December 18, 2024 • 28 mins
Make Every Death Count is celebrating the Christmas season by reviewing all 3 Black Christmas films, starting today with the original (and best) from 1974!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
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Speaker 1 (00:39):
What's happening? Love is what's going on? We're gonna get tropical.
We're gonna get tropical. Welcome back to another episode of
Make Every Death Count, brought to you by the Slash
and Cast podcast and Network. We're your hosts. My name
is Riley, my name is Nick. Didn't say that last time,
did Wey? We did? We said we're your hosts?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Did we? Yeah? I was so excited about getting the
intro correctly, I thought we might skip the host part.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Did it? Oh?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
We did it a little late. Getting back to this episode,
I'm hoping because we're doing two episodes back to back
right now, that will be back on track so that
we still release our Black Christmas twenty nineteen review on
Christmas Day. You're welcome, But today, of course, we're starting
our three episode run here of Black Christmas Film, starting
(01:22):
with the original, because I think this one it's not
so much that it's I think it's more entertaining to
talk about bad movies. Yeah, you know what I mean.
I think people like when you dog on things. Yeah. Now,
I'm not saying we're gonna do that for the remake
and the other remake.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
We might do it for this one.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Well, that's what I was gonna say. Is I know
I won't do it to this one. Yeah, because Black
Christmas nineteen seventy four, produced and directed by Bob Clark,
written by Roy Moore Bob Clark, Is this Bob Clark's
best Christmas movie? Thoughts? Yes it is.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Yeah, you do like a Christmas story.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I I think my favorite christ movie ever is a
Christmas story. But now it's it's conflicting because I don't
I don't know. I'm not the kind of guy to
watch horror movies for Christmas movies. That makes sense. It's
not that I'm not saying this isn't a Christmas movie
because I it is. I suppose.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
I mean, this might be my favorite Chris movie because
I don't really like.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Yeah, humbug over there. Yeah, humbug. Yeah, you need to
be visited by some ghosts.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
M okay, cool, cool, I met.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Someone needs to show you that Christmas is great. You're Scrooge.
Muh hmm.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
But yeah, it's my favorite Christmas movie.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I guess it's definitely my favorite horror die Hard, But
whoa Diehard is not a Christmas movie? Start that debate.
I I I've locked into this same lately because everybody's
got to say Diehards a Christmas movie, and you're the
devil if you say otherwise. I think it is a
Christmas movie because the rules of what a christ movie
(03:10):
are so broad, and like, does it take place on Christmas?
Is there Christmas music? He stanted to you, that's it.
That's all it takes, Town, That's all it takes. Like, okay,
why were they in the tower? Right? Because then you
could you'd easily counter like if Christmas is not pivotal
of the plot, if that's the rule, then like Home
Alone's on a Christmas movie because he doesn't need to
(03:31):
be Christmas. No, it's just parents need to go on vacation,
that's it. It doesn't have to be Christmas for it
to work. But you know, die Hard is a Christmas movie, yes,
but it's not a good one. That's my new thing.
Now whoa yeah, whoa, whoa, whoa. It's a great action film,
it's not a good Christmas movie.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Now Live Free or Die Hard? Great, not a Chris
but it's one of the best action movies.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Not.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
No. One wouldn't say that. No, I love that movie though.
It's God yeah, because it Guy Justin Long, Tims, the Oliphant, Mary,
Elizabeth windestt Winstead. That's all you need, correct, And I
guess Bruce Willis is it too, Yeah, he's all right, yeah, yeah,
but yeah, that's that's my thing. So it's a it's
a Christmas movie by definition, but it's not a good one.
(04:25):
Would you probably say the same thing for Black Christmas?
Because it doesn't exactly make me want to go hang
out at Christmas parties? Does it?
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Kind kind?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah? All right, so Black Christmas. Think it's been a while. Well,
I watch the movie every year, but I find that
I don't. I'm not like dialed into it because somebody
will watch it with me. No one in my family
will watch it. It's too disturbing for them. Come on, I
I this time around. This is one of those movies.
It's just like the texting some Mascar, where every time you
(04:56):
watch it you discover something new and appreciate something more
about it. And like, this movie deserves every little bit
of praise it gets today and now so today because
we're doing this reviews back to back. I watched this
one and the two thousand and six remake together, and
even more so, I appreciate this movie so much more
(05:17):
now it is. I have one critique that I think
holds it back as a slasher film, even though it's
like the first true slasher arguably, and I'm going to
hold that critique. Make sure I say it though, make
sure we come back to my critique. There's one thing
that I think holds it back from being like a
definitive slasher like Halloween. But I don't want to go
(05:40):
through the whole movie. We don't do that here, won't
go beef for beef. But I do want to start
with the calls. That opening call is so good. It's
actually kind of crazy how far they went with that
call in nineteen seventy four.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah yeah, and actually the word kind yeah was was
banned in the UK.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah, honestly, the cunt part wasn't even that that bad. Well, yeah,
he gets thrown around so much in this generation. It's
like whatever. Yeah, but I thought even though the let
Me Lick It, Let Me Lick it was like it
was kind of hard to listen to. And then it's
like talking about his fat cock. I was like, this
is pretty crazy for nineteen seventy four to be that
(06:23):
blunt about things. And what is not a X rated
film or a grindhouse film. Yeah, yeah, it's a Christmas movie. Yeah,
it's a Christmas movie. And calling them a piggy, Yeah,
piggy stuck on my fat cock, piggy dan cunt cunt. Yeah.
(06:44):
It was. It's pretty intense. And then so that you
get that part of it to you get the very
guttural graphic part of the phone call. But as those
phone calls keep going throughout the movie, they have this
way even in today, where they hold up and they're
very disturbing. Yeah, and like, dude, that's Mancuso and it's
(07:04):
it's Bob Clark doing the acting for it, and they
were just like improving ye, just saying shit.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yeah, it was interesting this time around. It's been a
while since I've seen Black Christmas I forgot that we
really do just jump right into it. Yeah, I for
some reason, I was just like, did I did I miss?
And I skip back. I'm like, oh no, yeah, we
just jump right in. He's he's climbing in it.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
You kind of think about Halloween and establishing the killer
and having an opening scene or an escape scene, because
you just and we don't even know if that's what
happened with Billy, right, That's that's the thing about this
movie is you have no freaking clue, which is probably
a bad thing to some people. I like it, Yeah,
(07:50):
I like That's one of the reasons I love Halloween
so much. It's so simple, no motive. It just works.
I don't know, it just it feels real. And this
idea of Billy, who may or may not have used
to live in this house, may or may not even
be named Billy for the Sorority girls call him the
moaner because he's called in the past previously. In this
(08:11):
time around, Barb thanks Lois Laine, had to mess everything
up Margot Kidder, and I'm not sure if that is
why he decides to go off. I see like a
lot of theories about that, but yeah, Barb snap back
at him a little bit this time, and it's like, Okay,
I'm just gonna go ahead and kill people now. Yeah,
(08:31):
I don't know. Yeah, he just wanted to moan a
little bit. Yeah, piggy, Yeah, suck my fatcuck piggy.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
God, good times, good times. But that's the thing, because
people look at the remake now and the Bob Clarke
has said some stuff over the years, kind of giving
backstory to Billy that he killed his parents on Christmas
Eve in that house. Apparently he killed his parents and
then his sister Agnes he locked in the basement. She escaped.
She reported him to believes he got locked him in
(09:03):
a psych word escaped. That's how the movie happens. Now.
I don't like knowing that. I think it's a lot
more fun not knowing that.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Yeah, it's kind of like when JK. Rowling would just
be like, oh, by the way, this character was this
the entire time.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Yeah, Dumbledore is gay.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Everyone's gay, isn't Harry Potter now, which but like it
wasn't established in the books or the movie. It was
just like, oh, hey, by the way, Like, yeah, I
don't really like it changes nothing exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
It changes nothing.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
But whereas whereas in Black Christmas, it does, you know,
makes things scarier in some ways.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Scarier not knowing you're saying, or yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Scary not knowing and less scary knowing.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yeah, it's it's interesting because not knowing. The remake establishes
this weird backstory, and we'll get into that next week
or later this week while this release schedule goes. But yeah,
I think once you watched the remake, it unintentionally takes
away from this movie.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
It's too much spoilerler, it's too much lore.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Yeah, but you kind of start to take that backstory
to establish it like apply to this movie, right, And
I don't like that. Yeah, yeah, it for me, but Billy,
I think it's I also forgot. I didn't understand, like
I remember, obviously, we don't know anything about Billy. We
don't even know if his name is Billy or why
he's there. But I forgot how they just don't show
(10:32):
him like at all. But yeah, they show his eye,
they show some silhouettes. Yeah, it's just his eye twice,
that's it, in two different times than his silhouette. That's it.
That's his hand. Yeah, even at the at the end,
because I was trying to say, man, did they should
there reveal him here? And Nope, Nope, nope, they don't.
(10:53):
They nothing. They you just never see him, which is
so unique for a slasher film to never get that
reveal who is, especially because this is a who Done it?
I mean, it is categorized as a who Done it
and you don't get that reveal at all, don't even
to see this person doesn't exist. But I tell you
what though, if they did reveal his face, it would
(11:14):
it would totally take away from it, Yeah, because it
won it'd be like a Missus Vorhee situation where you're like, fuck,
is that guy right and not knowing I don't know,
because he could be anybody, and he could be anything.
I think there's kind of something about him that feels
not human. I don't know a little bit. It feels
like it feels realistic.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Well, yeah, you don't know who it is. It could happen.
It could be anybody. It could happen to anybody, It
could happen to you.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, of course, you know, based on that the iconic
urban legend the babysitter. It's right, the babysitter and the
man upstairs. Yeah, so like when a stranger calls to
the same thing. Halloween kind of plays with that a
little bit. It's been that urban legend has been used
a million times now, and yeah, this is one of
the first examples of it in the real world. So yeah,
(12:03):
I tell you. One thing that I thought was interesting
is the direct use of tracing the phone call in
the seventies. Yeah, kind of. It was weird to watch, like, oh, yeah,
you have to actually just manually go and figure out,
first of all, how do you even do that? How
do those work? You can just happen to any call
(12:23):
you want in theory, Yeah, those guys are I mean,
we need to talk to someone used to work there.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Well, I mean even you know, we're nineties kids, but
like even yeah, like hello, hello operator, Yeah I can't
hear her, Like the operator is listening to make sure
the call connects, right, like but then yeah, having the
ability to trace calls and forward them to the police station.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Yeah yeah, then they go in and like just straight
up put a tap in and a forward it over.
It's interesting And people think, now is where you know,
FBI's listening all the time?
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Yeah, I mean they are, but you know what they
always were Hey, yeah, AI is always listening.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
That's okay, gives you better cookies. Get those direct ads
on Instagram, Yeah, that's what we're looking for.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Yeah, at least at least they're showing me crap that
I kind of want. Yeah, not crap that I don't want.
It gets me all the time. What's the dumbest thing
ever bought off one of those ads? Well, to be honest,
I haven't had a lot of money in the last
twenty seven years of my life.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
I actually I just bought something off one of those
stupid ads, and I don't want to tell you what
it is because I'm gonna I think I'm gonna do
it on one of the streams. I'm gonna bring it
in horror product. It's not. Oh, it's not. But I've
gotten a lot of stuff from horror products popping up
on Facebook ads, Instagram ads.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Yeah, it's it ain't junk. I'll tell you that much.
If I'm buying it, it's not junk.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
I bought is junk. I'm gonna be honest, it's straight junk.
I showed it to my wife and she's like, why
the fuck did you buy that? I was like, it's
only thirty bucks, and it's gonna be funny. That's why
is it?
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Okay, it's not a horror themed does it? Christmas theme?
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Okay, I'm out. I guess this. So it'll be fun.
It'll be funky. We'll probably look at it and then
never look at it again. Okay. It'll be a one
time thing. It'll be a one time stream gag and
then'll be the end of it. It's a black Christmas,
so black Christmas scary. I think Jess is probably one
(14:36):
of the most underrated final girls ever.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
I think Kersey Cotton gets a lot of that doesn't
get the credit she deserves. But I don't know, I
feel nobody talks about Jess.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Yeah, she's goaded.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
There's also watching this time around was blasting the surround
sound and watching in four K on a really really
good surround sound. Barb's death really puts in perspective just
how special that scene is. That is it's so argento,
it's so Jollo, and to have it mixed with the
(15:16):
carrollers and that with that horse in the class unicorn
thing going on there just I don't know, man, that
kill is It's good. Now it's up there. Now for
my favorite kills in cinema.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Yeah, so I was rewatching now while I was sending
some emails doing some work. But yeah, that scene, that
scene got me to look look over to the screen
and oh shit, yeah that's right. Yeah, it's so good.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Yeah, it's mixed super well, and it actually makes sense
for the horse to be there, unlike the remake. That's
one of my beasts of that movie. I was like,
what the that's great. So how do you feel about
the end of itself? So you get the chase scene
(16:03):
that's pretty short, and she gets into the basement, just
gets into the basement, and we get Peter. Peter shows up,
which should be fair. He's pretty creepy, just his boyfriend.
Yea who this whole movie. He's been a suspect this
whole movie. A legitimate one too, He's not just a
red herring. Because there's times as an audience, I think,
especially your first time watching, you think it's him. Yeah,
(16:25):
you think it's him. And you know she Jess is pregnant.
She doesn't want to keep the baby. She's mari you
know where it is gonna affect her future. He wants
to keep the baby. Super mad that she doesn't want
to to the point where he just destroys the piano.
It's very serious for him, so that whole time it
(16:47):
seems like motive for him to be doing this. Yep.
At the end, he randomly shows up. She's locked in
this basement. I don't know why he checks the basement
door like that instead of the jammed upstairs front door.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Right, she had to get in somehow.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Yeah, I mean, he just doesn't even it's weird to me.
He breaks the window out, doesn't really give a ship
and then he goes he jumps through the window and
goes in there, and he finds just in this corner,
freaking out. She still thinks it's him. Yeah, and he
just keeps pushing forward. Yeah, he's he's he is creepy.
At that shot of him when he's like looks through
(17:22):
the window the first time he rubs off the window
his face, he's like, he's genuinely a creepy looking dude.
But yeah, then we cut away and the cop is
showing up and she killed him, and now she's like
in shock, hold his holding his dead body.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Yeah, in my lap, I remember reading a fun fact
that he was not His scenes were filmed separately than
everyone else's, Like, he barely even met any of the guests.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
So then he shows up and laying on laps. Yeah,
nice goals. So what was your question? What he? What
do you? What? Do you like that? Ending? You like
the Peter red Herring situation?
Speaker 3 (18:04):
I mean it's it's different. I mean if you if
you've never seen it before, I don't think you expect
where it goes. I think you expect them to struggle
rather than we kind of just cut to the police
showing up and she won. M I think you kind
of expect, if you haven't seen it, expect the police
to find her dead body and he's gone, and he's
(18:28):
he's billy.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Yeah, but but that just.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Confirms like, oh shit, there there is a billy.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Well, yeah, you go after that happens and Peter's dead,
she kills them with the fire poker. She for some reason,
they put her back in bed in the sorority house.
To me, that feels weird a little bit. Wouldn't you
get her out of there? Yeah? Wouldn't hear the hospital.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
But they did say the hospitals were overrun from all
these dead bodies, So wouldn't give her someone else to stay, right,
you say, the same house from the dead bodies he
just carried out.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Well, there's a copy, there's a there's a cop.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
He's standing up from to no. No, he's standing outside
his guard in the place. Uh so no one can
come in.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Yeah, but he's already there, he's inside the house. Yeah, yeah,
it's it was. They do a cheeky thing, so John Saxon,
which but Lieutenant Fuller, goat, goat, he's the perfect lieutenant. Yep.
He should do it again sometime, all right, right, I
hope I hope he does. I hope a couple of
(19:31):
years later. I hope we see that happen. Dude, you know,
give it like six years or actually it'll be ten
years eighty four. Yeah, ten years later, see him do
it again. Once a decade, I'd be down. It'd be great. Uh. Yeah,
he's got to go address the media. And then mister
Harrison goes into shock and they walt Claire's dad, yeah,
and takes him out of there.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
That was a little awkward, Yeah, a little force.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
He's just like, oh lord, yeah. Yeah. Then the room
clear years out. It's just her. She's vin sedated cop
shits out the lights. Yeah, she seems fine, but then
we pushed back into the attic. Bodies are still there
here in the rocking Yeah, Billy's still moaning, being the moaner,
and then the phone rings, and the phone just keeps
(20:15):
on ring.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
She's not going to answer that she's sedated, and then
he's still there.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
It's the perfectly up to a sequel that I can't
believe didn't happen. Right. It didn't really make a ton
of money. I mean did it Critically? It didn't even
do well when it first came out. Just like Halloween,
it didn't get the praise deserved until later. Halloween got
lucky it got it got a critic review that was like, oh,
this is actually incredible, everyone goes see it. But Black
Christmas didn't really get feed off that same energy. We
(20:42):
did make four million dollars worldwide on a six hundred
and eighty thousand dollars ish budget in nineteen seventy four. Yeah, so,
I mean it did make money, but I guess not
enough to justify making a sequel.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
I'm surprised they didn't just make another you know, B
movie sequel that is really on shoe string budget.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I'm really glad they didn't to be honestly looking back,
because the remakes are a good example of how horribly
can go wrong. Right it is, Yes, she loses technically
like it is, the killer is winning this battle here
the conclusion of the film. But I like that it's
super dark, super creepy.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Well then then yeah, then it's again it's open ended.
This could happen to you. Oh shit, they didn't catch them.
The chair is still fucking rocking up there.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yeah. Like Claire's death, by the way, is so iconic. Yeah,
just being just kicking. I love Zooms. Zooms need to
come back. And you know who else knew that was
James Wan, and James Wan was doing a good job
bringing Zooms back, like with the Conjuring, and now it's
it seems like it's kind of going away a little
bit again, ari Astor I know, like Zooms. I there
(21:54):
is something so eerie about a cinema zoom where you
just not pushing, but you zoom in. It feels different
because your perspective is changing, and I just think it's
way more eerie. And when that happens with Claire in
the closet, where it just zooms past Claire and you
through the plastic wrap there. I just think that's creepy
(22:14):
at shit. I don't know they need to do more
of that, but her body, that image of her with
the plastic and stood in the rocking chair is super
iconic and creepy at shit. Yeah. Still every poster you see,
like the main poster everywhere. They just did brand new
artwork this year actually for the fiftieth anniversary. Yeah, fiftieth anniversary,
(22:35):
brand new artwork for it. And it's it's Claire. Yep,
it's great, Claire Claire. Yeah. I don't know, I just
it's it holds up man, it's creepy. It's I like
how simple the kills are. Originally Bob wanted more graphic kills,
but then they stepped away from it, said if you
(22:57):
leave it open ended, you know, let the at your
audience fill in the blanks, it can be scarier, which
Halloween did the same thing. It obviously works. Yep, it's
a good film. Yeah, it's a great film. What would
you rate it? Hi, man like nine? Probably?
Speaker 3 (23:14):
I believe on letterbox I gave it four and a
half out of.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Five, so nine nine nine. Yeah, it's it's great and
it's not. I don't think it's the definitive slasher, but
it deserves all the credit in the world for truly
kicking off the genre because you could from the opening
shot of the film with the POV from Billy, it's like, hey, Halloween,
there you go exactly. It's yeah, it's got so much
(23:40):
that And of course the callegs are coming from inside
the house when a stranger calls ran with that idea
and just took it out of the Christmas setting.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
I asked my brother, because I had said that we
were going to film this for your I asked my brother.
I'm like, you know, the the calls are coming from
the size. He's like, yeah, I've heard of that. I'm like,
you know what it's from. He's like, no, my Black Christmas.
And even my parents were like, oh yeah, oh yeah,
you know we watched that, you know, a long time ago.
We watched that. But yeah, we've calls it come from
(24:09):
inside the house. That's Black Christmas. Huh Yeah, Like yeah,
I will say I haven't seen the original Black Christmas
in a long time before I rewatched it. I think
this was what I needed. It's going to be on
my yearly watch.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
List, Yeah, I say, saying it's just so good. Yeah,
and I have officially cut off the two thousand and
six to one from my watch. Come on, I'm telling
you say that when we when you hear our review
for it next week or whatever, whenever that comes out.
It can be come just a few days from now.
Just no, I'm going to be really mean because I
(24:45):
am so disappointed. I just I remember liking the movie
and just watching it again, especially right after I watched this,
when I'm like, this is fucking horrible. Yeah, so my
critique the one thing I think really holds it back
from being more that definitive slasher. That last showdown with
Billy and Jess is really underwhelming. Well, like, it's so fast.
(25:12):
I mean it's she runs down the stairs, gets grabbed,
she doesn't really even fight back at all. She just
gets out of the hold, hits that basement door latch, done,
and it's over. It is so fast, I think.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
I yeah, because I think that we as the audience
are supposed to then suspect that it's Peter.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Right, and he just shows up that that pacing all
at the end is so different well a little bit, yeah,
because you got you have the short chase with Billy
and then Peter shows up and then like just hard
cuts away and that's it. It's when you compare it
to something like Halloween and how long that showdown between
Michael and Laurie is, right, I mean, it's several locations,
(25:56):
several chases, it goes on for a long time. It
feels just I don't know, it was a little quick,
a little underwhelming. It'll be my one critique that takes
away from the climax a little bit.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Yeah, a little bit. The runtime of the whole movie
is ninety eight minutes. Honestly, felt a little shorter. It
kind of just flies by, Yeah, because that most good
movies do you blink and you're like, that's it.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
There's not more. Yeah, once you start, it just keeps going.
There's really there's only seven kills across ninety eight minutes.
I just watched a kill count. I believe it's that's
fourteen minutes per kill.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Kill every fourteen minutes.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Yeah, five girls, two men. There you go, shouts missus
Mack and her liquor stash. Hell yeah, what's the code?
But so why does she have a liquor.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Stash like that to deal with these college kids?
Speaker 1 (26:50):
But why why do you need to hide your liquor
in books and toilets. You're you're an adult. You can
go buy lick or and put it wherever the fuck
you want, in a cabinet. If you're some worry about
them stealing it, put it in a locked cabinet. I
don't get why it because that's like a super like,
Oh is she on rehab?
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Well, she probably shouldn't be having it because they shouldn't
be having it.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Why not? That's why you join sororities.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
She's supposed to be the responsible adult. I guess that's
why she's citing it. Maybe I'm a little crab.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
She had a real problem, because that's I mean, that's
a very alcoholic thing to do. You know, you're relapsing.
She's gonna hide hide in the toilet. Maybe that's all.
I also like the reef that I think Barb has, Yeah,
Barb does, with all the shooters on it. I think
I need that.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
I need that right now.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Black Christmas, I know, out ten you could argue ten
out of ten. It's a classic, still holds up fifty
years years later, and it's still might not even bib
Clark's best Christmas movie Christmas Story is the best Man.
That's it. That's Black Christma nineteen seventy four. Will be back.
We'll probably ultimately be like three days to talk about
(28:15):
Black Christmas two thousand and six. A lot more to
talk about there because it's duty. No, that's it. We'll
see you in the next episode. Bye Tone, Hide You
Rise from the movie screen.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
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Speaker 1 (00:39):
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did Wey? We did? We said we're your hosts?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Did we? Yeah? I was so excited about getting the
intro correctly, I thought we might skip the host part.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Did it? Oh?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
We did it a little late. Getting back to this episode,
I'm hoping because we're doing two episodes back to back
right now, that will be back on track so that
we still release our Black Christmas twenty nineteen review on
Christmas Day. You're welcome, But today, of course, we're starting
our three episode run here of Black Christmas Film, starting
(01:22):
with the original, because I think this one it's not
so much that it's I think it's more entertaining to
talk about bad movies. Yeah, you know what I mean.
I think people like when you dog on things. Yeah. Now,
I'm not saying we're gonna do that for the remake
and the other remake.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
We might do it for this one.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Well, that's what I was gonna say. Is I know
I won't do it to this one. Yeah, because Black
Christmas nineteen seventy four, produced and directed by Bob Clark,
written by Roy Moore Bob Clark, Is this Bob Clark's
best Christmas movie? Thoughts? Yes it is.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Yeah, you do like a Christmas story.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I I think my favorite christ movie ever is a
Christmas story. But now it's it's conflicting because I don't
I don't know. I'm not the kind of guy to
watch horror movies for Christmas movies. That makes sense. It's
not that I'm not saying this isn't a Christmas movie
because I it is. I suppose.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
I mean, this might be my favorite Chris movie because
I don't really like.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Yeah, humbug over there. Yeah, humbug. Yeah, you need to
be visited by some ghosts.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
M okay, cool, cool, I met.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Someone needs to show you that Christmas is great. You're Scrooge.
Muh hmm.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
But yeah, it's my favorite Christmas movie.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I guess it's definitely my favorite horror die Hard, But
whoa Diehard is not a Christmas movie? Start that debate.
I I I've locked into this same lately because everybody's
got to say Diehards a Christmas movie, and you're the
devil if you say otherwise. I think it is a
Christmas movie because the rules of what a christ movie
(03:10):
are so broad, and like, does it take place on Christmas?
Is there Christmas music? He stanted to you, that's it.
That's all it takes, Town, That's all it takes. Like, okay,
why were they in the tower? Right? Because then you
could you'd easily counter like if Christmas is not pivotal
of the plot, if that's the rule, then like Home
Alone's on a Christmas movie because he doesn't need to
(03:31):
be Christmas. No, it's just parents need to go on vacation,
that's it. It doesn't have to be Christmas for it
to work. But you know, die Hard is a Christmas movie, yes,
but it's not a good one. That's my new thing.
Now whoa yeah, whoa, whoa, whoa. It's a great action film,
it's not a good Christmas movie.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Now Live Free or Die Hard? Great, not a Chris
but it's one of the best action movies.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Not.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
No. One wouldn't say that. No, I love that movie though.
It's God yeah, because it Guy Justin Long, Tims, the Oliphant, Mary,
Elizabeth windestt Winstead. That's all you need, correct, And I
guess Bruce Willis is it too, Yeah, he's all right, yeah, yeah,
but yeah, that's that's my thing. So it's a it's
a Christmas movie by definition, but it's not a good one.
(04:25):
Would you probably say the same thing for Black Christmas?
Because it doesn't exactly make me want to go hang
out at Christmas parties? Does it?
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Kind kind?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah? All right, so Black Christmas. Think it's been a while. Well,
I watch the movie every year, but I find that
I don't. I'm not like dialed into it because somebody
will watch it with me. No one in my family
will watch it. It's too disturbing for them. Come on, I
I this time around. This is one of those movies.
It's just like the texting some Mascar, where every time you
(04:56):
watch it you discover something new and appreciate something more
about it. And like, this movie deserves every little bit
of praise it gets today and now so today because
we're doing this reviews back to back. I watched this
one and the two thousand and six remake together, and
even more so, I appreciate this movie so much more
(05:17):
now it is. I have one critique that I think
holds it back as a slasher film, even though it's
like the first true slasher arguably, and I'm going to
hold that critique. Make sure I say it though, make
sure we come back to my critique. There's one thing
that I think holds it back from being like a
definitive slasher like Halloween. But I don't want to go
(05:40):
through the whole movie. We don't do that here, won't
go beef for beef. But I do want to start
with the calls. That opening call is so good. It's
actually kind of crazy how far they went with that
call in nineteen seventy four.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah yeah, and actually the word kind yeah was was
banned in the UK.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah, honestly, the cunt part wasn't even that that bad. Well, yeah,
he gets thrown around so much in this generation. It's
like whatever. Yeah, but I thought even though the let
Me Lick It, Let Me Lick it was like it
was kind of hard to listen to. And then it's
like talking about his fat cock. I was like, this
is pretty crazy for nineteen seventy four to be that
(06:23):
blunt about things. And what is not a X rated
film or a grindhouse film. Yeah, yeah, it's a Christmas movie. Yeah,
it's a Christmas movie. And calling them a piggy, Yeah,
piggy stuck on my fat cock, piggy dan cunt cunt. Yeah.
(06:44):
It was. It's pretty intense. And then so that you
get that part of it to you get the very
guttural graphic part of the phone call. But as those
phone calls keep going throughout the movie, they have this
way even in today, where they hold up and they're
very disturbing. Yeah, and like, dude, that's Mancuso and it's
(07:04):
it's Bob Clark doing the acting for it, and they
were just like improving ye, just saying shit.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yeah, it was interesting this time around. It's been a
while since I've seen Black Christmas I forgot that we
really do just jump right into it. Yeah, I for
some reason, I was just like, did I did I miss?
And I skip back. I'm like, oh no, yeah, we
just jump right in. He's he's climbing in it.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
You kind of think about Halloween and establishing the killer
and having an opening scene or an escape scene, because
you just and we don't even know if that's what
happened with Billy, right, That's that's the thing about this
movie is you have no freaking clue, which is probably
a bad thing to some people. I like it, Yeah,
(07:50):
I like That's one of the reasons I love Halloween
so much. It's so simple, no motive. It just works.
I don't know, it just it feels real. And this
idea of Billy, who may or may not have used
to live in this house, may or may not even
be named Billy for the Sorority girls call him the
moaner because he's called in the past previously. In this
(08:11):
time around, Barb thanks Lois Laine, had to mess everything
up Margot Kidder, and I'm not sure if that is
why he decides to go off. I see like a
lot of theories about that, but yeah, Barb snap back
at him a little bit this time, and it's like, Okay,
I'm just gonna go ahead and kill people now. Yeah,
(08:31):
I don't know. Yeah, he just wanted to moan a
little bit. Yeah, piggy, Yeah, suck my fatcuck piggy.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
God, good times, good times. But that's the thing, because
people look at the remake now and the Bob Clarke
has said some stuff over the years, kind of giving
backstory to Billy that he killed his parents on Christmas
Eve in that house. Apparently he killed his parents and
then his sister Agnes he locked in the basement. She escaped.
She reported him to believes he got locked him in
(09:03):
a psych word escaped. That's how the movie happens. Now.
I don't like knowing that. I think it's a lot
more fun not knowing that.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Yeah, it's kind of like when JK. Rowling would just
be like, oh, by the way, this character was this
the entire time.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Yeah, Dumbledore is gay.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Everyone's gay, isn't Harry Potter now, which but like it
wasn't established in the books or the movie. It was
just like, oh, hey, by the way, Like, yeah, I
don't really like it changes nothing exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
It changes nothing.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
But whereas whereas in Black Christmas, it does, you know,
makes things scarier in some ways.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Scarier not knowing you're saying, or yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Scary not knowing and less scary knowing.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yeah, it's it's interesting because not knowing. The remake establishes
this weird backstory, and we'll get into that next week
or later this week while this release schedule goes. But yeah,
I think once you watched the remake, it unintentionally takes
away from this movie.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
It's too much spoilerler, it's too much lore.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Yeah, but you kind of start to take that backstory
to establish it like apply to this movie, right, And
I don't like that. Yeah, yeah, it for me, but Billy,
I think it's I also forgot. I didn't understand, like
I remember, obviously, we don't know anything about Billy. We
don't even know if his name is Billy or why
he's there. But I forgot how they just don't show
(10:32):
him like at all. But yeah, they show his eye,
they show some silhouettes. Yeah, it's just his eye twice,
that's it, in two different times than his silhouette. That's it.
That's his hand. Yeah, even at the at the end,
because I was trying to say, man, did they should
there reveal him here? And Nope, Nope, nope, they don't.
(10:53):
They nothing. They you just never see him, which is
so unique for a slasher film to never get that
reveal who is, especially because this is a who Done it?
I mean, it is categorized as a who Done it
and you don't get that reveal at all, don't even
to see this person doesn't exist. But I tell you
what though, if they did reveal his face, it would
(11:14):
it would totally take away from it, Yeah, because it
won it'd be like a Missus Vorhee situation where you're like, fuck,
is that guy right and not knowing I don't know,
because he could be anybody, and he could be anything.
I think there's kind of something about him that feels
not human. I don't know a little bit. It feels
like it feels realistic.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Well, yeah, you don't know who it is. It could happen.
It could be anybody. It could happen to anybody, It
could happen to you.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, of course, you know, based on that the iconic
urban legend the babysitter. It's right, the babysitter and the
man upstairs. Yeah, so like when a stranger calls to
the same thing. Halloween kind of plays with that a
little bit. It's been that urban legend has been used
a million times now, and yeah, this is one of
the first examples of it in the real world. So yeah,
(12:03):
I tell you. One thing that I thought was interesting
is the direct use of tracing the phone call in
the seventies. Yeah, kind of. It was weird to watch, like, oh, yeah,
you have to actually just manually go and figure out,
first of all, how do you even do that? How
do those work? You can just happen to any call
(12:23):
you want in theory, Yeah, those guys are I mean,
we need to talk to someone used to work there.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Well, I mean even you know, we're nineties kids, but
like even yeah, like hello, hello operator, Yeah I can't
hear her, Like the operator is listening to make sure
the call connects, right, like but then yeah, having the
ability to trace calls and forward them to the police station.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Yeah yeah, then they go in and like just straight
up put a tap in and a forward it over.
It's interesting And people think, now is where you know,
FBI's listening all the time?
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Yeah, I mean they are, but you know what they
always were Hey, yeah, AI is always listening.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
That's okay, gives you better cookies. Get those direct ads
on Instagram, Yeah, that's what we're looking for.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Yeah, at least at least they're showing me crap that
I kind of want. Yeah, not crap that I don't want.
It gets me all the time. What's the dumbest thing
ever bought off one of those ads? Well, to be honest,
I haven't had a lot of money in the last
twenty seven years of my life.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
I actually I just bought something off one of those
stupid ads, and I don't want to tell you what
it is because I'm gonna I think I'm gonna do
it on one of the streams. I'm gonna bring it
in horror product. It's not. Oh, it's not. But I've
gotten a lot of stuff from horror products popping up
on Facebook ads, Instagram ads.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Yeah, it's it ain't junk. I'll tell you that much.
If I'm buying it, it's not junk.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
I bought is junk. I'm gonna be honest, it's straight junk.
I showed it to my wife and she's like, why
the fuck did you buy that? I was like, it's
only thirty bucks, and it's gonna be funny. That's why
is it?
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Okay, it's not a horror themed does it? Christmas theme?
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Okay, I'm out. I guess this. So it'll be fun.
It'll be funky. We'll probably look at it and then
never look at it again. Okay. It'll be a one
time thing. It'll be a one time stream gag and
then'll be the end of it. It's a black Christmas,
so black Christmas scary. I think Jess is probably one
(14:36):
of the most underrated final girls ever.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
I think Kersey Cotton gets a lot of that doesn't
get the credit she deserves. But I don't know, I
feel nobody talks about Jess.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Yeah, she's goaded.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
There's also watching this time around was blasting the surround
sound and watching in four K on a really really
good surround sound. Barb's death really puts in perspective just
how special that scene is. That is it's so argento,
it's so Jollo, and to have it mixed with the
(15:16):
carrollers and that with that horse in the class unicorn
thing going on there just I don't know, man, that
kill is It's good. Now it's up there. Now for
my favorite kills in cinema.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Yeah, so I was rewatching now while I was sending
some emails doing some work. But yeah, that scene, that
scene got me to look look over to the screen
and oh shit, yeah that's right. Yeah, it's so good.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Yeah, it's mixed super well, and it actually makes sense
for the horse to be there, unlike the remake. That's
one of my beasts of that movie. I was like,
what the that's great. So how do you feel about
the end of itself? So you get the chase scene
(16:03):
that's pretty short, and she gets into the basement, just
gets into the basement, and we get Peter. Peter shows up,
which should be fair. He's pretty creepy, just his boyfriend.
Yea who this whole movie. He's been a suspect this
whole movie. A legitimate one too, He's not just a
red herring. Because there's times as an audience, I think,
especially your first time watching, you think it's him. Yeah,
(16:25):
you think it's him. And you know she Jess is pregnant.
She doesn't want to keep the baby. She's mari you
know where it is gonna affect her future. He wants
to keep the baby. Super mad that she doesn't want
to to the point where he just destroys the piano.
It's very serious for him, so that whole time it
(16:47):
seems like motive for him to be doing this. Yep.
At the end, he randomly shows up. She's locked in
this basement. I don't know why he checks the basement
door like that instead of the jammed upstairs front door.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Right, she had to get in somehow.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Yeah, I mean, he just doesn't even it's weird to me.
He breaks the window out, doesn't really give a ship
and then he goes he jumps through the window and
goes in there, and he finds just in this corner,
freaking out. She still thinks it's him. Yeah, and he
just keeps pushing forward. Yeah, he's he's he is creepy.
At that shot of him when he's like looks through
(17:22):
the window the first time he rubs off the window
his face, he's like, he's genuinely a creepy looking dude.
But yeah, then we cut away and the cop is
showing up and she killed him, and now she's like
in shock, hold his holding his dead body.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Yeah, in my lap, I remember reading a fun fact
that he was not His scenes were filmed separately than
everyone else's, Like, he barely even met any of the guests.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
So then he shows up and laying on laps. Yeah,
nice goals. So what was your question? What he? What
do you? What? Do you like that? Ending? You like
the Peter red Herring situation?
Speaker 3 (18:04):
I mean it's it's different. I mean if you if
you've never seen it before, I don't think you expect
where it goes. I think you expect them to struggle
rather than we kind of just cut to the police
showing up and she won. M I think you kind
of expect, if you haven't seen it, expect the police
to find her dead body and he's gone, and he's
(18:28):
he's billy.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Yeah, but but that just.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Confirms like, oh shit, there there is a billy.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Well, yeah, you go after that happens and Peter's dead,
she kills them with the fire poker. She for some reason,
they put her back in bed in the sorority house.
To me, that feels weird a little bit. Wouldn't you
get her out of there? Yeah? Wouldn't hear the hospital.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
But they did say the hospitals were overrun from all
these dead bodies, So wouldn't give her someone else to stay, right,
you say, the same house from the dead bodies he
just carried out.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Well, there's a copy, there's a there's a cop.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
He's standing up from to no. No, he's standing outside
his guard in the place. Uh so no one can
come in.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Yeah, but he's already there, he's inside the house. Yeah, yeah,
it's it was. They do a cheeky thing, so John Saxon,
which but Lieutenant Fuller, goat, goat, he's the perfect lieutenant. Yep.
He should do it again sometime, all right, right, I
hope I hope he does. I hope a couple of
(19:31):
years later. I hope we see that happen. Dude, you know,
give it like six years or actually it'll be ten
years eighty four. Yeah, ten years later, see him do
it again. Once a decade, I'd be down. It'd be great. Uh. Yeah,
he's got to go address the media. And then mister
Harrison goes into shock and they walt Claire's dad, yeah,
and takes him out of there.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
That was a little awkward, Yeah, a little force.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
He's just like, oh lord, yeah. Yeah. Then the room
clear years out. It's just her. She's vin sedated cop
shits out the lights. Yeah, she seems fine, but then
we pushed back into the attic. Bodies are still there
here in the rocking Yeah, Billy's still moaning, being the moaner,
and then the phone rings, and the phone just keeps
(20:15):
on ring.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
She's not going to answer that she's sedated, and then
he's still there.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
It's the perfectly up to a sequel that I can't
believe didn't happen. Right. It didn't really make a ton
of money. I mean did it Critically? It didn't even
do well when it first came out. Just like Halloween,
it didn't get the praise deserved until later. Halloween got
lucky it got it got a critic review that was like, oh,
this is actually incredible, everyone goes see it. But Black
Christmas didn't really get feed off that same energy. We
(20:42):
did make four million dollars worldwide on a six hundred
and eighty thousand dollars ish budget in nineteen seventy four. Yeah, so,
I mean it did make money, but I guess not
enough to justify making a sequel.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
I'm surprised they didn't just make another you know, B
movie sequel that is really on shoe string budget.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I'm really glad they didn't to be honestly looking back,
because the remakes are a good example of how horribly
can go wrong. Right it is, Yes, she loses technically
like it is, the killer is winning this battle here
the conclusion of the film. But I like that it's
super dark, super creepy.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Well then then yeah, then it's again it's open ended.
This could happen to you. Oh shit, they didn't catch them.
The chair is still fucking rocking up there.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yeah. Like Claire's death, by the way, is so iconic. Yeah,
just being just kicking. I love Zooms. Zooms need to
come back. And you know who else knew that was
James Wan, and James Wan was doing a good job
bringing Zooms back, like with the Conjuring, and now it's
it seems like it's kind of going away a little
bit again, ari Astor I know, like Zooms. I there
(21:54):
is something so eerie about a cinema zoom where you
just not pushing, but you zoom in. It feels different
because your perspective is changing, and I just think it's
way more eerie. And when that happens with Claire in
the closet, where it just zooms past Claire and you
through the plastic wrap there. I just think that's creepy
(22:14):
at shit. I don't know they need to do more
of that, but her body, that image of her with
the plastic and stood in the rocking chair is super
iconic and creepy at shit. Yeah. Still every poster you see,
like the main poster everywhere. They just did brand new
artwork this year actually for the fiftieth anniversary. Yeah, fiftieth anniversary,
(22:35):
brand new artwork for it. And it's it's Claire. Yep,
it's great, Claire Claire. Yeah. I don't know, I just
it's it holds up man, it's creepy. It's I like
how simple the kills are. Originally Bob wanted more graphic kills,
but then they stepped away from it, said if you
(22:57):
leave it open ended, you know, let the at your
audience fill in the blanks, it can be scarier, which
Halloween did the same thing. It obviously works. Yep, it's
a good film. Yeah, it's a great film. What would
you rate it? Hi, man like nine? Probably?
Speaker 3 (23:14):
I believe on letterbox I gave it four and a
half out of.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Five, so nine nine nine. Yeah, it's it's great and
it's not. I don't think it's the definitive slasher, but
it deserves all the credit in the world for truly
kicking off the genre because you could from the opening
shot of the film with the POV from Billy, it's like, hey, Halloween,
there you go exactly. It's yeah, it's got so much
(23:40):
that And of course the callegs are coming from inside
the house when a stranger calls ran with that idea
and just took it out of the Christmas setting.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
I asked my brother, because I had said that we
were going to film this for your I asked my brother.
I'm like, you know, the the calls are coming from
the size. He's like, yeah, I've heard of that. I'm like,
you know what it's from. He's like, no, my Black Christmas.
And even my parents were like, oh yeah, oh yeah,
you know we watched that, you know, a long time ago.
We watched that. But yeah, we've calls it come from
(24:09):
inside the house. That's Black Christmas. Huh Yeah, Like yeah,
I will say I haven't seen the original Black Christmas
in a long time before I rewatched it. I think
this was what I needed. It's going to be on
my yearly watch.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
List, Yeah, I say, saying it's just so good. Yeah,
and I have officially cut off the two thousand and
six to one from my watch. Come on, I'm telling
you say that when we when you hear our review
for it next week or whatever, whenever that comes out.
It can be come just a few days from now.
Just no, I'm going to be really mean because I
(24:45):
am so disappointed. I just I remember liking the movie
and just watching it again, especially right after I watched this,
when I'm like, this is fucking horrible. Yeah, so my
critique the one thing I think really holds it back
from being more that definitive slasher. That last showdown with
Billy and Jess is really underwhelming. Well, like, it's so fast.
(25:12):
I mean it's she runs down the stairs, gets grabbed,
she doesn't really even fight back at all. She just
gets out of the hold, hits that basement door latch, done,
and it's over. It is so fast, I think.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
I yeah, because I think that we as the audience
are supposed to then suspect that it's Peter.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Right, and he just shows up that that pacing all
at the end is so different well a little bit, yeah,
because you got you have the short chase with Billy
and then Peter shows up and then like just hard
cuts away and that's it. It's when you compare it
to something like Halloween and how long that showdown between
Michael and Laurie is, right, I mean, it's several locations,
(25:56):
several chases, it goes on for a long time. It
feels just I don't know, it was a little quick,
a little underwhelming. It'll be my one critique that takes
away from the climax a little bit.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Yeah, a little bit. The runtime of the whole movie
is ninety eight minutes. Honestly, felt a little shorter. It
kind of just flies by, Yeah, because that most good
movies do you blink and you're like, that's it.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
There's not more. Yeah, once you start, it just keeps going.
There's really there's only seven kills across ninety eight minutes.
I just watched a kill count. I believe it's that's
fourteen minutes per kill.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Kill every fourteen minutes.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Yeah, five girls, two men. There you go, shouts missus
Mack and her liquor stash. Hell yeah, what's the code?
But so why does she have a liquor.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Stash like that to deal with these college kids?
Speaker 1 (26:50):
But why why do you need to hide your liquor
in books and toilets. You're you're an adult. You can
go buy lick or and put it wherever the fuck
you want, in a cabinet. If you're some worry about
them stealing it, put it in a locked cabinet. I
don't get why it because that's like a super like,
Oh is she on rehab?
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Well, she probably shouldn't be having it because they shouldn't
be having it.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Why not? That's why you join sororities.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
She's supposed to be the responsible adult. I guess that's
why she's citing it. Maybe I'm a little crab.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
She had a real problem, because that's I mean, that's
a very alcoholic thing to do. You know, you're relapsing.
She's gonna hide hide in the toilet. Maybe that's all.
I also like the reef that I think Barb has, Yeah,
Barb does, with all the shooters on it. I think
I need that.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
I need that right now.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Black Christmas, I know, out ten you could argue ten
out of ten. It's a classic, still holds up fifty
years years later, and it's still might not even bib
Clark's best Christmas movie Christmas Story is the best Man.
That's it. That's Black Christma nineteen seventy four. Will be back.
We'll probably ultimately be like three days to talk about
(28:15):
Black Christmas two thousand and six. A lot more to
talk about there because it's duty. No, that's it. We'll
see you in the next episode. Bye Tone, Hide You
Rise from the movie screen.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Tondajeries from the horror screen Hall of Fame for Villains.
Watch them take about this Slusher has no doubt. Bell
go all out to make every death count
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