December 10, 2024 • 45 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:49):
My name is Riley, my name is Nick.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
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practice round there. Just did that. I can't believe I
haven't said that in what we got it? Creeping up
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Speaker 1 (01:07):
Maybe we threw something together in January February this year.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
But yeah, it has been a minute. If we have
recorded an episode of Make Every Death Count, and honest
to God, did not practice that intro that just like
came back to me was muscle memory right there? So
we're right back into it. So make our account where
it should be back for good for now. Yeah, that's
the point. We got a schedule all out for December,
(01:31):
so it should be good, good to go for this month.
Schedules should stay open, should keep it going. There's no excuses,
all right. Took a while to get all this set
back up and get a nice easy recording setup, find
the time. But now we've done it and we're here.
We're bringing it back, and we figured we bring it
back on a relevant movie, a movie that's everyone's been
(01:51):
kind of talking about right now. We're a little late
to the party, but we're here nonetheless, and that is Smile,
to the sequel to the somewhat pretty big hit, give
or take for a horror film hit Smile. Yeah, and
for those that for that that don't know, okay, about
to embark on a world tour global pomp sensation Sky
(02:13):
Riley played by Naomi Scott. She's fantastic, experiencing increasingly terrifying
and inexplicable events. Overwhelmed by the escalating horrors and the
pressure of fame, Sky is forced to face her past.
So really, I feelos haven't seen Smile first of all spoilers.
We're gonna spoil the hell of this movie. That's what
we do on the show.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah, Smile Too just came out this week on Paramount Plus.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
So yeah, so go watch it.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Go watch it. Smile one is also on Paramount Plus.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Yeah, go watch it. You come up with your own
theories on what happened or where it's going, and then
come back and listen to ours. But the Smile Smile,
the way it works is that it's a It's like
a demon where if it takes over or it haunts
your brain, basically, it torments you until it breaks you
so much that it possesses you and force you to
(03:01):
kill yourself. And when you kill yourself, whoever witnesses that
then becomes the next victim. And apparently the only way
to then beat the demon is to murder somebody in
front of and have somebody witness it. That's how it works,
and that was explained in the the first movie as well,
(03:21):
and this time around the little curveball. To completely beat
the demon and not pass it on to somebody else
is to kill yourself, but then bring yourself back. Yeah, allegedly, allegedly.
We'll talk about that. So Ready directed by Parker Finn. Again,
I don't know if you looked into Parker Finn's career,
his director is directing career.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
It's short Smile.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
It's like a couple short films and Smile and Smile Too.
So to come out and do these films. Smile I
thought it was a good movie. I mean, we enjoyed it.
It wasn't anything groundbreaking, but it was a fun movie.
We had a good time with it. Smile Too, a
sequel to a movie like that really shouldn't be anything insane.
(04:08):
It should do the you know, the same type of formula,
do the same type of thing again. Be a little
teen teen horror film where it's gonna have some good
jump scares and you know, you go in, you have
fun time, and you never talked about it. Again, Smile
Too is way better than it deserves to be that
it should be.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Yeah, and just the way that the story goes like
it feels like it was shot back to back. Yeah,
it just every didn't didn't miss a step, felt like
we picked right back off where Smile one ended. Yeah,
it had no reason to be as good as as Smile.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah, it's what I like about Smile too, and Smile.
The first Smile has some of this too, but Smile
two really went all in that it's not just a
creatively in film and has a fun story to follow,
and it kind of plays some mind games with you.
It's also like they're trying extremely hard to shoot things
(05:08):
in creative ways for how Like they're doing like Oscar
type movements here, like things that like you see it
what you would because they're like the next level okay,
elevated horror, all right, they they're doing wonners. The movie
opens on a wonner with Kyle Gllner and it's just
one big long take and it has some really cool
(05:32):
transitions in there, and it's just like why are we
trying so? Why are you trying so?
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Right?
Speaker 3 (05:38):
It feels like that and this is just kind of
what this genre can be. Right. Smile kind of falls
into that. It feels like a movie that falls in
line with like truth or dare you know, like that's
the say the target audience feels the same. Yeah, but
they did a good job, Like they we said this
for this first Smile too, Like Smile, but the trailers
(06:00):
just appeared to be another kind of teen shitty horror movie.
That's gonna be forgotten and no one cares about. But
they actually tried, and that is what happens. That's what this.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Genre could be. Yeah. Yeah, it pleasantly surprised even with
the first smile. Was definitely pleasantly surprised after seeing the trailers. Okay,
it looks like it's gonna be another teen crappy movie
that we personally do find enjoyment in, right, but it
completely blew away those expectations for a lot of people
(06:31):
as well. And smile to just continues.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Yeah, smile too, I've seen I think some people might
be exaggerating a little bit because some people have said
it's like the best horror sequel the last twenty years,
one of the best horror sequels of all time, game
changing things like that. It is really good. I really
like it. It has no business meaning as good as it is. Yeah,
and I think it does some really special things. It
(06:56):
truly earns, it scares. It shows that Parker Finn it
probably has a pretty right future ahead of him. I
think we're gonna be seeing a lot more Parker Finn here.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Yeah he's thirty seven. Yeah, he's a young guy. He's
killing it.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah, coming in here taking a it's kind of like
a really cheap concept. It's like, it feels like a
throwaway short film type of concept, where again, just a
couple of good scares and you move on to the
next thing. But he took it, ran with it, and
it made something pretty special here. So I think we're
gona see a lot more Parker Finn with some more
elaborate ideas. Yeah, so I'm all for it. But yeah,
(07:31):
just Smile Too has so many well earned scares, real
suspense and keeps you guessing a little bit. But also,
let's start for meeting a little bit that we'll start
Kyle Goanner. I'm a little upset about how quickly Kyle
Gollaner kicks the bucket, but I also understand it because
(07:53):
it's required essentially to make this thing working.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yeah, he's also been very busy, Yeah, busy man in
a lot of films, a couple this year, I think
three or four others this year.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
He deserves it.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yeah, he's killing it.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
He deserves it. But yeah, we start right where we
left off six days six days later after the events
of the first film, and he's just trying to pass
on to somebody else so he goes to this drug
dealer's house and goes to kill one of his henchmen,
if you will, in front of him to pass it
on to him. Goes wrong accidentally ends are killing both
(08:28):
of them, and then he hasn't going to pass it
on to As he's escaping fleeing from other people, he
ends up getting hit by a car, which apparently is
good enough to count as a suicide. I mean, he
ran into the end of the street, not on purpose.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
But also there was there was someone else in that
room that witnessed it, so it should have.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Worked, right that, Well, he didn't witness the murder, I
don't know, or did he? Is that? So this dude
that witnessed that, that's did he did it? Take over?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Oh no? Oh man, I'm dumb.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
That was Lewis, correct, It's Lewis. That's in the That's
why he's the drug dealer.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, so I guess it it did work.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
He passed. But did it work because he saw the murder?
Or did it work because Kyle Golder killed himself because
Joel ran in front of the car and he witnessed that.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Well, yeah, I guess that's true because.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
If it did work, if he did pass it on
to to Louis, to Lewis because he killed the drug dealer,
then why do you have to kill Kyle Goldner like that?
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yeah he was just busy.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Yeah, probably, but either way passed it on to Lewis,
and I I will say, I'm a little disappointed with
the title card, well kind of because so they did.
They had his blood trail make the smile. I was like, oh, man,
it'd be cool if they just throw the two over
it and run it. But then they cut to like
a very Dario Argento kind of you know, Jollo style
(10:12):
title card. It's like, oh, that's also cool. So I
like that, But then, like, man, I feel like we
could have done something cool like Evil Dead Rise type
ship right there, yeah, and have the blood trail actually
make the title card, but they didn't do that got
my hopes up. But at least they still let something cool.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah. Yeah, No, I I completely missed me that Lewis
was was the guy in the in the in that
one shot. I was so distracted by like the cinematography
of the opening one one take that I didn't even
realize it.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
And he looks quite a bit different. He does looks
quick because he's falling apart next time we see him. Yeah,
But there you go. That sets up the story we're
going for. Let me cut to Sky Riley. She's pop star.
She's looking to make that comeback. She did. She was
just in a a year before, was in a car accident.
(11:07):
That's I think. Did want the one guy die?
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Yeah? Her her boy boyfriend, played played by Jack Nicholson's
son Ray Nicholson.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Oh, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yeah, you couldn't tell. Later on when he was smiling.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
I guess I yeah, I guess I could see it. Yeah,
But he died and then her friend got severely injured,
and then they had like a falling out, and she
just was all all sorts of drugs. Life wasn't going well.
She's ripping her hair out. But now she she cleaned up,
she's trying to make her come back. And because she
(11:43):
also was hurting the car accident, she's been dealing with
a pain med addiction, one that she hasn't quite trumped yet.
Because she's got to go back and get some more
Viking in and that's what leads us back to Lewis,
the drug dealer, and that's how she ends up getting
the curse, so we're following it. Well, it's a cool
idea because it's a very realistic and cheeky way to
(12:07):
put the curse on somebody who can be seen by millions. Yep,
it's not forced, like, uh, if you've seen Trap, I haven't,
but I know that's what we get.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
One of those twenty twenty four movies. We can come
back and yeah, I know a little bit about it.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Trap. I like Trap for one reason because of Josh Hartnett. Uh,
but that's one that feels super forced, whereas this is
a completely unrealistic, stupid scenario. This feels like a natural
way to take your unrealistic concept and bring it into
reality and it makes sense. Yeah, I get it. So honestly,
(12:45):
there's I don't want to go beat by beat through
this movie because it's essentially now from here on out.
And this is one of the biggest complaints I've seen
about this movie is that from that moment on no
Sky being cursed whatever, up until the point that you
get to the end of the movie, it's kind of
the same thing. And the movie runs a little long
(13:08):
at two hours and seven minutes, but I've seen it
twice now and I don't know what I would take out, right.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean some people, some people
have said that they would take out the flashbacks to
the accident, but then at the end we get the
reasoning why they left those flashbacks in.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Yeah, I don't think it works without them.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
No.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Well, on the topic of those those flashbacks, this is
probably one of the biggest points that people have kind
of dogged in this movie a little bit, is that
once you see them and you see just how awful
Sky was, it's really hard to continue to like her
as a character.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
I don't you grow from That's the whole point. She's
growing from that. Yeah, but she's still got a little
bit of a pain pill addiction afterwards, because of the
injuries to the accident. Yes, she's not doing cocaine I
drink it anymore, but she's still got a different kind
of addiction. Yeah, I don't I didn't find her unlikable
(14:16):
after that.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
I think so either, because it's real, That's what I'm saying, Like,
there's something very this unrealistic idea is very grounded in reality. Yeah,
and so, yeah, I don't know. I saw we watched
a movie. Mike was talking about and how she's just
like the fucking worst. After seeing that scene, I think
that version of her character is the fucking worst. Yeah, yeah,
(14:38):
I agree, that person seems pretty goddamn miserable.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
She's at the lowest.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Yeah, if I were to look at myself, I don't
know about one year ago, but like five years ago,
i'd hate myself too. You know, you grow as a person,
And I didn't really see that. I didn't think that
her past took away from her present.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
I don't agree. Yeah, I don't agree that, but there
were there. The flashbacks were the oscar Worthy, you know,
performances that they were going for, like having them yell
at each other in the car and just the emotions
changing throughout that three minute scene. Just seeing every both
of them go through every emotion was really well done,
(15:19):
especially with you know, Ray Nicholson, who was that's his.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
I need to watch it again and just really think
about him. He really focus on him.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Yeah, Like he did a really really good performance for
only being in the movie for you know, three minutes
other than him smiling.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Yeah. Yeah. So there are two main plot points on
top of Sky's story here. Well really three two three
two we'll go with two. There's Gemma, her friend that
was in the car. They have a bad relationship now,
and what Sky is hoping to do is fix that
(16:00):
because she's going through some shit. So she texts her
and Gemma's cool. Mealy calls her. They're good. She comes over,
it's like, oh cool, So she still got a friend.
That's nice. And then there's Morris. Okay, Morris, his brother,
is that right? His brother was cursed, just went through
(16:23):
this yeah, eight.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
People ahead of her something yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Something, and ripped his jaw off, and that's when he
believed him. And now he's doing anything this power to
stop this smile demon from being passed on to the
next person. So he texts her, convinced her to meet up,
and that's when we established the fact that if she
were to safely kill herself and then be brought back,
(16:50):
that it would end the curse. Yep. Now those two
plot points are important because we go sixty percent of
the movie knowing that those characters this establishing a relationship
with Gemma, multiple visits, with their conversations with Morris, things
like that. Then we get to the closer to the
end of the movie and she's like, okay, I'm over it.
(17:13):
I'm gonna kill myself. And even if I don't get
brought back somehow, at least I'm not gonna spread this
thing any further contacts. Morris meets up YadA YadA in
the process of also escaping a private hospital. I don't
even know what those what that is, but yeah, she
(17:37):
gets Gemma to help her and bring her to Morris
so that she can do this and kill herself. And
we got all that, and while in the car with Jemma,
she gets a call from Jemma and it's her saying, Hey, sorry,
I didn't know what to say after you texted me
or after I heard your voicemail, and you know, we
(18:01):
left off on a bad foot. I just don't know
if I can forgive you. It's like, huh, I thought.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
You spent the night at my house the other night, right,
And she's like, I haven't been to your house over
a year.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Yeah, Like we haven't even talked. So you go this
whole movie thinking Gemma has been there for her and
it's talking to her, and the whole time it was
the demon fucking with her.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
And you know what, like it that moment when you
realize that you look back. You remember when that night
after she spent the night and she was late for
her rehearsal and her mom comes in, is like what
the fuck? And she's like, I'm sorry, and she goes
walks away and she goes hey Elizabeth. Yep, Elizabeth drinks
(18:46):
and Elizabeth doesn't say respond.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Because she wasn't real.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah, no reason for that to be that good.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Why did the demon say hi to Elizabeth? Though? Was
it like a warning Hi? It's like, hih, Elizabeth, see
you soon.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Probably or just or just to make us freak out.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
It worked the move it's constantly I don't know if
because it is like kind of like six cents a
little bit where you're looking too deep. He might there
might be some hold or back to the future. It's like,
I don't know if that makes much sense, right, And
maybe that's what the high Elizabeth is a little bit.
It's like just kind of covering up a little bit.
But then yeah, so this this whole time, Gemma, Nope,
(19:27):
like it's it wasn't her and it was all just
one big trick by the Spiral Demon. But she still
continues on, gets to Morris, and then as Morris kills her,
essentially puts her to sleep. She's going one on one
with a smile demon in her dream state whatever, and
(19:48):
it looks like she's gonna kill herself and she's gonna
beat it, and it looks like it. We're like, oh, okay,
we did it. And then the demon's like, dude, none
of this is real, right, like all that I made,
all of this, and it's like, yeah, she's and then
all of a sudden we cut and she's on stage,
performing in front of thousands, tens of thousands of people
and kills herself on stage. Yep.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yeah, which again makes you think, like, was Morris real
the entire time? Was he was he actually at that
bar talking to her the first time?
Speaker 3 (20:20):
By my long, my long ass explanation of all that,
just to get the context out of the way, was
so we could talk about this, yeah, because this is like,
to me, is my numbing a little bit? So the
text and we know that this demon's been fucking with
her to a very elite level. I feel like I
(20:40):
will we hasn't always done this to this level to
fuck with people. Also, this early on, like when the
Jema thing happened, it felt really early on in this
process it's supposed to be like a seven day thing,
slowly fucking you up, but immediately it's like, hey, here's
a fake person, here's a fake old friend.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Well yeah, and at and at the very beginning, Lewis
was possessed by the demon and sending texts that he
didn't know he sent, but he did. He looked at
his phone and said, I don't remember texting this.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Yes, how does if the demon can god? Because there's
so many things like when she killed her mom. She
kills her mom inside of that little private hospital thing
and it looks like she's we see it as a
mom killing herself, and then all of a sudden she
noticed that she's got glass in her hand. It's like
kind of a reveal that she killed her momp but
(21:31):
none of that happened. All bullshit.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
She yeah, yeah, because her mom was alive at the
end at the concert.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
The rules of the Smile Demon are a little weird.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Well, and is the Smile Demon really thinking ahead? Like, okay,
I got to Lewis. Oh, Lewis knows Sky Riley, I
can use her to get in front of everyone, had to,
So it's thinking that far ahead and sending text to
Sky well, I guess, sky text said text of the
deepmon text said Lewis.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
And opened the door. I guess.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
But they're like, oh, okay, and yeah, it's sending texts
from Gemma and calls from Gemma and Gemma, Yeah, sending
texts from Mom, sending texts from uh from Morris. Was
Morris real at all? Because because when they're at the
at that bar and she's talking to Morris and then
(22:27):
finally she gets recognized, she gets up to leave, and
the people, of course she's famous, so the people, you know,
kind of turn towards her and no one even gives
a fuck about Morris. And Morris just kind of sits
there at the bar and just like, well, she's leaving. Yeah,
was he real at all? Or was he actually real
in that moment? But then at the end he was.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
I feel like they intentionally because we don't see Morris
interact any other characters in the whole movie nope, So
I feel like they were intentionally keeping this conversation open.
They wanted you to second guess whether or not he
was real. I don't know it if Morris, So if
you're like deep diving into this, like things that don't
make sense. When Morris is explaining what happened to his brother,
(23:09):
he says his jaw was ripped off in the parking garage,
and then it shows the shot of him ripping the
jaw off, Like why would we see that if it
wasn't a real story? Right, those kind of things if
you want to over be over picky about it. But
I don't really understand the rules of what the Smile
Demon can and can't do, because it seems like it
(23:31):
can't possess you and kill you until you're at a
very specific mental state. I don't know what it's not,
like it's a meter that we can see in action,
but it seems like he has to break you down
before he can take over your body, and you know,
open your goddamn mouth up and all that shit.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Well, and that's what happened at the end of Smile
one as well, right, they opened they opened her mouth
and climbed it.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
So I understand and it being able to make you
see and hear things, but why can't it at times
make you do things like like Lewis Well, I guess no,
he wasn't possessed because that's what it was happening at
that time. When he's choking and ship. So if it
hasn't possessed you yet, why is it able to make
(24:19):
you text people when one can it do that? One
can't do that, you know, because if that's the case,
just freaking grab a gun and kill them, like on
day two, brother, we can move on to people a
lot quicker. So I don't know, I'm just curious, or
it's it's a demon that just fuels on fucking with people,
like it just wants to make you nuts. I don't know,
(24:40):
I just.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Were the rules.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
We got to talk to Parker about this, but yeah,
Morris alive real, who knows. We need we need to
watch it and analyze it frame my frame. Yeah, I
personally I like the twist. I dig that kind of writing.
I love cycle logical horror. And it's even more fun
(25:03):
to me when a movie that you think you're on
top of, you think you know what's happening, all of
a sudden throws a curve ball and you're like, oh shit,
this whole time I was wrong. And that's exactly what
they did with Gemma, and I thought that was so
cool and creative and yeah, it's just a and then
you can go back and watch this movie and you
have no idea what it is real and what's not. Like,
(25:25):
what we have to assume is that eighty percent of
the actions that she had in this movie or bullshit,
because she was able to present herself in a good
enough way that her mom put her back on stage
in front of tens of thousands of people, right right,
she had to be functioning.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Did she trash the dressing room? Did she go to
the hospital? No? I don't think she did, right, because
because in the hospital, her mom's like, no, we're gonna
take it easy, and then tomorrow you're gonna go on
stage for the tour.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
So she must have actually been there. Yeah, did she
ever if she was in the hospital, did she ever
leave it? Or she just truly blacked out for a week? Yeah?
Like what happened? First? The mom? Dude, the mom? If
assuming all that conversation was real and forcing her onto stage,
I understand that she's already she's not gonna get another
(26:18):
opportunity like this is it? Right? But for the love
of Christ, she's this bad and you're going to force
her on the stage was kind of driving me nuts.
But there are Hollywood moms like that. Man, they exist.
Look half the fucking Nickelodeon stars over the years. Yeah,
they exist, They're out there. It's just damn.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Dude, At what point is the movie all in her head?
All in Sky's head? At what point?
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Yeah? When when do we fall out of reality?
Speaker 1 (26:47):
I have to watch it again?
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:51):
And then a lot of people didn't like the ending,
said it was a cop out. But how is this
cop out?
Speaker 3 (26:56):
What would you what would what do you want?
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Well, and that that was the whole thing that the
end of Smile won. It didn't end on a happy note.
She killed herself, She burned the burned herself in front
of Kyle Goldner.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
So now at the end of Smile two she kills herself,
Which how is it a cop out when it sets
up an amazing third movie. She just killed herself in
front of hundreds of thousands of people, who now all
I guess, have the Smile demon in them. So now
(27:31):
this next movie is gonna be like the Purge. It
is all hell breaks loose because hundreds of thousands of
people are killing them to.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
You every week, do you do you want another movie?
I do?
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Now I do. I I want to see how crazy
this next movie can go because every seven days, one
hundred thousand people are killing themselves.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Yeah, the idea like that. The idea is cool, The
concept is cool. I just don't know how you take
what is this really in depth psychological horror that connects
you to a character and you kind of watch them
break and become something else and to the point where
it's making you believe certain things and not. I don't
(28:14):
know how you do that with a large cast with
a lot of people. And I kind of the reason
I like the ending of Smile too is I was like,
good for them, we didn't need a resolution, Like there
is no resolution the demon one, and to me, there
is no stopping it now, Like you can if assuming
(28:34):
the rules of the curse are what we learned and
Smile to where the only way to beat it, or
at least from you passing it on, is to kill
yourself and come back alive or whatever that is. There
is no way to stop it now. It's just not possible.
And so what they're gonna have to do and Smile three,
(28:55):
if they continue on this line, is create a whole
other piece of lore that says you can defeat the
demon as a whole, all all together if you do
this very specific thing, here's the fucking necronomicon, you know,
like it's gonna have to be something so forced. And
that's what I like about Smile Too. And it's, like
I said, we're falling. It's a realistic concept inside of
(29:15):
an unrealistic world, or the other way around, unrealistic concept
inside a realistic world. You just can't do that with
Smile three. I don't think I.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Want one more because at the end of Smile one, Okay,
the only way to beat it is to kill myself
when no one's around.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Well nope, that didn't work. The demon out smarted you. Yeah,
because now they just waited until Kyle Gollner showed up
until you kill himself. Okay, the Smile too, Like, okay,
the way to do it is to kill myself. Oh wait,
none of this was real. I'm one of the demon
is one two steps ahead already always Yeah, So Smile
three going batshit insane. Where a hundred thousand people are
(29:53):
killing themselves every week, every seven days, there's gonna be
a way we can stop it for good. I want
I want Smile three to end with no again. No, no,
the world is over. Yeah, that's that's what I want.
I trust, I trust.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Yeah, I'm I'm okay with if they do another one.
I'm gonna watch it, and I'm sure they canna do
something cool with it. But part of me kind of
wants this series to end, and we always are left
with that ending a smile To assuming that the demon
just took over the world. Yes to me that that's
the only thing that could happen here without doing some
sort of like crazy here's a spell.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
So you hear what Parker Finn said about the future.
So in September twenty twenty four, he confirmed plans to
continue the franchise with a third film, saying, we've maybe
only scooped a single glass of water out of the ocean.
I think it's really fun to imagine a lineage of
smile movies where each one becomes more off the rails
(30:53):
than the previous one. I don't agree with that. Do
three make it batshit insane and call it how do
you get? How do you keep going?
Speaker 3 (31:02):
First of all, man, the analogy of a cup out
of an ocean after what Smile To is is a
crazy thing to say. Let's be realistic here, Let's be
realistic here Parker. Okay, it might be a small glass
of water out of a small pond, not an ocean.
(31:22):
All right. I don't like the analogy. Uh yeah, I
don't know. I just I can't imagine them making a
sequel that is as good as Smile Too. Again, I
can't imagine them doing that again. And I think as
you get more and more bonkers with bigger and bigger cash,
you start losing what is the psychological suspense that they
(31:43):
have here, and I think that's what made Smile to
work so well. So I don't know, you're basically certain
kind of going into another genre kind of you know,
like happy happy that thing. Yeah, like it kind of
we're changing genre.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
So I want I want one more. I want it
to be that insane pick up. Six days later, all
these people start killing themselves and and go one more. Yes,
we finally got it this time, But then they don't.
The Demon is still one step ahead, and now it
is world domination. And that's where I want to see
(32:17):
it end, because there's no way you can do Smile
three and have it actually defeat the Demon at the end.
Right after one and two, there's no way, right the
Demon one you.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Got something really creative in your pocket. I just don't
know how you write something that makes sense out of
it without being a complete cop out.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Did we see Did we see Kyle Gollner take his
last breath?
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Uh? No, we saw his body in several pieces on
the road.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
So but.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Like I said that, maybe the only reason that the
demon curse thing was spread was because of his death
to Lewis, I don't know if Lewis saw the murder, right,
but I have a feeling that that's what it was.
I feel like that was the point. Yeah, because he
might have seen the one dude take his.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Last breath yet, right, Yeah, he had to he was
in the room.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Well I didn't he like walk out of another room though,
And I don't know, Yeah, I don't know, but either
way it worked.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
I want smiles through smile three to just yeah, to
go bonkers, but that I don't want anymore after that.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Yeah, I guess it just depends depends on how it's written,
what it establishes.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Obviously, if it's a movie with a one hundred and
thirty seven million dollar budget, how much money did it make?
What it is one hundred, one hundred and thirty seven million,
That was the budget. That was the budget.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
I don't like it anymore all of a sudden, one
hundred and thirty seven million dollars.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
No, that's boute.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Now about to say, bro, that's no twenty eight.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
That is twenty eight?
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Okay, how about it? Do they had over one hundred
million dollars to make a horror movie?
Speaker 1 (34:08):
I'm fucking twenty eight million dollar budget, one hundred and
thirty seven box office.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
That's pretty good and our horror film, I.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Mean the plus your rentals got a lot of rentals. Yeah,
a lot of people have been talking about it so
that they're going to keep doing it if it keeps
making money. Obviously.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
I I'm just glad that horror like this still exists,
you know, we have the horror genre is pretty special
right now. A lot of people want to mint that
your old school horror fans that are like it was
better than the eighties. I hear you. I look at
my office. Have you ever seen my office? I agree,
I hear you. But I think the genre is finding
(34:51):
its place inside of pop culture. Like it's falling right
in line with like Oscar movies, things like Terrifier three,
another one that has really no business being talked about
on a person a person basis like this. It's something
that forty years ago would have only the tiniest little
cult following, like a sleep away camp, you know, But
(35:15):
here it is making millions and millions of dollars. It's
pretty nuts. And then you smile too, and you have
your your ari asters out there and things like Jordan Peel,
like the genre is doing better than it really ever has.
It's making a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Did you know that they made a made a EP
of sky Riley really? Yep. It's got six songs on it. Well,
it's a piano version, but it's got songs that she
was singing in the movie and NAMEA Scott sing them.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
So oh that's nice.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Yeah, that's fun. We're having fun.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
That scene where she was playing on the piano, I
thought we're gonna get a whole musical moment right there.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Uh that that's on the EP. That's three minutes and
fifteen seconds.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Yeah, I thought we're gonna get a whole thing there
and then cut it off. It was like probably the
right choice.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Yeah, I yeah, I like I said, I want smile three.
I want it to be crazy. I want I want
the demon to win. We don't get happy endings. Okay,
we haven't gotten any so far. No need, no need.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
The ending I thought was way better than a Smile one.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
I agree. So just yeah, just completely being like you
you thought, yeah, you thought they actually had an upper
rand here.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
There was such an emphasis on the creature at the
end of Smile one, and I didn't, I really thought,
because this is I'm circling back to this concept for
the twentieth time. I think what makes Smile work is
that it is this unrealistic concept inside of a realistic world,
and the second that big ass creature gets involved, you're like, oh,
(36:56):
we're watching a creature free a creature feature all of
a sudden, and it just kind of takes me out
of it. But when you keep it inside of humans
and it's humans just manipulating the mind and things like that,
that is cool as shit. And that they stuck with
that through the end. Don't Smile too, And I dig it.
So I'm cool with the brutal ending. And and like
(37:16):
I said, I don't need a sequel, honestly, like I'm
gonna watch it. I mean, honest I will spend my
money on it, but it's I just don't think you
need one. I just I like the idea, Like, that's it.
They just took over the fucking world, dude, that's it.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
I want to see. I want to see how they
how they go at having hundreds of thousands of people
kill themselves every seven days. I want to see how
how they can respond to that.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
It would be the apocalypse. It's gonna be coming apocalyptic film.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
I'm down. I'm down for it.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
What do you how do you write that? God, I
don't even know where I would start.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
That's why they make the big bucks.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
So smile too. On IMDb has a six point nine
out of ten Rotten Tomatoes eighty six percent certified fresh
from critics, and then audience is eighty one percent.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Yeah, what would you give out a ten?
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Fuck? I think I'm going eight and a half.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Yeah, I was good. I'm biking him right like an eight.
I was thinking seven and a half. But I just
think it deserves a little bit more credit than that. Yeah,
I saw shout out to my friend Stereo Crow. I've
seen a lot of people will describe it as mid
I he first all, I hate that terminology, but I
(38:35):
just think a movie that is going above and beyond
in this genre to take really cool cinematic styles and
bringing into this space. And actually, like Jordan Peele's doing
the same thing. It's like taking this elevated filmmaking and
bringing it into a genre that is notorious, especially this
(38:57):
teen type of jump scare genre, notorious for being dog
shit and making it good I think is something that
should be applauded, whether you like it or not. Yeah,
Like I think a Parker Finn in what he's doing
here is pretty special.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
So just smile and smile too, especially could have been
yeah truth or Dair Escape Room.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Yeah, your slender Man's like that. It's that genre. That
is the genre we're in here, but take you to
leave it. It's meant to target a teenage audience, you know,
the so your girlfriend over there jumping in her seat
into your lap, you know, And it's that's what these
movies are made for. It's just to hit hit you
a crazy jump scares a high schoorers are gonna watch
(39:43):
on a Friday night, yep. But they they're doing something
way more elevated and beyond that.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Yeah, I'm trying to see what Smile one got. Smile
one on Rotten Tomatoes got a seventy nine percent certified
Fresh and a seventy seven audience, so it it's better,
better scores all around.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Yeah, all, I think I said this earlier, but there's
no real cop out jump scares, like they are jump scares,
but they're they build to them, they build to them,
and they never do fake jump scares because there are
a couple of moments actually where this is what I
thought I did really well too, And they rely on
silence and when when man, you know, someone's thinking, someone's
using their nogging, when they're having something pop out, and
(40:26):
it's it just stays silent, or you're in a really
suspenseful moment instead of having a riser, you know, having
a score rise, they just cut it down by just
being the moment and that. Yeah that'll fuck with you.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
The the suspense and smile too, Yeah, crazy good.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Yeah, they do a good job of misdirecting you quite
a bit too.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
I mean even even in the scene at the at
the fundraiser where she's standing up there and she sees
uh Ray Nicholson. Yeah, and he stands and he's walking
towards her like it's light. It's not dark. Pitch Black,
you can't say no, it's bright. There are so many
people around, and just seeing him get closer and closer
(41:12):
and smile and seeing her emotions and freaking out and
everyone's like, what the hell is she freaking out about? Like, oh,
it was so good, so well done.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Yeah. So we've been you know, we've been applauding the
filmmaking itself, but this movie doesn't work without good performances.
You really need someone to go all out on it,
and he only's got crushed it killed it. Yeah, she's fantastic.
So it's too bad we can't get more of her
because well within this franchise, right because I think she
(41:44):
brought to the next level. She's why we're talking about it, right.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Well, even Susie Bacon and Smile one she.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Had to carry.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Yeah, I mean both both the movies were carried by
their lead.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Yeah, and they both.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Didn't really wantful job names, Scot especially Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Just yeah, because because Susie Bacon is in a situation
Smile where she is a doctor, you know, and uh,
to be to follow someone that's so broken in this
movie and has to its has to be a normal
person a pop star while also being fighting trauma and drugs.
(42:20):
It's like a lot. It's a tough thing to pull off,
and she dialed it so absolutely. That is one of
the main reasons this movie works.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Yeah, I haven't seen too many, too many movies this year,
but especially too many movies that came out this year.
But yeah, I think Smile Too is clearly on top
for the ones I've seen now I haven't seen. My
list is night Swim. Dude, that one's close to the top,
(42:48):
and Lisa Frankenstein.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Night Swim is another good example of one of those movies.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Right, and Lisa Frankenstein is completely different. That's all you've
seen this year of horror. Oh to get give you
a little, little little gist horror. I watch twenty twenty
twenty three horror movies in twenty twenty three, twenty of
them this year. I've seen three, yep, one of those
(43:12):
years movies in general, because I've been I've been very depressed.
In twenty twenty three, I watched ninety nine films that
does not include rewatches ninety nine in twenty twenty four,
twenty seven. But now that things are sort of slowing
down and I feel a little better, I want to
try to watch six movies a week, whether that's one
(43:36):
every day with one day off or or multiple. I
want to I want to try, Like, I'm really gonna
try to grind out these twenty twenty four horrors because
Abigail I heard it's fantastic.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
Yeah, like Abigail, it's a fun one.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
I want to see, even the shitty ones. I want
to see the shitty ones to watch Oddity, that's that's one,
the substance. Yeah, I haven't watched the Substance. Ye, Like,
there's quite a few on my list that I really
want to watch. And yeah, we might get to some
of those reviews in January of like movies we we
didn't cover right away, yeah, so uh so yeah, but
(44:11):
but yeah, this one's definitely at the top of the
you know, of the three that I watched huge, love it,
love it huge.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
I don't. I don't even I don't. I didn't follow
my uh after using right now letterbox I did. I
did not update my letterbox in real time. Maybe in
twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
I still use letterbox just because I have really bad ADHD.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
No, it's nice to have and I don't remember what
I watched this here, so it'd be nice to uh
to actually keep track with it. Yeah, maybe maybe next year.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Maybe next year.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
It's my New Year's resolution, keep track, keep track, keep
track of what I watched.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Yeah, I definitely want to get back into watching more movies.
I've been so adhd YouTube shorts and YouTube pilled this year.
Just watch it slop that I really need to sit
down and watch the movies that that everyone's talking about.
Speaker 3 (45:03):
Yeah, but that's what the podcast is good for. Correct,
that's what we'll be doing, guess her. Okay, I guess
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Did that that was crazy? I didn't lose a step.
But there was no practice round there. No, there's no
practice round there. Just did that. I can't believe I
haven't said that in what we got it? Creeping up
on a year? Yeah, yeah, eight months, nine months, ten months.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Maybe we threw something together in January February this year.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
But yeah, it has been a minute. If we have
recorded an episode of Make Every Death Count, and honest
to God, did not practice that intro that just like
came back to me was muscle memory right there? So
we're right back into it. So make our account where
it should be back for good for now. Yeah, that's
the point. We got a schedule all out for December,
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so it should be good, good to go for this month.
Schedules should stay open, should keep it going. There's no excuses,
all right. Took a while to get all this set
back up and get a nice easy recording setup, find
the time. But now we've done it and we're here.
We're bringing it back, and we figured we bring it
back on a relevant movie, a movie that's everyone's been
(01:51):
kind of talking about right now. We're a little late
to the party, but we're here nonetheless, and that is Smile,
to the sequel to the somewhat pretty big hit, give
or take for a horror film hit Smile. Yeah, and
for those that for that that don't know, okay, about
to embark on a world tour global pomp sensation Sky
(02:13):
Riley played by Naomi Scott. She's fantastic, experiencing increasingly terrifying
and inexplicable events. Overwhelmed by the escalating horrors and the
pressure of fame, Sky is forced to face her past.
So really, I feelos haven't seen Smile first of all spoilers.
We're gonna spoil the hell of this movie. That's what
we do on the show.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah, Smile Too just came out this week on Paramount Plus.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
So yeah, so go watch it.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Go watch it. Smile one is also on Paramount Plus.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Yeah, go watch it. You come up with your own
theories on what happened or where it's going, and then
come back and listen to ours. But the Smile Smile,
the way it works is that it's a It's like
a demon where if it takes over or it haunts
your brain, basically, it torments you until it breaks you
so much that it possesses you and force you to
(03:01):
kill yourself. And when you kill yourself, whoever witnesses that
then becomes the next victim. And apparently the only way
to then beat the demon is to murder somebody in
front of and have somebody witness it. That's how it works,
and that was explained in the the first movie as well,
(03:21):
and this time around the little curveball. To completely beat
the demon and not pass it on to somebody else
is to kill yourself, but then bring yourself back. Yeah, allegedly, allegedly.
We'll talk about that. So Ready directed by Parker Finn. Again,
I don't know if you looked into Parker Finn's career,
his director is directing career.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
It's short Smile.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
It's like a couple short films and Smile and Smile Too.
So to come out and do these films. Smile I
thought it was a good movie. I mean, we enjoyed it.
It wasn't anything groundbreaking, but it was a fun movie.
We had a good time with it. Smile Too, a
sequel to a movie like that really shouldn't be anything insane.
(04:08):
It should do the you know, the same type of formula,
do the same type of thing again. Be a little
teen teen horror film where it's gonna have some good
jump scares and you know, you go in, you have
fun time, and you never talked about it. Again, Smile
Too is way better than it deserves to be that
it should be.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Yeah, and just the way that the story goes like
it feels like it was shot back to back. Yeah,
it just every didn't didn't miss a step, felt like
we picked right back off where Smile one ended. Yeah,
it had no reason to be as good as as Smile.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah, it's what I like about Smile too, and Smile.
The first Smile has some of this too, but Smile
two really went all in that it's not just a
creatively in film and has a fun story to follow,
and it kind of plays some mind games with you.
It's also like they're trying extremely hard to shoot things
(05:08):
in creative ways for how Like they're doing like Oscar
type movements here, like things that like you see it
what you would because they're like the next level okay,
elevated horror, all right, they they're doing wonners. The movie
opens on a wonner with Kyle Gllner and it's just
one big long take and it has some really cool
(05:32):
transitions in there, and it's just like why are we
trying so? Why are you trying so?
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Right?
Speaker 3 (05:38):
It feels like that and this is just kind of
what this genre can be. Right. Smile kind of falls
into that. It feels like a movie that falls in
line with like truth or dare you know, like that's
the say the target audience feels the same. Yeah, but
they did a good job, Like they we said this
for this first Smile too, Like Smile, but the trailers
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just appeared to be another kind of teen shitty horror movie.
That's gonna be forgotten and no one cares about. But
they actually tried, and that is what happens. That's what this.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Genre could be. Yeah. Yeah, it pleasantly surprised even with
the first smile. Was definitely pleasantly surprised after seeing the trailers. Okay,
it looks like it's gonna be another teen crappy movie
that we personally do find enjoyment in, right, but it
completely blew away those expectations for a lot of people
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as well. And smile to just continues.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Yeah, smile too, I've seen I think some people might
be exaggerating a little bit because some people have said
it's like the best horror sequel the last twenty years,
one of the best horror sequels of all time, game
changing things like that. It is really good. I really
like it. It has no business meaning as good as it is. Yeah,
and I think it does some really special things. It
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truly earns, it scares. It shows that Parker Finn it
probably has a pretty right future ahead of him. I
think we're gonna be seeing a lot more Parker Finn here.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Yeah he's thirty seven. Yeah, he's a young guy. He's
killing it.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah, coming in here taking a it's kind of like
a really cheap concept. It's like, it feels like a
throwaway short film type of concept, where again, just a
couple of good scares and you move on to the
next thing. But he took it, ran with it, and
it made something pretty special here. So I think we're
gona see a lot more Parker Finn with some more
elaborate ideas. Yeah, so I'm all for it. But yeah,
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just Smile Too has so many well earned scares, real
suspense and keeps you guessing a little bit. But also,
let's start for meeting a little bit that we'll start
Kyle Goanner. I'm a little upset about how quickly Kyle
Gollaner kicks the bucket, but I also understand it because
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it's required essentially to make this thing working.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yeah, he's also been very busy, Yeah, busy man in
a lot of films, a couple this year, I think
three or four others this year.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
He deserves it.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yeah, he's killing it.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
He deserves it. But yeah, we start right where we
left off six days six days later after the events
of the first film, and he's just trying to pass
on to somebody else so he goes to this drug
dealer's house and goes to kill one of his henchmen,
if you will, in front of him to pass it
on to him. Goes wrong accidentally ends are killing both
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of them, and then he hasn't going to pass it
on to As he's escaping fleeing from other people, he
ends up getting hit by a car, which apparently is
good enough to count as a suicide. I mean, he
ran into the end of the street, not on purpose.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
But also there was there was someone else in that
room that witnessed it, so it should have.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Worked, right that, Well, he didn't witness the murder, I
don't know, or did he? Is that? So this dude
that witnessed that, that's did he did it? Take over?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Oh no? Oh man, I'm dumb.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
That was Lewis, correct, It's Lewis. That's in the That's
why he's the drug dealer.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, so I guess it it did work.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
He passed. But did it work because he saw the murder?
Or did it work because Kyle Golder killed himself because
Joel ran in front of the car and he witnessed that.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Well, yeah, I guess that's true because.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
If it did work, if he did pass it on
to to Louis, to Lewis because he killed the drug dealer,
then why do you have to kill Kyle Goldner like that?
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yeah he was just busy.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Yeah, probably, but either way passed it on to Lewis,
and I I will say, I'm a little disappointed with
the title card, well kind of because so they did.
They had his blood trail make the smile. I was like, oh, man,
it'd be cool if they just throw the two over
it and run it. But then they cut to like
a very Dario Argento kind of you know, Jollo style
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title card. It's like, oh, that's also cool. So I
like that, But then, like, man, I feel like we
could have done something cool like Evil Dead Rise type
ship right there, yeah, and have the blood trail actually
make the title card, but they didn't do that got
my hopes up. But at least they still let something cool.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah. Yeah, No, I I completely missed me that Lewis
was was the guy in the in the in that
one shot. I was so distracted by like the cinematography
of the opening one one take that I didn't even
realize it.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
And he looks quite a bit different. He does looks
quick because he's falling apart next time we see him. Yeah,
But there you go. That sets up the story we're
going for. Let me cut to Sky Riley. She's pop star.
She's looking to make that comeback. She did. She was
just in a a year before, was in a car accident.
(11:07):
That's I think. Did want the one guy die?
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Yeah? Her her boy boyfriend, played played by Jack Nicholson's
son Ray Nicholson.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Oh, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yeah, you couldn't tell. Later on when he was smiling.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
I guess I yeah, I guess I could see it. Yeah,
But he died and then her friend got severely injured,
and then they had like a falling out, and she
just was all all sorts of drugs. Life wasn't going well.
She's ripping her hair out. But now she she cleaned up,
she's trying to make her come back. And because she
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also was hurting the car accident, she's been dealing with
a pain med addiction, one that she hasn't quite trumped yet.
Because she's got to go back and get some more
Viking in and that's what leads us back to Lewis,
the drug dealer, and that's how she ends up getting
the curse, so we're following it. Well, it's a cool
idea because it's a very realistic and cheeky way to
(12:07):
put the curse on somebody who can be seen by millions. Yep,
it's not forced, like, uh, if you've seen Trap, I haven't,
but I know that's what we get.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
One of those twenty twenty four movies. We can come
back and yeah, I know a little bit about it.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Trap. I like Trap for one reason because of Josh Hartnett. Uh,
but that's one that feels super forced, whereas this is
a completely unrealistic, stupid scenario. This feels like a natural
way to take your unrealistic concept and bring it into
reality and it makes sense. Yeah, I get it. So honestly,
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there's I don't want to go beat by beat through
this movie because it's essentially now from here on out.
And this is one of the biggest complaints I've seen
about this movie is that from that moment on no
Sky being cursed whatever, up until the point that you
get to the end of the movie, it's kind of
the same thing. And the movie runs a little long
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at two hours and seven minutes, but I've seen it
twice now and I don't know what I would take out, right.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean some people, some people
have said that they would take out the flashbacks to
the accident, but then at the end we get the
reasoning why they left those flashbacks in.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Yeah, I don't think it works without them.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
No.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Well, on the topic of those those flashbacks, this is
probably one of the biggest points that people have kind
of dogged in this movie a little bit, is that
once you see them and you see just how awful
Sky was, it's really hard to continue to like her
as a character.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
I don't you grow from That's the whole point. She's
growing from that. Yeah, but she's still got a little
bit of a pain pill addiction afterwards, because of the
injuries to the accident. Yes, she's not doing cocaine I
drink it anymore, but she's still got a different kind
of addiction. Yeah, I don't I didn't find her unlikable
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after that.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
I think so either, because it's real, That's what I'm saying, Like,
there's something very this unrealistic idea is very grounded in reality. Yeah,
and so, yeah, I don't know. I saw we watched
a movie. Mike was talking about and how she's just
like the fucking worst. After seeing that scene, I think
that version of her character is the fucking worst. Yeah, yeah,
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I agree, that person seems pretty goddamn miserable.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
She's at the lowest.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Yeah, if I were to look at myself, I don't
know about one year ago, but like five years ago,
i'd hate myself too. You know, you grow as a person,
And I didn't really see that. I didn't think that
her past took away from her present.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
I don't agree. Yeah, I don't agree that, but there
were there. The flashbacks were the oscar Worthy, you know,
performances that they were going for, like having them yell
at each other in the car and just the emotions
changing throughout that three minute scene. Just seeing every both
of them go through every emotion was really well done,
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especially with you know, Ray Nicholson, who was that's his.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
I need to watch it again and just really think
about him. He really focus on him.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Yeah, Like he did a really really good performance for
only being in the movie for you know, three minutes
other than him smiling.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Yeah. Yeah. So there are two main plot points on
top of Sky's story here. Well really three two three
two we'll go with two. There's Gemma, her friend that
was in the car. They have a bad relationship now,
and what Sky is hoping to do is fix that
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because she's going through some shit. So she texts her
and Gemma's cool. Mealy calls her. They're good. She comes over,
it's like, oh cool, So she still got a friend.
That's nice. And then there's Morris. Okay, Morris, his brother,
is that right? His brother was cursed, just went through
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this yeah, eight.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
People ahead of her something yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Something, and ripped his jaw off, and that's when he
believed him. And now he's doing anything this power to
stop this smile demon from being passed on to the
next person. So he texts her, convinced her to meet up,
and that's when we established the fact that if she
were to safely kill herself and then be brought back,
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that it would end the curse. Yep. Now those two
plot points are important because we go sixty percent of
the movie knowing that those characters this establishing a relationship
with Gemma, multiple visits, with their conversations with Morris, things
like that. Then we get to the closer to the
end of the movie and she's like, okay, I'm over it.
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I'm gonna kill myself. And even if I don't get
brought back somehow, at least I'm not gonna spread this
thing any further contacts. Morris meets up YadA YadA in
the process of also escaping a private hospital. I don't
even know what those what that is, but yeah, she
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gets Gemma to help her and bring her to Morris
so that she can do this and kill herself. And
we got all that, and while in the car with Jemma,
she gets a call from Jemma and it's her saying, Hey, sorry,
I didn't know what to say after you texted me
or after I heard your voicemail, and you know, we
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left off on a bad foot. I just don't know
if I can forgive you. It's like, huh, I thought.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
You spent the night at my house the other night, right,
And she's like, I haven't been to your house over
a year.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Yeah, Like we haven't even talked. So you go this
whole movie thinking Gemma has been there for her and
it's talking to her, and the whole time it was
the demon fucking with her.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
And you know what, like it that moment when you
realize that you look back. You remember when that night
after she spent the night and she was late for
her rehearsal and her mom comes in, is like what
the fuck? And she's like, I'm sorry, and she goes
walks away and she goes hey Elizabeth. Yep, Elizabeth drinks
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and Elizabeth doesn't say respond.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Because she wasn't real.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah, no reason for that to be that good.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Why did the demon say hi to Elizabeth? Though? Was
it like a warning Hi? It's like, hih, Elizabeth, see
you soon.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Probably or just or just to make us freak out.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
It worked the move it's constantly I don't know if
because it is like kind of like six cents a
little bit where you're looking too deep. He might there
might be some hold or back to the future. It's like,
I don't know if that makes much sense, right, And
maybe that's what the high Elizabeth is a little bit.
It's like just kind of covering up a little bit.
But then yeah, so this this whole time, Gemma, Nope,
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like it's it wasn't her and it was all just
one big trick by the Spiral Demon. But she still
continues on, gets to Morris, and then as Morris kills her,
essentially puts her to sleep. She's going one on one
with a smile demon in her dream state whatever, and
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it looks like she's gonna kill herself and she's gonna
beat it, and it looks like it. We're like, oh, okay,
we did it. And then the demon's like, dude, none
of this is real, right, like all that I made,
all of this, and it's like, yeah, she's and then
all of a sudden we cut and she's on stage,
performing in front of thousands, tens of thousands of people
and kills herself on stage. Yep.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yeah, which again makes you think, like, was Morris real
the entire time? Was he was he actually at that
bar talking to her the first time?
Speaker 3 (20:20):
By my long, my long ass explanation of all that,
just to get the context out of the way, was
so we could talk about this, yeah, because this is like,
to me, is my numbing a little bit? So the
text and we know that this demon's been fucking with
her to a very elite level. I feel like I
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will we hasn't always done this to this level to
fuck with people. Also, this early on, like when the
Jema thing happened, it felt really early on in this
process it's supposed to be like a seven day thing,
slowly fucking you up, but immediately it's like, hey, here's
a fake person, here's a fake old friend.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Well yeah, and at and at the very beginning, Lewis
was possessed by the demon and sending texts that he
didn't know he sent, but he did. He looked at
his phone and said, I don't remember texting this.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Yes, how does if the demon can god? Because there's
so many things like when she killed her mom. She
kills her mom inside of that little private hospital thing
and it looks like she's we see it as a
mom killing herself, and then all of a sudden she
noticed that she's got glass in her hand. It's like
kind of a reveal that she killed her momp but
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none of that happened. All bullshit.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
She yeah, yeah, because her mom was alive at the
end at the concert.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
The rules of the Smile Demon are a little weird.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Well, and is the Smile Demon really thinking ahead? Like, okay,
I got to Lewis. Oh, Lewis knows Sky Riley, I
can use her to get in front of everyone, had to,
So it's thinking that far ahead and sending text to
Sky well, I guess, sky text said text of the
deepmon text said Lewis.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
And opened the door. I guess.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
But they're like, oh, okay, and yeah, it's sending texts
from Gemma and calls from Gemma and Gemma, Yeah, sending
texts from Mom, sending texts from uh from Morris. Was
Morris real at all? Because because when they're at the
at that bar and she's talking to Morris and then
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finally she gets recognized, she gets up to leave, and
the people, of course she's famous, so the people, you know,
kind of turn towards her and no one even gives
a fuck about Morris. And Morris just kind of sits
there at the bar and just like, well, she's leaving. Yeah,
was he real at all? Or was he actually real
in that moment? But then at the end he was.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
I feel like they intentionally because we don't see Morris
interact any other characters in the whole movie nope, So
I feel like they were intentionally keeping this conversation open.
They wanted you to second guess whether or not he
was real. I don't know it if Morris, So if
you're like deep diving into this, like things that don't
make sense. When Morris is explaining what happened to his brother,
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he says his jaw was ripped off in the parking garage,
and then it shows the shot of him ripping the
jaw off, Like why would we see that if it
wasn't a real story? Right, those kind of things if
you want to over be over picky about it. But
I don't really understand the rules of what the Smile
Demon can and can't do, because it seems like it
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can't possess you and kill you until you're at a
very specific mental state. I don't know what it's not,
like it's a meter that we can see in action,
but it seems like he has to break you down
before he can take over your body, and you know,
open your goddamn mouth up and all that shit.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Well, and that's what happened at the end of Smile
one as well, right, they opened they opened her mouth
and climbed it.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
So I understand and it being able to make you
see and hear things, but why can't it at times
make you do things like like Lewis Well, I guess no,
he wasn't possessed because that's what it was happening at
that time. When he's choking and ship. So if it
hasn't possessed you yet, why is it able to make
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you text people when one can it do that? One
can't do that, you know, because if that's the case,
just freaking grab a gun and kill them, like on
day two, brother, we can move on to people a
lot quicker. So I don't know, I'm just curious, or
it's it's a demon that just fuels on fucking with people,
like it just wants to make you nuts. I don't know,
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I just.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Were the rules.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
We got to talk to Parker about this, but yeah,
Morris alive real, who knows. We need we need to
watch it and analyze it frame my frame. Yeah, I
personally I like the twist. I dig that kind of writing.
I love cycle logical horror. And it's even more fun
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to me when a movie that you think you're on
top of, you think you know what's happening, all of
a sudden throws a curve ball and you're like, oh shit,
this whole time I was wrong. And that's exactly what
they did with Gemma, and I thought that was so
cool and creative and yeah, it's just a and then
you can go back and watch this movie and you
have no idea what it is real and what's not. Like,
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what we have to assume is that eighty percent of
the actions that she had in this movie or bullshit,
because she was able to present herself in a good
enough way that her mom put her back on stage
in front of tens of thousands of people, right right,
she had to be functioning.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Did she trash the dressing room? Did she go to
the hospital? No? I don't think she did, right, because
because in the hospital, her mom's like, no, we're gonna
take it easy, and then tomorrow you're gonna go on
stage for the tour.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
So she must have actually been there. Yeah, did she
ever if she was in the hospital, did she ever
leave it? Or she just truly blacked out for a week? Yeah?
Like what happened? First? The mom? Dude, the mom? If
assuming all that conversation was real and forcing her onto stage,
I understand that she's already she's not gonna get another
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opportunity like this is it? Right? But for the love
of Christ, she's this bad and you're going to force
her on the stage was kind of driving me nuts.
But there are Hollywood moms like that. Man, they exist.
Look half the fucking Nickelodeon stars over the years. Yeah,
they exist, They're out there. It's just damn.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Dude, At what point is the movie all in her head?
All in Sky's head? At what point?
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Yeah? When when do we fall out of reality?
Speaker 1 (26:47):
I have to watch it again?
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:51):
And then a lot of people didn't like the ending,
said it was a cop out. But how is this
cop out?
Speaker 3 (26:56):
What would you what would what do you want?
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Well, and that that was the whole thing that the
end of Smile won. It didn't end on a happy note.
She killed herself, She burned the burned herself in front
of Kyle Goldner.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
So now at the end of Smile two she kills herself,
Which how is it a cop out when it sets
up an amazing third movie. She just killed herself in
front of hundreds of thousands of people, who now all
I guess, have the Smile demon in them. So now
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this next movie is gonna be like the Purge. It
is all hell breaks loose because hundreds of thousands of
people are killing them to.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
You every week, do you do you want another movie?
I do?
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Now I do. I I want to see how crazy
this next movie can go because every seven days, one
hundred thousand people are killing themselves.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Yeah, the idea like that. The idea is cool, The
concept is cool. I just don't know how you take
what is this really in depth psychological horror that connects
you to a character and you kind of watch them
break and become something else and to the point where
it's making you believe certain things and not. I don't
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know how you do that with a large cast with
a lot of people. And I kind of the reason
I like the ending of Smile too is I was like,
good for them, we didn't need a resolution, Like there
is no resolution the demon one, and to me, there
is no stopping it now, Like you can if assuming
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the rules of the curse are what we learned and
Smile to where the only way to beat it, or
at least from you passing it on, is to kill
yourself and come back alive or whatever that is. There
is no way to stop it now. It's just not possible.
And so what they're gonna have to do and Smile three,
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if they continue on this line, is create a whole
other piece of lore that says you can defeat the
demon as a whole, all all together if you do
this very specific thing, here's the fucking necronomicon, you know,
like it's gonna have to be something so forced. And
that's what I like about Smile Too. And it's, like
I said, we're falling. It's a realistic concept inside of
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an unrealistic world, or the other way around, unrealistic concept
inside a realistic world. You just can't do that with
Smile three. I don't think I.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Want one more because at the end of Smile one, Okay,
the only way to beat it is to kill myself
when no one's around.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Well nope, that didn't work. The demon out smarted you. Yeah,
because now they just waited until Kyle Gollner showed up
until you kill himself. Okay, the Smile too, Like, okay,
the way to do it is to kill myself. Oh wait,
none of this was real. I'm one of the demon
is one two steps ahead already always Yeah, So Smile
three going batshit insane. Where a hundred thousand people are
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killing themselves every week, every seven days, there's gonna be
a way we can stop it for good. I want
I want Smile three to end with no again. No, no,
the world is over. Yeah, that's that's what I want.
I trust, I trust.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Yeah, I'm I'm okay with if they do another one.
I'm gonna watch it, and I'm sure they canna do
something cool with it. But part of me kind of
wants this series to end, and we always are left
with that ending a smile To assuming that the demon
just took over the world. Yes to me that that's
the only thing that could happen here without doing some
sort of like crazy here's a spell.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
So you hear what Parker Finn said about the future.
So in September twenty twenty four, he confirmed plans to
continue the franchise with a third film, saying, we've maybe
only scooped a single glass of water out of the ocean.
I think it's really fun to imagine a lineage of
smile movies where each one becomes more off the rails
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than the previous one. I don't agree with that. Do
three make it batshit insane and call it how do
you get? How do you keep going?
Speaker 3 (31:02):
First of all, man, the analogy of a cup out
of an ocean after what Smile To is is a
crazy thing to say. Let's be realistic here, Let's be
realistic here Parker. Okay, it might be a small glass
of water out of a small pond, not an ocean.
(31:22):
All right. I don't like the analogy. Uh yeah, I
don't know. I just I can't imagine them making a
sequel that is as good as Smile Too. Again, I
can't imagine them doing that again. And I think as
you get more and more bonkers with bigger and bigger cash,
you start losing what is the psychological suspense that they
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have here, and I think that's what made Smile to
work so well. So I don't know, you're basically certain
kind of going into another genre kind of you know,
like happy happy that thing. Yeah, like it kind of
we're changing genre.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
So I want I want one more. I want it
to be that insane pick up. Six days later, all
these people start killing themselves and and go one more. Yes,
we finally got it this time, But then they don't.
The Demon is still one step ahead, and now it
is world domination. And that's where I want to see
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it end, because there's no way you can do Smile
three and have it actually defeat the Demon at the end.
Right after one and two, there's no way, right the
Demon one you.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Got something really creative in your pocket. I just don't
know how you write something that makes sense out of
it without being a complete cop out.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Did we see Did we see Kyle Gollner take his
last breath?
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Uh? No, we saw his body in several pieces on
the road.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
So but.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Like I said that, maybe the only reason that the
demon curse thing was spread was because of his death
to Lewis, I don't know if Lewis saw the murder, right,
but I have a feeling that that's what it was.
I feel like that was the point. Yeah, because he
might have seen the one dude take his.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Last breath yet, right, Yeah, he had to he was
in the room.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Well I didn't he like walk out of another room though,
And I don't know, Yeah, I don't know, but either
way it worked.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
I want smiles through smile three to just yeah, to
go bonkers, but that I don't want anymore after that.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Yeah, I guess it just depends depends on how it's written,
what it establishes.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Obviously, if it's a movie with a one hundred and
thirty seven million dollar budget, how much money did it make?
What it is one hundred, one hundred and thirty seven million,
That was the budget. That was the budget.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
I don't like it anymore all of a sudden, one
hundred and thirty seven million dollars.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
No, that's boute.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Now about to say, bro, that's no twenty eight.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
That is twenty eight?
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Okay, how about it? Do they had over one hundred
million dollars to make a horror movie?
Speaker 1 (34:08):
I'm fucking twenty eight million dollar budget, one hundred and
thirty seven box office.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
That's pretty good and our horror film, I.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Mean the plus your rentals got a lot of rentals. Yeah,
a lot of people have been talking about it so
that they're going to keep doing it if it keeps
making money. Obviously.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
I I'm just glad that horror like this still exists,
you know, we have the horror genre is pretty special
right now. A lot of people want to mint that
your old school horror fans that are like it was
better than the eighties. I hear you. I look at
my office. Have you ever seen my office? I agree,
I hear you. But I think the genre is finding
(34:51):
its place inside of pop culture. Like it's falling right
in line with like Oscar movies, things like Terrifier three,
another one that has really no business being talked about
on a person a person basis like this. It's something
that forty years ago would have only the tiniest little
cult following, like a sleep away camp, you know, But
(35:15):
here it is making millions and millions of dollars. It's
pretty nuts. And then you smile too, and you have
your your ari asters out there and things like Jordan Peel,
like the genre is doing better than it really ever has.
It's making a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Did you know that they made a made a EP
of sky Riley really? Yep. It's got six songs on it. Well,
it's a piano version, but it's got songs that she
was singing in the movie and NAMEA Scott sing them.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
So oh that's nice.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Yeah, that's fun. We're having fun.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
That scene where she was playing on the piano, I
thought we're gonna get a whole musical moment right there.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Uh that that's on the EP. That's three minutes and
fifteen seconds.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Yeah, I thought we're gonna get a whole thing there
and then cut it off. It was like probably the
right choice.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Yeah, I yeah, I like I said, I want smile three.
I want it to be crazy. I want I want
the demon to win. We don't get happy endings. Okay,
we haven't gotten any so far. No need, no need.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
The ending I thought was way better than a Smile one.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
I agree. So just yeah, just completely being like you
you thought, yeah, you thought they actually had an upper
rand here.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
There was such an emphasis on the creature at the
end of Smile one, and I didn't, I really thought,
because this is I'm circling back to this concept for
the twentieth time. I think what makes Smile work is
that it is this unrealistic concept inside of a realistic world,
and the second that big ass creature gets involved, you're like, oh,
(36:56):
we're watching a creature free a creature feature all of
a sudden, and it just kind of takes me out
of it. But when you keep it inside of humans
and it's humans just manipulating the mind and things like that,
that is cool as shit. And that they stuck with
that through the end. Don't Smile too, And I dig it.
So I'm cool with the brutal ending. And and like
(37:16):
I said, I don't need a sequel, honestly, like I'm
gonna watch it. I mean, honest I will spend my
money on it, but it's I just don't think you
need one. I just I like the idea, Like, that's it.
They just took over the fucking world, dude, that's it.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
I want to see. I want to see how they
how they go at having hundreds of thousands of people
kill themselves every seven days. I want to see how
how they can respond to that.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
It would be the apocalypse. It's gonna be coming apocalyptic film.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
I'm down. I'm down for it.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
What do you how do you write that? God, I
don't even know where I would start.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
That's why they make the big bucks.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
So smile too. On IMDb has a six point nine
out of ten Rotten Tomatoes eighty six percent certified fresh
from critics, and then audience is eighty one percent.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Yeah, what would you give out a ten?
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Fuck? I think I'm going eight and a half.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Yeah, I was good. I'm biking him right like an eight.
I was thinking seven and a half. But I just
think it deserves a little bit more credit than that. Yeah,
I saw shout out to my friend Stereo Crow. I've
seen a lot of people will describe it as mid
I he first all, I hate that terminology, but I
(38:35):
just think a movie that is going above and beyond
in this genre to take really cool cinematic styles and
bringing into this space. And actually, like Jordan Peele's doing
the same thing. It's like taking this elevated filmmaking and
bringing it into a genre that is notorious, especially this
(38:57):
teen type of jump scare genre, notorious for being dog
shit and making it good I think is something that
should be applauded, whether you like it or not. Yeah,
Like I think a Parker Finn in what he's doing
here is pretty special.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
So just smile and smile too, especially could have been
yeah truth or Dair Escape Room.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Yeah, your slender Man's like that. It's that genre. That
is the genre we're in here, but take you to
leave it. It's meant to target a teenage audience, you know,
the so your girlfriend over there jumping in her seat
into your lap, you know, And it's that's what these
movies are made for. It's just to hit hit you
a crazy jump scares a high schoorers are gonna watch
(39:43):
on a Friday night, yep. But they they're doing something
way more elevated and beyond that.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Yeah, I'm trying to see what Smile one got. Smile
one on Rotten Tomatoes got a seventy nine percent certified
Fresh and a seventy seven audience, so it it's better,
better scores all around.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Yeah, all, I think I said this earlier, but there's
no real cop out jump scares, like they are jump scares,
but they're they build to them, they build to them,
and they never do fake jump scares because there are
a couple of moments actually where this is what I
thought I did really well too, And they rely on
silence and when when man, you know, someone's thinking, someone's
using their nogging, when they're having something pop out, and
(40:26):
it's it just stays silent, or you're in a really
suspenseful moment instead of having a riser, you know, having
a score rise, they just cut it down by just
being the moment and that. Yeah that'll fuck with you.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
The the suspense and smile too, Yeah, crazy good.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Yeah, they do a good job of misdirecting you quite
a bit too.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
I mean even even in the scene at the at
the fundraiser where she's standing up there and she sees
uh Ray Nicholson. Yeah, and he stands and he's walking
towards her like it's light. It's not dark. Pitch Black,
you can't say no, it's bright. There are so many
people around, and just seeing him get closer and closer
(41:12):
and smile and seeing her emotions and freaking out and
everyone's like, what the hell is she freaking out about? Like, oh,
it was so good, so well done.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Yeah. So we've been you know, we've been applauding the
filmmaking itself, but this movie doesn't work without good performances.
You really need someone to go all out on it,
and he only's got crushed it killed it. Yeah, she's fantastic.
So it's too bad we can't get more of her
because well within this franchise, right because I think she
(41:44):
brought to the next level. She's why we're talking about it, right.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Well, even Susie Bacon and Smile one she.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Had to carry.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Yeah, I mean both both the movies were carried by
their lead.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Yeah, and they both.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Didn't really wantful job names, Scot especially Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Just yeah, because because Susie Bacon is in a situation
Smile where she is a doctor, you know, and uh,
to be to follow someone that's so broken in this
movie and has to its has to be a normal
person a pop star while also being fighting trauma and drugs.
(42:20):
It's like a lot. It's a tough thing to pull off,
and she dialed it so absolutely. That is one of
the main reasons this movie works.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Yeah, I haven't seen too many, too many movies this year,
but especially too many movies that came out this year.
But yeah, I think Smile Too is clearly on top
for the ones I've seen now I haven't seen. My
list is night Swim. Dude, that one's close to the top,
(42:48):
and Lisa Frankenstein.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Night Swim is another good example of one of those movies.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Right, and Lisa Frankenstein is completely different. That's all you've
seen this year of horror. Oh to get give you
a little, little little gist horror. I watch twenty twenty
twenty three horror movies in twenty twenty three, twenty of
them this year. I've seen three, yep, one of those
(43:12):
years movies in general, because I've been I've been very depressed.
In twenty twenty three, I watched ninety nine films that
does not include rewatches ninety nine in twenty twenty four,
twenty seven. But now that things are sort of slowing
down and I feel a little better, I want to
try to watch six movies a week, whether that's one
(43:36):
every day with one day off or or multiple. I
want to I want to try, Like, I'm really gonna
try to grind out these twenty twenty four horrors because
Abigail I heard it's fantastic.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
Yeah, like Abigail, it's a fun one.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
I want to see, even the shitty ones. I want
to see the shitty ones to watch Oddity, that's that's one,
the substance. Yeah, I haven't watched the Substance. Ye, Like,
there's quite a few on my list that I really
want to watch. And yeah, we might get to some
of those reviews in January of like movies we we
didn't cover right away, yeah, so uh so yeah, but
(44:11):
but yeah, this one's definitely at the top of the
you know, of the three that I watched huge, love it,
love it huge.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
I don't. I don't even I don't. I didn't follow
my uh after using right now letterbox I did. I
did not update my letterbox in real time. Maybe in
twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
I still use letterbox just because I have really bad ADHD.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
No, it's nice to have and I don't remember what
I watched this here, so it'd be nice to uh
to actually keep track with it. Yeah, maybe maybe next year.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Maybe next year.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
It's my New Year's resolution, keep track, keep track, keep
track of what I watched.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Yeah, I definitely want to get back into watching more movies.
I've been so adhd YouTube shorts and YouTube pilled this year.
Just watch it slop that I really need to sit
down and watch the movies that that everyone's talking about.
Speaker 3 (45:03):
Yeah, but that's what the podcast is good for. Correct,
that's what we'll be doing, guess her. Okay, I guess
that's gonna wrap up this episode of Make Every Death Count.
If you're interested in seeing the video version of the show, ever,
you can do so to coming a member on the
YouTube channel, follow us on socials. That's all I really got, Okay,
(45:25):
but that is always Thank you guys so much for listening. Hey,
we'll talk to you next time. Bye. I know you're
gonna forget.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
To hide your rise.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
From the movie screens, toderies from the Horror Screen Hall
of Fame for villains, watch.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
Them take a ball.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
This slasher has no doubt beil Go all about to
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