Into the Veil with Katie Paige

In this gripping episode of the Magickal Journey Podcast, we welcome Katie Page — well-known from Beyond Skinwalker Ranch — to share her lifelong experiences with alien abduction, high strangeness, and a property she calls her own "Skinwalker Ranch." Katie opens up about her childhood encounters with non-human entities, her investigative work, and how her experiences align with (and sometimes surpass) what we’ve seen on television. From glowing orbs and missing time to physical marks and interdimensional phenomena, Katie takes us through the unsettling and mysterious events that shaped her life and work. If you’re fascinated by UFOs, alien abductions, Skinwalker Ranch phenomena, portals, and real-life experiencer accounts, this episode delivers it all—with heart, courage, and the truth most are afraid to speak.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (01:16):
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With that said, don't forget Magical Journey podcast dot com
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social media events as well. So tonight I have for

(02:25):
you guys a really special episode and we're going to
get right into it. My guest tonight, you know her
if you know much at all about high Strangeness, about you,
apology about if you've heard about Skinwalker Ranch. There's so

(02:47):
many ways to know my guests tonight, and ladies and gentlemen,
welcome to the stage. Katie Paige. Hey, Hey Friday, it
is Friday, and this is Friday Night Live. Right, So, Katie,

(03:11):
before we get started, just tell people where they can
find you, because I think a lot of people know
who you are, but they may not know where to
locate you online.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
Well, first off, thank you Daniel for having me on
the Magical Journey podcast. I really appreciate it. I'm happy
to be here. Really, there's two places people, well three
three places people could go to find me. You can
find me at Katie k A t I E Page
p A I G E dot net. That's my personal website,
and then I have the Rockymountain Ranchresearch dot org website.

(03:45):
You can find me there as well. And then also
I have a YouTube channel that I've neglected for a
month now and I'm like my numbers are starting to tank.
But I do have a YouTube channel, and I've tried
to go on location at some of these high Strangers
areas and kind of before I was like sitting behind
you know, doing this, which is great too. I enjoy
doing this, but I thought it'd be fun to take

(04:06):
people along on some investigations that I've gone on, and
you can find that at Rocky Mountain Ranch Research with
Katie Paige on YouTube. Wow. Yeah, I'll get up something
up soon. I need to get back get busy on that.
But it's a lot, it's a lot. I don't know
how you guys all do it, and the ones that
do it every single night is like, oh my gosh,

(04:27):
it's a lot of work.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Look, when I get to the point where I can
do it every single night, I'll go there. But right
now I have to do a real job on top
of this. So, Kittie, a lot of people that follow
you know your story, but for those that don't, let's
talk for a man about how you really got started,

(04:54):
where your experiences start it out, and if that was
how you got this path that you're on now started,
then clue them in, cleue them in, let them know
what's happening.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Yeah, I think your podcast name says a lot really
magical journey, and I think for most of us it's
been that. It's a perfect name for it. I mean,
like many people, we all, or a lot of people
that I talked to, have experienced things that just kind
of fall outside the typical normal life experiences. And for
me that started at a pretty early age and then

(05:34):
back in the day too, I compartmentalized different experiences into
different boxes of like paranormal things, right, the ghosts and
the shadow figures and all those things that happened when
I was younger, you know, living in different haunted locations
and things like that. My mom started dating a gentleman
in the nineteen seventies that owned a ranch in Albert County, Colorado,

(05:58):
and my mom worked as a computer operator for United Airlines,
so we moved out to Colorado from Illinois because of
that reason, and she started dating this guy that owned
this interesting ranch. So it's important for your listeners to
understand I did not live there full time, thank goodness,
or I don't think i'd be doing what I'm doing
right now, because the three boys who did live their

(06:19):
full time all moved out of the state of Colorado,
are still very traumatized PTSD from all the events that
happened at this location predated the Skinwalker Ranch by over
fifteen years. I never knew anybody knew anything about the location.
I never knew it was investigated. We were kind of
told never to talk about it, and even when I did,
I'm nine, ten, eleven, twelve years old and you're trying
to tell your little friends about all these cattle mutilations

(06:42):
and strange sounds and cryptids, and they just think you're
kind of nuts anyway. So you just learned to shut
up really quick. So you know, I didn't talk about it.
My sister was also their experience thing. She was on
season three with me on Beyond Skinwalker, my mom experience things.
So what happened was, since this was a small town
in Elbert County, the two younger sons lived with us

(07:04):
during the week to go to a larger school district
in the state of Colorado. It's a Cherry Creek School district.
It's one of the best school districts in the state.
So they lived with us during the week, and then
we'd commute back and forth on the weekend so they
can visit their mom, help on the ranch. Blah blah blah.
So just put this in a little little box. Fast forward.

(07:24):
You go through school. You know, I get married, start
raising a family, and I had all these unanswered questions
about what all that was about. This is where Linda
Moulton how got her start out there in Elbert County
as an investigative journalist. So here I was not knowing
anybody knew anything about the ranch of my childhood, and
I learned about Moufon the mutual ufhone network, joined Moufon,

(07:47):
came right in as a field investigator, started just kind
of getting my feet wet and investigating other people's cases.
And I came across this book in a bookstore called
Hunt for the Skinwalker. At that time, Skinwalker ran wasn't
a series. And I read the back of the book
and I'm like, oh, this sounds like my childhood. I
wonder if there's any commonalities or similarities. And I opened

(08:08):
the chapter titled Other Hotspots and started reading about a
ranch in Colorado, and I'm like, holy beep, this has
to be the ranch of my childhood, because I knew
like the strange family dynamics. My mom was dating this
guy and you know, and they weren't to technically divorced
yet and she had a boyfriend and then the three boys,

(08:30):
and I just knew the weird dynamics of the situation.
And so in this book it stated that there were
three PhDs doctor Leo Sprinkle, PhD, Peter Van Harsdale, and
John Durr who was a seismologist, PhD. And others that
investigated the ranch. So I was just like mind blown,
calling my mom on the phone, calling my sister. You're

(08:51):
not going to believe this. And thankfully for me, doctor
Leo Sprinkle lived in Laramie, Wyoming, so it was a quick,
you know, three hour drive for me to go get
it archives, talk to doctor Sprinkle, and very quickly, you know,
I got the original briefing document on the ranch both
you know, the one where they used the pseudonyms, which
by the way, we're really close to the real names.

(09:13):
And it's just been fifteen plus years now of talking
with people do an investigations, sending Foyer requests, because my
question always was how much of this was actual paranormal
unexplained activity and how much of this was like black
access government projects. And we can get into that a
little bit right.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Right, because there was so much. So we're familiar with
some of the things I had been experienced at another
location here in the South that is very similar in
some ways some of the things that both of you
have talked about by both of you on me, you

(09:55):
and Trey Hudson Orbes was definitely one of the things
on a list. Seeing craft of some sort was one
of the things on the list there of things that
are kind of mutual tell us a little bit about

(10:16):
some of the things that are common between what you
experienced and what you know has happened in some of
these other places.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
And that's really where I started, I mean, just trying
to look at all these different locations and you know,
and getting to know people even in the United Kingdom,
so this is global. This is not just a United
States phenomena. And Trey Hudson, who's a great friend of mine,
and I've been out on investigations there at the Medals
with him and his team twice. Both times, you've experienced

(10:46):
very very unexplained things going on. Some things are common
to the Rocky Mountain Ranch and Skinwalk a ranch in
other locations, and some things are not. One of the
weirdest things that we've both have in common, but also different,
if that makes any sense. Are these strange boxes that

(11:07):
were seen, you know, strange sounds orbes paranormal things for
sure in both locations that seems to be, and all
the locations has this paranormal element, a little bit of
the cryptids. One thing that the Meadows didn't have it
were the Rocky Mountain Ranch or it was known as
Clearview Ranch back in the day. Then I was like, Okay,

(11:28):
I'm just gonna disclose where the location is. It's in
a you know, Elbert County in Colorado. But they didn't
have the mutilations out there in you know, the Meadows project.
So that's one thing that's a bit different. But I
love the work that Trey and his team are doing.
Trade just came out with another great book and he
actually breaks it down on a graph in his new book.

(11:50):
You know, what are commonalities as far as you know
the strange sounds and things like that from some of
the well known hotspots for high schooliness.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
So and I say all that to kind of bring
us to a place where we can understand what a
little bit of tonight better because what we're going to
be talking about, and what I've been talking about a
lot lately on the show, and we even touched on
a little bit in the form of the Forbidden is

(12:24):
a very complex situation, but as you said, not so uncommon,
and that is global. It doesn't just happen on Skinwalker Ranch.
It didn't just happen a clear Water. It's not just
happening at the Meadows. While these spots are concentrated and

(12:45):
obviously have some significance. I guess it's the best way
I can put it. What is your take on these
these pinpoints?

Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yeah, a lot of things have been kind of looked
at and discussed, you know, from lay lines and things
like that. But one of the very first things I
did is I took and I would say ninety percent
of them fall into this category of being highly magnetic area.
So I went to the US Geological Magnetic Map and
I looked at places like Sedona's. Like so when a play,

(13:28):
when a location is highly highly magnetized, it's a really
light shade of pink. So you have you know Sedona, Arizona,
Marley Woods, highly Skinwalker Ranch, blind Frog Ranch, the Elbert County, Clearview,
Rocky Mountain Ranch of Colorado, and even in the UK
highly magnetic San Luis Valley where the Snippy the Horse

(13:51):
event took place, highly Well it's highly magnetic in a
really concentrated area, so it's really anomalous magnetically. But also
you Knowvid Pilates in his missing forward one the UFO Connection,
he talks about aquifers, and there was an interesting case
out of Medicine Bo, Wyoming in nineteen seventy four that
involved a box and you know, an alien and all

(14:13):
these kind of high strangest things also, and it's highly
magnetic as well, so there's something to that. And even
within the paranormal world you hear about, you know, the
Stanley Hotel in Estes Park, you have highly magnetized era.
You have these waters or aquifers underground, so right at
right where this ranch sits. And also it's important to

(14:35):
understand the ranch itself of Rocky Mountain Ranch is sixty acres,
but the phenomenon was really affecting all of Albert County,
so it wasn't just located on the ranch itself, very
much like you know Skinwalker Ranch, it's the whole arch
you know, all that area right there, the Mesa Archiletta,
Mason Dulce as well. It's very active, so it's not

(15:00):
is kind of centrally located. It's this whole area. And
so we have certain geological aspects too, of crystals and
granite and things like that. So you put all these
three things together, plus then you add the folklore of
the areas and you hear that with the you know, oh,
it's the Ute tribes and the Chyenne and the command

(15:20):
and all that. So you've taken all these four elements,
and I think it creates something that either allows us
to interact with the phenomena or see it more easily
then maybe other locations, or it's attracting the phenomena to
be there, like Mount Shasta and things that are doing
beyond Skinwalker Ranch too. They're looking at you know, the

(15:43):
rocks and the magnetism and the water, and I think
they're right. I think they're on course for that.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
So Jims would ask, what are the chances of these
places being connected with underground caverns.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
That's one of the very first things reported. And you know,
as soon as johnsh Schusler was one of the founding
fathers for move On and he gave me the briefing document,
and one of the very first things the adults reported
out there when they bought the ranch were like bangs
and sounds and hums very similar to the Taoshum and
they could never identify where these sounds were coming from.
And that's where my mind went first, where you know,

(16:22):
are they digging underground? I obviously we have tunnels all
through the United States, and Colorado is particularly interesting because
we have here in Colorada Springs. I'm right behind Pike's
Peak right now, I'm up in the mountains. Behind Pike's Peak.
We have NORAD and the Air Force Academy and Fort Carson,
and in getting the briefing document, and that's why I said,

(16:44):
we know there was a military presence out there in
the seventies that we're aware of what was happening at
Rocky Mountain Ranch so much so there was a whole
study done right here. It's called the Choppers and the Choppers,
And that was another phenomenon happen where all these marked out,
you know, this military presence of all these blacked out coppers,
and where they related to the animal mutilation deaths and

(17:07):
things like that. So there's no question that there was
a military presence out there on the property. And underground
tunneling is something I've thought a lot about, even with
the Snippy the horse Case and Mount Blanca and the
Dulce base. Are they tunneling from military installations out now
in the time, At the time it was Stapleton Airport.

(17:28):
But I do believe you know, perhaps already DA was
in the works. And there's a lot of mysteries around
the Denver International Airport too, so that is a strong possibility,
right right.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
It is no coincidence that you've already mentioned two of
the three areas that I pinpoint in conversation frequently, which
is Sedona and Mount Shasta. There is what I call
the vortex trying, which includes Mount Shasta, Sedona, and Asheville,

(18:11):
North Carolina. Interesting, all three areas are very intense for
text areas. Asheville is sort of the zenith of that,
the pentacle and the point of that particular area, and

(18:37):
you were kind of within that, almost in the center
in a sense.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
There's another location too, and not a lot of people
are aware of. And I came across this while I
was heading up a team of people in Mufan. It
was called the Mars team, and we took all all
the cases, which was like over ten thousand before their
case management system went online. So these are all the
old paper files and we redacted all the personal information

(19:08):
so we can get them out to the public. I
think it's important to share research and data, and in
that I came across a case called the Ohio Pile
creature case, and it checked all the boxes, and this
is an Ohio Pile Pennsylvania. You know, police were called
cryptids orbs ufo sidings all of it, the strange noises,

(19:30):
and it was really intriguing. So I checked the magnetism
of Ohio Pile. It too is highly magnetic and checks
all the boxes, so they're scattered all over the place,
and of course I'm going cray. I'm putting pins and
Google maps and trying to triangulate and all that kind
of good stuff, you know, And yeah, there's certainly something
to all this, and I do think it's some sort

(19:52):
of interdimensional portal activity. And why I say that is
that very first time on Beyond Skinwalker season one, that
was my first time on the ranch since I was
a kid, and I'm out, I'm out with the team
and we got I knew there was going to be snow,
but this was like heavy blizzard, like crazy. I was
not prepared and I was walking the team back to

(20:12):
where I had this daytime box encounter when I was younger.
And what's interesting is it never made the episode. They
haven't even touched on the boxes. I think it's just
kind of maybe two out there or strange or whatever,
so that that didn't even make the episode. But why
we're walking back to the tree line behind the ranch house.
It was like in our it was snowing so hard
that our footprints were getting covered up really fast. But

(20:35):
here right in front of me and the blanket is snow,
where these bipedal tracks in the snow, you know, pretty
pretty white stride. Then what was strange is they disappeared
and reappeared and then disappeared. So to me, it felt
like something was curious, Like all these decades are going by,
nobody has ever back here at night, and all of
a sudden you have a film crew with flashlights and headlamps,

(20:57):
and like something was curious as to why we were there.
That's what it felt like. And came up and walked
and I don't know, it felt like something was underground
and was interesting. Right there at the ranch, two major
aquifers come together, so you have the Denver and the Dawson,
which means there's different water tables underground which could open
up pigs of questions. Are there caverns under there, you know,

(21:19):
or voids where something could be tunneling or living or
coming in and out of. I don't know, It's just
a theory I have who knows.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Wow. Yeah, so we've talked. You mentioned Snippy a couple
of times on here, and Snippy even came up in
a conversation last week on the form of the Forbidden.
If you guys saw that, If you have not, go
back and check that out on Io Jupiter's channel for

(21:51):
last week before we get into because there's no way
of talking about Snippy and what occurred with this case
without some graphic conversation. Unfortunately, will try to keep it

(22:13):
as as tolerable as possible for those of you that
are sensitive. But I'm going to warn you now that
we're about to enter some kind of gruesome conversation and
there is some material that we're going to present here

(22:35):
that may be a bit much for people that are sensitive.
So to be aware that a couple of the photos
I'm going to pull up, if you are not really
okay with that material, you may want to just like
face another way for a moment. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
It's really sad and unfortunate, these poor animals, and it's
such a mystery, and for a very long time I
kind of steered away from the animal deaths. Number one.
We had still have some really good investigators that have
been really researching and studying this for a long time,
fifty years, you know. And that's what's crazy about it too, Right,

(23:17):
fifty years, we don't we're not any closer to the
truth than we were then. Linda Moulton House started out
back in the seventies tackling the animal mutilations. Christopher O'Brien
has done. I have some of his books here. He's
done a lot. Unfortunately we lost him recently, but you know,
Mysterious Valley Samuis Valley is still very active.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
You know.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
He did enter the valley and did a deep dive
on the snippy case. And Chuck Zukowski is another one
that's doing a lot of work with the animal mutilation.
So it was kind of like, yeah, it's being handled.
It's kind of gruesome. It's sad. I just didn't want
to dive deep into it. But there's no way to
really research the Rocky Mountain Ranch and not tackle the

(24:01):
animal deaths. And so three years ago a gentleman by
the name of Kerry King came up to me and
introduced himself or reached out to me and introduced himself.
And he is the descendant of Nelly King, who owned Snippy.
Snippy was the very first. So it happened in nineteen
sixty seven, and this was before we had internet, in

(24:23):
before viral was viral. Snippy went viral around the world,
the very first recognized animal mutilation death to a three
year old male guilding Colt named Snipper, and they're you
know there what ended up happening. So they have an
event out in the San Luis Valley and they actually
have an event next month, and I hope to see
people out there, so you can. Tickets are available. It's

(24:46):
Snippy twenty twenty five event. If you just put that
in a Google search, the information will come up. There's
a lot of great speakers coming out There. Is going
to be August twenty second through the twenty fourth in
the San Louis Valley. It's kind of a destination spot.
It's dark sky territory and they chose to put the
event with no moon, so I mean you can almost

(25:07):
see the Milky Way just reflected on the ground. That's
how dark sky it is. And every year we've been
there now this will be our third year out there.
In the summertime for this event, we see anomalous UAPs,
especially in and out around Mount Blanca and the Great
Sand Dunes, So there's a lot of things to do
if you come out for the event. There is the
Great Sand Dunes to visit, and it's just a really

(25:29):
cool event. It's outdoors on it's laid back. It's just
a really neat experience. And you can't make it this year,
then next year because it's super super neat event. Doctor
Shock will be there, Mark d' antonio, Trey Hudson will
be out there. I'll be out there, Ben Moss, and
Tony Angola, who I wrote. Tony Angeola wrote the book.

(25:52):
I co authored the Snippy Book with him. He'll be
there and the Paranormal Rangers will be out there as well.
But it's really important about this old Snippy case. Two things. One,
I love historical cases, and if you're new to ufology
or the high strangeness, I think it's so important to
look at these historical cases and there's still so much

(26:12):
to be learned from them. What I thought when Carrie
asked me to kind of Tony and I to really
reopen up this case, and the reason it was reopened
is because of Dave Marler and the work that the
National UFO Historical Record Center out in Real Ranch in
New Mexico acquired the lost APRO files. Now APRO is

(26:32):
the Aerial Phenomenon Research Organization APRO, and they're the ones
who did the original investigation on the Rocky Mountain Ranch
or Clearview Ranch, and they're the ones who are out
there for the Snippy the horse case back in nineteen
sixty seven. While the APRO files went missing for over
thirty seven years, nobody had access to them. And they

(26:55):
I mean a whole wall of the National Historical UFO
Record Center which anybody can go to their website and
visit there, and they have original Project Blue Book APRO
KUFOS NICAP. You know, it would take you five years
to just go through and just touch the surface on
what David has acquired there. It's an amazing place. So

(27:18):
long story short, I go to visit the archives right
after they moved it to their new location, and I'm
there to selfishly try to get more stuff, all the
original APRO stuff from the ranch, and Dave plops down
all the snippy stuff and there's photos that have never
been seen, recordings from the you know, Nelly and Burle
and the police and sheriffs and the Condon Committee looked

(27:40):
at this case. It's a huge case. But what I
didn't know, I didn't know there was all these commonalities
to what was going on in Rocky Mountain Ranch in
the San Luis Valley and the Snippy the Horse case,
from hums to boxes, to cryptids, to evidence on the ground,
to this strange tool Nelly found in the broken Chico

(28:01):
brush which was very similar to the Lonnie Zamora case
you know out there in Secoro, New Mexico, to the
green Ooze to I mean, on and on and on
and every day for six months, my mind was going, Holy,
you're kidding me, You're kidding me. So, yeah, it's an
important case. And the original photos that were in that file,

(28:24):
which included never seen before photos of Mother Lady and
Snippy the three year old cult. So there was a
big controversy for some reason that we can't understand. Burrow Lewis,
who is one of the horse owners, decided to change
the sex and the name of the horse from Lady
to Snippy, and it was this big kind of messy thing.
But we now have photos and one in particular that

(28:47):
really is I mean, there was a whole series there's
like four or five of them where they show Lady
another horse she but after Snippy's mutilation, and those two
horses got really skittish, skittish after what happened to Snippy.
So there was original maps and drawings and all sorts
of information that was never known before about this case.
So it's really important to get that all that new

(29:07):
information that was lost to time out there for people
to really take a second look at.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
So let's before I get into into possibly showing some
other stuff here, let's talk for a moment about this
and here's where where the Unfortunately that we're going to
get graphic for a moment. So this particular image I'm

(29:39):
about to pop up here, this is is this what
we're talking about was Snippy.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
Yeah, so this was one of Snippy's first pictures. So
you know he's still a little blow to but you
can see he's a three year old apple loosa. You
see the Appaloosa markings on him. You can see his
his back left leg is broken as if from dropped
from above, so he was the He had cauterization basically
from the shoulders. Obviously the skin and flesh was removed.

(30:12):
Brain cavity was empty, stomach was empty, powder was found there.
But what's really fascinating about this too is it was
rainy when Snippy went missing, so you could see tracks
of like animals and birds. So at the time, originally
there were four four horses pastured on the King Ranch, Smoky,
a black, Sheba, Lady the Mother, which was a great

(30:35):
a dapple gray, and then three year old Snippy and
Sheba had Smokey had died the week before the black horse,
which what they thought from a rattlesnake bite, but it
bitted on the back of the hip and he was
fourteen hands high and a twelve hundred pound horse. A
rattlesnake in the hip wouldn't have killed Smoky. So we
had a mysterious horse death the week before Snippy. So

(30:56):
that left the three horses, Lady, Sheba and Snippy. So
in that file I sent it to you, there's a
map where you could see the horses were like corralled
in a zigzag. Do you have that image there? And
so because the ground was moist, they could see the
tracks of the horse very clearly. So it's as if

(31:16):
a light or an orb or something were corralling and
spooking the horses in the zigzag pattern. Then you see
Snippy milling in a circle like this, okay, and the
other two horses, Sheba and Lady, run back to the
ranch house. Snippy is then picked up by something I

(31:36):
don't know what, there's no tracks and is dropped from
above where he lay. So something spooked these horses. And
even after the mutilation of Snippy, Sheba and Lady never
acted the same. So I sent you an image to
where one of the investigators, Richmond, was trying to, you know,

(31:58):
approach the horses, which were super friendly before this event,
would take sugar cubes from you. These are all in
the APROO reports. It was fantastic and in the audio recordings,
and after that event, those horses were never the same.
You know, they were very spooped after that event. But
so so many things to this case. You know, circles

(32:20):
in impressions in the ground, which Annie Zamora and Don
Richmond actually took castings of and they were comparing it
to the socorl case. The castings were quite different, the
sides that the shapes were different, but at least they
were looking at it back in the day. And also
there was a ranch right next door to the King

(32:41):
Ranch called Ernest Wellington's Ranch, and it had so many
animals lads on that particular ranch right next door to
the King Ranch that it was dubbed the Dead Cow
Ranch and was really sad as Ernest Wellington, his daughter
actually just reached out to us after the book was written.
She's in Australia now, and you know, it's confirming a

(33:02):
lot of everything in the book. But Ernest Wellington found
that strange, mysterious tool in the Chico brush next to
the mutilated and he dies later and we don't know
if it's related to whatever that green ooze was out
of that tool or gizzard like thing they found in

(33:22):
the Chico brush, But yeah, Ernest Wellington passed away a
week after Snippy after handling that, So that that is
super sad. And again I don't know if it's related
to that tool that they wonder or it's not. But
there's so much to that case.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
I'm going through. And now that I'm we've done the
big thing, I feel a little more confident showing some
of these other photos because they're not as really had so.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
Many graphic pictures. I mean, this book alone, like you
can get the audiobook in you can, but just the
pictures in this that have never been seen before. Aret,
this kind of worth having the book just for the photos.
But they even had cryptoid sightings here. That was another thing.
So in Elbert County the Rocky Mountain Ranch and eyewitnessed

(34:15):
this as well. I was out there in my jeep
with my two youngest kids and this weird like creature
went across the road and I pulled the jeep home.
I'm like, what was that. I thought it was like
a beaver or something that it looked like a platypus.
It had this long it looked like a little platypus.
So we're investigating the Snippy case and Nellie King talks

(34:36):
about seeing a platypus creature in Mount Blanca at Lake
Como and I'm like, oh my gosh. So it's like
cryptids too. And there was a strange track also around
Snippy that I mean could.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Be a bear.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
It doesn't look like a sasquatch, but it's something unusual. Okay.
This was in the a profile so here. This was
a map that they drew right after. Oh that's another thing.
It had sheared off fence posts so much much evidence
in this case, so you can kind of see poor
Snippy laying there. And then you have these you know,
you know, they they put on the map where the

(35:11):
Chico brushes were squashed down, where the tool was found,
where the horse was milling in a circle. Right here,
says Milling, I wish I had a pointer, but this
and then he was dropped was also interesting in these photographs.
His back, it would be his back left leg was
also stripped of the flesh and the fur like the

(35:32):
head and the neck, which wasn't really reported upon, but
you can clearly see it in some of the photographs.
So just so much evidence around this case.

Speaker 4 (35:44):
Right.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
He sent a close up picture of his back leg
and they even drew at the time where you could
see his back right leg was broken as it dropped
from dropped from above. And there were no track marks.
This was muddy. You could see even a bird track.
There were no footprints, horse tracks, nothing, So you know,
it's super mysterious what could have done this to the horse?

(36:09):
And in a chapter of the book really goes into
some of the theories that were given. You know, at
first the sheriff Ben Lightning, Ben, Yeah, there you could
see how they drew it. So the horse, the leg
looks clearly broken from above, and you can see the
apple loosa spots on there as well. But Ben King
thought it was lightning. Clearly we can rule out lightning.

(36:30):
There's been other animals struck by lightning. There was no
evidence of lightning around so And another weird theory was
this tripod that they said people built this tripod and
brought on a big, you know, vat of acid and
then hung poor Snippy up and dunked his head. And
I mean, just like if there if that were the case,

(36:52):
we would have footprints and track prints and all sorts
of things left behind. This just silly, but the funniest
one to me. And there was even a newspaper article
about this, that they were radioactive ants that did this
to Snippy, you know. And and the thing is okay,
even before this all through the valley in nineteen sixty six,
and even prior to that, there's tons of ORB sightings,

(37:15):
UFO sightings, strange homes like the Taos Hum. I mean,
it's just the whole valley. That's why there's books written
about the mysterious Valley cryptids and on and on so
you know, those theories were just kind of you know,
got to look at it and just shake your head
and go, boy right right.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
That's the thing is like when oh my god, So
I'm kind of going through and looking at some this
is actually a photo of Snippy before the so encounter.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
Here that's the best photo because when I when we
first found that Dave Marlin and me and Tony, I
was just like, oh my gosh, here it is the
never seen photo of poor Snippy as a three year
old cult And what's wonderful about this too? Like today,
we all take thousands of phones on our pictures on

(38:14):
our cell phones, and so we don't typically go and
get them developed very often. So but these, you know,
they're all like marked on the back or they had
the commentary or written. So it was really neat that
they did this and it said three year old Snippy
or this was one month old Snippy with mother lady.
So that's his mother lady right there, the great dapple gray.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Yeah, there's It's so funny because I'm looking at some
of these now and I'm thinking, wow, this totally brings
me back to when we used actually have to wait
on our photos to get out to see them.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Yeah, I love that the one with Lady and Sheba
after I think there's a woman there trying to approach
the horses, and you can see where they wrote below
the photo, and I love what it says on that.
And as we're trying to just reopen this case and
look at all the documents and you know, all the
evidence there, the recordings and the photographs and all that,

(39:21):
to have those photographs with them written upon was so
helpful to answer or fill in some of these gaps.
So we didn't really have the correct information on So
I don't know if you have that picture there that
you could show of Lady and Sheba after Snippy's death
and has the words underneath the photo, and I would

(39:42):
like to share that if you have it.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Let's see, is that the one where the horses where
you see them.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
From the back, Yeah, yeah, and his tales like tucked
under this probably that one. I kind of sent you
these last minute. I apologize I should win a.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Sooner well, and when honestly I was a little a
little concern about rap we're going to go.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
But when the book cover, you know, it's hard to
get an advertised because because of the graphic nature of
the cover, they won't allow us to run an AD,
so I we're halfway thinking of having to redesign the cover.
But this was an original drawing from nineteen sixty seven
from the case, so it was kind of neat to
put that on the cover. And the backs those were

(40:47):
both original nineteen sixty seven sketches done from back in
the day, So it would be kind of disappointing to
have to switch them just for ads. But it is
what it.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Is, right xactly.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
I mean the other thing too, that was fascinating about
this case, and you know, they had other animals on
the King Ranch, and these animals were had like signs
of radio activity. Their hoofs are growing extra long, they're
going blind. So and this was reported all throughout this area.
So something's happening to these animals and even humans were experiencing,

(41:25):
you know, neurological effects, migrain, headaches, you know, blindness. There
it is. That's that's one of the other ones. The
other one said, so this one says Lady and Sheba
and pastor King Ranch Alice Richmond foreground. Another one says,
like Lady and Sheiba the only witnesses to Snippy's murder,
but they're Snippy's mom and them after in the pasture

(41:49):
where Snippy was mutilated.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
Said that, Yeah, I think there was a whole series
of these photos, and you know they had the photos
too of like the fence posts being shared off, all
the holes in the ground, the Chico brushes everything.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
So I was just amazed at how well documented this
case was and what a shame to have it go
missing all those years when there's so much to be learned,
Like I just couldn't believe even the box encountered. This was,
you know, one evening, and Nelly had a hard time
wrapping around around all these things that were happening at
the time. This place, even to this day, there's no lights.

(42:30):
They didn't have electricity. They used two A radios to communicate.
It's still so dark out in this area. And they
witnessed something that at first thought was a college prank,
you know, strange hose with his ball of light on it.
There were wrap just chasing cars and much just case

(42:52):
after unusual things out there.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yeah, yeah, I think I think the video the image
led me. I made it really simple for myself. I
just titled it Witnesses.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
Yeah, it was also really good to have these photos
of all the four horses that were on the ranch,
and they all have different markings on their legs and
on their bodies, so it was made it much more easier.
There it is that one here that's Mother Lady Lady,
Snippy's mother. These two horses she ben Lady were the
horses that were with Snippy impastor when killed. Only witnesses

(43:33):
to Snippy's murder.

Speaker 5 (43:35):
M hmm.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
And one of the things I want to point out
about this is that and these Snippy was an early case,
like the only the one that really kind of brought
the media's attention to the mutilations. Yeah, Now, there are

(44:02):
very big differences between these early cases and the latter cases.
There's things that happened in the latter cases that it
seems like the things like missing tongues and eyes and

(44:25):
stuff like that and so forth. In the cattle mulations
in particular, we're consistent and ladder events from these here.
What's your take on that? How do you feel about

(44:46):
how very different.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
These Yeah, in some cases that's true. But however, even
with maybe the blood was drained from this animal and
what really was kind of interesting to me oftentimes, you know,
we hear things, you know, decades through the years of
you know, commonalities for true animal mutilations that are mysterious,

(45:08):
And one of them is that other animals will not
approach to eat on them, right, And that was reported
even in the Snippy case. And even on that map
that you showed earlier, you could see where coyote droppings
were around the horse, and you could see animals almost approaching,
like here, these little I can't point to it, but

(45:30):
those little arrows with the little droppings those were. But
they never approached Snippy. They didn't eat on Snippy, they
stayed away. And later in the documents it stated that
eventually when the animals coyotes did try to eat on them,
they died a dysentery. There was also high radiation readings
around Snippy, but the closer you got to the horse themselves,
the radiation readings went down. Another thing that was reported

(45:54):
I found fascinating was something we hear about in these
strange locations, which is the Knus silence, which I've experienced personally.
Actually out in Pioneer Town, California, we had a ConA
silence experience. But they reported that back in nineteen sixty
seven with Snippy, where everything just was no bugs, no birds,

(46:16):
no bees. So all these tailtale signs of a true
animal mutilation, the cauterization, the blood being drained, animals not
approaching the ConA silence, they were reported in the Snippy case,
and that really fascinated me. I'm like wow, And that
was before people knew what to report. It kind of
started there, you know, and doctor LEA. Sprinkle was one

(46:37):
of the investigators out on this case. And to see
old pictures of Leo out there doing his investigations and things,
it's really interesting. You know.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Now when you mentioned the cone of silence, this is
one of the things I was talking about in the
forum last week. Was one of the things I found
very interesting was that in this as you say, cone
of silence, I kind of it felt to me almost
like a vortech, like it's just a vacuum of There

(47:11):
was no nothing. There was no sound, there was no
stirring of air, there was no smell, there was nothing.
It was literally void of anything sensory even, and just
my impression was walking into a very sterile, almost non

(47:39):
existence existent area, if that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
It's a perfect way to describe it, and you've experienced that,
it sounds.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Like, oh yeah, yeah. When there was some mutilations in
South fannes See back during the nineties that I went
to invest and it was the first time I ever
really touched on an investigation for a mutilation. But one

(48:08):
reason the same as you're saying, it's like a lot
of other people were already doing that, but somebody looking, hey,
I've run across this paper. It was a local paper.
It was like one of those four or five six
page newspapers from a local area that talked about the mutilations.

(48:29):
He said, I know these people like you want to
go and check this out. And I went with to
do this, and yet it was the weirdest, weirdest feeling
that I've ever experienced. And I've had some pretty crazy experiences,
but this one. Stepping into that that cone there was

(48:52):
just like it was otherworldly. It was just otherworldly and
one of the things that we experienced and I saw myself,
and I think part of that is because the guy
that I was with already knew what was going to happen.

(49:14):
But there was this flaky substance that we found on
around part of the wounds, and he, knowing full well
because he'd been on these cases before, picked it up
with tweezers and try to put it in a bag.
And the minute that he did that, it turned into

(49:37):
a liquid. It went from a flaky solid to a liquid.
And when that happened, it was like to me, it
was kind of like, Okay, nothing is really going on here.
But this this thing that he just put this in

(49:57):
came from outside this cone. So did that have something
to do with the liquefying of the substance that was
We won't We don't know, but it was very interesting
that something that was a foreign object that touched something
like that caused reaction, right.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
Yeah, that was interesting in the Snippy case too, and
her Nellie Lewis and Ernest Wellington went over to the
Chico bush and and found that tool. They described it
as like a gizzard shaped liver. And so Nelly picks
it up with a couple of sticks, you know, and
pokes at it, and this green paste ooze comes out
of it, and I had not heard that before, Like,

(50:40):
what the heck is that? And then it burns her hand,
and her hand is burning for like an hour until
she finally goes back into four miles to her cabin
and washes her hands. So, you know, what is that
about one of the strangest animal mutilation cases that I went.
I did an interview with a woman that grew up
in Elbert County and you know, right by the Rocky

(51:00):
Mountain ranch. Her whole family generational out there, and so
she moved to Wyoming. Drove to Wyoming an interview about
her about all the cattle they lost back in the day,
and right out of high school, so this would have been,
you know, late seventies, early eighties. Her and her husband
moved to Rama, Colorado, which is just right outside of
Elbert Counties, right there, right by all the high strangeness

(51:22):
and the black forest and all that. And her husband
was out on horseback checking the cows for calves. She
said he came across a dead calf. But what's interesting
about this and what blew my mind too, she has
the original photos that she sent me of this. So
he approaches a calf like what happened to you? Four

(51:43):
incisions one, two, three, four in a perfect square. The
top of the fur was removed, but the skin was
still there. So he gets on the horse goes back
to the ranch and gets my witness. They come back
in the pickup truck. She said that took twenty twenty
five minutes to come back. That calf had been cauterized,

(52:03):
blood drained, organs removed, and she sent me pictures of
what a calf looks like. I mean, they're graphic, but
when a coyote jumps on it and just tears at it.
She said, this was miles off the county road. They
didn't hear anything. There were no tracks other than what
the horse had left earlier, so no footprints, no nothing.
They said they felt watched it was eerie. It could

(52:26):
not explain it. It terrified them. That just blew my mind.
It's like he came upon this calf during a mutilation,
which is really interesting because it was four incision work
cuts boom boom. I don't know if they were lasered
boom boom boom, and they were just getting ready and
were able to just vanish and then come back and
finish the job. But that case really blew my mind

(52:50):
because it was like they interrupted a mutilation in progress
and then you hear these that are like animals drop
from above, you know, found in trees like out in
Trinidad and Tom Miller, I went out and interviewed them
as well. There's a couple interviews with Tom and Sally
Miller on my Rocky Mountain on YouTube channel, and I
really got into the high strangeness or hitchhiker phenomenon that

(53:13):
they really started kind of talking about in Skinwalkers at
the Pentagon, which is a hitchhiker phenomenon. And I talked
to the Millers a lot about that as well, because
where I compartmentalizes and then connect it back in the day,
now I know what it is. It's that hitchhiker stuff.
But Miller's experienced that as well. And they said something
to me really interesting, they said, because I asked them.

(53:34):
I said, you know, all these ranchers that are experiencing
these animal desks, you know, are they too experiencing the
hitchhiker stuff, the paranormal stuff, all the high stranger stuff.
And she said, it's fascinating because it's as if who's
ever mutilating these cattle are picking and choosing the ranchers
just as much as the cattle or the animals. So

(53:56):
where certain ranches they don't ever get taught. You know,
but certain ranches do. And I find that kind of
I don't know if anybody's ever really done a deep
dive on that, but I thought that I haven't thought
about that one. But they too have had the hitchhiker
stuff out there in Trinidan.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
And what you say rings very true to what I
was talking about. Like the area that this this event
that I went to was that is literally surrounded by farmland.
I mean, it's nothing but farmland and little towns all
around it. And yet out of all these it's one place.

(54:36):
Why the one place, and why the one group of cattle?

Speaker 3 (54:43):
Well, and another thing she said too, She said, in
the pastures where the mutilations are occurring, the animals are
very calm and huddled together, as if almost paralyzed or
hypnotized or something. And then the adjoining pastures, she said,
they were freaked out. So there's something to that. And
I had a woman come up to me one time
and said, do you think because there have been boxes

(55:05):
I'm seeing and reported around animal deaths, animal mutilations, and
are they part Are they emitting a frequency or a
tone or a hum that's calming these cattle? And I
saw the question there how quickly do you think these
mutilations are taking place. Could be a minute or less.
I mean, it seems to me like they're happening rather quickly.

(55:29):
Obviously it might take longer to drain the blood, but
I don't know. I've also heard, you know, through other
researchers that maybe they're interested in the blood because it's
high in copper and if et or whatever, need those
types of minerals, because that they might absorb nutrients through
their skin and not ingest it like we do. And

(55:49):
maybe they're taking these vital organs the tongue, the eye,
the ear, the general regions and the blood to maybe
you know, either make food pills like in the Carl
Higgen or they're using it and putting it on their
skin and then they just leave the carcass there. That
being said, I'm not saying these are ets and extraterrestles
that are doing this. I don't know. Part of you know,

(56:11):
part of it could be our own military doing that. However,
I find that hard to believe, also because we don't
have a lot of evidence that that's occurring, you know,
and in the day, early in the day, they thought
they were you know, Satanic colts and stuff like that.
I think we can pretty safely rule that out. And
you know, I flew to Florida to to interview the

(56:35):
Bill Waugh was the under sheriff in Elbert County and
he's in Linda Milton House a Strange Harvest her movie.
But Bill Waugh was the under sheriff. He witnessed the box.
He saw a box and a tree go underground. But
he was there for all these animal deaths. And in
the sheriff's office in Elbert County, they had a map
so every time there was an animal mutilation, which, by

(56:56):
the way, norarad It said, the Air Force direct they
had an order to downplay the amount of animal desks.
So they were trying to because people were just freaking
out arming themselves. I get high alert. Everybody was like,
oh my god, they're going to go to humans next.
I mean, it was crazy. The governor, the state governor

(57:18):
got involved, the Color of Your Investigations got involved. It
was like a big deal. But anyway, so he has
this map in the police station and he would map
like a mutilation happened at this time this location in Montana.
And at the same time it's happening in Elburg County
and you know Texas, and I mean it was clear
across the whole Midwest. And I know Chris O'Brien did
some work on that, like trying to look at nuclear

(57:39):
fallout sites and different locations that maybe they're looking at
the groundwater or matt cow disease or all these different theories.
But it certainly doesn't answer for how strange some of
these things. You know, there's just no answers for some
of this stuff.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
Right right, pam ask where they're coming threads and the
ranches that were affected.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
Yeah, that's a good question, Pamela. I think that's something
that really has been overlooked and I would love to Unfortunately,
now since this has been going on for fifty plus years,
most ranchers won't report mutilations. So something that happened, you know.
Having the opportunity to you know, work with a Beyond

(58:23):
Skinwalker team and getting to know some of the ranchers
in the area, I've been able to ask, you know, hey,
is this still going on? And I've had a couple
of ranchers now reach out to me. Yeah. Our prize
five five hundred dollars bowl was out in the middle
of the day, just fine, and come out there and
check out them. Two hours later, mutilated middle of the day.

(58:44):
No helicopters, no people, no trucks, no nothing. So yes,
it's still occurring. In fact, his name's Carl, I'll leave
his last name out. But he's an older gentleman in
his nineties now that had animal deaths in the seventies
during the high point of all this, and he still
pastures cattle out in Woodland Park, Colorado. So I'm interviewing Carl,

(59:08):
talking to him, you know, what do you think they
are blah blah blah, and he says, yeah, for the
past three fourth of July is in a row. I've
had a mutilated cattle in Woodland Park, Colorado, fourth of July.
So he gave me the location where this is occurring,
which is by Red Rock Campgrounds. So we go on
location first of all, Fourth of July weekend, right by

(59:29):
a campground. This is the busiest time of the year.
There's tons of people out there, there's power they're finding
these dead cow, these mutilated cow under power lines. No
helicopters are going to go in and out of that
area unnoticed. He's not reporting them. I just found out
down the road from US and Guffy. There's a rancher

(59:49):
that's having mutilations quite frequently, never reports them. Doesn't want to.
He doesn't want the publicity, the stigma. They know nothing's
going to happen. Oftentimes ranchers will just write them off
on their So you know, that's a good question too.
Where their higher radiation levels around the area with Snippy
was found. Yeah, outside of the area, so there were

(01:00:10):
there was a seventy five foot diameter circle at the
Snippy location, which also was fascinating to me because of
the famous landing site up beyond Skinwalker in the Apple
Reports was seventy five feet in diameter. And then you know,
if you watch Investigation Alien with George Knapp, they're talking
to ranchers in Oregon that are having mutilations right now,

(01:00:32):
and there was a seventy five foot and diameter circle
found there as well. So there's something to this seventy
five foot diameter circle. Not only was the radiation reading
is higher, but it was like reverse, So when they
got closer to Snippy, the radiation readings dropped. They went
lower instead of higher. It should be opposite, So there's
something to that. It's really interesting. Yeah, I do believe

(01:00:56):
that to somebody asked to I think that whatever the
bipedal creature well traveling through Yeah, possibly, I think there's
something underground, and even I think at Skinwalker Rancher there
was reported. You know, they're looking through their professional night
vision goggles and they see something open and this creature
come out of it. I'm sure something like that might

(01:01:19):
be happening at Rocky Mountain Ranch as well.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
So one of the things in him kind of hinted
on this too, and you kind of brought this question inevitable,
I guess, not question, but a bit of the puzzle
into into play by mentioning the possibility of humans being next.

(01:01:48):
There are actually reports of humans that have been found
to be victims of mutilations very similar.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
I think we're horrifying to see. They're so graphic. There's
one in particular, I won't get into it, but it's
burned into my brain now and I kind of wish
I never saw it, because I mean, this woman was
in her seatbelt in her car and it was very
similar to a cattle mutilation, and I'm just was horrified

(01:02:21):
to see that. It's scary, it's really scary. Fortunately we
don't hear a lot about that. But then again, there's
a lot of people that go missing. It makes you wonder,
I hope that's not the case.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
I mean, well, and it's very interesting the the strange
cases of just people literally vanishing from without a trace,
seemingly like at night a lot of times, and so forth.

(01:02:58):
Sebastian Rodgers is a big here in the Nashville area
of a young boy who went missing from his home
in the middle of the night. Not just last year,
was it last year? I think it was just a
few months ago, you could. Yeah, still no clue whatsoever

(01:03:20):
what happened there, And there's been no evidence at all.
And where he the area that he lived at was
in the metro area of Nashville, so it wasn't often
the middle of nowhere. There had to be ring cameras around,
there had to be something around two that could have

(01:03:41):
picked up evidence of something. And yet there's no evidence.
This child just vanished. So when it comes to the
missing people aspect, it does make you wonder, is there
a connection with all of this?

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
Yeah, right, I know, And I know for a lot
of people like this is the you know, I hate
to use that term dark side of ethology, but it
is a it's pretty scary, it's frightening, it's graphic, it's
hard to take a look at, you know, and we
can't really ignore that that's happening. And it continues to happen.

(01:04:20):
And what was surprising to me, you know, getting to
you know, meet some you know, Paul Sinclair in the
UK and the work that they've done out there, and
to learn you know, they're like a whole ratch of
like kangaroos, I've heard of, even sea creatures, sheep, there's
articles about dog like so it's not just cattle. So

(01:04:40):
I think Christopher O'Brien was right when he coined, you know,
animal deaths in Linda as well. So yeah, it's a
part of this whole phenomenon that is just kind of
unnerving to say the least, and it continues to this day.
I don't know other what other to say about than that.

(01:05:00):
And I do hope though, that more people start reporting
them again because we can't just ignore it and put
it under the rug.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
We got to look at it right, right, and there
is so many other things that we could connect on
and talk about in relation to all of this one
of the things I would like to do is to
bring you back on to discuss some of the other
things that we'd even have touch tonight, because there's so much.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
There's so much there's I would love to talk to
you more about the whole military aspect of things, and
the foyers and interceptors and all the MK ultra side
of things. I'm kind of going down. I've been led
down that rabbit hole more and more and more just recently.
So this is a whole other area, and I think

(01:05:49):
it certainly plays an important role at least to a
few different areas and possibly even the Miller Ranch in Trinidad.
There's a whole Army military training base out there. But
we certainly can't overlook the military, uh you know, Norad
Air Force MK ultra connection to some of these locations.

(01:06:11):
And then there's also the other part which is equally
important too, and that's our role as experiencers and how
we interact and manifest some of these things to occur
as well, and that kind of gets into the occult
practices and all that. So there's so many moving pieces
to these high strangest locations that involved the actual unknown,

(01:06:33):
the military, government, mk Ultra and then our own interactions
as well and the Earth. So you have to add
all these together. And that's why, you know, as curious people,
that's why there's so many podcasts about this, because there's
a lot to unravel and a lot to really discover
with all of this, with both paranormal and UFOs cryptids,
they're all tied together somehow, you know, maybe we're in

(01:06:56):
a matrix and that it's to me, that's the best.
I'm like, I love that theory, Thomas Campibell's theory of
the Big Oh. That explains everything. Okay, I'll go with
that one.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
It's very difficult to when you talk about these things,
like I've been trying for a decade now to put
enough of thoughts together to start a series of books
on the different things that I've discovered and believe to

(01:07:32):
be true on all of this, because I've been doing
this literally, I was an experiencer from gosh, if I
really wanted to try to pinpoint it, probably five or
six years old forward, and so it's been a lifetime
of insanity and in that time period you kind of

(01:07:57):
start to build some thoughts on it. One thing I
do want to ask you before before we round out
the night, because this is kind of a thing. There's
a school, there's schools of thought, a growing school of
thought on the internet. Now, is that somehow all of

(01:08:21):
this goes back to one word, the nephilum?

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
Do you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
What is your take on that? What's your thought on that?

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
I meaning, like the watchers in the Ananaki and the
ancient alien theory. You know, I'm guilty. I'm guilty of
watching several seasons of Ancient Aliens and I think there's
some really important work there and clues ancient art, ancient artifacts,
you know, Graham Hancock and the work they do, like

(01:08:53):
I said, even the Occult and Tim Hogan and the
work they do. So thank goodness we have podcasts and
internet and chat, GBT and GROC and all these places.
Now that's really opening. I mean, I'm tying together and
we can talk about this next time. A program that
I was put into in the Denver Tech Center during
my ranch years with Thomas h. Bdinski And thanks to

(01:09:15):
you know, Chat, GBT and things, I can type him
hint and learn about this guy in the program I
was in, and I'm find out he was worked on
the SR seventy one. Blackbird out of Area fifty one
was read into Black Access Projects, which later became worked
with the Monroe Institute and the Stargate Program and the
Gateway Project. It's a long story, and we'll have another

(01:09:36):
episode about all this, but that also plays a role
in it. I'm like, it's blowing my mind. But we
wouldn't have this information without the things we have now
that can just look really quickly at the data in
the Internet and put it together for us. That's why
these older cases are really going to come into play now,

(01:09:57):
just like the Snippy case, where I thought it was,
you know, a sad, sad story of the first animal
mutilation horse, not knowing all the other connections, you know,
And now we're able to go back and tie all
these places and people and experiences together. So it's it's
just I think we're I really do believe we're going
to have more answers in the next few years thanks

(01:10:18):
to AI. And I've always been kind of one of those, Oh,
I don't because I'm a little bit older, old school,
I don't want to merge with it. I don't want
I was always very fearful of AI. But it is
a great tool right now, it's been a great resource.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
So it has been a great resource. It helps me
out a lot with a lot of things right now,
case in point, trying to do thumbnails and so forth
like that, even for the podcast, which I'm finding more
and more trying to develop all of that early, earlier

(01:11:01):
than and in different and better ways than what I
was doing at one time. It is very helpful. But then,
like you said, just the amount of knowledge, can you
still hear me?

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
I can?

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
Yeah, Okay, there we go. Yeah, for some reason I
went dark here for the second audio wise, and I
was like, wait a minute, the I lost my train.
I thought, now too, benefits.

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
Of the thumbnails and things for I am I agree.
I love that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
Well not only that, but like I literally just went
in tonight and said to chat cheap too, I said,
do you know who Katie Page is? And I immediately
pulled up this large, large thing. It was like I
didn't even have to specify which Katie Page knew exactly
what I was looking for because I've worked with it

(01:12:02):
enough now it knows what kind of materialize. Yeah, And
so there was this overwhelming amount of stuff that that
that Chatchype two pulled up right away, and I was like, Okay,
so now I've got a whole book that I need
to read just on this one answer question. But it's

(01:12:24):
very beneficial. It's very beneficial. We are definitely going to
have you back. There are so so, so very many
things I want to go over with you and ask
about dealing with just all the things. I mean, you

(01:12:47):
are literally a university of questions and answers and knowledge
and experiences, and it is it is definitely worth folks
understanding and hearing and learning about if they're interested in

(01:13:13):
anything with paranormal you, apology, all things, all the things.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
Yeah, I think I appreciate that. I'd be happy to
do that. Certainly. All of these different phenomenon just pulls
us in so many directions. And when you're an experiencer
like yourself and so many thousands of other people out there,
whether it's paranormal or cryptids or UFOs, like I said,
I think they're all intertwined, all interconnected. I think we

(01:13:42):
all play a role in that. I love the direction
now of the telepathy tapes and opening up the size stuff.
I think that's connected as well. And this will just
tug you, it'll lead you down so many different roads,
and I guess my advice to people is really follow
that path. I mean, I don't believe in I mean,

(01:14:03):
there's no such thing as coincidence, right, So if you
really open the door to really learn and understand what's
happening in your own experiences, it'll kind of guide you
down and help you along whatever it is, whether you
call me your spirit guides or angels or loved ones
or whatever. And I've done that on my journey, and

(01:14:24):
I love that magical journey it is, and it guides
you down and just follow those interests and passions. And
really it's so hard now. I mean, we talked about
the benefits of AI, but there's also the downfall of AI,
which there's so much information out there now. I feel
like we're all getting overwhelmed and we don't know what's real.
You see a video and my first like, now I

(01:14:46):
see something like, oh, it's fake, it's fake. I'm more
of a skeptic than people think. I really amn't. I'm
kind of jaded when it comes to believing. You know,
what the military has to say or our government has
to say, because they've been keeping secrets for seventy some
years about this topic. Why are they now? Are they

(01:15:08):
going to tell us now that I'm going to believe
the truth. I'm a little jaded that way, so, you know,
and I say that to all your listeners, you know,
especially if your younger ones, learn some of your history,
really do some research and don't take everything as truth,
because there's a lot of cover up still going on
when it comes to this topic. And it's not about

(01:15:28):
it's not all about the UFOs and alien cover up.
It's about some truths with maybe some dark projects that
they had in the past they don't want to expose.
And you know, even you know in Noburgh County, I'm
learning about you know, drug contraband and other things that
were going on that are nefarious, and they're like, yeah,
it's it's UFOs. Look that way. Why they're doing something
over here that they don't want you to look into.

(01:15:52):
So there's a lot of messy stuff going on. So
just follow your passions and your interests and let your
intuitive sides kind of guide you that way.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
Wow, and you really just drove home. The question I
usually asked to close out the night is what closing
thoughts do you have? I'm going to go in and
close us out for the night. If you'll hang back
for just a moment, I will talk with you in

(01:16:23):
just a moment then.

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
Okay, Well, thank you for having me and thanks everybody listening.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
Thank you again. I can't thank you enough for coming
on tonight. We appreciate you. Okay, guys, there you have it.
There's a lot to digest there. I apologize for for
the graphicness of the content tonight. You guys know though,

(01:16:50):
there are times when we're going to be touching on
some stuff that is not always warm and fuzzy and friendly.
So just be aware. And if you made it this
far and you watch the host show tonight, leave me

(01:17:10):
a comment on what you think about the animal mutilations.
Do you think it is? There's there's a point to
it all, obviously there is. What do you think that
point is? Do you think it's alien government, some kind

(01:17:31):
of weird wacky cult that has a lot of really
great technology. What's your thoughts on it? Leave me a
comment below. Meanwhile, you guys, have a good, safe weekend.
Do not forget to like, share and subscribe, and may
your journey always be magical?

Speaker 5 (01:17:59):
What is so long to see?

Speaker 3 (01:18:02):
When you come back to me through the walls and battles.

Speaker 5 (01:18:07):
That were lost. We're born again. It's you and me.
The rest is History pass sizes.

Speaker 4 (01:18:38):
We danced together in different fifteen hundreds.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
End.

Speaker 5 (01:18:46):
We must still be loved.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
We must have the sofer

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
Love pass life.