August 24, 2025 • 67 mins
She helps spirits find peace—and she’s back to share what’s next. In this compelling follow-up episode of Magical Journey Podcast: Between Worlds, we reconnect with Tanya Ellis, the spiritual practitioner and paranormal investigator you may remember from Episode 10. Known for her compassionate work in crossing spirits over and her fearless approach to paranormal investigation, Tanya returns with new stories, insights, and revelations from the field. We catch up on her recent experiences helping spirits transition, the emotional toll and spiritual responsibility of that work, and how her psychic sensitivity has evolved. From haunted locations to peaceful passings, Tanya offers a rare look into a world few dare to walk—and fewer still understand. 🕯️ In this episode, we explore: What it’s really like to help spirits cross over The latest updates in Tanya’s spiritual practice New paranormal investigations and psychic encounters The emotional side of spirit communication How intuition, ritual, and compassion play a role in crossing work Whether you’re drawn to the light or curious about the shadows, Tanya’s return is both heartfelt and otherworldly. Don’t miss this powerful conversation with one of the most grounded voices in the supernatural space.
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Speaker 2 (01:15):
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so I got to tell you guys, my guest tonight
was with us on episode ten, way back to the
beginning of this show, so it was a bit of
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a journey from there to now. But I am really
excited about tonight and tonight's interview because my friend is
definitely one of the people that you want to get
to know if you want to know about paranormal investigation,
about the the unknown, and how to know the EndNote,
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ladies and gentlemen, welcome with me to the stage and
ye hey, hey, so you know what, my folks know
a little about you from a previous episode, but give
us a little bit of information on you and what
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you do and what your journey is about.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Okay, So essentially I'm a ghost hunter and I'm a
paranormal investigator, but I have kind of a unique approach.
I don't just go in and with the goal of attaining,
you know, documented evidence. I actually go in and I
use spiritual communication and I actually speak to them. I
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learned their stories, and then at the very end, I
cross them over, which sometimes doesn't make me a very
popular person. Sometimes sometimes people want them to hang around
because you know, it's it's a profitable but that's that's
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what I do so, and I just feel like and
I don't get paid for this, This is just I
feel like this is the right thing to do, you know, so.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Right, and when you talk about okay, so let's let's
discuss the passing them over apart for a moment, because
I think a lot of people may be a little
bit confused when they first hear that. Right, exactly does
it mean to cross or pass somebody over?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Okay, so you've heard the term, you know when it's
it's a cliche that you know, when somebody die, Oh,
go towards the light, Go towards the light. And what
they're referring to is the portal that takes you into
the other dimension, the you know, the spirit world. But
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sometimes sometimes that portal is missed because it's only open
for a short amount of time. It doesn't just hang open.
We don't have portals just hanging open everywhere. So and
so what happens is they that energy gets trapped here,
and it's really it's not a good thing for anybody,
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not just the entities involved, but anybody because it's trapped energy.
A lot of times it's energy that's confused or scared, lonely.
You know, a lot of negative energy, so it helps
to kind of get that energy off the earthly plane
and back to where it is supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
You know, it definitely does. And you're right, it can
be very It's anywhere from very confused to almost just
I hate to say the word for it, well, but yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Or are feeling abandoned, you know, like, wait a minute,
I thought I was supposed to You know, most people
are like I thought I was supposed to go to heaven?
What is this?
Speaker 4 (06:59):
You know?
Speaker 2 (07:01):
But all of a sudden you are not where or
where you thought you would be, or you know, you
are not who you thought you would be, right exactly.
And I think that's one of the things that so
many people get confused about whenever you talk about the
process of passing forward, of passing on right. I think
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a lot of people it's this view that you know,
this is the process, and this is how it's supposed
to work, and it's going to go seamlessly that way, right,
And then it happens and you're like, oops.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Right right, and you know, I've run into I've run
into an earth bounds that they stayed behind for a reason.
There was a husband, a man somebody I actually knew
in life, which was weird, I remember from my childhood.
But I found him and he had stayed behind because
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him and his wife made a pact that when they died,
they were going to stay put and wait for the
other one. And they both ended up kind of stuck here.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
So never a good idea. Yeah, I don't do that. Yeah,
you never did very well.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Ones.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Once you cross over, you can come back, you can
go back and forth.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Right, it's not like you know, one way door. It's
definitely revolving.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Right.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
So let's talk for a minute about because one of
the things that I experienced recently, and I got the
opportunity to have just a really rare experience, was going
to a place in Franklin, Kentucky, which is called the
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Old Stone Jail and there you know that facility, that
building has been in use since the Civil War times.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah, so there's graffiti on the wall from the Civil War. Yeah,
And there's a lot of energy there in that area.
And I just remember at one point just feeling a
lot of heaviness, and you know, my friends that were
there were like, tell me what's going on? What are
you feeling? You know, and I was trying to particulate
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this and I just could not get it out. Yeah,
and afterwards I told the message, you got to understand,
like whatever is here is very heavy energy, and they
understood completely. They got it. They were kind of connected
to it too. But this is one of the things
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a lot of people don't understand is that you when
you leave here, you know, whatever state of mind you're in,
whatever state of spirit you're in, that kind of that's
the energy that kind of lingers afterwards. Yeah, and so
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and what was so, Tanya, This is what was so
amazing to me. It was like and it was kind
of weird too, Like downstairs there was this area that
had all this like war memorabilia and uniforms and photographs
of men who had served and port and right there
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at the entrance way to this room, it was that
heavy smell of men's cologne, very heavy smell of men
column and everywhere you went in that room, it followed you.
And I was just like, Wow, this is really crazy.
I don't know who this is, but it they're really persistent.
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So tell us a little bit about your experience with
with that kind of energy that kind of I'm gonna
say almost alpha energy that it's just like I'm here,
you're gonna.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Know so, uh, I actually ran into Okay, So anything
that you put mental energy towards, you're gonna attract it, right, Okay,
And this is gonna sound really nuts. Here we go.
I can't I can't lie. So there there was a
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time my uh, my boyfriend is he's very much into
like true crime stuff and I he was watching a
documentary and I was kind of listening to it and
I was thinking about it, and next thing, you know,
I ended up attracting the entity that that documentary was about.
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And you talk about powerful. Powerful. When it came into
the room, it just my whole body just lit up.
It was absolutely insane, and it was somebody who hadn't crossed,
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and it was somebody who had killed a lot of people.
And anyway, he yeah, he had this huge, huge energy.
And at first he came in and he was very
kind of aggressive, and you know, and I started talking
to him. And the reason he didn't cross over is
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because when he died, he saw the portal, but he
refused it because he thought for sure that if he
went through that doorway that he was going to go
to hell. So he was like, no, I'm just going
to stay here. But yeah, it wasn't anybody that was
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like super well known, but it was a serial you
know unliver.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yeah, that's the kind of energy that definitely. So when
you go to these places, I mean obviously, like you said,
there are some people there just like the claws come
out that the thing will start showing because they look
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at you and they're like, oh, this is trouble walking
through the door. Right, how do you address that because
that's kind of a heavy Well.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Here, here's the thing. And this is what makes it different.
My experience different than most is usually when they see
somebody like me walking through the door, they're like, ooh, intruder. Intruder,
somebody who wants to you know, not always, I mean,
sometimes they want to be seen. Sometimes they're you know, performers,
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But a lot of times they'll be like an intruder, like, oh,
your trouble. But once I talk to them and I
tell them why I'm there and that hey, I can
help you, I can help you. Don't you want to
go home? Don't you want to see your past loved
ones or you know, what have you? And after that
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they're usually pretty syrupy sweet with me. All that aggression
kind of gets quelled and they're like, oh, oh, this
person has something I need, you know. And a lot
of times when you run into difficult personalities, you end
up with a lot of like narcissistic characteristics, you know
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what I mean. And one of the hallmarks of narcissism is,
you know, if if they have a use for somebody,
they're going to treat them very very.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Well, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
So yeah, it usually once they find out why I'm
they're usually they're very very nice to me and very welcoming.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
So wow, that's good to hear, because I know, you know,
there's some people that when you walk up on their
property and you know, they're there to make a bob
and they see people like you as the person taking
the money out of my pocket. And unfortunately, the paranormal
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I mean you and I know this is probably better
than a lot of people do. The paranormal community is
just ransidly full a lot of people who are out
to make a bob and absolutely, you know, and that
is what the community lives for in some places, you know,
because I mean, who doesn't want to freemail and think
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about it? So if you if you get to the
point where maybe you're kind of being viewed as the enemy.
M hmm, then how do you go about I guess
what's your breakthrough with that? Because that's a tough place
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to be at.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Are you talking about with the living?
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Okay, with the living?
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
So I am not welcome at places. I am not
welcome at places that use entities as you know, uh,
furniture or amenities, or they don't they don't want me around.
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I've actually sat in parking lots for and done my thing,
and then I learned how to This is funny. I
learned how to kind of do it remotely where I
like call call them in. And when I figured that out,
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that was just it just took off after that because
I didn't actually have to travel to the places, you know,
to do what I do. And I try.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
I try to.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Leave the famous places alone as much as possible. But
if I go I'm sorry. If I go on a
website and the very first page is come see our ghosts,
you know, and da da da da da, I'm like, okay,
you're next, I'm sorry. And like I said, I'm not
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a very popular person with some places. So In fact,
some places make you sign a waiver saying that you
won't try to help them or you know, try to
clean the energy or the Stanley Hotel. Actually that's because
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I didn't tell him why I was there. Yeah, I
didn't tell him why I was there. I ended up
that was one place I ended up doing it from
the parking lot.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I mean, yeah, because how do you go about It's like, huh,
I'm Tanya, I'm here to clean house, all right. I mean,
there's just no easy or fun way to address the
reason why you're there and your places like the Stanley,
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which is a very well known, very famous, very famous place.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
When I came back home from that trip, I was
talking to a fellow gast hunter who was in the area,
and I just happened to disclose to that person what
I did. He was not happy with me at all,
And that was kind of the first time I ran
into that and I realized, Oh, I mean, I guess
I need to not talk about this too much. But
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here's the thing, and it's a phenomenon that happens with
legendary places, with famous places, just because you clean out
what's there, Okay, you have people who are dying, they
don't cross over and they're like, ooh, my family and
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I used to go to the Stanley every summer. I'm
gonna go check it out. So it doesn't stay empty
for long, I promise you.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
And I think that's as sort of the ideology that
both impression people have, that oh, when you go and
empty something out, it's always empty. It's never been to
be a thing again, right, and See says it sounds
like quantum entanglement.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
And yeah. And the other thing too, is you have
to make a distinction between the actual entities and the
residual hauntings or the energy imprints, because there are two
different things. The energy and prints are gonna be there.
There's nothing I can do about that really, or I
don't have the knowledge of how to take care of those.
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But the entities themselves, you know, And you always hear
stuff like that with haunted places. You know. It's like, oh,
on certain nights, the lady in white will descend the
stairs and da da da da, And do you really
think there's a ghost that's waiting and going, Oh, it's
eight o'clock, time to go down the stairs. No, that's
a residual haunting. That's an energy imprint, you know. And
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it's interesting too, because energy imprints, the energy will imprint
way stronger in moments where there is either vast repetition
like that lady probably went down those stairs every single
day for fifty years in that same house, you know,
or high emotion, if there's more, there's trauma, if there's
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you know, intense fear, then then that energy is going
to get imprinted stronger onto the environment.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Exactly exactly. That's one of the things that it's hard
for some people to understand too. It's like when you're
talking about imprinting. Yeah, I think a lot of people
kind of they can't really wrap their head around them
what this means. They don't get that energy is kind
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of like film in a sense, and you, as your
actions are developing onto that energy m hm, your experience.
For instance, one of the most common reactions in theaters
is the sound of the audience laughing, and it's just
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the ears. It's recorded in the air there, and so
people oddably hear this laughter, a lot of people laughing
at once at something, and you know, they it's hard
for them to I mean, I can't imagine walking into
a theater you know, mine in my own business checking
it out. Oh that's pretty and all of a sudden
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hearing this multitude of people laughing right when something right here?
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Right?
Speaker 2 (22:53):
So when you how do you explain to people who
are trying to, I guess, come to terms with all
of this. How do you explain to them, first of all,
that what they're experiencing is actually very normal. And also
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how do you explain to them that not only is
it normal, it's very okay to accept it.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
So are you talking about like when they experience paranormal things?
So like if somebody sees something or they hear something.
A lot of times I'll explain to them that we're
kind of like, we're kind of like radios and entities
are kind of like radio stations, okay, radio waves, and
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you have to be kind of vibrating at the right
frequency in order to perceive them. Us vibrate at a
rate that you're more likely to see them, okay, and
then some of us vibrated at different frequency, and it's
it's more rare, you know, But yeah, we're kind of
like it's kind of I explain it like that, and
that kind of makes them feel better. I explain it
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also that they're just people. That's it. They're just people,
and really honestly, they're they're less It's less dangerous to
run across a ghost than it is to run across
Joe blow on the street, because Joe Blow on the street,
you know, they can pull a knife on you or something.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
You know.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
So the people that the entities that I've spoken to,
most of them, I'd say ninety percent of them are
just super nice and super respectful. And you know, there's
only been just a small percentage that are kind of
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I call them cranky. They're just they're crapy. Yeah, and
so and a lot of them too, just from being stuck.
You know, they've kind of been humbled like, oh.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
You know.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
So but usually, I mean, once I explain that, usually
people are pretty they're they're good with it.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
You know, that's really really good. Oh, estimony is their
experience with you.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Oh yeah, I've done spiritual communication for him family members.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
So yeah, it sounds like a real very positive experience
happened there.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
So let's back up for a second, though, because not
all experiences are positive or and you know, and there
are some things you know, in our recent their normal
news history that have you know, come across the wire
that are very alarming to some people. And some of
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the things that we're seeing and hearing from just bad choices.
Have you know, a large group of people very alarmed?
And you know, and you know people are asking, hey,
at what point do we stop using the term for
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entertainment purposes only? And so let's talk about that for
a minute. How do you how do first of all,
how do you view some of the current experiences going
on in the paranormal community with people engaging in appropriately,
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if you will, with objects energy that's not necessarily meant
to be helpful to them. If that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
That to me, that question could cover two or three
different topics. Are you talking about like uh like binding
stuff like haunted, hanted dolls.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Kind of things, dolls experiences where where you know, the
hitchhiker effectism is in full force. You know, something is
latched onto an object or people you know, and boom
here we are you know, and you are forced to
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experience it's a very unpleasant thing. It's a result you know,
casing point you hanna build all experience.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
So okay, so there's two different scenarios. There may be
more but there's two that just come off the top
of my head. Number one, you have people that will
do energy work to actually artificially bind a spirit or
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a ghost to an object like a doll, and they
actually sell haunted dolls. I can't remember who sells them.
I know, between like eBay and Etsy, I can't remember
which one, but one of them allows you to sell
haunted dolls, and the other one was like, no, no,
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we're not going to be doing that. I think it's
eBay that doesn't let you do that. But anyway, for
a long time there what I would do, in my
bid to do the right thing is I would go
on those that website and I would look up haunted
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dolls for sale, and I would do energy work myself
and remotely unbind them and then cross them over. And
that also makes me not a very popular person.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
In some part. How do you how do you go about,
you know, engaging with people like you know, Matt right
from people like that who intentionally you purchase property and
objects for the sake of entertainment.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
I mean that well, okay, so, and I think some
of this has to do with religious beliefs. I I
think I don't know because I'm not really in that
mindset that those people are in, but a lot of
people they they're into that and they're like, they don't
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see anything wrong with it. And I think what they
don't understand is that every ghost, every ghost was at
one time somebody's someone. They are people. And if you
are not willing to say it to a person, a
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living person, do it to a living person, then you
shouldn't be doing it to a ghost either, because they're people.
They're just people that don't have their meat suits anymore.
That's it. So that's my stance, And I mean, yeah,
I've kind of come under a lot of criticism for
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what I do with regards to haunted dolls, but sorry
that to me that it's the ethical thing to do,
you know. But there's also another scenario too, and I've
heard of this before. Like, for example, we'll say a
child dies and they don't cross and they're here and
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they latch onto their favorite toy. They're not being artificially
bound to it. They're just following it wherever it goes.
And if somebody at some point destroys that toy or
mistreats it, or let's say it's a dollhouse, and they
decide to paint it or something, that child is going
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to be pretty ticked off, you know. And I've heard
stories about that too, where somebody will you know, get
freaked out and they'll destroy an object that there's an
entity following it around, you know, and then bad shit
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starts happening, you know, to them. Really, the only thing
you have to do is or is just cross them over.
That to me, that's like the cure all for everything
is you talk to them, you explain it, you say, hey,
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you want to go home, and you cross them over,
and boom, your object is no longer haunted. Now, I know,
here we go with religious beliefs though, we have a
lot of people that think that the things that possess
those objects are demons. And I don't really want to
get into religious topics, so we'll we'll just leave.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
It at that, right, right, And I agree with you
with that, is like, okay, there's so much here that
you can cover with that. I'm not a real big
fan of, you know, getting into the debate over you know,
belief systems and so forth, so so many of them,
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you know, but the bottom line is is, you know,
if it feels like something you shouldn't do you should
do it?
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Right?
Speaker 2 (33:17):
I mean, how simple is that? It's a self answering question,
yes or no? Should you do it? Probably not? So
let's let's talk about this format because you know, and
for those of you who are just joining us, if
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anything that we're talking about right now resonates with you,
how you feel about haunted objects, haunted places, h those
lovely hitchhiker experiences, lend me a comment below to let
me know what your thoughts are, because a lot of
people have a lot of interesting opinions on those. Yeah,
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but that said, you know there is something. So so
let's go back to annabel for a minute, and the
and the child energy thing, because with some things, like
you said, children will naturally be drawn to them because
it was their thing and live, so they will follow
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the object to literally to know when.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
It brings them comfort. It's familiar, you know.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
So tell me your thoughts then, based on that with Annabelle, Yeah,
I know that.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Look really, So I became interested in Annabelle because I
kept hearing that it was a demonic, demonically possessed all
is what I and so I checked into it and
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I started communicating and asking questions, and da da da,
And what I what I found was that it was
a little girl ghost earth bound. That was and I
really don't know if she was bound to it or
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if she was just following it. I didn't I didn't
actually make that distinction. But it was a little seven
year old girl and her name was Rose. And when
I found that out, I called I called her in,
I drew her in and talked to her and then
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crossed her over. However, here we go, we have the
legendary thing going on again, where you know, it creates
kind of a political vacuum, you know, you get rid
of one and it's like, oh, I want to go
be associated with that person, you know, that place or thing.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
You know.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Interesting story jumping off from that, the San Antonio ghost tracks,
if anybody has heard of those? Okay, So that story
was complete bunk, and everybody knows it. It was proven
that it was just total. It was a it was
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an incident that happened up in Ohio, I think it was,
but because it appeared in the newspaper in San Antonio,
everybody thought it happened in San Antonio, and so it
became this huge legend. Right here's the thing though. I
went down because I wanted to experiment, and I went
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down and I checked it out, and do you know,
I found eight entities down there, not because they were
kids on that bus, but because here we go let
the legendary status people die. They're like, oh, yeah, the
ghost tracks. We used to go there Halloween, and they
go down there and they want to be a part
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of it, you know, And so it attracts even though
you know the story itself was bunk. But going back
to child ghosts, child ghosts are very unique. They're very
unique in that when you before you cross over, you
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are still very much who you were in life. Okay,
you have not crossed over, you have not been reinitiated
into your core self, your higher self. Okay, so you're
still very much who you are, who you were in life. Right.
And if somebody dies as a child, there's still a child.
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They didn't live long enough to have that expence to
be like, oh, I don't I don't hurt people, or
I don't you know, they don't have that maturity level,
that emotional intelligence, you know, to be like, oh, if
somebody tells me no, or somebody does something I don't
like you know, I you know, I really shouldn't get them,
(38:18):
you know what I mean, I should, you know, So
they didn't live long enough to have that experience. So
child ghosts are the ones that are more likely to
make themselves known, knock on the walls, try to scare
people because they think it's funny, funny, haha, made you jump,
you know, and so so yeah, so a lot of
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times when people experience these kind of more intense hauntings
where you know, it's deemed like a demonic haunting, it's
usually a child. That's been my experience, you know, in case.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Annabel which is been just the hot topic for a
while now.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Right, very famous. Yeah, so I crossed over the spirit
that was associated with that doll, But that doesn't mean
that there's not another one now in its place, following
it around saying oh I want to oh, oh Annabelle.
I really loved that story when I was alive, So
(39:29):
I want to be associated with that, you know, that's
that legendary, legendary phenomenon that happens.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
And do you feel like I really want to be
careful how I praise some of the stuff. So with Annabelle,
you know, there was a whole experience with Dan River,
which was very unfortunate. We had a lot of discussions
(40:01):
in the community on you know, the what ifs and
all of that associated with uh, Annabel and Dan. You know,
there's there's so so very much that had been said
and community is kind of almost torn apart in a
(40:22):
sense about their their thoughts on annabel about Dan's passing,
how those things are connected together. So from your standpoint, though,
from from your understanding, m h, how do we how
(40:45):
do we not only like connect to this story in
a way that's going to be not horrnfle but how
do we begin to process the true ruth behind Annabelle
and what may or may not have happened in a
(41:05):
way that's going to not only be an harmful but
projunct to.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
Yeah, yeah, Now, remind me what happened to that, gentleman,
because I heard about there was somebody that she uh
unlived right, right? So is that the same new one
or is that.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
The same guy? Dan Viera was actually Annabelle's handler. Okay,
he was the one going on on taking Annabelle out
on tour and uh they did the weekend and getting
spurt Sunday rolls around and you know, they had a
(41:50):
very successful turnout after the show though after they closed down.
Have Been then was later found unalived in his room,
and you know, of course, a lot of people are
blaming that on Annabelle, saying that annabel was responsible for that,
(42:13):
and you know, really kind of pushing into pressing into
the idea that kind of they get what they deserve
in a sentence. And yet yeah, yeah, it's just a
lot of very it's bringing a lot of very hostile
(42:34):
energy around.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Yeah, there's so much there's way too much punitive behavior
in this world. So I'm so sorry. I heard about
the first guy that died as a result of of
annabel I didn't hear about this one. What was the
circumstances of his death? He was found? How did he die?
Speaker 2 (43:02):
That's one of the questions we have right now, because
I don't think there's really been a cause of death
it put out publicly. Yet I've heard various things I've
heard that was drug related. Yeah, so.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Until we get you know, like an autopsy report, there's
really no sense in even trying to you know, honestly,
like I said, once you clear something out, it just
kind of creates a political vacuum. So I wouldn't be
(43:41):
surprised if there was something else, you know, following it around,
because I mean, it's it's famous, you know, and with
the kind of dark, twisted history of Annabelle, it's probably
attracted an entity that's a little dark and twisted.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
I can't say for sure, but it's a good chance.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Yeah, yeah, any other costumes we attracted to that which.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Is attracted to right.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
One of the things that I find too involvement when
we talked about this case, that it involves just the
power of belief, is you know, first of all, there's
there's the idea that Annabelle was not originally a a
(44:42):
haunted punject that Annabelle. That energy was fed to Annabelle
is part of the theory, now, is it. What's the
term they use, a grigore? Yeah, and you know, and
then of course us you have the masses feeding it
(45:05):
energy as well. Yeah, and so you know, other people's
energy is pouring into it. Now going oh, this is
bad job feeding all that energy.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Oh oh my, putting an eggre on Annabelle. Oh my goodness.
I didn't even think about that, all of that energy
going into it. But you know that Eggre wouldn't have
been there from the very beginning. It wouldn't have been
done until she got famous and somebody somewhere was like,
(45:42):
oh I got an idea. Yeah, wow, that thing's huge
by now.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Yeah, And that's kind of That's one of the theories
that we're working on now is that you know, this
is what is come to come into manifestation because of
all the right, you know, people are are prescribing godlike
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characteristics to Annabelle, talking about Annabelle is responsible for burning
down buildings and creating tornadoes and just davaging entire neighborhoods
and all kinds of things. So they're really attributing almost
godlike energy to this all. And I think that is where,
(46:35):
you know a lot of people are kind of going, yeah,
where do we where do we stop here? You know,
and how do you stop this momentum? Right, because it's
it's very dangerous, I mean, the things that you and
(46:57):
then of course you have people like that, right, you know,
popping in going hey, I just bought the Warren House
and this is the most important, uh purchasing the history
of paranormal you know, and this is a big deal
because you know, so they're really driving that energy forward
(47:20):
in that sense, you see what you say.
Speaker 3 (47:23):
My question about Matt is did he just buy it
because it's famous and quirky, or did he buy it
because he seriously believes and understands you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
Right.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
If he bought it and he's not taking things seriously,
he might be in some trouble, right.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
So, you know, So what he's telling people is that
he bought it, first of all, because it is the
Warrens how and he feels like it's an important part
excuse me, of paranormal history, so it's a big deal
for him. But he also supposedly bought it because of
(48:17):
the impact, the importance you know, of the paranormal and
his I guess, his desire to interact with the paranormal.
So he's you know, he's going at it as if
(48:38):
from the direction of, you know, I believe in the paranormal.
I want people to go in. I want people to investigate.
I want people to you know, see what they can find,
you know, in this house. Because he apparently he feels
like there's some value two doing you know this thing.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
Ah well, I mean there, I mean, there is value
you know, I mean to me, you know, paranormal investigation
is is is a science basically, and I've learned that
it's just it's it's just basically a science that we
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haven't quite figured out how everything works. We have a
pretty good idea, but maybe we don't. We haven't yet
developed the tools to measure everything yet. And you know, uh,
it's a science and development. Let's put it that way.
So it is important. Well, I don't know, I mean,
maybe he's maybe he's going to do right by it.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
I know, right, So, the the deal is is that
he he bought the property and is contracted for five
years as the caretaker of all the objects in the museum. HM.
(50:13):
So him and his partner now are the rightful caretakers
of Annabelle and the other objects in there for the
next five years. One of my questions is, is after
that five year period, then what.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
I don't know. I mean, when you tell me who'd
bought that house, I was just kind of like, h,
I mean, I don't know, I don't know. I can't
I can't I can't judge. You know, maybe he knows
(50:55):
a lot. Maybe he's like a closet, you know, paranorl
investigator geek, and we just don't know.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
That's kind of what he seems to be trying to
pass himself off as Denis. One of my moderators asked,
what about Robert the Doll?
Speaker 3 (51:12):
Robert the Doll? Uh, if somebody else had asked me,
I haven't actually looked into him yet, but somebody did
ask me, and I did. I went so far as
I kind of googled it is kind of a creepy
looking doll, but but I haven't actually done anything with him,
(51:35):
so yeah, maybe I'll check him out.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
This is one of those one of those objects that
I kind of go, I'm want to put that on
my bucket list for things to research.
Speaker 4 (51:50):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
And then very quickly because it's just like you said,
he's a little creepy, I mean.
Speaker 3 (51:57):
A very creepy looking. How it's uh, it's a very
old doll, isn't it from I don't know, from like
the first part of you know, the last century or something.
Speaker 6 (52:10):
Yeah, yeah, and so I don't know, I just get
I just get the feeling that avoidance is a really
good thing with this, but it's incredible creepy.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
Yeah, you know what I mean. It's so, you know,
there's certain things in the world of the paranormal. If
you're a paranormal investigator, like going with our gut feeling,
it's usually never a bad thing. And I feel like
a lot of us fall into that category of going
(52:50):
what we feel. Is that how you pretty much operate
most of the time this kind of Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (52:56):
Am definitely an energy reader, which an energy reader is
nothing more than just an extremely empactic person as somebody
who you know, feels right, feels the environment, feels other people,
and so I do. And a lot of people they
(53:18):
pass that off as being you know, oh it's my
gut instinct. No, you're actually you're actually reading the energy
of the environment or of people around you. And so yeah,
I'll walk into a place. Even when I was a child,
it was funny because my mother was kind of spiritual,
(53:39):
you know, and we would walk into places and I
would immediately not feel good. I'd be nauseous, or I'd
be like kind of oh, you know, I don't feel good,
and I'm a child, I should feel great, right, I'm
a little kid. And she knew as soon as I
(54:01):
started feeling that way, She's like, oh, we gotta go
and there was a house that my parents were gonna buy,
and that happened. I walked in and I got nauseous
and I just had just this weird head feeling and stuff.
And Mom was like, yeah, we're not going to buy
this place. It was almost like she was using me
(54:23):
as a as a as a radar or something. But
but yeah, even today, when I walk in places, I
hospitals a lot of times, especially certain we have a
hospital here that's very, very old, and so you know,
(54:45):
the older the hospital, the more suffering, the more energy,
the more you know, negative energy that's imprinted into it.
And every time I walk in that place, I just
I get gnawed just so bad.
Speaker 2 (55:04):
I have definitely had my experiences with that feeling. It's
just overwhelming, I call it.
Speaker 5 (55:12):
It just feels, yeah, and we're just when you when
you walk into that, there's definitely this desire to want
to bend quickly, right, you know. I think a lot
of times, especially like you know, when you deal with
children who are experiencing these things, I think, by nature,
(55:35):
we just want to go just walking on, you know,
And of course that's not what's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (55:42):
And a lot of times.
Speaker 5 (55:45):
You find people that they want to be a.
Speaker 2 (55:50):
Full blow confrontation with a child, you know, having a
melt down going no, no, you know, and and that happens.
You know, you were literally forced to succumb to the
desire of a child.
Speaker 4 (56:08):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
And there's no way to walk away from that, which
is not necessarily a bad thing. You can be very
beneficial and very helpful in a lot of ways, because
if you continue to press in, you may wind up
with something on the bottom of your shoe you really
don't want there, right, So yeah, and let me because
(56:30):
I know the last time you were on you showed
me a video clip, but I think I shared it
with the audience.
Speaker 4 (56:38):
Of a.
Speaker 3 (56:42):
Oh, set of scales. The scales, I actually I actually
have them right here, the same set.
Speaker 2 (56:49):
Oh wow.
Speaker 3 (56:50):
Yeah, I keep I keep them very close by. This
is kind of one of my ghost doorbells. When I
see it moving, I know I have somebody close so right.
Speaker 2 (57:05):
And now, the significance of that, and talking about the
child energy is a lot of times you've said that
there are times when the children really you're attracted to
that and you know, just full on, just go for
(57:29):
the full blown We're going to play with this thing
now game and they get it going really well. The
video you showed me was going back.
Speaker 3 (57:38):
It was, yeah, that was a very cool video because
it was there was a music box playing in the background.
I don't even know why I turned the music box on.
I just thought, oh, you know, they're kids. They're like this,
you know, and they're moving it in time to the
music box, and I thought, wow, that's very cool.
Speaker 2 (58:00):
That was extremely coul.
Speaker 3 (58:02):
But you know, a lot of times this is interesting.
Every every parent out there, you know, who has had
a kid since we have these light up toys, you know,
these music playing toys, electronic toys, has experienced those toys
(58:22):
going off randomly for no reason. And I had toys,
uh myself, I have a I have an eight year
old child, and uh, you know, five years ago when
he was still playing with those toys, those toys would
go off randomly at random three o'clock in the morning,
(58:43):
the one of these start lying, you know. And and
it was so funny too, because I said, I said
something about it to somebody and they said, oh, that
just means the batteries are dying. Really, if the bad
are dying, why would the thing start playing I mean,
(59:04):
that makes no sense at all, but that's what people
tell themselves to feel better, you know, because in their
heart of hearts, they know that it's something else. Yeah,
I actually had. I had a lot of because whether
or not a place is haunted has more to do
(59:26):
with when than where. Okay, I don't care if your
place was built last week. You will occasionally have a
ghost in your house. But if they don't fight, if
they don't see anything interesting, they're not going to hang out.
They're just stopping in and going oh okay, and then
they move on.
Speaker 2 (59:47):
Right.
Speaker 3 (59:48):
Well, if you have toys laying around everywhere, and child
a child ghost comes, they're going to stick around. And
I had this brother sister combo come and stop by
and they hung out for a while and h my son.
(01:00:08):
I told him to go to bed, and I was
in the other room folding clothes. And about thirty minutes later,
I hear this stump tum m m m m dum
across my floor and I'm like, I told him to
go to bed, And I get up and I walk
in the other room. He is sound asleep. I was like,
(01:00:30):
oh okay, so I, you know, grab my equipment and
I'm doing and I'm following them, and I hear this giggle.
I could hear he giggle. And it was a brother
sister that died in the same incident. And they they
(01:00:51):
had just all this time, they'd just been roaming the
earth having a blast, you.
Speaker 7 (01:00:56):
Know, exploring, and when they realized that I could see
or that I could perceive them, they ran and.
Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
Hid like they were in trouble. I was like, no, no,
it's okay.
Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Wow, anyway, And this is you know, this is kind
of our lives if you think about me, literally, this
is this is what our world is about a lot
of times for those of us suit do investigation, you know,
engage with the paranormal. So as we're starting to round
(01:01:37):
up to the top of the hour, first of all,
I want to thank you again for coming on. You
are always one of the people that when I bring
onto the show. You bring such a fresh energy to
doing the topics that we talked about. And there's just
(01:01:58):
there's so much, so many things that we could talk
about that could give us in so much trouble these days,
but you bring a very fresh new look to things.
I really appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
Thanks.
Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
As we're closing out the night, though, I would like
for you to give us a little insight, some words
of wisdom for to leave with us tonight concerning the
paranormal and the things that we may come in contact with,
(01:02:36):
if you will the.
Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
Way the pair, you know, just like life is what
you make of it, you know, that kind of goes
through for paranormal stuff too. The spirit world is it's
not scary. I mean, it's not scary to me anyway.
(01:02:58):
There's when I was growing up, Yeah, I was scared
of go It's just like you know, most kids. And
then when we grew up and I realized that they're
just people, you know, suddenly nothing's scary to me anymore,
you know. And people get freaked out when they see
(01:03:22):
an object move or a light flicker or something, and
it's like, no, no, no, it's okay. They're just letting
you know they're there, you know. So just don't be scared.
Keep a positive mindset, you know, because if if you're scared,
or if you're expecting to see something scary, then you will,
(01:03:45):
you know.
Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
So. And the big thing to remember too, and this
is so important, is to remember that, like you said,
ghosts were at one time someone's someone and I think
that's very important, wow wisdom to pass on to people.
Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
Thanks for watching, Tom.
Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
I really really appreciate you coming on tonight. It's been
a really fun experience, and I really want to get you.
I want to get you to continue to come home
from time to time to talk with us about you
some of the stuff you know, some of the big
topics and some of them not so massive topics uh
(01:04:37):
huh that really bring about meaning and value in the
pheromormal community. So I'm gonna go on and close round
this off and close us out for the night. If
you will hang on for a moment, though, I will
ack with you.
Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
Okay, sounds good.
Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
All right, guys, I gotta tell you, I really really
appreciate time so much. She brings so much energy, good
energy into some very hard topics sometimes. And you know,
when when we talk about the things that you know,
we're experiencing and the paranormal especially some of the things
(01:05:21):
we're experiencing, and it is very hard, it's very hard
information process sometimes. But it's always good news when we
have those in the community who can bring light and
positivity into the things that a right hard. You know,
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the information that we have to judges. Sometimes they just
don't feel right to us. Again, I want you, guys,
if you made it this far, drop me a line,
give me, give me some feedback on what you thought
about tonight's show. If we touched on anything that really
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resonated with you, let us hear about it. And may
your journey always be magic.
Speaker 4 (01:06:29):
Waited for so long to see. When you come back
to me through the walls and battles that were lost,
we're all again. It's you and me. The rest is history.
Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
To be danced together in different fifteen.
Speaker 4 (01:07:13):
Hundred, fifteen hundred ends. For we must have been loved,
we must have been suffer la past life
Bud.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Hello everybody, and welcome back to Magical Journey Podcast. I
am your host, Daniel Ian Kahun and this is Friday
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so I got to tell you guys, my guest tonight
was with us on episode ten, way back to the
beginning of this show, so it was a bit of
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a journey from there to now. But I am really
excited about tonight and tonight's interview because my friend is
definitely one of the people that you want to get
to know if you want to know about paranormal investigation,
about the the unknown, and how to know the EndNote,
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ladies and gentlemen, welcome with me to the stage and
ye hey, hey, so you know what, my folks know
a little about you from a previous episode, but give
us a little bit of information on you and what
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you do and what your journey is about.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Okay, So essentially I'm a ghost hunter and I'm a
paranormal investigator, but I have kind of a unique approach.
I don't just go in and with the goal of attaining,
you know, documented evidence. I actually go in and I
use spiritual communication and I actually speak to them. I
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learned their stories, and then at the very end, I
cross them over, which sometimes doesn't make me a very
popular person. Sometimes sometimes people want them to hang around
because you know, it's it's a profitable but that's that's
(04:51):
what I do so, and I just feel like and
I don't get paid for this, This is just I
feel like this is the right thing to do, you know, so.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Right, and when you talk about okay, so let's let's
discuss the passing them over apart for a moment, because
I think a lot of people may be a little
bit confused when they first hear that. Right, exactly does
it mean to cross or pass somebody over?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Okay, so you've heard the term, you know when it's
it's a cliche that you know, when somebody die, Oh,
go towards the light, Go towards the light. And what
they're referring to is the portal that takes you into
the other dimension, the you know, the spirit world. But
(05:42):
sometimes sometimes that portal is missed because it's only open
for a short amount of time. It doesn't just hang open.
We don't have portals just hanging open everywhere. So and
so what happens is they that energy gets trapped here,
and it's really it's not a good thing for anybody,
(06:08):
not just the entities involved, but anybody because it's trapped energy.
A lot of times it's energy that's confused or scared, lonely.
You know, a lot of negative energy, so it helps
to kind of get that energy off the earthly plane
and back to where it is supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
You know, it definitely does. And you're right, it can
be very It's anywhere from very confused to almost just
I hate to say the word for it, well, but yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Or are feeling abandoned, you know, like, wait a minute,
I thought I was supposed to You know, most people
are like I thought I was supposed to go to heaven?
What is this?
Speaker 4 (06:59):
You know?
Speaker 2 (07:01):
But all of a sudden you are not where or
where you thought you would be, or you know, you
are not who you thought you would be, right exactly.
And I think that's one of the things that so
many people get confused about whenever you talk about the
process of passing forward, of passing on right. I think
(07:24):
a lot of people it's this view that you know,
this is the process, and this is how it's supposed
to work, and it's going to go seamlessly that way, right,
And then it happens and you're like, oops.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Right right, and you know, I've run into I've run
into an earth bounds that they stayed behind for a reason.
There was a husband, a man somebody I actually knew
in life, which was weird, I remember from my childhood.
But I found him and he had stayed behind because
(08:08):
him and his wife made a pact that when they died,
they were going to stay put and wait for the
other one. And they both ended up kind of stuck here.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
So never a good idea. Yeah, I don't do that. Yeah,
you never did very well.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Ones.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Once you cross over, you can come back, you can
go back and forth.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Right, it's not like you know, one way door. It's
definitely revolving.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Right.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
So let's talk for a minute about because one of
the things that I experienced recently, and I got the
opportunity to have just a really rare experience, was going
to a place in Franklin, Kentucky, which is called the
(09:02):
Old Stone Jail and there you know that facility, that
building has been in use since the Civil War times.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah, so there's graffiti on the wall from the Civil War. Yeah,
And there's a lot of energy there in that area.
And I just remember at one point just feeling a
lot of heaviness, and you know, my friends that were
there were like, tell me what's going on? What are
you feeling? You know, and I was trying to particulate
(09:35):
this and I just could not get it out. Yeah,
and afterwards I told the message, you got to understand,
like whatever is here is very heavy energy, and they
understood completely. They got it. They were kind of connected
to it too. But this is one of the things
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a lot of people don't understand is that you when
you leave here, you know, whatever state of mind you're in,
whatever state of spirit you're in, that kind of that's
the energy that kind of lingers afterwards. Yeah, and so
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and what was so, Tanya, This is what was so
amazing to me. It was like and it was kind
of weird too, Like downstairs there was this area that
had all this like war memorabilia and uniforms and photographs
of men who had served and port and right there
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at the entrance way to this room, it was that
heavy smell of men's cologne, very heavy smell of men
column and everywhere you went in that room, it followed you.
And I was just like, Wow, this is really crazy.
I don't know who this is, but it they're really persistent.
(11:03):
So tell us a little bit about your experience with
with that kind of energy that kind of I'm gonna
say almost alpha energy that it's just like I'm here,
you're gonna.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Know so, uh, I actually ran into Okay, So anything
that you put mental energy towards, you're gonna attract it, right, Okay,
And this is gonna sound really nuts. Here we go.
I can't I can't lie. So there there was a
(11:41):
time my uh, my boyfriend is he's very much into
like true crime stuff and I he was watching a
documentary and I was kind of listening to it and
I was thinking about it, and next thing, you know,
I ended up attracting the entity that that documentary was about.
(12:07):
And you talk about powerful. Powerful. When it came into
the room, it just my whole body just lit up.
It was absolutely insane, and it was somebody who hadn't crossed,
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and it was somebody who had killed a lot of people.
And anyway, he yeah, he had this huge, huge energy.
And at first he came in and he was very
kind of aggressive, and you know, and I started talking
to him. And the reason he didn't cross over is
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because when he died, he saw the portal, but he
refused it because he thought for sure that if he
went through that doorway that he was going to go
to hell. So he was like, no, I'm just going
to stay here. But yeah, it wasn't anybody that was
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like super well known, but it was a serial you
know unliver.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yeah, that's the kind of energy that definitely. So when
you go to these places, I mean obviously, like you said,
there are some people there just like the claws come
out that the thing will start showing because they look
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at you and they're like, oh, this is trouble walking
through the door. Right, how do you address that because
that's kind of a heavy Well.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Here, here's the thing. And this is what makes it different.
My experience different than most is usually when they see
somebody like me walking through the door, they're like, ooh, intruder. Intruder,
somebody who wants to you know, not always, I mean,
sometimes they want to be seen. Sometimes they're you know, performers,
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But a lot of times they'll be like an intruder, like, oh,
your trouble. But once I talk to them and I
tell them why I'm there and that hey, I can
help you, I can help you. Don't you want to
go home? Don't you want to see your past loved
ones or you know, what have you? And after that
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they're usually pretty syrupy sweet with me. All that aggression
kind of gets quelled and they're like, oh, oh, this
person has something I need, you know. And a lot
of times when you run into difficult personalities, you end
up with a lot of like narcissistic characteristics, you know
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what I mean. And one of the hallmarks of narcissism is,
you know, if if they have a use for somebody,
they're going to treat them very very.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Well, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
So yeah, it usually once they find out why I'm
they're usually they're very very nice to me and very welcoming.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
So wow, that's good to hear, because I know, you know,
there's some people that when you walk up on their
property and you know, they're there to make a bob
and they see people like you as the person taking
the money out of my pocket. And unfortunately, the paranormal
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I mean you and I know this is probably better
than a lot of people do. The paranormal community is
just ransidly full a lot of people who are out
to make a bob and absolutely, you know, and that
is what the community lives for in some places, you know,
because I mean, who doesn't want to freemail and think
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about it? So if you if you get to the
point where maybe you're kind of being viewed as the enemy.
M hmm, then how do you go about I guess
what's your breakthrough with that? Because that's a tough place
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to be at.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Are you talking about with the living?
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Okay, with the living?
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
So I am not welcome at places. I am not
welcome at places that use entities as you know, uh,
furniture or amenities, or they don't they don't want me around.
(16:55):
I've actually sat in parking lots for and done my thing,
and then I learned how to This is funny. I
learned how to kind of do it remotely where I
like call call them in. And when I figured that out,
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that was just it just took off after that because
I didn't actually have to travel to the places, you know,
to do what I do. And I try.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
I try to.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Leave the famous places alone as much as possible. But
if I go I'm sorry. If I go on a
website and the very first page is come see our ghosts,
you know, and da da da da da, I'm like, okay,
you're next, I'm sorry. And like I said, I'm not
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a very popular person with some places. So In fact,
some places make you sign a waiver saying that you
won't try to help them or you know, try to
clean the energy or the Stanley Hotel. Actually that's because
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I didn't tell him why I was there. Yeah, I
didn't tell him why I was there. I ended up
that was one place I ended up doing it from
the parking lot.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I mean, yeah, because how do you go about It's like, huh,
I'm Tanya, I'm here to clean house, all right. I mean,
there's just no easy or fun way to address the
reason why you're there and your places like the Stanley,
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which is a very well known, very famous, very famous place.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
When I came back home from that trip, I was
talking to a fellow gast hunter who was in the area,
and I just happened to disclose to that person what
I did. He was not happy with me at all,
And that was kind of the first time I ran
into that and I realized, Oh, I mean, I guess
I need to not talk about this too much. But
(19:20):
here's the thing, and it's a phenomenon that happens with
legendary places, with famous places, just because you clean out
what's there, Okay, you have people who are dying, they
don't cross over and they're like, ooh, my family and
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I used to go to the Stanley every summer. I'm
gonna go check it out. So it doesn't stay empty
for long, I promise you.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
And I think that's as sort of the ideology that
both impression people have, that oh, when you go and
empty something out, it's always empty. It's never been to
be a thing again, right, and See says it sounds
like quantum entanglement.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
And yeah. And the other thing too, is you have
to make a distinction between the actual entities and the
residual hauntings or the energy imprints, because there are two
different things. The energy and prints are gonna be there.
There's nothing I can do about that really, or I
don't have the knowledge of how to take care of those.
(20:37):
But the entities themselves, you know, And you always hear
stuff like that with haunted places. You know. It's like, oh,
on certain nights, the lady in white will descend the
stairs and da da da da, And do you really
think there's a ghost that's waiting and going, Oh, it's
eight o'clock, time to go down the stairs. No, that's
a residual haunting. That's an energy imprint, you know. And
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it's interesting too, because energy imprints, the energy will imprint
way stronger in moments where there is either vast repetition
like that lady probably went down those stairs every single
day for fifty years in that same house, you know,
or high emotion, if there's more, there's trauma, if there's
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you know, intense fear, then then that energy is going
to get imprinted stronger onto the environment.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Exactly exactly. That's one of the things that it's hard
for some people to understand too. It's like when you're
talking about imprinting. Yeah, I think a lot of people
kind of they can't really wrap their head around them
what this means. They don't get that energy is kind
(21:59):
of like film in a sense, and you, as your
actions are developing onto that energy m hm, your experience.
For instance, one of the most common reactions in theaters
is the sound of the audience laughing, and it's just
(22:22):
the ears. It's recorded in the air there, and so
people oddably hear this laughter, a lot of people laughing
at once at something, and you know, they it's hard
for them to I mean, I can't imagine walking into
a theater you know, mine in my own business checking
it out. Oh that's pretty and all of a sudden
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hearing this multitude of people laughing right when something right here?
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Right?
Speaker 2 (22:53):
So when you how do you explain to people who
are trying to, I guess, come to terms with all
of this. How do you explain to them, first of all,
that what they're experiencing is actually very normal. And also
(23:17):
how do you explain to them that not only is
it normal, it's very okay to accept it.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
So are you talking about like when they experience paranormal things?
So like if somebody sees something or they hear something.
A lot of times I'll explain to them that we're
kind of like, we're kind of like radios and entities
are kind of like radio stations, okay, radio waves, and
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you have to be kind of vibrating at the right
frequency in order to perceive them. Us vibrate at a
rate that you're more likely to see them, okay, and
then some of us vibrated at different frequency, and it's
it's more rare, you know, But yeah, we're kind of
like it's kind of I explain it like that, and
that kind of makes them feel better. I explain it
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also that they're just people. That's it. They're just people,
and really honestly, they're they're less It's less dangerous to
run across a ghost than it is to run across
Joe blow on the street, because Joe Blow on the street,
you know, they can pull a knife on you or something.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
You know.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
So the people that the entities that I've spoken to,
most of them, I'd say ninety percent of them are
just super nice and super respectful. And you know, there's
only been just a small percentage that are kind of
(24:58):
I call them cranky. They're just they're crapy. Yeah, and
so and a lot of them too, just from being stuck.
You know, they've kind of been humbled like, oh.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
You know.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
So but usually, I mean, once I explain that, usually
people are pretty they're they're good with it.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
You know, that's really really good. Oh, estimony is their
experience with you.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Oh yeah, I've done spiritual communication for him family members.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
So yeah, it sounds like a real very positive experience
happened there.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
So let's back up for a second, though, because not
all experiences are positive or and you know, and there
are some things you know, in our recent their normal
news history that have you know, come across the wire
that are very alarming to some people. And some of
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the things that we're seeing and hearing from just bad choices.
Have you know, a large group of people very alarmed?
And you know, and you know people are asking, hey,
at what point do we stop using the term for
(26:38):
entertainment purposes only? And so let's talk about that for
a minute. How do you how do first of all,
how do you view some of the current experiences going
on in the paranormal community with people engaging in appropriately,
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if you will, with objects energy that's not necessarily meant
to be helpful to them. If that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
That to me, that question could cover two or three
different topics. Are you talking about like uh like binding
stuff like haunted, hanted dolls.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Kind of things, dolls experiences where where you know, the
hitchhiker effectism is in full force. You know, something is
latched onto an object or people you know, and boom
here we are you know, and you are forced to
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experience it's a very unpleasant thing. It's a result you know,
casing point you hanna build all experience.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
So okay, so there's two different scenarios. There may be
more but there's two that just come off the top
of my head. Number one, you have people that will
do energy work to actually artificially bind a spirit or
(28:32):
a ghost to an object like a doll, and they
actually sell haunted dolls. I can't remember who sells them.
I know, between like eBay and Etsy, I can't remember
which one, but one of them allows you to sell
haunted dolls, and the other one was like, no, no,
(28:53):
we're not going to be doing that. I think it's
eBay that doesn't let you do that. But anyway, for
a long time there what I would do, in my
bid to do the right thing is I would go
on those that website and I would look up haunted
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dolls for sale, and I would do energy work myself
and remotely unbind them and then cross them over. And
that also makes me not a very popular person.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
In some part. How do you how do you go about,
you know, engaging with people like you know, Matt right
from people like that who intentionally you purchase property and
objects for the sake of entertainment.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
I mean that well, okay, so, and I think some
of this has to do with religious beliefs. I I
think I don't know because I'm not really in that
mindset that those people are in, but a lot of
people they they're into that and they're like, they don't
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see anything wrong with it. And I think what they
don't understand is that every ghost, every ghost was at
one time somebody's someone. They are people. And if you
are not willing to say it to a person, a
(30:32):
living person, do it to a living person, then you
shouldn't be doing it to a ghost either, because they're people.
They're just people that don't have their meat suits anymore.
That's it. So that's my stance, And I mean, yeah,
I've kind of come under a lot of criticism for
(30:53):
what I do with regards to haunted dolls, but sorry
that to me that it's the ethical thing to do,
you know. But there's also another scenario too, and I've
heard of this before. Like, for example, we'll say a
child dies and they don't cross and they're here and
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they latch onto their favorite toy. They're not being artificially
bound to it. They're just following it wherever it goes.
And if somebody at some point destroys that toy or
mistreats it, or let's say it's a dollhouse, and they
decide to paint it or something, that child is going
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to be pretty ticked off, you know. And I've heard
stories about that too, where somebody will you know, get
freaked out and they'll destroy an object that there's an
entity following it around, you know, and then bad shit
(31:57):
starts happening, you know, to them. Really, the only thing
you have to do is or is just cross them over.
That to me, that's like the cure all for everything
is you talk to them, you explain it, you say, hey,
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you want to go home, and you cross them over,
and boom, your object is no longer haunted. Now, I know,
here we go with religious beliefs though, we have a
lot of people that think that the things that possess
those objects are demons. And I don't really want to
get into religious topics, so we'll we'll just leave.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
It at that, right, right, And I agree with you
with that, is like, okay, there's so much here that
you can cover with that. I'm not a real big
fan of, you know, getting into the debate over you know,
belief systems and so forth, so so many of them,
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you know, but the bottom line is is, you know,
if it feels like something you shouldn't do you should
do it?
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Right?
Speaker 2 (33:17):
I mean, how simple is that? It's a self answering question,
yes or no? Should you do it? Probably not? So
let's let's talk about this format because you know, and
for those of you who are just joining us, if
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anything that we're talking about right now resonates with you,
how you feel about haunted objects, haunted places, h those
lovely hitchhiker experiences, lend me a comment below to let
me know what your thoughts are, because a lot of
people have a lot of interesting opinions on those. Yeah,
(34:03):
but that said, you know there is something. So so
let's go back to annabel for a minute, and the
and the child energy thing, because with some things, like
you said, children will naturally be drawn to them because
it was their thing and live, so they will follow
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the object to literally to know when.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
It brings them comfort. It's familiar, you know.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
So tell me your thoughts then, based on that with Annabelle, Yeah,
I know that.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Look really, So I became interested in Annabelle because I
kept hearing that it was a demonic, demonically possessed all
is what I and so I checked into it and
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I started communicating and asking questions, and da da da,
And what I what I found was that it was
a little girl ghost earth bound. That was and I
really don't know if she was bound to it or
(35:23):
if she was just following it. I didn't I didn't
actually make that distinction. But it was a little seven
year old girl and her name was Rose. And when
I found that out, I called I called her in,
I drew her in and talked to her and then
(35:44):
crossed her over. However, here we go, we have the
legendary thing going on again, where you know, it creates
kind of a political vacuum, you know, you get rid
of one and it's like, oh, I want to go
be associated with that person, you know, that place or thing.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
You know.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Interesting story jumping off from that, the San Antonio ghost tracks,
if anybody has heard of those? Okay, So that story
was complete bunk, and everybody knows it. It was proven
that it was just total. It was a it was
(36:27):
an incident that happened up in Ohio, I think it was,
but because it appeared in the newspaper in San Antonio,
everybody thought it happened in San Antonio, and so it
became this huge legend. Right here's the thing though. I
went down because I wanted to experiment, and I went
(36:49):
down and I checked it out, and do you know,
I found eight entities down there, not because they were
kids on that bus, but because here we go let
the legendary status people die. They're like, oh, yeah, the
ghost tracks. We used to go there Halloween, and they
go down there and they want to be a part
(37:10):
of it, you know, And so it attracts even though
you know the story itself was bunk. But going back
to child ghosts, child ghosts are very unique. They're very
unique in that when you before you cross over, you
(37:33):
are still very much who you were in life. Okay,
you have not crossed over, you have not been reinitiated
into your core self, your higher self. Okay, so you're
still very much who you are, who you were in life. Right.
And if somebody dies as a child, there's still a child.
(37:57):
They didn't live long enough to have that expence to
be like, oh, I don't I don't hurt people, or
I don't you know, they don't have that maturity level,
that emotional intelligence, you know, to be like, oh, if
somebody tells me no, or somebody does something I don't
like you know, I you know, I really shouldn't get them,
(38:18):
you know what I mean, I should, you know, So
they didn't live long enough to have that experience. So
child ghosts are the ones that are more likely to
make themselves known, knock on the walls, try to scare
people because they think it's funny, funny, haha, made you jump,
you know, and so so yeah, so a lot of
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times when people experience these kind of more intense hauntings
where you know, it's deemed like a demonic haunting, it's
usually a child. That's been my experience, you know, in case.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Annabel which is been just the hot topic for a
while now.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Right, very famous. Yeah, so I crossed over the spirit
that was associated with that doll, But that doesn't mean
that there's not another one now in its place, following
it around saying oh I want to oh, oh Annabelle.
I really loved that story when I was alive, So
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I want to be associated with that, you know, that's
that legendary, legendary phenomenon that happens.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
And do you feel like I really want to be
careful how I praise some of the stuff. So with Annabelle,
you know, there was a whole experience with Dan River,
which was very unfortunate. We had a lot of discussions
(40:01):
in the community on you know, the what ifs and
all of that associated with uh, Annabel and Dan. You know,
there's there's so so very much that had been said
and community is kind of almost torn apart in a
(40:22):
sense about their their thoughts on annabel about Dan's passing,
how those things are connected together. So from your standpoint, though,
from from your understanding, m h, how do we how
(40:45):
do we not only like connect to this story in
a way that's going to be not horrnfle but how
do we begin to process the true ruth behind Annabelle
and what may or may not have happened in a
(41:05):
way that's going to not only be an harmful but
projunct to.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
Yeah, yeah, Now, remind me what happened to that, gentleman,
because I heard about there was somebody that she uh
unlived right, right? So is that the same new one
or is that.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
The same guy? Dan Viera was actually Annabelle's handler. Okay,
he was the one going on on taking Annabelle out
on tour and uh they did the weekend and getting
spurt Sunday rolls around and you know, they had a
(41:50):
very successful turnout after the show though after they closed down.
Have Been then was later found unalived in his room,
and you know, of course, a lot of people are
blaming that on Annabelle, saying that annabel was responsible for that,
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and you know, really kind of pushing into pressing into
the idea that kind of they get what they deserve
in a sentence. And yet yeah, yeah, it's just a
lot of very it's bringing a lot of very hostile
(42:34):
energy around.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Yeah, there's so much there's way too much punitive behavior
in this world. So I'm so sorry. I heard about
the first guy that died as a result of of
annabel I didn't hear about this one. What was the
circumstances of his death? He was found? How did he die?
Speaker 2 (43:02):
That's one of the questions we have right now, because
I don't think there's really been a cause of death
it put out publicly. Yet I've heard various things I've
heard that was drug related. Yeah, so.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Until we get you know, like an autopsy report, there's
really no sense in even trying to you know, honestly,
like I said, once you clear something out, it just
kind of creates a political vacuum. So I wouldn't be
(43:41):
surprised if there was something else, you know, following it around,
because I mean, it's it's famous, you know, and with
the kind of dark, twisted history of Annabelle, it's probably
attracted an entity that's a little dark and twisted.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
I can't say for sure, but it's a good chance.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Yeah, yeah, any other costumes we attracted to that which.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Is attracted to right.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
One of the things that I find too involvement when
we talked about this case, that it involves just the
power of belief, is you know, first of all, there's
there's the idea that Annabelle was not originally a a
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haunted punject that Annabelle. That energy was fed to Annabelle
is part of the theory, now, is it. What's the
term they use, a grigore? Yeah, and you know, and
then of course us you have the masses feeding it
(45:05):
energy as well. Yeah, and so you know, other people's
energy is pouring into it. Now going oh, this is
bad job feeding all that energy.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Oh oh my, putting an eggre on Annabelle. Oh my goodness.
I didn't even think about that, all of that energy
going into it. But you know that Eggre wouldn't have
been there from the very beginning. It wouldn't have been
done until she got famous and somebody somewhere was like,
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oh I got an idea. Yeah, wow, that thing's huge
by now.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Yeah, And that's kind of That's one of the theories
that we're working on now is that you know, this
is what is come to come into manifestation because of
all the right, you know, people are are prescribing godlike
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characteristics to Annabelle, talking about Annabelle is responsible for burning
down buildings and creating tornadoes and just davaging entire neighborhoods
and all kinds of things. So they're really attributing almost
godlike energy to this all. And I think that is where,
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you know a lot of people are kind of going, yeah,
where do we where do we stop here? You know,
and how do you stop this momentum? Right, because it's
it's very dangerous, I mean, the things that you and
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then of course you have people like that, right, you know,
popping in going hey, I just bought the Warren House
and this is the most important, uh purchasing the history
of paranormal you know, and this is a big deal
because you know, so they're really driving that energy forward
(47:20):
in that sense, you see what you say.
Speaker 3 (47:23):
My question about Matt is did he just buy it
because it's famous and quirky, or did he buy it
because he seriously believes and understands you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
Right.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
If he bought it and he's not taking things seriously,
he might be in some trouble, right.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
So, you know, So what he's telling people is that
he bought it, first of all, because it is the
Warrens how and he feels like it's an important part
excuse me, of paranormal history, so it's a big deal
for him. But he also supposedly bought it because of
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the impact, the importance you know, of the paranormal and
his I guess, his desire to interact with the paranormal.
So he's you know, he's going at it as if
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from the direction of, you know, I believe in the paranormal.
I want people to go in. I want people to investigate.
I want people to you know, see what they can find,
you know, in this house. Because he apparently he feels
like there's some value two doing you know this thing.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
Ah well, I mean there, I mean, there is value
you know, I mean to me, you know, paranormal investigation
is is is a science basically, and I've learned that
it's just it's it's just basically a science that we
(49:25):
haven't quite figured out how everything works. We have a
pretty good idea, but maybe we don't. We haven't yet
developed the tools to measure everything yet. And you know, uh,
it's a science and development. Let's put it that way.
So it is important. Well, I don't know, I mean,
maybe he's maybe he's going to do right by it.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
I know, right, So, the the deal is is that
he he bought the property and is contracted for five
years as the caretaker of all the objects in the museum. HM.
(50:13):
So him and his partner now are the rightful caretakers
of Annabelle and the other objects in there for the
next five years. One of my questions is, is after
that five year period, then what.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
I don't know. I mean, when you tell me who'd
bought that house, I was just kind of like, h,
I mean, I don't know, I don't know. I can't
I can't I can't judge. You know, maybe he knows
(50:55):
a lot. Maybe he's like a closet, you know, paranorl
investigator geek, and we just don't know.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
That's kind of what he seems to be trying to
pass himself off as Denis. One of my moderators asked,
what about Robert the Doll?
Speaker 3 (51:12):
Robert the Doll? Uh, if somebody else had asked me,
I haven't actually looked into him yet, but somebody did
ask me, and I did. I went so far as
I kind of googled it is kind of a creepy
looking doll, but but I haven't actually done anything with him,
(51:35):
so yeah, maybe I'll check him out.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
This is one of those one of those objects that
I kind of go, I'm want to put that on
my bucket list for things to research.
Speaker 4 (51:50):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
And then very quickly because it's just like you said,
he's a little creepy, I mean.
Speaker 3 (51:57):
A very creepy looking. How it's uh, it's a very
old doll, isn't it from I don't know, from like
the first part of you know, the last century or something.
Speaker 6 (52:10):
Yeah, yeah, and so I don't know, I just get
I just get the feeling that avoidance is a really
good thing with this, but it's incredible creepy.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
Yeah, you know what I mean. It's so, you know,
there's certain things in the world of the paranormal. If
you're a paranormal investigator, like going with our gut feeling,
it's usually never a bad thing. And I feel like
a lot of us fall into that category of going
(52:50):
what we feel. Is that how you pretty much operate
most of the time this kind of Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (52:56):
Am definitely an energy reader, which an energy reader is
nothing more than just an extremely empactic person as somebody
who you know, feels right, feels the environment, feels other people,
and so I do. And a lot of people they
(53:18):
pass that off as being you know, oh it's my
gut instinct. No, you're actually you're actually reading the energy
of the environment or of people around you. And so yeah,
I'll walk into a place. Even when I was a child,
it was funny because my mother was kind of spiritual,
(53:39):
you know, and we would walk into places and I
would immediately not feel good. I'd be nauseous, or I'd
be like kind of oh, you know, I don't feel good,
and I'm a child, I should feel great, right, I'm
a little kid. And she knew as soon as I
(54:01):
started feeling that way, She's like, oh, we gotta go
and there was a house that my parents were gonna buy,
and that happened. I walked in and I got nauseous
and I just had just this weird head feeling and stuff.
And Mom was like, yeah, we're not going to buy
this place. It was almost like she was using me
(54:23):
as a as a as a radar or something. But
but yeah, even today, when I walk in places, I
hospitals a lot of times, especially certain we have a
hospital here that's very, very old, and so you know,
(54:45):
the older the hospital, the more suffering, the more energy,
the more you know, negative energy that's imprinted into it.
And every time I walk in that place, I just
I get gnawed just so bad.
Speaker 2 (55:04):
I have definitely had my experiences with that feeling. It's
just overwhelming, I call it.
Speaker 5 (55:12):
It just feels, yeah, and we're just when you when
you walk into that, there's definitely this desire to want
to bend quickly, right, you know. I think a lot
of times, especially like you know, when you deal with
children who are experiencing these things, I think, by nature,
(55:35):
we just want to go just walking on, you know,
And of course that's not what's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (55:42):
And a lot of times.
Speaker 5 (55:45):
You find people that they want to be a.
Speaker 2 (55:50):
Full blow confrontation with a child, you know, having a
melt down going no, no, you know, and and that happens.
You know, you were literally forced to succumb to the
desire of a child.
Speaker 4 (56:08):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
And there's no way to walk away from that, which
is not necessarily a bad thing. You can be very
beneficial and very helpful in a lot of ways, because
if you continue to press in, you may wind up
with something on the bottom of your shoe you really
don't want there, right, So yeah, and let me because
(56:30):
I know the last time you were on you showed
me a video clip, but I think I shared it
with the audience.
Speaker 4 (56:38):
Of a.
Speaker 3 (56:42):
Oh, set of scales. The scales, I actually I actually
have them right here, the same set.
Speaker 2 (56:49):
Oh wow.
Speaker 3 (56:50):
Yeah, I keep I keep them very close by. This
is kind of one of my ghost doorbells. When I
see it moving, I know I have somebody close so right.
Speaker 2 (57:05):
And now, the significance of that, and talking about the
child energy is a lot of times you've said that
there are times when the children really you're attracted to
that and you know, just full on, just go for
(57:29):
the full blown We're going to play with this thing
now game and they get it going really well. The
video you showed me was going back.
Speaker 3 (57:38):
It was, yeah, that was a very cool video because
it was there was a music box playing in the background.
I don't even know why I turned the music box on.
I just thought, oh, you know, they're kids. They're like this,
you know, and they're moving it in time to the
music box, and I thought, wow, that's very cool.
Speaker 2 (58:00):
That was extremely coul.
Speaker 3 (58:02):
But you know, a lot of times this is interesting.
Every every parent out there, you know, who has had
a kid since we have these light up toys, you know,
these music playing toys, electronic toys, has experienced those toys
(58:22):
going off randomly for no reason. And I had toys,
uh myself, I have a I have an eight year
old child, and uh, you know, five years ago when
he was still playing with those toys, those toys would
go off randomly at random three o'clock in the morning,
(58:43):
the one of these start lying, you know. And and
it was so funny too, because I said, I said
something about it to somebody and they said, oh, that
just means the batteries are dying. Really, if the bad
are dying, why would the thing start playing I mean,
(59:04):
that makes no sense at all, but that's what people
tell themselves to feel better, you know, because in their
heart of hearts, they know that it's something else. Yeah,
I actually had. I had a lot of because whether
or not a place is haunted has more to do
(59:26):
with when than where. Okay, I don't care if your
place was built last week. You will occasionally have a
ghost in your house. But if they don't fight, if
they don't see anything interesting, they're not going to hang out.
They're just stopping in and going oh okay, and then
they move on.
Speaker 2 (59:47):
Right.
Speaker 3 (59:48):
Well, if you have toys laying around everywhere, and child
a child ghost comes, they're going to stick around. And
I had this brother sister combo come and stop by
and they hung out for a while and h my son.
(01:00:08):
I told him to go to bed, and I was
in the other room folding clothes. And about thirty minutes later,
I hear this stump tum m m m m dum
across my floor and I'm like, I told him to
go to bed, And I get up and I walk
in the other room. He is sound asleep. I was like,
(01:00:30):
oh okay, so I, you know, grab my equipment and
I'm doing and I'm following them, and I hear this giggle.
I could hear he giggle. And it was a brother
sister that died in the same incident. And they they
(01:00:51):
had just all this time, they'd just been roaming the
earth having a blast, you.
Speaker 7 (01:00:56):
Know, exploring, and when they realized that I could see
or that I could perceive them, they ran and.
Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
Hid like they were in trouble. I was like, no, no,
it's okay.
Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Wow, anyway, And this is you know, this is kind
of our lives if you think about me, literally, this
is this is what our world is about a lot
of times for those of us suit do investigation, you know,
engage with the paranormal. So as we're starting to round
(01:01:37):
up to the top of the hour, first of all,
I want to thank you again for coming on. You
are always one of the people that when I bring
onto the show. You bring such a fresh energy to
doing the topics that we talked about. And there's just
(01:01:58):
there's so much, so many things that we could talk
about that could give us in so much trouble these days,
but you bring a very fresh new look to things.
I really appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
Thanks.
Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
As we're closing out the night, though, I would like
for you to give us a little insight, some words
of wisdom for to leave with us tonight concerning the
paranormal and the things that we may come in contact with,
(01:02:36):
if you will the.
Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
Way the pair, you know, just like life is what
you make of it, you know, that kind of goes
through for paranormal stuff too. The spirit world is it's
not scary. I mean, it's not scary to me anyway.
(01:02:58):
There's when I was growing up, Yeah, I was scared
of go It's just like you know, most kids. And
then when we grew up and I realized that they're
just people, you know, suddenly nothing's scary to me anymore,
you know. And people get freaked out when they see
(01:03:22):
an object move or a light flicker or something, and
it's like, no, no, no, it's okay. They're just letting
you know they're there, you know. So just don't be scared.
Keep a positive mindset, you know, because if if you're scared,
or if you're expecting to see something scary, then you will,
(01:03:45):
you know.
Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
So. And the big thing to remember too, and this
is so important, is to remember that, like you said,
ghosts were at one time someone's someone and I think
that's very important, wow wisdom to pass on to people.
Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
Thanks for watching, Tom.
Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
I really really appreciate you coming on tonight. It's been
a really fun experience, and I really want to get you.
I want to get you to continue to come home
from time to time to talk with us about you
some of the stuff you know, some of the big
topics and some of them not so massive topics uh
(01:04:37):
huh that really bring about meaning and value in the
pheromormal community. So I'm gonna go on and close round
this off and close us out for the night. If
you will hang on for a moment, though, I will
ack with you.
Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
Okay, sounds good.
Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
All right, guys, I gotta tell you, I really really
appreciate time so much. She brings so much energy, good
energy into some very hard topics sometimes. And you know,
when when we talk about the things that you know,
we're experiencing and the paranormal especially some of the things
(01:05:21):
we're experiencing, and it is very hard, it's very hard
information process sometimes. But it's always good news when we
have those in the community who can bring light and
positivity into the things that a right hard. You know,
(01:05:50):
the information that we have to judges. Sometimes they just
don't feel right to us. Again, I want you, guys,
if you made it this far, drop me a line,
give me, give me some feedback on what you thought
about tonight's show. If we touched on anything that really
(01:06:11):
resonated with you, let us hear about it. And may
your journey always be magic.
Speaker 4 (01:06:29):
Waited for so long to see. When you come back
to me through the walls and battles that were lost,
we're all again. It's you and me. The rest is history.
Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
To be danced together in different fifteen.
Speaker 4 (01:07:13):
Hundred, fifteen hundred ends. For we must have been loved,
we must have been suffer la past life
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