In the Presence of Shadows: Paranormal Truths with Austin Lawrence

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Speaker 1 (00:40):
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Speaker 2 (02:13):
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All the new stuff.

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Speaker 5 (04:32):
Case.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
I point the pictures and I showed us I'm doing
a little bit of an analysis on those, and they're
in They're deep diving into them a little bit because
there's some very interesting things that we've found in those
photos using AI. I did not give AI any indication

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for those photos. Had so go check out what that
conversation was about. And like I'm also, before I get
any further tonight, I want to talk for a minute
about the low and blog. My low cup here that
keeps me hydrate all during the show, and where did

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this come from? Anybody in chat? I want to take
a guess.

Speaker 5 (05:22):
I'm not that.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Guys, I am updown? Which way am I a testing it?
I have no idea which way I'm going? Is that better? Okay?

Speaker 4 (06:03):
What do you see?

Speaker 2 (06:05):
If I can switch this out right quick? H I'm
not feeling tonight. It's really going to be as frustrating
as it can be. You know, while I'm doing this,
I'm not gonna.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
Be getting Austin give me a second hair.

Speaker 5 (06:31):
Hey up.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
And I'm apparently I'm having green issues with the mic,
so I'm trying to figure out how to adjust that.

Speaker 5 (06:45):
Always something. Man, gotta love it. It's live. That's what happens.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
You know. I'm not going to get into that right
now because I'm gonna try to stay positive. Where it
is that setting at with the mic taken.

Speaker 5 (07:01):
Now, I'm wondering if.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
Kay sense to space?

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Okay, it's a bass better.

Speaker 5 (07:24):
Negative because I know.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
We'll divorce here. I have it pretty much shamless down
to nothing on bass.

Speaker 5 (07:40):
Yeah, it's it's I don't I don't think it's a
base issue. Do you have it set to the correct input?
Do you know, like go into your settings here and
go over to your audio and see what your mind
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Speaker 2 (08:14):
Is this supposed to be on the mind itself?

Speaker 4 (08:23):
Okay, so that's better.

Speaker 5 (08:24):
There, it is there it is.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
Thank you you sound beautiful lovely? Yay, Okay, So Mystic
Mountain creation was the answer to where the cup came from?
Is my favorite cup to use now? I literally keep
it with me all during the show to keep hydrating.

Speaker 5 (08:50):
So, Austin, what's up?

Speaker 4 (08:56):
Welcome to my crap show tonight that I call Magical
Journey dot com. The Magical Journey podcast is a mess tonight.
We're gonna be okay, though, Hey, tell us a little
bit about where we can find you and what you're
what you're up to, because I don't know if people
are aware yet.

Speaker 5 (09:18):
Uh So you can find me on Facebook or YouTube
if you look up the Dead chronicles and uh just
out there. Uh do want some investigating and uh making
some making some content? Yeah, so.

Speaker 4 (09:39):
So we can find last night's actually the last two
episodes on YouTube correct correct awesome And actually there is
the link for that right there. I'm not sure. Yeah,

(10:01):
I'm not sure why that's so big tonight either. But
like for some reason everything has reset recently. Yeah, like
the settings on here is reset. My Patreon I don't
even want to talk about what's going on with it
right now. And then like some other things across the

(10:24):
board have reset. So I don't know why. Yeah, I
don't know what's up.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
With that.

Speaker 4 (10:30):
But I'm telling you, you know what, The Dead Chronicle
is a good place to subscribe to, So thank you
for doing that. Last night's episode I thought was very
It was last.

Speaker 5 (10:51):
Night, right, Yeah, yeah, last night.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
The week is kind of like all flown by because
I had to come back home from from East Tennessee.
That episode was very well done and very good, and
there was some surprises in there that kind of made me.

Speaker 5 (11:11):
Go, that's good. That's what I want. I want a
little bit of.

Speaker 4 (11:16):
Oh, definitely, definitely uh And I feel like this this
pilot episode is really just kind of a teaser to
what is coming up. As a matter of fact, I
know it is like this, This pilot episode is good,
but you guys, we're gonna have to wait until the

(11:41):
I guess would be the official first season.

Speaker 5 (11:44):
Yeah, YEP is actually.

Speaker 4 (11:47):
Up and running because it is going to be unbelievable, unbelievable.

Speaker 5 (11:56):
It's gonna be good, man, it's gonna be good. I
got some amazing locations lined up. It's always it's gonna
be a very interesting eleven twelve episodes.

Speaker 4 (12:07):
It definitely is. I'm looking forward to it. What are
the things that I find very interesting about the the
concept of ghost hunting as people like to call it.

(12:27):
I'm really not into that term very much. We're not
out hunting for ghost right, you know, And that terminology
is probably the easiest understood by by the slowest of latemen.
But there's a lot more to it than just what

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people see. And I think that's one of the things
that I feel like for those of us who understand
and are learning the mechanisms, you know, the nuts and
bolts behind things, it's kind of it's kind of very misunderstood,

(13:20):
is the best way to put it, and the nicest
way to put it.

Speaker 5 (13:25):
Yeah, I mean I think you really have uh kind
of what do you want to call it? Like a
a subgenre. Ghost hoading is like a subgenre. You have
your ghost hunters, you have your paranormal investigators. Your ghost
hunters are kind of more your thrill seekert types, which
there's nothing wrong with that to go these places and

(13:50):
you know, they're just there for the thrills really, and
then you have the paranormal investigator side, where people like me,
I don't even I wouldn't even say suxist, do they
I don't know, But you know, it's like even going
back to the last episode where one of the owners
was talking about how he captured himself on a recorder

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fifteen years after, you know, fifteen years later in a
location that he worked at and I had heard him
there when I was there, and he was not there.
So you know, that's just one of those things that
really make you go. So now we're capturing EVPs of

(14:35):
the living. So who really knows what's going on out there?
I mean, we never will, but there's a lot, There's
not just one thing, right.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
Well, and I think a lot of people still believe
that time is linear, right, really sure how to address
that either, because to be to be honest with you,
I'm amazed that in the time period that we're living
in that there are still people that believe time is linear.

(15:17):
We have enough of evidence to back up the fact
that it is not linear, and yet we're still there.

Speaker 5 (15:28):
Right, Yeah, I mean, you're right, very well. Maybe one
of those things, which could also explain things like doppelgangers
and all that crap, you know, could explain aliens. Maybe
they're not from another planet, Maybe it's just us. You know,

(15:50):
who really knows. I know I was talking to a
buddy of mine before we went on this last investigation,
and there's this place in Tennessee, and I forget exactly
where it's at, but I think you hit on it
when we were talking about it. But it's this place

(16:10):
where they're kind of doing kind of what cern does.
No one's entirely sure what's going on there, but they're
you know, people think that they're opening portals and all
this stuff whatever. But a long time ago, like one
hundred years back, there was a man who wandered into
the forest, got lost, came back out, and he spoke

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about this massive building. He explained it where it's going
to go, where it's going to be in everything, and
that's what they ended up, you know, one hundred years later,
building this government building where they're doing all this weird stuff.
And people believe that they had opened up a portal.
But because since time isn't necessarily linear, like you were saying,

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this man one hundred years before this building was built,
he saw through this portal, and he's saw this building
as it is current day, all the way back in
the past.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
So I mean, who's to say, Well, then, even like
many many, many years ago, we were talking nineteen thirties
or so, a man named Godfrey Ray King literally wrote

(17:29):
volumes of information based on his experiences of time travel,
if you would. It was called the im Discourses. And
while there's a lot of people that debate whether or
not he actually had those experiences, I challenge people to

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go back and read the material at least just to
see because we're talking about a man who lived in
nineteen thirty and some of the technologies, some of the
things that he was describing from seeing was not things

(18:18):
that they had at that point, right, And it was even.

Speaker 5 (18:23):
Though the.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
Books themselves may appear to be a work of fiction
to some people, is very questionable to me as to how, like,
I don't even think anybody doing recreational stuff would be
able to come up with some of the stuff that
he came up with in this book. So where did

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he get the information? Where did he get the inspiration
for the story if it is a story, Because there's
a lot of things that he described very intricurrently. There
were things the way that he went about giving the
visual of what he was seeing in words was extremely

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defined for somebody who was just like coming up with
his stuff out the top of his head. And you've
got to think about it nineteen thirty. They didn't even
have like science fiction movies out and so forth at
that time, So you can't say that you saw it
in a movie, or you know that he may have

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read it, you know, or whatever in this place of
that place, because they're just that time people were very
limited to their understanding of how things would be working
the way they do and the way you describe them.
That's why I'm saying, it's very hard for me to
believe that this guy just like pulled this crap out

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of the air.

Speaker 5 (19:58):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's really hard telling. I don't know.
I don't think we'll ever understand, nor will we ever
truly know. But the more that you get into the
world or the par normal, the moral lost you get,

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right like easily, the more lost you get, you know,
like we just went from ghost to does time exist
in two seconds? Like you know, it's it's crazy, it is.

Speaker 4 (20:41):
And you know, this is one of the reasons why
I try to keep a very open mind about things,
even though you know, I do have I do follow
with theology. I do have a belief in you know,
in God, and you know, I mean, there are those
people would be like, well, but the Bible says this,

(21:03):
and the Bible says that, do we really know? I mean,
have you studied the Bible tharly enough in its correct
context to be able to make the callumn what it
actually says, because there are words in there that do
not translate so great into correct you white man language.

Speaker 5 (21:29):
Yeah, no, absolutely, It's like now we know that he
wasn't born in a manger, you know, even stuff like that.
It was more like a hotel type of rundown hotel,
stuff like that. Because of how, like you said, how
words translate, they don't exactly. You're going from a very
limited language to English being the hardest language to learn,

(21:55):
a very complex and ridiculous language that makes no sense
on its own, right. So it's it's you know, it's
it's interesting because so one of the things that blew
my mind, this would have been last year and I'm

(22:15):
escaping on the name. I can't think of it right now,
but there was a neurosci scientist out of Essex and
he came out and he was talking about how we
actually all live in a controlled hallucination and how he

(22:37):
kind of explained it is, if like you, if you
were to take your finger and touch your nose a
couple of times, you feel it on your fingertip and
at you're on your nose at the exact same time.
And he said, we know that that is one hundred
percent impossible because number one, it takes a while for
your brain to register that it's being touched. And number two,

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it's gonna take a lot longer for your finger and
all the receptors to travel to your brain than it
would from your nose to your brain. So we should
at very least feel a very slight delay. And so
what he said is that our brain is kind of
like AI in the sense where it learns things and

(23:22):
then it just applies those things across the board. So
since it knows, hey, you're touching your fingertip to your nose,
you should feel this and this, so you feel in
both the exact same time, which is biologically impossible. So
one of the things that he said is how many
things are around us? How many things exist that we

(23:45):
can't see, hear, or touch because we haven't we don't
know that they exist yet, right because we are living
in this control of hallucination and we're just and he
also said, you know your eyes you blank, yet you
don't see that. Your brain fills in the gaps there.

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And when you move your eyes from left right, you
should see gaps in there, but we don't. It's because
your brain creates those frames, so to speak. So there's
so much that could be around us that we don't
see because we don't know to see them. And that's

(24:32):
why I'm starting to wonder is that the chicken or
the egg? Because when you go back and you talk
to paranormal investigators, ninety nine percent of them said, oh, yeah,
when I was a kid, I had this happen. So
I always wonder back when we had more of this

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because back when you're a kid, your brain's still trying
to learn, you know, what things are, you know, don't
touch stove is hot, like those kinds of things. So
your brain's still trying to learn. So is it possible
that these kids are able to see things that we
can't simply because their brain isn't hallucinating everything yet. And

(25:19):
since they saw these as children, had these experiences of children,
now that their paranormal investigators, their brain now knows, hey,
these things exist. But it's also why I love to
investigate in total darkness, no flashlights, know nothing because the
way I look at it is my brain knows they're

(25:42):
damn well, should not be anything the end of this
hallway at three am in the pitch black. So try
creating something for that, right If you're gonna try to
hallucinate something, then good luck.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
You know. A couple of things can't went through my
mind while you were talking, like there are times when
things happen that are delayed for me. For instance, I
remember getting stung by be a couple of times, and

(26:18):
I actually felt to be on my ear that I
did not feel the sting right away, even though I
knew there was something that had happened. It's the same

(26:39):
way with other things, like I dropped something on my
foot at work one night, and right away I saw
it happen, but I did not feel it the effects
of it right away.

Speaker 5 (26:58):
Right now.

Speaker 4 (26:59):
If something is impacting, most of the time people say
that that, like you know, they stamp their toe, they
get immediate reaction, but occasionally that doesn't necessarily happen.

Speaker 5 (27:15):
Mm hm.

Speaker 4 (27:16):
So I think there may be a little truth in
that thing about delayed reaction there.

Speaker 5 (27:20):
For sure.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
Personally, I've experienced that I can say that for me personally,
I can I have that data to to kind of say, okay,
that works.

Speaker 5 (27:32):
Let's look. I guarantee we've all at one point in
time had like a paper cut or something like that,
and we did realize it, and then Cole minute later
will look down and we seuper bleeding and then you
look at it and you start feeling pain in your finger.
Mm hmm, Like that's that's not uncommon.

Speaker 4 (27:50):
I stuck a knife in my hand one morning, slicing
a bagel of all.

Speaker 5 (27:54):
Things, And did you just put the the knife through
the hole?

Speaker 2 (28:03):
No?

Speaker 5 (28:03):
I was.

Speaker 4 (28:04):
So it was four o'clock in the morning. I was
rushing to try to get ready to go catch my
bus because I was, hey, guys, I have all kinds
of people dropping in now. I was trying to get
ready for work, and so I was cutting a bagel
to carry with me to work that day for lunch.

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And I had a bagel slicer, and apparently my hands
slipped or whatever at the same time that I was
getting ready to run the knife through it, and I
stuck the knife into my hand. I didn't even realize,
like I thought, it just like kind of like just
poked me a little bit. But then when I pulled

(28:48):
the knife back, blood just started gushing out. And I
was like, why did blood not start gushing out right away?
You know, why did it wait for the knife to
come out? But you know, and then of course I
didn't feel anything right away either, until I realized that

(29:08):
I was bleeding. And then I was like, owl, you know,
I'm wrapping my hand up. I'm walking through the through
the the the apartment to wipe my girlfriend up to
tell her I'd cut my hand, and she's like, oh
my god, don't bleed on my comforter. I'm thinking to myself,

(29:29):
I'm bleeding out and you're worried about your comforter. B Hey,
you know that's right, right, But I was just like,
that whole scenario was so weird to me.

Speaker 5 (29:43):
Yeah, you know, yeah, it's strange, but it makes a
lot of sense when you talk about, you know, from
the evolutionary standpoint, to be able to for the brain
to create this evolutionary trait was start hallucinating things in
the sense that you know, you don't want to put

(30:04):
your hand in the fire for five seconds before your
body knows, hey, this is hot, You're gonna do a
little bit of damage, you know, those kinds of things.
So it makes sense that the brain would develop a
trait to keep you alive because it wants to be alive.
And then again, we don't have free will anyways, because

(30:26):
our brain. Yeah, that's a whole nother rabbit hole. But
that's neither here.

Speaker 4 (30:33):
Nor there, right, that's a theological debate for another season,
right right, right, yeah, uh, when you when you get
into the whole thing though about the concept of whether
are we living in you know, a simulation and were

(30:57):
living in you know, some kind of weird uh matrix something.
Everybody's a lot of There's all these different theories that
people have. Now that's very interesting, and there's a lot
of stuff to back them up. I don't necessarily believe

(31:18):
a lot of the things that other people believe, uh,
but I do have a concept of why things are
the way they are. I have some understanding for me
personally as to why I feel like things are the
way they are. But in reality, when we use terms

(31:44):
like reality m hm, yeah, we use ideas like what
is reality?

Speaker 5 (31:54):
Right?

Speaker 4 (31:55):
What is truth? What are these things?

Speaker 5 (31:58):
Is it?

Speaker 4 (32:00):
Even though there are some things that are obviously very
true in most people's reality. Electric electric electricity and water
don't mix it any way's reality. We know this, so
that's probably a truth. If you stick something in fire,

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it's going to burn. That tends to be everybody's reality.
So we kind of believe that this is this is
a truth. If you eat, you know you're going to
continue to live. There are some things that happen as
a result of eating. They can fuel you, you can

(32:44):
gain weight from it. There's a lot of things that
happen to people when they experience eating, and of course
the evacuation process is usually the same for most people.
So we have to assume that there are some truth
out there that we all report being exact being being

(33:09):
universal truths.

Speaker 5 (33:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (33:15):
However, when it comes to the to the paranormal and
other things in general, like there's a lot of things
outside of the paranormal that I tell people all the time.
We have to keep an open mind about them. We
have to to you know, it's not enough to prove
their existence. M but we need to go past proving

(33:39):
the existence and finding out exactly the the what, where, why,
how of things, because just proving that exists it doesn't
really it doesn't say a lot for us. I mean, okay,
so you know it's there, it's real, Okay, that's nice.

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Why is it there? What is this purpose? How does
it do the things that's doing exactly? How is it
manipulating stuff the way it manipulates stuff. We've seen things
that we call spirits, ghost other things manipulate things like

(34:33):
being able to hit objects and make noises, ring belts,
move objects. Wow. We've seen them be able to do
all kinds of parlor tricks where they make the cat
balls go off and the rimpods go off. We've seen
this time and time again. So we know they're capable

(34:54):
of doing this. But how do you manipulate solid objects
when you are not solid?

Speaker 5 (35:00):
Right?

Speaker 4 (35:03):
We still don't even know that much yet. We're not
even sure why they do it other than to entertain us.
But there's got to be a reason behind.

Speaker 5 (35:11):
It, exactly. Yeah, there's definitely a deeper reason than I'm bored.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
So you know, my dred dead grandma still wants to
do YouTube, so she's going to ring ring a bell
for me, right right? You know that's that's probably not it.

Speaker 5 (35:34):
Yeah, I would definitely assume not. It's, like I said,
the question is the why. Maybe that is one of
the things that they might have unfinished business. Maybe they
are lonely, maybe they're stuck. Maybe you know, who knows,
I don't know. Maybe that's like their vacation. Right, we

(35:59):
could be talk about thanks from another dimension. Maybe that's
your school field trip. Who knows. There's just so many
possibilities out there that just by saying oh, yeah, this
there's weird, weird stuff going on out there, it's called
a day. Well, no, we got to dig a little
bit deeper, or at least try to.

Speaker 4 (36:21):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's we can sit here all
day long and we can see the evidence. We can
see all the things that point to the yes. And
that's as far as most people want to go, because

(36:42):
they don't seem to understand that that. You know, there
are things that we do need to learn. If something,
I mean, I love it when somebody says, well, I
don't believe any of that because I believe in science. Well,
can you scientifically prove to me that it doesn't exist?

Speaker 5 (36:59):
Right?

Speaker 4 (37:01):
And if not, maybe you need to consider doing the
research on finding out that it doesn't exist and why
it doesn't exist? How about that?

Speaker 5 (37:12):
Yeah? Absolutely, And science has its whole own little what
is it spooky matter to distance and stuff like that
that exists within science, that's just they can't explain. We
still can't explain a whole lot of stuff. So we

(37:32):
can take scientific methods and apply it to these fields,
but that's still not disproving that these things exist, or
whatever's out there exists. We know something exists, what is it?
We have no idea, I got no clue. I couldn't

(37:53):
tell you. This past week, I've experienced things that I
never thought I would experience. There are things going on
out in the world that I did not believe. I
watched Mark channel and that was the second time I've

(38:14):
seen it, but the first time I've seen him channel
a demon. That's the thing. So even yeah, something without

(38:35):
vocal cords, right, how can something without vocal cords make
a sound exactly? I couldn't tell you.

Speaker 4 (38:49):
Yeah, that's the thing. That's that one of the many
things that blows me away about when we talk about
and the EVPs, and I'm sorry, like I've heard some

(39:09):
very convincing EVPs that I've got to tell you. The
one EVP that I've heard that blew me away, and
I mean absolutely made me stop when I heard it
was the one that Sin Trader he played my hero.

(39:34):
The freaking video that she played of the EVP from
her nephew. He literally tapped something and then he goes
in the microphone. Did you hear that loud and clear?
It wasn't one of those really typical EVPs that you

(39:56):
have to go back and listen to repeatedly to hear it.

Speaker 5 (40:00):
Yeah, yeah, No, that was absolutely insane, Absolutely insane. I've
never heard anything that freaking clear to where we all
sat there like, Sin, there's nothing there, Like, what are
you talking about? She's like no, this part my wait,
that's not a living person sitting inside the room. She's

(40:23):
like no that. We all just lose it, like what So, Yeah, dude,
it's freaking nuts. How does that happen? How does that exist?
We have no idea.

Speaker 4 (40:37):
Exactly, and we don't ask the questions. We don't even
know what questions to ask sometimes, right, one of the
most obvious questions to me is it could it be
that he was working within the realms of his connection
to her because they were very close, they relationally, they

(40:57):
were very close, they were all so extremely close Ken,
So with that, is there something about those two things.

Speaker 5 (41:11):
It's possible. But the other interesting thing you start to
get into is, for example, you know, I can go
out and investigate and all have an audio recorder, all
have two cameras, and all have my microphone on my body.
And there's been times where I've caught a loud voice
on the microphone that's on me and not on the

(41:33):
cameras of the audio recorder, or maybe all captured on
one camera but nothing else. And so it's like, how
how how does it does it get to pick and
choose what it wants to be captured on. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
We do know they can direct energy.

Speaker 5 (41:51):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
Now I'm gonna tell you guys, I've seen this more
than one time where a friend of mine who used
to have a TikTok account, would go on and he
would do like ours long lives where he would experiment

(42:13):
with different things, and he more than one time antagonized
one thing to the point where it blew up his equipment.
It blew up. It blew up a flashlight one night
on live. And when I mean blow up, I mean

(42:33):
it literally the flashlight exploded. There was pieces fly everywhere.
So why just the flashlight and not everything around. So
we know that they can direct their energy, We know
that there are things that they can do, that they

(42:54):
can manipulate things, at least some of them can manipulate
things in that way.

Speaker 5 (43:04):
Yeah, no, you're one million percent right. It seems to
be the case. Now, how and why no idea? That's uh,
that's the whole question that we'll probably not getting answer
to until we transition over to the other side and

(43:30):
might be able to figure it out and torment idiots like.

Speaker 4 (43:32):
Us, although I will say it could be very possible
that we we if we but and let me qualify this,
I've seen people who can manipulate things like make water
move and stuff like that without touching it. It's there's

(44:00):
a handful of people that at one point actually made
it a trend on TikTok. They were manipulating energy and
they would wave their hand over the water and you
would see it rippling, and then they would rave their
hand back and it would be rippling in the opposite direction.
Stuff like that. So it wasn't one of those situations

(44:23):
where the water was moving in a way that the
wind was doing it.

Speaker 5 (44:29):
It was like a.

Speaker 4 (44:30):
Specific area in the water where they were directing the
energy and moving it to make it ripple or whatever.
They are very much alive and are able to use
that manipulation of energy to be able to do that.
So we could find out from them by simply asking them.

(44:55):
But nobody is really ever given an answer to that
question that I know of, anyway, in a way that
everybody can understand it. Like I love it when somebody goes, well,
you know it's manipulating energy. It should you just go
know how to manipulate it? Can you be a little

(45:17):
more specific, boys and girls, we want to know the
nuts and bolts of it. We don't want to know
the obvious response.

Speaker 5 (45:26):
Yeah, And so I was talking to you. This is
a while back. I was talking to Brandon Alvis, and
I love them just because of how scientific they are,
so I constantly picking the brains. And he told me
that at one point they had a setup because they
work with doctor Cooler, who is the only man to

(45:51):
simultaneously get two PhDs, so insanely intelligent man, that they
have their disposal and he actually created this device that
was able to convert audio into an electromagnetic field, so

(46:12):
then they were able to hold EVP sessions and send
out their questions not in sound but in electricmagnetic field,
and he said that they got some of the most
insane responses back by pushing out, you know, these questions

(46:33):
and forms of energy as opposed to like I was
talking right now. And that's something that I've been kind
of trying to find a way to tool with it
myself on a poor budget. But uh, you know, I
don't quite have the back that they had to be
able to do what they do. But you know, it's

(46:54):
just kind of goes with what you're saying, you know,
being energy and be able to direct it, but more
so taking energy in this case and just throwing it
out there. And they seem to be able to interpret
it or interact with that better according to you know,

(47:15):
their research. So then why would they not be able
to shoot that back, you know, and forms the communication.
It seems like it seems like that's the way that
they might best communicate. So see that.

Speaker 4 (47:38):
Literally, I must feel like I need to be doing
research while we're talking, right. So one of the things
that I've been working on lately in research because there's.

Speaker 5 (47:55):
There's a.

Speaker 4 (47:58):
A show that I have scheduled next month that the
topic is about the Meadows project with Trey Hudson, and
so I've been in contact with him a little bit.

(48:18):
I've been in contact with and have scheduled somebody who
was part of the Skinwalker.

Speaker 5 (48:26):
Wrench Oh cool.

Speaker 4 (48:30):
Experience and had an experience in their own place, the
predated Skinwalker. So I say all that to say this,
the area that I grew up in was an area
of high strangeness too, and it was it was an area.

Speaker 5 (48:54):
That was in.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
A location that I would suspect to be high strangeness.
To be honest with you, what I'm curious about because
my belief is that all of these things are somehow
connected together. Because when you look into these areas like

(49:20):
Skinwalker Ranch, the Meadows, the area that I'm talking about
that I grew up in, it's not just one thing
in it, right, It's not just seeing UFOs or it's
not just seeing a cryptid you know, or you know,

(49:42):
having a poultry guy's sectivity or something like that. It's
all kinds of stuff just mixed in there.

Speaker 5 (49:50):
Yeah. I mean you can look at uh, for example,
Octgon Hall right there in Kentucky. They tell you, they say, okay,
there's ghosts here. There are portals, don't walk through on
you got to bring a gun because you might come
into contact with Bigfoot or dog man. Like they tell
you this stuff and you're just like what. But then
you realize you're in Kentucky and you're like, oh, okay, yeah,
that sounds about right.

Speaker 4 (50:12):
Look, there are some of my Kentucky researchers. One of
them I'm really trying to get to come on the
show because he's done a lot of research. And Daniel
boom Park was it you, No, it was somebody else

(50:33):
that I was talking to, and that had pointed out
the fact that Ohio, Kentucky, Tennessee, and Georgia and Alabama,
it's all areas of extreme high strangeness. Then you go

(50:53):
north and you have what is that the Brentwood Triangle.
Is that what they call it? Oh Over there like
in New York and Massachusetts, that area. You would think
I could remember the name of it better than I do,
because one of my ancestors is actually connected to that.

Speaker 5 (51:15):
Oh wow. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (51:19):
Actually he was one of the first. He was involved
with the massacre. He was one of the victims in
the massacre, that story of the Prince Philip war So
when you research that you find out that that for

(51:40):
that that took place at was actually right in that triangle.

Speaker 5 (51:45):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (51:46):
Yeah, so there's a lot of stuff that kind of
connects there, and it makes me wonder about that. He
was originally on Block Island, Rhode Island. That's where he
founded what he helped found. He moved from there to
this is a question that I have. But anyway, that's

(52:09):
really now. They're here are there right now at this moment.
It's just these areas, especially like the Ohio, Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama,
and Georgia areas, there's significant amounts of things that happens

(52:31):
in these areas that it seems like it's I mean,
you don't hear the same things being told in the
in the way that they're getting told in the amount
of stories that are coming out that you would have

(52:53):
like yeah, in the Midwest or you know, you like
you you just don't there's too much, you know what
I'm saying, There's just too much. There's something not quite right.

Speaker 5 (53:10):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean other places you would hear people
say or talk about, oh, I had this one experience
here this one time, maybe, but you know that it
doesn't really get talked about you go to Like when
we were going down to Tennessee this past week, I said,
you can go anywhere in Kentucky or Tennessee, go into

(53:32):
any gas station, go anywhere, and say, hey, what do
you think about this? And I guarantee that person has
a story. I guarantee it. And if they if they
don't have a story about a ghost, I guarantee they
have a bigfoot story. I guarantee they have a you know,
a dog man story. They have, whatever, they have an
experience guaranteed eye witnessed.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
Not this.

Speaker 5 (53:54):
I heard this from a friend, Like they've experienced something,
you know. It's so interesting. The good thing about you know,
especially Kentucky, is people are very forthcoming with that kind
of stuff. Other places, you know, you don't really they
don't talk about it or you know whatever, for fears

(54:16):
of being made fun of, outcasted, or being in the
Bible Belt, you know whatever. Maybe, but Kentucky they will.
Most places they'll just start it out there right right.

Speaker 4 (54:30):
Definitely Kentucky there is a lot of talk. I what
really amazes me is when I go to East Tennessee
and I work there quite a bit now, and I
make a comment to somebody about just kind of throwing

(54:51):
it out there to see if they've heard of it,
it heard anything at all? You know, because people you
ask them about have you ever tried to food of
that food? They'll talk about it in a minute, right.
But I've mentioned things like dog Man before and stuff
like that, and I've gotten blank stares from them like

(55:11):
they don't they've I've actually had several I don't even
know what that is, yep, really really like are you
just saying that? Or are you saying that to try
to avoid having that conversation?

Speaker 5 (55:27):
Right? You know what. So one of my biggest I mean,
I'd been been to Kentucky many times before and I've
always loved it, but one of my biggest like welcome
to Kentucky moments was Bridgewater Triangle. Yes, we I was
there with a couple of people and we were in Hellier,

(55:48):
which a lot of people probably heard of, famous for
the documentary with the goblins whatever, and we were trying
to find this cave or these goblins exist, and so
we went all the way up like this little mountain
and we're in this church parking lot like looking down
like okay, if we get up high enough we might

(56:09):
go to find it. So we get up and the
pastor from this church ends up coming out and I'm
from Ohio. To me, that means I'm about to get
shot by this pastor. So I'm kind of freaking out.
They're like no, no, no, it's cool. It was cool.
We're in Kentucky. I'm like, what does that mean? And
he comes up. He's like, hey, welcome, blah blah blah blah,

(56:30):
and he's like, so what are you guys doing? And
we're like looking for this cave with goblins. He was like,
oh you mean this cave? Yeah, I know where that's
that blah blah, and I'm just in there, like where
am I? What is going on right now?

Speaker 4 (56:46):
What?

Speaker 5 (56:47):
This pastor from a church came out because these young
people were poking around his property looking for a cave
with goblins and he literally told us where it was
at and allowed us to go like back on his
property on this not even a road like through his
yard to go see this cave to find goblins. And

(57:09):
I'm like, wow, this is this is Kentucky.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
Okay, oh yeah, yeah, there's there's just Again, it depends
on the culture of the area.

Speaker 5 (57:25):
A lot of times.

Speaker 4 (57:26):
You don't get me wrong. I love I love Tennessee.
I live here for a reason. It's just so much.
Don't ask, don't tell here about some things like people

(57:47):
people here, Yeah, they they talk like some things are
not just don't exist. But you know, I know for
a fact that there's a little shop there in Oakridge,

(58:10):
Tennessee that's just full of herbs and statues and all
kinds of things that is used in various practices that
would not have the stock they have if they weren't
selling stuff.

Speaker 5 (58:31):
Okay, so.

Speaker 4 (58:33):
All these folks are walking around going I don't know
none of them about that. You know, why is this
shop with a bunch of like I mean, I'm the
majority of people that I see that live in Oakridge
appear to be European dessent? Why is this shop selling

(58:59):
red brick right now if nobody's buying it?

Speaker 5 (59:05):
Exactly? Yeah, that's so where we were at last week.
Is it kind of goes along the lines with what
you were talking about as far as practitioners and people
coming together. But so this place had existed for twenty
years out to us going there. My buddy, who is

(59:27):
the most knowledgeable person ever when it comes to the
paranormal when it comes to crazy Lord and stuff like that.
Lived in this town for ten years of his life,
and he had never heard of its existence ever, because,
like you said, it's so don't ass don't tell how

(59:47):
this place had existed for twenty years without you know,
anyone really knowing about it, without him knowing about it,
without the five churches that are right around it knowing
about it. I don't know. It's not like they hide it,
but somehow, you know, it's strange.

Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
Because the state of Tennessee works like this. They will
get very vocal about what they believe in. They will
get extremely vocal about food because we love food here.

Speaker 5 (01:00:30):
They will.

Speaker 4 (01:00:34):
Openly get very vocal about politics and religion. But there
are certain things that if they see it on the
corner of their eye, they quickly put their head down
like this and they ignore it and they don't talk
about it because we don't see those things.

Speaker 5 (01:00:57):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:00:59):
And that is one of the things that this is
what I'm talking about, about, Like how do these places exist?
We have There is a shop in Donaldson, Tennessee, right
there in the Nashville area that's so well known. People
will take it, will take planes that have stops in

(01:01:21):
Nashville just to stop long enough to get off and
go shop at this store. It has a twenty something
year history, is very well known. They literally carry all
kinds of things there for all kinds of practices, you
name it. It's there somewhere in that shop.

Speaker 5 (01:01:43):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:01:45):
So again, and this little place don't have the they's
got a tiny little parking lot. People parking in the
bank parking lot next door because there's so many people
in that building some days that they don't have enough
of room for their parking. So when these folks say, oh,

(01:02:07):
we don't don't know nothing about this, right, it really
means I ain't trying to talk about that. Yeah, that's
what it really means. They'll talk about the they'll talk
about lore all day long. They'll talk about haints and

(01:02:27):
all that kind of stuff all day long. They'll tell
you stories that Granny told them about this and that
and another. But let's look at and again, I love tones,
see there's a reason why I live here. But let's
look at at a list of things you're going to
find in people's homes from old school stuff that I'll

(01:02:53):
fit into one category. Okay, horseshoes over the door, especially
the ones that are like, you're gonna find a rabbit
foot in somebody's pockets somewhere. Okay, you're gonna find sometimes

(01:03:14):
bowls of salt setting around in people's houses. Well that's
just to take the moisture out of the air. Maybe
maybe a little bit, because but your hair is not
that damp in here. Right, there's a lot of things
that these people will talk about that you rose petals,

(01:03:37):
dried roses in their house and stuff like that. What's
this for? Oh, it's good luck?

Speaker 5 (01:03:43):
Well everything isn't. Wind chimes mm hmm. They're good luck,
but I think I could have sworn there's something deeper
to that that I was told by someone from Apple Ashia.

Speaker 4 (01:03:58):
There's something deeper on for ever one of them. But
if you ask them, it's always good luck. It don't
matter what it is. You take around a part of
a dead rabbit for good luck. Really, yeah, So you
have to be very careful about how you go about

(01:04:20):
asking those questions the right way and make sure nobody
is around, and if they trust you, they may tell
you what that's really about. Right, Yeah, wind chimes, definitely,
there's a lot of things about wind chimes. Bells in
general are very cleansing. They keep away things, they repel things.

(01:04:42):
If you want to cleanse everything in your house of
all negative energy, the quickest way to do it is
to ring bells. Just make sure you got your windows
open at the time, so all that negative energy can
go right out the door or the window. Huh yeah, well,
I mean you think about you're trying to shoot something

(01:05:04):
out of your house. If you don't have something open
for it to go out, it's just going to be
hanging in there right right. Yeah. It's the same way
with when people if you notice a lot of times
the old timers will only sweep things out their back door.

Speaker 5 (01:05:27):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:05:29):
There's a reason for that, right, and a big reason
for that. So all of these little isn't the ants
that people got throughout the South, especially the South, because
there's a lot of superstition here.

Speaker 5 (01:05:46):
Oh yeah, you got to be.

Speaker 4 (01:05:52):
You got to be very very inquisitive to the right
people to know what it's all about sometimes the wind chimes.
Another thing about the wim chimes is and there's a
lot of things that go into too. Why people have
the wim chimes depending on what they believe and what
they're looking for or whatever. Some people believe that the

(01:06:16):
wind chimes pacify the faye.

Speaker 5 (01:06:20):
Yeah, that's that's what I was thinking of.

Speaker 4 (01:06:22):
Yes, yeah, And you know you want to keep the
faye as happy as you can, because a mad faye
is not a good thing. We don't want to fay mad.
We don't want them mad at us. We don't want
them mad at our property, our dog. We don't know, no, no, yep, yeah.
I know people that will set fruit and stuff outside

(01:06:45):
piece of the cake. There was a girl I used
used to know. Every time she baked muffins, the first
thing she did was set one on a plate and
put it outside under this particular tree. And I used
to ask her. I was like, are you feeding the ants?

(01:07:07):
And she would just look at me and laugh. She'd
go no. So that's for my little people. Okay, okay,
I got you.

Speaker 5 (01:07:16):
I need to convince my neighbors that the fey exist.
Because if I got a free luffing every single morning,
we might be on to something here. You wouldn't have
to make. You wouldn't cut your hand on bagels anymore,
you wouldn't get cut them.

Speaker 4 (01:07:35):
There you go, I quit eating bagels, I don't particularly
like them so much anymore. And it has nothing to
do with that. It's just my taste has changed, Yeah,
because I used to love bagels and locks. And I
still like bagels and locks some, but not like I
used to.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
Like.

Speaker 4 (01:07:55):
Every once in a while, I'll get a hankering for
a bagel on locks, but not like I used to.
When when we talk about these things though, all of
this craziness, all of these these lures and so forth,
you just there's so much to be said about what,

(01:08:29):
not only what we need to be researching, right, we
need to be learning about what's around us, you know,
like some of the things going on here in Tennessee
right now. Yeah, I can tell you, like that place
that you guys were at, it needs to be known.
It needs to be known about, and these people need

(01:08:50):
to understand what's going on with it and why it's
going on, because they've got two things on both sides
of them that are really really negant, you know, and
one of them y'all didn't even know about. I didn't
know about till recently. I just found out about the
one thing really recently. M But we have to understand that.

Speaker 5 (01:09:20):
If we don't.

Speaker 4 (01:09:23):
Understand. If we don't start learning a little bit more
about and uncovering a little bit more about the things
going on around us, we may be putting ourselves in
a disadvantage.

Speaker 5 (01:09:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:09:44):
Like, Okay, here's a good example, and this is something
I really wanted to bring up at another time, but
it's really relevant right now. For those of you that's
been following me for a while. Y'all remember me talking
a while back about us going through a transitional period.
One of the reasons things have been going on the

(01:10:06):
way they've been going on, you know, all this crazy
stuff that just seems like it was coming out of
nowhere because we're going through a transitional period. And I
even told you that there would be an uptick of
this stuff, that you would see more and more of it,
you know, and you would see things start to come

(01:10:31):
around that is going to make great changes, and that
there was going to be some adjustment periods in this. Okay,
So let's let's backtrack a little bit here. Okay, So,
first you had the storm over here, Helene, that did

(01:10:51):
a lot of stuff. Yeah, and then a little while
later over on the West coast, all of a sudden,
you've got Hollywood burning down. You've got a whole area
burning down. Well, now, what's happening over there? What's the
big thing in the news right now coming out of Hollywood.

(01:11:16):
They're literally looking at the crack in the wall that's
going to bring down a lot of the entertainment industry.
Like this whole thing that's going on right now, this
trial that's going on with a certain guy, did he

(01:11:41):
is just a crack in the wall to what they're
going to uncover, and it's going to change how we
see entertainment industries and a lot of things. It's going
to change the landscape of entertainment for us, especially in

(01:12:01):
the music industry in Hollywood.

Speaker 5 (01:12:07):
I think you have more faith in people than I do,
because I don't think it will.

Speaker 4 (01:12:15):
It will actually do. There's going to have to be
shifts because the people that are going to be affected
by this in incarcerat is going to leave huge gaps.

Speaker 5 (01:12:30):
I mean, there could be, but I think they're too
elite for that. And you know, I think if tomorrow
Taylor Swift comes out and says I sacrifice children and
drink their blood and do all this crazy stuff, feel
like that's all right, and they're just going to keep

(01:12:53):
listening to her.

Speaker 4 (01:12:55):
Mm.

Speaker 5 (01:12:58):
We are seeing this stuff happen now with individuals. It
doesn't matter what they do. It's like, well, you know,
I could be the most pro don't kill Trosen person ever,
which I'm not for it. For the record, I'm not
a big fan of that. It's just it's usually not
a good thing to do. But you know, people will

(01:13:27):
overlook things, and it kind of goes to what we've
been talking about this other this whole time, is people
will overlook things so that they don't have to question
their world views or they don't have to think against
of what they support or believe in. It's the same

(01:13:49):
thing with people saying, oh, we know nothing about that,
wink wink. You know, I don't know. It's it's a
very cognitive dissonance. Is is a very real thing. M
and so it's gonna be interesting to see how all
this plays out. But at the same time, we're talking

(01:14:10):
about how it's all over the media, but it's really not.
It has not been made as big of a deal
as it really is.

Speaker 4 (01:14:21):
Well in the mainstream media, no, because exactly mainstream media
is actually owned by some of the people involved with
some of the exactly you know, they're never gonna like,
look at CNN is owned by an entertainment company. Okay,

(01:14:41):
it's just a fact. Look it up through the research.
Ye're owned by an entertainment company. So when you when
you talk about things like that, you know, and if
you really want a good.

Speaker 5 (01:14:57):
A good read on.

Speaker 4 (01:15:01):
That particular subject. There's a lot of things in this
book that I'm going to suggest to you that the
author later retracted his belief on. But one of the
things that he always stood firm in is his belief
in the Hollywood conspiracy part. But there was William Cooper

(01:15:26):
Behold the pelle Horse, very good read on some things. Again,
like I said, he later retracted his belief in some
of the stuff that he wrote in this book, But
it was other things that he wrote in that book
that you can go back and you can definitely research

(01:15:49):
and you can find it, especially now because that book
he wrote that book in the nineteen eighties, there's enough
of evidence out now to back up what he was
saying and his whole thing on the JFK files Now
they're accessible, most of them, so you can do in

(01:16:10):
depth research on all of those things. So we have
more information now than they had in nineteen eighty. Go
back and read this book. Check it out, Behold the
pell Horse by William Cooper. Like I said, there's parts
of it that gets a little out there, but there

(01:16:31):
are researchable things in there that make me go, hmmm,
he was on a something. He was onto something at
that time. He didn't even realize what he was onto.

Speaker 5 (01:16:45):
Yeah, yeah, you were one hundred percent right. There's a
lot of like we've can talk about this whole time,
a lot of strange things going on out there. I
mean it's like we know Bohogey and Grove exists, saying
we know that's a thing, and you know, we know
like there's only been what one president who wasn't a

(01:17:06):
member of the Skull and Bone Society, right right? I think, so,
you know, we know Freemasons are still out there. Just
there's so many crazy things that's still going on out
there that we realize exists. But I don't know what
you're talking about. Yeah, what's a good you know?

Speaker 4 (01:17:30):
Yeah, exactly. Well, you know, people will go back and
so before I say this, let me let me clarify something.

Speaker 5 (01:17:42):
Good.

Speaker 4 (01:17:45):
So one of my one of the people in my
my ancestry was deeply involved in the early days of
the Mormon Church. Okay, when when Joseph Smith was walking
the earth, this man was on mission with Joseph Smith's brother,

(01:18:07):
That's how deep into it he was. And so and
his journal is actually considered one of the most important
documents in American history because it is a journal of
his experience from the beginning with Joseph Smith. And he

(01:18:31):
also went with Brigham Young into Salt Lake City. So
when I talk about the subject of the of the
Latter day Saints, I'm not coming from it from a
misinformed way. Okay, I have direct insight. I don't want
to go into my sources. I have direct insight onto

(01:18:54):
what I'm saying, and I've done a lot of research
because of that connection to what I'm talking about. First
of all, Joseph Smith, the reason why they were there
was so much controversy with them in Illinois, and the
reason Joseph Smith was incarcerated was because he had a
deep desire to be a Mason.

Speaker 5 (01:19:15):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (01:19:17):
The Mace the Masons did not want any part of him.
So lo and behold, what did he do? He all
of a sudden got this this go ahead from God
to created a temple.

Speaker 5 (01:19:37):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 4 (01:19:40):
That was that was it? That was a That was
the last straw. That was the knill in his coffin.
Literally they incarcerated him because of that, because they did
not want him creating another type of lodge. And that's
what the temple was supposed to be to start with.

Speaker 5 (01:19:58):
If you.

Speaker 4 (01:20:00):
If you ever get a chance to go to one publicly,
and when they first build a temple, they have open
house where they invite the public in to be able
to go through. You don't have to be a Mormon
to go into this temple during the open house, and
you can look around and I'm sure there are certain
parts of it that you can't see, but there's Masonic

(01:20:27):
imagery and the nuances of Masonic beliefs all throughout the temple.
Right if you research and you know where to look
for the video that people have been able to take
cameras into these places, even though they weren't supposed to.

(01:20:51):
They took cameras in. They were able to film some
of the rituals and so forth. You notice that these
rituals have some very questionable things involved with them. Okay,
even their temple garments have some very questionable things involved

(01:21:13):
with them. So you have to understand.

Speaker 5 (01:21:20):
That even.

Speaker 4 (01:21:23):
The Mormons, the Latter day Saints, you have practices and
so forth that you could probably lump into being esoteric
or a cult.

Speaker 5 (01:21:36):
Mm hmm. Yeah, No, you're one hundred percent right. And
it's uh, it's crazy once you I mean, I typically
don't dive down these rabbit holes, but after this past
week I got forced into them. But there's there's so
many interesting things down to I think it was more

(01:22:00):
who was telling me about this, because this place they
would have all these women come and they would be
undressing and all kinds of stuff and stuff like that,
and he told me about how Freemasons and some other

(01:22:21):
people would do this, and what would be going on
is you have these women being provocative sexual whatever, and
up above are all the men carrying out this magic
and all these spells, using their feminine sexuality as energy

(01:22:42):
and them not knowing, you know, thinking that they're just
there for a good time or whatever, not knowing what's
going on, and they're sucking all this energy and using
it and repurposing it. So it's kind of like what
you talked about here with you know, the Mormons. You know,
there's all stuff hidden in playing sight that people just

(01:23:05):
don't realize they're they're with the masonry and stuff like that,
and it's really kind of using using these places.

Speaker 4 (01:23:17):
One of the things that I've learned recently from an
ex JAW watching watching an interview with them. And I
know some I know people who are JW or were
j W who have left the church. And for those
that don't know a Daniel for those that don't know

(01:23:40):
j W, Jehovah Witness. Okay, we think of them as
just those nicely dressed, sweet old ladies who come knocking
on your door and who really just are there to annoy,
use and leave us watch tower. That's all we ever

(01:24:03):
see of them. Yeah, I did not know they First
of all, they don't celebrate anything. I did know that
they don't celebrate birthdays, they don't celebrate holidays. They don't
even celebrate the one thing that Christians celebrate that they're
supposed to celebrate, which is the Sacrament or the Eucharist,

(01:24:27):
if you're familiar with those terminologies. What they don't even
celebrate Easter. What they do is that day they asseymbol
for what they call memorial service, and they believe that
the only people that are.

Speaker 5 (01:24:48):
That are.

Speaker 4 (01:24:50):
Really allowed to take sacrament are the one hundred and
forty four thousand. I don't want to get into their
theology on one hundred and forty four thousand, and it's
all wrong. But what they do is they do they
pass plates with the bread and wine, and each person

(01:25:18):
passes it on and the only time that you ever
see anybody take it because you don't. Nobody ever takes
from it, and they're told not to unless they get
a certain feeling. Interesting. I did not know that this

(01:25:38):
was a practice of this, but I will tell you
what this lady said that made perfect sense as to
why they do that. They are actually rejecting Christ when
they do that, because they're rejecting taking the sacrament. And

(01:26:05):
for those who believe in that theology, we believe that
the sacrament is a very holy thing, is something that
that that Jesus instituted himself. He said take and eat,
take and drink, and explained that we do this in

(01:26:26):
remembrance of him. So if you reject the sacrament and
you claim to be you believe in God, what you're
really saying is that you're you're you're rejecting Christ. So
even even what should be the sacrament for them is

(01:26:48):
actually a very dark practice. So there's yeah, there's all
these undertones in some of these organizations that you have
to be very careful about and understand that just and
these guys don't you know. Let me let me say this,

(01:27:09):
The average JW does not realize this. I mean they're
taught you. They're taught just like everybody else is taught you,
and they thoroughly believe because they trust the leadership, you know,
and they don't some if you've been raised in the church,
how do you know anything different?

Speaker 5 (01:27:29):
You don't.

Speaker 4 (01:27:30):
You don't know anything different. That's that's one percent the problem.
So it's not that the general assembly of JW are
evil you. They're just doing what they've been taught to do.
I mean, they're just kind of going along with it

(01:27:52):
because they don't have any other contexts. So before you
go saying, oh, Daniel said that all JW you were evil,
and that's not what I'm saying. Not what I'm saying. Yeah,
So anyway, we dis covered all kinds of bass tonight.

Speaker 5 (01:28:13):
Yeah, if we're from ghosts to I don't know what.

Speaker 4 (01:28:18):
So you had a very deep and different experience this
past week, and it kind of opened up some some
new insight for you right going forward. How is that

(01:28:43):
going to affect how you like the research you do,
how you engage with the stuff that you've been working with.
How is it going to to change or is it
going to change how you go about working with things now?

Speaker 5 (01:29:04):
I don't know that it's really going to change anything,
but it has been a realization that things that you
just hear stories of, or things that you don't think
still go on that you might think are barbaric or

(01:29:25):
stuck in the medieval ages, or you know, stuck in
Salem even before that, these things still exist and still
go on. There's still these locations where you have crazy
rituals carried out daily, where you have blood sacrifices carried

(01:29:49):
out daily. And it's such an interesting concept to me.
And like you were saying, you know, not all Jehovah
witnesses are evil. That's that's the way that I went
into that weekend because I knew I was gonna meet
with witches. I knew I was gonna meet with Satanists,
I knew I was gonna meet with necromancers, I knew

(01:30:11):
I was gonna meet with, you know, all these different
sects of people who worship all these different things and
carry out these different rituals. And I looked at it
the same way. You know, not all these people are
bad or evil. There are just as many bad and

(01:30:31):
evil Christians as there are you know, a lot of
other groups of people. So it was just really interesting
for me to hear their take on things and to
see this is what we do, this is why we

(01:30:51):
do it, this is how we do it, and you know,
just kind of the realization of that. I mean, I've
never seeing a monkey Paul before, now I have. You know,
stuff like that is so absolutely intriguing to me. And

(01:31:16):
I will not sit here and say that these are
bad people. But it also helped me realize that, you know,
all this stuff does still exist without a doubt, and
it does have impact on whatever. And there's something to

(01:31:41):
be said about you know, coming together and putting your
energy into something to get a reaction. There's definitely something
to be said about that. And it also kind of
made me realize if you have all these different people
with all these different beliefs, even down to Judaism and

(01:32:05):
Christianity out there with Satanists and everything else that that
spoke volumes to me that number one of these people
can coexist with all their different beliefs, which is amazing,
But also seeing kind of the output I guess you

(01:32:29):
could say, of all these different practices really started to
make me realize that, you know, there there really is
no one answer. I don't believe Therefore, if there is
no one answer, who am I to say that the

(01:32:54):
way that you do things is wrong? Now, the intent
could be wrong without a doubt. The intention could be wrong,
and I could one percent disagree with you there, But
how am I to say that if you are doing
things in a for a positive reaction or whatever it

(01:33:20):
may be, whether you are you know, in some of
these voodoo who dooo and stuff like that, who are
we to say that those practices are wrong when we
have seen that they exist in things happen in accordance

(01:33:43):
to those things. I don't know. It just left me
with a lot of freaking questions because, like I said,
I believe that there are just as many bad Christians
as they are people who practice voodoo or who do
I don't think that there's because at the end of
the day. We're all people. All people are flawed. All

(01:34:07):
people are you know, unpredictable and you know, selfish and
all that. So I don't know it. Just let me
have a lot more questions than anything, and a lot
more respect for people who practice these different things. Yeah, exactly,

(01:34:29):
we are all centers. We are all centers. It doesn't
matter what religion you're in. Every single religion has a
form of sin, and you know that's what we all
are all flawed. Now, some people, some groups might celebrate senny,
But you know, who's to say that one thing's a

(01:34:52):
sin like glutten heir or something like that. You know,
you eat too much, talk a bell. Not that I've
ever done that, head, you know, that makes me a center.
But maybe there's maybe over here there's a a church
or religion that embodies that. And who am I to

(01:35:13):
say that you're wrong? You know, I'm no one well
to say it seems like we're all working together for
air quotes, all working together towards the same type of goal.
Because that's like the other thing that I kind of

(01:35:34):
learned from there was that they talk about prayer being
kind of this projection into this conscious that so to
speak that then can be pulled from and it's kind
of this goes into this mass that connects with you.

(01:35:58):
Because one of my questions was, Okay, so if you're
telling me all this stuff exists out here, and you're
telling me over heres Buddha and overhears bell z above,
why are they not fighting right now? Like what's going on?
And that's when they kind of explain how it's a
different like magnetic frequency and you kind of create these
fiber optics that connect with whatever you are vibrating towards.

(01:36:24):
And that's how when you pray, you're able to use
these fiber optics to magnetic you know, shoot these thoughts
or whatever out on the same magnetic wavelength that you
were on. So these things exist on different planes, but
they're all there at the same time, and it's just

(01:36:44):
I don't know, my head hurts. My head hurts.

Speaker 4 (01:36:51):
Like they're having deep discussion on Taco Bell in the chat.

Speaker 5 (01:36:56):
Now, I'm here for I here for it, dude, talk
about I, you know, forget like anything like capturing a
full body aversion anything. I just want a sponsorship and
talk about once in my lifetime. I've been saying that
for years as my lifetime goal.

Speaker 4 (01:37:20):
Well, you know, I'm learning a lot about the sponsorship
right now because I just signed up to be a sponsor,
to have a sponsor, and I'll talk about that another
day whenever I get when I'm ready to open that up.
But it is possible.

Speaker 5 (01:37:38):
You never know.

Speaker 4 (01:37:38):
Taco Bell may may offer you a sponsorship if you'll
ask them.

Speaker 5 (01:37:44):
Not yet, I don't think, but we're working towards that.
That's my life goal.

Speaker 4 (01:37:48):
I mean, just keep it in the back of mind,
just saying all.

Speaker 5 (01:37:53):
The dragon fruit freeze are some good stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:37:57):
My goodness, So as we started, because we're like actually
about thirty eight minutes over the hour, but that's okay.
I'm having a day, so it's my it's my party.
I'll be overtime if I want to. Okay, that's right anyway, Right,

(01:38:23):
So the Dead Chronicles, let's talk about that for a moment.
And and what you're what you're up to there? You
don't know what to say about your own show.

Speaker 5 (01:38:47):
I don't know. So right now, the pilot season is
coming out every two weeks dropping a new episode. There
are two episodes out now. It is uh, I keep
seeing talk about in the chat and I want to
talk about so bad. Now. The the pilot season is

(01:39:12):
just that it is a pilot season. We are filming
the first season now and it's uh, it's gonna be insane,
not just from an evidence standpoint and location standpoint, but
production value. Everything has gone up. It's skyrocketed, So it's

(01:39:32):
gonna be really cool to get that out there. But
essentially it's paranormal investigating with some history, some stories, and
some back to the basics investigating, no frills, and the
whole goal, which you kind of start to see part

(01:39:55):
of it with episode two, is bringing people into the investigation.
And I I loved seeing people like comment afterwards about
stuff because you know, like you saw in episode two
is the introduction of the stationary cameras and going through
there is stuff in these episodes that I do not
point out. There's stuff that happened in those stationary cameras

(01:40:18):
that I don't say anything about. I don't point out
because I want people to become investigators and become part
of the investigation, not just for the viewer but also
for the people who may have some sort of handicap
or anything like that to where they can't visit these
locations because for some reason, they didn't install too many

(01:40:40):
elevators in these old debated places. So I don't know,
it's just kind of my take on what I would
like to see on paranormal TV. I'm just kind of
winging it, man, We're just we're just throwing some stuff
out Thursday. What happens, right, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:41:03):
I gotta tell you so far, the two episodes I
have seen.

Speaker 5 (01:41:09):
Terrible. They suck. No, that's literally what your message does
right here.

Speaker 4 (01:41:15):
Yeah, what my message says, You're horrible, a horrible human being.
I love you, but you're so mean to me. So
you know, yes, we have a toxic, toxic friendship that
we don't It's great.

Speaker 5 (01:41:30):
I love him.

Speaker 4 (01:41:31):
So here's the thing, though, I will tell you this.
There's like kind of a gothy undertone to to the
way these these two episodes were presented to So if
you if you can, yeah, so if you are really

(01:41:52):
into you know, the kind of maccob kind of you know,
chill lax god the thing, just check it out for
that if nothing else, but definitely check it out. I
can tell you now, Uh, if you watch the first
episode first.

Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:42:17):
That one mm hm.

Speaker 4 (01:42:21):
Hm h m hmm. Yeah, but episode two really starts
building into what what the show is more about and
how it is kind of the rhythm and the cadence
involved in what Austin is doing. It gives it more.

(01:42:44):
I think it's more true too, to the experience of
the Chronicles, the Dead Chronicles, honestly, to be to to
really put it into perspective, I think I think that
one's a little more I'm a little more true.

Speaker 5 (01:43:03):
Yeah. Yeah, you definitely get to see an evolution from
episode to episode to episode, and then going into what
will be the first season, it's gonna be like it's
like if you see a moth or not a moth,
a caterpillar, then it kind of you're like, oh, that's cool.
Then it goes into this cocoon, You're like, oh, what's

(01:43:24):
going on there? Then it becomes a butterfly. That's kind
of where we're now in the cocoons cocoon stage. First
episode you saw you saw the little caterpillar, like, Okay,
that's kind of cool. Then you saw the cocoon and
now there's just something moving in there. You're gonna see
the butterfly next. That's that's the only way I can
think to explain it, but it's kind of that evolutionary cycle.

(01:43:49):
Like you said from the first episode. Second episode. First
episode wasn't even supposed to exist. They literally threw this
location for free, and it sucked. It was like nine
hundred degrees. I got covered with chiggers. That sucked. It

(01:44:10):
was hot, it was sweaty. We went back to the
hotel room and there was a homeless man sleeping under stairs.
I don't know, man, it was just a bad time
all around.

Speaker 4 (01:44:18):
So right right, there was a couple of other things
that happened that I'm not going to go into with
you guys that I know because we've talked about it. Yeah,
that kind of put a damper on the experience. So
if you do watch the first episode, just be aware
of the fact that it seemed like they weren't really

(01:44:41):
into it because there were some things that kind of
threw it all off. Okay, yeah, you know again, this
was was not one of their planned episodes. It was
an episode that just happened to get there. So the
first episode I took with a grain of salt. So

(01:45:02):
the second episode, I was starting to go, okay, we
broke got something going on here. Now the next episode,
you might see my little mug in there for a minute?

Speaker 5 (01:45:14):
Is that the next one? I was just thinking, what
is the next one? That is the next one, isn't it?

Speaker 4 (01:45:18):
Yeah, yeah it is. I didn't think about it until
you said said something about that particular.

Speaker 5 (01:45:28):
Oh that the next episode is gonna give me some hate.
So throw that out there right now. The first first
five to ten minutes of the episode is going to
give me some hate. You're not in it, but it's
a it's gonna be fun. I'm excited now.

Speaker 4 (01:45:48):
I'm curious as to what's going to be in it.
Don't spoil it. Yeah, So that's going on there, and
then I've been going to be joining you guys for
at least one location. Yeah, I'm really wanting to make

(01:46:10):
it to the other one that that you talked about
as well. There in Indiana.

Speaker 5 (01:46:19):
Oh yeah, in September.

Speaker 4 (01:46:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that in September. Uh, definitely the two
there in Kentucky, I will definitely be Yeah, those are
absolutely doable.

Speaker 5 (01:46:32):
Oh yeah, you'll love those. Those are those are two
places that you walk in and you're like, I'm allowed
to be in here right now? Holy crap, you know,
I mean, especially the jail You've got literally the jail
was used as a Confederate prison at one point, and

(01:46:53):
you literally have graffiti from Confederate soldiers on the walls.
Oh wow, and it's like I'm allowed to be in here,
like I get to experience this. It's wild. It's wild.

Speaker 4 (01:47:09):
Well, And to be honest with you, this will be
the first time I've ever been able to do a
non guided.

Speaker 5 (01:47:17):
Okay uh.

Speaker 4 (01:47:20):
Investigation in a place like this, Like I've done investigation
in private homes before and in cemeteries and other things,
that this will be the first one of its kind
that I'm actually going to So not only am I

(01:47:41):
going to be doing it with a great group of people,
but there's a lot of first involved with this location.

Speaker 5 (01:47:48):
So uh yeah, we're going to hold hands for the
first time. There's gonna be a lot of first.

Speaker 4 (01:47:55):
Oh look, we're joking. I'm just gonna tell me. So
the episode that I did, we did together where I
brought Austin on to talk about the Dead Chronicles for

(01:48:15):
the first time. I named that episode after a song
because I felt like it went along with what I
was feeling. The episode and the vibe of everything was
going to kind of go into that direction. So some

(01:48:37):
things I didn't know about the song and the title.
First of all, it happens to be not only one
of my favorite songs, but one of Austin's favorite songs too.
There was footage from one of the episodes of The
Dead Chronicles that went very well with song and that title.

(01:49:02):
So there were just several things about it that kind
of made it almost an ongoing like matter of fact
and almost an ongoing inside joke in a way. So
I jokingly started calling it mine in Austin song. But
right right, so Roses with the Dead is now our song.

(01:49:28):
You gotta you gotta know, you just gotta know anybody
that's like Eat Eats Taco Bell, you know which I'm
a big Taco fan too. I love Taco Bell. There's
that just weird connection there, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:49:45):
It is.

Speaker 4 (01:49:47):
It's something about it.

Speaker 5 (01:49:48):
It's the said about those cheesy double beefs to just
have us all link together. You know.

Speaker 4 (01:49:56):
Now you're gonna make me want to go Taco Bell
and it's just down the street before we close out tonight,
do you have any what's some some final words that
you have for to leave with us tonight. Final thoughts,
Final thoughts, not Taco bell related.

Speaker 5 (01:50:22):
So I'm trying to get my head out of that
space right now really hard. But that crunch rap is
calling my name. Don't doubt that's certain things exists, because
I've been through this multiple times where I have thought

(01:50:44):
that for sure things didn't exist, and even going back
into this past weekend, I accept that certain things exist,
but I did not believe and now I'm still not
sure where I'm at. But I didn't necessarily believe in
the effects of some of these practices and things like that.

(01:51:09):
I'm still not sure where I'm at on that. I
I know that people can manifest things, but I don't
know if they're manifesting, you know, if it's like Philip
Experiment types of things going on, or if it's but whatever.
But what that means said, you know, realize that there's
a lot more weird stuff out there than we even realize,

(01:51:34):
and that things that we thought no longer exist or
no longer go on they still do, which is crazy
and sometimes to a large extent to where you've got
people flying from overseas to come here to carry out

(01:51:56):
rituals with you know, thirty forty fifty other people in
plain sight. MM hmm, that's freaking nuts.

Speaker 4 (01:52:12):
There's something abou out about that particular area that makes
him move in that direction to want to come here
for that particular area.

Speaker 5 (01:52:21):
Yeah yeah, yeah, absolutely, But.

Speaker 4 (01:52:23):
It's the only area exactly like it in the entire planet.

Speaker 5 (01:52:27):
Right. See, That's that's all I got. So there's there's
weird stuff out there, in case you didn't know, some
some weird stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:52:42):
Right like people who choose McDonald's over Taco Bell.

Speaker 5 (01:52:46):
Okay, no, those people should not exist, but they do,
but they shouldn't. Like that's where we need to kind
of droll. You should. Okay, I'm all for rights and everything,
but you should not be able to vot. You shouldn't
be able to drive a car, you shouldn't be able
to reproduce. That's all I'm saying. We don't need those

(01:53:09):
kind of people making decisions for our country, and we
don't need you giving us offspring to lead the country.
Like we just got to cut the cord at some point. Wow, wow,
I'm not wrong, That's all I'm saying. If you choose

(01:53:30):
McDonald's over talk.

Speaker 4 (01:53:31):
About I'm literally not arguing with you.

Speaker 5 (01:53:36):
McDonald's has good for us. I'll give him that they've
got that. That's it. Their hamburgers. Suck your chicken is
not even real chicken. I don't know what it is.
They got coke products? Really, who wants who wants coke products?

(01:54:01):
You want to Baja blast? And did you know? Okay,
I have a fun fact to leave you with again,
did you know that the only reason that in restaurants,
fast food places, et cetera, et cetera. The only reason
that we have refillable cups, the reason you're allowed to

(01:54:27):
get refills, it's because of Tacobo. They started the movement. Wow,
there you go. So that's why I'm we should I
don't know. Now I'm kind of debating on creating my
own Tacobo colt oh.

Speaker 4 (01:54:53):
I feel like that would be a new episode coming
up soon.

Speaker 5 (01:54:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:55:00):
Yeah, he's actually deeply thinking about this guy. That's the
scary now I.

Speaker 5 (01:55:09):
Thought this is now a thought I could make offerings
to the Chihuahua. Okay, so let me know if you're
interested in joining today not cult, Well, we'll meet behind
to talk about on Third Street. Bring your own robes, jeez,

(01:55:32):
and we'll have a good time.

Speaker 4 (01:55:35):
My goodness. Okay, awesome, hang in the back for a minute.
I'm not gonna keep you long tonight, because I know
how that tucko about craving goes. I'm gonna close this out,
and uh, I'll be back with you.

Speaker 5 (01:55:50):
In a moment. Sounds good, I'll be here.

Speaker 4 (01:55:53):
Awesome, Okay, Well, not the show I had planned for tonight,
and not the show I had looked forward to for
a month. But it was a good show. It was
a great show, and I had fun and that's what counts.

(01:56:14):
And you guys stayed with me, most of you. A
couple of things I want to point out real quickly.
If you notice the I have my settings different tonight.
If you notice up here in the corner which logo
is no more. It's not that I'm doing away with

(01:56:41):
it altogether yet, but this is kind.

Speaker 5 (01:56:44):
Of a.

Speaker 4 (01:56:46):
Part of the slow process of the rebranding. Remember I
talked about that a while back, one of the other
things that's going to happen. And you saw the you
saw the background tonight right around us. Hold on a second,
can I change this?

Speaker 5 (01:57:06):
There?

Speaker 4 (01:57:07):
We go that that there is actually part of the
rebranding too. So I also added a new and don't
get too worried about the idea of having to learn

(01:57:29):
a new name. I'm always going to be a magical journey.
There's going to be a little bit of change to
the branding, though coming in. Like my goal was for
twenty twenty six, it may come sooner than that because
one of the parts of that is going to be
the spelling of magic. Because one of the things I'm

(01:57:53):
finding is that people are having a hard time in
some cases like finding me in research and like trying
to search for my brand because some things kick it
out as being a misspelling because the K in there,

(01:58:14):
which is another reason why I'm going through. The website
address will eventually change as well. So a lot of
things are coming up with the rebranding. But I'm going
to be moving this out slowly so people don't think
that I just like disappeared and there's another show all
of a sudden that's doing now. It's a slow process.

(01:58:35):
It's a process that will make sense as it comes along.
And what I'm doing now is just trying to get
you guys used to it, So just to heads up,
pay attention to the subtle changes and then not so
subtle changes. If you go to the channel, there is
a new video up in the introductory video or the

(01:58:59):
promo video that is part of the new change. It's
actually there's this scene is actually featured in there, and
there's a lot of cool stuff that's working with that.
I'm using a lot more AI now, so expect a
little more creativity as we go along. Anyway, So again,

(01:59:24):
check out the website. It's still the same address right now.
It's still the same website except for the fact that
I've added the audio podcast and every night where every week,
after I.

Speaker 5 (01:59:42):
Do this.

Speaker 4 (01:59:48):
This whatever this is we're gonna do, I'm gonna go back.
I'm gonna add the audio podcast on to my RSS
so it will be up and ready as soon as
it processes, so you'll get that, and you'll have the
blog post on the website tonight no later than tomorrow morning,

(02:00:13):
depending on how soon it takes it to update. But
I'll be working right after this, so there's your heads
up for that. Do not forget. If you go to
the website, pick up some magical merch so you will
be one of the cool kids support and some really
cool gear, and I'll be keeping the Magical Merch logo.

(02:00:38):
We'll still be selling this because some of this logo
is going to be around for a while still, just
not in the same capacity and not in the same
way anyway. I love you guys, thank you again, and
next week hopefully will actually be en course with what

(02:01:03):
we're planning to do. And may your journey always be magical.

Speaker 2 (02:01:13):
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