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Speaker 1 (00:06):
It's time once again for Dialogue Conspiracy with May Brussel.
For the past fourteen years, May has been researching and
uncovering facts and evidence from between the lines of the
news and placing them in a more thorough perspective of
how conspiracy, political assassination, and abuses of power affect us.
All Dialogue Conspiracy originates with KLRBFM in Carmel, California and
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now May Brussel.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Good Evening.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
This is May Brussel and Carmel, California. This is Dialogue
Conspiracy number three hundred and three, and it is January
the first, nineteen seventy eight.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
We have to get used to that date.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Last week on Dialogue Conspiracy, I had a part one series.
This eving will be a continuation Part two of the
Gemstone Files. I got about forty letters from people that
listened at alagu Conspiracy or take the Tapes asking me
for a summary and analysis of the Gemstone Files. I
did some of it last week, and I'm going to
go right into it now for those of you that
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weren't here last week or didn't hear it. The Gemstone
File is the Key to the Gemstone is a document
about twenty pages long. It's a summary of approximately three
hundred and fifty handwritten pages written by Bruce Roberts. Of
some sources say there's a thousand pages, but I've never
seen them, And as far as I know, I'm the
only researcher in this country that has all of the
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handwritten pages of Bruce Roberts, and I have copied them
and put them away where they can't be harmed or taken.
And he wrote a story of the political power elite
from the late thirties up to through Watergate and up
to his death. He died of a brain tumor about
a year ago. Bruce lived in San Francisco, and he
gave me his research at the time of Watergate because
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he wanted me to know what he thought was the
story behind Watergate went led up to it, and because
he had been at a certain bar in San Francisco
on Gary Street where the Watergate defendants used to hang around.
Right after Watergate arrest, the bartender there was killed, and
I did go into that bar a couple of times
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to see what was going on.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
He claimed that G.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Gordon Liddy, I, Howard Hunt and John Erwick and most
of the Watergate defendants had an active role in their
CIA intelligence work in San Francisco and hung around this bar,
and he gave me a lot of information which has
been circulating around the world. Many people have it, and
as I say, they want to make a movie about
the Gemstone Key File in England. Parts of this file
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are true, parts of them are absolutely untrue.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Some of it is difficult to check.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Some of it I have used for my own research
and writing, and it's a very controversial document because it's
filled with a lot of misinformation. I'm going to give
some quotations of the Gemstone File this week and analyze
them as much as we have time for and do
a critique of some of the information that I think
is bad information. There's one section of the Gemstone File
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that is particularly interesting and controversial, and it has to
do with the role of the present Pope is Cardinal Montini,
who he had made the allegations. Bruce Roberts said that
the Pope was part of the international narcotics traffic with
a mafia and the CIA since his early days as
a cardinal. Quotes this is from the Gemstone File. He said,
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the battle of the mafia narcotics traffic has been tangled
with a hierarchy of the Catholic Church, specifically the Vatican
and the Pope. It was Bruce Roberts who told me
in nineteen seventy two that this current Pope was in
the OSS and that he was linked to the Golden
Triangle narcotics traffic in Southeast Asia that particularly escalated during
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the Vietnamese War. A year later after he told me
this information, a book came out on the history of
THESS and it did link Cardinal Montini, who then became
the Pope, as being in the OSS for the United States,
and many people know that almost every agent in the
OSS then became an officer or an agent of the CIA. Recently,
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there is a new book out that I quoted on
Dialogue conspiracy called Treason for My Daily Bread, which has
to do with Cardinal Montini, naming him as the person
who assisted Martin borm In the Nazi and other Nazis
to leave Italy and go to South America. That they
went from Austria to Brenner Pass disguised as monks. And
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this information that is new about the Cardinal Montini, the
Pope working with Martin borm and the Nazi In addition
to that, the Gemstone File refers to Cardinal tisserand he
was the head of the College of Cardinals at the Vatican,
and Bruce Roberts claimed that he was murdered with sodium morphate.
He said Tissaran had followed the career of this present
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Pope Montini, and that's the reason that he was murdered.
Tisran was murdered. He said Montini had also poisoned Pope
Pious the eleventh in order to become the pope, and
that he was banished from Rome for a time being
by Pope Pious the twelfth and then returned and became
the present Pope in nineteen sixty three, the year that
dim was murdered and John Kennedy was murdered. Bouce Roberts
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wrote in the Gemstone File that Tisran wrote all of
this down in his diaries, and at the time he
called the present Pope that was Cardinal Montini, then the
deputy of Christ at Auschwitz, meaning the extermination camp, and
he said that Montini was the fulfillment of the Fatima
prophecy that the anti Christ shall rise to become the
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head of the church. Now, this is pretty heavy stuff
for a person that had put in your hands these
allegations of the Cardinal. And it has been confirmed the
role of the present Pope in helping Martin Borman the
Nona's escape. But the murder charges were never written up
or discussed until just nineteen seventy seven. A new book
came out two months ago called The Assassination Theory and Practice.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
It's put up by.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Richard Camellion by Playdon Press in Colorado in nineteen seventy
seven publication. And I'll just read you a couple of
sentences from this book, which is the first book that
I've seen or own that would back up Bruce Roberts' allegations.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
And these are quotations from the book. It says, a.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Suggestion of intrigues surround the depth of Pope Pie's the eleventh.
He died in bed in the Vatican at the age
of eighty one. To his very last, Pope Pious the
Eleventh was the deadly enemy of fascism, Benito Mussolini and
Adolf Hitler. Shortly before he died, Eugene Cardinal Tisserand was
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directed to convene a meeting of all Italian bishops to
hear what his Holiness had to say, and what he
had to say was against Nazism and fascism. Just before
the meeting was to take place, Pope Pis the eleventh
was given what they called a stimulant, it was an injection,
and an hour later his Holiness was dead, so that
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he couldn't meet with the bishops to object to Hitler's
fascism or Mussolini's fascism. And the author asked, in this book,
where is the evidence for assassination? He said, it is
historical fact that Claretta Petucci was Benito Mussolini's mistress for
eight years. Along with Mussolini, she was executed. Petucci happened
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to be a fanatical pro fascist, pro Mussolini follower. Is
it purely by chance or sure coincidence that the father
of Claretta Patucci, the woman who lived with Mussolini, His
name was doctor Francesco Petucci, was the senior Vatica physician
who gave Pope Pius eleventh the injection, allegedly the stimulant.
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The hour before he died, Pope Pias was to meet
and discuss with the bishops the evils of fascism, German
and Italian was Pope Pious the eleventh murdered. This is
in this new book on assassinations, and it is an
excellent book. It just came out and it goes into
the origin of assassinations from the various countries and the
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way they're done. It's the first book that I've read
in print that has linked Marina Oswald to the CIA,
and that is a big jump in terms of information
that her uncle wasn't necessarily with the KGB, but the
branches of the CIA, which was in fact true.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
So Richard Camellion asked the question, was the Pope murdered?
Speaker 3 (08:33):
And in the Gemstone files, Bruce Roberts had set in
nineteen seventy two that both Tisseran and Pope Pius eleventh
were murdered, and that would make sense if Cardinal Montini
was working with the Nazis, if he was described as
the Christ at Auschwitz, if he was in favor of
letting Martin Borman and the head Nazis go out of Italy,
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out of Austria to Italy, to South America, and if
this man was in charge of the Pope's health and
his daughter lived with Benito Mussolini, and they were confirmed
fascists and the Pope was objecting to fascism. It's a
good question coming out in literature now. Was the Pope
murder for his anti fascist stance? And why would the
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father of this woman who lived with Mussolini all these
years be the one giving the injection to the anti
fascist pope. So putting that together, the Gemstone File has
certainly some provocative questions to ask, and I'm not putting
it all down because it's that kind of information that
does what your appetite. There's another section of the Gemstone
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Files where he makes the statement, two murders had to
occur before John Kennedy was killed in order to get
away with this killing, and he cites Senator Estes keif Ouber.
He said his Crime Commission had uncovered the original deal
in nineteen thirty two between Aristolo and n Asses, Joe Kennedy,
the father of John Kennedy, and Meyer for the international
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narcotic swingling that they were doing, and Keith Fowber was
planning a speech on the Senate floor to denounce these
mafia operations. Instead, he ate a piece of apple pie
laced with sodium morphate, had a sodium morphate induced heart
attack on the Senate floor.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
The second murder that he says.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Had to take place was Philip Graham, the editor of
the Washington Post who was married to Katherine Meyer, and
Bruce Roberts says in the Jamestone Files that Eugene Meyer's
daughter Catherine, was to take over the mafia controlled Washington
Post and they also owned the Newsweek, and Graham was
very strong John Kennedy worker. He put together the John
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Kennedy Lyndon Johnson ticket. He was Kennedy's best friend and
a struggle against the power of Onassis and the mafia.
This is from the Gemstone file. He said Katherine Meyer
Graham bribed the psychiatrist to certify that her husband was insane.
He was allowed out of the asylum for the weekend.
He died of a unshot wound in the head and
the death was ruled as a suicide. I don't know
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and have no way to check out the links of
Eugene Meyer and his links to the mafia. This week
was an allegation made by Bruce Roberts that I cannot support.
I do support the belief that Philip Graham was murdered,
that this suicide was like the death of George and Warrenshield.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I believe he.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Did have to die at that time. In the circumstances
of his death gave Catherine Graham tremendous power which she
has wielded even the role of the Washington Post getting
Richard Nixon out of office in their one sided investigations.
The power of the Washington Post in Newsweek, combined with
Henry Luce's power and time and life and their syndicate
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fortune is overwhelming. With the assassins, they work hand in
glove with the CIA mafia connected links. I don't know
how much Senator sters Keith Albert knew. I know that
the man who worked with him, who would have been
controlling his campaign of Keith aalver Ran for vice president,
was Bernard Fensterwald of the CIA, one of the dirtiest
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dogs to walk the face of Washington.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
He's a Senate lawyer.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
He chimed up at the time of Watergate and became
the attorney for James McCord. I've known fenster Wald, unfortunately
for quite a few years, at least eight or nine,
and I have utmost contempt for him, and I can
link him at least physically in the presence of situations
where people died in two cases just seven or eight
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weeks after he was present. I don't trust fenster Wald
and I don't know what role he had at the
time going way back with the Keith Walver death, But
in the Gemstone files, two deaths are necessary according to
Bruce Roberts, and those were Keith Walver and Philip Graham.
I think the death of Marilyn Monroe that took place
just a month or so before John Kennedy killed was
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a primary death or murder that had to take place
because with her relationships with John and Robert Kennedy, it
could hush Robert Kennedy up and they could blackmail him
from not investigating his brother's murder. I think the Marilyn
Monroe death was more important than my research. But four
reasons that he never documents or goes into detail. Bruce
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Roberts said that Keith olbers death and Philip Grahams were
primary before the Kennedy assassination took place. Now where Bruce
Roberts gets way off base, I believe is in the
story of the Kennedy assassination, and because that's the area
I know the best. I have to use it as
a yardstick to base the value of some of the
other information which I can't get into. His account of
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the Dealing Plaza killing of John Kennedy goes this way.
He said there were four shooters, Lee Arvy Oswald, Eugene Braiding,
Jimmy Fratriano and John rosell It, e Howard Hunt, James
Mccordworth Deally Plaza, and Frank Sturgis was in Miami. It's
the other way around. There's no proof that Lee Harvey
Oswald shot any gun No Second nineteen sixty three, so
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I don't believe that Oswald was one of the shooters
at all. There's no evidence that McCord and Hunt were
at daily a place are There are no photographs of
them that could confirm that. But there's reasonably Frank Sturgis
was there. So I believe that Bruce Roberts has turned
this around. He goes on to say that Fratriano, Jimmy
Fratriano shot.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
From the Dal Texas building.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Now I can't say that Fratriano did or didn't shoot
at the time of the Kennedy assassination. He's been called
before the House select committee to testify about where he was,
except for the fact that he did publicly say Kennedy
should be killed, and he did work with the Robert
Mayhew and the CIA mafia assassination teams. There has been
no photograph of Fatriana in the Dallas Fort Worth area
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up to or after the assassination. Nobody said they saw
him there or registered as any alias. That doesn't mean
he wasn't there, but up till now there's been no
proof that Fratriano was there at all. And I have
the feeling that the assassins were better trained, as I
said before on this program in Ajauco, Mexico, by Albert Osborne,
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and that they were not this assassination team. This team
may have picked up some shells at Dealey Plaza. He
says Pratriano shot from the dal Text building, but has
no supporting document or photograph to prove it. Bruce Roberts
said that John Roselli shot John Kennedy once on the
right side of the head Lewis brains out from behind
the fence. Again, this is questionable. Nobody saw Gen Roselli
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at Deli Plaza. He was well known mafia man in
nineteen sixty three. That doesn't mean he wasn't there, but
he says categorically that Pretriano shot one shot from the
dal techs and Roselli did the fatal shot. The third
point of triangulation, he claimed, was supplied by Eugene Braiding
from that small pagodat Dealey Plaza.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Now.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Braiding is a mafia member who later went on to
join the early Lacasta gang down in San Clemente when
that resort opened. Braiding was seen at Daily Plaza and
he was given aliases, and he did walk over the
Dow Text building afterwards to make a telephone call. He
could have left a gun in the bushes that one
of the other men picked up. I know Oswald didn't
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shoot a gun November twenty second, nineteen sixty three.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I don't know where Fratriano was.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
John Roselly is dead, killed right after he tested before
it five before the Senate House Select Committee, and Eugene
Braiding has never been called to testify before anyone. So
I just give you the allegations and what I think
of them. I also have this statement here from the
Gemstone file. Bruce Roberts said Lee Arvy Oswald shot John
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Kennley twice, John Connelly twice from the Texas school Book Depository.
He left the front door of the building with his
rifle in the building there was a backup man. Instead
of taking it out, they left it so that Oswald
would be the patsy. I don't believe that Lee Arvy
Oswald shot John Connolly twice at all. If he were
going to be the patsy, they would have left the
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bullets around the car that they were in or in
the hospital to positively link them to Lee Harvey Oswald's gun.
There were no bullets found except a pristine bullet numbered
Commission Exhibit three nine to nine, and that doesn't link
to Lee Harvey Oswald in any sense. And there were
no fingerprints on the rifle that was supposed to be
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Lee Arvy Oswald's, and the direction of the shots couldn't
have come from the sixth floor window the way that
John Conley was shot.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
The paraffing tests.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
On Learvy Oswald were negative on his head and hands.
He couldn't have fired a weapon that day without holding
the gun. There is no way to link Learvy Oswald
to any weapon. Therefore, I don't believe that he shot
John Conley twice, and I think that Bruce Roberts is
filled in this case with this information. Marien Oswald was
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recently on a national television show saying that Learvy Oswald
wrote a letter from USASR to John Conley saying that
when I come home, I want to work for you. Well,
John Conley was Secretary of the Navy when Oswald was
in the Navy. He was the governor of Texas at
the time, and being as he was an important agent
when the U two flight was downed and Oswald was
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in Russia, I think that his contacts to Conley were
more friendly than people believe. And I don't believe he
shot anybody. And I don't believe what Bruce Roberts said
about Oswald shooting John Conley. The Gemstone File also says
that three men were dressed as tramps then picked up
shells from the ground at Dealey Plaza, and one of.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
The men was Howard Hunt.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
He said a Dallas police officer ordered two Dallas cops
to go over to the box car and pick up
the tramps. They were released without being booked. Well, many
people know the book Coudata by aj Weberman, where he
makes the allegations that two of the three men that
were taken away were he Howard Hunt and Frank Sturgis.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
And many of you have the book and you've seen
the picture of the tramps.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
We know that three men were paraded off and have
been described as the tramps. There's no picture of these
three men picking up any shells at Daley Plaza. He
says that they were picking up shells, but there's no
evidence that these three men leaned down and picked up
a shell. I've seen all the pictures of Daely plazas
that are available, but I've never seen a picture of
these men picking up the shells. The only photograph we
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have are the three men being led away by men
disguised as Dallas police. In the Gemstone file, he said
the Dallas police ordered the cops to go over the
box car, but there's no tape recording of it.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Is no proof that the.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Dallas police were ordering anybody. There is evidence that men
wearing the uniforms of the Dallas Police Department were carrying
escorting three men away from the scene, but later they
couldn't be identified as Dallas policemen. So this kind of
reasoning or misinformation that's in the Gemstone file should be
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broken down very and you should ask for your evidence
and realize that not all of it is true and
that it's very dangerous to go by this file. I'll
read you some more quotes he said, the rest is history.
After John Kennedy was killed, aristotle on Nassis was so
confident of his control over the police, the media, the FBI,
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the CIA, the secret service in the United States judicial
systems that he had JFT murdered before the eyes of
the nation, then systematically bought off, killed off, or frightened
off all witnesses, and then put a seventy five year
seal of secrecy over the entire matter. Now, if you
think seriously about that statement, you realize that Aristoto Nassis
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didn't have that kind of power. He didn't control Earl Warren.
He never was around the United States to control the
Dallas Police Department. People like Nea Akros, his competitor, or
Tom Poppas, the Greek shipping oil clerk who had entree
into the White House with Biro Agnew and Richard Nixon
and the Rocketfells, had more political clout than any aristotla
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Onassis had in this country. And it seems that the
whole Gemstone file has two scapegoats. One is on Nassas
and the other is the mafia. Onasis had some kind
of information, but I think Onasas was a victim. I
think the Jacqueline Kennedy was sent to Onasas to babysit him.
He put up a large amount of money to try
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and find out who killed John Kennedy, and there's been
stories that that's the reason his own son was murdered.
And then the Acro's murder Onasa's ex wife. He was
murdered and the man wasn't even held for charges, and
Onasis then died alone and had to kick out Marie
Colloss and make way for Jackie. I think that Onasis
was curious and maybe wanted to know the way the
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narcotics traffic was going to flow. He has a big
investment here and so forth. But I can't believe that
Onasis has this clout over the entire Warring Commission or
Lyndon Johnson. He dealt with a different ball of wax
at a different level, and he didn't have the control
over the system. Furthermore, Onasis is dead, and all of
these witnesses now that are being killed off, are escalating,
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people like George de Morenshield and Gary Powers and William
Sullivan of the FBI, and Carlos Pius, Karis nico Let,
Charles Nicoletti, all these deaths, the last six FBI men
that died in the last six months that I've talked about.
The witnesses are dying like flies, and Onasis isn't around
to reap the benefits. So, for some reason or other,
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Bruce Roberts had a fixation about the power of Aristyle Onassis,
and I think in the end, when the Power Control
Group took over, Onassis was a victim like Richard Nixon,
and he was under the control of people he became victimized.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
And it was not Onassis who have the power.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Now. The Gemstone goes into various payoffs that people involved
in the assassination had, and I tend agree with him
on that point. He talks about John Roselli who got
a two hundred and fifty thousand dollars finder's fee for
bringing Howard Hughes to Vegas in sixty seven. That was
just a clear cut payoff and may have had something
to do with his links to Jack Ruby.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
And having Ruby kill Leearvey Oswald.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
He cited Jimmy Frattreano getting one hundred and nine thousand
dollars loan non repayable in California and started a trucking
company Imperial Valley. Eugene Brading became a charter member of
LaCosta Country Club. The Mafia heaven Gerald Ford of the
Warrant Commission was appointed President of the United States by
Richard Nixon. John McCone, who covered this up, former head
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of the CIA, became a member of the ITT Board
of Directors. Richard Helms became CIA director. Leon Jurorski became
the special Watergate prosecutor.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
He calls that government in theater.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
And then two people who got their reversed payoffs who
were hurt by some of this assessed Nation inquiry was
a doctor Red Duke he Sides, who dug two bullets
out of John Connolly and saved his life and then
was shipped to Afghanistan by the CIA to hush up
the information about the bullets in John Connolly. And then
he cites Jim Garrison, who had all his witnesses shot
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out from under him and was framed and charged with
bribery and extortion. There is no doubt that there was
a lot of payoffs for people that covered up the
Kenny assassination. Bruce Roberts goes into Daniel Ellsberg. He said
in May nineteen seventy one folk hero Daniel Ellsberg, the
warhawk from Rand Corporation, who designed the missile ring around
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the Iron Current and released the fake Pentagon papers. It
distracted attention from John Kennedy's death, Robert Kennedy's death, Martin
Luther King's murder. Howard used this appearance. He said the
Pentagon papers were designed by Ellsberg and Ran Chief McNamara,
who became the World bank head to make the Vietnamese
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more war looked like one of those incredibly dumb mistakes. Now,
I take issue with the Gemstone File on this and
many other points. I'll explain why on this issue, and
then if any of you want the copy of the
Gemstone File, the twenty pages, you can write to me.
It comes about ten cents of page for two dollars.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
I'll mail you.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
I got letters last week, and I'll mail you your
own set so.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
You can read and analyze it.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
If the purpose of Elsburg's coming forward was to hide
the assassination information had had the opposite effect. The very
first broadcast I had on KLRB was in May nineteen
seventy one, and I was asked to analyze the Pentagon
Papers and what it meant at the time, and I
said that the Pentagon Papers was maybe a moment of
truth coming through and that the real truths to go
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over the air would be the stories of the killing
of John Kennedy and Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King.
And that's when I began my programs here on this station,
and we've been on six and a half years. The
Pentagon Papers hardly hushed up the political assassinations, but opened
up a Pandora's box. Another point is that I have
read the Pentagon Papers very carefully, and in them, Daniel
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Elsberg makes it very clear by printing the State Department
papers that the death of John Kennedy began the escalation
of the war in Vietnam. That November twenty fourth, nineteen
sixty three, for no noticeable reason, the Northern Vietnamese came
down just exact place where they had been up to
the time of the death of Kennedy, but the South
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Vietnamese escalated the war of the American troops, and he
showed in the Pentagon Papers that we had been planning
this war for a long time and evidently we had
to have Kennedy dead before they could escalate and begin
the war. And Lyndon Johnson was their man. So Bruce
Roberts is very unfair about that. I think that the
Pentagon Papers also showed our American assassination team for what
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it was. It showed very clearly the murder of DM
and its brother in law implicated, did Henry Cabot lodge
in Washington, the powers that be in Washington.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
It was the first.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Glimpse of the assassination teams running from Washington c that
we're spreading all over the world. The Pentagon Papers was
a major contribution, and Bruce Roberts has put it down
as being fake. A lot of people have tried to
discredit Daniel Ellsberg. If they do, they haven't read the papers.
I've read them, and I believe that.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
They were a major contribution.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
And after they were published, Lewis Tackwood of the Los
Angeles Police Department came forward and told about Squad nineteen
and the plans to kill Nixon and about the Watergate
team in the White House. He identified with Daniel Ellsberg
and began to spill stories, one of them I'll go
on to next week about Tagwood and a lawsuit going
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on now up in the Marine County. Beyond that next
week with you, Tagwood came forward because Daniel Ellsberg did.
And then a man named Larry Shears came forward and
talked about how al alcohol to back on firearms were
going to kill Caesar Chavez. And they saved the life
of Caesar Chavez by exposing the assassination teams the Treasury Department.
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And then mister Martinez came into the Chicano riots in
Los Angeles and the agent provocateurs. Elsberg was a source
of inspiration to Colonel Hubert over Vietnam. He was a
major contributor to getting some truths out. Sure there's things
he knows that he didn't tell, and he could tell
us a lot more. But I don't think the burden
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was on Daniel Ellsberg. I think he did a magnificent job.
There are many things about the Gemstone papers.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Which I like. There are many which I know are
absolutely wrong. You have to read history.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
You have to read seven or eight hundred books I've
done to make an analysis, but I did promise you
I would go into it, and you can get a
copy of The Skeleton Key yourself and read it. I
think that's enough for me to cover on Dialogue Conspiracy,
and I hope it's clear to you, and the best
thing you can do is then read it for yourself.
In the meantime, this is May Brussel and Carmel have
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a good year for starting a good year in nineteen
seventy eight. I'll see you next week on Dialogue Conspiracy.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
You've been listening to Dialogue Conspiracy with May Russell
It's time once again for Dialogue Conspiracy with May Brussel.
For the past fourteen years, May has been researching and
uncovering facts and evidence from between the lines of the
news and placing them in a more thorough perspective of
how conspiracy, political assassination, and abuses of power affect us.
All Dialogue Conspiracy originates with KLRBFM in Carmel, California and
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now May Brussel.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Good Evening.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
This is May Brussel and Carmel, California. This is Dialogue
Conspiracy number three hundred and three, and it is January
the first, nineteen seventy eight.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
We have to get used to that date.
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Last week on Dialogue Conspiracy, I had a part one series.
This eving will be a continuation Part two of the
Gemstone Files. I got about forty letters from people that
listened at alagu Conspiracy or take the Tapes asking me
for a summary and analysis of the Gemstone Files. I
did some of it last week, and I'm going to
go right into it now for those of you that
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weren't here last week or didn't hear it. The Gemstone
File is the Key to the Gemstone is a document
about twenty pages long. It's a summary of approximately three
hundred and fifty handwritten pages written by Bruce Roberts. Of
some sources say there's a thousand pages, but I've never
seen them, And as far as I know, I'm the
only researcher in this country that has all of the
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handwritten pages of Bruce Roberts, and I have copied them
and put them away where they can't be harmed or taken.
And he wrote a story of the political power elite
from the late thirties up to through Watergate and up
to his death. He died of a brain tumor about
a year ago. Bruce lived in San Francisco, and he
gave me his research at the time of Watergate because
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he wanted me to know what he thought was the
story behind Watergate went led up to it, and because
he had been at a certain bar in San Francisco
on Gary Street where the Watergate defendants used to hang around.
Right after Watergate arrest, the bartender there was killed, and
I did go into that bar a couple of times
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to see what was going on.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
He claimed that G.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Gordon Liddy, I, Howard Hunt and John Erwick and most
of the Watergate defendants had an active role in their
CIA intelligence work in San Francisco and hung around this bar,
and he gave me a lot of information which has
been circulating around the world. Many people have it, and
as I say, they want to make a movie about
the Gemstone Key File in England. Parts of this file
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are true, parts of them are absolutely untrue.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Some of it is difficult to check.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Some of it I have used for my own research
and writing, and it's a very controversial document because it's
filled with a lot of misinformation. I'm going to give
some quotations of the Gemstone File this week and analyze
them as much as we have time for and do
a critique of some of the information that I think
is bad information. There's one section of the Gemstone File
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that is particularly interesting and controversial, and it has to
do with the role of the present Pope is Cardinal Montini,
who he had made the allegations. Bruce Roberts said that
the Pope was part of the international narcotics traffic with
a mafia and the CIA since his early days as
a cardinal. Quotes this is from the Gemstone File. He said,
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the battle of the mafia narcotics traffic has been tangled
with a hierarchy of the Catholic Church, specifically the Vatican
and the Pope. It was Bruce Roberts who told me
in nineteen seventy two that this current Pope was in
the OSS and that he was linked to the Golden
Triangle narcotics traffic in Southeast Asia that particularly escalated during
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the Vietnamese War. A year later after he told me
this information, a book came out on the history of
THESS and it did link Cardinal Montini, who then became
the Pope, as being in the OSS for the United States,
and many people know that almost every agent in the
OSS then became an officer or an agent of the CIA. Recently,
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there is a new book out that I quoted on
Dialogue conspiracy called Treason for My Daily Bread, which has
to do with Cardinal Montini, naming him as the person
who assisted Martin borm In the Nazi and other Nazis
to leave Italy and go to South America. That they
went from Austria to Brenner Pass disguised as monks. And
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this information that is new about the Cardinal Montini, the
Pope working with Martin borm and the Nazi In addition
to that, the Gemstone File refers to Cardinal tisserand he
was the head of the College of Cardinals at the Vatican,
and Bruce Roberts claimed that he was murdered with sodium morphate.
He said Tissaran had followed the career of this present
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Pope Montini, and that's the reason that he was murdered.
Tisran was murdered. He said Montini had also poisoned Pope
Pious the eleventh in order to become the pope, and
that he was banished from Rome for a time being
by Pope Pious the twelfth and then returned and became
the present Pope in nineteen sixty three, the year that
dim was murdered and John Kennedy was murdered. Bouce Roberts
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wrote in the Gemstone File that Tisran wrote all of
this down in his diaries, and at the time he
called the present Pope that was Cardinal Montini, then the
deputy of Christ at Auschwitz, meaning the extermination camp, and
he said that Montini was the fulfillment of the Fatima
prophecy that the anti Christ shall rise to become the
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head of the church. Now, this is pretty heavy stuff
for a person that had put in your hands these
allegations of the Cardinal. And it has been confirmed the
role of the present Pope in helping Martin Borman the
Nona's escape. But the murder charges were never written up
or discussed until just nineteen seventy seven. A new book
came out two months ago called The Assassination Theory and Practice.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
It's put up by.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Richard Camellion by Playdon Press in Colorado in nineteen seventy
seven publication. And I'll just read you a couple of
sentences from this book, which is the first book that
I've seen or own that would back up Bruce Roberts' allegations.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
And these are quotations from the book. It says, a.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Suggestion of intrigues surround the depth of Pope Pie's the eleventh.
He died in bed in the Vatican at the age
of eighty one. To his very last, Pope Pious the
Eleventh was the deadly enemy of fascism, Benito Mussolini and
Adolf Hitler. Shortly before he died, Eugene Cardinal Tisserand was
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directed to convene a meeting of all Italian bishops to
hear what his Holiness had to say, and what he
had to say was against Nazism and fascism. Just before
the meeting was to take place, Pope Pis the eleventh
was given what they called a stimulant, it was an injection,
and an hour later his Holiness was dead, so that
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he couldn't meet with the bishops to object to Hitler's
fascism or Mussolini's fascism. And the author asked, in this book,
where is the evidence for assassination? He said, it is
historical fact that Claretta Petucci was Benito Mussolini's mistress for
eight years. Along with Mussolini, she was executed. Petucci happened
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to be a fanatical pro fascist, pro Mussolini follower. Is
it purely by chance or sure coincidence that the father
of Claretta Patucci, the woman who lived with Mussolini, His
name was doctor Francesco Petucci, was the senior Vatica physician
who gave Pope Pius eleventh the injection, allegedly the stimulant.
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The hour before he died, Pope Pias was to meet
and discuss with the bishops the evils of fascism, German
and Italian was Pope Pious the eleventh murdered. This is
in this new book on assassinations, and it is an
excellent book. It just came out and it goes into
the origin of assassinations from the various countries and the
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way they're done. It's the first book that I've read
in print that has linked Marina Oswald to the CIA,
and that is a big jump in terms of information
that her uncle wasn't necessarily with the KGB, but the
branches of the CIA, which was in fact true.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
So Richard Camellion asked the question, was the Pope murdered?
Speaker 3 (08:33):
And in the Gemstone files, Bruce Roberts had set in
nineteen seventy two that both Tisseran and Pope Pius eleventh
were murdered, and that would make sense if Cardinal Montini
was working with the Nazis, if he was described as
the Christ at Auschwitz, if he was in favor of
letting Martin Borman and the head Nazis go out of Italy,
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out of Austria to Italy, to South America, and if
this man was in charge of the Pope's health and
his daughter lived with Benito Mussolini, and they were confirmed
fascists and the Pope was objecting to fascism. It's a
good question coming out in literature now. Was the Pope
murder for his anti fascist stance? And why would the
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father of this woman who lived with Mussolini all these
years be the one giving the injection to the anti
fascist pope. So putting that together, the Gemstone File has
certainly some provocative questions to ask, and I'm not putting
it all down because it's that kind of information that
does what your appetite. There's another section of the Gemstone
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Files where he makes the statement, two murders had to
occur before John Kennedy was killed in order to get
away with this killing, and he cites Senator Estes keif Ouber.
He said his Crime Commission had uncovered the original deal
in nineteen thirty two between Aristolo and n Asses, Joe Kennedy,
the father of John Kennedy, and Meyer for the international
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narcotic swingling that they were doing, and Keith Fowber was
planning a speech on the Senate floor to denounce these
mafia operations. Instead, he ate a piece of apple pie
laced with sodium morphate, had a sodium morphate induced heart
attack on the Senate floor.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
The second murder that he says.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Had to take place was Philip Graham, the editor of
the Washington Post who was married to Katherine Meyer, and
Bruce Roberts says in the Jamestone Files that Eugene Meyer's
daughter Catherine, was to take over the mafia controlled Washington
Post and they also owned the Newsweek, and Graham was
very strong John Kennedy worker. He put together the John
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Kennedy Lyndon Johnson ticket. He was Kennedy's best friend and
a struggle against the power of Onassis and the mafia.
This is from the Gemstone file. He said Katherine Meyer
Graham bribed the psychiatrist to certify that her husband was insane.
He was allowed out of the asylum for the weekend.
He died of a unshot wound in the head and
the death was ruled as a suicide. I don't know
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and have no way to check out the links of
Eugene Meyer and his links to the mafia. This week
was an allegation made by Bruce Roberts that I cannot support.
I do support the belief that Philip Graham was murdered,
that this suicide was like the death of George and Warrenshield.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I believe he.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Did have to die at that time. In the circumstances
of his death gave Catherine Graham tremendous power which she
has wielded even the role of the Washington Post getting
Richard Nixon out of office in their one sided investigations.
The power of the Washington Post in Newsweek, combined with
Henry Luce's power and time and life and their syndicate
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fortune is overwhelming. With the assassins, they work hand in
glove with the CIA mafia connected links. I don't know
how much Senator sters Keith Albert knew. I know that
the man who worked with him, who would have been
controlling his campaign of Keith aalver Ran for vice president,
was Bernard Fensterwald of the CIA, one of the dirtiest
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dogs to walk the face of Washington.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
He's a Senate lawyer.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
He chimed up at the time of Watergate and became
the attorney for James McCord. I've known fenster Wald, unfortunately
for quite a few years, at least eight or nine,
and I have utmost contempt for him, and I can
link him at least physically in the presence of situations
where people died in two cases just seven or eight
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weeks after he was present. I don't trust fenster Wald
and I don't know what role he had at the
time going way back with the Keith Walver death, But
in the Gemstone files, two deaths are necessary according to
Bruce Roberts, and those were Keith Walver and Philip Graham.
I think the death of Marilyn Monroe that took place
just a month or so before John Kennedy killed was
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a primary death or murder that had to take place
because with her relationships with John and Robert Kennedy, it
could hush Robert Kennedy up and they could blackmail him
from not investigating his brother's murder. I think the Marilyn
Monroe death was more important than my research. But four
reasons that he never documents or goes into detail. Bruce
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Roberts said that Keith olbers death and Philip Grahams were
primary before the Kennedy assassination took place. Now where Bruce
Roberts gets way off base, I believe is in the
story of the Kennedy assassination, and because that's the area
I know the best. I have to use it as
a yardstick to base the value of some of the
other information which I can't get into. His account of
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the Dealing Plaza killing of John Kennedy goes this way.
He said there were four shooters, Lee Arvy Oswald, Eugene Braiding,
Jimmy Fratriano and John rosell It, e Howard Hunt, James
Mccordworth Deally Plaza, and Frank Sturgis was in Miami. It's
the other way around. There's no proof that Lee Harvey
Oswald shot any gun No Second nineteen sixty three, so
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I don't believe that Oswald was one of the shooters
at all. There's no evidence that McCord and Hunt were
at daily a place are There are no photographs of
them that could confirm that. But there's reasonably Frank Sturgis
was there. So I believe that Bruce Roberts has turned
this around. He goes on to say that Fratriano, Jimmy
Fratriano shot.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
From the Dal Texas building.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Now I can't say that Fratriano did or didn't shoot
at the time of the Kennedy assassination. He's been called
before the House select committee to testify about where he was,
except for the fact that he did publicly say Kennedy
should be killed, and he did work with the Robert
Mayhew and the CIA mafia assassination teams. There has been
no photograph of Fatriana in the Dallas Fort Worth area
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up to or after the assassination. Nobody said they saw
him there or registered as any alias. That doesn't mean
he wasn't there, but up till now there's been no
proof that Fratriano was there at all. And I have
the feeling that the assassins were better trained, as I
said before on this program in Ajauco, Mexico, by Albert Osborne,
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and that they were not this assassination team. This team
may have picked up some shells at Dealey Plaza. He
says Pratriano shot from the dal Text building, but has
no supporting document or photograph to prove it. Bruce Roberts
said that John Roselli shot John Kennedy once on the
right side of the head Lewis brains out from behind
the fence. Again, this is questionable. Nobody saw Gen Roselli
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at Deli Plaza. He was well known mafia man in
nineteen sixty three. That doesn't mean he wasn't there, but
he says categorically that Pretriano shot one shot from the
dal techs and Roselli did the fatal shot. The third
point of triangulation, he claimed, was supplied by Eugene Braiding
from that small pagodat Dealey Plaza.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Now.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Braiding is a mafia member who later went on to
join the early Lacasta gang down in San Clemente when
that resort opened. Braiding was seen at Daily Plaza and
he was given aliases, and he did walk over the
Dow Text building afterwards to make a telephone call. He
could have left a gun in the bushes that one
of the other men picked up. I know Oswald didn't
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shoot a gun November twenty second, nineteen sixty three.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I don't know where Fratriano was.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
John Roselly is dead, killed right after he tested before
it five before the Senate House Select Committee, and Eugene
Braiding has never been called to testify before anyone. So
I just give you the allegations and what I think
of them. I also have this statement here from the
Gemstone file. Bruce Roberts said Lee Arvy Oswald shot John
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Kennley twice, John Connelly twice from the Texas school Book Depository.
He left the front door of the building with his
rifle in the building there was a backup man. Instead
of taking it out, they left it so that Oswald
would be the patsy. I don't believe that Lee Arvy
Oswald shot John Connolly twice at all. If he were
going to be the patsy, they would have left the
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bullets around the car that they were in or in
the hospital to positively link them to Lee Harvey Oswald's gun.
There were no bullets found except a pristine bullet numbered
Commission Exhibit three nine to nine, and that doesn't link
to Lee Harvey Oswald in any sense. And there were
no fingerprints on the rifle that was supposed to be
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Lee Arvy Oswald's, and the direction of the shots couldn't
have come from the sixth floor window the way that
John Conley was shot.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
The paraffing tests.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
On Learvy Oswald were negative on his head and hands.
He couldn't have fired a weapon that day without holding
the gun. There is no way to link Learvy Oswald
to any weapon. Therefore, I don't believe that he shot
John Conley twice, and I think that Bruce Roberts is
filled in this case with this information. Marien Oswald was
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recently on a national television show saying that Learvy Oswald
wrote a letter from USASR to John Conley saying that
when I come home, I want to work for you. Well,
John Conley was Secretary of the Navy when Oswald was
in the Navy. He was the governor of Texas at
the time, and being as he was an important agent
when the U two flight was downed and Oswald was
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in Russia, I think that his contacts to Conley were
more friendly than people believe. And I don't believe he
shot anybody. And I don't believe what Bruce Roberts said
about Oswald shooting John Conley. The Gemstone File also says
that three men were dressed as tramps then picked up
shells from the ground at Dealey Plaza, and one of.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
The men was Howard Hunt.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
He said a Dallas police officer ordered two Dallas cops
to go over to the box car and pick up
the tramps. They were released without being booked. Well, many
people know the book Coudata by aj Weberman, where he
makes the allegations that two of the three men that
were taken away were he Howard Hunt and Frank Sturgis.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
And many of you have the book and you've seen
the picture of the tramps.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
We know that three men were paraded off and have
been described as the tramps. There's no picture of these
three men picking up any shells at Daley Plaza. He
says that they were picking up shells, but there's no
evidence that these three men leaned down and picked up
a shell. I've seen all the pictures of Daely plazas
that are available, but I've never seen a picture of
these men picking up the shells. The only photograph we
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have are the three men being led away by men
disguised as Dallas police. In the Gemstone file, he said
the Dallas police ordered the cops to go over the
box car, but there's no tape recording of it.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Is no proof that the.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Dallas police were ordering anybody. There is evidence that men
wearing the uniforms of the Dallas Police Department were carrying
escorting three men away from the scene, but later they
couldn't be identified as Dallas policemen. So this kind of
reasoning or misinformation that's in the Gemstone file should be
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broken down very and you should ask for your evidence
and realize that not all of it is true and
that it's very dangerous to go by this file. I'll
read you some more quotes he said, the rest is history.
After John Kennedy was killed, aristotle on Nassis was so
confident of his control over the police, the media, the FBI,
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the CIA, the secret service in the United States judicial
systems that he had JFT murdered before the eyes of
the nation, then systematically bought off, killed off, or frightened
off all witnesses, and then put a seventy five year
seal of secrecy over the entire matter. Now, if you
think seriously about that statement, you realize that Aristoto Nassis
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didn't have that kind of power. He didn't control Earl Warren.
He never was around the United States to control the
Dallas Police Department. People like Nea Akros, his competitor, or
Tom Poppas, the Greek shipping oil clerk who had entree
into the White House with Biro Agnew and Richard Nixon
and the Rocketfells, had more political clout than any aristotla
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Onassis had in this country. And it seems that the
whole Gemstone file has two scapegoats. One is on Nassas
and the other is the mafia. Onasis had some kind
of information, but I think Onasas was a victim. I
think the Jacqueline Kennedy was sent to Onasas to babysit him.
He put up a large amount of money to try
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and find out who killed John Kennedy, and there's been
stories that that's the reason his own son was murdered.
And then the Acro's murder Onasa's ex wife. He was
murdered and the man wasn't even held for charges, and
Onasis then died alone and had to kick out Marie
Colloss and make way for Jackie. I think that Onasis
was curious and maybe wanted to know the way the
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narcotics traffic was going to flow. He has a big
investment here and so forth. But I can't believe that
Onasis has this clout over the entire Warring Commission or
Lyndon Johnson. He dealt with a different ball of wax
at a different level, and he didn't have the control
over the system. Furthermore, Onasis is dead, and all of
these witnesses now that are being killed off, are escalating,
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people like George de Morenshield and Gary Powers and William
Sullivan of the FBI, and Carlos Pius, Karis nico Let,
Charles Nicoletti, all these deaths, the last six FBI men
that died in the last six months that I've talked about.
The witnesses are dying like flies, and Onasis isn't around
to reap the benefits. So, for some reason or other,
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Bruce Roberts had a fixation about the power of Aristyle Onassis,
and I think in the end, when the Power Control
Group took over, Onassis was a victim like Richard Nixon,
and he was under the control of people he became victimized.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
And it was not Onassis who have the power.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Now. The Gemstone goes into various payoffs that people involved
in the assassination had, and I tend agree with him
on that point. He talks about John Roselli who got
a two hundred and fifty thousand dollars finder's fee for
bringing Howard Hughes to Vegas in sixty seven. That was
just a clear cut payoff and may have had something
to do with his links to Jack Ruby.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
And having Ruby kill Leearvey Oswald.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
He cited Jimmy Frattreano getting one hundred and nine thousand
dollars loan non repayable in California and started a trucking
company Imperial Valley. Eugene Brading became a charter member of
LaCosta Country Club. The Mafia heaven Gerald Ford of the
Warrant Commission was appointed President of the United States by
Richard Nixon. John McCone, who covered this up, former head
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of the CIA, became a member of the ITT Board
of Directors. Richard Helms became CIA director. Leon Jurorski became
the special Watergate prosecutor.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
He calls that government in theater.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
And then two people who got their reversed payoffs who
were hurt by some of this assessed Nation inquiry was
a doctor Red Duke he Sides, who dug two bullets
out of John Connolly and saved his life and then
was shipped to Afghanistan by the CIA to hush up
the information about the bullets in John Connolly. And then
he cites Jim Garrison, who had all his witnesses shot
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out from under him and was framed and charged with
bribery and extortion. There is no doubt that there was
a lot of payoffs for people that covered up the
Kenny assassination. Bruce Roberts goes into Daniel Ellsberg. He said
in May nineteen seventy one folk hero Daniel Ellsberg, the
warhawk from Rand Corporation, who designed the missile ring around
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the Iron Current and released the fake Pentagon papers. It
distracted attention from John Kennedy's death, Robert Kennedy's death, Martin
Luther King's murder. Howard used this appearance. He said the
Pentagon papers were designed by Ellsberg and Ran Chief McNamara,
who became the World bank head to make the Vietnamese
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more war looked like one of those incredibly dumb mistakes. Now,
I take issue with the Gemstone File on this and
many other points. I'll explain why on this issue, and
then if any of you want the copy of the
Gemstone File, the twenty pages, you can write to me.
It comes about ten cents of page for two dollars.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
I'll mail you.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
I got letters last week, and I'll mail you your
own set so.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
You can read and analyze it.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
If the purpose of Elsburg's coming forward was to hide
the assassination information had had the opposite effect. The very
first broadcast I had on KLRB was in May nineteen
seventy one, and I was asked to analyze the Pentagon
Papers and what it meant at the time, and I
said that the Pentagon Papers was maybe a moment of
truth coming through and that the real truths to go
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over the air would be the stories of the killing
of John Kennedy and Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King.
And that's when I began my programs here on this station,
and we've been on six and a half years. The
Pentagon Papers hardly hushed up the political assassinations, but opened
up a Pandora's box. Another point is that I have
read the Pentagon Papers very carefully, and in them, Daniel
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Elsberg makes it very clear by printing the State Department
papers that the death of John Kennedy began the escalation
of the war in Vietnam. That November twenty fourth, nineteen
sixty three, for no noticeable reason, the Northern Vietnamese came
down just exact place where they had been up to
the time of the death of Kennedy, but the South
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Vietnamese escalated the war of the American troops, and he
showed in the Pentagon Papers that we had been planning
this war for a long time and evidently we had
to have Kennedy dead before they could escalate and begin
the war. And Lyndon Johnson was their man. So Bruce
Roberts is very unfair about that. I think that the
Pentagon Papers also showed our American assassination team for what
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it was. It showed very clearly the murder of DM
and its brother in law implicated, did Henry Cabot lodge
in Washington, the powers that be in Washington.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
It was the first.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Glimpse of the assassination teams running from Washington c that
we're spreading all over the world. The Pentagon Papers was
a major contribution, and Bruce Roberts has put it down
as being fake. A lot of people have tried to
discredit Daniel Ellsberg. If they do, they haven't read the papers.
I've read them, and I believe that.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
They were a major contribution.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
And after they were published, Lewis Tackwood of the Los
Angeles Police Department came forward and told about Squad nineteen
and the plans to kill Nixon and about the Watergate
team in the White House. He identified with Daniel Ellsberg
and began to spill stories, one of them I'll go
on to next week about Tagwood and a lawsuit going
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on now up in the Marine County. Beyond that next
week with you, Tagwood came forward because Daniel Ellsberg did.
And then a man named Larry Shears came forward and
talked about how al alcohol to back on firearms were
going to kill Caesar Chavez. And they saved the life
of Caesar Chavez by exposing the assassination teams the Treasury Department.
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And then mister Martinez came into the Chicano riots in
Los Angeles and the agent provocateurs. Elsberg was a source
of inspiration to Colonel Hubert over Vietnam. He was a
major contributor to getting some truths out. Sure there's things
he knows that he didn't tell, and he could tell
us a lot more. But I don't think the burden
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was on Daniel Ellsberg. I think he did a magnificent job.
There are many things about the Gemstone papers.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Which I like. There are many which I know are
absolutely wrong. You have to read history.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
You have to read seven or eight hundred books I've
done to make an analysis, but I did promise you
I would go into it, and you can get a
copy of The Skeleton Key yourself and read it. I
think that's enough for me to cover on Dialogue Conspiracy,
and I hope it's clear to you, and the best
thing you can do is then read it for yourself.
In the meantime, this is May Brussel and Carmel have
(29:03):
a good year for starting a good year in nineteen
seventy eight. I'll see you next week on Dialogue Conspiracy.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
You've been listening to Dialogue Conspiracy with May Russell
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