions across the country
that can be involved in this process now, and there
are certain centers that can be pinpointed for training people
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to all their minds and change their behavior in one
of those places in South Korea. I also said last
week on Dialogue Conspiracy that the family of Stacey Moskowitz
should sue the police department in New York City and
Yonkers because their daughter was unnecessarily murdered. That the police
had evidence as early as June that David Berkowitz was
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son of Sam, that he had done these murders in
New York, and yet the police chose not to arrest him.
And it was identical to the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department
having evidence that the Manson family was going to do
a large massacre and protecting them from the law enforcement
arrest or going into the spawn ranch to get them
before Sharon Tate and the others in her home and
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Missus LaBianca were killed. After I was on the program
last Monday, the Tuesday newspaper across the country, the Associated Press,
announced that Missus Moskowitz were suing the Yonker's police department
four ten million dollars. They claimed that there was negligence
in the case of their daughter's death. They charged the
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police work with negligence and they knew as early as
April had evidence that David Bergowitz was the son of
Sam who's doing the murders. I had pinpointed to June,
a month before the last killing, but they have proof
as early as April. They said he should have been arrested,
that the police had certain leads which they didn't follow up,
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and if they had followed them up, their daughter would
be alive. Today. I mentioned that I would be sending
this two part cassette to the family of Stacy Burgowitz.
I also try to get Stacy Moscow. I'm also trying
to get the address of the Bergwitz family and send
them a copy of these programs and suggests that they
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have a lawsuit against the federal government for programming their son, David,
who signed up voluntarily to go to war and was
a typist in South Korea until he became a conscientious
objector and then was given the kind of LSD with
these many chemicals in that altered personalities of some of
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the most famous or notorious of our court cases today.
And he was a typical pattern and his crime was
that he became a conscientious objector and didn't want to
continue holding a gun or being in the service. I
called him the son of Sam, literally meaning that he
was the son of Uncle Sam, and that his referring
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to himself as Uncle Sam was because he was in
the control of the government and couldn't break that bondage.
That was last week on Dialogue Cospiracy August the fifteenth,
and then the Salt Lake Tribune had an article three
days later, August eighteenth, more indictments likely in the Son
of Sam murders, and it goes on to quote an
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army friend said that David Berkowitz adopted the name the
Son of Sam because he believed that he was a
pawn of the United States government symbolized by Uncle Sam.
Terry Peterson twenty four from McFarlin, Wisconsin, said in an
interview that they were best bundies in Korea, and when
David Burkewitz complained about what the army was doing to
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him over there, he took a lot of static. After
he filed those conscientious objector forms. I just tell I
would just tell him, well, you signed up, and now
you're just a son of Sam, said Peterson. What I
meant was that he was a soldier for Uncle Sam
and he was obligated to serve his country. But he
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took that to mean that he was a pawn in
the tool of a big game and that the establishment
was making him play it. I'm certain that's where the
name Son of Sam came from, and that is from
an army buddy. They used that reference that when he
wanted to get out of the army and they wouldn't
let him, he became their pawn. I'm going to give
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an example here on KLRB in a few minutes of
a man at Fort Ord who was listening to my
programs in May of nineteen seventy two and wanted to
get out of the army when Richard Nixon was heavily
bombing Cambodia. And I'll read you the psychiatric reports at
Fort Ord, California, and I saved this person from having
psychological tests and being sent to South Carolina and offered
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to help him with a court martial when he claimed
that the government was fouling over these people and lying
to them and conducting wars overseas like Louce and Cambodia
without the American people knowing it, and I was instrumental
in stopping his testing with drugs and psychologists of the
US Army when he was putting up the same kind
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of a fuss that David Burkwooz was doing in South Korea.
So I know that the government was interjecting with these
people that didn't like the war, that were already in
the service, and they didn't want them fragging officers. They
didn't want them joining the Vietnam veterans against the war,
and one of the alternatives was to turn them around
psychologically and then send them home as killers and make
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them go against their first feelings of anti war and
perform killings in America. In my article The SLA is
the Cia that I wrote in nineteen seventy four, I
talked about what Uncle Sam was doing to people inside
the prisons to test them, and also to people who
objected to the war conscientious objectors. But I mentioned that
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the experimentation and the hypnosis programs had been going on
for quite a few years in prisons and mental hospitals
for fifteen years. I mentioned an inmate from Vacaville Medical
Facility who wrote to me through Kazapp. He listened to
my shows that were playing up at Kazap at the time,
and he told me that employed persons at Vacuville were
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holding down prisoners against their wishes, while two officers by
the name of Auctine and Rudahl he referred to mister
Rudell as a gestapo, were administering double doses of some
medication that were for the specific purpose of making distinct
changes in their personalities. This was happening in California, and
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I knew about this in nineteen seventy four and wrote
about it, and just August the second, nineteen seventy seven,
three years later, the New York Times had a full
page article on the specific intent of the ciaight to
al their personalities and that Vacaville was one of the
places they were doing it. I wrote in nineteen seventy
four that over the past year I have accumulated evidence
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of mind altering methods and how they pertained to the
past political assassinations. The United States has financed psychosurgical experiments
in Boston by doctors Mark Urban and doctor Sweet, and
now they are spreading around the country and also overseas
in places such as South Korea. Plans exist. This was
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in nineteen seventy four to turn large masses of population
into zombies to be used for future slave labor and
also for kamikaze war troops. The prisoners became experimental scapegoats.
Doctor Jose Delgado, funded by NASA and Navy Intelligence, came
to the United States in nineteen fifty and he had
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lived under Franco Spain's administration and helped with brain surgery
and began experimenting with electrode implants to order persons to
act against their own will. Doctor Delgado had perfected these
electrodes quite a few years ago and was given at
least a million dollars by the Justice Department, Health, Education
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and Welfare, Navy Intelligence, and NASA. And when you think
of some of the saying, you have to go back
to the quotation which I had in my article, which
was from the Congressional records of February nineteen seventy four,
of doctor Delgado, And this goes back to the motives
of why they tested Sam. Right now, David Berkwitz is
watching the flint Stones, watching television, very happy, laughing, ening
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three meals a day, sleeping at night like a baby,
enjoying himself, not aware of any of the trauma he's
been into and yet saying that he is under the
control of these people, various people, and names them. And
this motive for testing people like the son of Sam
was stated in the congressional record. This is what doctor
Delgado said, and I think it's worth repeating every few
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months on the ears that you understand the motive behind this.
He said, we need a program of psychosurgery for the
political control of our society. The purpose is the physical
control of the mind. Everyone who deviates from the given
norm can be so surgically mutilated. The individual may think
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that the most important reality is his own existence, but
that is only his personal point of view that lacks
historical perspective. Man does not have the right to develop
his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal.
We must electrically control the brain so that someday armies
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and generals will be controlled by electric stimulation of the brain.
That's doctor Delgado, who came here from Spain and has
been working on these techniques and heavily funded by the
federal government. I also mentioned in the article that the
van that was purchased a fictitious name for the SLA
when they went from San Francisco to Los Angeles for
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the shootout, was under the name of Ricky Delgado and
wondered if it was dedicated to the man who wanted
to destroy minds and then eventually a few weeks later
they destroyed their flesh. Well, there was a man who
lived one below David Burkwoitz in New York City by
the name of Craig Glassman. He belongs to Westchester County
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Sheriff's Deputy Department. He lived on the sixth floor, same window,
right down below, and this is the note that was
pinned to his door, slipped under the door by David
Burkewitz shortly before he was arrested. He said, Craig, you
will be punished. How dare you force me into the
night to do your bidding? True, I am the killer,
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but Craig, the killings are your commands. The streets have
been filled with blood, mister Glassman, at your request. They
asked Berkowitz why he targeted mister Glassman for these messages,
and he said that he was under the control of
this man. They asked mister Glassman, the sheriff, why David,
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the son of Sam believed that he was manipulating, and
his reason was I just happened to move in beneath him.
He probably saw me in my uniform. Now Here is
a sheriff from the New York area, from Westchester, the
county right next to where the killings took place, and
David Burg, which is one of the most notorious criminals
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in the New York City that had nine million people
terrorized for one entire year. So it's hardly likely that
he'd be sending letters to a sheriff. He would be
very silent, or maybe he'd change his apartment if a
law enforcement man moved in right under him and he
knew he was a sheriff. It seems that he would
change his location because if a murder took place and
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they saw him coming in late at night, they would
know that he wouldn't have a cover for being in
that night. The logic that the sheriff there got letters
because this killer saw him doesn't make sense. Craig also
sent letters to the Yonkers Police Department telling about his
killings and bragging about his killings and scaring them. And
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it's at the Younger's Police department where mister Sam Carr's
daughter was a full time patcher. Sam Carr is the
man that lived downstairs in a house next to the
apartment seven floors below, who had the dog that the
son of Sam said was bothering him and that he
had shot, and by calling attention to himself to a
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man whose daughter is the full time dispatcher for the
Anker's police, where all information would come in about son
of Sam, or to ndagonize or burn the door of
the man below him doesn't make any sense at all.
The police department was around him everywhere, and he was
in direct contact or antagonizing these families, and nobody had
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fingered him. The motive for these processes the kinds of
terrors that are taking place in this country. Number one,
are to spread terror and it keeps people off guard.
Number two, it's good for election years. Mayor Beam in
New York is literally beaming this article about how the
capture of son of Sam helped him. He jumped right
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in and accolades to the police. Even though many murders
had taken place and people had been blinded and permanently
crippled by this. Maror Beam came in a year later
and was proud of his men. It also tests comic
Kazi troops. That the stated purpose of the CIA for
some of their experiments to get people who are willing
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to die. The cha Chilla defendant Frederick Woods had said,
if you arrest me, I'm going to die, and David
Burke whit said I'm going to die. They haven't killed themselves,
but they are testing these people to do murders and
take chances because they can be used as future armies.
There also were a lot of antisemitic reasons for using
David Burke Whitsby, and it was done for the same
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reasons that Jack Ruby was used to kill leaving Harvey
Oswald or Bernard Weisman was used to put his name
on the end the day that John Kennedy was killed,
and we'll go into that more the political overtones of that.
But every July TV gets pretty dull. The summers are
an exciting time for crime in America. The math media
plays it up, and I believe it's synchronized. And if
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you don't believe it, mark your calendar for next July
and August nineteen seventy eight and wait for the next
media events. We're running out of motion pictures such as
Jaws and The Towering Inferno and Roller Coaster Airport, The Exorcist,
and Earthquake. Now you have TV movies on the John
Kennedy assassination coming up by Laurence Shiller, on the Martin
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Luther King assassination, the Chow Chillis story, the Gary Gilmour story,
the Son of Sam movie. We've had the Boston Strangler
in Cold Blood. The sla sequels are coming up on TV.
The movie The Manson Family got a lot of play,
and yet every single one of these media events is
unsolved as of today and could be solved. The Los
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Angeles Times an article yesterday, August the twenty first. It
says the Sam Circus ending its long run on the
streets of New York. The man, they say, the Son
of Sam, watches reruns The Flintstones, but he had a
lot more risk. It says, this circus went on, it
sold millions of newspapers, It occupied hours of airtime during
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the dog days of summer, when much of the city
normally operates at half speed, and it goes into the
thousands of dollars of contracts and money made. Headline articles
How I Became a mass Killer by David Berkowitz offering
five hundred dollars for a certain letter, fifteen thousand dollars
for other army documents of David Burkwoitz, and hundreds of
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thousands of dollars for tapes made immediately after he was
arrested by a man who has still not explained how
he got into the jail, and this has become a
big business. It's important to know that also the police
department was very careful, even though Theyonker police department was
in on the story and could have made the arrest.
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The Los Angeles Times goes into the fact that the
New York Police Department announced twenty five promotions for the
officers who worked on the Sun of sam The deputy
Inspector Dowd was promoted two grades to deputy chief. His
top assistant, Captain Joseph Farelli, was promoted a deputy inspector.
Joe Strana was promoted from detective third grade to detective
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second grade. Edward Zigga went from second grade to the
first grade. Two police officers who wrote the ticket for
David Burkewit were promoted to detective third grade, and the
Yonkers police officers who actually broke the case and had
the information were invited to the promotion ceremonies. They received
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a commentation certificate from Mayor Beam. They were very bitter,
they said, because they were the ones who made the
break in the story. And the Los Angeles Times goes
on to say that the New York Police Department wouldn't
possibly let the Yonkers cops win or take credit for
the case. They said, the two Yonkers cops who worked
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in the case, who passed the information onto Burke with
to the New York Police intelligence were not notified even
of the impending arrests. The New York Police had worked
in this case and they wanted to bring in the
most notorious criminal, and they didn't want to take a
chance allowing a modest suburban police department to share the
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big place of the limelight. It was worse than that.
They didn't want to take a chance that somebody else
would bring in the son of Sam. But they wanted
to make sure that all these promotions were in line
and the whole team, many many of them, were promoted.
I said last week on Dialog Conspiracy that it was
time for the police to close in on this case.
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They could have done it, is said June. The family
has evidence in April. But they couldn't wait for that
big massacre, that big last minute bra who that he
was going to do at the discotheque, because evidently the
links of the son of Sam to police negligence would
be just too overwhelming. Again, the links of the Manson
family of the military, if exposed, would cause a lot
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of consternation. It had to be the sheriff Pitchers who
picked them up, released them even after Sharon Tate had
been killed, and sent them out to the Barker Ranch,
away from the Spawn ranch. The police have a way
of ending the capture if the time is due, just
like they had a way to bring in Patty Hurst.
When other law enforcement agencies or other persons get in
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on the case, then the large police department who's behind
it in the first place, has to bring in the
suspect because the capture is as dramatic and as important
to the police psychology as the crimes themselves. The big
story was that the traffic ticket in front of the
fire hydrant broke the case, but there were other reasons
bellyeve that the case would be broken, and one reason
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they couldn't allow the yonkers of police or private individuals
to bring it in. Was that the mafia were going
in for the son of Sam, just like the mafia
under Mickey Cohne, We're going in to find Patty Hurst.
The New York Posts said that a powerful mafia chief,
Karmen Lante, said that his people within organized crime would
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find the killer. That he was outraged by the death
of Stacy Mokowitz and Moskowitz and he would send in
the mafia. When the mafia finds the killers and the
police don't find the killers, that's not very good for
the New York Police Department, nor would they get their
large promotions. Private vigilantes were being formed in New York
to take care of the matter because the police had
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been negligent and now the documentation proves that they were negligent.
And just like JJ Arms of private Detective said that
he could find Patty Hurst for one hundred thousand was
getting ready to find her within three weeks, and Mickey
Cone of the Mafia was to find her. Then Charlie
Bates of the FBI had to make the grand sweep
and bring her in. Even though he stood on national
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television the day that Patty Hurst was found and said
that he didn't know how they located her, and I
believe that they knew all along where she was, and
the hoax was over. The whole SLA story terminated, or
part of it terminated when Patty Hurst was brought in
on that day, because they couldn't allow her to get
in the hands of some small jail where she wouldn't
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be tapped or bugged, where her messages wouldn't be taken
and published and sold. And they had to be sure
that they had the place to put her in and
the proper people to set the propaganda mill. Going a
little further about Patty Hurst and what she had to
say to her friends, the actual capture of Son of Sam,
or the story of some of Sam is hinges upon
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five different sources of information which will not be put
in the Meredith book the publishers that's coming out. The
first is missus Cecilia Davis. She was an Austrian born
woman who got citizenship in nineteen fifty seven in the
United States who lived one block from where Stacy Moskowitz
was killed. She's the woman who saw looked eye to
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eye to David Berkowitz the night of the killing and
saw him carrying a package and claims that she didn't
tell the police or anybody for days, and she is
the one who said she saw the cop put a
ticket on the car. The real role about missus Cecilia
Davis and how she came to this country or what
she does is very important to the capture story. The
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next important subject is Craig Glassman, the sheriff that lived
below Berkerwitz, and the third one is Sam Carr, the
gentleman who had the American flag flying seven stories below
David Bergwitz who had the dog, and Sam Carr's daughter,
as I said, was a dispatcher at the Yonkers Police Department.
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It would be interesting to know the relationship of Sam
Carr to the person who rented a room up a
new ro shell to David berg Woitz before he moved
to Yonkers. These people corresponded with each other, they got
to know each other. They had informed the police department
about the situation, and their relationship to this particular victim
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is as important as the relationship with Lee Harvey Oswald
to the rooming house where he stayed at early in
Robberts or his rented rooms at the YMCA, and his
locations at the home of Ruth Payne and the Dallas
Fort Worth area. The housing of these agents is important
to the story. Also, the army friend of David Burgwood's
in Houston, Texas that supplied the gun for the fatal shootings.
(23:24):
He went all the way to Texas, met an army
buddy who gave him the guns, and he said then
he came home until one month later when he received
his orders to kill. Also, the psychiatric records from the
army would tell the whole story. When he wasn't court martialed,
then what did they decide to do with him? And
under the Freedom of Information of the Decency Act, the
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Army says, we won't release profiles or stories of these defendants,
army records or psychological reports. Yeah, instead of giving the
exact reports of this person, they don't show any shame
or embarrassment to make psychological profiles that have no basis
in fact, or have photographs of the room with evidence
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that could be as planet as Arthur Bremer's apartment with
Bob Dylan records on the floor and dirty writings on
the wall like the SLA left their apartment in San Francisco,
and pornographic literature. Arthur Bremer's apartment again and tried to
smear the left and not the left use of the pornography.
But the Dylan records lived there is like the Angela
(24:33):
Davis books left at the apartment of Arthur Bremer, and
of course the notorious diaries in all these cases. But
the real story of some of Sam will come in
the background of Missus Cecilia Davis, Greg Glassman, Sam Carr,
the friend from Houston who supplied the gun and the
actual army records. But instead of that we get this
(24:53):
barrage of propaganda that comes out over the media, newspapers,
and we'll be in movies and books for a long
long time to come. Mister Berger was, as I say,
rented a room in New Rochelle. He moved out of
it after two and a half months, and he complained
about a dog at the house. He went on to
be an auxiliary policeman with the New York Police Department,
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then worked for the federal government in the Post Office Department.
He lived one story about Craig Klassman, who was an
auxiliary deputy sheriff, and he passed daily or had contact
with Sam, who he said was also programming him, whose
daughter was the full time police dispatcher for any information
coming over about son of Sam to the Younker's Police Department.
(25:39):
For a man who was doing these killings and who
was so notorious and hiding himself from everybody. He was
sending letters that were in the hands of police agents
and police persons and sending his handwriting to mister Preslent,
a newspaperman on the Sheriff's Department, neighbors, an old landlady
who had the room this one house, Jana and jack
(26:00):
A Sarah, writing them crazy threatening letters and writing Sam
Carr letters, all of them identifying them with this crazy killer.
And yet he's in the midst and in the arms
of police and government agents all around. It's interesting at
the time he was captured after leaving all these letters around,
and I mentioned this last week that when the time
to bring him in is due and the New York
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Police are going to make this great entry and get
all their promotions, all they had to do was to
go to his car, which is parked downstairs and he's
seven floors upstairs, and find a forty five caliber submachine
gun and a four page letter that positively identifies him
to all the other killings which he easily could have
taken with him, and then he walks out of the
(26:43):
apartment carrying his forty four caliber pistol, and the case
for all purposes then is supposed to be closed. It's
very strange, all the letters he was writing and all
the people linked to the police departments. As I say,
the most obvious case of mind control that I've seen
so far is the story of this David Burke with
(27:05):
Donald of Fries was a victim of this. Joseph Romero
of the SLA who went Vietnam and came home and
had the same kind of treatment, was a victim of
the LSD government mind control program. And also I've referred
to a book called The Smith Conspiracy, which is an
interesting book. I don't have the name of the author.
(27:25):
I couldn't find it on my shelf today. It must
be moved around, but you can look it up in
a bookstore or librari. It's called the Smith Conspiracy. It's
about a man who was in Vietnam and objected to
the anti war protesters at home and the people that
didn't go along with the war, and they showed him
pictures of these protesters, and they also had him experience.
Several of his friends blown up in the war movement.
(27:48):
So this person was taken into a mind experiment program.
And he came home and was married, and his wife
knew that his personality was changing and he was under hypnosis,
and she went to his doctor. But the doctor also
worked for the CIA, for the government. And the point
was that they were going to kill a black leader
at Hunter's Point and showed him and they were programming
(28:09):
this man for Karmakazi killing. But the way they test
them was to take him to an animal shelter and
take out a dog and kill the dog and test
him on killing the dog. And in this case, David
Berkus was at the animal shelter at New Rochelle or
Westchester County with another person who's in the company of
another person. He wasn't alone. He complained of a dog
(28:31):
in a room that he rented from this one party.
He shot the dog of Sam Carr down below, and
the dogs figured in part of the mind control, triggered
something off in the program for his mind. Now there
were things that he said besides the fact that he
charged Craig Glassman was sending him out in the streets
to kill as soon as he was arrested. You've seen
(28:52):
these quotations. I was out to kill. It was my job.
Sam told me to do it. Sam sent me on
the assignments. I had to do what I had to do.
I had to take orders. I got orders through Sam
Carr's dog, which sounds a little ridiculous until you believe
or can understand that there is a possibility that with
electrode implants, he could hear the dog bark and it
(29:14):
could trigger him off. Because Sam car lived seven floors
below in a house around the corner, and David Burke
was was on the seventh floor. There wouldn't be any
reason for a man in youngers living up in a
building on the seventh floor to even worry about a
neighbor's dog. He couldn't even see that dog. He wouldn't
even have to pass it when he went to the
work the post office. All he had to do was
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to go around another corner and he wouldn't know Sam
Carr had a dog unless he was electronically controlled with
an electrode implant and the dog barked. Because there was
no reason in the world for David Burke was to
even see the dog. If you were in an apartment
building with him, it would be different. But the same
man whose daughter was a police dispatcher at Yonker's where
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all this was taking place, lived seven down in a
house around the corner, so he couldn't even hear that
dog from his apartment, or even though the man had
a dog, or no reason to shoot that dog unless
he had the electrode implants so that he was told
to do it, such as Lawrence Kwong and San Francisco,
who went to a detective twenty times and said, I
kept hearing kgo, and he had been in hospitals and
(30:21):
had the entire profile of somebody with electrode implants, and
then finally went to the window and made an attempt
to kill Jim Dunbar, then went around and killed Ben Munson,
went around the front of the building, and he kept
hearing kgo. And there'd be no reason for Lawrence Kwang
to hear anything anymore than David Bergwitz, except that Sam
Carr's dog could have had the sounds upstairs on the
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seventh floor. He said that he's commanded by this party
who lives way downstairs. He said, I didn't want to
kill men. I wanted to kill women. He was out
to kill them, and he said he would drive around
until he got a sign or instructions of one to kill.
And when he got the sign and everything was right,
he says, I was told what to do. They told
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me to kill when I got the sign that I
would kill. Do you show remorse for killing seven innocent people?
Speaker 3 (31:12):
No?
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Why should I? He said, I was commanded and that
is consistent with getting orders as I say. Joseph Romeiro
of SLA was in Vietnam. He was a member of
the one hundred and first Airborne Division. He signed up
for duty twice and came home. He was originally a
pacifist and then became a killer and killed doctor Marcus Foster,
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the head of the Oakland Superintendent Oakland school Board. The
white Man lived who was shot, and doctor Foster was killed.
Joseph Romiro said he began to take a lot of drugs.
He couldn't get out of his house without completely being
drugged out of his head. Joseph Romiro is now at
Sanquin Prison working with the White Arian Brotherhood consistent with
(31:55):
the Nazi threat threats that they would kill this school leader,
doctor Marcus Foster, the mystery of these murders is never solved.
The problem is always open. The motives are unclear. The
New York Daily News and the New York Times Washington
Posts say the problem is solved, but the questions still remain.
(32:16):
The questions will still remain until we go into the
army programs. David Berkwitz enlisted in the army and by
nineteen seventy four he had a total personality change. He said,
I went through a vast transformation and had to do
with acid and the LSD tests. He also wrote letters
saying I want to be a conscientious objector. I don't
(32:39):
want to be in the army. He wrote a letter
saying that he was renouncing his religion of being a Jew.
He is going to become a Baptist, but he said,
wrote letters. Blessed are the peacemakers, for they are the
children of God. He said. Drugs and a decision not
to carry a gun in the army turn an unnoticed
youth to a militant dove. The only thing on my mind,
(32:59):
he said, his drugs and music and pollution and poverty
and peace and love. I can't wait till tomorrow, he said,
I want to escape this loudy life, and he had
an obsession well in Korea against war and gun. He
objected to being taught to fight. He said, they taught
me to fight. They taught me weapons, demolition, riot control,
(33:20):
and self defense. When he actually went over as a
typhist and he sent letters on how he hated the
army and he thought he was going to be court
martialed and he had an aversion to the entire war system.
But instead of court martialing him, they didn't do that
to him. They sent him to the psychological area of
the army psychiatrists and did a job on them. This
(33:43):
one letter that he wrote about his love for people,
how he loved people, and he said, I want to
get out of this. I want to make love to
the world. I'd love people. I don't belong to the earth.
And he said that he got orders to kill and
he didn't want to because he said, I love people.
And that goes to what happened out here at Fort Ord.
(34:05):
And as I say, in nineteen seventy two, we're talking
about David Berkhitz, the son of Sam, who was in
South Korea nineteen seventy two to seventy three, and I
want to tell you about this particular person who was
in the army. His name was Kenneth Armstrong, and on
May the ninth, nineteen seventy two, he was teaching individual
tactical training. This is from an Army report from the
(34:27):
Pentagon out at Fort ord and On. He was teaching
how to murder and killed. When President Nixon escalated the
Asian War, he put down his pencil and his instructions
and said, do you know what happened last night? President
Nixon's decision to blockade North Vietnam was wrong. That's why
we're having riding in this country in Berkeley and Colorado,
(34:48):
the Bank of America Pacific grow. I'm not going to
give this class today because I don't believe in killing.
If I'm sent back to Vietnam, I won't go. If
I go, I won't fight. I will never take a life,
even in self defense. He said. The Associated Press United
Press are controlled by the government. They put out only
news that the government wants put out. They don't put
(35:08):
out correct information. The army is supposed to be the
best informed in the world, but it's not true. He said.
I listened to Earth News and Zodiac News, and as
a woman he referred to May Brussel, a radio personality
who has a program at four o'clock on Saturdays. We
used to be on Saturday. I met and spoke with her,
and she talks about the Kennedy assassinations and about opening
(35:29):
the archives, and about Lee Harvey Oswald being an agent.
And he went on to say that he didn't want
to serve the army anymore. Ford Or wrote up a
report he no longer enjoys his work in the service.
He feels isolated, and the reason he's compelled to beat
his wife. They began beating his wife, which was an
(35:50):
untrue story. Is that he's disturbed, misinformed, easily led, and
basically a passive person. He conversed with me, this is
the army officer that the government is corrupt because it
does not represent the people. The people do not war
want war. President Nixon is making the war, and the
war continues and is morally wrong. Sergeant Armstrong does not
(36:11):
have a security clearance, but he has been banned now
for further instruction of tees at Fort Ord and I
recommend psychiatric counseling to assist with his living in peace
with himself and the world. As he perceivees it. It
is affecting his job and his family. He was married
and had two little children, and his emotional security. If
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he cannot resolve his inner conflicts. I recommend whatever action
is deemed appropriate to assure the Army an honest day's
work commensurate to the rank he occupies in the pay
he's receiving. Signed Don Markham, Major Infantry, Chief Combat Division,
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and they ordered him for psychological mental hygiene consultation at
Fort ord and they were going to ship him out
of the state. And they said, let's go into his
early home life, his feelings, his relationships with his wife,
and the most admired male in his early life and
find out who he liked well. I advised mister Armstrong
(37:13):
that I would represent him in the court martial and
bring the facts to the case. So they dropped the
court martial, just like David Burkewitz was going to be
court martialed in South Korea. They then wanted to send
him out of the state, and they called him to
the psychiatrist. I gave him my tape cassette and told
him to take down everything he says did the army
psychiatrists because they'll write a profile on him like they
(37:36):
did on Lee Harvey Oswald or David Burkewitz, to make
him look crazy because he objected to this insane war
that was going on in Southeast Asia. He took the
tape cassette there and the officers at Fordorth that mental
health said, don't you trust me? Are you paranoid? He said,
don't put it down in the records. I'm paranoid. He said.
I don't know you, and you don't know me, and
(37:56):
I want to make sure that what you write is
what I said. And I have tape collection. In my
tape collection, I have the recordings that he took with
the army psychologists and they said, well, you can leave,
come back next week. And they put them in a
room where the tape recorder couldn't be attached, where there
was no electricity. They put them out in a shed
(38:17):
with no electricity, and then would let him record the
conversation with the army psychiatrists, and wanted to send them
I think at South Carolina. I have the name of
the state and further papers at home in my files.
They wanted to send them for special psychological training out
of the state, and we objected and I came to
his assistant at the time and said that they would
(38:39):
do a mind control job on them. And this was
in nineteen seventy two, and I'd been on Dialogue Conspiracy
a year starting in May of nineteen seventy one, and
I'd built up an audience at Fort Hour, the people
that this is nineteen seventy seven, that was five years ago,
that were aware of these mind jobs that were happening.
And if I knew David Who, if he were out
(39:01):
here at Fort Ardon, maybe we could have prevented those
six murders in New York and that slaughter of this
program Zombie. I've been studying this a long time, and
that's why I wanted to do a two part show
on Son of Sam, because I understand what the Army
was doing. I was right in the middle of it,
just like I objected and strenuously put up a battle
(39:23):
to save the mind of Robert Hyde at Vackavelt when
he was going to go psychosurgery because he knew too
much about the John Kennedy assassination and the Robert Kennedy assassination.
And this was one of my prouder moments in terms
of being practical in terms of the research. A lot
of people say, why are you doing this work? What
is the purpose? What are your goals? And some of
(39:45):
these individual relationships I've had with men in prison or
the men in the army where I've tangled the powers
that be, such as the Presidio trial out at Fort
RD at the time the men were charged with treason.
I got into that and was calling the White House
in the Navy Department and active in that the research
can be used in a practical way where you do
(40:08):
touch people's lives. And I was able to help this person.
And what happened was they gave an honorable discharge and
got him out of the Army and didn't send him
away for a mind control job. And I sent a
letter to Major Markham. I have a copy here. It's
a six page letter in which I stated some of
these facts. I said, Major Don Markham recommends that Kenneth
(40:30):
Armstrong be given psychiatric counseling to assist him in living
with peace and himself in the world. Is he perceives
that Kenneth Armstrong is going to psychiatrist only as part
of a routine severance as a conscientious objector nothing about
his childhood, or his parents or family, or sex life
or dreams or fantasies. Is any of your business except
(40:52):
the nightmare that he has about the killings in Vietnam.
Those were placed upon him by serving in the military
and would be a litle dominated when his uniform is
taken off. If the military is affecting his job and
his family and his emotional security, I suggest that you
release him from the Army. This recommendation that you take
whatever action is appropriate to ensure he gives the Army
(41:16):
an honest day's work appears to be a threat and
a lack of total regard for complaints listed by Kenneth
Armstrong and against his being in the service as a
human being. This sounds like a master slave order and
not an intellectual analysis of a person's needs or attitudes. Sincerely,
(41:38):
May Brussel. That was a conclusion of a five page
letter to Major Markham at Fort Ord And then this
particular person was released from the military. And this has
been going on for a long time. The son of
Sam is Uncle Sam's baby, and there's a lot more
like them, and the streets will be filled with terror
(41:58):
and violence and killing unless we really try to solve
these problems. Well, I think that's enough. Next week will
probably conclude a little bit on some of Sam and
then go into the death of Elvis Presley and other
news that's pertinent of the week. This is May Brussel
and Carmel, California. It's dialogue conspiracy and I'll see you
next week, howe ball as well to see you next week.
(42:20):
This is a.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
Truth well too.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
So we're driving down sixty car in front the Renault.
Speaker 4 (42:30):
It's not behind, it's not for there is a true
how think's happened.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
It was yesterday, it was in eighteen ninety four, and
it's tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Not a two come true.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
It'll be another truth in store for those who think
it is no true.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Point of view. We'll mock us up by the ball.
The only ball, gentleman, the.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
Resident just enjoyed. So you should not in sight play.
And the same wasn't no Vember night.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
I heard the screaming wars New America.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
To change her name.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Would not say you and I are about you.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
Call three things enemies.
Speaker 4 (43:22):
You are clearly now the enemies.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
And we will do when we must definitely keep it
free like I'm pray m She must sing m they
must slave. You must have heard, and we will never
many rise again. The light behind the fact that you
gave the word.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
They can just blow us down.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
They who are the arch and me become.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
Ours are free.
Speaker 4 (43:50):
The tender world are enough, the climate soul.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
So you and I would disagree the truth. Things in basery, crime,
reduce a comps.
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As I prepare, the beame, the buzz, the.
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Stars from same sun.
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Is truth before the blind who were fa my mind
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