#299 12.11.77 Mae Brussell

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
It's time once again for Dialogue Conspiracy with May Brussel.
For the past fourteen years, May has been researching and
uncovering facts and evidence from between the lines of the
news and placing them in a more thorough perspective of
how conspiracy, political assassination, and abuses of power affect us.

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All Dialogue Conspiracy originates with KLRBFM in Carmel, California and
now May Brussel.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Good Evening. This is May Brussel and Carmel, California. It's
Dala Conspiracy number two hundred and ninety eight, and it's
December the eleventh, nineteen seventy seven. Back on Dialog Conspiracy.
In April of this year, April of fourth, nineteen seventy seven,
I talked about George de Mornscheldt, a man whose name

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has been in the news ever since his death his murder,
but which was his name, was quieted until the time
he was murdered, except for among a very few researchers.
I mentioned George de Morenschield because he was missing at
that time. He had been missing for three weeks, and
I considered him after many, many years of research into
the Kennedy assassination. It's fourteen years now to be the

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most important witness that would unlock the real story of
who killed President John Kennedy. After that show, one week later,
George de Morenschild was murdered. He had been missing three
weeks and then he was murdered. A Dutch journalist by
the name of William Altman's claimed that De Moornschild told
him that Lee Harvey Oswald was a patsy, that the

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assassination involved oil people in Texas and people higher up,
and that Leearvey Oswald would be cleared of being an
accomplice in this murder of the President of the United States.
Altman expected a reception by the House Select Committee investigating
assassinations with this kind of information, but they tried to

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discredit him and they gave him a cold shoulder. As
a result, he went to national television. He was on
the Good Morning America show and he also gave the
name of the prime witness that he had, George de Warrenschild,
for the connecting links of the assassination, who ordered the assassination,
and he presented this to Gerald Ford. He had to

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meet with gerald Ford and he wanted to give it
to Jimmy Carter to tell how the assassination of President
John Kennedy was planned and his information had to do
it with Alan Dulles and the CIA and the people
that Alan Dulles worked for. Demornschield was as it was
dead a week after the original show that I did

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April fourth, nineteen seventy seven. He was killed, and then
afterwards they continued. The news media and the assassination committees
in Washington, Assassination Information Bureau and the House elect Committee
have played down the rule of Willem Altman's and the
story of George de Morenshield. Now, what mister Altman said
on National TV and Good Morning America was that he

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had this secret witness who was willing to appear or
should appear, and that witness his name was Donald Donaldson.
That this person had been working for the government, for
the Pentagon and for high up officials for many years
from the time of Franklin Roosevelt. That he was known
through the various administrations. He had the alias of Dimitri Dimitroff,

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Jim Adams. He was acquainted with the CIA, and he
was well acquainted with the people who planned John Kennedy's assassination.
I learned just this last week on Friday from Ted
Gondalfo in New York City that Donald Donaldson was found dead.
He was murdered December seventh, and it was in Switzerland.

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He had seventeen bullet holes in his head. This is
a shocking piece of information for the very serious researchers
because the connecting links of the Pentagon and the Defense
Department to the murder of the President of United States
are being systematically wiped out in order to hold the

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line that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone or at lacted
with a few Cubans. I think they'd settled for Castro
or Antdicestro Cubans at this point, it's very murky, but
the powers that be do not want this information out,
and the primary witnesses are being murdered. Over a year ago,
in September nineteen seventy six September seventeenth, I wrote what

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I called a position paper. It was a thirteen page paper,
and I had hundred copies made of these thirteen pages
to send to the House Select Committee into newspaper people,
primary sources of information around the country and various researchers,
and I listed what I considered twelve to thirteen suggestions

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of the way an investigation should go into the very assassinations,
specifically the John Kennedy and the Martin Lutherard King assassinations,
because those are the ones that the House Select Committee
has mandate to investigate. And I listed the errors the
primary errors of the original Warrant Commission. But what I
said in that position paper was that number one, before

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any work begins by any committee or staff, as they assembled,
the very first thing to do was to list all
the witnesses who had been killed or missing since November
twenty second, nineteen sixty three. The reason being that once
the inquiry would escalate, they would see the pattern of
these murders, and the murders would follow. They would be

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necessary or to cover up. As the committee in Washington
was funded, say one million dollars for the first year,
maybe another million a second year, as a budget was
being allocated and the attorney's staff were being selected, it
would be necessary to continuously kill the primary witnesses so
that the committee there could say they find no evidence
of a conspiracy, that James Olray acted alone and the

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Irvey Oswald acted alone. When the Senator Church's Committee started
to investigate the CIA back in nineteen seventy six. There
was an immediate rush of death of people directly related
to the John Kennedy assassination and the assassination teams of
the CIA. One was CIA officer Sheffield Edwards. The other

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was CI officer William Harvey Jimmy Hoffer, who had links
to organized crime and the assassination teams that killed two
Kennedys and Reverend Martin Luther King. There was the murder
of Sam Giacana, John Rosselli, Charles Nicoletti, Carlos Prio Sakras,
and George de morenscheld. Three of those happened just within

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seven or eight days apart. Then two weeks ago we
had the murder of William Sullivan of FBI Counterintelligence, who
had full knowledge of the Kennedy assassination and was the
primary link of the Pentagon to the CIA and the FBI.
That was William Sullivan. Just as at the time Watergate,
the exposures came of the Tom Charles Houston plan to

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centralize the FBI and the CIA and the Pentagon it
already was working through all of these assassination plots and
William Sullivan was killed. Penn Jones Junior, who specialized on
keeping a list of all these deaths and turning us
on to them from the very beginning and has written
four books on the death of witnesses, primary witnesses to

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the John Kennedy assassination and Forgive My Grief has a
newsletter out now. It's called The Continuing Inquiry, and in
his newsletter last issue he listed five other FBI men
who have died in the last six months that had
something to do with the John Kennedy assassination. There were

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six County William Sullivan in the last six months that
had a part of the investigation of the Kennedy assassination.
One was Lewis Nichols seventy one, who was seventy one
years old, former number three investigator under Jager Hoover who
died of June of nineteen seventy seven. Alan Belmont, seventy
years old, of the Warren Commission. He was a witness

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before the Warren Commission and had a part in that
cover up for the FBI who followed a few months
later of August seventy seven. James C. Cadogan, sixty years old,
who was a document expert who testified before the Warren
Commission regarding the FBI and about Learry Oswald died August
nineteen seventy seven. Donald W. Taylor FBI fingerprint Section. A

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chemist died in this six months time period. JM. English,
who headed the FBI Forensic Science Laboratory. He had retired
in nineteen sixty six. He was there in nineteen sixty
four during the investigation of John Kennedy. And he is dead.
And of course I have accumulated a lot of material,

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hopefully for a book someday on the murder of JEdgar Hoover,
who died May one, nineteen seventy two, allegedly a heart attack.
The District of Columbia Coroner, doctor James L. Luke said
that after examining Jaiger Hoover's body, the cause of death
might have been a heart attack, but that an autopsy

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was not indicated. This was even though there was a
lot of discussion about Jager Hoover not being useful anymore,
of blackmailing the White House, of having information on all
the occupants, and he was going to be a real
thorn in their side, and there was a good reason
to believe that the Pentagon at that time with the
Houston plan one to take over the FBI. William Sullivan

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was instrumental in taking the files from Hoover's desk before
he died just shortly before and putting a lot of
them on John Airlockman's desk, the aide to Richard Nixon
and Clyde Tolson, Jager Hoover's companion and housemate, was dead
in nineteen seventy five. It's funny that Cole Tolson was
not with Ja Hoover the evening that he died, even

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though they were very close. So you have a rash
of FBI murders. You have a connecting link of men
from organized crime who worked with the FBI and the
CIA on assassination teams, and now the death of this
mister Donaldson. The death of Donaldson comes the same week
that the FBI has released forty thousand pages of documents

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pertaining the John Kennedy assassination. And I know a lot
of you are expecting me to make comments on these documents,
but it's too soon for me to make them. I
am in touch with Ted Gundolfo in New York City,
who is probably one of the finest researchers in the
United States. He has a weekly TV cable show there
now every weekend, and he's having one good witness after

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the other authors and researchers on the assassination and writers
on his program. He said that he will supply me
with these documents. Of course, it's a monumental fee. The
copying of them right now is sense of page, which
comes to seven or ten thousand dollars. And the major
news media has accessed the documents. It will be a
long time before the individual researchers get their hands on them.

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But I think it's important to know that as these
pieces of information are being put out to the public,
it's the same week that the information about the Pentagon's
role or the higher up role of Alan Dulles. Certainly,
with the military Pentagon making major decisions with the Pentagon

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that they are burning their bridges so nobody can connect
them to the assassination. There is definitely a power struggle
going on, of course at the upper levels between the
Pentagon and the CIA and the FBI. This didn't end
with Watergate, and it didn't end with Richard Nixon, and
all the agencies are being involved in secret service the

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Treasury Department in these various exposes. But this last week,
Jack Anderson had a column looking column he might have
even passed the information at the bottom of them. It
was about the effect of caffeine on the fetus and
that pregnant women should be careful about how much coffee
they should take. Then at the very end of that column,
this was November nineteen seventy seven, he makes the remark

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that the Pentagon has just destroyed their John Kennedy files,
so that the Kennedy files that exist now in Texas
and New Orleans still are not declassified by the FBI.
The FBI keeps those the ones that they've given out.
The forty thousand pages of work that they did that

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is now available for the public does not even touch,
probably upon the role of the Pentagon. These were carefully
selected and a lot of it was blocked out, and
I'm sure that a lot was destroyed that they didn't
wants to see. But the very week that the FBI
was turning over their files of the John Kennedy assassination,
the very week that mister Donaldson was murdered, is the

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week that the Pentagon has systematically burned or destroyed their
John Kennedy files, and yet no outrage by the press,
no outrage by the news media. Jack Anderson simply slips
it in his column. And knowing the role that Anderson
has played with the assassination teams and cover up artists
all of his the times I've been following closely the

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last fourteen years, I wonder if he simply wrote that
column so that he can send a message to the
various people who are involved, You don't have to worry
the papers are burned. He certainly couldn't send it with
messengers anymore, or with carrier pigeons or however these agents
send messages back and forth. And I've always linked Jack
Anderson to the Defense Intelligence Agency. So just as a

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byline on a caffeine article, he puts the idea in
for you to accept that the Pentagon has destroyed their files.
Those files were important. They were important because they went
to the Soviet Union as part of the Marines. He
was in the Navy, and he had corresponds with John
Connolly even Marine. Oswald was on national television just recently

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saying that the rby Oswald had written to John Connolly
the Secretary of the Navy at one time, and later
he was the governor of Texas and said that when
he came home from Europe, he wanted to work for
John Connolly, help him campaigning and do his work. That's
interesting for an oppressed Marxist person who's gone to the
Soviet Union and come home with his Russian wife that

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she's saying his next occupation was to be or wanted
to be for John Connolly. Another researcher who's done work
on George de Moarnsfield and the various areas of cover
up that are coming down now by the major media
all across the board is Richard Sprague. Not the investigator
from Pennsylvania, the one that was supposed to head the

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committee in Washington, but the other Richard Sprague. This is
Richard E. Spray, who wrote many, many good articles for
computer and automation. And now there's another issue. It's a
magazine called People in the Pursuit of Truth. It's put
out by the same group, but it's not part of
a computer magazine anymore. Richard Eastbury wrote an article for them,

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dated November fifteenth, nineteen seventy seven, that was just published,
and in it he wrote about George de Morenscheld and
mister Donaldson, and I thought I would read you some
pages from this article, because if you don't get the
pursuit of truth, you have no access to this information.
But to show how important these people were. This is
from Richard Sprague's article. He said, murder incorporated of the

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Power Control Group has killed George de Morenschield at a
time when he was too dangerous for him. The media
branch of the Power Control Group, which he refers to
as the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time, Newsweek,
and he lists the powers that keep the information from
the people undertook a big campaign to credit willem Altman's

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and mister Altmans from the journalism of STATIONSTV from Holland
because he was in possession of video and audio tapes
of George de Morinshield. The de Moornschield murders so far
has been concealed with the help of the media. They
portrayed it as a suicide of a man who became insane.

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Demornschield was quite sane at the time he disappeared from Belgium.
Donald Donaldson, as I say, alias Dimitri demitrof Jim Adams
was acquainted with the CIA and the people who planned
JFK's assassination, and he was in contact with William Altmans.
He showed up in Holland to tell his story to

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NOSTV and to William Altmans. He told Altmans that Alan
Dalles was the key CIA man in planning the assassination.
Now this is important. Richard Spragu says that Dalles planned it.
But Dallas is the attorney and was the attorney he's
deceased now of Nelson and Day David Rockefeller of Chase
Manhattan Bank. Dalls always represented the large cartels to put

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Adolf Hitler into power, and then went to form our
CIA after World War II with his offices over in Switzerland,
and he brought over Rehinehart Galen, a chief of intelligence
of Eastern Division, where he brief visited the Pentagon and
to Monterey actually and then back to Germany where he

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was put in a villa. And he's still alive. Alan
Dalles may have made the planning stages, but he also
couldn't have the idea. The large corporations of course, had
to be behind the kendyas assassination. Sprague said Donaldson had
been brought to the United States as a double agent
during World War Two by Franklin Roosevelt. He held back

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his knowledge of the assassination conspiracy until the Church Committee
was formed. He took his information to Senator Church, who
brought him to President Ford. Rather than have him questioned
by the Church or Schweiker Committee or subcommittees. Gerald Ford,
Frank Church, and Donaldson had a meeting in which gerald
Ford talked both of them into keeping Donaldson's information under wraps. Now,

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this was written in November of nineteen seventy seven by
Richard Sprague, and Donaldson was murdered December seventh, nineteen seventy seven.
So Gerald Ford, member of the Warren Commission, who has
always worked with Navy intelligence again the links of the
military to the assassinations, who is on the Warren Commission,
who served the CIA all of his years in Congress

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and as president, sat with Frank Church, who also wanted
to run for president the United States. But mister Spragg
says that this meeting took place in which gerald Ford
talked them out of giving the information. They talked mister
Donaldson out of giving this information and then Donaldson is
murdered and information is buried with him with just a

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few pieces left. Is dead, and Donaldson is dead. Richard
Sprag wrote that when George and Morenchild was killed, then
mister Donaldson decided it was time to make his information
public and he offered it to the Select Committee. In Washington,
d C. He approached William Altman's and asking that he
keep his identity secret, he told his story. He stayed

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in Holland at the time that mister Altmans tried to
reach President Carter. Altman revealed Donaldson's identity on American TV
because he thought, I suppose that it would insure his
life or protect him, and he told that the House
Select Committee run by the biggest crook and cover up
artist since Gerald Warren's commission, mister Robert Blakey. He took

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to the Select Committee and Jimmy Carter refused to listen
to the story. Gerald Ford, as President, heard it and
told mister Donaldson to put the raps on it. Jimmy
Carter refused to hear the story from mister Donaldson. Donaldson
moved to England and and while he was there, he
disappeared from a London hotel. Richard Sprague wrote this a

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month ago and it just came out. He said he
left large unpaid bills at the London and Amsterdam hotels
where he was staying, and the possibility is very good
he has gone the same route as de moornschild murdered
by the power controlled group. And Richard Sprague is absolutely right.
He was murdered by the power controlled group. He went

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on to say the episode is reminiscent of the De
Moorn Schield affair. I could add to that it's reminiscent
of a long series of murders and assassinations. But this
is really getting very, very flagrant and scary to think
how many witnesses are killed, mister Sprague. Richard Sprague wrote

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a list of ways the media is covering up the
murder of the President of the United States. This is
the year nineteen seventy seven where we have literally hundreds
of researchers doing work on the assassinations, and the major
media is trying desperately to hold the line. And he
cites examples of the barrage of information and I'm going

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to share it with you because some of it is
very much like the individual programs that we have here
on dialogue conspiracy. But Richard Sprague has been doing this
monumental work since nineteen seventy with his first article and
computer and automation, and I'll list some of the ways
the components that he says of the nineteen seventy seven
campaign to cover up the investigation of the president's murder.

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He says there was a book by Bud fenster Wald,
who he goes on in his article if we have
time to go into as being a CIA agent. He's
worked for the Power Control Group all of his years
in Washing, at least since the Kennedy assassination. And he
cites the example of fencer Wald writing a book which
has been on the newsstands and I see it Safeway Supermarkets, bookstores,

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Bernard Fencerwald's book on the assassination, and Richard Sprague accuses
him of leaving out the CIA agents, the key people.
All the key people in his book were left out
of Fensterwald's book. He said at least twelve people of
the CIA were left out. He said it was a
clever effort on the part of one of the CIA's
best agents to throw people off the track by leaving

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out at least twelve CIA conspirators and hangers on that
he has files of in his own Committee to Investigate
Assassinations that he formed in nineteen sixty eight. These are
Richard Ksenate Guil, William Seymour, Emilia Santano, Manuel Gonzealez, Guy
gabbled In, Mary Hope, Richard He's got, Richard Neguil twice,

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Harry Dean, Ronald August August Enovich, Thomas Beckham, Fridley, Christmin Frenchie,
and Jack Lawrence. He cites the TV special the ABC
TV special on Lee Harvey Oswald as a cover up
the new movie coming out soon by CBS on Jack
Ruby and Lee Harvey Oswald. A book by Patricia McMillan

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who's from the CIA, and he gives examples and information
and facts that she's of the CIA and she worked
with Marina Oswald and wrote the book Marine and Lee.
There's been a series of TV appearances Tom Schneider, Dick Cabott,
all major shows are having Marina Oswald and Priscilla Johnson
on his guests and nobody is allowed to confront them.

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The condition of they're being on the air is nobody
confronts them. Then there was the murder of de moorn Child,
the discrediting of William Altman's and he mentioned the possible
murder of General Donald Donaldson, which became a fact just
this week. And then an attack by the Select Committee
on various researchers, and they're selecting a specific group such

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as Carl Oglesby I know, and the Assassination Information Bureaun
outs be his spokesman for all the researchers, even though
they don't have the facts, and they cover up as
much as Bernard Fenzerwald does. They have inherited the cloak
of the cover up. Back in Washington, d C. Mark
Laane has moved to California and flies back and forth
and has literally abandoned his office there at the height

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of the action. The committee is run by people from
the Justice Department, the CIA, and the FBI. The major
witnesses are being killed and the media projects this cover up.
He didn't include Michael Edos, the author of the Oswald File,
who wrote a terrible book and it was distributed all

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over the country to bookstores. I understand some stories didn't
even have a choice. It was given to them to
sell in large hunks. And this book is another massive
cover up by a man who has to work with
the Pentagon intelligence agencies, who cannot stand up under questioning
or interrogation. He was a guest on Ted Gandolpho show

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in New York and Ted really covered him with questions.
I'm surprised even showed up. Richard Spragg talked about Lawrence Shiller,
who is a member of the Power Control Group who
made that movie The Trial of Lee Harvey Assis for
ABC TV. I've talked about Schiller as being the man
that was with Jack Ruby when he died, representing again

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the Pentagon to get a tape recording of Jack Ruby
in the hospital, saying there was no conspiracy where he
was fully doped. It was Laurence Shiller who worked with
Gary Gilmour and held a mic to his mouth while
he was being electrocuted. They actually took movies of the
TV movies were made, and they want to make a
movie of the death of Gary Gilmour in Utah. This

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is what Sprague says. He says Schiller is despicable in
addition to being a con artist, a crook, and a liar.
How the reader may ask, can a guy like that
become co producer of a major ABC television show. The
answer is simple, he's available to the Power Control Group
for attacking the assassination researchers, for ridiculing them and reinforcing

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that no conspiracy idea. It goes into the reproduction of
that movie the troll Lee Harvey Oswald in Texas and
the way the media played it up. Mister Sprague lashes
into NBC and CBS are planning major TV specials on
the assassination. He believes Richard Sprague does an I do,
and so does Ted Gondolpho. That the media attacked the

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ABC show, the CBS, the Marina Oswald story, the Michael
Edo's story are all because the House Select Committee is
working there and they're going to have a complete cover
up of the truth of the assassination. But it will
be supported by the media barrage always supporting that loan
assassin theory. Another factor of releasing these forty thousand pages

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of the FBI reports right now is that the headlines
continue to say Lee Harvey Oswald killed John Kennedy. As
an example, in our local paper here it says Jed
hear Huber tagged Oswald as the JFK killer two hours
after the slang the files reveal. Now that doesn't mean

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Le Oswald killed the president. But each generation grows up
seeing this over and over in the headlines, that Lee
rvy Oswald was a killer. Whether Jay Giar Hooper discovered
it six months later or four months later or two
hours later, isn't the point. It's always Oswald the killer.
And then the Associated Press says, just two hours after
Kennedy was killed, FBI director whom concluded that Oswald was

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the assassin. That Oswald was a mean minded individual in
the category of a nut. This was what the classified
letters said that he called the Attorney General right away
within two hours and said, I think I know who
killed the president in Dallas. Now, Lee rv. Oswald may
be mean minded, that may be true. I don't know

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him as a person. I don't think he was a nut.
But within two hours after the assassination of John Kennedy,
Jay Ghober would really have no way of knowing what
Lee rv. Oswald was doing in the Soviet Union in Minsk.
In Moscow, he was with CIAgent Priscilla Johnson. There, CIA
agent Alien Mosby. The two journalists from the CIA. He

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was with John McVicar of the CIA at the embassy.
He was with Robert Snyder of the CIA at the
American Embassy in Moscow. His contacts were with people from
the Pentagon and the CIA. How would jager Hoover know
that Leearry Oswald worked it alone. Oswald had no accumulated
bank accounts and no money, and he had gotten himself

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to Helsinki and then the Soviet Union on planes that
had no time schedule, that had to be private planes
or military that flew him in. He gave his passport
up at the embassy and then said I want to
come back home, even though he gave them radar stories
about our marine activity in the Pacific. The State Department
sent him money to come home. It was supposed to

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be a loaned, but I saw no record of one
of where he paid it back. How would jager Hoover
know know all this? Because he worked with William Sullivan
who was just murdered. And if William Sullivan were alive,
he could test before the committee in Washington, d C.
But that could never happen. If George de Morenshield were alive,
he could testify, but that's not going to be allowed

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to be happen. If mister Donaldson were alive, he could testify,
and that won't happen. So even though the witnesses died
in just dribbles before, so in the last fourteen years
they were dying maybe one hundred of them divided by
fourteen years. But now one a week is being killed.

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And as I say, six major FBI people that had
something to do with the case have died in the
last six months. It's going to make it a lot
harder to get the truth. And of course I'm depressed
about it. But next year we'll find more answers. The
year will be starting in a couple of weeks. This
is May Brussel and Carmel, California. I'm sorry to leave
you on such a sour note, but it isn't very

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good news as far as the research goes. I'll see
you next week a Dialog Conspiracy. Keep well and have
fun getting those Christmas presents and doing the shopping, and
have a good here.

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