Portals_ Obrs and High Strangeness_ The Meadows Project with Treu Hudson

What if the veil between worlds wasn’t just thin… but torn open? Welcome to The Meadows Project—a stretch of land in the American South that rivals Skinwalker Ranch in high strangeness. From glowing orbs and cryptid sightings to vanishing time and whispers of interdimensional portals, this location is home to some of the most chilling, unexplained phenomena on record. In this episode of Magical Journey Podcast: Between Worlds, we explore the hidden dangers and eerie truths of a place known only to a few—and feared by even fewer who’ve dared to investigate.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Love, love, love, money, one never any on my nom
my no man, I have had a father when I

(01:39):
have had.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
And Hello everybody, and welcome to Magical Journey Podcast. I
am your host, Daniel Ian Cahun. How need to get
that middle name back in there again?

Speaker 3 (02:26):
I have you.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Heard about a place called Skinwalker Ranch? Well, you know what,
We're not going to talk about that tonight. We're going
to talk about something more localized for me, that's personally.
After reading what I've read about it, find it to
be even more more gripping than Skinwalker personally. That's my

(02:53):
personal opinion. You guys who have followed me for a
while are know what tonight's show is about because I've
been talking it up all week long. But before we
get to that, I want to tell you guys, I
got my cop ready tonight from Mystical Mountain Creation Jenny.

(03:18):
Thank you again, it's ready to go, ready to keep
me hydrated. And also, if you did not see Tom's
show tonight, The Eye of Jupiter, please go back and
check the episode of it coming up. Anna, thank you
for coming in tonight. I kind of knew you were

(03:40):
going to show up, all right, Ladies and gentlemen, I
gotta tell you tonight, if you are a reader of
the paranormal, you are going to want to catch.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
In this book.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
In particular. This is the first one, but the second
one just came out, and I'm not going to spoil
it anything with this because I want my guest to
talk up his work as well, but I won't. Welcome
to the stage, Trey Hudson. Oh, Hey, how are you doing.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
I'm great, I'm great. Thanks for having me this evening.
I hope everybody's doing great out there. You know, it's
it's kind of a steamy, you know, damp, wet blanket
of a day here in America is south Land. But
I hope everybody's doing.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Great, definitely, And thank you for showing tonight, because I
gotta tell you I.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Have been.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Following your work for a bit, but really diving into
it recently. And for those that may not know, I
can't imagine at this point people not knowing. But for
those that may not know, tell us a little bit
about you and your books, which explains a little bit

(05:03):
about what we're going to talk about tonight. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yeah. The the books, both The Meadow Project and Return
to the Meadow, are about a mysterious place here in
America's southland.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
And you know you made a a rather you bold comment,
you know when you said it. You think it rivals
and is up there with Skinwalker Ranch there in the
outside of Vernal, Utah and you went to Basin and
there in our Utah. And that sounds kind of like
a bold statement, you know when I, uh, the subtitle

(05:39):
of the first book is the South Skinwalker Ranch, and
it was really uh reassuring when somebody knows less than
Ryan Skinner, who literally wrote the book on Skinwalker Ranch.
That's kind of where I got into reading about Skinwalker Ranch,
you know, in conversations with him, where he says that
I think the meadow is actually more active than Skinwalker Ranch.

(06:04):
There's more going on there. And so you know, to
hear people like you say that, it just really validates,
you know, my past nine years of work that you know,
myself and my team have been digging into because we
have put a tremendous amount of effort, a lot of research,
you know, hours and I'm not talking about research sitting
you know, in a library behind a computer, but actually
boots on the ground, you know, days and days and days,

(06:26):
and you know, hot weather, cold weather, dry weather, wet weather,
you know, gathering this data so we can share this
adventure with people. You know, That's really what I do
is I want to share this adventure, in this opportunity,
in this experience with the whole world, so maybe they
can get something out of it, and at least they'll
be entertained and at most they'll be enlightened. But either way,

(06:48):
I'll take either one.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Can I tell you this, gosh, I was like probably
three months after my ninth birthday, I had my first
real taste of research, really researching paranormal events and so forth.

(07:17):
I learned how to research before I learned to research,
if that makes sense, And because I was an inquisitive child.
But I have been part of investigations to Teleedim Brown incident,
a lot of things, to be honest with you, and
I have never come across anything like this where everything

(07:41):
was folding together into one area, in an area that
I'm very familiar with, if that makes sense. So because
a lot of my early experiences took place in the
same regional area that you guys are are talking about,

(08:07):
so tell us because correct me if I'm wrong. But
because I've been diving this book for a minute. Now,
your first real taste of things peculiar around the baths,
as we call it, was around night. It was around

(08:28):
twenty fifteen, correct.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
At twenty and sixteen, Yeah, twenty sixteen, is it kind
of it's it's weird to how this all developed, and
I go into it in the kind of the first
chapter of the book is this region, the broader region
is very strange. A lot of high straining is going
on in this region. And then you start narrowing it down.
And I was chasing folklore. Like I was telling you

(08:51):
before the show, I started off as a ghost guy,
you know, which you know I still you know, thoroughly
enjoy you know, traditional paranormal research. I was researching a
haunted the folklore of a haunted road, and it was
one of those just fantastic stories, you know, where there
was a cemetery and a road was built across it,
and the vengeful spirits, you know, are ticked off about

(09:12):
being asphalted over, so they, you know, they'll come out
at night and you know, drag their ghostly fingers across
the side of your cars and the locals say, don't
go down there at not it's them Haines will get you,
you know, and anybody that's been in our rural Appalachia
knows that accent. Uh, And so I was really intrigued
by that. And you're laughing because you've probably heard the

(09:33):
same thing. Yeah, them Haines will get you, for sure.
And so you know, we were researching that in the
Dogone Haunted Road turned out to be a freaking bust.
You know, nothing was going on. It was just kind
of a cool story because we kind of were thinking
it was maybe cryptid related. I had gone out with
a well known crypted researcher by the name of Bob Wilson,

(09:55):
and uh, he had a remarkable event happened back at
base Camp, which was a really cool UFO sighting, and uh,
you know this, this orb came up into the sky
and moved sideways and then winked out. And so we're like,
forget that Haunted Road, nonsense, this is where it's going on.
And you know, he also saw lights up on top

(10:16):
of the ridge, orbs and stuff. So we're like, okay,
base Camp is kind of a you know, witch rocking
and popping, so we'll kind of concentrate there in our
future endeavors. So as we did a little bit more research,
we discovered about half a mile from base camp, and
it's one of those places you have to literally backpack
into into this the meadow. You can't drive to it,
so you have to lug all your gear out there.

(10:37):
And base camp is so remote there's not even a
cell signal. You know, it's like really really really deep
in the middle of nowhere. We found a field, a
big open meadow. You know, it's just beautiful, you know,
just imagine, you know, a meadow, a mountainous meadow here
in America's Southland. It is gorgeous and about eight acre

(11:00):
eight to ten acres, and we thought this would be
a really cool place to research, not because we necessarily
thought anything was going on there, but logistically it made
a lot of sense. You know. Number one, there are
a lot of cryptids, a lot of cryptid reports in
this region. So this big open area made a natural
track trap. Anything moving across it would leave tracks that

(11:21):
we could literally get down and track, you know, maybe
do castings and stuff like that. So that's number one.
Number two is being big and open, we could put
teams out on the periphery of this LPOP teams listening
post observation post teams with night vision and thermals, and
they could see anything moving across the big open area
at night. Number three is there was a ridge to

(11:43):
the south of it that we could put teams up
on that could look down or force and drive things
out in the open so it could be captured on
video or thermal. And last, but not least, number four
is it had a wide open expanse of skies. This
area also had a lot of reports of UFO activity
and both move on in the National UFO Reporting Center.
So logistically it seemed like a really good place to

(12:07):
set up our research efforts, and we were not prepared
for what happened. It is you know, it just literally
is it just off the leash as far as high strangeness,
and so we've been you know, researching it, you know,
very heavily since twenty sixteen, July twenty sixteen, all the
way up until the present. You know, I'm trying to

(12:28):
plan our next expedition out there a little bit later
on in the fall.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
For the record, can you tell us just a little
bit about your background and where where you kind of
come in all too this at.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Yeah, that's a that's a fair question. I was a
child of the seventies. I was born in nineteen sixty four,
and you know, when I lived in Atlanta with my
parents in the seventies, there were a lot of really
cool TV shows.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
You know.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
One of my favorite I just loved watching was In
Search of with Leonard Nimoy. Give you an idea of
how much of a geek I am. I've got the
entire original series on DVD. Just to raise the geekiness
higher is there was another wonderful show called Coleshak The
Nights Talker, which I believe was on NBC. Wonderful a
Gary McGavin starred as Carl Koleshak and I have that

(13:29):
entire series on DVD. And there was also a wonderful
CBS series called Project UFO, which was kind of a
real fictionalized version of Project Blue Book, which, surprisingly enough,
once again, I have the entire collection on DVD. So
I'm that guy, you know. So here I am watching
these shows. And then there were like documentaries that came
out in the seventies that were like pseudo documentaries. One

(13:51):
of my favorite I remember watching in the theater was
Sasquatched the legend of Bigfoot, and it was kind of
a scripted bait, kind of doctor menory about an expedition
up into Canada to find sasquat. So I loved that.
I was like a little maladaptive sponge, you know, absorbing
all this stuff.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
To give you an idea of just how bad it was,
how ate up I was with this stuff. We went
to on a field trip from Atlanta to Washington, d c.
Via bus in the fifth grade, and the teacher said, hey, parents,
buy your kids, you know, activity books and you know,
stuff to keep them occupy it on the drive up there.
So all the other little boys had football magazines and
wrestling magazines and fishing magazine. I was a little weird

(14:31):
kid in the back with big Foot in UFO magazines.
So you know, that was me. And uh so you
know I came across this, you know really uh honestly,
and my dad also had a healthy interest in it,
and uh he bought a uh a book called Gods
of Atlantis by Rod Steiger, which I actually have an
autographed copy of that. And you know, after he got

(14:53):
done reading the book, I read it and I'm like,
this is just you know, how can somebody just not
be just amazed by this stuff. Fast forward, I go
to university and I'm probably wearing my shirt here at
the University of West Georgia. Uh, and they have a
psychology department that it focuses on transpersonal humanistic psychology. And

(15:15):
as it would have it, one of their faculty members
was doctor William Roll, the famous famous parapsychologist. And I
studied under doctor Role and others. So so you know,
I've got you know, some street credits, you know when
it comes to this stuff. So you know, I actually
you know, knew doctor Roll.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
And then we had another guy, uh that would come
and meet with us. And have you ever heard of
the book A Light After Life, After Life by oh yeah, yeah,
doctor not Monroe. Uh, my mind just completely banked. That's
what happens when you turned sixty doctor Raymond Moody. So

(15:53):
doctor Raymond Moody actually uh lives just a few miles
from me currently, but he would come to West Georgia
and he would lecture and he would do like demonstrations
of channeling. So that was a kind of program, you know,
higher education that I that I you know, was was
immersed in. I eventually became a US Army intelligence officer

(16:18):
in the US Army Reserves, and you know, went into
the US Army Reserves, got injured into my military career,
went into federal government, did thirty four years with that,
and then got involved with a local paranormal group in
about two thousand and six, and eventually took the remnants
of that group and brought it into a larger group

(16:41):
called the Anomalist Studies and Observation Group, which not only
looks at ghosts, but looks at the really weird stuff
within a lot of really tough, hard people or you know,
in our team. And so we go out and we
put ourselves in the midst of this really high strange stuff.
So you know, basically you can say I was I
was to it. You know, I've been interested in this

(17:01):
stuff my whole life, and I'm just, you know, blessed
that I'm still able to research and you explore the
strange world around us.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Definitely, Definitely your background is what really impressed me, because
you know, I got to tell you do y'all. Don't
get me confused here, because you know how I am
about our local guys. I love our local researchers and investigators.

(17:31):
But you know, the media, all the clowns online that
want to give people a hard time that believe in
the stuff that we really speak to get answers to.
You know, they'll look at those guys and they're go, well,
you know, they live in the mountains, what do you expect.

(17:53):
But it's really hard for them to point fingers it's
somebody who has the background you have and go, he
doesn't know what he's talking about. He's not educated, because
obviously you are. And that's where it becomes really important
to have people to validate that others will actually respect,

(18:14):
because a lot of times are guys out here risking
their life going into the mountains and so forth don't
get that respect.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
Yeah they should, and that you you touched on something
that you know, I think is really important. And I'll
just go ahead and throw this out. There is anybody
that's looking at getting into this business, you know, and
I'm talking about seriously getting into this business. I would
be absolutely negligent on the border of malfeasance if I
didn't explain that there is a real danger to this.

(18:46):
There's a real physical danger, there's a real psychological danger,
and there's a real spiritual danger. So you know, before
you get into this, really think about you know what
you're doing, and are you really prepared for it, because
things can get danger is really quick. People people die,
Okay I hate to say that, but people die from
effects of this stuff, and uh, you just make sure

(19:08):
it's really something that you're prepared to expose yourself and
your family to.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
Now let's get because there's so much to cover here.
There's no way we're going to be able to cover
it tonight, all of it. But that's okay. We have
a plan for this later. I've already discussed that, guys,
because I know they're gonna they're already going to be
asking me or easy, easy coming back? Kiss. We got

(19:36):
this covered.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
So when you.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
With all of your background, obviously you saw the meadow
as being the perfect spot to be able to observe things.
So when you had everything set up, you really were
not prepared or even considering the idea of what you
were walking into.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
No, no, not at all. I mean, And it started
like right at the beginning. And I'll just run down
what happened to us in July of twenty sixteen, So
you know, we had you know, kind of came across
this area in January, thought it was kind of cool,
and thought, well, let's let's go back during the summer.
So we had a cadre of people come back with us,

(20:23):
you know, people I knew from some other research groups,
you know, here in the southeast, and we kind of
all coalesced together and came to this area to look
at it. And our I kind of run things, and
you can probably tell from reading the book, I kind
of run things like a military operation. Not that we're militaristic.
It just works. It's a good model to run an
operation from. So, you know, we have a tactical commander

(20:45):
who's actually in charge in the field, and then we
have an operational commander who's in charge of the whole
expedition for the entire week or three days or however
long it is. So our tactical commander goes out in
the comes up with a plan of operation, concept of operation,
and what we decided that evening is we were going
to have multiple teams set around the periphery of the meadow,

(21:07):
equipped with a thermal and a night vision and we
were gonna have a single member, Bob in this case.
And you know, Bob was just like a friggin uh
you know, weird magnet.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
And so he uh, what he was going to do
is walk across the top of the ridge solo and
see if he could drive anything down to us, and
also see if he could observe anything. Now, the foliage
was very heavily heavy in July, so odd to him
observing something. We're pretty remote, but you know, we had
a good vantage point down there in the bottom between
this ridge and a large creek. So, uh, we got

(21:46):
set up. Bob came on the radio said, hey, you know, uh,
I forgot something back at base camp. I need to
go back and get it. And so you know, we uh,
you know, the tactical commander said, that's fine. You know,
we're just gonna stay on station or go back get
what you need to do. Let us know when you
get to the bottom of the trail and start going
up the ridge. So we're patiently waiting and then Bob

(22:08):
comes of the radio and he goes, hey, guys, I'm
at the tree across the trail, which is a really
well known landmark for all the people that researched this area.
And he said, I don't know how I got here,
so it's like, okay, you know, first thing I did
is a medic, you know, contacted me. He said, I

(22:28):
think is this medical? So he got on the radio
and he said, okay, Bob, how do you feel? Yeah?
I feel fine. I just don't remember getting to this landmark.
I don't remember the walk fifteen minute walk from base
camp to here. And he says, Okay, do you have
a headache? No, because we're thinking maybe a stroke or something. Okay,
did you fall?

Speaker 2 (22:48):
No?

Speaker 3 (22:49):
Okay? Does is your vision?

Speaker 1 (22:52):
You know?

Speaker 3 (22:52):
Messed up? My vision's fine? Repeat. Mary had a little
land to make sure that he you know, his words
weren't slurred. Can you grimace? Do you have you know,
bilateral muscle function on both sides of the face. Yes.
So you know, we all walk around with a thing
called a normalacy box, and what we do is when
we encounter something weird, we quickly reach into our normal

(23:14):
box and we pull on something that kind of fits.
And we said, that's what it is, because we say
we get comfort at that. That's how human beings work.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
And so.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
We reached into our comfort box and said, okay, Bob
must have just been so focused on the mission, you know,
and our outing here that he just forgot. Like sometimes
you drive up to work and you're like, okay, I
don't remember the drive here. So we panted it off
as normal. Well, it turns out it was anything but normal.
Bob moves up to the top of the ridge, moves
across from h east to west, drops down into the

(23:48):
west end of the meadow, and starts working hisself towards
one of our teams. Now, this team he's working his
way towards is comprised of a gentleman named Darryl and
Timar has a bachelor's degree in management from Georgia Institute
of Technology, pretty high falut in school, and also a

(24:09):
degree a master's degree in public administrative Public administration. Career
firefighter has worked in firefighting services. He's out of it now,
but you management positions and emergency management and all that.
That's Daryl. Tim was a US Army ranger in the
seventy fifth Ranger Regiment in the Reconnaissance Company, a Tier

(24:30):
one special operations guy. Okay. He also has a degree
in philosophy and physics from the Georgia Institute of Technology
Georgia TECH, and he currently at that time was working
on AI to have AI controlled trains, automobiles, things like that.
He worked for a big corporation for that. So two

(24:51):
very credible people, you know, very credible educated, down to
Earth guys. So and I'm laying there's the reason I'm
laying this out because of what I'm getting ready to
tell you is is a little strange. So they see
Bob come down off the ridge. They're watching his headlamps.
They bring their thermals up and they see his heat signature. Okay,

(25:12):
they can tell it's him hot against the that surrounding
ambient temperature. So they dropped their night vision or not
drop their thermal and about the time they do that,
where he was standing, they see an order of light,
a sphere of plasma, and this sphere moved about one
hundred and fifty two hundred meters and then winked out

(25:35):
in the distance. And the speed it moved we calculated
at about twenty three to twenty six miles per hour.
It was really moving faster than a human being can move.
They quickly brought their thermal back up and are scanning
and they see a man shaped heat signature where the
light went out, where the sphere of light blinked out.
They quickly get on their radio and they say, Bob,

(25:55):
are you okay? And they're watching the heat signature through
their thermal and they see the heat signature break a
radio up to its mouth ki it And at that
time they hear Bob's always say yeah, I'm fine. Why
And they stopped and they thought for a while. They said, Bob,
you need to come over to us. So Bob makes
his way over to these two gentlemen. They say, Bob,

(26:16):
how do you feel. I'm fine? Why? Why? We saw
you turn into a ball of light and fly across
the meadow and he says, no, I didn't. I just
walked over here. They said, no, you had to experience something.
What was it like, I mean, you were moving? So
he goes, no, I walked over here. He goes, I'm
too old to run. You know, I'm not running anywhere,

(26:38):
especially over this terrain. And they got into an argument.
So when you boil it down, and I remember, you know,
right after that happened getting into arguments with people. So
what actually happened is you had two realities existing in
the same space at the same time, kind of like
the dual slit experiment and a quantum theory where you'll

(27:00):
have light acts as a particle and as a wave,
but both at the same time until the observer affects
the state of matter. So what it looked like is
we may have had quantum effects on a macro level,
which you know, you start thinking about that. That's pretty profound.
So that was okay. So now we got missing time,

(27:24):
we got dude turning into a ball of light, possible
dual realities existing at the same time in the same place,
and you know, just when you think it couldn't get
any stranger, at two hundred that night back at base camp,
one of my team members got up to take care
of some biological business that guys have to take care
of in the middle of the night, and he sees

(27:47):
a white hominid peeking from around a tree watching him.
It's the typical bigfoot tree peeper, you know, kind of thing.
And the cool thing is it was white. He said,
it was a white hominid, and the folklore mentions a
white hominid in this area, so it matches up perfectly
with folklore. The next morning, Bob comes over to us

(28:11):
with his GPS, and Bob give you a little bit
about Bob's background. He was a retired law enforcement spent
many years in California doing back country search and rescue.
So the dude always carries a GPS that drops breadcrumbs,
so he always knows what his track is during each expedition,
and he goes, guys, hey, look at this. My track

(28:32):
line last night shows me being on the other side
of the creek, and my track lines are about a
kilometer in link and they're all straight lines. So we
looked at it and we're like, that's crazy, that doesn't
make any sense. So he said, okay, you know, when
you get home, download the metadata, send it to us.
We'll open up our garment software, all of us independently,

(28:54):
and we'll look at it. You see what we can
kind of do an analysis that come up with something
in a consensus. And, as so often happens in these
places of high strangeness, the data was erased by the
time he got home, completely wiped. But we had multiple witnesses,
so we started thinking about it. So you have rugged
terrain that you cannot move any real distance in a

(29:14):
straight line, either by vehicle or by foot. So if
you have trained that rugged, how can you move in
a straight line over it in the air. He had
missing time, he had a moment where he didn't appear
to be what he usually is. And so to make

(29:36):
things even stranger is we put him through hypnotic regression
about two years ago, and one of the things that
we were regressing was that missing time, and the psychotherapist
was not able to break through that block, you know,

(29:56):
and it's almost like something asmpletely erased his memory. You know,
during the under hypnosis, he says, I just do not
remember anything until I got to that tree across the trail.
And in my second book, I returned to the medal.
I've got the entire transcript of that hypno regression session,

(30:18):
so you know, people can go back and actually read what,
you know, what was going on there. So you know,
this was our first real you know, for a into
the meadow doing serious research. That sounds like we hit
a dog on home run, you know, our first time
on bat. You know, our first time being you know,
recruited up to the major leagues. We you know, we

(30:39):
knock one out of the park. But it gets even weirder.
You know that that for a lot of people, that
research weekend would be the apex of their you know
their research career. That would be like, Okay, that's the
Mount Everest. It can't get any stranger to that, but
it does.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
Yeah, and there's so And.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
When you say regression, that is a personal thing for
me because I actually so. The person who really got
me involved in ever learning anything about how to investigate

(31:25):
actual physically investigate anything was a lady named Robin Quall.
I don't know if you're familiar with her or not.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
Yeah, the name sounds familiar out of it.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
She was in Atlanta at that point, and she was
also loosely connected connected with William Cooper, who was an
author of a couple of very interesting books. So when
you talk about the fact that you guys had a

(32:00):
situation where a regressionists could not unlock that lock, yeah,
that is.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
So there.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
It tends to be very rare for that to happen,
and it's extreme cases where that happens.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
Yeah. Luckily, we have a psychotherapist and hypnotherapist own staff
on our Almost Studies and Observation group staff. So you know,
we've we've put several of our team members through regression
and uh, you know, it yielded huge results, you know,
fantastic or shattering results, you know with our regression uh session.

(32:43):
So it's it's definitely a tool that you know, if
a person can our team can have that in their toolbox,
it's it's well worth using and exploring.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Definitely. So let's back up for a moment, because this
was like at the beginning of everything. Yeah, and you know,
obviously even with the most seasoned people, there's those moments
when you look back and you go, gosh, I wish Yeah.

(33:11):
So during that process when I when I first read
that that story in the book, I was kind of like, wow,
there was that moment where they dropped the the equipment

(33:33):
from Bob just as this happened. It's like, it would
have been very very interesting to have gotten something visual.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
Yeah, you know, and that's unfortunately, Uh, that happens. You know,
It's happened to us quite a few times. Uh, if
we're number one, it happened so quick that you can't
bring your equipment to bear I mean it, you know,
and being in such a remote area, you can't run
your equipment all the time, you you know, use up

(34:07):
the battery on it and not be able to use
the rest of the evening. And then also sometimes the
stuff that you're experiencing. It's just so weird that you're
just stunned. You know, you're in awe and you're bringing
equipment to bear never really even comes into the equation.
And then even worse than that is your normality bias.

(34:31):
We had a case happened not too long ago in
twenty twenty three where we had some kind of As
the phenomena evolves, it's the phenomena we were dealing with
in twenty sixteen is very different than the phenomenon now.
It has become very personal, you know, with us, it's

(34:51):
very interactive the phenomena, whatever it is. And we had
some precognitive sort of sensations where one of our team
members said that she felt like she was being watched
by something slinking and crawling along the ground. Well, the
next night is one of my team members, one of

(35:12):
my thermal operators, caught on his thermal something slinking and
crawling along the ground, and in his normalcy bias, you know,
he reached into his normalcy box and he pulled out
the fact that their bears, cougars, and feral hogs in
this area. He says, oh, well, that must be a
bear or a feral hog, because we were talking about
those today, and then when we were doing our debrief

(35:34):
that evening, I said, Lee, there were twelve people surrounding
that meadow on all the compass points, all the cardinal points.
What animal is going to move across an open area
with that many people around. And he's like, holy crap,
I said, but you got it on thermal right, you
record it? And he goes, no, I thought it was
a bear. I wasn't. Didn't think it was a big deal.

(35:58):
So you know, it happens. But the cool thing is
we were able to capture one of the slinking rake
like creatures later on last November we caught one on
film and I have that video, so you know it's
it happens, and you know, you can't beat yourself up.
What you have to do is use it as a
learning experience and drive on.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Right just to reference what you were saying about local folklore. Two,
for those of you who want to research that it
is the North Alabama white thing that we were discussing.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
I'm not going to confirm it was the North Alabama
white themical. I do not discuss the location of this
area and any shape, size, or formed there are other
areas with similar white hominids.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
So you know, well, that's like the whole North Alabama
area is full of whiting lore. That's why I'm telling
them if they want to research white thing, that's what
we want to want research. And actually, to be honest
with you, I know two or three people that swear
by it where is it Faithful right past Fayutful, the

(37:08):
little town there, swear that they saw a white thing there.
So and it's actually spelt thing tha g. So that's
the lore you want to research there. Another thing that's
native to North Alabama.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Is the.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Oh God, I remember what they call it now, but
it's that it slithers on the ground too. I'm so
you know what I'm sixty two is sixteen years Also also,
I like my mind slips all the time. So but yeah,
if you guys do your research, you'll find that that
all through North Alabama Southern Tennessee, there's a lot of

(37:54):
green eyes is another name for that. You'll want to
research in those areas. So before we go much farther
into the story, I want to ask you something because
this is come up and it's an ongoing theme with
my show. A lot of times. The North Alabama area

(38:19):
is in a proximity to something called the thirty third
Parallel in a way that can be taken as influential
to this area. Do you feel like some of what
you guys are experiencing could be because of the energy

(38:41):
of this area from that.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
Well, that's a geographical question. I do not talk about
geographical locations. I don't talk about latitude, latitude, or longitude.
I will tell people the area is somewhere south of
the Mason Dixon line in east of Arizona.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
The thing that I'm finding about that is that all
the way from where is it Asheville, North Carolina to
the or South Caroline, Asheville North or South, I always
forget from Asheville all the way down to almost to

(39:26):
Mobile and even farther than that. Actually, there seems to
be high influence, and a lot of people say that
it has something to do with the proximity to this
area to the thirty third. So I've always assumed that
he expanded out pass just like a lot of people

(39:52):
want to say it's that, but it's not just that
it goes and although through the Middle.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
East, Yeah, you know, I will say this, Okay, if
everybody's listening, I will tell you the location. Okay, Uh No,
it's you know, it's this. The southeast is a very

(40:19):
very strange area.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
You know.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
You always hear so much about of course the Uenta Valley,
Skinwalker Ranch, and then of course, uh, I don't know
if you're familiar with the Colorado Ranch to Clearview Ranch,
Katie Page Branch. Actually I've been out to the Clearview
Ranch with Katie, which was kind of was a really
neat experience. Skinwalker uh, space Wolf Ranch, blind Frog Ranch,

(40:41):
which I've been out to also.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
You know, then you go up into the you know
northeast or northwest. Uh, you know, up in the Cascades
and stuff. You've got all the Bigfoot stuff and you know,
Sierra sounds and all of that. But you know, the
South is pretty damn weird too, you know. And it's
one thing about our culture here is it's very scots Irish.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
You know a lot of my family came down from
Scotland and northern England into the Carolinas and then work
their way down into Florida, so that culture permeates, you know,
this region, and the folklore is so rich here, you know,
it's so incredibly rich because you have that very very

(41:26):
dense Celtic folklore and then you have the uh, the
Afro Caribbean folklore coming in from the south. Uh you know,
which you have your moodun and you know some of
the other you know, your other stuff coming in and
so it's just this really rich, homogeneous mixture of folklore.

(41:47):
So you know, it's uh, you know, I tell people
is you know you can experience high strangeness and never leave,
you know, never go north of the Mason Dixon line,
you know, or or you know, much further than uh,
you know, Mississippi or Texas, because it's all right here.
It really is. It really is.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
And it's a vast all through from Gosshwares up near
Maine all the way into probably as far as central
Alabama because there's just a vast network of caverns and
so forth that seemed to be almost connected.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
You know.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
That's it's interesting you brought that up because I've had
many many people ask me if I've had a chance
to talk to the Newmans or new ones rather from Hellier,
and I have not. You know, you know, people are like, well,
you know, I'll hook you up with them and all
of that because some of the same synchronistic things that
they were experiencing while they were making that documentary. You know,

(42:49):
we have here, you know, in our in our area.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
And you know a lot of their stuff is predicated
on caverns underground passageways, and you know that this part
of the country, uh, you know, just the south in
general is honey home. You know, it's like Swiss cheese.
And then there's some speculation that you know, somewhere another
they're all connected. You know, you can travel underground from

(43:14):
you know, all the way up you know, Pennsylvania and
then then all the way to Texas through the UH
through the.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Networks exactly exactly, And there have been I mean, you
guys can come back and read tons of theories on
the mountains. I've heard everything from you know, paranormal activity
to the cartel has infiltray, the the cavern cavern system,

(43:42):
which is that some people's explanation for missing for one way.
So as we as we get into your experiences and
at the in the first book, you really dove into

(44:06):
what it was like in the beginning. Now you've alluded
to the fact that things have become as you said, personal,
which I again I can so relate to this, especially
in the areas where we're at, because it does become personal.
Can you explain that a little bit.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Yeah, you know, initially what we were experiencing is we
were seeing things. You know, we would see something you know,
exterior trust. You know, we would see we call them
fairy light. They're little tiny pin pricks of light that
they look like fireflies. But this is in the winter
time and the dead of winter, you know, the all

(44:45):
the fireflies die out, you know, early early September, late August,
so you know, all you have all these strange lights
that we cannot photograph, which is really weird. You know,
we've attempted that I've been able to capture one on
so that's kind of you know. What happened before is
they were external, you know, and then we had the

(45:07):
incident with the portal, you know, the cube, and you
know we actually, uh, what happened with that is, you know,
one of our teams started noticing initially the first time
is a box like structure down in the meadow of
being observed from top of the ridge. And then it
dissipated and then some entities were seen on thermal and

(45:30):
like I said before, we don't people don't move off
of station unless they're given permission. You know, these this
man sized entity, I'm not going to say man shape,
about six foot tall, eighteen inches wide. Heat signature was
tall short, tall, short, and then split into two and
then disappeared. And it was in about the same place

(45:50):
where this first box or cube was seen on. Our
thermals colder than the surroundings, not warmer, which is interesting
if you look at ghosts, rooms get cold when the
haints appear. Uh. So fast forward our team. Once we
got down in the actual meadow, down in the bottom
of this uh this little valley, our team started telling

(46:12):
us about they were seeing boxes pop up around the meadow,
these cubes or boxes. It's interesting because cubes or boxes
have a very rich history and UFO lore, alchemy, you know, Biblically,
there's something magical about the shape of a cube or
a box, and many of these strange high strangent sites

(46:33):
have encounters with boxes or cubes. Yes, so you know,
we we were intrigued, and we decided to bring all
the groups together into one big supergroup of about ten
people and start really seeing if we can kind of
pinpoint as these boxes would pop up on our thermals. Well,
one popped up and had one team watching it as

(46:55):
we were started vectoring another team into it, and before
they got to it, it dissipated went away. But when
our team got to the periphery of this thing, under
the remnants of it, they disappeared completely off a thermal.
You know, their heat signatures were gone. This is in
the winter time. There's no foliage, there's no vegetation. We've
gone back to that exact same site tried to recreate

(47:18):
it to see if we could obscure the heat signatures
of team members, and we cannot replicate it. It was
actually featured in August of twenty twenty three or August
of twenty twenty four, excuse me, on the Discovery Channel,
did an episode on my portal video and you know that,

(47:38):
you know, we couldn't explain it. The interesting thing is
is when the team went into this the remnants of
this thing is they said it was like walking into
a black velvet bag, like you were surrounded by dark,
blackout curtains, very dark, very still. They couldn't see stars
in the sky or anything, very quiet, colder than the surroundings,

(48:02):
and when they went into it, they did not encounter
any kind of brambles, bushes, branches. They just walked into
this area, spent about ninety seconds in there, did one
hundred and eighty degrees, and came out. Now when they
came out, things that were not there before, i e.
Branches and brambles were coming out. So once again we

(48:22):
have two realities existing in the same place at the
same time. Now, the downside to all of this, four
people went into that area, into that cuebe only two
of those people are still alive. I'm one of them,
so you know, I'm obviously still alive. But you know,
we had one team member die of a mysterious pulmonary

(48:46):
we think of pulmonary embolism. Fit guy, you know my age,
died in his mid fifties. And then Bob, who had
been fighting cancer for years, had it in regression after
you know, this experience, as cancer came back with a
vengeance and eventually took him uh a year ago last March.

(49:09):
So you know, now I saying is correlation causality? Am
I saying that? But I think it's very interesting that
of the four people that went into this thing too
or no longer with this. Then you can go back
and you can look at some of Gary Nolan's research
into health effects of high strangeness and all of that,
and you can go down that rabbit hole if you want.
But you know, that was probably one of the strangest things,

(49:31):
was that boxer cube. And going back to you know,
the the box the cube was considered a sacred shape
in alchemy. It was it was the it was the
manifestation of the prima materia, which is the prime material
of all matters made out of you know, it's one
of the uh, the basic shapes of of representative alchemy.

(49:51):
H And you know, you go back Carl Jung uh
talked about the cube as being an archetype. You go
back further than that. The Caaba in Mecca, which predates Islam.
Right in the corner of the kaba is a meteorite
held within a special holder behind glass, something special by

(50:13):
that black cube. Go back even further. The arc of
the Covenant was a box shape. The tabernacle that was
kept in was roughly a tent shaped like a box.
The Sanctum sanctoriums or Holy of Holies in King Solomon's
temple that held the Ark of the Covenant was shaped
like a box, a cube. Carl Higden went into a cube.

(50:36):
In Brazil, they experienced flying UFOs called Cuba cubas that
would choot beams of people. Those were cubes. In the
first book Hunt for the Skinwalker, Cohler and Nap talk
about cubes, flying winnebagos seen at Skinwalker Ranch. They've even
seen those on the TV show Gamber shaped cubes. So
there's something about these boxes, their cubes. Now I do

(50:58):
I know what the answer is. I do not. I
do not, but there's something. It's an archetype. It's something
that really resonates with us on a very primal level.
Of that shape. We know a special and we respond
to it.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
It is definitely that is one of the things that
caught my eye. And the book too, is talking about
the cubes. The very first page I read that on
I just kind of went, oh, wow. You know, I
gotta tell you when we talk about Bob, I often
wonder because he was a sensitive. He was that person who,

(51:38):
as you said, was a weird magnet. Everything was drawn
to him. I almost wonder if if the final collapse
of his body was not related to how sensitive he
really was.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
Yeah, it was. You know, it was a team members
that were so shaken up that night that they took
about three days to really process it. It was that
strange of an evening, and you know, you're talking about
being sensitive. You know, something that we've been doing here
probably for about the past two years is I don't

(52:15):
know if you're familiar with a device called the god helmet. Yeah, yeah, okay,
we have a field deployable god helmet that is self
contained that we can take out as remote as you want.
And what we try to do is have one or
two team members go through a god Helmet session specifically
forty Hurtz stimulation of the left amygdala is you know,

(52:39):
kind of how we end the sessions, which opens up,
you know, certain sensitivities. And we've found that if we
can take one or two people on the team and
have them go through these sessions that are primes the pump,
you know, we'll have experiences for the whole team. You know,
if we basically make a person known to the others

(53:04):
that we're receptive to their you know, their visitations, their
activities or whatever. So you know, we try to take
disciplines from our take best practices from other disciplines. We've
had amazing SD sessions out there in the meadow, you know,
where we actually have. It looks like entities are communicating
with us. There's some stuff that just recently happened, and

(53:29):
I'm not ready to go public with it, but it
was so shocking and so amazing that my jaw hit
the floor. I mean, it was just something that was
earth shattering and validated our past nine years of research.
So you know, it's it's it's evolving. Things that we

(53:49):
did not you know, encounter at the beginning are happening. Now.
We have had people actually physically being touched. We have
now dream speak if you will, we have precognitive dreams
and probably one of the best ones if you want
me to talk about the Knox Magbee implant, you know,

(54:10):
mind implant that happened with one of our team members.
We had done a C five session out at the meadow,
Stephen GREERCE five session, and nothing happened, you know, goose.
Nothing happened, and we were disappointed. And a lot of
our team members are trained, formerly trained remote viewers, so
we thought, you know, surely we'll get something up. Nothing happened.

(54:31):
So one of my team members who's also a remote viewer,
guys by the name of Tony, US Air Force Academy graduate,
has a degree in engineering, spent several years in Air
Force Special Operations. Now is a world renowned expert in
his field, travels all over the world. Very solid guy.

(54:51):
Next morning, he said, hey, Trey, you know I was
asleep and I woke up at four point thirty and
I had this term in my mind. It was Knox magb.
You know that's how you know, that's how it sounded,
Knox magbe And I said, so fanatically it'd be like
n O x M A g B e E. He said, yeah,
Knox magbe. Does that mean anything to you? And I

(55:12):
said no. He said, well, you know it happened again
at six thirty oh six thirty. I just popped awake
and I had that term in my mind. Well, I
went back and uh, He said, you know, can you
look at it and you tell me if it means anything.
I said, well, I'll research it and see what I
can come up with. No guarantees. So I started delving
into it, and the term Knox in ox turns out

(55:35):
is a variation of Nicks. Nix is the Greek goddess
of the night, Knox is the Roman goddess of the night.
Of course, the Romans took Greek mythology, change the name,
same same people, Zeus, Venus, you know all of that stuff. Uh,
And so we had the Roman goddess of the night.

(55:55):
It was the first term Magb turned out to be
a little more difficult. So I started really digging into
where that term came from, and I found in the
Old English poem Beowulf the term magbe in what magma
means is kindred or children. So if you look at
the history of Britain is when Old English was spoken.

(56:19):
The Romans left Britain in about eighty I think four
hundred and five hundred. So it is reasonable that the
term Knox and magbi or magma would be contemporaneous, that
the speakers of Old English would be familiar with some
of the Roman mythology. So you put these things together.
So you have children of the night goddess. Remember we

(56:43):
were doing a CE five protocol that night before. So
what do we have that are small like children with
big heads, like children that come into people's bedrooms at night?
I'll give you a hint. One of them is on
the cover of Whitley Strieber's book Communion the Grays. So
the thing about the Meadow is when you think you

(57:03):
kind of have it pegged, you think you kind of
have it figured out, it comes at you from left
field and teaches you something very very new. And so
that's how these things are becoming more personal. You know, we're,
like I said, we're having like precognition now and people
being physically touched, and so it's you know, it's it's
very personal, and you know, I can go into I

(57:29):
kind of hate to say this because this is really
out there, but you know, we had a team member
having some strange dreams and recollections of things at night,
and under hypnotic regression, it appears they were visitation by
the children of the Night Goddess. It turns out that

(57:51):
they look like something like you would read in one
of Bud Hopkins or John Max books, you know, like
an abduction. Oh so that's a lot to take in.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
I know.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Well, no, I was just thinking, you like, you're talking
like this is unusual. I'm starting to worry a little
bit because it sounds like everyday stuff for me. But well,
because here's the thing. We remember where I grew up at,
where I told you where I grew up at so
high strangeness, and where I live at now. I'm literally

(58:29):
poised between the land between the lakes and like an
hour from the Cumberland Ridge. I'm like right out by
the east by East Tennessee mountains all that so, and

(58:51):
I work out that way. I spent six months out
of the year out there in the mountain areas. So
when you say this, I understand most people don't experience
these things like that, but it's it's to me that's normal.
Does that make sense?

Speaker 3 (59:11):
Oh no, it makes absolutely perfect sense, you know. I
you know, it's uh, it's really funny because you know,
I have guest researchers come out into the meadow and uh,
they'll say, you know what, you know, what are we
most likely going to experience? And I said, well, the
most common things, And I say this, like, you know

(59:31):
this is every day. Uh, well, shadow people and disembodied
voices and orbs. You know, it happens all the time,
not a big deal. But then I'll hear what I'm
saying and I'm like, wait, did I just say that
shadow people and disembodied voices and orbs or not a
big that's a very big deal, you know. That's that's
so outside of most people's wheelhouse that they can't even

(59:51):
comprehend it.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
You know, then you start overlaying all the other high
strangeness and you mentioned, uh, you know, you mentioned the
East Tennessee you know mountains, you know, and it made
me think about Smoking Mountain National Park. Okay, they had
a lot of weird crap in the Smoking Mountain National Park.
I in my second book, I actually do an interview

(01:00:13):
with one of my team members that had some very
very very bad health effects after visiting an area of
high strangeness in the Smoking Mountain National Park. But uh uh,
you know, it's interesting because it made me think of
David Plaid's you know, and then of course the Missing
four one stuff. Well, here in the meadow, I had

(01:00:35):
an experience and I'm gonna forgive me. I'm going to
take a peek at my notes just in January of
twenty twenty is uh, we decided we were going to
go out in January of twenty twenty. It wasn't a
lot of people there, you know, it's kind of a
kind of a sparse because most of the team members work.
We didn't have a lot of folks show up. But
my research partner, Kristen She and I decided we were
going to go out to the meadow and we were

(01:00:57):
going to take baselines. And so what we did is
we had the latt of dude and longitude of all
these areas where the high strangeness has happened, you know,
where we saw the two entities that you know, the
one that split into two, where that was where the
box first occurred. And so we were going to go
to all these areas using our GPS is and we're
going to take EMF baselines, radiation baselines and uh situational

(01:01:19):
experiential baselines and uh so we did that, and then
we decided we were going to cross this large creek
or small river which is to the north of the
meadow to kind of get an idea of what was
on the other side. So, you know, we roll our
trousers up, hang our boots around our neck, and we
slosh across there and we're in radio contact with each
other and we can, you know, kind of yell at

(01:01:41):
each other, but it gets kind of thick as you're
going through there, because you have like a lot of
dead reeds and bamboo and stuff. So I slashed through
there and I get to the other side and I
get up on the bank and I see a log
I put my boots back on, and I'm looking around
and I'm like, well, this is really cool. This is
another huge field on the other side of this creek.

(01:02:02):
You know, we can actually run concurrent investigations on both
sides of this creek. So I was really excited about
it because opportunities were, you know, really really vast. So
you know, I could hear Kristin kind of you know,
splashing around, say hey, Kristen, wait until you get over here.
You're not going to believe it. This is a really cool,
huge field. You know, we can do like multiple investigations.

(01:02:24):
And she's like, what are you talking about. I said, no,
this is really cool. You know, I can't wait until
you see and she goes, just stay there, I'll be
right there. So she works her way over and I
see her, you know, come out from around the creek,
and she comes up and puts her boots on and
she goes, Trey, what in the heck are you talking about.
I said, look at this, isn't this neat? She goes,

(01:02:46):
You're in the meadow. I said, no, I'm not. Now
this is somewhere I've been, like probably fifty times prior
to this. A little bit of my background Army Eagle
scout earned the fifty Miler Award three times, and scouting
Army Intelligence Officer of hunted big game, you know in
North America, a hunt a big game in Africa, backpacked

(01:03:08):
all over North America. You know, I'm pretty confident and
competent in the woods. You know, I'm not rattled, you know,
being out in the woods. And and she goes, this
is where you started from. This is literally the place
where you stepped into the water. And I'm like, no,
it's not. And as she was explaining it to me,

(01:03:28):
and this is gonna sound weird, and this is very
hard to articulate, but as she was talking to me,
it's almost like the environment change back to the meadow,
and I was just really confused. And so she gets
on the radio. Radio is back to base camp. She says, hey,
Trey's having some sort of problem here. You know, we

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need someone to come out here, someone to come out here,
and she has her background, she's an e R nurse
or you know, we need to come back to base camp.
And they said, okay, we're on our way, and I
just got on the radio. I said, okay, guys, I'm
taking over operational control. Okay, leave me alone for ten minutes. Okay,
I'm going to drink some water. You know, I'm not

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having a heart attack. Just let me get my bearings
about me and then we'll discuss this. And so after
about ten minutes we got our bearings. I got my
bearings back and kind of like it literally turned back
into the meadow. That's hard to explain, but it like
literally became the place I was used to. And what
became really weird about it is while we were doing that,

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we were running, like I said, our Geiger counters. We
were doing a study, baseline study of radiation. At that time,
the logging feature on our Geiger counter recorded a point
three to three microceivers per hour radiation spike exactly when
I became disoriented. So, you know, I start looking at

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that and put it all together, is if I had
had the protocols in place. Aye. After Bob's missing, nobody
goes out by themselves everybody has a partner with them.
You know, we had radio communications and also had navigational
tool to get us back to base camp. If I
hadn't had all those things in place, would I have
ended up like one of David Plaidi's victims in one

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of his chapters in one of the Missing for One books,
Because it was the disorientation was so profound that, you know,
I literally just would not talk to somebody for about
ten minutes. It was that, you know, that meaningful, you know,
the disorientation. So anyway you were talking about Tennessee made

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me think about the Smoky Mountains and relay that interesting
meadow store.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
Honestly, that's why I say I feel like and I
have not ventured north of ashvillever so I don't know
about those areas, but at least as far as Ashville
down to I've gone as far back as Oh Gosh,

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I can tell you the town Brilliant, Alabama, and most
people are not going to know where that is because
there's it's like, it's literally maybe two hundred people if
that this lives in Brilliant, Alabama. Down as far as there,
I've experienced or had the feeling of the energy in

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those areas very equal. Now, what I will tell you
is that personally, one of the things I know about
the vast space of these areas is they're heavy end courts.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
Actually on the meadow, And when I give my presentation
all over the country is I have a photograph of
a fifth sized piece of quartz just laying on top
of the ground in the meadow.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
That's one of the reasons why I feel like it
expands through such a large area, because we know that
courts is a conduit among other things.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
Sure, and so.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
My theory is that somewhere along the line, courts is
part of the equation to how this energy keeps moving
and fluctuating and even growing in such a vast area.
Because a lot of people want to concentrate everything down
to it. You can't do that here. You can't do

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that here.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
And that's something that you know. We of course, the
meadow has a lot of stuff going on, but there's
several research sites that we go to that are like
two or three miles from the meadow that are extremely active.
You know, a lot of stuff going on, and it's
really neat because you go to some of these areas,
you know, away from the meadow. You have these things
going on, and then you start looking back in you know,

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like move on and other databases, and you'll find out
stories of the same thing you experienced at those exact
you know, geographic coordinates. Uh, and it coincides. So you know,
we've you know, we've got a place where it's been
logged almost horizon to horizon. You know, we've seen UFOs there.
There's a lake we call Stevens Lake in the book

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had some really cool UFO stuff there orbs flashes of
lights in the forest.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
Uh. You know.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
So it's uh, it's a it's a big area, and
you know we try to uh you know, expand our
you know, our research footprint out you know, quite a bit,
because you're gonna miss quite a bit if you just
focused in on one place.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
Oh, definitely, definitely. That's one of the reasons why. Uh. Yeah.
So I put my foot in my mouth years ago,
and when I left this area at one time, I
said I will never return. Never you could not nail
me to a bus and drive me here, And then

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sure enough, twenty and fourteen year olls around and I'm
right back here with a vengeance.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
Yeah, and there's no.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
No coincidence, Trey or got to tell you. I could
spend hours on this, and I would like to continue
to doing some deep diving with you on not only
the meadows, but some just theories and general ideas and

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your experiences in general on the phenomena that we are
talking about, because I feel like I feel like you're
one of the people that will probably be able to
comprehend when some of this stuff that some of the

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stories that I can tell you about things too, because
there's so some of some guys are just like, you're
kidding me right now.

Speaker 3 (01:10:17):
Not yeah, it's it's you know, really, there's so many
facets to this thing. You know, and I know you're
familiar with Alan Greenfield secret ciphers of the UFO NOTS.
Is you take the term Knox Magbee and you put
it into the secret cipher of the UFO NOTS and
there's some interesting stuff that comes out of that. So,

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but that's a whole other, whole other show, right right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
And that's the thing of It's like this is I
don't think the average person understands how deep this hole
goes and where it goes. Before we do close out,
I do want to say something though that when you

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were talking about going into the portal MHM and the verbiage,
the way the descriptions that was given of that. Are
you familiar with people who stay the Kabbalah and their meditation.

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Does it not sound very similar to the idea of
when God would inside itself or God went inside itself
to create you had to create the void of.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
Well, absolutely, and that's that's you've just touched on something.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
Is this is.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
Basically a dimensional Ah? Yeah, I'm not gonna call it.
Portal is just the term we use at the label,
but it's a p place where the dimensions are not
as separate as maybe they are at other times. And
that's why thoughts and energies are able to transfer, you know,

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through the STS method and you know Knoxmagby and all
of that stuff. Uh, and John Keel had a term
he used. He called them ultra terrestrials. And in my
my first book is I coined the phase para dimensionals.
And this is an area that is just absolutely crawling
with para dimensionals. And you start talking about you know,

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God creation of the universe, uh, you know, and the
world was of that form and void, you know, you know,
the you know, the creation of the h you know,
the world is. You're actually talking about dimensional physics, you know,
and then things also done at the quantum level and
also in the macro level. So yeah, it's very insightful that. Yeah,
you mentioned the Kabbalah because you start looking at some

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of these ancient mystery traditions and there's truth there, you know.
You know, it's not it's not a it's not a
coincidence that in the New Testament, the last book, the
Book of Revelation, talks about the New Jerusalem coming down
to Earth. And how is a new Jerusalem I describe

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as a perfect cube. And here we are again with
the boxes and cubes.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
Yes exactly. I I just love talking to you because
they're so For once, I feel like I'm in my
own element. So that's important. Thank you for joining us
tonight for this, and we will discuss further further conversations

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coming up. Sure for sure, if you'll hold for just
a moment, when I close us out in the back,
I will touch base with you in just a moment. Again,
Thank you very.

Speaker 3 (01:14:06):
Much, Thank you. Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
All right, guys, so a rare moment where you probably
see me at my most comfortable ever in a conversation
with somebody, probably if you got to this part, if
you followed us all the way through tonight, I want
you to do me a favor. Tell me what you

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think about, what you believe about the concept of interdimensional reality,
about what we've discussed tonight, especially in this last few moments.
Very curious about your experiences, your thoughts, your ideas related

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Thank you guys for joining me tonight and your journey
always be magical. Waited for so long to see will

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you come back to me through the walls and battles
that were lost. We're all again.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
It's you and me.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
The rest is history. We danced together in different to

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fifteen hundreds how to dances, but we must

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
Still the level we must about Summer lapers Li