February 29, 2024 • 40 mins
All the way from the other side of the globe, our next guest Topher Field from Melbourne Australia speaks to us about morality and how you can’t outsource your conscience, it has to come from inside and it is something you need to protect inside yourself and then act upon it when the time comes.
He gives us a clear warning that this type of lockdown that he experienced and that we did to some degree here in America could be coming again.
“Topher is on a mission to empower people,” and I hope you have time to listen to our discussion and that it inspires you to take action.
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He gives us a clear warning that this type of lockdown that he experienced and that we did to some degree here in America could be coming again.
“Topher is on a mission to empower people,” and I hope you have time to listen to our discussion and that it inspires you to take action.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl3QV28my60
TopherField.net and @TopherField on Twitter/X.
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/maine-source-of-truth-podcast--5501107/support.
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All the way from the other sideof the globe. Our next guest to
offer, Field from Melbourne, Australia, speaks to us about morality and how
you can't outsource your conscience. Ithas to come from inside. It's something
that you need to protect inside yourselfand then act upon it when the time
comes. He gives us a clearwarning that this type of lockdown that he
experienced in Australia is something that wedid to some degree see here in America,
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and that could be coming again.It might be coming towards November when
we have our elections. To offeris on a mission to empower people,
and I hope you have time tolisten to our discussion and that inspires you
to take action. This is themain source of Truth podcast and very few
parents have said anything, but Seanmcgriarty did. Sean mcbriarty is in the
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futst OFCUS today. Sean, though, how pervasive is that in our school?
Sean mcgriarty joins us. Now hejust won this lawsuit and gets forty
thousand dollars from the school board.Good morning Shawn through his most dangerous dad,
apparently, how are you how you'llbe still buy a local district for
exposing the transgender library display. Canyou explain to what's going to happen?
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Hey? You all? So witheverything that's going on to we just talked
to this just like alcohol mail aboutthe over festialization of books and libraries at
the pool and they look like youput the handle on that. That's the
why I makes you to support there. I ask you to support this podcast
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please consider chipping in at www dotgibson go dot com, slash Sean
mcbriardy and now onto the show.All right Folks, Season three, episode
one oh four Top for Field,Good people break bad laws. Today is
leap Day. I guess right,that's what they call it. February twenty
ninth, twenty twenty four comes everyfour years as we record this, but
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based on our guests, it's actuallymarched first over in Australia, which is
pretty incredible. So I appreciate hiswillingness to get up early and talk to
us on the podcast. So oneof the things that I do on the
podcast I try to throw in aBible verse, this one I wanted to
do about morality and try to finda biblical representation. So I think this
is First Corinthians fifteen thirty three.Do not be deceived. Bad company ruins
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good morals. And so one ofthe things that we'll be talking about with
Tofer is, you know, youhave to really internalize that you have to
be able to come to grips withwhat's right when you know not anybody's around,
like you have to do this selfcheck. And as we talk about
it, I mean, I've kindof gone through ups and downs here in
the last few days with a lotof stuff going on. I've been sick,
although I'm feeling better, but man, you know, really an emotional
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story in watching his YouTube video andI'll put that in the show notes,
but I really, geez, justone of those things where morality has to
come from within. It can't bebought, it can't be sold, can't
be paid for. But we've gotto be able to figure out what's right
and wrong, and you know,use a lot of these biblical principles to
simply get us back to where weshould be because we've really gone astray it
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feels like so some updates. YesterdayI interviewed with my lawyer, Mark Randaza
by Rachik from Lives of TikTok aboutmy fifth lawsuit with schools here in Maine.
You know, all the tie inwith the First Amendment rights currently have
three active lawsuits going on at thesame time, and I got to be
honest with you, folks, that'sreally stressful for me. I've taken these
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on as a calling. Each onehas presented itself and I guess, you
know, either I've put myself inthese positions or others have, you know,
naming certainly some of these lawyers forthe school districts that are just out
to get me. You know,they're trying to basically take me off the
board. And if they can takeme off the board here in Maine as
one of you know what I perceivedto be one of the only folks that
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have had national attention from Maine regardingthe school issues here, they know that
their life is going to be awhole lot easier with parents because parents are
not going to be made aware what'sgoing on. So I want to thank
Grandad's of legal group Center for AmericanLiberty for coming on board to support these
legal battles, battles that will reallyimpact how we're able to report the news,
post content on social media, reallystand up at the local school board,
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a town council meeting. When governmentemployees are doing things you disagree with,
you should be able to call themout by name and regardless of the
language you use. The only twothings a First Amendment doesn't protect is in
citing violence and actual obscenities. Theseven things that George Carlin said you couldn't
say on TV on Sean mcbriordy dotsubstack dot com, where I would love
for you folks to be a paidannual I guess you'd say investor in my
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work. I just created a story, the second of a multi part discussion
main expanding healthcare centers inside elementary schools, and the subheadline is would you ever
leave your young child alone at thedoctor's office? Of course you wouldn't,
right for most of us, wouldn't. The goal of the State of Manta
is to infiltrate our k through twelveschools and servicing the health of children while
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they're away from their parents. We'veseen this come up. We had again,
we documented this situation, girls asyoung as fourteen have an IUDs implanted
in them at school without parental permission. And we'll have more on that information
again, but this is there arethirty or so of these school based health
clinics and your local schools now herein Maine, and we documented it with
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Health Choice Maine and the last onewas called building a Backdoor to influence your
child. So this is funded inpart by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation,
where you know everything WOKE is funded. And instead of them really working
on the clear educational assessment issues,Maine has never had lower academic assessments than
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right now. The least educated groupof individuals coming out of these schools,
the least educated generation in our state'shistory. And they are purposely pushing this
to essentially be able to capture yourchild from birth to voting age and then
some. And so if you,as a parent, are not doing exactly
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what the government wants you to doas far as parenting goes, maybe at
some point they'll be taking your kidsaway. So this is this is kind
of the middle piece of the sandwich. It's not as maybe edgy as the
first article was, but this isone of those things where these goals of
the government is to get embedded withyour kids and to really again, in
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my four years now almost of doingthis almost four years, I believe they
want to separate the parent from thechild. Government wants to parent your kid,
and there should be no co parentingwith the government. It's very simple.
So these school based health clinics area major concern. The next one
is old Town Elementary School in RSUthirty four, where in March they have
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planned a full service medical center completewith lab capabilities and physicians on staff in
elementary school. If you can believethat. Last night in Gardner, Maine,
another article that we had broke awhile back on my sub stack,
and I'm going to pull up theactual art article title, which sounds kind
of silly, but trans bathroom andlocker room policies put your daughters at risk.
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So I wrote that on January thirtyfirst. So parents are starting to
come to the forefront, they're startingto become aware of what's going on.
And last night in Gardner, onehundred and seventy four girls sign a petition
against the mandate, the same thingthat's happening in Brewer that allows boys into
female spaces. So you know,people are trying to stand up. The
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madness in our schools needs to stop, and the kids deserve an education,
not in doctrination. That is onehundred percent true, and I don't really
have a dog in the fight.That's from Mike Soboleski for Congress, who
went and spoke on those issues therelast night. Kudos to Mike for doing
so. We hope that this informationwill continue to come out regardless of you
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know, if the mainstream lamestream newsjust don't want to hear it. It's
really unfortunate. But you know,in this in this situation, one of
these folks, these this transgender who'son the school board there in that district.
Their quote and again that I broke, you know a month ago,
was as for the young women ofour district, legally and morally speaking,
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there is no boy in that room. And that's from Jack pitter Offf,
who was once Angie pitter Offf,who now has decided that she's a dude.
She's on the school board there infrom Randolph, an area that I
used to actually used to manage thegardener shop and save way back in nineteen
ninety eight. In an area I'mpretty familiar with. So but and then
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that person is also an advocate ofplanned parenthood and gender firming care and all
the other garbage that these far leftradical dingbats are part of. So but
yeah, many schools in me andparents are starting to understand these trans policies.
Same thing that's in Hamden RSU twentytwo in my district, my local
district. It's going to get somebodyhurt. And I got to spend some
time with Scott Smith and his facefamily over the weekend down in Loudon County,
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Virginia. I really appreciate Scott andhis daughter and his wife are standing
tall in the face of adversity.You know, you may remember that down
in Louden County, Virginia, ScottSmith was the poster child for Merrick Garland's
Department of Justice Domestic Terrorism letter backand I believe it is the fall of
twenty twenty one. At the sametime, I was having my you know,
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very public fight with MSCD fifty oneand the lying narcissist goofball, Jeff
Porter, the superintendent down there.But you know he he Scott stood up
for his daughter after a month ofnot getting any answers. He's now filed
a thirty million dollar lawsuit, whichis a Title nine federal lawsuit. He's
on the verge of filing another lawsuit. And I'm going to play a clip
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from he and I speaking at SeapackLive where he broke this news. I
want to say thank you. Iknow, you know our friendship has blossomed
over the last couple of years.I'm glad to be down here at Seapack.
We're excited for President Trump tomorrow,absolutely, and you know I've seen
a lot of folks here, soi just want to say thank you very
much. One last thing you hadasked about the lawsuits, so we had
just you know, we got thatTitle nine out, but within the next
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couple of weeks, we expect tobe laying out a three count indictment against
four or five different entities locally,So another legal another legal trial coming up
hopefully, or another case potentially.Yeah, it's gonna be against several entities
in Loudon County, and it's goingto be on the state level instead of
on the federal level. You know, federal courts are a lot different than
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state courts. But I'll tell youwhat Sean, you and I've talked about
this a lot. I don't thinkthere's an amount of money that can buy
my silence, right right, Yeah, that's what they want to do.
Yeah, they want to blow youback in the corner and have a non
disclosure agreement. Make sure you nevertalk about this again, you know,
because the more you talk about it, the more parents understand that they should
be pulling their kids out because it'snot safe. You know. I mean,
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who's as a as a father myselftwin girls? You know, do
you do you wait until your daughteris sexual assaulted or raped in a bathroom?
Is that the point where you finallydetermined that the schools are bad?
I mean, you had no ideathat that was going to occur. But
I had no clue until I gotthat terrible phone call that day. So
yeah, but you know, Ireally worry about our children. I believe
our children are our future, andfrom what I see of our children and
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our future, I'm very concerned.So we need to do a better job.
We need to do a better job. Every parent that goes to the
podium at any of these local mainschool board meetings should be referencing what happened
in loud And County, Virginia.As I've said many times, it's not
if a girl will be raped ina bathroom here in Maine, it's simply
when it is a ticking time bomb. And we need folks to understand that
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this isn't necessarily about transgender rights.In this case in Brewer, they actually
have a gender neutral bathroom that theyalready fought for, yet this boy won't
use. Instead, he wants toput pressure on these girls in the restroom.
And it's insane, complete insanity.What's going on. So listen,
We've got a lot of things tofix here. But I always say,
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immediately pull your kids out of theseschools. Do it today. And if
you want to fight for your schools, because I believe they're worth fighting for,
do that only after you've secured thesafety of your family. He's a
husband at homeschool, father of three, and an entrepreneur. Our first multinational
podcast, It's an entire day forwardthere for our next guest. It's Thursday
here in Maine and Friday there.He's Australia's leading and most recognized libertarian political
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commentator and human rights activist. He'sbeen seen on Sky News Newsmax and features
in The Spectator and many other publications. He's also the host of ass Wire
and he's from the most lockdown cityin the world where he wants freedom from
us all the director of Battleground Melbourne. He's an ordinary person who faced extraordinary
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times and made life changing decisions asstand up for what is right even when
the government was wrong. His mottois good people Break bad laws, and
he has the T shirt and thebook cover to prove it, and you
can get those both at good PeopleBreak Badlaws dot com. His story is
very powerful and he had to makepersonal plans like that of a drug lord
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or a hit man if you canbelieve it. And he was simply a
political activist, so he knows thefight is far from over. You can
follow his work at tofferfield dot netand toffer Field on Twitter and x topper
Field. Welcome to the Main Sourceof Truth podcast. All right, brother,
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thank you for joining us in thewee hours in the morning on the
other side of the globe. Tougher, how's it going today? Look showing
it's going very very well this morning. I mean he's only six o'clock in
the morning, so that hasn't beentime for anything to go wrong. But
I'm happy to report everything's going verywell. Good good deal, and I
appreciate you joining us. So I'mgoing to drop this Australian saying I was
searching the internet for things that mightbe relevant based on watching the video from
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Battleground Melbourne live at Seapac from Australia. I pretty much the spit out the
dummy. I guess if I'm sayingthat right, I mean I was.
I was full blown historical, likealmost crying fit, such an emotion story
of really you and three other peoplewho just simply chose to speak up,
And we don't have enough time totalk about how broken Australia is after this
COVID political theater lockdown and the restincitement, you know, riot police rushing
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moms and dads. But it's notthat much different to what we're seeing here
in the United States. It's justkind of like relative degrees of how bad
it is. So freedom of speechbeing something near and dear to my heart,
especially when it comes to parents speakingup about these issues and these government
run k through twelve schools and thenin your book, you know, good
people break bad laws. You talkabout civil disobedience and the modern age,
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so I really want to kind ofkey in on that and what you found
out in your research, and obviouslyyou know you've done your own research,
but also talking to a lot ofother people in your country. What's the
deal with civil disobedience nowadays, inthis in this modern era, and how
do we just raise the awareness toget people to get off their butts and
do something. Yeah, it's agreat question. It's one of the most
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important questions about time, because unfortunatelythese sorts of things are not over and
ly are going to seek government,continue to infringe our rights and continue to
try and become bigger and more powerful. And the phrase that I use is
this, the limits of the government'spower are defined by the limits of the
people's obedience. And this is historicallytrue. This is something that we know
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from history. You can have abill of rights, you can have a
constitution, you can have separations ofpowers, you can have these things in
place. They're all good things tohave, but in the end, there
are just words on a page andthey don't carry any power. What gives
them power is when the people standup and say, no government, I'm
not going to comply with that orno government, you can't tell me not
to do that thing. So it'sactually the limit of our obedience that becomes
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the thing that the kids government powerin check. And when it comes to
civil disobedience, which is obviously acrucial part of that, there's a funny
thing that happens. Pretty much everybodywill agree that civil disobedience is right.
In hindsight. People look back atthe civil disobedience movement of the civil rights
movement in the sixties and they say, oh, yes, they are absolutely
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correct to do that. Look backhistorically at civil disobedience in all sorts of
different contexts, and they say,oh, yes, they were right to
do that. But we know thatat the time, at least for a
time, a majority of people saysthat they were wrong. So at the
time, in real time, amajority of people are going to get it
wrong and say that that active civildisobedience was wrong and was a bad thing
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to do. And it's only thenthe passage of time that people begin to
realize, oh, actually they wereright after all. So what my book
is about, and what I'm reallyabout now and trying to speak to the
world, is to try and reframecivil disobedience when you see it in real
time, to give people a moraland an ethical and a practical framework to
look at an act of civil disobedienceand figure out in real time is this
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genuine civil disobedience or is this justcausing trouble, causing riots? Is this
just looting? Because I'm not advocatingfor burning buildings down and for stealing and
for these sorts of things. That'snot what I'm talking about here. But
what I'm talking about is people whoare looking at what the government is telling
them to do and say, no, I'm sorry, my conscience requires me
to do something different to that,and then sticking to their guns and experiencing
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the consequences and doing that for thepurpose of pricking the conscience of the people
around them. And if we canget good at that, then my hope
is that we can avoid having toescalate to a level where any sort of
violence becomes involved, and we cankeep government power in check without needing to
resort to revolutions. No, andthat makes sense. And interesting thing.
I had an English boss for awhile and I used to say to him,
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I'd say, Tim, I thinkof myself as someone of high conscience,
and he would say, either youhave conscience or you don't. You
know, there is no high orlow. You know, that thing in
the back of your head. Imean, blm. Riots, you know
in the summer a few years agoversus people questioning what's going on is a
much different framework. And you know, watching a lot of the videos from
your really your documentary on what's happenedin Australia and hearing that, you know,
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on the other side of the worldand thinking to myself, man,
those guys are nuts over there.You know, it couldn't get any worse.
But then you actually start to seethat in America the moral framework has
been sort of this degradation of moralmorality has happened over the last number of
years, and it just seems likeit seems like, I don't know,
the COVID political theater, if youwere kind of a sheep beforehand, if
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you were a sheep before COVID,coming out of COVID, now you're like
a super sheep, right, andyou don't want to say a word.
So one of the things that reallystruck me was in that Battleground Live seapack
video, one of the women thatwas up on stage with you talked about
the dangers of echo chambers and demonizingpeople with different views. How come,
and I'm put myself in this world, how come people like myself or you
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who simply have would appear to becommon sense, reality based framework, right
moral standing. How are folks likeus becoming demonized by people who just I
don't know, they can't get digtheir head out. Does that make any
sense? Like that's the same thingyou're seeing over there, right, yeah,
well, yeah, conformity and obedienceare actually most people's highest objectives,
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highest sort of values in life.Not that they would say that, and
not that they would acknowledge it,but that's actually actually the truth of it.
Before I come back to that,I want to come into what you
said before about conscience. Either youhave it or you don't, that's true.
However, different people have different thresholdsof what price they're willing to pay
in order to obey their consent.And this is what we saw. This
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is what we saw ever so clearlyin Melbourne there were people who had no
conscience and they went along with it, and they actually gleefully enjoyed the oppression.
They loved it. When the governmentwas shooting at it. They celebrated
that stuff online. They had noconscience. There were people with very high
conscience, people at myself, wheremy conscience called on me to do a
thing and I did that thing andthen and these are the people that I
really feel sorry for. There werethe people in between, whose conscience is
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alive and well, and they understoodwhat it was that they ought to do,
and they couldn't bring themselves to doit. They compromised their conscience.
And those people are left and arereally devastating position now, because when you
obey your conscience, you pay aprice immediately. That's why your conscience is
being tested, is because there's somekind of a consequence that's unpleasant. So
when you follow your conscience in asituation like this, you pay a price
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immediately, but you are rewarded inyour psyche, in your soul, and
even by those around you for therest of your life. But when you
break your conscience, you are excuseme sorry. When you obey your conscience,
your penalized immediately, not rewarded,your penalized immediately, and then you
enjoy rewards for the rest of yourlife. But when you break your conscience,
you receive your reward immediately, youavoid the consequences of having obeyed your
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conscience immediately, and then that's overand it's in the past, but you
suffer the consequences psychologically of having betrayedyour values for the rest of your life.
And so what this is about forme is finding those people that do
have a conscience. I can't activatesomeone's conscience if they don't have one,
but I want to find the peoplethat do have one and help them to
think through these issues and put themselvesin a position where they're going to follow
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their conscience, that are going todo what they know is right, because
in the long run, that's goingto be the best possible thing that they
could do. Now, as forthis conformity issue, this has been a
problem throughout history. The people thatactually stand up to the power structures that
are in place are always the minority. They're always always the few. And
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this has been historically true, youknow, for as long as we have
written history, for as long aswe have records. Now, what makes
one person different to another, Well, I'm not really one hundred percent sure,
But what I can tell you inmy case is I've spent fifteen years
as a political commentator, and oneof the things that I focus on.
One of the things that I dois trying to bring every issue back to
a set of cohesive, coherent principles. So I'm not looking at every issue
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on an issue by issue basis,what do I think about this issue.
I look at an issue and Isay, what does this issue say at
a level of principle, at alevel of philosophy, what does it say
about the power of government? Whatdoes it say about the role of humanity
on planet Earth? And we arevirus on the planet or are we actually
God's designated stewards of the planet.Those are two very different philosophies that are
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given issues might shed some light ondepending on what it is. And so
by bringing issues back to principles,you can end up with a much more
consistent way of viewing those issues anda much more consistent decision making process.
And so for me, the popularityof an issue or what the government is
saying about an issue is really avery secondary or tertiary consideration. I want
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to understand what is the issue,what's the data around the issue, the
sides around the issue, But moreimportantly, what are the fundamental principles that
the sides are actually based on,and I want to bring it back to
to a set of cohesive principles.So on that basis, the COVID reaction
was a total violation of human rights, and at a level of principle,
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I cannot stand for that. Icannot abide by that, I cannot agree
with that. Even if the virushad turned out to be quite serious,
I could not have accepted and agreedwith those violations of human rights, And
especially when the data very clearly showedthat the virus was not that serious for
the vast majority of people. Therewas just no way that I was ever
going to sit silently while human rightswere violated in to that degree. Well,
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it's an amazing process. One ofthe things as you're speaking, you
know, so is government or aswe say, the fourth branch of the
government. Media, Are they reallyframing people's conscience now? Like are they?
You know? You hear all thesesound bites and snapshots of what's going
on. At least here in Maineand the United States, there's not that
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many news sources you can trust.So do you think that people have just
kind of become sheepled from the medialike I mean, is that one of
the main drivers of what's going onhere. The government is basically using this,
like I said, we call itthe fourth branch of government here,
the media to frame the conscience.There's definitely a degree to which that you
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could express it that way. Iwould say, it's more that there's been
a void left because people have stoppedtalking to each other. We no longer
have of whether it was family andcommunity. We no longer have our evenings
around the campfire talking to each other. We're no longer really communing with each
other in that kind of sense.Day to day. We've largely rejected things
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like churches with most civil societies arestruggling to find members. Their membership is
very, very old. So thevast majority of the population have actually detached
themselves from the normal bonds of fellowshipthat would have kept people thinking about things
as a matter of principle and contentand listening to older people who've seen a
lot more and that understanding their perspectiveon things that can help us to understand
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what's happening today. A lot ofthat's been lost, and so the fourth
of states, Yes, they arevery much framing people's consciences, not necessarily
because they're faming people's consciences, butbecause no one else is. We've cut
everyone off, and we've cut ourselvesoff from these other sources where we could
have actually drawn our morality in ourworldview from. That makes sense. And
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so Sam Sorbo, who connected us, you know, one of the nicest
folks that I've met in the lastyear or so guys doing part of doing
this podcast. She's just great,she said to offer's on a mission to
empower people. Can you tell mea little bit about how you're trying to
do that to really get people whomaybe are afraid to then start to speak
up. I think that's one ofthe biggest questions that I continue to just
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you know, beat my head upagainst the wall, is like, how
do you get somebody to take thatmaybe conscience moving concern and then do something
with it. Yeah, well,let me answer that question by telling you
the story of one of the policeofficers that a protest is filmed when they
were out on the protests in Melbourne. This police officer was with the anti
terror squad. This was close tothe hype of the madness. This is
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where they were shooting outs we rubberbullets and doing all kinds of really really
violent things to us. And thisparticular officer is there, he's wearing body
armor, he's carrying an automatic weaponwith live ammunition in it, which he
wasn't using. He wasn't shooting anyone. But you've got to understand the disproportionality
of that level of equipment. Andyou know, these guys are working in
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teams, and there's thousands of policeout on the streets, all with weapons,
all with guns. And this isin a country where most of our
guns have been taken away from us, and they're wearing body armor in a
country where we don't have guns.I mean, just the disproportionality of the
police response was just incredible. Andthis very very courageous protester kept his phone
filming as he kind of walked pastsome anti terror police and one of them
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said go home, go home,or we'll arrest you. We don't want
to do it, but we will. And the protester says, well,
if you don't want to do it, don't do it. And the officer
turns around and says, well,I don't have a choice, you know,
I got it. I can't putfood on the table without this job,
and the protester says, well,what about those of us that around
here protesting? Why do you thinkwe're here. We're protesting because we can't
put food on the table. Andthe officer says, look, I understand
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you're being upset about all of this. You know, my wife's lost their
job as well, and that's whyI've got to do what I've got to
do. He's like, you don'thave to do it, mate, Like
you're the reason why we can't putfood on the table. And he finally
says, look, I'm I'm notqualified to do anything else in this stage
of my life, so this isit. I have to do this.
And what happens, what's revealed inthat conversation is that this man's conscience has
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been weaponized against his conscience, Hisobligation to his family has been weaponized against
his obligation to write and wrong.And now he's not wrong about his obligation
to his family. He's not wrongabout you know, he has an obligation
to put food on the table.But what he's done is that he's allowed
that to become the weapon by whichthe government makes him breach his own conscience.
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His family has become weaponized against hisconscience. And so the challenge that
I have for everybody, for you, for me, for your next door
neighbor, for anyone else that hasa conscience is to do a self audit
and honest, self ordered in theprivacy of your own heart. If you
were going to find yourself in aposition where you had to make a decision
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based on conscience and it was goingto cost you, what are the arts
that your head would be making totry and convince you to break your conscience.
Would it be money? Would itbe medical care? You know,
I have a child who needs medicalcare, and if I upset the government
or if I don't do these things. Would it be your living situation?
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Would it be family and friends thatwould reject you and would potendially make your
life unpleasant? What's the narrative thatwould be going on inside of your head
that has the potential to cause youto become that police officer where you're sitting
there defending yourself and saying, yes, I'm breaching my conscience, but I'm
doing it because I had to doit. I had no choice. What
are those things and are you willingto fix those things? If it's about
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income, are you willing to diversify, start a side hustle, do something
that's going to put you in aposition where your income is not going to
become the thing that causes you tocompromise your conscience. If it's about medical
care, if it's about your livingsituation, if it's about your social situation,
whatever these things are, are youwilling to fix them in advance?
Because if you can remove those temptationsin advance, then when your test comes,
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you are much more likely to passit and live the rest of your
days the way that I live nowwith the knowledge that I passed my test,
with the knowledge that I faced oneof the most serious moral, ethical
conscience tests that you can face,faced with people with buhla blas who are
willing to use them, and Istood by my conscience anyway, and I
did what my conscience required me todo. I cannot tell you how amazing
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it is to live with that knowledgeabout yourself. And I want everyone to
be able to live with that knowledgeabout themselves. But to get there,
you've got to fix these problems inadvance before your test comes. And believe
me, you've got maybe four orfive years maybe less you've got that,
I would say it best you've gotfour or five years before exactly this kind
of a test is coming to atown where you live well. And it's
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interesting that you say that, andas you're speaking, I'm thinking, you
know, I'm internalizing myself as you'retalking. And you know, two and
a half, almost three years agonow, I quit my job to kind
of take a few weeks off,take the summer off, and then got
pulled right back into you know,these school issues. And you know,
almost three years later, my familyhas paid for that pretty significantly. But
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one of the reasons that people can'tcancel me, at least right now,
is that I'm not beholden to anybodyfinancially except for my wife, who every
two weeks asked me when I'm gonnaget a real job again, and I
just I just hope that I couldkeep pushing her off a couple more weeks.
But it's one of those things thatit is. It's it's interesting that
you know that police officer, orin my view, I keep wondering why
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these school teachers don't speak up.But they're all afraid, They're afraid to
lose their job. But it.You know, courage is contagious and sometimes
it just takes one person to takea step forward. Now we're starting to
see in Maine some of these teachersresign with some pretty pretty specific points as
far as transgenderism and this woken doctornation, all these things going on.
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So but the other piece I guessthat I was going to kind of tie
into that is you also said thatmoral cowardice is the scourge of our time.
And so that's the other piece thatreally I struggle with, honestly tough
for every single day, like whycan't we get more people involved in taking
action? And so what would yousay as far as that's kind of a
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I mean, it's a tough word, right, moral cowardice, Like we're
saying, we're saying to them,hey, look, if you're not going
to have morality, what's the point. But can you expand a little bit
on that statement? And then again, you know, trying to try to
get people to turn that into youcomplaining into action is such a big deal.
You know. Yeah, here's thething that a lot of people don't
understand. A lot of people say, I would run into a burning building
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to save a child. Therefore,I'm courageous, and that's true. You
have physical carriage, but physical carriageand moral carriage come from two very different
places and they require two very differentperspectives. When you see someone who is
about tost suffer terribly in the physicalsense, you know there is a certain
psyche. Not everyone can do it, but people with carriage will then running
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and risk their own physical well beingin order to sort out that physical problem.
And it's seen with your physical eyesthe problem, and it stems from
this lack of community, this lackof connection that we were talking about a
moment ago, is that people don'tknow how to see with their moral eyes.
That's a different timeline, it's adifferent type of seeing. You're looking
at a different horizon, and itcan be for those that are used to
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seeing in the physical it can bea very very difficult thing to perceive what's
going on in the moral and sotherefore they don't even see the problem,
or they get easily duped into believingthat the problem is actually a good thing.
And that's what happened here in Australia, thanks to the media and thanks
to our politicians holding daily press conferencesand barraging people with misinformation was they literally
flipped on a head and turned thegood guys into the bad guys and the
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bad guys into the good guys.And because people don't have a moral compass
that is internal to them, theirmorality comes from the crowd around them and
are going along with what everyone elseis doing, then they become moral cowardies.
They just want to fit in.The last thing you want to do.
If you don't have a compass ofyour own and you're just going along
with the crowd, the last thingyou want to do is something that's going
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to draw the ire of the crowd. So fitting in becomes your number one
priority. And that's exactly what wesee, and that's where this moral cowardice
comes from. The key is thateach and every one of us has a
moral obligation to do our best tounderstand right and wrong. Now, I
would recommend going into the Bible,going into scripture and getting it from there,
but other people have others, excuseme, other ideas about that and
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where you get that from. Butwhat's crucially important is that you need to
go and get it yourself. Youcannot outsource your morality to the opinions of
others. And once you do that, and once you have your own internal
moral compass, it becomes possible foryou to have moral courage. But until
you have that internally within yourself,your default position is going to be moral
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cowardice. There's no doubt. That'san awesome way to describe it. In
fact, I was as you weretalking, I was taking some notes.
I mean, you know, justsaying you can't outsource morality is a pretty
interesting process when you think about it. That is what people are doing,
you know. There and again Italk about sheep a lot, you know,
just you know, sheep in apen. They all kind of want
to be in the pen. Evenwhen you open the door, they still
want to stay in the pen.And you're just like, man, I
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don't want to be there, youknow, I want to be the lion
who's out there trying to run aroundand you know, really raise the awareness.
But it is not easy, andit's certainly not easy. I mean
in these echo chambers of Facebook orsocial media, a lot of people complain,
but not a lot of people thentake that and go forward and take
action to expose it, or youknow, do what you've done and really
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document this. So how can Uh, really, what's what's next for you,
What's what's on the horizon? AndI want to have you tell folks
where they can follow your work andthose kind of things. Yeah, fantastic,
Thank you so much, Sean Wells. As Sam Silva said when she
interviewed me when I was there inFlorida just the other week, you know,
I'm on a mission to empower people, and people need to hear our
stories, not as a matter ofyou know, historical curiosity, all the
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big thing that happened during the day, but as a preparation for the test
coming for each and every one ofus, the test that we faced in
the last four years, and especiallytwo years ago in Melbourne, Australia,
where we were the most lockdown cityin the world. We had anti terror
police running around firing rubber bullets andall sorts of other munitions, pepperballs and
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the tear gas and everything else atcompletely unarmed, non violent people, simply
to get them to comply with thegovernment that is coming to a place near
you. And you need to bepreparing yourself and preparing your life. And
what I want to be doing isliterally bringing this message to every podcast that
I can possibly get onto. Iwant to speak from stages. I want
to bring Battleground moldn Live. That'sthe Seapac presentation that we did. I
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want to bring that to America.I want to do if I can find
someone who can put this together,I want to take that from city to
city and bringing a few hundred ora few thousand people at a time into
a room and having them hear thosestories and be impacted by the choices that
ordinary people made. That's the missionthat I'm on now. And if if
I can do that for the restof my life, then fantastic. And
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if in the process there can bepeople who will sink through these issues and
find their moral backbone, find theirspine, and make courageous decisions when the
government is wrong, then fantastic.My life will have been will have been
worthwhile. In terms of finding me, I highly recommend the Aussie Wire.
So that's where I'm most actively putout a couple of episodes of the news
every single week at the Aussie Wire. Myself personally, it's tofa Field top
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h r field Field. You'll findme at tofa field dot net, but
also all other social media, Facebookand ex is where I'm most active.
But also in terms of the documentary, you can watch Battleground Melbourne dot com.
It's available for free and on thesame website Battleground Melbourne dot com.
You'll also find Battleground Melbourne Live ifyou scroll down the page. So there's
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the documentary and then it's the livestage presentation. There are two different things,
but they're on the same website.Then from my books, from my
merch for my hoodies, for allthat sort of stuff. It's good people
break Bad Laws dot com. Awesome, man, I'm very proud of meet
met you, you know, overthe phone, and you know, built
an acquaintance with you to fotaph Imean, it's it's really I'm proud of
the work you're doing. It doeshelp me. It keeps me pumped up,
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you know, as emotional as Iwas watching the video and then talking
to you. I mean, itis. It is great to hear other
people on the other side of theglobe doing similar things. You're at a
much higher level than I'm doing it, but we're all trying to move the
needle and really push people into that, you know, like leaning into their
discomfort a little bit. So Iappreciate, you know, spending some time
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today and hope you can have areally good Friday there in Melbourne, Australia.
I appreciate it. Well, thankyou so much showing and and say,
Hia, sam phon me. She'san absolute legend. Some final truths
here as my dog Guss is besideme. You know, as you mentioned,
this is a test, right,this is a warning to Americans from
Melbourne, Australia. You know,we all saw in the news just how
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crazy things were over there, andyou know you thought that, oh,
that that could never happen here.Well, it has happened to certain degrees
in certain areas in the United States. And so you know, one of
the things one of the women inthe Battleground Melbourne Live event that I had
seen, and again i'll put itin the show notes. Just a great
video of these four sort of ordinarypeople rising up and taking a stand.
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But she said, this is mylife and I will decide what happens next.
And you know she also said shewanted to become a voice for the
voiceless. I think that's so important. So and again I got to be
honest with you. I bawled myeyes out watching the video, and you
know, really, what have webecome as a people. It's an embarrassment
in some of these cases of what'shappened with these weaponized police and lawfair and
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things. But as he said,the only thing that limits government power is
the limit of our obedience. Andso you know, you can't outsource your
morality, folks, We've got topull together. We've got to understand that
whether or not you're talking about COVIDlockdowns or K through twelve education, it
is one of those situations where sometimesgood people break bad laws. So I
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appreciate listening. Please share this podcastwith as many people as you can,
like it, subscribe, and uh, I'm also always looking for guests out
there, So folks that have beenon the podcast, folks that are listening.
If there's a compelling story, I'dlove to share that story nationally with
with my audience. So thank youvery much and appreciate your time. Round
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them all, Round them up,Round them up, pleased, and stay
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All the way from the other sideof the globe. Our next guest to
offer, Field from Melbourne, Australia, speaks to us about morality and how
you can't outsource your conscience. Ithas to come from inside. It's something
that you need to protect inside yourselfand then act upon it when the time
comes. He gives us a clearwarning that this type of lockdown that he
experienced in Australia is something that wedid to some degree see here in America,
(00:21):
and that could be coming again.It might be coming towards November when
we have our elections. To offeris on a mission to empower people,
and I hope you have time tolisten to our discussion and that inspires you
to take action. This is themain source of Truth podcast and very few
parents have said anything, but Seanmcgriarty did. Sean mcbriarty is in the
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futst OFCUS today. Sean, though, how pervasive is that in our school?
Sean mcgriarty joins us. Now hejust won this lawsuit and gets forty
thousand dollars from the school board.Good morning Shawn through his most dangerous dad,
apparently, how are you how you'llbe still buy a local district for
exposing the transgender library display. Canyou explain to what's going to happen?
(01:07):
Hey? You all? So witheverything that's going on to we just talked
to this just like alcohol mail aboutthe over festialization of books and libraries at
the pool and they look like youput the handle on that. That's the
why I makes you to support there. I ask you to support this podcast
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please consider chipping in at www dotgibson go dot com, slash Sean
mcbriardy and now onto the show.All right Folks, Season three, episode
one oh four Top for Field,Good people break bad laws. Today is
leap Day. I guess right,that's what they call it. February twenty
ninth, twenty twenty four comes everyfour years as we record this, but
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based on our guests, it's actuallymarched first over in Australia, which is
pretty incredible. So I appreciate hiswillingness to get up early and talk to
us on the podcast. So oneof the things that I do on the
podcast I try to throw in aBible verse, this one I wanted to
do about morality and try to finda biblical representation. So I think this
is First Corinthians fifteen thirty three.Do not be deceived. Bad company ruins
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good morals. And so one ofthe things that we'll be talking about with
Tofer is, you know, youhave to really internalize that you have to
be able to come to grips withwhat's right when you know not anybody's around,
like you have to do this selfcheck. And as we talk about
it, I mean, I've kindof gone through ups and downs here in
the last few days with a lotof stuff going on. I've been sick,
although I'm feeling better, but man, you know, really an emotional
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story in watching his YouTube video andI'll put that in the show notes,
but I really, geez, justone of those things where morality has to
come from within. It can't bebought, it can't be sold, can't
be paid for. But we've gotto be able to figure out what's right
and wrong, and you know,use a lot of these biblical principles to
simply get us back to where weshould be because we've really gone astray it
(03:07):
feels like so some updates. YesterdayI interviewed with my lawyer, Mark Randaza
by Rachik from Lives of TikTok aboutmy fifth lawsuit with schools here in Maine.
You know, all the tie inwith the First Amendment rights currently have
three active lawsuits going on at thesame time, and I got to be
honest with you, folks, that'sreally stressful for me. I've taken these
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on as a calling. Each onehas presented itself and I guess, you
know, either I've put myself inthese positions or others have, you know,
naming certainly some of these lawyers forthe school districts that are just out
to get me. You know,they're trying to basically take me off the
board. And if they can takeme off the board here in Maine as
one of you know what I perceivedto be one of the only folks that
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have had national attention from Maine regardingthe school issues here, they know that
their life is going to be awhole lot easier with parents because parents are
not going to be made aware what'sgoing on. So I want to thank
Grandad's of legal group Center for AmericanLiberty for coming on board to support these
legal battles, battles that will reallyimpact how we're able to report the news,
post content on social media, reallystand up at the local school board,
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a town council meeting. When governmentemployees are doing things you disagree with,
you should be able to call themout by name and regardless of the
language you use. The only twothings a First Amendment doesn't protect is in
citing violence and actual obscenities. Theseven things that George Carlin said you couldn't
say on TV on Sean mcbriordy dotsubstack dot com, where I would love
for you folks to be a paidannual I guess you'd say investor in my
(04:36):
work. I just created a story, the second of a multi part discussion
main expanding healthcare centers inside elementary schools, and the subheadline is would you ever
leave your young child alone at thedoctor's office? Of course you wouldn't,
right for most of us, wouldn't. The goal of the State of Manta
is to infiltrate our k through twelveschools and servicing the health of children while
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they're away from their parents. We'veseen this come up. We had again,
we documented this situation, girls asyoung as fourteen have an IUDs implanted
in them at school without parental permission. And we'll have more on that information
again, but this is there arethirty or so of these school based health
clinics and your local schools now herein Maine, and we documented it with
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Health Choice Maine and the last onewas called building a Backdoor to influence your
child. So this is funded inpart by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation,
where you know everything WOKE is funded. And instead of them really working
on the clear educational assessment issues,Maine has never had lower academic assessments than
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right now. The least educated groupof individuals coming out of these schools,
the least educated generation in our state'shistory. And they are purposely pushing this
to essentially be able to capture yourchild from birth to voting age and then
some. And so if you,as a parent, are not doing exactly
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what the government wants you to doas far as parenting goes, maybe at
some point they'll be taking your kidsaway. So this is this is kind
of the middle piece of the sandwich. It's not as maybe edgy as the
first article was, but this isone of those things where these goals of
the government is to get embedded withyour kids and to really again, in
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my four years now almost of doingthis almost four years, I believe they
want to separate the parent from thechild. Government wants to parent your kid,
and there should be no co parentingwith the government. It's very simple.
So these school based health clinics area major concern. The next one
is old Town Elementary School in RSUthirty four, where in March they have
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planned a full service medical center completewith lab capabilities and physicians on staff in
elementary school. If you can believethat. Last night in Gardner, Maine,
another article that we had broke awhile back on my sub stack,
and I'm going to pull up theactual art article title, which sounds kind
of silly, but trans bathroom andlocker room policies put your daughters at risk.
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So I wrote that on January thirtyfirst. So parents are starting to
come to the forefront, they're startingto become aware of what's going on.
And last night in Gardner, onehundred and seventy four girls sign a petition
against the mandate, the same thingthat's happening in Brewer that allows boys into
female spaces. So you know,people are trying to stand up. The
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madness in our schools needs to stop, and the kids deserve an education,
not in doctrination. That is onehundred percent true, and I don't really
have a dog in the fight.That's from Mike Soboleski for Congress, who
went and spoke on those issues therelast night. Kudos to Mike for doing
so. We hope that this informationwill continue to come out regardless of you
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know, if the mainstream lamestream newsjust don't want to hear it. It's
really unfortunate. But you know,in this in this situation, one of
these folks, these this transgender who'son the school board there in that district.
Their quote and again that I broke, you know a month ago,
was as for the young women ofour district, legally and morally speaking,
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there is no boy in that room. And that's from Jack pitter Offf,
who was once Angie pitter Offf,who now has decided that she's a dude.
She's on the school board there infrom Randolph, an area that I
used to actually used to manage thegardener shop and save way back in nineteen
ninety eight. In an area I'mpretty familiar with. So but and then
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that person is also an advocate ofplanned parenthood and gender firming care and all
the other garbage that these far leftradical dingbats are part of. So but
yeah, many schools in me andparents are starting to understand these trans policies.
Same thing that's in Hamden RSU twentytwo in my district, my local
district. It's going to get somebodyhurt. And I got to spend some
time with Scott Smith and his facefamily over the weekend down in Loudon County,
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Virginia. I really appreciate Scott andhis daughter and his wife are standing
tall in the face of adversity.You know, you may remember that down
in Louden County, Virginia, ScottSmith was the poster child for Merrick Garland's
Department of Justice Domestic Terrorism letter backand I believe it is the fall of
twenty twenty one. At the sametime, I was having my you know,
(09:22):
very public fight with MSCD fifty oneand the lying narcissist goofball, Jeff
Porter, the superintendent down there.But you know he he Scott stood up
for his daughter after a month ofnot getting any answers. He's now filed
a thirty million dollar lawsuit, whichis a Title nine federal lawsuit. He's
on the verge of filing another lawsuit. And I'm going to play a clip
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from he and I speaking at SeapackLive where he broke this news. I
want to say thank you. Iknow, you know our friendship has blossomed
over the last couple of years.I'm glad to be down here at Seapack.
We're excited for President Trump tomorrow,absolutely, and you know I've seen
a lot of folks here, soi just want to say thank you very
much. One last thing you hadasked about the lawsuits, so we had
just you know, we got thatTitle nine out, but within the next
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couple of weeks, we expect tobe laying out a three count indictment against
four or five different entities locally,So another legal another legal trial coming up
hopefully, or another case potentially.Yeah, it's gonna be against several entities
in Loudon County, and it's goingto be on the state level instead of
on the federal level. You know, federal courts are a lot different than
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state courts. But I'll tell youwhat Sean, you and I've talked about
this a lot. I don't thinkthere's an amount of money that can buy
my silence, right right, Yeah, that's what they want to do.
Yeah, they want to blow youback in the corner and have a non
disclosure agreement. Make sure you nevertalk about this again, you know,
because the more you talk about it, the more parents understand that they should
be pulling their kids out because it'snot safe. You know. I mean,
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who's as a as a father myselftwin girls? You know, do
you do you wait until your daughteris sexual assaulted or raped in a bathroom?
Is that the point where you finallydetermined that the schools are bad?
I mean, you had no ideathat that was going to occur. But
I had no clue until I gotthat terrible phone call that day. So
yeah, but you know, Ireally worry about our children. I believe
our children are our future, andfrom what I see of our children and
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our future, I'm very concerned.So we need to do a better job.
We need to do a better job. Every parent that goes to the
podium at any of these local mainschool board meetings should be referencing what happened
in loud And County, Virginia.As I've said many times, it's not
if a girl will be raped ina bathroom here in Maine, it's simply
when it is a ticking time bomb. And we need folks to understand that
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this isn't necessarily about transgender rights.In this case in Brewer, they actually
have a gender neutral bathroom that theyalready fought for, yet this boy won't
use. Instead, he wants toput pressure on these girls in the restroom.
And it's insane, complete insanity.What's going on. So listen,
We've got a lot of things tofix here. But I always say,
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immediately pull your kids out of theseschools. Do it today. And if
you want to fight for your schools, because I believe they're worth fighting for,
do that only after you've secured thesafety of your family. He's a
husband at homeschool, father of three, and an entrepreneur. Our first multinational
podcast, It's an entire day forwardthere for our next guest. It's Thursday
here in Maine and Friday there.He's Australia's leading and most recognized libertarian political
(12:22):
commentator and human rights activist. He'sbeen seen on Sky News Newsmax and features
in The Spectator and many other publications. He's also the host of ass Wire
and he's from the most lockdown cityin the world where he wants freedom from
us all the director of Battleground Melbourne. He's an ordinary person who faced extraordinary
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times and made life changing decisions asstand up for what is right even when
the government was wrong. His mottois good people Break bad laws, and
he has the T shirt and thebook cover to prove it, and you
can get those both at good PeopleBreak Badlaws dot com. His story is
very powerful and he had to makepersonal plans like that of a drug lord
(13:03):
or a hit man if you canbelieve it. And he was simply a
political activist, so he knows thefight is far from over. You can
follow his work at tofferfield dot netand toffer Field on Twitter and x topper
Field. Welcome to the Main Sourceof Truth podcast. All right, brother,
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thank you for joining us in thewee hours in the morning on the
other side of the globe. Tougher, how's it going today? Look showing
it's going very very well this morning. I mean he's only six o'clock in
the morning, so that hasn't beentime for anything to go wrong. But
I'm happy to report everything's going verywell. Good good deal, and I
appreciate you joining us. So I'mgoing to drop this Australian saying I was
searching the internet for things that mightbe relevant based on watching the video from
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Battleground Melbourne live at Seapac from Australia. I pretty much the spit out the
dummy. I guess if I'm sayingthat right, I mean I was.
I was full blown historical, likealmost crying fit, such an emotion story
of really you and three other peoplewho just simply chose to speak up,
And we don't have enough time totalk about how broken Australia is after this
COVID political theater lockdown and the restincitement, you know, riot police rushing
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moms and dads. But it's notthat much different to what we're seeing here
in the United States. It's justkind of like relative degrees of how bad
it is. So freedom of speechbeing something near and dear to my heart,
especially when it comes to parents speakingup about these issues and these government
run k through twelve schools and thenin your book, you know, good
people break bad laws. You talkabout civil disobedience and the modern age,
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so I really want to kind ofkey in on that and what you found
out in your research, and obviouslyyou know you've done your own research,
but also talking to a lot ofother people in your country. What's the
deal with civil disobedience nowadays, inthis in this modern era, and how
do we just raise the awareness toget people to get off their butts and
do something. Yeah, it's agreat question. It's one of the most
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important questions about time, because unfortunatelythese sorts of things are not over and
ly are going to seek government,continue to infringe our rights and continue to
try and become bigger and more powerful. And the phrase that I use is
this, the limits of the government'spower are defined by the limits of the
people's obedience. And this is historicallytrue. This is something that we know
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from history. You can have abill of rights, you can have a
constitution, you can have separations ofpowers, you can have these things in
place. They're all good things tohave, but in the end, there
are just words on a page andthey don't carry any power. What gives
them power is when the people standup and say, no government, I'm
not going to comply with that orno government, you can't tell me not
to do that thing. So it'sactually the limit of our obedience that becomes
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the thing that the kids government powerin check. And when it comes to
civil disobedience, which is obviously acrucial part of that, there's a funny
thing that happens. Pretty much everybodywill agree that civil disobedience is right.
In hindsight. People look back atthe civil disobedience movement of the civil rights
movement in the sixties and they say, oh, yes, they are absolutely
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correct to do that. Look backhistorically at civil disobedience in all sorts of
different contexts, and they say,oh, yes, they were right to
do that. But we know thatat the time, at least for a
time, a majority of people saysthat they were wrong. So at the
time, in real time, amajority of people are going to get it
wrong and say that that active civildisobedience was wrong and was a bad thing
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to do. And it's only thenthe passage of time that people begin to
realize, oh, actually they wereright after all. So what my book
is about, and what I'm reallyabout now and trying to speak to the
world, is to try and reframecivil disobedience when you see it in real
time, to give people a moraland an ethical and a practical framework to
look at an act of civil disobedienceand figure out in real time is this
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genuine civil disobedience or is this justcausing trouble, causing riots? Is this
just looting? Because I'm not advocatingfor burning buildings down and for stealing and
for these sorts of things. That'snot what I'm talking about here. But
what I'm talking about is people whoare looking at what the government is telling
them to do and say, no, I'm sorry, my conscience requires me
to do something different to that,and then sticking to their guns and experiencing
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the consequences and doing that for thepurpose of pricking the conscience of the people
around them. And if we canget good at that, then my hope
is that we can avoid having toescalate to a level where any sort of
violence becomes involved, and we cankeep government power in check without needing to
resort to revolutions. No, andthat makes sense. And interesting thing.
I had an English boss for awhile and I used to say to him,
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I'd say, Tim, I thinkof myself as someone of high conscience,
and he would say, either youhave conscience or you don't. You
know, there is no high orlow. You know, that thing in
the back of your head. Imean, blm. Riots, you know
in the summer a few years agoversus people questioning what's going on is a
much different framework. And you know, watching a lot of the videos from
your really your documentary on what's happenedin Australia and hearing that, you know,
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on the other side of the worldand thinking to myself, man,
those guys are nuts over there.You know, it couldn't get any worse.
But then you actually start to seethat in America the moral framework has
been sort of this degradation of moralmorality has happened over the last number of
years, and it just seems likeit seems like, I don't know,
the COVID political theater, if youwere kind of a sheep beforehand, if
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you were a sheep before COVID,coming out of COVID, now you're like
a super sheep, right, andyou don't want to say a word.
So one of the things that reallystruck me was in that Battleground Live seapack
video, one of the women thatwas up on stage with you talked about
the dangers of echo chambers and demonizingpeople with different views. How come,
and I'm put myself in this world, how come people like myself or you
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who simply have would appear to becommon sense, reality based framework, right
moral standing. How are folks likeus becoming demonized by people who just I
don't know, they can't get digtheir head out. Does that make any
sense? Like that's the same thingyou're seeing over there, right, yeah,
well, yeah, conformity and obedienceare actually most people's highest objectives,
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highest sort of values in life.Not that they would say that, and
not that they would acknowledge it,but that's actually actually the truth of it.
Before I come back to that,I want to come into what you
said before about conscience. Either youhave it or you don't, that's true.
However, different people have different thresholdsof what price they're willing to pay
in order to obey their consent.And this is what we saw. This
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is what we saw ever so clearlyin Melbourne there were people who had no
conscience and they went along with it, and they actually gleefully enjoyed the oppression.
They loved it. When the governmentwas shooting at it. They celebrated
that stuff online. They had noconscience. There were people with very high
conscience, people at myself, wheremy conscience called on me to do a
thing and I did that thing andthen and these are the people that I
really feel sorry for. There werethe people in between, whose conscience is
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alive and well, and they understoodwhat it was that they ought to do,
and they couldn't bring themselves to doit. They compromised their conscience.
And those people are left and arereally devastating position now, because when you
obey your conscience, you pay aprice immediately. That's why your conscience is
being tested, is because there's somekind of a consequence that's unpleasant. So
when you follow your conscience in asituation like this, you pay a price
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immediately, but you are rewarded inyour psyche, in your soul, and
even by those around you for therest of your life. But when you
break your conscience, you are excuseme sorry. When you obey your conscience,
your penalized immediately, not rewarded,your penalized immediately, and then you
enjoy rewards for the rest of yourlife. But when you break your conscience,
you receive your reward immediately, youavoid the consequences of having obeyed your
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conscience immediately, and then that's overand it's in the past, but you
suffer the consequences psychologically of having betrayedyour values for the rest of your life.
And so what this is about forme is finding those people that do
have a conscience. I can't activatesomeone's conscience if they don't have one,
but I want to find the peoplethat do have one and help them to
think through these issues and put themselvesin a position where they're going to follow
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their conscience, that are going todo what they know is right, because
in the long run, that's goingto be the best possible thing that they
could do. Now, as forthis conformity issue, this has been a
problem throughout history. The people thatactually stand up to the power structures that
are in place are always the minority. They're always always the few. And
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this has been historically true, youknow, for as long as we have
written history, for as long aswe have records. Now, what makes
one person different to another, Well, I'm not really one hundred percent sure,
But what I can tell you inmy case is I've spent fifteen years
as a political commentator, and oneof the things that I focus on.
One of the things that I dois trying to bring every issue back to
a set of cohesive, coherent principles. So I'm not looking at every issue
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on an issue by issue basis,what do I think about this issue.
I look at an issue and Isay, what does this issue say at
a level of principle, at alevel of philosophy, what does it say
about the power of government? Whatdoes it say about the role of humanity
on planet Earth? And we arevirus on the planet or are we actually
God's designated stewards of the planet.Those are two very different philosophies that are
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given issues might shed some light ondepending on what it is. And so
by bringing issues back to principles,you can end up with a much more
consistent way of viewing those issues anda much more consistent decision making process.
And so for me, the popularityof an issue or what the government is
saying about an issue is really avery secondary or tertiary consideration. I want
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to understand what is the issue,what's the data around the issue, the
sides around the issue, But moreimportantly, what are the fundamental principles that
the sides are actually based on,and I want to bring it back to
to a set of cohesive principles.So on that basis, the COVID reaction
was a total violation of human rights, and at a level of principle,
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I cannot stand for that. Icannot abide by that, I cannot agree
with that. Even if the virushad turned out to be quite serious,
I could not have accepted and agreedwith those violations of human rights, And
especially when the data very clearly showedthat the virus was not that serious for
the vast majority of people. Therewas just no way that I was ever
going to sit silently while human rightswere violated in to that degree. Well,
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it's an amazing process. One ofthe things as you're speaking, you
know, so is government or aswe say, the fourth branch of the
government. Media, Are they reallyframing people's conscience now? Like are they?
You know? You hear all thesesound bites and snapshots of what's going
on. At least here in Maineand the United States, there's not that
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many news sources you can trust.So do you think that people have just
kind of become sheepled from the medialike I mean, is that one of
the main drivers of what's going onhere. The government is basically using this,
like I said, we call itthe fourth branch of government here,
the media to frame the conscience.There's definitely a degree to which that you
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could express it that way. Iwould say, it's more that there's been
a void left because people have stoppedtalking to each other. We no longer
have of whether it was family andcommunity. We no longer have our evenings
around the campfire talking to each other. We're no longer really communing with each
other in that kind of sense.Day to day. We've largely rejected things
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like churches with most civil societies arestruggling to find members. Their membership is
very, very old. So thevast majority of the population have actually detached
themselves from the normal bonds of fellowshipthat would have kept people thinking about things
as a matter of principle and contentand listening to older people who've seen a
lot more and that understanding their perspectiveon things that can help us to understand
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what's happening today. A lot ofthat's been lost, and so the fourth
of states, Yes, they arevery much framing people's consciences, not necessarily
because they're faming people's consciences, butbecause no one else is. We've cut
everyone off, and we've cut ourselvesoff from these other sources where we could
have actually drawn our morality in ourworldview from. That makes sense. And
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so Sam Sorbo, who connected us, you know, one of the nicest
folks that I've met in the lastyear or so guys doing part of doing
this podcast. She's just great,she said to offer's on a mission to
empower people. Can you tell mea little bit about how you're trying to
do that to really get people whomaybe are afraid to then start to speak
up. I think that's one ofthe biggest questions that I continue to just
(25:21):
you know, beat my head upagainst the wall, is like, how
do you get somebody to take thatmaybe conscience moving concern and then do something
with it. Yeah, well,let me answer that question by telling you
the story of one of the policeofficers that a protest is filmed when they
were out on the protests in Melbourne. This police officer was with the anti
terror squad. This was close tothe hype of the madness. This is
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where they were shooting outs we rubberbullets and doing all kinds of really really
violent things to us. And thisparticular officer is there, he's wearing body
armor, he's carrying an automatic weaponwith live ammunition in it, which he
wasn't using. He wasn't shooting anyone. But you've got to understand the disproportionality
of that level of equipment. Andyou know, these guys are working in
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teams, and there's thousands of policeout on the streets, all with weapons,
all with guns. And this isin a country where most of our
guns have been taken away from us, and they're wearing body armor in a
country where we don't have guns.I mean, just the disproportionality of the
police response was just incredible. Andthis very very courageous protester kept his phone
filming as he kind of walked pastsome anti terror police and one of them
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said go home, go home,or we'll arrest you. We don't want
to do it, but we will. And the protester says, well,
if you don't want to do it, don't do it. And the officer
turns around and says, well,I don't have a choice, you know,
I got it. I can't putfood on the table without this job,
and the protester says, well,what about those of us that around
here protesting? Why do you thinkwe're here. We're protesting because we can't
put food on the table. Andthe officer says, look, I understand
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you're being upset about all of this. You know, my wife's lost their
job as well, and that's whyI've got to do what I've got to
do. He's like, you don'thave to do it, mate, Like
you're the reason why we can't putfood on the table. And he finally
says, look, I'm I'm notqualified to do anything else in this stage
of my life, so this isit. I have to do this.
And what happens, what's revealed inthat conversation is that this man's conscience has
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been weaponized against his conscience, Hisobligation to his family has been weaponized against
his obligation to write and wrong.And now he's not wrong about his obligation
to his family. He's not wrongabout you know, he has an obligation
to put food on the table.But what he's done is that he's allowed
that to become the weapon by whichthe government makes him breach his own conscience.
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His family has become weaponized against hisconscience. And so the challenge that
I have for everybody, for you, for me, for your next door
neighbor, for anyone else that hasa conscience is to do a self audit
and honest, self ordered in theprivacy of your own heart. If you
were going to find yourself in aposition where you had to make a decision
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based on conscience and it was goingto cost you, what are the arts
that your head would be making totry and convince you to break your conscience.
Would it be money? Would itbe medical care? You know,
I have a child who needs medicalcare, and if I upset the government
or if I don't do these things. Would it be your living situation?
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Would it be family and friends thatwould reject you and would potendially make your
life unpleasant? What's the narrative thatwould be going on inside of your head
that has the potential to cause youto become that police officer where you're sitting
there defending yourself and saying, yes, I'm breaching my conscience, but I'm
doing it because I had to doit. I had no choice. What
are those things and are you willingto fix those things? If it's about
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income, are you willing to diversify, start a side hustle, do something
that's going to put you in aposition where your income is not going to
become the thing that causes you tocompromise your conscience. If it's about medical
care, if it's about your livingsituation, if it's about your social situation,
whatever these things are, are youwilling to fix them in advance?
Because if you can remove those temptationsin advance, then when your test comes,
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you are much more likely to passit and live the rest of your
days the way that I live nowwith the knowledge that I passed my test,
with the knowledge that I faced oneof the most serious moral, ethical
conscience tests that you can face,faced with people with buhla blas who are
willing to use them, and Istood by my conscience anyway, and I
did what my conscience required me todo. I cannot tell you how amazing
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it is to live with that knowledgeabout yourself. And I want everyone to
be able to live with that knowledgeabout themselves. But to get there,
you've got to fix these problems inadvance before your test comes. And believe
me, you've got maybe four orfive years maybe less you've got that,
I would say it best you've gotfour or five years before exactly this kind
of a test is coming to atown where you live well. And it's
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interesting that you say that, andas you're speaking, I'm thinking, you
know, I'm internalizing myself as you'retalking. And you know, two and
a half, almost three years agonow, I quit my job to kind
of take a few weeks off,take the summer off, and then got
pulled right back into you know,these school issues. And you know,
almost three years later, my familyhas paid for that pretty significantly. But
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one of the reasons that people can'tcancel me, at least right now,
is that I'm not beholden to anybodyfinancially except for my wife, who every
two weeks asked me when I'm gonnaget a real job again, and I
just I just hope that I couldkeep pushing her off a couple more weeks.
But it's one of those things thatit is. It's it's interesting that
you know that police officer, orin my view, I keep wondering why
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these school teachers don't speak up.But they're all afraid, They're afraid to
lose their job. But it.You know, courage is contagious and sometimes
it just takes one person to takea step forward. Now we're starting to
see in Maine some of these teachersresign with some pretty pretty specific points as
far as transgenderism and this woken doctornation, all these things going on.
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So but the other piece I guessthat I was going to kind of tie
into that is you also said thatmoral cowardice is the scourge of our time.
And so that's the other piece thatreally I struggle with, honestly tough
for every single day, like whycan't we get more people involved in taking
action? And so what would yousay as far as that's kind of a
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I mean, it's a tough word, right, moral cowardice, Like we're
saying, we're saying to them,hey, look, if you're not going
to have morality, what's the point. But can you expand a little bit
on that statement? And then again, you know, trying to try to
get people to turn that into youcomplaining into action is such a big deal.
You know. Yeah, here's thething that a lot of people don't
understand. A lot of people say, I would run into a burning building
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to save a child. Therefore,I'm courageous, and that's true. You
have physical carriage, but physical carriageand moral carriage come from two very different
places and they require two very differentperspectives. When you see someone who is
about tost suffer terribly in the physicalsense, you know there is a certain
psyche. Not everyone can do it, but people with carriage will then running
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and risk their own physical well beingin order to sort out that physical problem.
And it's seen with your physical eyesthe problem, and it stems from
this lack of community, this lackof connection that we were talking about a
moment ago, is that people don'tknow how to see with their moral eyes.
That's a different timeline, it's adifferent type of seeing. You're looking
at a different horizon, and itcan be for those that are used to
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seeing in the physical it can bea very very difficult thing to perceive what's
going on in the moral and sotherefore they don't even see the problem,
or they get easily duped into believingthat the problem is actually a good thing.
And that's what happened here in Australia, thanks to the media and thanks
to our politicians holding daily press conferencesand barraging people with misinformation was they literally
flipped on a head and turned thegood guys into the bad guys and the
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bad guys into the good guys.And because people don't have a moral compass
that is internal to them, theirmorality comes from the crowd around them and
are going along with what everyone elseis doing, then they become moral cowardies.
They just want to fit in.The last thing you want to do.
If you don't have a compass ofyour own and you're just going along
with the crowd, the last thingyou want to do is something that's going
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to draw the ire of the crowd. So fitting in becomes your number one
priority. And that's exactly what wesee, and that's where this moral cowardice
comes from. The key is thateach and every one of us has a
moral obligation to do our best tounderstand right and wrong. Now, I
would recommend going into the Bible,going into scripture and getting it from there,
but other people have others, excuseme, other ideas about that and
(33:27):
where you get that from. Butwhat's crucially important is that you need to
go and get it yourself. Youcannot outsource your morality to the opinions of
others. And once you do that, and once you have your own internal
moral compass, it becomes possible foryou to have moral courage. But until
you have that internally within yourself,your default position is going to be moral
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cowardice. There's no doubt. That'san awesome way to describe it. In
fact, I was as you weretalking, I was taking some notes.
I mean, you know, justsaying you can't outsource morality is a pretty
interesting process when you think about it. That is what people are doing,
you know. There and again Italk about sheep a lot, you know,
just you know, sheep in apen. They all kind of want
to be in the pen. Evenwhen you open the door, they still
want to stay in the pen.And you're just like, man, I
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don't want to be there, youknow, I want to be the lion
who's out there trying to run aroundand you know, really raise the awareness.
But it is not easy, andit's certainly not easy. I mean
in these echo chambers of Facebook orsocial media, a lot of people complain,
but not a lot of people thentake that and go forward and take
action to expose it, or youknow, do what you've done and really
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document this. So how can Uh, really, what's what's next for you,
What's what's on the horizon? AndI want to have you tell folks
where they can follow your work andthose kind of things. Yeah, fantastic,
Thank you so much, Sean Wells. As Sam Silva said when she
interviewed me when I was there inFlorida just the other week, you know,
I'm on a mission to empower people, and people need to hear our
stories, not as a matter ofyou know, historical curiosity, all the
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big thing that happened during the day, but as a preparation for the test
coming for each and every one ofus, the test that we faced in
the last four years, and especiallytwo years ago in Melbourne, Australia,
where we were the most lockdown cityin the world. We had anti terror
police running around firing rubber bullets andall sorts of other munitions, pepperballs and
(35:15):
the tear gas and everything else atcompletely unarmed, non violent people, simply
to get them to comply with thegovernment that is coming to a place near
you. And you need to bepreparing yourself and preparing your life. And
what I want to be doing isliterally bringing this message to every podcast that
I can possibly get onto. Iwant to speak from stages. I want
to bring Battleground moldn Live. That'sthe Seapac presentation that we did. I
(35:37):
want to bring that to America.I want to do if I can find
someone who can put this together,I want to take that from city to
city and bringing a few hundred ora few thousand people at a time into
a room and having them hear thosestories and be impacted by the choices that
ordinary people made. That's the missionthat I'm on now. And if if
I can do that for the restof my life, then fantastic. And
(35:59):
if in the process there can bepeople who will sink through these issues and
find their moral backbone, find theirspine, and make courageous decisions when the
government is wrong, then fantastic.My life will have been will have been
worthwhile. In terms of finding me, I highly recommend the Aussie Wire.
So that's where I'm most actively putout a couple of episodes of the news
every single week at the Aussie Wire. Myself personally, it's tofa Field top
(36:22):
h r field Field. You'll findme at tofa field dot net, but
also all other social media, Facebookand ex is where I'm most active.
But also in terms of the documentary, you can watch Battleground Melbourne dot com.
It's available for free and on thesame website Battleground Melbourne dot com.
You'll also find Battleground Melbourne Live ifyou scroll down the page. So there's
(36:44):
the documentary and then it's the livestage presentation. There are two different things,
but they're on the same website.Then from my books, from my
merch for my hoodies, for allthat sort of stuff. It's good people
break Bad Laws dot com. Awesome, man, I'm very proud of meet
met you, you know, overthe phone, and you know, built
an acquaintance with you to fotaph Imean, it's it's really I'm proud of
the work you're doing. It doeshelp me. It keeps me pumped up,
(37:07):
you know, as emotional as Iwas watching the video and then talking
to you. I mean, itis. It is great to hear other
people on the other side of theglobe doing similar things. You're at a
much higher level than I'm doing it, but we're all trying to move the
needle and really push people into that, you know, like leaning into their
discomfort a little bit. So Iappreciate, you know, spending some time
(37:29):
today and hope you can have areally good Friday there in Melbourne, Australia.
I appreciate it. Well, thankyou so much showing and and say,
Hia, sam phon me. She'san absolute legend. Some final truths
here as my dog Guss is besideme. You know, as you mentioned,
this is a test, right,this is a warning to Americans from
Melbourne, Australia. You know,we all saw in the news just how
(37:49):
crazy things were over there, andyou know you thought that, oh,
that that could never happen here.Well, it has happened to certain degrees
in certain areas in the United States. And so you know, one of
the things one of the women inthe Battleground Melbourne Live event that I had
seen, and again i'll put itin the show notes. Just a great
video of these four sort of ordinarypeople rising up and taking a stand.
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But she said, this is mylife and I will decide what happens next.
And you know she also said shewanted to become a voice for the
voiceless. I think that's so important. So and again I got to be
honest with you. I bawled myeyes out watching the video, and you
know, really, what have webecome as a people. It's an embarrassment
in some of these cases of what'shappened with these weaponized police and lawfair and
(38:34):
things. But as he said,the only thing that limits government power is
the limit of our obedience. Andso you know, you can't outsource your
morality, folks, We've got topull together. We've got to understand that
whether or not you're talking about COVIDlockdowns or K through twelve education, it
is one of those situations where sometimesgood people break bad laws. So I
(38:57):
appreciate listening. Please share this podcastwith as many people as you can,
like it, subscribe, and uh, I'm also always looking for guests out
there, So folks that have beenon the podcast, folks that are listening.
If there's a compelling story, I'dlove to share that story nationally with
with my audience. So thank youvery much and appreciate your time. Round
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them all, Round them up,Round them up, pleased, and stay
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