Guest Podcast: We The People Studios File Deletions and Public Records in Maricopa County Arizona

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
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Speaker 3 (00:14):
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Speaker 1 (00:37):
Move, oh Ship. I'm sorry, I've been watching too much TV,
too much caffeine too.

Speaker 4 (00:46):
It's afternoon, Brian and he's cut off from the coffee.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Good evening, and we want to welcome you all to
uh what is this episode five? The People Us Alliance's
podcast where we bring you as up to date as
we can get information about what is taking place in
Maricopa County, the state of Arizona and your elections and

(01:15):
what has been happening is absolutely startling, Isn't that right, Shelby?

Speaker 4 (01:22):
Look absolutely, if you checked out our last episode, our
data engineer, our it director, he was able to show
that signature verification is being conducted at rates that are
absolutely humanly impossible. And so I'm thinking Americopa County needs

(01:43):
to either be recommended for a Guineas Book of World
Records or we've got some serious problems going on and
signature verification at Meericopa County.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Well, I think I gotta tell you, I think this
is exactly the playbook that Katie Hobbs wants. Because the
Arizona Legislature both the House and the Senate passed legislation
that would require mail in ballots to be submitted on
the Friday prior to the election. Isn't that correct? That's correct?

(02:14):
And would that and didn't have given them a sufficient
amount of time to verify all signatures that came in
prior to election day.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
It would have put us closer to the Florida model,
giving us the opportunity to get all the mail in
ballots done during that extraordinarily large early voting window, and
then allowing the county to focus on day of elections
and only day of elections, which would have reduced the
burden and flipp things over. I mean, look, we've been

(02:44):
talking about this for a long time. Signature verification is
a system designed to fail.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Well, let me ask you a question, because I think
it's interesting. One of the things we're going to point
out tonight it is we're going to talk talk about
Katie Hobbs and her huge conflict of interest in the
twenty twenty election. Right, but it's even worse than people know.
It's even worse than I was reporting during the twenty

(03:12):
twenty two election, when I was urging somebody to do
something about Katie Hobbs both running the statewide election apparatus
as well as running her campaign for governor, right, And
so I just really forgot where I was going to
go with that. But what we're going to talk about
is this conflict of interest is far deeper than anybody knows,

(03:38):
than we knew, And is it possible? Then let me
ask you this question, and maybe we could ask Chris
as well. Right, if you are tied into the election machinery,
you know everything about how many ballots have come back, right,
you know everything about how many Republican ballots have come back,

(03:59):
everything about how many Democrat ballots have come back, other
party independents have come back. Right, you know absolutely?

Speaker 4 (04:07):
Well, that's what the MS system is designed to take
all that data and to culminate it. And they claim
that they're not generating those reports because it's actually illegal
now based on the Timeline Extension bill, But none of
the county recorders have complied with that statute and actually

(04:27):
published the system log files to prove that they didn't
do any pre tabulation reporting.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
And so if you're a campaign and you're getting access
to this data, would you be able to then harvest
a bunch of ballots at the last minute that you
could cram into the system. Absolutely, And so maybe that's
what Katie Hobbs wants, because I don't know. I don't
think I would hope Katie Hobbs wouldn't stand a chance

(04:57):
in hell of winning re election. Actually, the way she
loses money, did she lose the money? Isn'tbody investigating that
nerves on it?

Speaker 4 (05:06):
They're claiming that they're investigating, but at this time there's
really no information being provided.

Speaker 5 (05:13):
Nobody's grilling her.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
The media, Sure the heck isn't talking about it, right,
but we've got how much money in the governor's budget
just missing, just gone?

Speaker 5 (05:24):
And then she goes to.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
Our legislature and asks for them to give her the
budget money to cover her deficit so she can continue
to spend well outside the budget or her authority.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Right. Well, and you got to wonder how much of
that money she's spending on the illegal immigration defensive illegal
immigration problem, because she just detowed legislation again, didn't she
with it today that would have allowed state and local
law enforcement agents.

Speaker 5 (05:55):
To assist assist at the border.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Well, you know, you know who I think the biggest
coward of a politician in the state of Arizona.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
Is I'm going to guess based on our conversations, and
I'm thinking Adrian Fontes.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Adrian Fontes is the biggest coward in the state of
Arizona as far as politicians, right, Adrian Fontees, he came out,
he came out a little while ago and and said, Oh,
I'm going to run for a ra all Goholva's seat, right,
I mean, jeez, I don't even think they had him

(06:37):
in a box at the time, did they?

Speaker 5 (06:40):
Probably probably not. I think it was in like forty eight.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Hours, and Adrian Fontes was all over that seat. He
wants that congressional seat. Right. What happened.

Speaker 4 (06:53):
The Goryhova dynasty was already tapped. Everybody knew the reason
they had extended that and allowed him to even run
again because the man had stage four cancer, he was
already dying. Was they wanted to hold that seat for
a special election for his daughter to fill his shoes.
And the Democrat apparatus had already tapped it, and Adrian

(07:17):
Fontas had no say so in the matter.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Right, So, I mean, this is pretty illustrative of the
Democratic Party. Like glare at Steve for constantly telling me
about microphone management. But anyway, I'll stop learning it. Steve.
But the Democratic Party is exceptionally anti democratic, isn't it.

(07:42):
It's very top down driven.

Speaker 5 (07:45):
Oh absolutely.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
I don't know if anybody saw the recent headlines of
what's going on in the Democrat Party. But Kelly Mark, Kelly,
Katie Hobbs, Chris Mays, Rubin Diego, and a bunch of
the most prominent Arizona Democrats had endorsed the previous chair

(08:07):
for Arizona Democrat Party chairman, and she should have been
a shoe win. But the Democrat Party itself rose up
in the grassroots and the Democrat Party voted in another
gentleman to be the state party chair. And now they're
at war with each other. The elitists and the Democrat

(08:27):
Party here in Arizona are saying we're not going to
help you.

Speaker 5 (08:30):
As a matter of fact, you were only.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
Elected because you are the backlash of the black community
rising up against the Hispanic community. As now you've got
a state chair who's saying my party is racist, and
they're trying to control it.

Speaker 5 (08:48):
They sent an email.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
Senator Kelly's office sent an email to the state Party
chair saying, if you don't fire your executive director in
the next twenty four hours.

Speaker 5 (08:57):
We won't help you fundraise.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Well, so Senator Carey's trying to put down the black
Caucus of the Democratic Party. Is that what you're saying.

Speaker 4 (09:07):
That's what it sounds like to me. It'll be an
interesting unfold for sure.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
That's interesting. Yeah. You know what I would challenge Adrian
Fontes to do. I would challenge you to demonstrate just
how democratic the Democratic Party is. Right, get off your cowardice,
little horse, declare yourself for that congressional seat. Because there

(09:37):
is no such thing as a hereditary seat in the
United States of America, but unfortunately there are four. There
are a lot of seats that seem to be hereditary. Right,
you have Griholve, it's going to go to his daughter. Wow,
you know, no, it's his daughter's seat. You can't run right.

(09:57):
We got to keep this in the right. And that's
like it's like Senator Murkowski in Alaska. Do you know
when she took office? I don't know when her daddy
retired in twenty twenty. I think it was twenty twenty.
What year is this? Oh? Wow, damn, we're alarmd for

(10:25):
the last twenty years.

Speaker 5 (10:27):
This is not a cognitive test.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
No, I mean, now this was way back in two
thousand and something. And she takes you know, Lisa Murkowski,
she takes daddy's seat, and she is about as anti
Trump rhino, anti Alaska rhino that you get, because it's
it's you know, let's keep governance in the family. And
isn't that why we told the Brits to go pound

(10:54):
sand a long time ago?

Speaker 4 (10:56):
Right, Well, the political royal and elitist families are still
trying to maintain control.

Speaker 6 (11:02):
Here.

Speaker 5 (11:03):
Look at like the.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
McCain dynasty, the Bush dynasty, you look at these different
families they go through, and you're exactly right, this is.

Speaker 5 (11:11):
This is why we declared liberation.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
Part of why we declared liberation from the Brits is
we don't want royalty.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
Yeah, we don't want to we don't want hereditary congress.
But you know, it's still it's still very largely the
Democratic Party is driven by these elitists at the top,
many of them who have national security ties and and
that's who gets the Jews who run and so Adrian

(11:38):
Fontet you should you should buck that trend, get on
your damn whore and run for the seat you really
want to run for. That's what you ought to do.

Speaker 4 (11:50):
And in the meantime, save Arizona by vacating the Secretary
of State seat.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Yeah no, duabd save Arizona for sure, right, Yeah, Arizona
needs to be saved from what's been happening. Well, well,
you want to get a little bit into what's been happening.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
So one thing we do want to talk about before
we before we talk about the public records and what's
happening recently, is the file deletions that were discovered back
in twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
Yeah, this is a huge issue, and basically basically what
happens the American people are actually the people of the
state of Arizona. They watched the twenty twenty elections, right,
and it's one of those things where you go to
bed and you wake up the next morning and somebody

(12:44):
had thrown the other sweat, right, and so a man
who could not have won the twenty twenty election wound
up winning quote unquote the twenty twenty election. We knew
immediately that some thing significant was a myth. Right, It's like,
and I'm just gonna throw this out right, the twenty

(13:08):
thousand ballots to arrive at Runback after the election was over. Right.
I've never said this publicly because I've been very adamant
about getting runbacks loading doc video. If I had to
guess by now based on what I'm seeing right now,

(13:28):
is that that video no longer exists. It's been deleted. Oh,
I'm confident Abo that it's gone. Yeah, because it would
show one of two things. Right, it would show trucks
driving up and dropping ballots off on the day after
the election. You'd be able to count the trays, the

(13:49):
number of racks and estimate, you know, were there eighteen
thousand ballots on that truck on the day after the election.
Either that happened, and Runback could show the America American
people what happened. And they were just accepting ballots from
Americopa County, right, that's their only job to accept them
and to process. Right, or they didn't receive a delivery

(14:12):
about it. Right, It's entirely possible that those ballots were
printed on site after election. Right. What happened in twenty
twenty is usually significant, and that's what we're trying to
get to the bottom. Up. We do have we do
have some and I think when we bring Kim in
we can talk more about this. But we have just

(14:34):
recently learned that all of the pre twenty twenty election
emails for Americopa County are gone. They no longer have
or so they claim. Right, that's a substantial amount of
information about planning taking place in the election and what
we're going to talk about at the end of our show.

(14:54):
It raises even more significant issues because of what they're
doing and what we know they're doing now. But the
deletion of the database. So you participated in the AUTO, right, absolutely,
now tell people what the AUTO was.

Speaker 5 (15:10):
Okay, So for those that don't know.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
After twenty twenty, there was a big grassroots fight. Steve
and I and we the people were a big part
of that big fight to convince the legislature to force
Americopa County Board of Supervisors to audit the election. And
once that happened and the courts ruled that the Senate

(15:36):
had the ability to enforce those subpoenas, then Americopa County
Board of Supervisors was forced to turn over all of
the information and the ballot in relation to the twenty
twenty election, and there was a massive audit. It took
place at the coliseum, the State Fair Coliseum in downtown Phoenix,

(15:57):
and Brian you were part.

Speaker 5 (15:58):
Of that as well.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
And during that audit there was a review of the
servers and at that time Ben Cotton with with the
IT department for the audit, discovered multiple files were deleted
from the server directory and the server database and that

(16:24):
information got leaked public.

Speaker 5 (16:26):
And so should we bring Kimberly on? You want to
bring her on now or you want to go through
this first?

Speaker 1 (16:33):
Now, let's bring her on? All right?

Speaker 4 (16:35):
Hey, can you bring Kimberly on for us?

Speaker 1 (16:45):
So Jimberly please join.

Speaker 6 (16:55):
You brought Ghostly to.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
Right my supernatural power? Right? Okay? So him, I think
I said something. I want to be sure I'm accurate.
You know you you have requested a bunch of emails
prior to the twenty twenty election. Correct, Yes, America.

Speaker 6 (17:14):
But County went back to two sixteen.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
Did America but County claim they're all gone?

Speaker 6 (17:21):
Yes, they said they only go back to twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Yeah, they're all gone. Yeah that stuff. Don't worry about it.

Speaker 6 (17:29):
Convenient leading up to twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
We won't know, right, very very very convenient, right.

Speaker 4 (17:37):
Well, and they're doing quite a bit of other things
with public records. And it's quite interesting because we have
in America buta county. We have three new board of
supervisors and a new county recorder, and you would think
that transparency would be on the top of the list,
especially when you look at what they campaigned on when

(17:58):
they got elected. Yeah, transparency seems to be diminishing. It's
it's really difficult to admit that it's harder now to
get public records that it was prior to the twenty
twenty four election. And we've experienced all varieties and spectrums
of denials, price gouging. These records don't exist. So we're

(18:24):
working on that and we're going to go into more
detail on that.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
Well, well, not only that, but I mean you've done
PRRs that say I want every email between person X
and person Y, right, and they deny you. They say out,
you've got to you gotta give us some keyword right now.
My advice to us tell them the keywords are person

(18:49):
X and person.

Speaker 6 (18:50):
Y, right, right, exactly what you want every one.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
Of these damn emails between these two people. Those are
the keyword.

Speaker 5 (18:59):
That's it.

Speaker 6 (19:00):
Yeah, well, it's easier to give me everything than it
is for me to give them a topic and then
have to search for a topic. Just give me everything
and all search the topics.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
Yeah, well, they just don't like us me now because
because we do stuff like this, we we we break
stories to the people of the state of Arizona and
the United States because this is happening in every swing
state and in a lot of other swing counties throughout

(19:35):
the United States. Maricopa County is not alone. I think
Maricopa County is the most corrupt of the states. And
I think a lot of that was because you know,
John McCain and he institutionalized the national security state in
the state of Arizona. I think that's entirely the problem.
But back the deleted database, right, it's a great I

(20:00):
just want to I just wanna. I want to clarify.
The Arizona Senate served a subpoena on the on the
America County and that subpoena requested what was known as
the EMS server and that stands for Election Management System. Correct,

(20:21):
that's correct, from from the board of Supervisors and all
data contained they're in, Isn't that correct?

Speaker 5 (20:29):
That's correct?

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Right, all right, said, do you have anything to add?
Anybody have anything to add before we queu up our
first video?

Speaker 5 (20:36):
No, I think the video is going to kind of
speak for itself.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
Yeah, so so this first video that you're going to
watch is we're going to go backwards in this process.
This is actually Congressman Andy Biggs at a congressional hearing
interviewing Jack Sellers, and I believe it was who's the
other one that that was in? Now it Jack Schellers?

(21:02):
Who Bill Gates? Yes, thank you, Kimberly. Yeah, it was
Bill Gates and Jack Sellers. So Steve, can you go
ahead and queue up this deletion compilation video?

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Hinjas can't even find files that were already given to
them by Maricopa County. They can't find the files because
they don't know what they're doing. And we wouldn't be
asked to do this on the job training if qualified
auditors had been hired to do this work.

Speaker 7 (21:52):
I have been accused of deleting entire databases. Though I
participated in the transference of all databases the Senate have
seen them with my own eyes, and even though I
still have access to the current fully functional voting database.

Speaker 8 (22:09):
Is the standard practice to delete files off a server
after an election.

Speaker 9 (22:12):
I would say that it is appropriate to maintain files,
and that's exactly what we did. We deleted that we did,
we deleted. The deleted files have been discussed. They were archived.

Speaker 8 (22:25):
So you admit that you guys did delete. Miricleny did
delete files off the server after the.

Speaker 9 (22:29):
Election that were that are archived.

Speaker 8 (22:32):
They didn't have access to those archived files at first.
Is that fair to.

Speaker 9 (22:35):
Say they did not subpoena those That's crap.

Speaker 8 (22:39):
Okay, So so you didn't feel obligated to turn that
over then to them.

Speaker 9 (22:44):
We responded to the subpoena.

Speaker 8 (22:46):
Mister Bennett, you.

Speaker 10 (22:47):
Response to that, I find it frankly lappable to suggest
that a county, in response to a subpoena could say,
we will delete files from the hard drives and materials
that we give to the auditors, because we have those
files archived on data that we did not give to

(23:09):
the auditors when this apenis said, turn over all the
records related to the election.

Speaker 8 (23:13):
So your Twitter account mentions that the purging of the
twenty twenty election database in the beginning of February is
a standard practice Can you please confirm for me that
that's what you do for all elections, after all elections,
that you do.

Speaker 9 (23:26):
I cannot confirm that for you today, but we can
certainly get you that answer.

Speaker 10 (23:29):
Congressman.

Speaker 8 (23:30):
Thank you, Miss Chairman. Can you confirm that today or not?

Speaker 2 (23:35):
I really can't confirm that either today. I just know
that because there is limited space on these servers, when
you have to run another election, then you have to
make room for the additional election data.

Speaker 8 (23:50):
Can you explain to me why data was still present
for prior elections on the databasis in and of itself.

Speaker 9 (24:00):
And I don't have any answer that question, but we'll
certainly get you any answer for it in congressation.

Speaker 8 (24:04):
I appreciate if you would give me that information.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
And I do think that it's important that our recorder
has suggested that he will be answering every question in
a timely fashion.

Speaker 8 (24:16):
That's that's the same recorder that campaigned that Adrian Fontes
was incompetent and called him a criminal. And he was
the guy that was running the twenty twenty election. And
that's and you actually hired someone to oversee mister Fontes
because you guys didn't trust mister Fonts as well. Is
that the same guy Steve? Is that same Stephen Richard?

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah, I wouldn't put it.

Speaker 9 (24:38):
I wouldn't put it that way.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
Yeah, I thought I thought that was a funny. I
never get tired of watching Jack Sellers.

Speaker 5 (24:55):
Let me ask you a direct question, Where's where's my
He had a Biden moment, didn't he? He looked like
he was lost in the rose garden.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Who you know, that's just like, you know, typical politicians,
right and so and so here we had the EMS server,
they have their Board of supervisors meeting where they just
villified m but not just that they're friends in the
news media, right, villified those of us doing the audit

(25:30):
because you know, they were saying, we didn't know what
we were doing, we didn't know what was going on.

Speaker 5 (25:36):
You remember that, Oh my goodness. Absolutely, and and that
was the thing. It was. We were met with so much.

Speaker 11 (25:44):
Uh, scorn, hostility, hatred, just outright disdain for the American
people and for the voters Americopa County.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Yeah, it was, it was, It was. It was a
sad day in Arizona's history. But but they they have
that meeting and then they're called to testify before Congress
under Oh, so.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
Some things happened in between. So they had this meeting
at Maricopa County, the Border Supervisors by monthly meeting, and
they said, we didn't delete this cyber Ninjas doesn't know
what they're talking about. These people are crazy. These aren't
file deletions, right.

Speaker 5 (26:27):
And so Ben Cotton.

Speaker 4 (26:30):
Had found the deletion logs and they got leaked publicly,
and so the Border Supervisors scrambled with pr and they
started to pushing out all these things.

Speaker 5 (26:39):
This is a lie.

Speaker 4 (26:41):
These are incompetent people. And Steve can can you put
up number two please for us? So what he's going
to put up is the actual deletion log that been
caught and found. And if you if you look to
the right, you'll see all the red axes that show
that these files were deleted, and all of them show
a modification or deletion day of four twelve, twenty twenty one.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Now we should write that number down for twelve twenty
twenty one, right, Do we have a time?

Speaker 4 (27:13):
Yeah, it was a it was approximately I believe three
ZHO four pm on four twenty one.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
Okay, so the day is highly relevant, correct, absolutely, And
the time is highly relevant. Correct, that's correct, all right,
And so they go around vilifying those of us doing
the audit as being incompetent, unable to get the job done.
You know, they don't they don't want to take the

(27:39):
time to teach us. But then when they're they're called
on the carpet in front of Congress.

Speaker 5 (27:45):
Well we got video, Oh yeah, oh that's yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Yeah. So let's let's talk a little bit about well
we we want to play a Ben Cotton video, don't we.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (27:58):
So this has been caught in testifying before Senator Fan
and Senator Peterson, and he's talking about the file deletion
and what occurred with that file deletion.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
And Ben file. Ben Cotton is, by the way, one
of the foremost computer forensics analysts in the United States,
Isn't that correct?

Speaker 5 (28:20):
That's absolutely true.

Speaker 4 (28:21):
He's got a reputation that surpasses very few in the country, right,
and they tried to discredit him and discredit his credentials
when he came forward with this deletion. So it was
interesting when this law got leaked because we were able
to not only find the video, but we the people

(28:44):
we pr R, WE Public Records requested the server lag
itself to show the access key card swipes and correlate
it with the video.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
So you know, this is why I'm going to reiterate
again real quick, I'm going to do a commercial advertisement. Right,
this is a commercial advertisement. If you love your country
and if you're out there, regardless of what city, state,
county you live in, it doesn't matter. You need to

(29:15):
study your public records laws in whatever state you happen
to be in, and you need to start requesting documents
from your government because they're obligated. I guarantee you under
most states laws to provide them to you so that
you can find out exactly what your government is doing.
And that's what most of the information our work is

(29:37):
based on, is it.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
I would say at least ninety nine percent of our
work is based off of some public records document and
then we supplement it with public source experts. But you
have to have the government data and the government documents first.

Speaker 5 (29:53):
So it is critically important.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
And if there are people out there that want to
learn how to do this, please reach.

Speaker 5 (30:00):
Out to us.

Speaker 4 (30:01):
We are happy to help walk you through the process
because the more of us that are holding our government accountable,
the better and we've seen through this course of time
putting this information out and the impact that it truly
does have and making things safer, secure, and more transparent.
But I think we should go to Ben Cotton's video.

(30:23):
What are your thoughts, Brian.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
Well, I think so, all right, let's do it.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
Steve, can you queue up number three Ben Cotton's video?
So this is Ben Cotton testifying to Senate President Fan
and Senator Peterson about the audit findings in.

Speaker 12 (30:41):
A RAID configuration known as one plus zero. So, in
other words, you have a.

Speaker 13 (30:48):
You having volume that is not only neared, but it's
also data redundancy in spriped.

Speaker 12 (30:54):
Across both drives as well.

Speaker 13 (30:56):
Obviously, if I don't turn on a system, I don't
have access to the RAID parameters, and the county did
not provide those to us, so I had to do
a discovery process to determine what that rate configuration was.
Part of that process is a scan across those drives

(31:17):
to detect partitions of data and to also detect what
we call the master filetable. So a master filetable, very
simply put, is a record of all of the directories
and the files that are contained in that partition, and
a pointing.

Speaker 12 (31:38):
And a pointer to where that data resides on the
hard drive.

Speaker 13 (31:42):
In the course of performing that MFT discovery, I discovered
a MFT that clearly indicated that the database directory was
deleted from that server. Of this, however, maybe a moot point,

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because subsequently I've been able to recover all of those
to being files and I have access to that data.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
Okay, well here we are.

Speaker 4 (32:15):
We've got Ben Cotton saying I found this file directory,
it's deleted, and you've got the county saying no, no,
none of this is sure.

Speaker 5 (32:24):
This isn't real. We didn't delete anything.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
And Ben Cotton was then subsequently able to reconstruct all
of that data absolutely.

Speaker 4 (32:35):
Because those people that have a little bit of knowledge
in computers, you know that once things are out there,
they're typically you don't get rid of them very easy.
I think that's why Hillary Clinton put bleach on our service, right.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Bit bleach bit and bleach bit and white.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
So, Kimberly, what do you remember about the whole file
deletion thing? What stood out the most to you when
we were living this together back in twenty one.

Speaker 6 (33:09):
Oh when they deleted the file, it was immediately guilty
that that was my thought, now, why would you delete
it the night before the audit knowing we were going
to look at it? And then you said that all
the older elections on.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
You said that the night night before the audit.

Speaker 6 (33:30):
Yeah, and the night before they deleted that file the
night before the audit. Yeah, I mean you know.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Okay, So just so people have an understanding of what transpired, right,
because you said something that's very key, the Senate served
a subpoena the Americopa County Board of Supervisors visa the
their lawyers at the Americopa County Attorney's Office challenged that

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subpoena in court of.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
Look right, yes, oh absolutely, and the judge they said
everything was valid.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
Okay, So the court rules the subpoena is valid. Maricopa
County then has to turn over all the documents. But
before it does, before it complies with that validly issued subpoena,
the delete file from the election management. Is that what you're.

Speaker 6 (34:31):
Saying, Oh, yeah, that's what I said. It was.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
It was one day before the U haul trucks and
the Penske trucks loaded up all of the information, all
of the documents, and the servers at Maricopa County and
hauled them over. So this occurred while they were processing
for the subpoenas. It's funny because their narrative is we

(34:58):
were preparing for another election.

Speaker 5 (35:01):
But as Andy Biggs had.

Speaker 4 (35:02):
Pointed out, the election all of the election files for
twenty eighteen and twenty sixteen were still there. They didn't
archive the oldest election. They chose to archive the one
election that was under subpoena to be audited that day
before it was transferred. And so this this whole gas

(35:26):
lighting narrative that the Katy has created, it's it's pathetic.
It's really about and.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
We were They were one hundred supported by mainstream media
in Maricopa County right Arizona Central. They were all pushing
the exact same narrative. In fact, they were actually uh
releasing They were they what's that called where you released
the personal information of individuals?

Speaker 4 (35:54):
They were doing the managers at the audit yep.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Yeah, so yeah, but anyway, okay, so let's get back
to the server logs. We have the server logs, right, hey, Steve,
we want to look at number five, the server log.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
No.

Speaker 5 (36:17):
Number four public record server logs. Oh, let's take a
look at four.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
My bad good call, Steve.

Speaker 4 (36:25):
Okay, so after we got the deletion records, which we've
shown you showing it was four twelve, twenty twenty one,
and the foul deletions occurred at three thirty eight pm,
we public records requested the key card access for the
server room where where those were contained.

Speaker 5 (36:49):
And if you look at.

Speaker 4 (36:50):
This log, you'll see on four twelve one, at twelve
thirty four Brian Ramirez, who was there he specialists, attempted
to badge into the room and he was denied. They
denied because he didn't have access.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Okay, so let's talk about this server room, right. This
server room is exceptionally important, is it not. It's like
in a big glass box in the middle of the room.
Now why is it in a glass box.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
So everybody can see it? It's important, It's it's a
transparency issue. They put it in a glass box. But
it's secure from access and it has a computer badge
and badge outdoor so it can log everybody that goes
in and out, but everyone can see it.

Speaker 5 (37:41):
That is the key.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
But this is like, this is like you know that
what was that spy movie where Tom Cruise, who I
don't really like you know, he dangles down through the
ventilation shaft and he's hanging above the floor. Right, this
is all high tech and very very security. Ah, Chris
knows what movie I'm talking about. All ki tech and

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very very protected. This is this is this is your
your democracy, Arizona. Right, Maricopa County is sixty percent of
the state of Arizona's election. That is a significant share you,

(38:24):
as Stephen Richer said, right, Well, what do we say, Kim?
You remember the quart I'm talking about Stephen Richer, Well,
I decided to run because you know, Maricopa County is
sixty percent of the state, and if you can win
Maricopa County, you got a better chance statewide. Right you

(38:44):
remember that?

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (38:46):
Yeah, yeah, he said that you can get a better
chance in elections. So it's basically Miracopa was his foot
in the door, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
He's footing the door and so and so basically this
is this is this, this is Maricopa County, This is
much of Arizona. The nuts and bolts of the elections.
The most important thing the election management system. And I
don't want to harp on this, but this is hugely

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important system.

Speaker 5 (39:16):
Well, why don't we look at this system.

Speaker 4 (39:19):
We've got some video of that, Steve, can you put
up number five video?

Speaker 5 (39:24):
And this doesn't have any audio.

Speaker 4 (39:26):
This is actually Nest camera footage from the recorder's office
itself that's showing this process when they went into that
server room and deleted files. And what the server log
showed us is at the time of key entry. It
shows an election worker by the name of Christy Passerelli

(39:50):
badging in. But she led two other employees into the
server room.

Speaker 5 (39:57):
And walks away.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
We can talk about this video while it's playing, right, absolutely, you.

Speaker 5 (40:03):
Want to go ahead and put that video up, Steve.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Now remember that important date, April twelve, twenty twenty one.
That's the date of the deletion.

Speaker 4 (40:15):
Now, if you look up in the top left hand corner,
this is the FPS Dayton timestamp from the nestcams. And
that glass box that Brian talks about is that room
that we're zeroing in here, and you can see the
lady with her badge access card. She scans the door
to unlock it and she lets the man in the

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orange brown shirt and the lady in the black shirt
into the servroom and walks away. Now, so she's the
only one authorized with a badge to get in there,
and she lets them in and then walks away.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Right, Is she anywhere near that server room?

Speaker 5 (40:55):
No?

Speaker 1 (40:56):
No, And so they're not supposed to do that, are they?

Speaker 2 (41:00):
No?

Speaker 4 (41:00):
If you listen to Charles, Charles is their number one
kind of it manager at the time. He actually testifies
and puts out a statement with the Board of Supervisors
stating that no single person should ever be allowed in
the server room unattended, which happens multiple times throughout the months.

Speaker 5 (41:23):
Leading up to this.

Speaker 4 (41:24):
It also states that only four employees in the entire
Elections department have credentials to access that server room and
they're the only ones authorized to be in there unless
a person is accompanied by an authorized employee.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
And now that neither one of the individuals in that
server room at this time have access, do they?

Speaker 2 (41:52):
No?

Speaker 1 (41:52):
They do not, Okay, so technically pursue it Americopa County's rules.
Christy PASSERELLI should be in that room with that correct,
That's absolutely correct.

Speaker 4 (42:02):
And if you notice what he's doing there for those
that may not know, is he is actually accessing the
EMS system. So the area that he's facing in that screen,
that's kind of white looking. That's a that's a laptop
style computer. So he's got a keyboard that he's keystroking on,

(42:23):
and that is the actual election management system, that the
KPU that he is accessing at the moment.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
And that's all the data, all the balance, everything related
to the twenty twenty election.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
Correct, That's absolutely correct. And it's not just the twenty
twenty election. It holds and houses all of the historic
data as well. And as Congressman Biggs had eloquently pointed out,
the only ones missing was twenty twenty. Now I'm leaving
this up because I want you to see something here.

(43:01):
So again, Christy Pesserli's not there. They open the door
for this man here to go in, also not authorized
in the server room. She goes out for a minute
and he lets this other man in, and all of
this is happening at the time of the file deletion.

(43:21):
So remember the deletion logs are three point thirty seven
ish in the afternoon, and this is three point thirty nine,
And he walks around to the other side and he's
within that server room as well. This is what they
call in the industry tailgating, right, So it's like when
you go to a condominium that's gated, and then you

(43:43):
wait right and you kind of linger for somebody who
lives there to go in, and then you follow them
through the gate. That's what they're doing here. This is tailgating,
which is absolutely this is a violation of SISA SIS
any kind of cyber security standards that you can imagine
they're doing it.

Speaker 5 (44:02):
And you can go ahead and feed that video out.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
Oh that's interesting, Yeah, and so what what was that?
What was really the aftermat is what was Stephen Richer's bom.

Speaker 4 (44:18):
There was none, There was no repercussion, there was no
no fallback. They gas lit. They claimed that they had
just simply copied the files over and archived them. And
we sent all this information, we sent the videos, we
sent the server logs along with many other things to
the Attorney General to be investigated, and.

Speaker 5 (44:42):
Nothing was really done.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
And Christy Pessarelli, who was the assistant elections director at
the time, she ended up leaving and going to work
for elections in the city of Surprise.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Yeah, she's a recorder for Surprise, right, yes, So and
so just sort of we did that back. So just
a real quick choral runs through showing later in time
to further it to the future. So what we have
is people press the Senate to do it audit right,

(45:20):
and then the State Senate decides, okay, we're going to
subpoenae all these documents so that they can have an audit.
They subpoena the documents, they fight about it in court,
the Senate wins, Maerico Pacanni has to turn over the records.
They then, on the eve of turning over the EMS system,

(45:43):
delete the twenty twenty databate. They then, when they're caught
having deleted the databate, they then gaslight the public and
attack the auditors.

Speaker 4 (45:54):
Correct absolutely incompetent conspiracy, theorists, liars.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
And then the logs come out and the video comes
out showing Chrissy Passarelli allowing these unauthorized people accessed at
the time of the deletion. Correct, that's correct. And then
Congressman Andy Biggs has congressional hearings where he puts Jack
Sellers and Bill Gates under a correct yes, and both

(46:23):
Bill Gates and Jack Zellers, Bill Gates who said the
word deletion right twice? Right, right, And then he says, well, yeah,
but we we we archived them, right, which means you
just move them to another system to store them and
when you take them off the relevant system, right. And

(46:46):
so they were basically forced to admit that they did,
in fact delete the databases from the EMS server before
giving it taughder.

Speaker 5 (46:55):
And that's correct.

Speaker 4 (46:56):
And even if you were to audit it and stick
at someplace else. If somebody you know, goes into their
bank account and they delete all of the transactions, but
they still have copied of the canceled chucks hid somewhere
in a stafe that don't.

Speaker 5 (47:14):
Give it to the I R S.

Speaker 14 (47:15):
How is that?

Speaker 5 (47:16):
Okay? How is that legitimate?

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Right? Yeah, yeah, that's an issue and so but but
when I was asking you about the ramification, you know,
they got they got caught with their pants down. And
then Stephen Richer, Stephen Richer really had a response, didn't he.
And what was Stephen Richer's response.

Speaker 5 (47:41):
To the file deletion. Yeah, well he lied.

Speaker 4 (47:44):
He straight up said, I'm being accused of deleting falls
and I've turned everything over and it's not my fault
that these people are incompetent and don't know what they're
looking at.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Well now, he but you know he might not have right, Well.

Speaker 5 (48:01):
Was he didn't?

Speaker 4 (48:03):
He didn't, Brian Ramiriz deleted them? But under whose direction
and order?

Speaker 1 (48:07):
Yeah, and that's what we're trying to find out. Under
whose direction and order was that database deleted? But Stephen
Richer's response was very aggressive and it was very anti
Mega and it was very anti Trump. As Stephen Richer
started waging war on us, did he not?

Speaker 5 (48:30):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (48:30):
Absolutely, he started waging war, and that war focused on
we are a bunch of violent extreement for rest.

Speaker 4 (48:43):
Yes, you know, that's that's actually something that played out
in court. We had put in a public records request,
as you know, Brian, and we had requested the names
of the employees who conducted signature verification because we were
in the midst of doing the signature verification audit. We

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found out that people were doing signature verification remotely from home.
We found out that there were files being done at
rates that appeared to be mechanical in nature, so we
had no way to confirm that they were human. So
we requested that the user numbers that were provided to

(49:28):
us and the timing data were associated with a living,
breathing human being, and we wanted those names. So we
actually ended up having to sue and go to trial
over this, and Stephen Richer stated that it was in
the best interests of the state not to disclose this
information to we the people, because they didn't want these

(49:51):
election workers to be persecuted or simply working the election.
And it's interesting to me that they picked, of all
their key witness was Christy Pesserelli, the assistant election director
who violated multiple statutes by allowing people to utilize We

(50:15):
have her on video actually giving her access card to
employees in the election department to allow them to.

Speaker 5 (50:22):
Use it to access unauthorized areas. So this woman who.

Speaker 4 (50:26):
Consistently violates the law, who is one of the main
people responsible for our election failure, they prop her up
as their token victim and why they cannot allow organizations
like ours to verify a human being and it's paid

(50:47):
for by our tax dollars.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
Well, you know, well they made a big deal about
election violence, did they. Now you know Stephen Richer's wife
is an assistant US attorney for the District of Arizona.

Speaker 4 (51:01):
Correct, Correct, And I think her primary job is prosecuting
election related violent crimes.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
How many cases are you aware of that she's prosecuted.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
I'm actually not aware. There's two people that I know
of that were prosecuted for election violence and neither of
them lived in the state of Arizona.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
But that was his stick, wasn't it. And as a
matter of fact, Adrian Fontet, the man who's too powered
to run against his party, he used the violence tactic
in that lawsuit to get the names of the voters

(51:57):
who did not have proof of citizens right, absolutely, yeah.
And in fact, I believe they even brought an expert
out from the University of Chicago, didn't they to testify
about how MAGA violence were extremists? Right? Yeah? And so

(52:18):
you know, that's that's really it's really gone nowhere. And
I'm hoping that, you know, people start to realize that
Stephen Richard's a bigger failure than we actually make him
out to be, right, because you know, he's he's done
nothing but gaslight attempt to destroy reputations in an effort

(52:41):
to conceal relevant election related records from the people of
the state of Arizona.

Speaker 4 (52:47):
Right in addition spending literally millions of dollars erecting fences
and hiring personal security guards, Like seriously, where is the
credible threat that our tax dollars should be paying for
private personal security for Adrian Fontcast. Why don't he Why

(53:07):
don't he just call some of his cartel buddies that
he used to represent and have them do security.

Speaker 5 (53:12):
Why should our tax dollars have to foot throw?

Speaker 1 (53:16):
Well, not only that, but if you if you go
downtown during election time and you look at mc tech,
I mean, it's it looks like South Korean demilitarized zone,
doesn't it. Yes, you know, it's it's you know, it's
it's pretty sad that, you know, we're we're supposed to
be a country where people govern themselves, but the people

(53:40):
are not allowed to even see into how we choose
those to govern. And that's that's a big problem, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (53:51):
Absolutely?

Speaker 4 (53:51):
And you know, let's think about why they erected that
fan Brian. After the twenty twenty election, there was a
group of US Congressman Gozar was one of them, and
I believe it was Senator Kelly Townsend. She was State
Senator Kelly Townsend and Steve and myself and a whole

(54:12):
group of us went down to Maricopa County Tabulation Center
to simply tell them count all of the votes. Don't
stop counting. We want every vote to count. And I
remember the moment that we were actually as a large
group out there protesting the county Elections Department, saying this

(54:34):
election is being stolen, and we got down on our
knees to actually pray, and CNN was reporting, well, we
don't know what they're doing on their knees.

Speaker 5 (54:44):
We have no idea.

Speaker 4 (54:46):
It looks like maybe they're preparing to storm the elections
department and they're changing loudly let us in.

Speaker 5 (54:54):
Let us in, which none of that happened.

Speaker 4 (54:57):
We were chanting let him in because we wanted to
Congressman Gozar to go in. Within three to four days,
they had temporary fencing, right, and by the end of
the twenty twenty election, when everything had somewhat settled down,
they built all of this permanent fencing.

Speaker 5 (55:12):
So it was a result, a direct result.

Speaker 4 (55:15):
Of the American people, the Amerkopa Counti citizens, trying to
hold them accountable. So those fences are not there for safety.
Those fences are there to prevent peaceful citizens right from
having the ability to hold their elected officials accountable. You

(55:36):
can't even get in that gate without an appointment and
you have to hit the buzzer speaker, and you have
to beg to go in, and they won't let you
in most times without an appointment. And I'm sure if
I showed up there, they would find five hundred reasons
to not let me through that gate.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
Well, it's funny because Steven Richard claimed to be so transparent, right, Oh, transparency,
come down and take it poor? Right? Well, how about
how about all the after after the fact of election
documents and data. That's the stuff he doesn't want to
baseek weren't happy to have you come down and look

(56:13):
at a sterile election department. But when it comes time
to look at at what actually happens, Steven Richard says,
sit down and shut up, right. You don't need to know.
You just trust your election.

Speaker 5 (56:28):
Absolutely.

Speaker 6 (56:30):
Speaking about that gate, Well, I was just going to say,
speaking about that gate, February first in his calendar is
a meeting with CAESA to go over a grant.

Speaker 4 (56:44):
And how about here that we can show no, no, okay,
go ahead and tell everybody about that.

Speaker 6 (56:53):
Okay, So it's on February first. Oh, well, it's Homeland
Security grant combo, that's what it's called. And it's just
with the mc RC or the mcro O people, and
there is no there's no SIS of people or DHS

(57:15):
people listed on the meeting. But I'm assuming that meeting
is where he got the money for the gate and
that was the grant.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
And does that come with the large fries and a drink?

Speaker 6 (57:29):
Well it was his combo like conversation, but maybe he
did ask for fries. No, he and he got it
with coke. Remember that that's his drink of choice. But
he was in an interview, not like.

Speaker 14 (57:46):
Last week, the week before, a couple of days before
our last show. Yes, and he was on. He was
so dejected. Who could tell if he was dejected in
that conversation. He was just down, you know.

Speaker 6 (58:07):
But he says his he should have proud.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
He was wearing a beanie hat to cover yes, seeing
he has going on the top of his head.

Speaker 6 (58:17):
Yes, he wasn't wearing a beanie hat and he was
just he wasn't his I would say fate. Maybe that's
the real hymn. I don't know, but he sounded dejected,
but he said one of his proudest moments was giving
that gate, that fence around the one place where supposed
to be able to have transparency and have build trust,
and he puts a gate around it, right, So I

(58:39):
just thought that was interesting.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
Trust like you can see inside.

Speaker 4 (58:44):
Well, yeah, absolutely, and that's what they've done with everything
is reduced transparency. And Kimberly, you've been doing a lot
of public records requests surrounding Stephen Richard's calendar and these
meetings that he's been having.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
We're going to get to some meat and potato.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
So when we talk about transparency, Uh, you reported to
us something that that I believe is quite startling and
I think people need to know, and that is the
use of personal emails by elected and government employees in
order to kind of skirt the public records process. Do

(59:34):
you want to talk a little bit about when you
first started discovering that and under what circumstances, and then
I'll show a little snapshot of kind of what some
of these emails look like. But go ahead and go
ahead and tell them what you were finding.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
Well, the.

Speaker 6 (59:52):
In parsing the data, because we talked about States United before,
and I pulled out all the states that were involved
in everything, but I really didn't focus on the non
governmental because you just never know if it's somebody that's
in an organization and private citizen, what's going on when

(01:00:16):
it's you know, State United and all these volunteer organizations. Right,
So as I continue to look through the data, I
noticed a work related email by Richard's wife using her Gmail.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Okay, Now, just to point out again Stephen Richard, his
wife is an assistant United States Attorney for the District
of Arizona, and she is responsible for election related cases
that arise in the District of Arizona.

Speaker 5 (01:00:56):
So we have the US district attorney listed using her
personal email communicating with the elections department.

Speaker 6 (01:01:09):
Well, I don't know that she was communicating. I just
know that the calendar was set up using her personal email.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
And okay, so anybody, let me ask you a question.
Anybody seeing that calendar entry would see that personal email address, right, mhm,
we can see it right, right, And so it is.
Now let me ask you a question, why would you
Why would you put a personal email address instead of

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your Department of Justice email address.

Speaker 6 (01:01:47):
That's a really good question because the meeting doesn't apply,
doesn't appear to apply to anything that is acuting a
case some kind of election crime. But it has to
want to bring it up.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
Huh, No, we're this is a surprise we're saving for
our viewers later.

Speaker 6 (01:02:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
Yeah, this is going to be a I think we
talked about a couple of weeks down the road, but
we got We've got something we're going to talk about
that's very interesting. But I think right now we just
want to focus on the fact that these government officials
are using personal email addresses, and anybody there working with

(01:02:42):
in this calendar or this training then has access to
their personal email. Right do we have do we have
any other important people that are.

Speaker 6 (01:02:54):
Oh? Yeah, I think the people in Colorado would be
interested to know that Jenna grows while just doing democracy
work with her personal Gmail account. So yeah, and that's
that's with the States United group that they have in

(01:03:18):
her Secretary of State capacity. Well, there's a guy by
the name of Neil Kelly. Now, the funny thing about
that one is it appears to be his well, it

(01:03:40):
is his wife. I found her on deed to their house,
So it is his wife's Gmail account that is operating
with States United. Now, the interesting thing about Neil Kelly
is that he's California's registrar from two thousand and five

(01:04:06):
to twenty twenty two. Now, my guess is a registrar
in California is like a richer or a fontes, you know,
secretary of state or a recorder in California.

Speaker 5 (01:04:17):
So he was the equivalent of a county recorder.

Speaker 6 (01:04:22):
Okay. So he's that in California during this time frame,
and he's now with what's it called Safe and Secure Elections.
He's the chair emeritus emeritus, so how you pronounce it

(01:04:42):
emeritus okay and emeridith. Yeah, he's he's now with them.
But I want to read you a few interests.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
It's a non governmental organization, is it?

Speaker 14 (01:04:56):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:04:57):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 4 (01:04:58):
But what you're saying, Kimberly is he was using his
wife's email address to communicate regarding elections while he was
a California registrar elected representative.

Speaker 6 (01:05:17):
Yes, and so was Jenna Griswold in the same States
United Uh. And they called it by monthly meetings, So
it's not like something that only happened once they were
they were having regular meetings. This is the norm, Isisen group.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
These are these are meetings being held by States United
a very vocal and anti Trump, anti mega organization. Right.
Their goal is to send every member of MEGA to
a prison, would you? Would you? That's acessah And apart

(01:06:02):
of me, you're deeply involved with Stephen Richard in our elections,
right and all of these other people, including Stephen Richard's
US attorney wife.

Speaker 6 (01:06:17):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:06:18):
Yes, So now, Kenny, you've submitted a public records request
for We the People requesting correspondents by Lyndy Short from
her personal email. Is that correct? You want to talk
a little bit about that which email Lindsay Short's personal emails?

(01:06:40):
You you submitted a public records request for We the
People to the United States Attorney District Attorney's office requesting.

Speaker 5 (01:06:51):
That those personal.

Speaker 4 (01:06:53):
Emails become public because she has used a personal email
to conduct business in her official capacity.

Speaker 5 (01:07:02):
Is that correct?

Speaker 6 (01:07:04):
Oh? Yeah, I did. And their response was that they
were it had to be a an exception a. It
was assigned to the complex track. And my guess is, yeah,

(01:07:25):
my guess is that there's probably a lot of fluttering
going on over there and Wes Jean, because of what
she was doing.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
We want to know who she was emailing, what she
was emailing them about, and we want we want to know,
right and so you.

Speaker 4 (01:07:48):
Know, so do you want to go ahead and show
that response. Kimberly, do you want me to put that
up on the board here? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:07:56):
Yeah, okay, So Steve can can you put up number
eleven from Kimberly and.

Speaker 4 (01:08:01):
Kimberly Once they gets set up and we get your
audio feed going, why don't you talk a little bit
about the PRR and the response you received. Just give
this a second to go up. Okay, So it looks
like you sent this to the United States Attorney's Office

(01:08:23):
for the District of Arizona. Do you want to talk
about this, Kimberly and what was kind of key in
this request?

Speaker 6 (01:08:31):
Yeah. I gave them all her personal email addresses and
asked for all communications between her and Steven Richer, not
only from her work address, but from her those private
email addresses, because and I told them what she was

(01:08:52):
doing with that private email address, and I asked for
an expedited response. So, just to go over their response,
I first want to say the it's actually a FOYA,
not a p r R. But the the FOYA person

(01:09:14):
that responded to me was very gracious, very nice, not
at all like County has become a little short with me.
But yeah, but they're very very gracious and very kind.

(01:09:34):
But as you can see, as I highlighted that, because
I told them why I wanted the information and why
I wanted it expedited, and they said, well, this is
unusual circumstances and circumstances because it is, and and they

(01:09:57):
said that they were going to assign it to the
conflict track. And they say, because it's they may have
to look at different offices and areas, and that, my
guess is it's canned wording for Oh my god, we're
going to have to figure out what happened right I

(01:10:19):
left this.

Speaker 4 (01:10:20):
It potentially evolves volumes records and requires consultation with another
agency with a substantial interest in the subject matter, and
therefore falls within unusual circumstances.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
And we call this the oh shit, right, that's shitty mail.

Speaker 6 (01:10:44):
Yeah, I think so. And actually I thought, okay, I
know that Richer is not some deep state spy or something,
because he would have never let this be in his calendar.
It's the possibility of it even being pr RT or
any of that. I don't think he thought anybody would

(01:11:06):
ever ask for it.

Speaker 4 (01:11:08):
Well, and nobody's accused Stephen Richer of being incredibly bright.
We can call him a lot of things, but bright
is not necessarily.

Speaker 6 (01:11:19):
Opportunist. I guess I don't know, that's what I would think.
But the interesting thing about this is when you do
a PRR or a foyer, having expedited return isn't as
usually though some No, you know, it's it doesn't meet

(01:11:41):
any of the criteria or whatever. And in fact, I
met all three. They have three criteria in order it
has to meet one of you. I met all three
and I said, this is why. It means this and
this and this and anybody that wants to do a foyer,
you just go on their site and they tell you
exactly how to do it, and if you want to
expedite it, it has to be they have everything spelled out

(01:12:04):
for you. So anyway, they said, yep, you get expedited.
So we'll see what expedited really is. So we'll wait
and see what that comes, that trove of information comes.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
But I mean the problem with them using personal Gmail
account is you know, do you mind if I intervene
and give a little explanation real quick?

Speaker 6 (01:12:31):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
No, no, Steve, can we have the whiteboard?

Speaker 6 (01:12:42):
Oh a traveling mic? Now you guys are getting all
high tech?

Speaker 4 (01:12:48):
Yeah, they're testing audio right now.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
Nah cool, all right, so real quick, little educational video
right Under the United States Code, that's what US means.
US Code. We have forty four USC. Section thirty one
oh one at SEC, and that means all the statutes

(01:13:16):
that follows, right, this is this is the requirement that
they maintain public records. Right, that the federal government employees
maintain records of their public activities. The State of Arizona
thirty nine Arizona Revised Statute, Section one oh one at SEC.

(01:13:39):
That means that Arizona government officials are obligated to maintain
all of their records. Right. Let's say you have a
government server, doesn't matter if your state or federal, and
that's where your email lies, right, and so you send

(01:13:59):
an e email to somebody. Basically what happens that server
catches that and it automatically saves it. If you are
over here on Gmail a private email server, it never
gets captured by this system. It doesn't get captured by

(01:14:20):
this system. This person can hit delete empty trash and
it's out of their system. And that's part of the problem, folks.
When our government agents, not only that, right, but the
US Attorney for the District of Arizona is the highest

(01:14:44):
ranking law enforcement agent in the state of Arizona, at
least under miderable right. And so when these people are
not doing business through their go government email and there's
no accountability is there? So?

Speaker 4 (01:15:05):
So, Brian, isn't there some kind of provision or case
law that states that if you're an elected official or
a government agent, such as in this case, when you're
a US attorney using your personal email, then subjects that
personal email to an inspection.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
And that's why the record, that's why, that's why we
send a preservation of records letter to the acting US
Attorney for the district.

Speaker 4 (01:15:37):
There's ut So, Steve, can you put that up please,
so Brian can explain what this means.

Speaker 5 (01:15:44):
It's going to be number twelve, all.

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
Right, And so basically this is con This is.

Speaker 15 (01:15:58):
A letter, a letter of preservation, a letter of preservation
that we drafted and sent to the United the acting
United States Attorney for the District of Arizona.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
Because Trump hasn't replaced the former US attorney, he's only
got an acting at the place right now. And simply
what we have asked him is referring to Arizona law
forty four USC. Section thirty one oh one, that he
preserved all of Miss Short's Gmail emails so that they

(01:16:39):
can be discovered pursuant to the Freedom of Information Act,
which is five USC. Section five fifty two. And so
we are hoping that the acting US Attorney will actually
work with Miss Short to go back in time and
get all of her Gmail so that you know, under

(01:17:03):
the federal law freedom of information, that the government can
withhold records if an exception of plot right, maybe there's
an exception, maybe most of her emails are personal. I, honey,
do you want to have lunch? Something along those lines,
that it'd be a personal email, and that we don't

(01:17:24):
want right but to apply, Kurt Blanche the exception to
all emails would be improper because I doubt they all
deal with You want to have luck that they don't
all deal with personal information. And so we want the
opportunity to litigate those issues in court so that we

(01:17:47):
can get access to Miss shorts emailing.

Speaker 5 (01:17:51):
And what would something like that typically look like?

Speaker 4 (01:17:53):
Would you think would they appoint like a special counsel
to sit down and go through her emails and cipher them?
Would they use keyword searches. What do you anticipate this
is going to look like, because I imagine this is
why Kimberly received the oh shit letter, because they're probably

(01:18:14):
trying to figure this out as they go, right, Well.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
What they do in Arizona. Here's what they do in
the state of Arizona under Arizona law. The Arizona Supreme
Court has stated it would be proper for the judge
in the trial matter to review the emails and to
make a determination with respect to each email. Right and

(01:18:38):
so you know, we have we have a records case
right now against Rachel Mitchell for all of their communications
with the Center for Internet Security. Right. Center for Your
Internet Security has access to direct access to the you know,
Supreme Court in the Arizona Judiciary, and we now know

(01:18:58):
that they have direct access to America Conty Attorney's office.
So we want to know what they're talking about with
America County Attorneys off. And so the Supreme Court in
case law, has said it would be proper for the
judge to review the emails and make an individual in
termination when the government deems an.

Speaker 4 (01:19:18):
Accept so that the letter that was sent is essentially
putting the department on notice yes to let miss short know,
don't delete your emails. You need to preserve everything until
this can be worked out.

Speaker 5 (01:19:33):
Either through the department or through the courts or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
It's well, you know, and the problem is this, Like
I said, you send your email, you get your response,
you hit delete, you hit empty tracks no longer on
your system. Right. I was talking to somebody in the
know earlier today before the show about Gmail, and they
told me, well, they probably exist somewhere on Gmail serve

(01:20:00):
or even though you delete them in empty your trash,
because Gmail has absolutely no incentive to get rid of
your personal email. Right right now, I was doing a
state bar clee and they were talking up SISA, but
you know, at the same time they were talking down
Google saying, oh yeah, it will mind the hell out

(01:20:20):
of your data. And so my guess is all of
her gmails, whether on her system or not.

Speaker 4 (01:20:29):
So this is going to be quite interesting, right, Kimberly.
And you've you've got some other interesting things that you've
come across or or found in regards to States United
and these public records. Is there anything else you want
to share before we call it a night.

Speaker 6 (01:20:49):
Yeah, that States United meeting, there was one hundred and
sixty eight people that have their that are using a
non governmental email address. You have a few of them.
Do you have a copy of that. We do, but

(01:21:12):
we did not make a slide out of it because
we didn't get it redacted in time. So so the
there are some there. There are a couple private organizations
or like not private but nonprofits or you know, democracy
groups extensions on there, and I haven't had time to

(01:21:37):
look at every single one of those, but I have
found quite a few government employees on there, and I
want to just double check on one hundred percent sure
that they are who I think they are before I
put out any word on it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
Now, there's an email that I'm really really concerned about,
and I talked I sort of alluded to earlier with
a significant conflict of interest, right, and it ends in
Katie Hoobbes dot org. Is that correct?

Speaker 6 (01:22:16):
Yes? Yes, yeah, I was gonna say, Katie Hoobbes dot org.
Is she's also one that's on that state's United email
right now?

Speaker 4 (01:22:29):
Was she an elected representative at the time of.

Speaker 6 (01:22:32):
This, Yes, she was Secretary of State.

Speaker 5 (01:22:37):
Secretary of State.

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
Here this is let's let's set up the scenario. Katie Hobbes,
Secretary of State running the statewide election epparatus. Right, we
know now people on her Kadihobbes dot org staff are
working with Stephen Richer and State United at the Americopa

(01:23:04):
county level. Correct, yes, okay, hey, Steve, can we pull
up that website Katiehobbs dot Org Katie Hobbes Governor Kadie
Hobbright donate donate Is this okay? Is this her governor page?

(01:23:28):
Because is she asking people to donate to cover all
those lost funds?

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:23:33):
These are for her campaign, Brian, So this is her
campaign page?

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
Yes, scroll down to the bottom. All right, paid for
by elect kad Hobb, authorized by Katie Hobb. Okay, so,
Katie Hobbes, what you're telling us, Kim is people on

(01:23:58):
the KD. Hobbs campaign are actually working in conjunction with
Stephen Richer, States United and these other anti Trump, anti
Kerry Lake, anti MAGA election organizations. Is that correct?

Speaker 6 (01:24:20):
Well? I was assuming it was just Katie Hobbs because
it says Katie Hobbes on it, But you're right, who
knows who's behind that email address? And it was eleven
one is the date of the email?

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
Yeah, So this is this is all the run up
to the twenty twenty two election, isn't it. They're doing
all of these meetings. So did you find any other
campaigns that were invited within these States United Meetings with
Steven Richard's elections?

Speaker 6 (01:25:02):
I can't, well, you know, I can't think of anything
right now, but I know that you know who's who.
Let me look and see what his name is.

Speaker 5 (01:25:13):
So it does.

Speaker 4 (01:25:15):
Katie Hobbs was on those emails in her official capacity
as secretary of State, representing her campaign.

Speaker 6 (01:25:27):
Well, I was assuming it was to avoid the secretary
of state capture and that's why she was using her
campaign email. But you have to remember, this state's United
Meeting was all elected officials. It was all secretary of states.
A couple of states had their dojs on there.

Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
And there was the name one single conservative elected official.
I okay, we're talking about states like California. We're talking
about state slab Stephen Richard Colorado. Okay, I said, conservative.

Speaker 6 (01:26:07):
Bill Gates is on their two I said conservative, There
isn't any. There isn't any. They were all left wing.

Speaker 1 (01:26:17):
Yeah, so this is a this is a consortium of
anti Trump, anti Maga left wing people running the twenty
twenty two election in conjunction with Katie Hobbs's campaign.

Speaker 6 (01:26:31):
Mm hmm, all right, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:26:33):
I mean if this doesn't bother anybody, does this bother
you tremendously? Hey, Steve, does this bother you? Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:26:47):
It's very concerning. All else we got, you know, what,
one thing I wanted to mention about one of the
emails that Neil Neil Kelly guy uh was at like
five meetings and one of them was labeled Election Day
Disruption Project. I'm not exactly sure what that was about.

(01:27:14):
Election Day Disruption project, not printer technician. I don't know, no,
no disruption.

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
Have we done to follow up find out what the
disruption is?

Speaker 6 (01:27:33):
Uh No. As a matter of fact, this is breaking
news because I've just found it right before because error
I was. I was pulling out. Yeah, I was pulling
all the emails out.

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
It sounds like election total disruption.

Speaker 6 (01:27:52):
I never know it was for it was for the
twenty twenty four election because it was June twenty twenty four.

Speaker 4 (01:27:58):
Okay, two, all right, Look, here's what we've recognized through
all of this is the more the public rises up
and ask questions and tries to hold the government accountable,
the more the government is going to try and find
ways to not be held accountable. So we're looking at

(01:28:20):
cases where they're now under what's supposedly a more conservative
board of supervisors, a more conservative county recorder. We're finding
more and more public records being denied, things that we
have historically got access even under Stephen Richer. And we're
finding that they're now trying to invoice us and charge

(01:28:43):
us incredible amounts of money to access records. And we're
also finding that they're using personal emails and other means
by which the community kate in order to prevent the
public from being able to inspect those records. But we're

(01:29:06):
onto them, right Kimberley, and we're going to keep working
on breaking through those those obstacles they're putting in our
way and getting those records. Do you want to talk
any more about some of the things that you're looking
into or have looked into, or any of the documents
you submitted earlier before we wrap it up.

Speaker 6 (01:29:28):
Well, they I'd try to be very respectful of their time,
you know, and I could put individual and this is
what I did for easy for them to track, easy
for us to track. I put the same exact pr
in so they could do a different pr number for
the each person that I wanted communications with. But I

(01:29:52):
wanted them with the same people because they were all
on this, you know, they're in and on it together.
And when they responded, they all lumped it together and
then said this is too expensive, it's too much work.
And I'm like, it's so easy to just hit copy
over here, find all them, and put it on a

(01:30:14):
disk and send it to her, you know, electronically. I
don't even they send everything electronically, so it should be
easy for them. And they're really dragging their feet that
they do not want me to have this stuff. And
when I asked for communications for Richard's private email, they're saying, oh,

(01:30:35):
you got to contact him for that. And I know
he's done. He was using it for government purposes. I
know that for a fact. So the fact that they
don't they want me to contact him for it, I
doubt Richard's gonna say, oh, sure, Kimberly, here's all my email.

(01:30:57):
He's not gonna do it. So that's another.

Speaker 1 (01:31:05):
Right. This is why we need President Donald Trump to
focus on appointing a US attorney for the district of
Arizona that cannot only look at the US Attorney's office
and what's been happening and its coordination with local government

(01:31:25):
agents in our elections, but be able to get some
of these Gmail that people have been using, right because
you know, as as Chris and I were discussing before
the show, Gmail has absolutely no incentive to actually delete
those gmails from their server unless unless they they implicate

(01:31:49):
Gmail in a crime. Why would they get rid of them?
Because they could mine them. Hell, they could use them
against them.

Speaker 4 (01:31:57):
Well, I mean they already do in some use it
to figure out algorithms on what ads to provide you
and all those different things. I mean, they're geo fencing
all that data. So I agree. I mean data harvesting
is a big industry. So I can't imagine those emails
are gone. Well, thank you for all your hard work, Kimberly,

(01:32:21):
and we really appreciate you looking into this. And this
is pretty to me, a pretty big deal and it's
leading us down a path to I think, expose some
pretty big plays on corruption. And so we look forward
to having you back in a couple of weeks to
really focus in on what the findings are and where

(01:32:42):
we're at with some of these public records that we're fighting.

Speaker 5 (01:32:45):
So thank you for all your hard work.

Speaker 4 (01:32:47):
We love having you be a part of the team,
and I'd be with you tonight.

Speaker 6 (01:32:54):
All right, great, thanks for having me on.

Speaker 5 (01:32:56):
All right, So what are your thoughts? Final thoughts from you, Brian?

Speaker 1 (01:33:05):
Oh God, I don't know if I have any final thoughts.
I'm a lawyer, he asked me. My final thoughts, I
might just set up here and give you a dissertation
for a few hours, but you know, I'll try to
avoid doing that. But my final thoughts are this, Right,
if our government actor are intentionally using personal private email, right,

(01:33:32):
and it doesn't matter what part of you are. Right,
Hillary Clinton did it. She had a server in her
basement and then they deleted everything, and nobody knows what
was there. Right, Well, what do you think was there?
Was she violating the law? My guess is one hundred
percent yes, she was violating the law, and she deleted.

(01:33:54):
The mere fact that she had a server in her
basement was a violation of federal law. Right, and so
she's conducting secure transactions from this unsecure server in violation
of law. But the Republicans did the same thing under
President George Bush junior. Right, they ran all of their

(01:34:17):
emails through the rnc's SERF, and somebody wanted to look
at those emails, so the RNC hit the delete button.
Boom gone right, and nobody knows what the communications were.
And so this is the problem. When our government officials
communicate via mechanisms not designed to intentionally avoid a capture

(01:34:43):
of those communications, then it's hiding from the American public
what our government officials are doing, and that should be
a criminal act.

Speaker 5 (01:34:53):
So well, even meeting all these obstacles, we are still
working as a team to bring forward honesty and transparency
in our government and our elections.

Speaker 4 (01:35:04):
So we're going to keep fighting through this. I do
not want to become South Carolina. We dealt with some teams,
some grossroot teams and other states and they're being priced
out of public records. They don't have provisions like we
do here in Arizona, and they've made public records so
unaffordable that the public can't afford to inspect records. So

(01:35:28):
we have to really put a focus and an emphasis
on public records laws and making sure that the business
that our government conducts is open and transparent and publicly
available to the people. And as Brian said, the best
thing you can do is put in public records requests.

(01:35:48):
Learn how to submit a FOIA to a federal agency,
learn how to put in a public records request into
your local government. Because if we don't keep the pressure
on our elected officials and those that we hire to
run our government, we will always face these forms of

(01:36:09):
black box operating and this this dark cloud around our government.
So help bring transparency to light and reach out to
us if you need anything, and thank you for joining us,
and we will see you next week where we're going
to talk about the executive.

Speaker 1 (01:36:28):
Order and Doge.

Speaker 5 (01:36:29):
Yeah, yes, all right, have a have a blessed Monday.

Speaker 1 (01:36:34):
Take care the dose your Doggiejigi.

Speaker 16 (01:36:45):
B the under the game after the shut

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