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Speaker 1 (00:06):
It's time once again for Dialogue Conspiracy with May Brussel.
For the past fourteen years, May has been researching and
uncovering facts and evidence from between the lines of the
news and placing them in a more thorough perspective of
how conspiracy, political assassination power affect us all. Dialogue Conspiracy
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originates with KLRBFM in Carmel, California, and now May Brussel.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Good Evening. This is May Brussel call. If we're not
on the air. This is a story that's not going
over the air, but we'll see what's happening here on
the board. Is it on the air now? Okay, Good evening.
It's May Brussel and Garmel, California. This is Dialogue Conspiracy
number two hundred and ninety six and it's November the twentieth,
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nineteen seventy seven, is fourteenth anniversary this week of the
assassination of John Kennedy. That's when I started my work.
November twenty fourth, nineteen sixty three, the day that Jack
Ruby shot Lee Harvey Oswald to was handcuffed inside the
Dallas jail and it was viewed on national TV. I'm
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not going into the Kennedy assassination. Today, I do talk
about it on and off on dialogue conspiracy, and I
have no confidence in the committee in Washington. I'll be
talking about that more in the next few weeks. I
do jump back and forth on this research. The investigation
in the assassination of John Kennedy led me down a
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lot of paths. I got into various aspects of government
control after this event and other assassinations and literally hundreds
of murders that go into the thousands now. And it
also led me to stories of mind control and government
connivance and burglary, wire tapping, and various crimes to numerous
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list in a half hour show. And in the course
of my research on the Kennedy assassination, I met researchers
from all over the United States and many from other countries.
And someday I'll do a book about the experience just
of the researchers. And some of them are fantastic people.
I call them the soldiers of America. I refer to
them as real soldiers. And some of them have been
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filtrated the research group and worked for the government in counterintelligence.
Are counterproductive and divisive and do the research no good
at all. We won't go into those tonight, but I
did meet a woman in Salinus who's a fantastic person,
Lydia Blades, and she's with me tonight and she's going
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to be my guest. For those of you that remember Lydia,
I got such a good response. It was November the first,
nineteen seventy six. Remember, just a year ago, Lydia was
on the show and we talked about a book that
came out called File on the Czar by Anthony Summers
and Tom Mangold, and Lydia and I were talking about
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problems in the Middle East. She probably is an expert on history,
the one historian that I have full confidence in that
can relate the research I do, the political assassinations to
the moving of governments, and Lydia has studied history, the
important history that affects today. How far back would you
say your work goes down to nineteen oh five?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Is at the main date?
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Well, I concentrate on nineteen oh five forward. I don't
know any historian in the public view who thinks that
nineteen oh five is an important date. But I think
it's the opening gun.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Of World War One and World War two.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
That's right, But what we want to talk about tonight
we won't cover that whole breadth of history. We were
talking about the arrival of Answar Sadat in Israel, and
I watched that yesterday. I was literally moved to tears.
I think is one of the most dramatic scenes that
I've seen on the surface, Didn't you think it was
very dramatic surface riding in on the red carpet and
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the Israeli national anthem and the very movie flags from Egypt.
And it was as moving to me as the Kennedy
assassination on television. The whole story, the killing of Kennedy
and then the killing of le Ariy Oswald in the
funeral that provided so far fourteen years of research and
literally about one hundred and seventy five.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Hundred and eighty books now on that murder.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
And I had the feeling that something was happening here
with John Chancellor and Walter cronkride and you wanted to
believe there was peace.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
And Lyddy and I talked about it.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Lydia has studied these countries in the Middle East so
much that.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
We're going to go into that a little bit.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
And I wanted to share her feelings about what she
thinks happened. Many times on Callerby, I have speculated the
minute son of Sam Surface or the Churchill kidnapping. I've
expressed my views based upon the way the he candled,
the Manson family of the Patty Hirst kidnapping, and the
way I see similarities of individuals affecting our social force
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by the intelligence community. Lydia sees the moving of nations
in the same way and is able to put these
pieces together and on the basis of past history, speculate
on the future and offer her opinion. So this is
what I wanted to share tonight, and I wanted to
talk about a prime minister began.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
First of all, there.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Isn't much known abou him except that he led the
air gun. Is there much about him in these.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Recent years before he took over as prime minister.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
No, I don't know too much about him as a
person from the time he was in the argun.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
That's right, there's a big missing gang missing. There's the Voisha,
Diana and Gold in my air. But he's a missingly
when he was leading the air gun, I was in
Palestine at the time, in nineteen thirty six when his
group was bombing the King David Hotel, And I thought
it was interesting to hear that Answars said that was
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going to be staying there at that hotel, and that
the man who was in charge of that violence at
the time was a prime minister.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
But there's a lot of missing years, aren't there in
the background.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Well, you know, there's a saying that, I like, old
terrorists never die, they just turn into prime ministers.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Is that your own? Well, no, I think.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
I've heard that somewhere else. But it's remarkably.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
True that he's caught.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Yes, not only a Fagan but others, but many others
were terrorists in their time.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Well, and you know, Answar saidad has been named in
books as being a member of the Borman Brotherhood. It
took a thousand year oath to maintain the promises of
Adolf Hitler that he worked with. And as a matter
of fact, when they decide that they wouldn't meet on
Monday in Israeli councils as speaking either Hebrew or Egyptian,
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they both said they could speak Polish. They're both trained
in Polish, which I thought was interesting because I'm not
familiar where answarsa Dot learned his Polish.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
No, the same thing is true with him. From there's
a gap, there's a tie knowledge of him.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
So we have these two mysterious people that I did
see on sixty minutes, talking and looking a tongue in cheek,
knowing the mystery of these two men. There's a tongue
in cheek about them. So I wanted you to share
your information about these countries specifically. For example, what do
you think what do you think is the purpose of
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answars a Dot meeting Prime mister began in Israel at
this time?
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Well, may this is a situation in which I would
rather be wrong than president.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I let me interrupt by saying she has a good
batting average. Just say what you think they're doing? Well.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
I hope that this is not going to happen, but
it does strike me that the stage is set for
a triple play in the middle. And if you have
an Atlas handy, you might look at a map. If
you don't have an Atlas handy, write it down and
look at the atlas afterward. If these three things happen simultaneously,
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then there could be a disaster in store. If the
shaw of Iran moves into Iraq and takes a Wreq,
while at the same time Sadat moves into Libya Libya
and takes Libya, and simultaneously Bagan moves into Syria and
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thereby acquires both Syria and Lebanon. That would be a disaster.
I think for this reason, the three socialist countries in
the Middle East are Libya, Syria, and Iraq, so that
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if this occurred, Russia wouldn't be almost forced to intervene and.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Go to war. You think we're like a missile crisis, that.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
We are at a point where the CIA arranging this
through Kwalter Cronkite and so moving these people together, are
moving to get rid of the socialist countries in the
Middle East totally where Russia has any influence at all.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
That's correct. Now that's one possible result, But it would
Russia would be in the position of standing by a
woman standing by watching her daughter get raped. She'd have
to move.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
You think that Russia wouldn't allow it.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
I don't think she could.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Would Israel make a deal with Saddat that Egypt could
take over Libya?
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yeah, and Israel wouldn't respond.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
This is what makes me so suspicions, because you do
have to admit that the last two people in the
world to have dinner together tonight would be Sadat and
Began unless unless it was to their mutual benefit. Now,
the one thing that Egypt, for instance, would have to
do before she could move on Libya would be secure
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her border with Israel is.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Her rear end. Each one of these countries.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Has a rear end, that's right. And the one thing
that Began would have to do before he moved into
Syria would be secure his border with Egypt. And that
is what they are doing tonight.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
And how do you feel what would Began have to
gain by meeting with Answar.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Sadat securing their border.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
To secure the border, and Egypt would be securing their borders.
And they would agree that if they both became the attackers,
one against Lebanon, one against Libya, they would remain silent.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
They wouldn't rupt each other.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
That's what I think is very possibly being arranged.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
And you think the major goal is to take over
the socialist countries in the Middle East for.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
The CIA, That's just one advantage. Another advantage would be,
you know, if you're the shaw of Iran and you
run a tight ship, and then some you can't stand
to have a socialist country next door broadcasting all the
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virtues of our freedom. That's not what you want?
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Is that why the SHAW is getting so many arms? Now?
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Well, he's been buying arms as if money were no object,
you know, And I followed to some extent, what kind
of arms he's buying. He's buying aggressive arms, he's not
buying he's not erecting any marginal lines.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I always felt that we were arming the Shaw of
Iran to take over Saudi Arabia if we needed their oil.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
You don't think that's a possiblity.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
I don't think that Saudi Arabia is going to bother
the SHAW much because it isn't broadcasting any propaganda about
how good socialism is.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Do you think that they can deal with the monarchy there?
Speaker 4 (12:19):
I think they do desperately want to get rid of Iraq.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
And the troubles sores are Iraq.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Well, Lebanon isn't a trouble stor why would they let
Israel attack Lebanon?
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Well, I don't think Israel would attack Lebanon. I think
Israel would attack Syria. Syria's army is right now occupying Lebanon,
so that if Israel took Syria, they would get Lebanon.
But there is one pearl in Lebanon, and that is Beirut.
I don't know if you're aware of this, but if
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you fly safe from London to Delhi to India, the
stopover is Beirut. And that is the Wall Street of
the Middle East.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yes, you refer to that as the Paris or the Switzerland,
the banking center of the Middle.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
East, the trading center, all sorts of financial business and
uh and clout.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Do you think the CIA would let Israel take Pirute, Yes,
I think they would.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
They would, Yes, I don't think Lebanon is very dear
to the CIA's.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Heart, so that you feel that the move that they're
making now is for aggression in.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
The Middle East.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Yes, of blitzkreeg of blitz Creek. In other words, I
think this may take place so quickly that but either
time the world rubs its sleepy eyes and say it says,
oh what was that?
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah, well, I think we're doing this. We're getting ready
to take Uganda. I think that there's a newspaper I
take that doesn't have an article about idiot. I mean
and cruelty, and there's nothing any different than what's happening
in our prisons or the people being killed in this country.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
You know, these witnesses, just the congressional hearings.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Being slain, blown up, car accidents, cancers, you know, mysterious diseases.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
And so forth.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
We have these killings going on here. I mean, can't
be any different than what we're doing here. But there
hell bet on taking Central Africa, and that'll.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Be a blissed creak of a kind. He'll be dead
one day and then the coffee in the minerals and resources.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
They'll have a central place spoke of the wheel to
take over all of Africa.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
From well, I'm almost entertained by the sermons on human
rights because you can't even mention human rights in the
same sentence with South Africa or Iran.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
And yet our investments are over there. It's impossible to
pull out. They have so many investments over there. What
are the precedents of history where two swindlers had a
grin such as three of them sitting on national television,
uh Walter cron Guye who has always been affiliated you know,
particularly these new exposes, but always on the side of
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the say, sitting with answer said and Prime Minister Bagan.
What precedents in history where there were these these Ruffians
sat together and grinned and put something over on us.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Well, there were some very entertaining precedents.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
I think of the Berlin fact. You know of Stalin and.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Hitler world War two.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Prior to World War two, where everyone thought there'd be peace.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Oh, yes, the Berlin Moscow packed was a case of
of two connivers.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Yes, and everyone thought that the purpose of Adolf Hitler
with Joseph Stalin was peace. And yet shortly afterwards the
war broke up.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Well, he was securing his rear exactly the way I
think that that. I mean, before attacking Poland, he wanted
to know that one border was going to be quiet.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yeah. Did Stallin agree to be quiet? Then?
Speaker 4 (16:02):
When he didn't have too many alternatives.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
He just didn't do anything.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
No, No, I have as a matter of fact, I
have the secret protocol on that particular meaning treaty. And
it's lovely to read. Sometimes I must give you that, man,
if you're reading, we won't go into it now. But
very interesting. These secret deals are unlievably crude. There's one
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where three swindlers sat down and partitioned the whole country
of Poland.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Well, didn't Japan sit with Germany and partition all of
Russia in nineteen oh five. We once talked about that
they partitioned who would get the Baldic of the Ukraine
and the oil the minerals. And actually, prior to World
War One they had divided RUSSIAU didn't they?
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Yes, in their minds, they had it all all agreed,
all agreed. Japan was to take part of Siberia, and
England was to go in and have the Baccu oil fields,
and Turkey was to take some and Germany.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
What was the reason, So the Tzar was corrupt that
they were going to divide it out.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
No, No, the reason was that the Tzar had Well,
of course the Tazar was corrupt, yes, but the Czar
had had a war with Japan, and Japan being a
feudal country almost at that time, and Russia being the
greatest power on earth. Japan won and sank almost all
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of Russia's navy while she was at it, and.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
This was incredible, so they thought they could go back
and take all around.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Well, the message it was sent out to the world
was Russia is weak. Yeah, all right, not only that,
but her strategists are age seven.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Is this similar to the Middle East where they're figuring
these countries are weak, that they can come in now
and maybe take them one.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Yeah, well not nearly so strong, you see, as they ware.
And when Nasser was alive, and he kept up a
strong union between say Syria and Egypt, and they would
they were agreed to go to one another's aid. But
in this situation, none of them can help the other
because they're being attacked.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
At the same In other words, if Syria's being attacked,
Iraq can't go to their aid because they'd be attacked
at the same time.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Correct, And Egypt can't go to Syria's help aid because
she's busy attacking Libya.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Well, why would Egypt go to Syria if they're socialists?
Or why would the Iranians help their Iraq If they're socialists,
they would want undermine them and take them.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Well, Arabs to help Arabs? Do you see Nasser emphasize
the Arab aspect.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
So that he would have helped Syria. Yes, but no longer.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
I mean that Saddat hasn't got any.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
How much does Sadat owe the Soviet Union.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Well, Saddat is a man between a rock and a
hard place. He borrowed money from from Russia as if
it were going out of style, and the well, the
exact amount I don't know, but he did announce that
he was only going to pay I think part of
the interest, none of the principle. Hundreds of millions and
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and and they loaned it to him very low interest.
But he can't pay it back. And he also has
borrowed from the United States. And there there is no
way for him to get any more big loans unless
he produces some something of benefit to his his lenders.
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Do you think that the such as Libya?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Do you the CIA could set up these countries just
like they did in Southeast Asian Camvaldi and Laos and
Vietnam South Vietnam. They set up a system where the
lower economic class an American, the students and the poor
were sent to fight, and the people that sent the guns,
the aeroplanes, the helicopters that made the war made tremendous profits,
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so it didn't matter who was fighting over there. The
profits at home created a millionaire class in this country.
And then the CIA got into the narcotics, traffic, and
of course it's.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Just going full blown.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Do you think that the CIA could set up these countries,
because we know the CIA is behind this meeting of
as far as a Dot and NATS and Fagan, do
you think they could set this up to divide and
conquer these countries against each other as an excuse to
send Americans the Middle East in quotes, to cause peace again.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
In other words, ship people over.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
We have these these men going over now that are
paid mercenaries, but we want to maintain a total control
of all oil in the Middle East and the Mediterranean Sea.
Do you think we could create these people against each
other as an excuse to send Americans over there?
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Well, I think that I think that the word is oil, Yeah,
number one.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
But oil, there's this whole armament industry war.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
There are let me go back to one thing you
mentioned about narcotics. There's oil, there's money, there's power. But
let me go back to narcotics. There's so many things.
Narcotics has from time immemorial been used to raise money
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for espionage. Wherever you have an empire, which require especially
a far flung empire, you have narcotics and the moment
you begin to run across large scale narcotics, then you
only have to look for espionage and it's right around
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the corner.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Well, this is what I was wandering, the home of
the narcotics around here in Turkey and the whole scene
over there Opium and Werens, Carol and Syria.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Is this setting up?
Speaker 2 (22:10):
For example, say the way the Black Panthers were set
up viewing Newton against the Eldridge Cleaver and the divide
and conquer principle.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
It's studying the women's group.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
But Betty for against Gloria Steinem recently, she came out
last week and a listener sent me a Betty for
Dan saying, Oh, the CIA isn't taken over the women's movement.
They were divided and conquer everything as going is okay?
Could they encourage these countries to invade and make war
against each other as an excuse to drop American troops
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like we did in Southeast Asia, turn them against each
other and come in the protectors again. The reason I
asked that is that when you get Cyrus vance and
the same team. You know, mister Slessenger a Secretary of Defense,
He's now in on the energy, the oil deals, and
natural gas, and so for when you get the same
team that gave you Vietnam appointed by Jimmy Carter, they're
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going to give you the Middle East. So then the
questions you sit back and look at these people. Do
they write the script? We know they're.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Promoting a lot of this.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Do you think they're affecting these changes in other words,
encouraging the Shaw that hey, you can go on down
and take care of Iraq, the kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Well, you see, there has to be something. The first
thing that clues you in, I think is that there
has to be something deadly wrong when people who have
had anything to do with Vietnam and Cambodia, people who
have had anything to do with Watergate, are resurrected as
honest citizens and fed force fed down our throats again.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Well, Clark Clifford came out as attorney for Bert Lance,
and he was the original attorney for the Howard Us
Richard Nixon loans. I mean through all of history, the war,
Lyndon Johnson's attorney, the same people repeating the same script.
Are they going to get us into the same wars?
Can you sit and watch Answorth said dot arrive and
feel that there's going to be peace.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
In the Middle East, not with these people.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
No.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
No, I think the only reason why Began and Sadat
are going to cooperate is because they both have something
great to gain.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
And Israel will gain the security of its northern fields. Yes,
the lad board, they've just a week before said Dot
came to Egypt to Israel.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Uh, the Israelis.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Were attacking Lebanon, right, shelling Lebanon for no reason at all.
If you're going to sit down and talk with an
Arab leader, you're certainly not going to be bombing an
Arab country unless you have an agreement that that's kosher
with them.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Well, for instance, uh Bagan told Uh Lebanon and Siri, look,
you can't have any soldiers within five miles of the
Israeli border. Now what do you think uh, United States
would say if if Canada said to the United States, look,
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you can't have any soldiers within five miles of our border.
That's not something that you say. If you're looking for peace.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
So you and you think the sha Iran is getting
arms to get into Iraq, I would be aggressive.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
I certainly don't think that he's doing it to come
to a tea party.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
What does Iraq have in terms of oil and iraategy?
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Iraq doesn't have as much as as Iran.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
But.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
She does have. You see, if you look at the
map here, mate, what you see is a passageway of
friendly countries for Russia down into the Middle East. Once
Iraq and Syria are gone, are turned into parts of
Iran or parts of Israel, Russia has just backed up
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right into their own boundary.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Do they need these paths anymore?
Speaker 2 (26:02):
With the kind of planes and transportation that we have,
do they need to get through?
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Do you mean for survival? No? Yes, no, not for survival.
But on the other hand, it's something that Russia cannot overlook.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
All these socialist countries.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
And I imagine that that should Russia intervene, the first
country that would catch it would be Iran. They have
a common border and and I'm sure that their path
would be down through Iran. So I can see that
the Shaw is treading very dangerous ground, indeed, particularly the show.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Okay, one last question or we have time for two
more questions? Do you think that this is as treacherous
as the missile crisis that we're playing on the brink
of world War three. Yes, I got some information about
the possibility. I did on Kayla Rbia. He was this
last August that we were about to go to war
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over an incident in Albania, and mister jan K fields
to give me that from up in Sacramento, and I
began to read the history books and go over them.
I think I went over them with you. We were
indeed almost at the brink of World War three when
John Kennedy was president. They drove him to almost the brink.
And here's this team taking Jimmy Carter right to the
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edge of the water now. And he's so ineffectual and
dependent upon these advisors that he'll do anything that they want.
He's not a historian in that, No.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
I don't think he's a student of history. But then
when you consider in nineteen sixty that we almost went
to war over Keim Moy and Matt Too, and the
very man who was willing to make war over Keim
mo Oy and Matt su was the man who went
to be king in Moscow, then one never knows.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
You never know.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
So you think that Russia would step in? And do
you think that Saddad is making a deal now that
if he moves west into.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Israel, will just let them take it. They're all going
to secure their borders.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
I feel sorry for Sadat. I don't think there's a
way in the world that he can win. I especially
feel sorry for Sadat because supposing this is effective and
he does go in and take Libya, just because he
went to Jerusalem, I think he will be assassinated.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yes, once, and if he's made a secret deal, they
can always assassinate him because he's made enough natural enemies.
Now that the secrecy of the deal, he can't come
back later and say, hey, you told me this.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Because he's created natural enemies.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
He can't announce the deal if it's what I think
it is.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
That's the way.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
These people that work for the CIA, these hundreds that
were killed, witnesses these assassinations, they never can live to say, hey,
I was double crossed after I did the deal, because
they're murdered.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
And history racist.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Well, neither of us are very optimistic about the Middle East.
But Lydia knows more than I do on that subject.
That's why I wanted her to share her information on
those countries. Because while I was moved, as I said,
watching TV, I also had a feeling that something bigger
was happening and that we'll sit back and watch, and
thanks to God for coming Lydia will come back again
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soon because she's got a lot to share with you.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
And oh, I'm so glad you asked me.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Now, okay, this is May Brussel and Carmel. We'll see
you next week on Dialogue Conspiracy.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
You've been listening to Dialogue Conspiracy with May Brussel,
It's time once again for Dialogue Conspiracy with May Brussel.
For the past fourteen years, May has been researching and
uncovering facts and evidence from between the lines of the
news and placing them in a more thorough perspective of
how conspiracy, political assassination power affect us all. Dialogue Conspiracy
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originates with KLRBFM in Carmel, California, and now May Brussel.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Good Evening. This is May Brussel call. If we're not
on the air. This is a story that's not going
over the air, but we'll see what's happening here on
the board. Is it on the air now? Okay, Good evening.
It's May Brussel and Garmel, California. This is Dialogue Conspiracy
number two hundred and ninety six and it's November the twentieth,
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nineteen seventy seven, is fourteenth anniversary this week of the
assassination of John Kennedy. That's when I started my work.
November twenty fourth, nineteen sixty three, the day that Jack
Ruby shot Lee Harvey Oswald to was handcuffed inside the
Dallas jail and it was viewed on national TV. I'm
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not going into the Kennedy assassination. Today, I do talk
about it on and off on dialogue conspiracy, and I
have no confidence in the committee in Washington. I'll be
talking about that more in the next few weeks. I
do jump back and forth on this research. The investigation
in the assassination of John Kennedy led me down a
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lot of paths. I got into various aspects of government
control after this event and other assassinations and literally hundreds
of murders that go into the thousands now. And it
also led me to stories of mind control and government
connivance and burglary, wire tapping, and various crimes to numerous
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list in a half hour show. And in the course
of my research on the Kennedy assassination, I met researchers
from all over the United States and many from other countries.
And someday I'll do a book about the experience just
of the researchers. And some of them are fantastic people.
I call them the soldiers of America. I refer to
them as real soldiers. And some of them have been
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filtrated the research group and worked for the government in counterintelligence.
Are counterproductive and divisive and do the research no good
at all. We won't go into those tonight, but I
did meet a woman in Salinus who's a fantastic person,
Lydia Blades, and she's with me tonight and she's going
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to be my guest. For those of you that remember Lydia,
I got such a good response. It was November the first,
nineteen seventy six. Remember, just a year ago, Lydia was
on the show and we talked about a book that
came out called File on the Czar by Anthony Summers
and Tom Mangold, and Lydia and I were talking about
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problems in the Middle East. She probably is an expert on history,
the one historian that I have full confidence in that
can relate the research I do, the political assassinations to
the moving of governments, and Lydia has studied history, the
important history that affects today. How far back would you
say your work goes down to nineteen oh five?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Is at the main date?
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Well, I concentrate on nineteen oh five forward. I don't
know any historian in the public view who thinks that
nineteen oh five is an important date. But I think
it's the opening gun.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Of World War One and World War two.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
That's right, But what we want to talk about tonight
we won't cover that whole breadth of history. We were
talking about the arrival of Answar Sadat in Israel, and
I watched that yesterday. I was literally moved to tears.
I think is one of the most dramatic scenes that
I've seen on the surface, Didn't you think it was
very dramatic surface riding in on the red carpet and
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the Israeli national anthem and the very movie flags from Egypt.
And it was as moving to me as the Kennedy
assassination on television. The whole story, the killing of Kennedy
and then the killing of le Ariy Oswald in the
funeral that provided so far fourteen years of research and
literally about one hundred and seventy five.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Hundred and eighty books now on that murder.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
And I had the feeling that something was happening here
with John Chancellor and Walter cronkride and you wanted to
believe there was peace.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
And Lyddy and I talked about it.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Lydia has studied these countries in the Middle East so
much that.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
We're going to go into that a little bit.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
And I wanted to share her feelings about what she
thinks happened. Many times on Callerby, I have speculated the
minute son of Sam Surface or the Churchill kidnapping. I've
expressed my views based upon the way the he candled,
the Manson family of the Patty Hirst kidnapping, and the
way I see similarities of individuals affecting our social force
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by the intelligence community. Lydia sees the moving of nations
in the same way and is able to put these
pieces together and on the basis of past history, speculate
on the future and offer her opinion. So this is
what I wanted to share tonight, and I wanted to
talk about a prime minister began.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
First of all, there.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Isn't much known abou him except that he led the
air gun. Is there much about him in these.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Recent years before he took over as prime minister.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
No, I don't know too much about him as a
person from the time he was in the argun.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
That's right, there's a big missing gang missing. There's the Voisha,
Diana and Gold in my air. But he's a missingly
when he was leading the air gun, I was in
Palestine at the time, in nineteen thirty six when his
group was bombing the King David Hotel, And I thought
it was interesting to hear that Answars said that was
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going to be staying there at that hotel, and that
the man who was in charge of that violence at
the time was a prime minister.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
But there's a lot of missing years, aren't there in
the background.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Well, you know, there's a saying that, I like, old
terrorists never die, they just turn into prime ministers.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Is that your own? Well, no, I think.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
I've heard that somewhere else. But it's remarkably.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
True that he's caught.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Yes, not only a Fagan but others, but many others
were terrorists in their time.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Well, and you know, Answar saidad has been named in
books as being a member of the Borman Brotherhood. It
took a thousand year oath to maintain the promises of
Adolf Hitler that he worked with. And as a matter
of fact, when they decide that they wouldn't meet on
Monday in Israeli councils as speaking either Hebrew or Egyptian,
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they both said they could speak Polish. They're both trained
in Polish, which I thought was interesting because I'm not
familiar where answarsa Dot learned his Polish.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
No, the same thing is true with him. From there's
a gap, there's a tie knowledge of him.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
So we have these two mysterious people that I did
see on sixty minutes, talking and looking a tongue in cheek,
knowing the mystery of these two men. There's a tongue
in cheek about them. So I wanted you to share
your information about these countries specifically. For example, what do
you think what do you think is the purpose of
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answars a Dot meeting Prime mister began in Israel at
this time?
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Well, may this is a situation in which I would
rather be wrong than president.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I let me interrupt by saying she has a good
batting average. Just say what you think they're doing? Well.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
I hope that this is not going to happen, but
it does strike me that the stage is set for
a triple play in the middle. And if you have
an Atlas handy, you might look at a map. If
you don't have an Atlas handy, write it down and
look at the atlas afterward. If these three things happen simultaneously,
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then there could be a disaster in store. If the
shaw of Iran moves into Iraq and takes a Wreq,
while at the same time Sadat moves into Libya Libya
and takes Libya, and simultaneously Bagan moves into Syria and
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thereby acquires both Syria and Lebanon. That would be a disaster.
I think for this reason, the three socialist countries in
the Middle East are Libya, Syria, and Iraq, so that
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if this occurred, Russia wouldn't be almost forced to intervene and.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Go to war. You think we're like a missile crisis, that.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
We are at a point where the CIA arranging this
through Kwalter Cronkite and so moving these people together, are
moving to get rid of the socialist countries in the
Middle East totally where Russia has any influence at all.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
That's correct. Now that's one possible result, But it would
Russia would be in the position of standing by a
woman standing by watching her daughter get raped. She'd have
to move.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
You think that Russia wouldn't allow it.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
I don't think she could.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Would Israel make a deal with Saddat that Egypt could
take over Libya?
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yeah, and Israel wouldn't respond.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
This is what makes me so suspicions, because you do
have to admit that the last two people in the
world to have dinner together tonight would be Sadat and
Began unless unless it was to their mutual benefit. Now,
the one thing that Egypt, for instance, would have to
do before she could move on Libya would be secure
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her border with Israel is.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Her rear end. Each one of these countries.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Has a rear end, that's right. And the one thing
that Began would have to do before he moved into
Syria would be secure his border with Egypt. And that
is what they are doing tonight.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
And how do you feel what would Began have to
gain by meeting with Answar.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Sadat securing their border.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
To secure the border, and Egypt would be securing their borders.
And they would agree that if they both became the attackers,
one against Lebanon, one against Libya, they would remain silent.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
They wouldn't rupt each other.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
That's what I think is very possibly being arranged.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
And you think the major goal is to take over
the socialist countries in the Middle East for.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
The CIA, That's just one advantage. Another advantage would be,
you know, if you're the shaw of Iran and you
run a tight ship, and then some you can't stand
to have a socialist country next door broadcasting all the
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virtues of our freedom. That's not what you want?
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Is that why the SHAW is getting so many arms? Now?
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Well, he's been buying arms as if money were no object,
you know, And I followed to some extent, what kind
of arms he's buying. He's buying aggressive arms, he's not
buying he's not erecting any marginal lines.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I always felt that we were arming the Shaw of
Iran to take over Saudi Arabia if we needed their oil.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
You don't think that's a possiblity.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
I don't think that Saudi Arabia is going to bother
the SHAW much because it isn't broadcasting any propaganda about
how good socialism is.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Do you think that they can deal with the monarchy there?
Speaker 4 (12:19):
I think they do desperately want to get rid of Iraq.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
And the troubles sores are Iraq.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Well, Lebanon isn't a trouble stor why would they let
Israel attack Lebanon?
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Well, I don't think Israel would attack Lebanon. I think
Israel would attack Syria. Syria's army is right now occupying Lebanon,
so that if Israel took Syria, they would get Lebanon.
But there is one pearl in Lebanon, and that is Beirut.
I don't know if you're aware of this, but if
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you fly safe from London to Delhi to India, the
stopover is Beirut. And that is the Wall Street of
the Middle East.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yes, you refer to that as the Paris or the Switzerland,
the banking center of the Middle.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
East, the trading center, all sorts of financial business and
uh and clout.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Do you think the CIA would let Israel take Pirute, Yes,
I think they would.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
They would, Yes, I don't think Lebanon is very dear
to the CIA's.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Heart, so that you feel that the move that they're
making now is for aggression in.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
The Middle East.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Yes, of blitzkreeg of blitz Creek. In other words, I
think this may take place so quickly that but either
time the world rubs its sleepy eyes and say it says,
oh what was that?
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah, well, I think we're doing this. We're getting ready
to take Uganda. I think that there's a newspaper I
take that doesn't have an article about idiot. I mean
and cruelty, and there's nothing any different than what's happening
in our prisons or the people being killed in this country.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
You know, these witnesses, just the congressional hearings.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Being slain, blown up, car accidents, cancers, you know, mysterious diseases.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
And so forth.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
We have these killings going on here. I mean, can't
be any different than what we're doing here. But there
hell bet on taking Central Africa, and that'll.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Be a blissed creak of a kind. He'll be dead
one day and then the coffee in the minerals and resources.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
They'll have a central place spoke of the wheel to
take over all of Africa.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
From well, I'm almost entertained by the sermons on human
rights because you can't even mention human rights in the
same sentence with South Africa or Iran.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
And yet our investments are over there. It's impossible to
pull out. They have so many investments over there. What
are the precedents of history where two swindlers had a
grin such as three of them sitting on national television,
uh Walter cron Guye who has always been affiliated you know,
particularly these new exposes, but always on the side of
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the say, sitting with answer said and Prime Minister Bagan.
What precedents in history where there were these these Ruffians
sat together and grinned and put something over on us.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Well, there were some very entertaining precedents.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
I think of the Berlin fact. You know of Stalin and.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Hitler world War two.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Prior to World War two, where everyone thought there'd be peace.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Oh, yes, the Berlin Moscow packed was a case of
of two connivers.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Yes, and everyone thought that the purpose of Adolf Hitler
with Joseph Stalin was peace. And yet shortly afterwards the
war broke up.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Well, he was securing his rear exactly the way I
think that that. I mean, before attacking Poland, he wanted
to know that one border was going to be quiet.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yeah. Did Stallin agree to be quiet? Then?
Speaker 4 (16:02):
When he didn't have too many alternatives.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
He just didn't do anything.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
No, No, I have as a matter of fact, I
have the secret protocol on that particular meaning treaty. And
it's lovely to read. Sometimes I must give you that, man,
if you're reading, we won't go into it now. But
very interesting. These secret deals are unlievably crude. There's one
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where three swindlers sat down and partitioned the whole country
of Poland.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Well, didn't Japan sit with Germany and partition all of
Russia in nineteen oh five. We once talked about that
they partitioned who would get the Baldic of the Ukraine
and the oil the minerals. And actually, prior to World
War One they had divided RUSSIAU didn't they?
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Yes, in their minds, they had it all all agreed,
all agreed. Japan was to take part of Siberia, and
England was to go in and have the Baccu oil fields,
and Turkey was to take some and Germany.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
What was the reason, So the Tzar was corrupt that
they were going to divide it out.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
No, No, the reason was that the Tzar had Well,
of course the Tazar was corrupt, yes, but the Czar
had had a war with Japan, and Japan being a
feudal country almost at that time, and Russia being the
greatest power on earth. Japan won and sank almost all
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of Russia's navy while she was at it, and.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
This was incredible, so they thought they could go back
and take all around.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Well, the message it was sent out to the world
was Russia is weak. Yeah, all right, not only that,
but her strategists are age seven.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Is this similar to the Middle East where they're figuring
these countries are weak, that they can come in now
and maybe take them one.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Yeah, well not nearly so strong, you see, as they ware.
And when Nasser was alive, and he kept up a
strong union between say Syria and Egypt, and they would
they were agreed to go to one another's aid. But
in this situation, none of them can help the other
because they're being attacked.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
At the same In other words, if Syria's being attacked,
Iraq can't go to their aid because they'd be attacked
at the same time.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Correct, And Egypt can't go to Syria's help aid because
she's busy attacking Libya.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Well, why would Egypt go to Syria if they're socialists?
Or why would the Iranians help their Iraq If they're socialists,
they would want undermine them and take them.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Well, Arabs to help Arabs? Do you see Nasser emphasize
the Arab aspect.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
So that he would have helped Syria. Yes, but no longer.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
I mean that Saddat hasn't got any.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
How much does Sadat owe the Soviet Union.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Well, Saddat is a man between a rock and a
hard place. He borrowed money from from Russia as if
it were going out of style, and the well, the
exact amount I don't know, but he did announce that
he was only going to pay I think part of
the interest, none of the principle. Hundreds of millions and
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and and they loaned it to him very low interest.
But he can't pay it back. And he also has
borrowed from the United States. And there there is no
way for him to get any more big loans unless
he produces some something of benefit to his his lenders.
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Do you think that the such as Libya?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Do you the CIA could set up these countries just
like they did in Southeast Asian Camvaldi and Laos and
Vietnam South Vietnam. They set up a system where the
lower economic class an American, the students and the poor
were sent to fight, and the people that sent the guns,
the aeroplanes, the helicopters that made the war made tremendous profits,
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so it didn't matter who was fighting over there. The
profits at home created a millionaire class in this country.
And then the CIA got into the narcotics, traffic, and
of course it's.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Just going full blown.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Do you think that the CIA could set up these countries,
because we know the CIA is behind this meeting of
as far as a Dot and NATS and Fagan, do
you think they could set this up to divide and
conquer these countries against each other as an excuse to
send Americans the Middle East in quotes, to cause peace again.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
In other words, ship people over.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
We have these these men going over now that are
paid mercenaries, but we want to maintain a total control
of all oil in the Middle East and the Mediterranean Sea.
Do you think we could create these people against each
other as an excuse to send Americans over there?
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Well, I think that I think that the word is oil, Yeah,
number one.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
But oil, there's this whole armament industry war.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
There are let me go back to one thing you
mentioned about narcotics. There's oil, there's money, there's power. But
let me go back to narcotics. There's so many things.
Narcotics has from time immemorial been used to raise money
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for espionage. Wherever you have an empire, which require especially
a far flung empire, you have narcotics and the moment
you begin to run across large scale narcotics, then you
only have to look for espionage and it's right around
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the corner.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Well, this is what I was wandering, the home of
the narcotics around here in Turkey and the whole scene
over there Opium and Werens, Carol and Syria.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Is this setting up?
Speaker 2 (22:10):
For example, say the way the Black Panthers were set
up viewing Newton against the Eldridge Cleaver and the divide
and conquer principle.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
It's studying the women's group.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
But Betty for against Gloria Steinem recently, she came out
last week and a listener sent me a Betty for
Dan saying, Oh, the CIA isn't taken over the women's movement.
They were divided and conquer everything as going is okay?
Could they encourage these countries to invade and make war
against each other as an excuse to drop American troops
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like we did in Southeast Asia, turn them against each
other and come in the protectors again. The reason I
asked that is that when you get Cyrus vance and
the same team. You know, mister Slessenger a Secretary of Defense,
He's now in on the energy, the oil deals, and
natural gas, and so for when you get the same
team that gave you Vietnam appointed by Jimmy Carter, they're
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going to give you the Middle East. So then the
questions you sit back and look at these people. Do
they write the script? We know they're.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Promoting a lot of this.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Do you think they're affecting these changes in other words,
encouraging the Shaw that hey, you can go on down
and take care of Iraq, the kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Well, you see, there has to be something. The first
thing that clues you in, I think is that there
has to be something deadly wrong when people who have
had anything to do with Vietnam and Cambodia, people who
have had anything to do with Watergate, are resurrected as
honest citizens and fed force fed down our throats again.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Well, Clark Clifford came out as attorney for Bert Lance,
and he was the original attorney for the Howard Us
Richard Nixon loans. I mean through all of history, the war,
Lyndon Johnson's attorney, the same people repeating the same script.
Are they going to get us into the same wars?
Can you sit and watch Answorth said dot arrive and
feel that there's going to be peace.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
In the Middle East, not with these people.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
No.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
No, I think the only reason why Began and Sadat
are going to cooperate is because they both have something
great to gain.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
And Israel will gain the security of its northern fields. Yes,
the lad board, they've just a week before said Dot
came to Egypt to Israel.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Uh, the Israelis.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Were attacking Lebanon, right, shelling Lebanon for no reason at all.
If you're going to sit down and talk with an
Arab leader, you're certainly not going to be bombing an
Arab country unless you have an agreement that that's kosher
with them.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Well, for instance, uh Bagan told Uh Lebanon and Siri, look,
you can't have any soldiers within five miles of the
Israeli border. Now what do you think uh, United States
would say if if Canada said to the United States, look,
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you can't have any soldiers within five miles of our border.
That's not something that you say. If you're looking for peace.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
So you and you think the sha Iran is getting
arms to get into Iraq, I would be aggressive.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
I certainly don't think that he's doing it to come
to a tea party.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
What does Iraq have in terms of oil and iraategy?
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Iraq doesn't have as much as as Iran.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
But.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
She does have. You see, if you look at the
map here, mate, what you see is a passageway of
friendly countries for Russia down into the Middle East. Once
Iraq and Syria are gone, are turned into parts of
Iran or parts of Israel, Russia has just backed up
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right into their own boundary.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Do they need these paths anymore?
Speaker 2 (26:02):
With the kind of planes and transportation that we have,
do they need to get through?
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Do you mean for survival? No? Yes, no, not for survival.
But on the other hand, it's something that Russia cannot overlook.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
All these socialist countries.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
And I imagine that that should Russia intervene, the first
country that would catch it would be Iran. They have
a common border and and I'm sure that their path
would be down through Iran. So I can see that
the Shaw is treading very dangerous ground, indeed, particularly the show.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Okay, one last question or we have time for two
more questions? Do you think that this is as treacherous
as the missile crisis that we're playing on the brink
of world War three. Yes, I got some information about
the possibility. I did on Kayla Rbia. He was this
last August that we were about to go to war
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over an incident in Albania, and mister jan K fields
to give me that from up in Sacramento, and I
began to read the history books and go over them.
I think I went over them with you. We were
indeed almost at the brink of World War three when
John Kennedy was president. They drove him to almost the brink.
And here's this team taking Jimmy Carter right to the
(27:27):
edge of the water now. And he's so ineffectual and
dependent upon these advisors that he'll do anything that they want.
He's not a historian in that, No.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
I don't think he's a student of history. But then
when you consider in nineteen sixty that we almost went
to war over Keim Moy and Matt Too, and the
very man who was willing to make war over Keim
mo Oy and Matt su was the man who went
to be king in Moscow, then one never knows.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
You never know.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
So you think that Russia would step in? And do
you think that Saddad is making a deal now that
if he moves west into.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Israel, will just let them take it. They're all going
to secure their borders.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
I feel sorry for Sadat. I don't think there's a
way in the world that he can win. I especially
feel sorry for Sadat because supposing this is effective and
he does go in and take Libya, just because he
went to Jerusalem, I think he will be assassinated.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yes, once, and if he's made a secret deal, they
can always assassinate him because he's made enough natural enemies.
Now that the secrecy of the deal, he can't come
back later and say, hey, you told me this.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Because he's created natural enemies.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
He can't announce the deal if it's what I think
it is.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
That's the way.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
These people that work for the CIA, these hundreds that
were killed, witnesses these assassinations, they never can live to say, hey,
I was double crossed after I did the deal, because
they're murdered.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
And history racist.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Well, neither of us are very optimistic about the Middle East.
But Lydia knows more than I do on that subject.
That's why I wanted her to share her information on
those countries. Because while I was moved, as I said,
watching TV, I also had a feeling that something bigger
was happening and that we'll sit back and watch, and
thanks to God for coming Lydia will come back again
(29:17):
soon because she's got a lot to share with you.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
And oh, I'm so glad you asked me.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Now, okay, this is May Brussel and Carmel. We'll see
you next week on Dialogue Conspiracy.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
You've been listening to Dialogue Conspiracy with May Brussel,
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