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Speaker 1 (00:03):
The story once again for Dialogue Conspiracy with May Brussel.
For the past fourteen years, May has been researching the
facts behind political assassinations and abuses of power in this country.
Her program relates the news of the week to political conspiracies.
Dialogue Conspiracy originates with KLRBFM in Carmel, California, and now
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May Brussel.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Good afternoon. This is May Brussel and Carmel.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
This is September the twenty sixth, nineteen seventy seven, and
its Dialog Conspiracy number two hundred and eighty eight. Last
week I talked about the subject we never went to
the Moon and the possibility that the Moon landing was faked,
the possibility the mind control of the astronauts, and I
got a lot of response to that program, and I
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want to continue some more on that subject in a
few weeks from now, because people were particularly interested into
the origins of the Defense Intelligence Agency and into the
story of the astronauts their response upon landing.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
And there have been about eight.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Deaths of astronauts in non space jobs since the testing
of these men, mysterious accidents, and of course the question
was raised in that book that I quoted with something
done to them to get rid of those people that
knew too much or were breaking down under the possible programming.
I want to mention briefly that next week Rolling Stones
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is going to have out the article. October fourth is
the date for it to be presented on the news media.
The four hundred persons in the news media that worked
with the CIA or still work with the CIA.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Actually, I have.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
A copy of it here and I'm not going to
go into it on the year because there's not going
to be enough time to cover that article as it's
written by Carl Bernstein, and the best thing I think
is to buy it before they're sold out on the
stands if it comes out. The CIA has been struggling
with the Rolling Stones in New York City, and I
have information they're trying to suppress the article.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
There's been a lot of hassling going.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
On, and I hope that they're able to get this
article out and you'll be able to have it in
your hands, and I will mention a few parts of
it because of the new broadcast it's coming on Friday
and Sunday night American Broadcasting on the story of Lee
Harvey Oswald, and I want to go into that a
little bit as an example of the way the CIA
is still being used using rather the news media to
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give these stories that have no basis in fact. Before
I go too far into dialogue conspiracy today, I do
want to mention that we are changing the format after
this program is going to be different. It's going to
be on Sunday evenings from ten to ten thirty, no
more Monday from five.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
To fifteen to six o'clock. I will be able to
reach I think a larger audience.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
There's a lot of students, people coming home from work
that tell me they either sit in the car because
they have FM radio or they run into the house
because they have an FM and miss part of the program.
And I think that I'll be able to reach a
lot of people that have told me that it's been
difficult to catch it at the particular hour that we've
had it, although they've managed to do it and have
missed some shows because they were away the hour on
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a holiday.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Usually have these Monday.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Holidays and people are away and lose some of the
continuity and ask me for tapes. So Sunday evening is
a pretty good time. Everyone should be home from hiking
or boating or taking trips and be calmed down for
the evening. It'll be from ten to ten thirty. Now
we're going to drop fifteen minutes of this show. I've
been accused of speaking too fast. Wait till next week,
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till you me rolling along. I'll have to condense that
time or just leave out that information and hope that
you pick it up in the books that I suggest,
and I will be able to do so much thinking
for you or digesting of these books. I'll give you
titles of good books to read, and the authors a
lot of good old material coming out both I read
constantly a lot of old books as well as the
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new books. You'll have to do the homework yourself, and
I'll just maybe bring out a few of the highlights
and why the book is.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Important or the article is important.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
We discussed on Dialogue Conspiracy August the eighth, that's number
two hundred and eighty one in the program. The possibility
in Sacramento of doing a live show ten minutes a
week as against the tape show.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
We've done it for four weeks.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
The first week was like ten minutes and live, and
that wasn't satisfactory. We did forty five minutes live, and
I've done thirty minutes and ten minutes. But the listeners
aren't satisfied and I'm not satisfied. And they responded with
a lot of mail and a lot of telephone calls.
So kzapp is going back to Dialogue Conspiracy with thirty
minute time slot, and so this is a good time
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while they're putting on thirty minutes to cut it here
at this end, some of you will miss the information.
A lot of you may think it's too much information
for one time period anyway, and you can't please everybody.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I think it'll be okay.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
I'm happy with it, and I think it has another
advantage too. There are a lot of people ordering the
tape cassettes. They're going out to about thirty states now.
I have a notebook completely filled with people that are
getting these shows and ordering them all the time, and
there are a lot of people who want them who
can't afford them. They seem pretty high. The tape cassettes
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have been forty dollars and twenty cents for two shows,
forty five minute shows back to back. The price will
be dropped to three point fifty for two shows sixty
minute tapes, or the whole month, when there's four weeks
of the month will only be seven dollars, and I
think a lot of people will be able to afford
that a lot easier than the extra eight dollars and
forty cents. If you add it up over a period
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of time, I think it does make a difference, and
I'm glad to get the material out. There'll be shorter
tapes thirty minutes each side. And those of you who
are hearing this tape who sent me checks in advance,
I keep a record of the tapes that you've ordered
in the money, and I'll just rate it to figure
it out and apply it to the next tapes, and
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you'll be getting after this a thirty minute tape instead
of the forty five minute. And of course people call
from all over the country and they write letters, and
I'm answering about twenty or thirty letters a week write
to my home, which you usually do are called the house,
and it is anything that we haven't covered in that
extra ten or fifteen minutes, you can speak to me,
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and I'll be glad to go over with you. And
that is the way it'll come out well, as I say,
the Rolling Stones October fourth, this next week has a
dynamite article.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
It's written by Carl Bernstein, one of the two parts.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
He was the partner Bob Woodward got out the Watergate
story and two books on Watergate.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
As you know.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
As I said, they tried to stop the article in
New York City, but from what I've heard, at least
a day to day basis, it will be able to
be released.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
And this document I have it here.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
It's about sixty pages, copied mentions people like Joseph Alsop,
the New York Times, on the Washington Post, Henry Lew's
Time Life magazine of course owned by Loose before Life
went out of business, Louisville Courier Journal, the Kopley News
Service out of San Diego, the American Broadcasting Company ABC,
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the National Broadcasting Company, United Press CBS, the Columbia Broadcasting
the Hearst newspapers.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
And Reuters.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
I've all worked and still work for the CIA. The
article is clouded by Carl Bernstein half apologizing that they
formerly used overseas agents. But when you talked about the
assassinations and conspiracies in the United States, which various researchers
did at the time of Watergate, Carl Bernstein was covering
the tracks of the assassinations. And remember in their book
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on Watergate and the second book, The Final Dates, they
never went into the subject of Howard Hughes at the
time of Watergate, or the killing of Jadgear Hoover, or
the murder Mary Joe Capeshni, or the shooting of George Wallace,
all of which had to do the election of nineteen
seventy two, and all of these events had Watergate defendants'
names linked into those events. I don't consider Carl Bernstein
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and Flaming Investigator. He covers the field and he covers
up and maybe one of the purposes of clearing the
news media, because they have been mentioned in terms of
working in the United States and suppressing information, was to
say that this happened formerly, and it was in the past.
It wasn't in the past. It'll go on tomorrow. But
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it's a good article for what it tells you, and
then we have to take it to the next step.
I remember reminded when I read this article with the
minutes of the Warren Commission meeting. I have a bound
volume of some of the minutes of the Warren Commission
that David Lifton got out and Gerald Ford was a
member of the Warren Commission, you remember, and the subject
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came up at one of the first meetings, how should
we handle the press? What will do about news coverages?
And then it was Gerald Ford, the member of the
Warren Commission who had been appointed there by Richard Nixon,
who said, gentlemen, I can handle the AP and the UPI, meaning.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
The Associated Press and the United Press.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
So General Ford had that kind of clout in nineteen
sixty four, that was thirteen years ago, going on fourteen
years that the entire Warren Commission didn't have to worry
about lying about who killed the President of the United
States because he could handle the two major wire services
that go out around the world. He said, gentlemen, I
can handle the AP and the UPI. There's another section
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of the Warren Commission meetings where the members there are there,
in fact, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, Earl Warren,
as president, other members, distinguished members of the Warren Commission,
and they wanted to know what to do about a
person named Mark Blane who was exposing some of the
early conspiracies, or Joe Jostin from Germany who had written
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Oswald the Assassin or fall Guy, and those Mark Lane's
rush to Judgment was being put together. Jostin had a
book coming out that they came out shortly after the
war and report was published, and at the minutes of
the meeting they said, what will we do about these authors? Also,
you can in Paris who wrote who Killed Kennedy? So
the subject, when it was broached, was answered with, let's
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get the president of the United Press down here, and
they mentioned his name and.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
The president associated Press.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Bring them here and we'll say do you have any
evidence of a conspiracy? And if they say in their
files they don't have any evidence of a conspiracy, that
and the subject. Now, the implications on that are pretty
broad if you just think about it. What they were
saying was, don't bring in Mark Lane and ask him
what evidence do you have that we don't have. Don't
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bring in Jostin and say where're you getting your information?
Maybe you have something the FBI or the CIA or
Dallas police didn't tell us. You gentlemen are writing a book,
maybe we should include it into our investigation. No, the
mass media uses the propaganda machine to cover the big lie.
So all the Warren Commission did was called the major
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media and said, gentlemen, do you have anything you see
about a conspiracy?
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And they said no.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Therefore Mark Lane and Thomas Buchanan and Joe Jostin were
put aside, and later they became the first three people
to begin getting books published about the errors of the
Warren Commission. Now CBS is mentioned, of course throughout this.
For this document by Corl Bernstein, I think of Walter
Cronkite from Houston, Texas, who went on to become the
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great anchorman of CBS. Dan Rathers from Dallas, Texas, who
was in Dallas the day John Kennedy was killed, and
he's been a cover up artist of the assassinations from
the word go. Bill Moyers was another one of the team.
Bill Moyers has been promoted or asked for the appointment
to be along with Walder Crimekite next year on Fall,
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I guess or Spring CBS News Anchorman. Bill Moyers was
with Lyndon Johnson at the time John Kennedy was killed.
He was Lyndon Johnson's press secretariat when all the line
and covering up was going on, and he's mentioned in
the book who's who in the CIA. There is a
biography of Bill Moyers in that book that was published
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a few years ago, along with Frank Church and some
other well known investigators who look into these assassination matters.
When the CI has been named as a culprit, so
Bill Moyers is getting his promotion now. Jack Valenti was
part of that team and became Motion Pictures are and
Lyndon Johnson appointed to that job. So we have a
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CIA man being suggested to go along with Walter Cronkite
and CBS News when the CBS is named in the
Bernstein document the article as being an integral part of
this entire Cold War period. Of course, Henry Lose is
named a Time Life Magazine has been a conduit not
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only the Cold War for patriotic reasons, but has played
an active part, specifically in the Kennedy assassination. We could
do a whole show after you read the Rolling Stone
article on each branch that is mentioned in there, of
the television and the news, and show how they covered
up the assassinations. Hayes Gory, who writes for Time magazine
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and always covers the assassination information, debated with me on
the assassination up in Oregon.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Eugene, Oregon.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Last year, we were both invited together to speak and
he carried the same stories about Lee Harvey Oswald shooting
the rifle from the Texas school book Depository. And I
presented the site of Lee Harvey Oswald, the agent who
went in January of nineteen sixty to a Minsk radio
factory and the U two is down in May nineteen sixty,
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and that Lee Harvey Oswald was an agent of the
United States government who helped break the DNTANTE in nineteen
sixty that embarrassed President Eisenhower. Time magazine and life as
it existed in those days was notorious the assassinations story.
They printed immediately that picture of Lee Harvey Oswald holding
a rifle, that famous picture that was cut off at
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the chin and another body was put on. There was
Oswald's head above and a crooked body was holding this rifle.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
The shadows weren't consistent.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
You remember, under the nose the sun was straight up
and down when the rifle, shadows were in back and
the sun was in front of the body. They were
quick to print that and shoe Oswald's guilt. Live Magazine
quickly brought up the movie of Abraham's a Brewder and
doctored that up and switched the frames around. The Warrant
Commission moved those around. That was the movie that showed
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the killing of President Kennedy and his head going backwards,
showing how the weapon with a fatal.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Bullet came from the side to the right of John Kennedy.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Then they brought up the pictures of mister Roco. His
life was threatened. He was a man that was inside
of Jack Ruby's nightclub who had pictures that could posibly
link Bernard Weisman and Jack Ruby and members of the
YAF that had come from Germany military intelligence into the
Dallas Fort Worth theory for the time of the assassination.
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These pictures were quickly brought up and there was a
mystery about those pictures. And then of course Life Magazine
published on their cover the notorious diary of Lee Harvey
Oswald that was linked in the spring of sixty four
when the Warren Commission was working. He was linked by
none other than Warren Commission member Gerald Ford. The original
diary was not located at the time that Lee Harvey
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Oswald was arrested. Nobody knows how they came about to
find it. Nobody ever fingerprinted. It wasn't written in the
style that Oswald wrote, at least letters and applications for jobs,
and State department letters and his marine records. This had
no resemblance to Lee Harvey Oswald. And so time and
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life were a conduit and the political assassinations. And now
this article comes out that the New York Times was
the best agent that they had by far. And of
course the New York Times for the CIA have been
blood brothers. It was the New York Times that published
the immediate Warren Report and got out on the stands
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with an introduction by Harrison by Salisbury saying that anybody
who questioned the Warren Report that the government was printing
was mentally deranged, that they were unpatriotic, they weren't serving
their country, they would be mercenaries, they'd be mentally sick.
They could have at least put an introduction and said,
here is the book, figure it out for yourself, read it.
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History will be the judge. The New York Times has
been a propaganda of the CIA, their right arm all along.
And I recently finished an article for Conspiracy Newsletter out
of dearborn Michigan. And I said, what is known as
the liberal Washington Post of the New York Times would
make Adolf Hitler blush.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
They'd do such a good job.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
And of course the Washington Post and Newsweek owns they own.
Newsweek two is a conduit of the CIA, So the
American Broadcasting Company is named as well as CBS. And
an example of the American Broadcasting Company being used by
the CIA, as I say, will be this Friday Night
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and Sunday night is a two part story the trial
of Lee Harvey Oswald. Now all of the information taken
for this subject is going to be taken from the
Warren Report. And if you read the Warren Report, you
would be leieve Oswald was guilty. A TV guide has
a little form, and you're supposed to watch the show
and then send in your decision.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Was Oswald guilty?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Jack Ruby tried him the first time, he was the
judge and jury and killed Lee Harvey Oswald. And now you,
the audience, will have a chance to play your little game.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
You might write to the station.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
This would be the chance for those of you that
listen to this show take the address and right to
the American broadcasting company and say, why don't you let
me Brussel do a program on Lee Rvy Oswald based
on the twenty six volumes that the government printed and
sold in nineteen sixty four and present this evidence. Then
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take another vote and see if Lee Harvey Oswald was
guilty because in the twenty six volumes, there isn't any
evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald own a rifle, fired a rifle.
Every piece of evidence that linked him to the assassination
can be proven to be forged and planted, perjured testimony,
bought testimony, and what they couldn't buy.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Or fake, they killed the witnesses.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
I would like to present a two hour, four part
show on leerb Oswald and then have you take a vote.
It's interesting that eighty percent of the population in the
United States no longer believed the Warrant report, and I
think overseas in Europe and Asia that must be about
ninety nine percent because they still.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Get more news than we get.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
But every generation has to pass this story office history.
It doesn't matter if you don't believe it or not.
There's going to be a ten or eleven year old,
twelve year old child in your home. Someone seventeen or eighteen,
and they'll pick up the TV guide and they'll see
the movie. So that every generation has to get the
big lie and the brainwash. And that's the way that
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ABC does their job. And then in another month or two,
you'll see Jack Ruby and Lee Harvey Oswald's story put
out by CBS, and it will roll along, and we'll
have another job, and the beat goes on. Now, what
can you do? If the CIA controls the entire news media,
If Carl Bernstein's right, they control the Associated Press, United Press, Reuters,
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newsweek Time, the newspapers, the television. These are the main
sources of information, There isn't much you can do. I've
done as much as I can, as any one person
can do. I never dreamt when I started my research
that I would be doing as much as I have done,
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gotten as far as I have in spreading this information
around the country. I think one of the things you
can do is use your pen more. If you don't
like what's going on, you have a chance to write
to those stations and tell them you don't like their lies.
You have a chance to turn off the stations and
send a letter company and say I know you're lying
about these historical facts, so I don't want to watch
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the programming anymore. You can send in letters to editors,
you can write to your congressman. You can say I'm
not satisfied with these investigations. And you can call talk
shows on the radio. The West coast. There's KGO and
Ray Bream doown Los Angeles and New York. There's Candy
Jones and there's a Bob Williams. There's talk shows going
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on various cities around the country. You can call up
these talk shows they do reach all around the country
and put down the program and ask why the real
researchers are not allowed to work with these networks in
any shape or form, and why they continue to pass
out these lies. And I think the best thing is
to pull out the plugs. I know that on just
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this station here in Carmel. By doing this show, I've
reached to people, as I say, in thirty states, and
I travel around and I've getting ray for another trip
soon on a really exciting venture. And you can meet
people you wouldn't believe you can.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Meet that I have met through the research and work.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
And I think one of the most satisfying things is
that I've met students that are now going into journalism
because of listening to dialogue, conspiracy and radio work. I
know one out in Salinas, and I was lecturing up
in Seattle and met somebody, and one San Francisco, and
several and Sacramento, and in New York and Philadelphia and
also in Florida. I could just keep naming people that
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have gone into investigative journalism, that write to me, that
send me articles, as a woman in Minneapolis that sends
me books and articles and filled with information, and then
I can spread it on and share.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
It with all of you.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Is a New York researcher my name of Ted Gondolfo,
who has collected the best accumulation of tape recordings of
assassination information ever since the day that John Kennedy was killed.
Newspaper interviews, congressional hearings and talk shows and lectures of
all the various researchers. And he has literally thousands and
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thousands of hours of tape recorded library, just like I've
collected probably the best published library in the United States
private library of political assassinations, the books and articles I have.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Ted Gondolfo has these tapes in New York and he
offered them to the House Committee in Washington. They don't
want his research. They don't want my documents or other
people's work.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
So he's taken on a project now of cable television
and he's starting next Friday night in New York City
Cable TV, and he's going to have an hour show.
It's advertising the New York Cable TV Guide this week
it's called Assassination. Ted Gundolph, a longtime private researcher, is
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going to be a host of a weekly show to
deal specifically with the information that has been suppressed relating
to the assassination of John Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, Martin Luther King.
He will draw upon his personally compiled tape library of
more than four thousand hours, and he's going to take live.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Phone ins now.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
After accumulating all of this work, he realized that it's
not enough to get on the telephone and call me
every day in Carmel or other researchers. He's constant communication
with Harold Weisberg, who's done such fantastic work, and his
work isn't used by the Committee in Washington. Harold doesn't
trust them, and here He's published Whitewash one, two, three
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and four, and he has Frame up on the Martin
Luther King assassination. Penn Jones has written four books, Forgive
My Grief Blume's one, two, three and four. Penn has
gotten out a newsletter which you can subscribe to. It's
twenty four dollars a year and you can contact me
if you want the address, or just write mid Lothian, Texas.
He has a fantastic newsletter going out. Ted Gondalfa will
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have tapes of his weekly television show if you want,
and our tapes are available of Dialogue Conspiracy. And we
feel very strongly, people like Ted Gondalvo or Penn Jones,
or myself or Harold Wisebergy, that by permeating the media
in our own little way, whatever it is, and staying
with and staying with these facts, that we can reach
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a lot of people through the mainstream of America. Of course,
I write a lot of articles continuously for Midnight, which
is a small newspaper sold at the liquor stores and
grocery stores. But through one recent article at Midnight that
just came out, the one that I mentioned two weeks ago,
a certain person called me out of the boundaries of
the continental the United States and has now provided me
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is going to provide me with some of the most
more important documents that are available to any research in
the country. And I'm not free to go into them
right now. But the point is he's been reading all
the articles I've been publishing. He hasn't heard my radio programs.
I'm going to be sending some tapes. But just permeating
the news with these facts will reach the mainstream of America.
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And it has to be done, and it has to
be done as often as necessary, ad buy as many
people who want to get started in calling the talk shows,
writing letters, writing newsletters, and sharing information. Sylvia and Marr,
who did that fine book, the Accessories after the Fact,
and the subject index to the Warrant Commission hearings is
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going to be on Ted Gondolfo's program. There's a section
of Sylvia's book which I have to take issue with
her about the subject index leaves out the name I
think I mentioned on Dialogue, conspiracy of Howard Hughes, and
it also leaves out the names of twenty people from
military intelligence that infiltrated the YAF and the Dallas Fort
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Worth area, and I don't know why Sylvia left those out. Sorry.
When I was in New York last time and we
talked about that Torbet document that is so outstanding, the
research on the Kennedy assassination, and she said she didn't.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Have it and she didn't want to have it.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
And you have to discriminate in these researchers, how much
they want to know, how much they're working on a
need to know? Are they really just saturated or is
there an order? Are the researchers given cues of what
to print or not to print. I can name twelve
researchers in the Kennedy assassination, the most famous ones who
get in the media, who are absolutely working on a
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need to know basis, and I would challenge them. But
the important thing, I don't think Ted is going to
challenge her on the program. He'll use the information which
she has, which is good. And if the New York
listeners can read her book and absorb that much, then
they're one step ahead and then they can go on.
It's like stepping stones of awareness to break this assassination trip.
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And the reason I work with such speed and I
really spend some part of every day working and sometimes
as many as twelve or fourteen hours is I do
think that we're going to see the fruits of the
effort will be paid off in the next elections, or
we're going to be sorry that we didn't become more
aware of some of the things that are happening in
the news that I've been calling attention to, such as
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the chemicals and the food, the mind control, the weather, control,
the weapons systems. There's a lot of things happening to
people in America. I have piles of articles that I
don't even have time for on the program that are
important and shaping our lives, our health, our mental health.
The statistics of unemployment and mental health in this country
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are terrible, food poisoning, They're terrible. How much is purposeful
and how much is coincidental is something to be separated,
but it has to be considered, and of course I
keep working on that and believing that the origin of
a lot of this happened when the political assassinations were effective,
and when the cover up was effective, then the next
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person to get was us, the average citizen or the
middle class, and therefore we would begin to feel the
squeeze in banking and housing, and our economic security would
be shaky. If the assassinations were a plot and they
were successful, and you could pinpoint the people who were
doing it, which I was able to do after working many,
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many years, then you can predict what more they're capable
of doing based upon who's in the position of controlling
these specific chemicals. I just read this week that coffee's
coming in the United States with dildren and three other
deadly chemicals. And I've talked about Dildren. That's the cancer
poison chemical that was put in school lunch programs coming
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out of Mississippi chicken farms and sent specifically to Chicago
and Detroit to black, underprivileged children who could get cancer
from this. And when it was found that there is
dildrin in the chicken, the farmers were paid ten million
dollars to stop production of the chicken, but the people
who received it weren't allocated any money for future health benefits.
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Now I see that the American chemical countries are the
companies sending this Dildren and three other poisons down to
South America, and it's coming back in coffee. So you
have to begin to think twice in defending yourself or
your body and not absorbing that coffee. If the tests
are showing conclusively that dildrin is in the coffee, then
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you have to begin to switch to herb teas and
study the news and study these events and see who's
being paid off, who's making the profits, and how far
is it going to go? Well. I want to speak
a little bit about that committee in Washington, d C.
The House Select Committee. I haven't talked about them for
a long time. I called mister Robert Blakey, who's heading
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the committee. I wish I had time to write every
member of Congress. Maybe I'll have to get out some
kind of a newsletter and say stop the Monday money,
stop the committee, because the committee is a total ripoff.
I knew it was as early as nineteen seventy five,
but I've given it enough energy or leeway to watch
the direction they're going.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
And I called mister Blakey. He's the chief investigator.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Donovan Gay is their head investigator, and mister Blakee is
the man from Cornell University that was brought in to
be the chief counsel.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
I got on the telephone with him last week. Of course, he'd.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Never heard of my name, even though Ted Gundalfo had
a tape recorded conversation regarding me about a day earlier.
Mister Blakee said he'd never heard of me. I asked him,
have you read the Torbott Document. The Torbet Document I'm
referring to specifically is that unpublished manuscript that came out
of Texas in nineteen seventy that has been given to
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the Assassination Information Bureau with their headquarters they've moved down
from Boston to Washington. It names the agents of the
Defense Industry Security Command, the Pentagon, the Division five of
the FBI, and the source of funding of the assassins around.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
The world that was put up through church fronts.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
The Torbet Document has not been disproven in any shape
or form. It's filled with information about who killed John Kennedy.
So I said to mister Blakeie, have you seen the
Torbet Document. There's no use for me flying to Washington,
DC with it if he hasn't. And the chief investigator said,
I can't tell you if I've seen it.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
You can't tell.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Me yes or no, either I have it or I
don't have it, so that I can send it to you.
At three hundred pages. I'll pay for it. It costs
time and money to duplicate it. I want to make
sure it's in your hands. Can you say, yes, I
have it, don't bother, or no, I don't have it.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Send to me.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Now, this is the chief counsel who's supposed to get
two million dollars within two year time to investigate the
murder of John Kennedy.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
He said, I will not tell you if I have it.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Now.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
The point is a if.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
He has it and doesn't use it, then he'd be
charged with a cover up. And it is therefore he
won't admit whether or not he has it. But if
they have it there and they're not using it, it
is an absolute proof positive that the bottom line of
the investigation of the Kennedy assassination has to be the
anti Castro Cubans and the CIA, and that they refuse
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to go into the links of say the Eastern Wall
Street bankers, the huge corporations in Chicago, General Dynamics, and
people whose names are in this document like John Connolly
and Albert Jenner, who is a member of the Warrant
Commission's staff. And there are the links there of Albert
Osborne of the Defense until Agency who went to Mexico
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with A Lee Harvey Oswald in the fall of nineteen
sixty two, So the chief attorney there would not say
if he had it. I'm going to send a copy
of the Torbot document to the House Committee in Washington,
DC and send it registered in his name and ask
them please to acknowledge in some form they received it.
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Then if they don't use it, that will be a
sure factor way of saying to the Congress, don't throw
it up to us. Later we researchers that we have
seen this, that you've investigated this document, because later they'll say,
we can't go into the Kennedy matter to anymore. We've
given two years in two million dollars and found no
evidence of a conspiracy. So now the trick is like
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serving a subpoena, is to put in mister Blakie's hands
this document, and if they look into that, it would
take him about six years more to really lay on
the table who killed John Kennedy. I then said to him,
do you have David Lifton's book, the document them on
the Warren Commission. These are the printed meetings of the
Warren Commission, and mister Blakey said, I don't have to
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tell you. Well, do you know what that means for
somebody like myself, who has collected about eight hundred books
on the political assassinations, who spent eight years cross following
every single world of the Warren Commission documents twenty six
volumes cross find them into approximately twenty eight thousand pages
about forty or fifty spiral notebooks, breaking down all of
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the testimony would be useful to this commission. That man,
the chief Investigator, would not give me the time of day.
If I had just come in off the street and
used a payphone and asked him, I have the minutes
of the Warren Commission meetings. Do you want them? That
person should deserve an answer no.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
I don't want them.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
I already have a set or yes, send them to us.
Why do you think we need them? But all I
got from the chief Investigator was I don't have to
tell you. And I mentioned him that in order to
be knowledgeable about the assassinations, he has to know about
the Torbet document as well as the minutes of the
Warren Commission meetings, because they're.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Consistent with a cross filing idead.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
On the twenty six volumes, and he said he was
going to hang up on me, and he did. Fortunately,
I have learned to tape record these conversations. I didn't
used to tape record them, but Ted Gondolfo taught me
how to tape record.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
It's very easy and.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
They will be historically valuable to show another layer of
cover up, so that four years from now, when you
find that mister Blakey and the Justice Department worked.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
With the CIA, you'll find that the CIA is.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
One more time investigating the assassination of John Kennedy. I
mentioned September the twelfth on Dialogue Conspiracy two weeks ago
that Lauren Hall was supposed to be called as a
witness before the House Select Committee. Back there, Lauren Eugene
is an important witness. We have done some programs on
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Dialogue Conspiracy about him. He was trained in the CIA
with the ant Castro Cubans and for the Bay of
Pigs operation. So many witnesses have been killed and Lauren
Hall so far has survived. He was with the committee
in June, and when he took the fifth and refused
to testify, mister Blakey said return in the fall, and
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I announced, as I say two weeks ago that Lauren
Hall was supposed to show up on Wednesday, September the
fourteenth for testimony about the Kennedy assassination. Before he was
only asked, were you in Dallas the daily assassination? Well,
the committee very nicely postponed mister Hall's appearance. He doesn't
even have to postpone. They waited, imagine, from June to September.
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Whatever they were going to ask him in June, they
could have asked them. And I was sure that Lauren
Hall would be dead by September.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
He's still alive. But conveniently, he's been informed by the
commit Any staff members that his appearance has been put
off and that he doesn't have to appear until an
unspecified future date. I hope he stays well.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Lauren Hall has said that the Warren report is in quote,
a whitewash, but that's all that he has to say
about it. There is a new witness who came forward.
She came forward last week, Mariita Lorenz in the Washington
was not in the Washington Post or the New York
Times or the Associated Press or any of the newspapers
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listed as CIA conduits. The New York Daily News carried
this story about Mariita Lorenz and I think it's important.
And again this is the way the CIA works by
not carrying this on the wires services. Maybe they will
next week, but as of this date, I haven't seen it.
This article came from my friends in New York September
the twentieth. This woman says she drove to Dallas, Texas
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from Miami with learv Oswald and Frank Sturgis several days
before John Kennedy was killed. She drove to Dallas, Texas
with Frank Sturgis two days before Kennedy was slaine, and
then she went back to Miami.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Now this will make aj Weberman happy.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Weberman is the gentleman who wrote the book Coudata in America,
and he claims that Frank Sturgis is photographed at Delley
Plaza and he's one of the tramps that was taken
away by the police and never charged for any crime.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Or mention why he was a suspect.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
And of course it makes May Brussel happy because in
August nineteen seventy two, I wrote the first published account
in the world saying that Frank Sturgis of Watergate fame,
who was arrested at the Watergate Hotel, had a history
that went all the way back to the John Kennedy assassination,
and that the FBI was busy interviewing him the day
after the assassination back in Miami. Well Marita claims that
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she was with Orlando Bosch, who's now serving time in
Venezuela in prison for Blois up the Cuban airplane last
year over Puerto Rico, and she was with Pedro Diaz,
Laance and Frank Sturgis, and she says they went to
Dallas and they belonged to a secret gorilla group formed
by the CIA called the forty Operation forty, and this
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group was trained for assassination teams.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Frank Sturgis had said earlier that he was.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Part of an assassination team and that he worked for
the forty Committee. And he has admitted that he's close
to mister Bosh and mister Lance and that missus Lorenz
could have been in his home and that he did
in fact know who she was. She's the woman that
was hired by the CIA and Robert Mayhew, the used
cover to use at Castro Cubans. She was a Cuban
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to poison Fidel Castro, which she didn't do. She was
sent to Cuba to poison him. She worked with assassination teams.
This evidence or testimony isn't sworn testimony.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
It isn't before the committee.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
It's an you in the newspaper press conference in New
York City by Miss Lorenz. Is important. It's important because
Lee Harvey Oswald had a double. One double was in Miami.
One double was taken by a car out of the
book depository Leearby Oswald, the original Lee Harvey Oswald, I
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don't want to confuse. It was in this Texas school
book depository. He was on the second floor having a
Coca Cola when the police entered.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
The Oswald that.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Was in Russia left the front of the Texas school
Book Depository and got in the car owned by Michael
and Ruth Payne, and the Lee Harvey Oswald that was
in Russia came back to missus Roberts rooming house and changed.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
His clothes and a police car hanked and he left
that rooming house.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
The Oswald double was in Miami and worked with the
anti Castro Cubans.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
He was picked up in a theater and was arrested.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
The double left the school book depository from behind the
other ones. I say that it was in Russia, left
in front. The double took the bus and the cab
and was seen near the theater. I don't believe he
killed Officer Tippett at all. The Oswald double was on
the fifth floor and fired a rifle from the Texas
school Book Depository.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
And of course I believe the.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Oswald double, the one that was in the car with
Miss Lorenz and Frank Sturgis, was murdered, and that the
Lee Harvey Oswald that had been to Russia that left
the school book Depository from the front of the building,
I believe is alive and will surface some time in
the future.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
I don't believe that that is the one that was killed.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
But her mentioning that she was with Lee Harvey Oswald
and Frank Sturgis two days before the assassination does confirm
the fact that there was this double, and that he
came from Miami, and they did have weapons, and they
were in Dallas, and she said they laid out on
the table maps of Dallas and were with them and
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spread them out and studied them, and she thought they
were going to rate an arsenal or go where weapons
were stashed. And Miss Lorenz is somewhere hiding in New
York City. It's hard to get to her. She has
as they've been interviewed by the Associated Press United Press.
You haven't seen her story yet in Time magazine. But
she did service this week and hopefully she will go
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to the committee. And of course they'll only be confused
by the two doubles because one was working at the
Texas School Depository when one was driving in with Frank
Sturgis from Miami. But she is an important witness because
of the work I've done on the Oswald Doubles. Well,
our time is up on Dialogue Conspiracy in about half
a minute over here. I'll see you next Sunday night
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from seven to seven point thirty. And tell your friends
in case they missed the program today, and we'll see
how the new time slot goes. Until then, take care
and we'll see you next week on Dialogue Conspiracy.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
This is a truth I thought too. So we're driving
down Route sixty eight, a car in front.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Who they were not?
Speaker 4 (43:07):
It's not behind, it's not a ford.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Where is the truth?
Speaker 4 (43:12):
How things happened? If it was yesterday, it wasn't eighteen
ninety four. And if tomorrow not a two gone true,
there'll be another truth in store for those who think
it's no truth.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
They all depends point of view.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
Who lock us up to fire the ball, they'd only
for a gentleman.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
He is president. It's just a choice.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
You should not incite or claim is flame.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
One November night, I heard.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
The screaming halls New America and change her name. Would
not say.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
You and I are not you who.
Speaker 4 (43:56):
Call three things enemies. You are clearly now the enemies,
and we will do what we must do and keep
it free.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
Like I was right.
Speaker 4 (44:08):
She must say that they must slave.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
You must have heard, and.
Speaker 4 (44:13):
We will never really rise again. The mind, the mind
of the plastic you who.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Gave the word.
Speaker 4 (44:20):
They cannot just mow us down, because they who are
the arch and nemic one. Ours are free, tender girl, ours,
enough planate soul. So you and I would disagree the
truth to desist, but misery and cries for you, and
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cries for us, as I'm prepared to be the bus.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Never a tree when you were.
Speaker 4 (45:03):
Bee stares pond s.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
The sun is true.
Speaker 4 (45:08):
The father blind who we are fem Oh my mind
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Tre
The story once again for Dialogue Conspiracy with May Brussel.
For the past fourteen years, May has been researching the
facts behind political assassinations and abuses of power in this country.
Her program relates the news of the week to political conspiracies.
Dialogue Conspiracy originates with KLRBFM in Carmel, California, and now
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May Brussel.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Good afternoon. This is May Brussel and Carmel.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
This is September the twenty sixth, nineteen seventy seven, and
its Dialog Conspiracy number two hundred and eighty eight. Last
week I talked about the subject we never went to
the Moon and the possibility that the Moon landing was faked,
the possibility the mind control of the astronauts, and I
got a lot of response to that program, and I
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want to continue some more on that subject in a
few weeks from now, because people were particularly interested into
the origins of the Defense Intelligence Agency and into the
story of the astronauts their response upon landing.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
And there have been about eight.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Deaths of astronauts in non space jobs since the testing
of these men, mysterious accidents, and of course the question
was raised in that book that I quoted with something
done to them to get rid of those people that
knew too much or were breaking down under the possible programming.
I want to mention briefly that next week Rolling Stones
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is going to have out the article. October fourth is
the date for it to be presented on the news media.
The four hundred persons in the news media that worked
with the CIA or still work with the CIA.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Actually, I have.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
A copy of it here and I'm not going to
go into it on the year because there's not going
to be enough time to cover that article as it's
written by Carl Bernstein, and the best thing I think
is to buy it before they're sold out on the
stands if it comes out. The CIA has been struggling
with the Rolling Stones in New York City, and I
have information they're trying to suppress the article.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
There's been a lot of hassling going.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
On, and I hope that they're able to get this
article out and you'll be able to have it in
your hands, and I will mention a few parts of
it because of the new broadcast it's coming on Friday
and Sunday night American Broadcasting on the story of Lee
Harvey Oswald, and I want to go into that a
little bit as an example of the way the CIA
is still being used using rather the news media to
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give these stories that have no basis in fact. Before
I go too far into dialogue conspiracy today, I do
want to mention that we are changing the format after
this program is going to be different. It's going to
be on Sunday evenings from ten to ten thirty, no
more Monday from five.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
To fifteen to six o'clock. I will be able to
reach I think a larger audience.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
There's a lot of students, people coming home from work
that tell me they either sit in the car because
they have FM radio or they run into the house
because they have an FM and miss part of the program.
And I think that I'll be able to reach a
lot of people that have told me that it's been
difficult to catch it at the particular hour that we've
had it, although they've managed to do it and have
missed some shows because they were away the hour on
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a holiday.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Usually have these Monday.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Holidays and people are away and lose some of the
continuity and ask me for tapes. So Sunday evening is
a pretty good time. Everyone should be home from hiking
or boating or taking trips and be calmed down for
the evening. It'll be from ten to ten thirty. Now
we're going to drop fifteen minutes of this show. I've
been accused of speaking too fast. Wait till next week,
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till you me rolling along. I'll have to condense that
time or just leave out that information and hope that
you pick it up in the books that I suggest,
and I will be able to do so much thinking
for you or digesting of these books. I'll give you
titles of good books to read, and the authors a
lot of good old material coming out both I read
constantly a lot of old books as well as the
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new books. You'll have to do the homework yourself, and
I'll just maybe bring out a few of the highlights
and why the book is.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Important or the article is important.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
We discussed on Dialogue Conspiracy August the eighth, that's number
two hundred and eighty one in the program. The possibility
in Sacramento of doing a live show ten minutes a
week as against the tape show.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
We've done it for four weeks.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
The first week was like ten minutes and live, and
that wasn't satisfactory. We did forty five minutes live, and
I've done thirty minutes and ten minutes. But the listeners
aren't satisfied and I'm not satisfied. And they responded with
a lot of mail and a lot of telephone calls.
So kzapp is going back to Dialogue Conspiracy with thirty
minute time slot, and so this is a good time
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while they're putting on thirty minutes to cut it here
at this end, some of you will miss the information.
A lot of you may think it's too much information
for one time period anyway, and you can't please everybody.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I think it'll be okay.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
I'm happy with it, and I think it has another
advantage too. There are a lot of people ordering the
tape cassettes. They're going out to about thirty states now.
I have a notebook completely filled with people that are
getting these shows and ordering them all the time, and
there are a lot of people who want them who
can't afford them. They seem pretty high. The tape cassettes
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have been forty dollars and twenty cents for two shows,
forty five minute shows back to back. The price will
be dropped to three point fifty for two shows sixty
minute tapes, or the whole month, when there's four weeks
of the month will only be seven dollars, and I
think a lot of people will be able to afford
that a lot easier than the extra eight dollars and
forty cents. If you add it up over a period
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of time, I think it does make a difference, and
I'm glad to get the material out. There'll be shorter
tapes thirty minutes each side. And those of you who
are hearing this tape who sent me checks in advance,
I keep a record of the tapes that you've ordered
in the money, and I'll just rate it to figure
it out and apply it to the next tapes, and
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you'll be getting after this a thirty minute tape instead
of the forty five minute. And of course people call
from all over the country and they write letters, and
I'm answering about twenty or thirty letters a week write
to my home, which you usually do are called the house,
and it is anything that we haven't covered in that
extra ten or fifteen minutes, you can speak to me,
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and I'll be glad to go over with you. And
that is the way it'll come out well, as I say,
the Rolling Stones October fourth, this next week has a
dynamite article.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
It's written by Carl Bernstein, one of the two parts.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
He was the partner Bob Woodward got out the Watergate
story and two books on Watergate.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
As you know.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
As I said, they tried to stop the article in
New York City, but from what I've heard, at least
a day to day basis, it will be able to
be released.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
And this document I have it here.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
It's about sixty pages, copied mentions people like Joseph Alsop,
the New York Times, on the Washington Post, Henry Lew's
Time Life magazine of course owned by Loose before Life
went out of business, Louisville Courier Journal, the Kopley News
Service out of San Diego, the American Broadcasting Company ABC,
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the National Broadcasting Company, United Press CBS, the Columbia Broadcasting
the Hearst newspapers.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
And Reuters.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
I've all worked and still work for the CIA. The
article is clouded by Carl Bernstein half apologizing that they
formerly used overseas agents. But when you talked about the
assassinations and conspiracies in the United States, which various researchers
did at the time of Watergate, Carl Bernstein was covering
the tracks of the assassinations. And remember in their book
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on Watergate and the second book, The Final Dates, they
never went into the subject of Howard Hughes at the
time of Watergate, or the killing of Jadgear Hoover, or
the murder Mary Joe Capeshni, or the shooting of George Wallace,
all of which had to do the election of nineteen
seventy two, and all of these events had Watergate defendants'
names linked into those events. I don't consider Carl Bernstein
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and Flaming Investigator. He covers the field and he covers
up and maybe one of the purposes of clearing the
news media, because they have been mentioned in terms of
working in the United States and suppressing information, was to
say that this happened formerly, and it was in the past.
It wasn't in the past. It'll go on tomorrow. But
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it's a good article for what it tells you, and
then we have to take it to the next step.
I remember reminded when I read this article with the
minutes of the Warren Commission meeting. I have a bound
volume of some of the minutes of the Warren Commission
that David Lifton got out and Gerald Ford was a
member of the Warren Commission, you remember, and the subject
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came up at one of the first meetings, how should
we handle the press? What will do about news coverages?
And then it was Gerald Ford, the member of the
Warren Commission who had been appointed there by Richard Nixon,
who said, gentlemen, I can handle the AP and the UPI, meaning.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
The Associated Press and the United Press.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
So General Ford had that kind of clout in nineteen
sixty four, that was thirteen years ago, going on fourteen
years that the entire Warren Commission didn't have to worry
about lying about who killed the President of the United
States because he could handle the two major wire services
that go out around the world. He said, gentlemen, I
can handle the AP and the UPI. There's another section
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of the Warren Commission meetings where the members there are there,
in fact, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, Earl Warren,
as president, other members, distinguished members of the Warren Commission,
and they wanted to know what to do about a
person named Mark Blane who was exposing some of the
early conspiracies, or Joe Jostin from Germany who had written
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Oswald the Assassin or fall Guy, and those Mark Lane's
rush to Judgment was being put together. Jostin had a
book coming out that they came out shortly after the
war and report was published, and at the minutes of
the meeting they said, what will we do about these authors? Also,
you can in Paris who wrote who Killed Kennedy? So
the subject, when it was broached, was answered with, let's
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get the president of the United Press down here, and
they mentioned his name and.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
The president associated Press.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Bring them here and we'll say do you have any
evidence of a conspiracy? And if they say in their
files they don't have any evidence of a conspiracy, that
and the subject. Now, the implications on that are pretty
broad if you just think about it. What they were
saying was, don't bring in Mark Lane and ask him
what evidence do you have that we don't have. Don't
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bring in Jostin and say where're you getting your information?
Maybe you have something the FBI or the CIA or
Dallas police didn't tell us. You gentlemen are writing a book,
maybe we should include it into our investigation. No, the
mass media uses the propaganda machine to cover the big lie.
So all the Warren Commission did was called the major
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media and said, gentlemen, do you have anything you see
about a conspiracy?
Speaker 2 (11:10):
And they said no.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Therefore Mark Lane and Thomas Buchanan and Joe Jostin were
put aside, and later they became the first three people
to begin getting books published about the errors of the
Warren Commission. Now CBS is mentioned, of course throughout this.
For this document by Corl Bernstein, I think of Walter
Cronkite from Houston, Texas, who went on to become the
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great anchorman of CBS. Dan Rathers from Dallas, Texas, who
was in Dallas the day John Kennedy was killed, and
he's been a cover up artist of the assassinations from
the word go. Bill Moyers was another one of the team.
Bill Moyers has been promoted or asked for the appointment
to be along with Walder Crimekite next year on Fall,
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I guess or Spring CBS News Anchorman. Bill Moyers was
with Lyndon Johnson at the time John Kennedy was killed.
He was Lyndon Johnson's press secretariat when all the line
and covering up was going on, and he's mentioned in
the book who's who in the CIA. There is a
biography of Bill Moyers in that book that was published
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a few years ago, along with Frank Church and some
other well known investigators who look into these assassination matters.
When the CI has been named as a culprit, so
Bill Moyers is getting his promotion now. Jack Valenti was
part of that team and became Motion Pictures are and
Lyndon Johnson appointed to that job. So we have a
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CIA man being suggested to go along with Walter Cronkite
and CBS News when the CBS is named in the
Bernstein document the article as being an integral part of
this entire Cold War period. Of course, Henry Lose is
named a Time Life Magazine has been a conduit not
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only the Cold War for patriotic reasons, but has played
an active part, specifically in the Kennedy assassination. We could
do a whole show after you read the Rolling Stone
article on each branch that is mentioned in there, of
the television and the news, and show how they covered
up the assassinations. Hayes Gory, who writes for Time magazine
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and always covers the assassination information, debated with me on
the assassination up in Oregon.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Eugene, Oregon.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Last year, we were both invited together to speak and
he carried the same stories about Lee Harvey Oswald shooting
the rifle from the Texas school book Depository. And I
presented the site of Lee Harvey Oswald, the agent who
went in January of nineteen sixty to a Minsk radio
factory and the U two is down in May nineteen sixty,
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and that Lee Harvey Oswald was an agent of the
United States government who helped break the DNTANTE in nineteen
sixty that embarrassed President Eisenhower. Time magazine and life as
it existed in those days was notorious the assassinations story.
They printed immediately that picture of Lee Harvey Oswald holding
a rifle, that famous picture that was cut off at
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the chin and another body was put on. There was
Oswald's head above and a crooked body was holding this rifle.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
The shadows weren't consistent.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
You remember, under the nose the sun was straight up
and down when the rifle, shadows were in back and
the sun was in front of the body. They were
quick to print that and shoe Oswald's guilt. Live Magazine
quickly brought up the movie of Abraham's a Brewder and
doctored that up and switched the frames around. The Warrant
Commission moved those around. That was the movie that showed
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the killing of President Kennedy and his head going backwards,
showing how the weapon with a fatal.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Bullet came from the side to the right of John Kennedy.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Then they brought up the pictures of mister Roco. His
life was threatened. He was a man that was inside
of Jack Ruby's nightclub who had pictures that could posibly
link Bernard Weisman and Jack Ruby and members of the
YAF that had come from Germany military intelligence into the
Dallas Fort Worth theory for the time of the assassination.
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These pictures were quickly brought up and there was a
mystery about those pictures. And then of course Life Magazine
published on their cover the notorious diary of Lee Harvey
Oswald that was linked in the spring of sixty four
when the Warren Commission was working. He was linked by
none other than Warren Commission member Gerald Ford. The original
diary was not located at the time that Lee Harvey
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Oswald was arrested. Nobody knows how they came about to
find it. Nobody ever fingerprinted. It wasn't written in the
style that Oswald wrote, at least letters and applications for jobs,
and State department letters and his marine records. This had
no resemblance to Lee Harvey Oswald. And so time and
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life were a conduit and the political assassinations. And now
this article comes out that the New York Times was
the best agent that they had by far. And of
course the New York Times for the CIA have been
blood brothers. It was the New York Times that published
the immediate Warren Report and got out on the stands
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with an introduction by Harrison by Salisbury saying that anybody
who questioned the Warren Report that the government was printing
was mentally deranged, that they were unpatriotic, they weren't serving
their country, they would be mercenaries, they'd be mentally sick.
They could have at least put an introduction and said,
here is the book, figure it out for yourself, read it.
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History will be the judge. The New York Times has
been a propaganda of the CIA, their right arm all along.
And I recently finished an article for Conspiracy Newsletter out
of dearborn Michigan. And I said, what is known as
the liberal Washington Post of the New York Times would
make Adolf Hitler blush.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
They'd do such a good job.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
And of course the Washington Post and Newsweek owns they own.
Newsweek two is a conduit of the CIA, So the
American Broadcasting Company is named as well as CBS. And
an example of the American Broadcasting Company being used by
the CIA, as I say, will be this Friday Night
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and Sunday night is a two part story the trial
of Lee Harvey Oswald. Now all of the information taken
for this subject is going to be taken from the
Warren Report. And if you read the Warren Report, you
would be leieve Oswald was guilty. A TV guide has
a little form, and you're supposed to watch the show
and then send in your decision.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Was Oswald guilty?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Jack Ruby tried him the first time, he was the
judge and jury and killed Lee Harvey Oswald. And now you,
the audience, will have a chance to play your little game.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
You might write to the station.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
This would be the chance for those of you that
listen to this show take the address and right to
the American broadcasting company and say, why don't you let
me Brussel do a program on Lee Rvy Oswald based
on the twenty six volumes that the government printed and
sold in nineteen sixty four and present this evidence. Then
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take another vote and see if Lee Harvey Oswald was
guilty because in the twenty six volumes, there isn't any
evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald own a rifle, fired a rifle.
Every piece of evidence that linked him to the assassination
can be proven to be forged and planted, perjured testimony,
bought testimony, and what they couldn't buy.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Or fake, they killed the witnesses.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
I would like to present a two hour, four part
show on leerb Oswald and then have you take a vote.
It's interesting that eighty percent of the population in the
United States no longer believed the Warrant report, and I
think overseas in Europe and Asia that must be about
ninety nine percent because they still.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Get more news than we get.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
But every generation has to pass this story office history.
It doesn't matter if you don't believe it or not.
There's going to be a ten or eleven year old,
twelve year old child in your home. Someone seventeen or eighteen,
and they'll pick up the TV guide and they'll see
the movie. So that every generation has to get the
big lie and the brainwash. And that's the way that
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ABC does their job. And then in another month or two,
you'll see Jack Ruby and Lee Harvey Oswald's story put
out by CBS, and it will roll along, and we'll
have another job, and the beat goes on. Now, what
can you do? If the CIA controls the entire news media,
If Carl Bernstein's right, they control the Associated Press, United Press, Reuters,
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newsweek Time, the newspapers, the television. These are the main
sources of information, There isn't much you can do. I've
done as much as I can, as any one person
can do. I never dreamt when I started my research
that I would be doing as much as I have done,
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gotten as far as I have in spreading this information
around the country. I think one of the things you
can do is use your pen more. If you don't
like what's going on, you have a chance to write
to those stations and tell them you don't like their lies.
You have a chance to turn off the stations and
send a letter company and say I know you're lying
about these historical facts, so I don't want to watch
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the programming anymore. You can send in letters to editors,
you can write to your congressman. You can say I'm
not satisfied with these investigations. And you can call talk
shows on the radio. The West coast. There's KGO and
Ray Bream doown Los Angeles and New York. There's Candy
Jones and there's a Bob Williams. There's talk shows going
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on various cities around the country. You can call up
these talk shows they do reach all around the country
and put down the program and ask why the real
researchers are not allowed to work with these networks in
any shape or form, and why they continue to pass
out these lies. And I think the best thing is
to pull out the plugs. I know that on just
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this station here in Carmel. By doing this show, I've
reached to people, as I say, in thirty states, and
I travel around and I've getting ray for another trip
soon on a really exciting venture. And you can meet
people you wouldn't believe you can.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Meet that I have met through the research and work.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
And I think one of the most satisfying things is
that I've met students that are now going into journalism
because of listening to dialogue, conspiracy and radio work. I
know one out in Salinas, and I was lecturing up
in Seattle and met somebody, and one San Francisco, and
several and Sacramento, and in New York and Philadelphia and
also in Florida. I could just keep naming people that
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have gone into investigative journalism, that write to me, that
send me articles, as a woman in Minneapolis that sends
me books and articles and filled with information, and then
I can spread it on and share.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
It with all of you.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Is a New York researcher my name of Ted Gondolfo,
who has collected the best accumulation of tape recordings of
assassination information ever since the day that John Kennedy was killed.
Newspaper interviews, congressional hearings and talk shows and lectures of
all the various researchers. And he has literally thousands and
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thousands of hours of tape recorded library, just like I've
collected probably the best published library in the United States
private library of political assassinations, the books and articles I have.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Ted Gondolfo has these tapes in New York and he
offered them to the House Committee in Washington. They don't
want his research. They don't want my documents or other
people's work.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
So he's taken on a project now of cable television
and he's starting next Friday night in New York City
Cable TV, and he's going to have an hour show.
It's advertising the New York Cable TV Guide this week
it's called Assassination. Ted Gundolph, a longtime private researcher, is
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going to be a host of a weekly show to
deal specifically with the information that has been suppressed relating
to the assassination of John Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, Martin Luther King.
He will draw upon his personally compiled tape library of
more than four thousand hours, and he's going to take live.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Phone ins now.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
After accumulating all of this work, he realized that it's
not enough to get on the telephone and call me
every day in Carmel or other researchers. He's constant communication
with Harold Weisberg, who's done such fantastic work, and his
work isn't used by the Committee in Washington. Harold doesn't
trust them, and here He's published Whitewash one, two, three
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and four, and he has Frame up on the Martin
Luther King assassination. Penn Jones has written four books, Forgive
My Grief Blume's one, two, three and four. Penn has
gotten out a newsletter which you can subscribe to. It's
twenty four dollars a year and you can contact me
if you want the address, or just write mid Lothian, Texas.
He has a fantastic newsletter going out. Ted Gondalfa will
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have tapes of his weekly television show if you want,
and our tapes are available of Dialogue Conspiracy. And we
feel very strongly, people like Ted Gondalvo or Penn Jones,
or myself or Harold Wisebergy, that by permeating the media
in our own little way, whatever it is, and staying
with and staying with these facts, that we can reach
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a lot of people through the mainstream of America. Of course,
I write a lot of articles continuously for Midnight, which
is a small newspaper sold at the liquor stores and
grocery stores. But through one recent article at Midnight that
just came out, the one that I mentioned two weeks ago,
a certain person called me out of the boundaries of
the continental the United States and has now provided me
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is going to provide me with some of the most
more important documents that are available to any research in
the country. And I'm not free to go into them
right now. But the point is he's been reading all
the articles I've been publishing. He hasn't heard my radio programs.
I'm going to be sending some tapes. But just permeating
the news with these facts will reach the mainstream of America.
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And it has to be done, and it has to
be done as often as necessary, ad buy as many
people who want to get started in calling the talk shows,
writing letters, writing newsletters, and sharing information. Sylvia and Marr,
who did that fine book, the Accessories after the Fact,
and the subject index to the Warrant Commission hearings is
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going to be on Ted Gondolfo's program. There's a section
of Sylvia's book which I have to take issue with
her about the subject index leaves out the name I
think I mentioned on Dialogue, conspiracy of Howard Hughes, and
it also leaves out the names of twenty people from
military intelligence that infiltrated the YAF and the Dallas Fort
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Worth area, and I don't know why Sylvia left those out. Sorry.
When I was in New York last time and we
talked about that Torbet document that is so outstanding, the
research on the Kennedy assassination, and she said she didn't.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Have it and she didn't want to have it.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
And you have to discriminate in these researchers, how much
they want to know, how much they're working on a
need to know? Are they really just saturated or is
there an order? Are the researchers given cues of what
to print or not to print. I can name twelve
researchers in the Kennedy assassination, the most famous ones who
get in the media, who are absolutely working on a
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need to know basis, and I would challenge them. But
the important thing, I don't think Ted is going to
challenge her on the program. He'll use the information which
she has, which is good. And if the New York
listeners can read her book and absorb that much, then
they're one step ahead and then they can go on.
It's like stepping stones of awareness to break this assassination trip.
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And the reason I work with such speed and I
really spend some part of every day working and sometimes
as many as twelve or fourteen hours is I do
think that we're going to see the fruits of the
effort will be paid off in the next elections, or
we're going to be sorry that we didn't become more
aware of some of the things that are happening in
the news that I've been calling attention to, such as
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the chemicals and the food, the mind control, the weather, control,
the weapons systems. There's a lot of things happening to
people in America. I have piles of articles that I
don't even have time for on the program that are
important and shaping our lives, our health, our mental health.
The statistics of unemployment and mental health in this country
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are terrible, food poisoning, They're terrible. How much is purposeful
and how much is coincidental is something to be separated,
but it has to be considered, and of course I
keep working on that and believing that the origin of
a lot of this happened when the political assassinations were effective,
and when the cover up was effective, then the next
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person to get was us, the average citizen or the
middle class, and therefore we would begin to feel the
squeeze in banking and housing, and our economic security would
be shaky. If the assassinations were a plot and they
were successful, and you could pinpoint the people who were
doing it, which I was able to do after working many,
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many years, then you can predict what more they're capable
of doing based upon who's in the position of controlling
these specific chemicals. I just read this week that coffee's
coming in the United States with dildren and three other
deadly chemicals. And I've talked about Dildren. That's the cancer
poison chemical that was put in school lunch programs coming
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out of Mississippi chicken farms and sent specifically to Chicago
and Detroit to black, underprivileged children who could get cancer
from this. And when it was found that there is
dildrin in the chicken, the farmers were paid ten million
dollars to stop production of the chicken, but the people
who received it weren't allocated any money for future health benefits.
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Now I see that the American chemical countries are the
companies sending this Dildren and three other poisons down to
South America, and it's coming back in coffee. So you
have to begin to think twice in defending yourself or
your body and not absorbing that coffee. If the tests
are showing conclusively that dildrin is in the coffee, then
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you have to begin to switch to herb teas and
study the news and study these events and see who's
being paid off, who's making the profits, and how far
is it going to go? Well. I want to speak
a little bit about that committee in Washington, d C.
The House Select Committee. I haven't talked about them for
a long time. I called mister Robert Blakey, who's heading
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the committee. I wish I had time to write every
member of Congress. Maybe I'll have to get out some
kind of a newsletter and say stop the Monday money,
stop the committee, because the committee is a total ripoff.
I knew it was as early as nineteen seventy five,
but I've given it enough energy or leeway to watch
the direction they're going.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
And I called mister Blakey. He's the chief investigator.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Donovan Gay is their head investigator, and mister Blakee is
the man from Cornell University that was brought in to
be the chief counsel.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
I got on the telephone with him last week. Of course, he'd.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Never heard of my name, even though Ted Gundalfo had
a tape recorded conversation regarding me about a day earlier.
Mister Blakee said he'd never heard of me. I asked him,
have you read the Torbott Document. The Torbet Document I'm
referring to specifically is that unpublished manuscript that came out
of Texas in nineteen seventy that has been given to
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the Assassination Information Bureau with their headquarters they've moved down
from Boston to Washington. It names the agents of the
Defense Industry Security Command, the Pentagon, the Division five of
the FBI, and the source of funding of the assassins around.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
The world that was put up through church fronts.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
The Torbet Document has not been disproven in any shape
or form. It's filled with information about who killed John Kennedy.
So I said to mister Blakeie, have you seen the
Torbet Document. There's no use for me flying to Washington,
DC with it if he hasn't. And the chief investigator said,
I can't tell you if I've seen it.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
You can't tell.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Me yes or no, either I have it or I
don't have it, so that I can send it to you.
At three hundred pages. I'll pay for it. It costs
time and money to duplicate it. I want to make
sure it's in your hands. Can you say, yes, I
have it, don't bother, or no, I don't have it.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Send to me.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Now, this is the chief counsel who's supposed to get
two million dollars within two year time to investigate the
murder of John Kennedy.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
He said, I will not tell you if I have it.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Now.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
The point is a if.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
He has it and doesn't use it, then he'd be
charged with a cover up. And it is therefore he
won't admit whether or not he has it. But if
they have it there and they're not using it, it
is an absolute proof positive that the bottom line of
the investigation of the Kennedy assassination has to be the
anti Castro Cubans and the CIA, and that they refuse
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to go into the links of say the Eastern Wall
Street bankers, the huge corporations in Chicago, General Dynamics, and
people whose names are in this document like John Connolly
and Albert Jenner, who is a member of the Warrant
Commission's staff. And there are the links there of Albert
Osborne of the Defense until Agency who went to Mexico
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with A Lee Harvey Oswald in the fall of nineteen
sixty two, So the chief attorney there would not say
if he had it. I'm going to send a copy
of the Torbot document to the House Committee in Washington,
DC and send it registered in his name and ask
them please to acknowledge in some form they received it.
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Then if they don't use it, that will be a
sure factor way of saying to the Congress, don't throw
it up to us. Later we researchers that we have
seen this, that you've investigated this document, because later they'll say,
we can't go into the Kennedy matter to anymore. We've
given two years in two million dollars and found no
evidence of a conspiracy. So now the trick is like
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serving a subpoena, is to put in mister Blakie's hands
this document, and if they look into that, it would
take him about six years more to really lay on
the table who killed John Kennedy. I then said to him,
do you have David Lifton's book, the document them on
the Warren Commission. These are the printed meetings of the
Warren Commission, and mister Blakey said, I don't have to
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tell you. Well, do you know what that means for
somebody like myself, who has collected about eight hundred books
on the political assassinations, who spent eight years cross following
every single world of the Warren Commission documents twenty six
volumes cross find them into approximately twenty eight thousand pages
about forty or fifty spiral notebooks, breaking down all of
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the testimony would be useful to this commission. That man,
the chief Investigator, would not give me the time of day.
If I had just come in off the street and
used a payphone and asked him, I have the minutes
of the Warren Commission meetings. Do you want them? That
person should deserve an answer no.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
I don't want them.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
I already have a set or yes, send them to us.
Why do you think we need them? But all I
got from the chief Investigator was I don't have to
tell you. And I mentioned him that in order to
be knowledgeable about the assassinations, he has to know about
the Torbet document as well as the minutes of the
Warren Commission meetings, because they're.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Consistent with a cross filing idead.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
On the twenty six volumes, and he said he was
going to hang up on me, and he did. Fortunately,
I have learned to tape record these conversations. I didn't
used to tape record them, but Ted Gondolfo taught me
how to tape record.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
It's very easy and.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
They will be historically valuable to show another layer of
cover up, so that four years from now, when you
find that mister Blakey and the Justice Department worked.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
With the CIA, you'll find that the CIA is.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
One more time investigating the assassination of John Kennedy. I
mentioned September the twelfth on Dialogue Conspiracy two weeks ago
that Lauren Hall was supposed to be called as a
witness before the House Select Committee. Back there, Lauren Eugene
is an important witness. We have done some programs on
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Dialogue Conspiracy about him. He was trained in the CIA
with the ant Castro Cubans and for the Bay of
Pigs operation. So many witnesses have been killed and Lauren
Hall so far has survived. He was with the committee
in June, and when he took the fifth and refused
to testify, mister Blakey said return in the fall, and
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I announced, as I say two weeks ago that Lauren
Hall was supposed to show up on Wednesday, September the
fourteenth for testimony about the Kennedy assassination. Before he was
only asked, were you in Dallas the daily assassination? Well,
the committee very nicely postponed mister Hall's appearance. He doesn't
even have to postpone. They waited, imagine, from June to September.
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Whatever they were going to ask him in June, they
could have asked them. And I was sure that Lauren
Hall would be dead by September.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
He's still alive. But conveniently, he's been informed by the
commit Any staff members that his appearance has been put
off and that he doesn't have to appear until an
unspecified future date. I hope he stays well.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Lauren Hall has said that the Warren report is in quote,
a whitewash, but that's all that he has to say
about it. There is a new witness who came forward.
She came forward last week, Mariita Lorenz in the Washington
was not in the Washington Post or the New York
Times or the Associated Press or any of the newspapers
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listed as CIA conduits. The New York Daily News carried
this story about Mariita Lorenz and I think it's important.
And again this is the way the CIA works by
not carrying this on the wires services. Maybe they will
next week, but as of this date, I haven't seen it.
This article came from my friends in New York September
the twentieth. This woman says she drove to Dallas, Texas
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from Miami with learv Oswald and Frank Sturgis several days
before John Kennedy was killed. She drove to Dallas, Texas
with Frank Sturgis two days before Kennedy was slaine, and
then she went back to Miami.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Now this will make aj Weberman happy.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Weberman is the gentleman who wrote the book Coudata in America,
and he claims that Frank Sturgis is photographed at Delley
Plaza and he's one of the tramps that was taken
away by the police and never charged for any crime.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Or mention why he was a suspect.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
And of course it makes May Brussel happy because in
August nineteen seventy two, I wrote the first published account
in the world saying that Frank Sturgis of Watergate fame,
who was arrested at the Watergate Hotel, had a history
that went all the way back to the John Kennedy assassination,
and that the FBI was busy interviewing him the day
after the assassination back in Miami. Well Marita claims that
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she was with Orlando Bosch, who's now serving time in
Venezuela in prison for Blois up the Cuban airplane last
year over Puerto Rico, and she was with Pedro Diaz,
Laance and Frank Sturgis, and she says they went to
Dallas and they belonged to a secret gorilla group formed
by the CIA called the forty Operation forty, and this
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group was trained for assassination teams.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Frank Sturgis had said earlier that he was.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Part of an assassination team and that he worked for
the forty Committee. And he has admitted that he's close
to mister Bosh and mister Lance and that missus Lorenz
could have been in his home and that he did
in fact know who she was. She's the woman that
was hired by the CIA and Robert Mayhew, the used
cover to use at Castro Cubans. She was a Cuban
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to poison Fidel Castro, which she didn't do. She was
sent to Cuba to poison him. She worked with assassination teams.
This evidence or testimony isn't sworn testimony.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
It isn't before the committee.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
It's an you in the newspaper press conference in New
York City by Miss Lorenz. Is important. It's important because
Lee Harvey Oswald had a double. One double was in Miami.
One double was taken by a car out of the
book depository Leearby Oswald, the original Lee Harvey Oswald, I
(40:22):
don't want to confuse. It was in this Texas school
book depository. He was on the second floor having a
Coca Cola when the police entered.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
The Oswald that.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Was in Russia left the front of the Texas school
Book Depository and got in the car owned by Michael
and Ruth Payne, and the Lee Harvey Oswald that was
in Russia came back to missus Roberts rooming house and changed.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
His clothes and a police car hanked and he left
that rooming house.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
The Oswald double was in Miami and worked with the
anti Castro Cubans.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
He was picked up in a theater and was arrested.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
The double left the school book depository from behind the
other ones. I say that it was in Russia, left
in front. The double took the bus and the cab
and was seen near the theater. I don't believe he
killed Officer Tippett at all. The Oswald double was on
the fifth floor and fired a rifle from the Texas
school Book Depository.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
And of course I believe the.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Oswald double, the one that was in the car with
Miss Lorenz and Frank Sturgis, was murdered, and that the
Lee Harvey Oswald that had been to Russia that left
the school book Depository from the front of the building,
I believe is alive and will surface some time in
the future.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
I don't believe that that is the one that was killed.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
But her mentioning that she was with Lee Harvey Oswald
and Frank Sturgis two days before the assassination does confirm
the fact that there was this double, and that he
came from Miami, and they did have weapons, and they
were in Dallas, and she said they laid out on
the table maps of Dallas and were with them and
(42:01):
spread them out and studied them, and she thought they
were going to rate an arsenal or go where weapons
were stashed. And Miss Lorenz is somewhere hiding in New
York City. It's hard to get to her. She has
as they've been interviewed by the Associated Press United Press.
You haven't seen her story yet in Time magazine. But
she did service this week and hopefully she will go
(42:22):
to the committee. And of course they'll only be confused
by the two doubles because one was working at the
Texas School Depository when one was driving in with Frank
Sturgis from Miami. But she is an important witness because
of the work I've done on the Oswald Doubles. Well,
our time is up on Dialogue Conspiracy in about half
a minute over here. I'll see you next Sunday night
(42:44):
from seven to seven point thirty. And tell your friends
in case they missed the program today, and we'll see
how the new time slot goes. Until then, take care
and we'll see you next week on Dialogue Conspiracy.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
This is a truth I thought too. So we're driving
down Route sixty eight, a car in front.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Who they were not?
Speaker 4 (43:07):
It's not behind, it's not a ford.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Where is the truth?
Speaker 4 (43:12):
How things happened? If it was yesterday, it wasn't eighteen
ninety four. And if tomorrow not a two gone true,
there'll be another truth in store for those who think
it's no truth.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
They all depends point of view.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
Who lock us up to fire the ball, they'd only
for a gentleman.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
He is president. It's just a choice.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
You should not incite or claim is flame.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
One November night, I heard.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
The screaming halls New America and change her name. Would
not say.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
You and I are not you who.
Speaker 4 (43:56):
Call three things enemies. You are clearly now the enemies,
and we will do what we must do and keep
it free.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
Like I was right.
Speaker 4 (44:08):
She must say that they must slave.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
You must have heard, and.
Speaker 4 (44:13):
We will never really rise again. The mind, the mind
of the plastic you who.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Gave the word.
Speaker 4 (44:20):
They cannot just mow us down, because they who are
the arch and nemic one. Ours are free, tender girl, ours,
enough planate soul. So you and I would disagree the
truth to desist, but misery and cries for you, and
(44:41):
cries for us, as I'm prepared to be the bus.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Never a tree when you were.
Speaker 4 (45:03):
Bee stares pond s.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
The sun is true.
Speaker 4 (45:08):
The father blind who we are fem Oh my mind
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Tre
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