December 20, 2024 • 47 mins
On this episode of Make Every Death Count, Nic and Riley continue their Christmas horror celebration by reviewing the 2006 remake of Black Christmas!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:48):
My name is Row, my name is Nick, And.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Here we are again with Black Christmas, this time the
two thousand and six remake Black x Mess. Black x
Mess use a lot in marketing so they can push
the fact that they it was going to be a
mean gross film. Yeah, X rated, but it's rated R. Yeah,
(01:10):
but that was what they were going for, Black Xmas,
not Black Christmas.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
It's a different movie.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
When's the first time you saw this movie?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
I mean I probably two thousand and nineteen, twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
And you didn't like it then?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
No, not really. I Sasman.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
When it came out, I was ten years old, and
at the time I thought it was all right. It
fell into the same type of category as prom Night
and when a stranger calls that remake Friday thirteenth, you know,
my buddy Valentine three D, that's our shit.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, it's our shit.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
So going back this time around, I thought for sure
I was gonna enjoy it even more because I still
can go back and watch any of those movies I
just listed have a great time. I can't believe how
awful this movie is.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
So yeah, I actually have the opposite. I liked it
more than I remembered. I mean, it's still not a
great film by any means.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I don't know what it was. It was like actually
making me mad. I don't know if it's because I
watched it. I watched the original, and I watched the
remake immediately after.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I watched the original yesterday and that one in this
one today.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah, I don't know if it was because of coming
off the original and I'm like, wow, this is not
even close.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Or maybe I was just in a good mood. I
don't know, but I liked it more than I did last.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
I also there was something in the back of my
head the whole time. I saw a Twitter feed the
other day that said, you know, am I crazy but
this is a hot take, but I think the remake
of Black Christmas is better than the original, and the
replies to it a lot were agreeing.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Those people need to stop. It's not better than your.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah, it's not even it's not even close. Yeah, it's
not even close. No, yeah, I don't know. But that now,
I was like, man, I don't think that. I knew
that they were wrong, you know when they said that, like,
obviously the original is better, I do that. Yeah, I
was like, oh, maybe the remake is better than I remember,
(03:28):
because again I didn't. I didn't mind it. Okay, I've
probably have been seen in probably ten years. It's been
a while, like to actually sit and watch it, pay attention,
not look away, not look at my phone, you know,
to actually sit in folks the whole time. It's probably
been like ten years. So I had that thread in
my mind, and now that I've just watched it again,
(03:48):
I'm like, you are fucking delusional. You are delusional. Of course,
if that's your opinion, it's your opinions whatever. But I
just oh man, I thought it was horrible. I think
this truly of that that decade of remakes from two
thousand and twenty ten. I think this is the worst one.
I think it's by a landslide. This is dis well,
(04:12):
you could it's just as bad as as Halloween's up
there too, for the same reason that it is like
disrespectful to the original, Like it is so shitty.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I could see that. I could. I could. I can
get behind what you're saying there. I can understand where
you're coming from if you feel if you feel that
you need an apology, I'm sorry that you never mind.
Uh Yeah, It's definitely not a good movie by any means. Yeah,
(04:44):
but I enjoyed it the thing.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
You know why, So Halloween gets a little bit of
a pass because it shouldn't. In my opinion, I don't
think it should get a pass. I think it's also
do dooo. But Halloween one gets a pass because, yes,
it is re making John Carpenter's image. But it was
very intentionally going a different direction, and it knew what
(05:07):
it was kind of doing. And I think Bob, Sir
Zombie was really put on a leash with how far
you could go with it. It's like, you can be different,
but let's recreate this scene. Let's make sure we get
it in there. Make sure we get the head tilted,
make sure we get this should we get the sheet
in there. And I think that just kind of they
put him on a creative leash and that made it
tough for him. This the rink at Black Christmas isn't
(05:31):
doing anything different. The only thing it does is add lore.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
It adds lore and that mid two thousands.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Gore. Yeah, and the man sex and but that's.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
That's the thing. Dude.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Like Roy Moore, he's literally like on interviews has said
they they intentionally Bob Clark, like they went and intentionally
wrote sex and nudity out the original Black Christmas because
they wanted those characters to have depth to them. They
wanted people to watch it and be like, those are
real humans, Those are real sorority girls. They're not just
(06:09):
random slutty characters, bitchy characters that we threw in there
to be a stereotypical slasher film. Nope, fuck that. In
the remake, these are gonna be soulless assholes.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Yeah, it's kind of like they said, Hey, everything that
they crossed off the list. Let's let's uncross it off.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Let's do yeah for real, Like, Hey, we're not gonna
We're not gonna be gory at all. We're not gonna
be goryed on. In the original film, We're gonna let
the audience interpret it and you fill in the blanks.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
In the remake, we're gonna show you eyeballs over and
over and over again. Why why are the eyeballs there?
What is the There's a theme there. There has to
be something in Glenn Morgan written, directed by Glen Morgan,
by the way, there has to be something Glen Morgan's
had where it's like, what do those eyes represent? Seeing
the soul, seeing hidden.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Beauty, seeing the inside of someone, the throat and stuff.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
The eyes are the window to the soul? Is that
what it is?
Speaker 2 (07:11):
These are the eyes of a psychopath? So okay.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
And the thing is the reason it makes me even
a little bit more mad is because every single person
in this movie I like. I like Melissa the Trocktenberg
fan of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Mary Laith Whitesaid is
like one of my first crushes ever. I love her
to death. She's She's shit in this movie character.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I'm not that bad. She just her character just is gone.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah, she's also kind of a bitch a little bit.
If you were in the scenario where your sisters were missing,
because I want to know if I'm a bad person
or not or a good person.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Who knows.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
If you're in a scenario where your sisters are missing
and you have the option to leave, get in the
car and go, or stay, lock the doors and wait
for your sisters to come back, what do you do
Do I hate them.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Your sisters hate them or not?
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Your family, sorority is your family.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
See, I was not in a fraternity or sorority, so
I didn't get that bond there.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I still don't know if i'd leaves.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
It's tough. I understand. They were really getting on her nerves. Yeah.
They were all drinking, having a good time, some more
drunk than others. Yeah Lauren.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Yeah, by the way, I didn't realize Lauren was super drunk,
and all of a sudden, she just throws up, you know,
she was drunk. She just projectile vomits out of nowhere.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Well, she was getting there. She was kind of slumped
and then yeah, I tell you, I.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Couldn't run into the bathroom or something. She hates those
friends like that, there's puke right in the middle of
the floor. Yeah, unbelievable, unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
That happened once.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Okay, if you're a car, so that's but I wasn't
even drinking. That was literally I was sick the next day. Yeah,
we hate Taco Bell go. Shouldn't happen.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
I missed that. I want it right now. I want
to talk about right now.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Sponsor.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Sponsor.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah, I feel like it's kind of kind of shitty
of her to leave.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
At that. I mean, her desk sucks too. Yeah, maybe
if there was a little more like she hates.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
The holidays mhm, because because.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah, it was just kind of like, all right, I'm
annoyed of you. I'm going home. I'm annoyed of the scenario.
If it was more something like they kept pushing her
and she hates the holidays and hate the holiday, and
finally she's like, I'm just getting the fuck out of
here because one I hate the holidays and two now
shit's going down. Yeah, I would understand that a little
bit more.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I guess when the movie first started and they kind
of gave you a little bit more, well, I don't.
I hate the opening scene too, But when at first
they show that all the characters, they kind of were
giving a little bit more backstory than I thought the
original did, and I was like, oh, cool, we're getting
to know these characters, and I was kind of into that,
(10:09):
and then it just immediately went to soulless, shitty characters.
I mean, every single one of them sucks, which is
crazy because I like Katie Cassie big Supernatural fan. I
even like them that have an Elmtree remake. I don't
even know yan K Crystal Low found Station three. Yeah,
I mean Andrew Martin from the original getting her back
(10:30):
in there. I mean I'll hate her. I think she's fine. Yeah,
Miss mac shines again. Yeah, and that's it. I mean,
Lacey is shub Air. I don't know a sa her name,
but she's in every Hall Ofmark Christmas movie in the
last twenty years. Like not exaggerating, she's in all. She's
literally in Hot Frosty this year. It just came out.
It's like one of the number It's in the top
(10:52):
ten movies right now in Netflix. She's in it. It
looks like shit, to be fair, But so to most
of those those Christmas Allmark movies. Yeah, so, I don't know.
It just feels like this cast could do something cool
and they don't.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
As all. Maybe we should have focused on expanding their
lore instead of expanding Billies.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Well yeah, in the opening scene with Claire, I get
what they're trying to do because they show her, they
show the closet, they show the plastic bags there. They're like, ooh,
you know it's coming, and then they just throw a
curveball and it's her getting the bag over her head separately,
and then it's hard cut to that red title car thing.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
I just.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
If you're I don't know, if you're gonna just kind
of spin something on its head a little bit and
try to fool the audience.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
I just didn't like it. I just didn't like it.
I don't know, I'm being an asshole on that one,
all right, but but I just didn't I didn't feel
it did. It did not have the impact. It felt
like you were watching a very typical twenty fifteen, ten
thousand dollars budget YouTube short film in that opening exactly
so kind of hurt me a little bit. But then
(12:14):
after all that, the part with this movie really just sucks.
Is that They were like, we're going all in. We
are going to show Billy, which again, Billy's never seen
in the the original, not fully. You see his eyeball,
his hand, that's it, right, a silhouette. And this one
we're like, hey, he's got a liver disease. He's gonna
(12:37):
have yellow skin the whole time and creepy eyes, like
bloodshot eyes the whole time, and we're gonna establish this
ridiculous backstory.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah, they went, they went a little too far. I'm
I was all for it at the beginning. I was
all for it for Okay, you know, he's he's different,
he has this liver disease that gives him yellow skin,
but his mom is a piece of shit and she
hates him because of this liver disease. Like okay, chill, oh, okay.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
You know what would be a better kid than liver disease?
And inbread one, well we'll get there, all right.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah. Yeah, and then having the dad that cares. I'm like, oh,
I'm into this. I'm into this. And then once uh,
you know, she kills her husband who she's cheating on, Yeah,
with a dumb ass drunk who helps.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Her kill the husband, right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
I At first I was watching, I was like, oh wait,
I see another foot there. I'm like, yeah, oh yeah,
that's right. He helped he was there. Yeah, but yeah,
then they are burying him up or down below the house.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah, in the under the deck where that power fuse
boxes down there.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Again, I'm on board still at this point, I was
already out, but I hear you, I'm on board. I'm
on board. And then they hear Billy creeping through the walls.
He climbs up the wall, goes in the attic. They
lock her up there. I'm in everything after that, not
not for well, So.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
I said to you before we recorded this, I was like,
I felt like watching those flashbacks every time. It was
like we were watching a scene out of The Grinch?
Is it?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
They went so.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Over the top with it, Like yeah, though, I hate
the fucking lighting in this movie.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
I hate it.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
I think it's awful, the flashing red and green lights
the whole movie. They did it in every fucking scene.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
They did it.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yeah, every scene there was just flashing green, flashing red,
flashing green, over and over again. It was driving me nuts, Like,
I got it, it's Christmas I'm not forgetting. So that
was super atadic right out of the Grinch. Then his
mom's hair was always like spiked, like she's a fucking who.
Like she she looked like she was a who the
whole time with her hair all weird and pooped up.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
She's a hussy, I did, She's a hussy.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
It was killing me, So I just di. I hated
the way it looked, I hated the way it felt,
so just the flashbacks in general, the way they were shot.
I didn't like then. I so they they established that
they hate each other, the mom and dad hate each other,
but the dad live loves Billy still mom doesn't. And
(15:33):
I was cool with that. I was like, all right,
parents will stick out a birth like that, sure. But
then then kind of like skip ahead ten years and
Billy's grown up a little bit and they're still doing
the same circus here where it's hey, oh i'm gonna
I'm gonna give stuff to Billy and you're not gonna
mad about the whole time, like you've been doing that
for ten years, You're keeping that going. It's weird to
(15:53):
me that they still have a relationship at all at
that point. So that didn't even make sense to me.
And then yeah, then you got the affair and and
the killing that Billy sees. And it's when I watched
the kill count on this movie, and I thought James
said it pointing something to help that was very accurate.
Like this whole movie is just crawl spaces and eyeballs. Yeah,
and I was like, oh, yeah, there are so many
(16:14):
crawl spaces. They just love those tight spaces like that.
And yeah, Billy climbs up that to get to the attic,
which then he gets locked in there. And that's where
I was confused by that immediately, because like, you locked
the hatch, but he crawled up there. What about the
giant holes in the wall? He can just get right
back down he didn't want to it, which literally happened
(16:36):
at the end of the movie, by the way, right,
they go right back down in that crawl space.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
I was I was confused by that.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
But then after all that crap, after all the bullshit
of those flashbacks, they are like, hey, you know what
would be even better if the mom raped twelve year
old Billy sick, which I get they're trying to just
completely go all in and be graphic because the original
does that in a moral the fucking way.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
And it's it's it's that mid two thousand's shock.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Just that's what they were going for, and they hit it.
I it was bad. It's kind of like the unrated
cut of Halloween where they they rape the uh, the patient,
where it's the two security guards with the patient. Yeah,
and it's just you're like, this is completely unnecessary. Why
is this here? You do not need this to make
(17:29):
this point. I understand you want to hate that person
so that Michael can kill him. We're all happy about it,
but it is it is completely unnecessary and stupid.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
We already do hatter, we already do hate her, and
in this.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Case, Yeah, and I understand that it then creates Agnes,
who is a killer in this movie, not just a
potential character name in the original. But oh my god,
I was what are we doing here?
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Definitely unnecessary.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Ten year old me didn't put all this together, Okay,
And now that I am, I hate it.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yeah, it just it was not it was not necessary.
It wasn't necessary. Yeah, just have her have another son
with her boyfriend. Yeah, that's all you needed to do. Yeah,
and even it could have then just been Billy killing
the dad, that stepdad, and it didn't it didn't matter.
I mean, they made the point like Billy reminded her
(18:32):
of her husband, and she hated that. So why is
she she's really that desperate to have a kid that.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Yeah, so here's an idea, take his direct genetics and
use his sperm.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Just don't just don't write that in the movie.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
The plot doesn't make sense. No, I hate that you
remind me of your father, So I want your sperm
to make a kid.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
But she hated that, and she hated that.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I thought she was infertile, and that was like the
problem he was.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Apparently he was.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Every time you've had sex, he passes out. You couldn't
get him to blow his load one time. I mean
maybe he's you know, his sperm countlow.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
I'm just saying, okay, insubordinate and turlish. How about you
just right, I don't like it.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Just just write it where you do have a kid
with him. How about that? We still hate you? We
still hate Oh.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah, plenty, dude, plenty. He just looking at her in
this movie. She's she's a tough man. She's a hat
heable character. So yeah, I don't it. Wow, Okay, And
again just to remind her of what the original story
that Bob Clark confirmed in a Black Christmas documentary. All
it was Agnes was Billy's little sister. He killed his
(19:48):
parents on Christmas Eve, locked up his little sister in
the basement. She escaped, told the cops Billy gets put
into a psyche cord. That was it. There was no inbred,
no having said X with your kids, your twelve year
old fucking kid.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Unbelievable. Unbelievable dude. Then they cut.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
She like drops her her gown, you know, in front
of him, and then the shar's rocking. I'm like, what
are you doing?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Oh my god. I just I'm all for shock value.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
I'm into that kind of stuff, not like gore shock value,
but like crossing lines to get your audience attention and
having villains win that kind of thing. I'm into that.
I'm into taking chances. But just the whole way that
it was shot and ridden, I just I couldn't buy
it and I was struggling, man, No, that's all.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Yeah. So yeah, and then also that's.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Not why I hate this whole movie though, but that
is that really like locked me into a bad place.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Yeah. Then we cut to what ten years later? Then
in the future. Now we're in ninety one, right, I
think we're ninety one, and his pajamas grew with him,
grew with Billy. They fit well, they fit, they fit,
They're not super small. I feel like it would have
been I would have loved this movie ten out of
ten if his fucking shirt was the fucking crop top,
(21:06):
because he didn't. Never got noo pajamas.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Oh yeah, so he does end up killing h He
kills the step dad with the what is it? What
does he kill him with? He gets him through the
eye with whatever that thing is gets him through the eye.
Of course we get the goes through the eye ahead
and you see the eyeball. Yeah, get eyeballs. Eyeballs in
(21:31):
this movie. H what's he doing to mommy? Why don't
I forget what he does in Mommy?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Well, he finishes her off with a rolling pin, that's right.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
He's chokes her with the getting drags her body into
the kitchen, and then beats her with the rolling pin.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah, and then he well they catch him, he rips
Agnes's eyeball out.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Yes, that was after they were yeah. Yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah, that is a crazy cup. By the way, when
she drops the gown, the chairs rocking, we all put
together the fact that you know she she raped her son,
but then okay, not get into the details here, but
then it just hard cuts to a baby.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Being born nine months later.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I'm like, oh, wow, this is crazy. But yeah, that
skip ahead again.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yeah, Agnes is older.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Billy kills his parents and locks Agnus in the attic, right,
that's it. Yeah, which brings me to my next point
that I hate.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Well, actually no, we did we see where he put Agnes,
I don't think, But then we just cut to him
eating the skin. The skin. I like that. See that's
the kind of shock value I can get behind. Yeah,
I'll take I'll take that lore, I'll take that any
day of the week. Yeah. Uh that.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
That's one of the big twists on this story is Agnes,
who is just a name in the original, is now
a character who is also a killer in teaming up
with Billy to kill the sorority girls, which Agnes has
been there the whole time, the whole time, which I
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have problems with that from the get go, because who
how did Agnes live? Like, why is Agnes alive? How
was Agnes eating How did Agnes get a fake eye.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
From the dolls? From one of the dolls, I guess.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
She stuffed it in the fucking hole. Yeah, and she.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Just never yeah, because remember they're like look and its
two little eyes. Did she ever get medical assistance with that? I? Oh,
probably not liked did end like she she went under.
She went in the basement, lived in the fucking basement
the whole time, the whole time. I guess maybe she
was also in the attic. She was, she was also
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in the attic. She was able to climb all the
way down and up.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
I just it's none of it makes sense to me. No,
it's it's such a tremendous stretch.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
But it must have been just eating fucking raccoons or something.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Again, dude, Black Christmas was every any day everywhere America.
It was like real, like it could happen, which is
the point of the urban legend.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
It was scaring babysitters that when you go babysitting, man,
you never know who might be in the house, right
like that. That was all there was, the urban legend,
and then this yay, so they just try to do
all this fun little twist on the story and it sucks,
but just to make things worse in case you forgot
about the whole Uh, who is the father of Agnes?
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I love the line my daddy's home wasn't that great?
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Let it put that in there. Yeah, I'm glad she
found out. Uh huh, how did she find out?
Speaker 1 (25:08):
There's going to these points? And then okay, let's just
take a step back here, going back to the lore
of Billy. So he's been in a psych ward the
criminally insane part of this psych word, and he's been
there forever. Every year he tries to break out. They
established that with the security guard designated to his door.
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Every year he tries to break out on Christmas and
get home. Okay, then he gives the security guard a gift,
which they established the door being held up by the
milk carton with the Santa And I didn't really get
that because it seemed like they closed it later.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
It wasn't him, it was earlier, right, So why why
did did he go through that door? Still?
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Do they never remove that milk carton that whole time?
I guess several questions where it was literally just for
that suspenseful moment because it might be Billy that's coming
up in the Santa suit.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I don't know, uh, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Then he gives the security guard of gift says, I'll
be home for Christmas, and he looks back in doesn't
see him. The sinks ripped off the wall.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Why do they let him decorate like that? Right?
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Is it just to keep him calms? They always let
you do it? And then would you give a criminally
insane patient a candy game? Because to me, it seems
pretty obvious that you could sharpen it to a point.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Does it not? Well? But also how you're really gonna
use it as a weapon? You can how much damage
is it really gonna do? Give me?
Speaker 1 (26:40):
I'll show you it's Yeah, you can absolutely sharpen it
to a point like that. That's if you're gonna give
me a candy gann you gotta give it a noodle. Circles.
The circles are.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Gonna bring just peppermint, a little mint.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Yeah, just tape it up, Just tape it into a hook.
You know, I'm down because otherwise situations like this happen.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
This is I guess.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
I guess it makes sense that he would have gone
into the room to check the hole. But I just don't.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
It makes me mad.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
I feel like, I mean, obviously it's a movie. I
feel like in a real scenario, they would look through
the hole and you're the only one there. Well, you're
the only one in that hallway. You look through the hole,
you see that there's a hole where the sink was
that he could have climbed through. You. You call for
fucking it, back up, shut down, lockdown. You don't go
in there.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
You might go in there after the call, but right, yeah,
and I wouldn't. I was thinking, you're because we were
all thinking the same thing. When you want in there,
he's under the bed, yeah, and all of us are
the same thing. So obviously, whatever, I'm being nitpicky because
I'm mad, that's all.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
That's just the anger coming out.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
All right, I'm being an asshole, but it's just because
it's how mad this movie made me insubordinate. Let's talk
about this some of the kills. Let's talk about some
of the kills. This movie does score a little bit
with kills here and there. Stepdaddy's death pretty good, uh
AS's eye being ripped out pretty good? Yeah I didn't
(28:12):
I thought Claire's death sucked, But insubordinate, But then we
have kills like Heather's, Mary Lily's with Winstead's death where
they go out.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
To the car. She's scraping off.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Miss mack is scraping off the window, sees Billy's eye,
which whatever, he's everywhere, that man's everywhere, sees his eye
and then blood sprays on the windshields. We never actually
see Maryly's with wind Set's death. But then Miss mac
runs off to the side, it goes in the garage
and an icicle falls on her and kills her.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yeah, fucking lame, lame.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
I don't accidental kills are pretty common in slasher film
stuff like that, but really like an icicle falling off
and she looks up and espec kind of it was
a legacy character too. I just thought she desarve better.
Well lega see cast member and character kind of but
different people, right.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Uh yeah, I just I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
I thought that was I thought that was dumb.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
They do gore, but it's all the same, it's all this.
It's eyeballs every time. Even with Lauren. Yeah, you don't
see what happens to her really, although that was another
scene with Agnes in bed with her and groping her
goes on a little long.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Yep. I was like yep, yeah, yep. I again, I
was all for it to a point and then I'm like, okay,
let's move this. Okay, let's move.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
This for it's kind of this is that kind of
shit is what Terrifier is doing right now. It's just
and I get people love terrifying. I'm not trying to
be if you if that's your thing, that's your fetish,
that's your fetish, all right, that's what you're gonna do
with horror.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
There's a scene Terrifier three where it's a pretty cool
kill scalping kill happening, and in the the background the
whole time, there's so many masturbating with scissors and it
just goes on a little too long. I've not I've
not seen it. It was like the bedroom scene and
(30:11):
Terrified too, Like it's cool, we're doing things that are
really graphic and it's brought it's being taken horror, bringing
to a mainstream It's not just taking horror, but it's
taking slasher and brutal killings and bringing it to mainstream media,
and it's making us look a little less weird, I
guess as a or more weird.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I guess more people might be judging the genre. I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
It's like, that's not all the horror movies, Okay, we
have we have psychological thrillers too. Uh but yeah, it's
part of it's cool. But I'm also like it's just
a little too It's just a little unnecessary.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
So dark.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
It's like you don't you are Damian Leoni's making a point.
He doesn't need to keep I don't know, keep making it.
We got it. The point was made. It's brutal. Uh,
that's kind of I thought about that, that groping scene.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
It's like we got yeah, we get it. Okay, we're
still going we get we got it.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yeah, we got it. It took her a long time
to react as well.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Well then even she then she finally like woke up
and was like oh oh oh, I'm like, well, yeah,
we get it.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
This is this is another thing I was thinking too,
because I think she has a justified reaction.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Well yeah, eventually, yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
I think she has a justified reaction. But also you
would think, did she like assume who that is?
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Like you?
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Because sorority houses and the fucking things that happened in
these places. You would think that would be like a
drunk boyfriend or something who is getting out of line, right,
I just she just she went for the kill pretty quick,
which again probably justified reaction.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
I'm she's still drunk, so maybe she thought it was
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
She she just didn't even look. She didn't bother to
see who it was. She just went for the kill.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
It's like, damn, must have just took the moaning and like,
m that's the bitch on the phone. You know.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
It's pretty pretty intense reaction there, but fair enough justified.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah, it just took a long time for her one
to wake up and two two do something about it.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Yeah, I guess she's just drunk. I guess still.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Yeah that from a filmmakerspective that you know, they just
went a little time. If we could asshorten that scene
up a little bit, you didn't need that extra forty
seconds a run time. There, we got it, We got it.
Where was I going with that?
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Of course her eyes are taken out, yep, yep, so
both of them. I don't I guess the I the
reason Agnes will remove eyes is because she lost an eye,
she needs a new one. I don't understand why Billy
does it because Billy's also is constantly hitting the eyes.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Maybe that's his his fetish. I don't.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
I also want to talk about is it Eve? Is
that her name?
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Eva, Eve, Eve agnew, Eve agnew great character. This was
one of those and another one of those things where
I'm like, you get the fuck away from the pen Bob,
if you get that, if you get that joke. It
was funny, but yeah, like get away, Like why it
(33:35):
is so lazy? Yep, it is so lazy. So Eve
is a random sorority girl who's meant to kind of
like be She's the weird she's.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
The weird one.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
She's the sissy spasic of the group. Like that's what
we're going with, sure, because it's so weird for her
to give a gift to a sorority girl. We don't get,
we don't get anything that's weird from her except she
stands there with glasses on a hands to someone in present.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
He Hey, girls, yeah, you guys are like my family,
and they're all like yeah, they're all super weird about it,
which I don't know. Yeah, Like she's the she's the
weird one. Yeah, she's the one that no one likes,
but she's there. Yeah, and she gives a gift to Heather.
Merlysus Win said, gives her a gift ends up being
(34:21):
the freaking glass unicorn, and immediately is like, oh okay,
so that's how we get a glass unicorn.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Got a cool genius. So I hated that. But then
they establish even this way intentionally editing in line with Agnes.
So they cut from Agnes to Eve, hinting that that
might be the same person. But then two scenes later
her head falls out of a car and that's it, Like,
(34:52):
what a waste if you're gonna do it, then continue
to make us think the whole movie, just like Peter
in the original, make us think the whole movie that
might be Agnes exactly.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yeah again it's been a while since I've seen it.
I'm like, oh shit, yeah, yeah, she's at Nope.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
And then they also give Eve this weird like they
try to do more with it where they say, uh,
Heather goes and it was like looking in her room
and stuff, and Eve has some sort of obsession.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Well it's it's Billy's room.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Yeah, and she used newspaper.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
So it was the newspaper from ninety one. Yeah, when
Billy was arrested in her room. So was she obsessed
or was it Agnes putting the newspaper in the wall hole?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Well, we know that it's just weird that I guess.
So she's happened to find newspaper in her room. I
think that's it. I think that's what. Yeah, because the
same newspaper was used to wrap the doll that Billy
put out the tree to the sorority girls. Yeah, it's
still Dumby of the way. Just what an absolutely stupid
(36:06):
character and lazy writing.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Then there's Lee, who is the sister to uh not Lauren,
but Claire. Claire's sister shows up just she's replacing mister
Harrison in this movie. She's showing up because Claire never
showed her for Christmas twelve years older. Sister, got it.
(36:29):
She ends up somehow be coming into the main character.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
I got.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
I guess, like mister Harrison making to the end there.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Well, and she was she was a legacy for the sorority.
She was in the sorority. She hated the house.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Yeah, but she's only there for a year and she
dropped out.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
She came late, left early.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Yeah, she but but she.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Has a connection. She's there to be like I was
in this house once. It was creepy. Yeah, like it's
always been creepy.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Okay, yeah, but ends up coming down her and Katie,
Cassidy and Kelly, and I hated her death to a
Haley's death, like you go that whole movie with her.
She's kind of established one of the final girls. That's cool. Actually,
just hate the ending and oh my god, this movie sucks.
(37:17):
It's honestly awful. I'm like, I'm really sorry. This feels
like wrapped in red. I'm so mad at this. I
just I just don't like this movie at all. Where
do I even start with that?
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Well, so the ending was I was reading on you know,
IMDb and Wikipedia and such, and I guess that it
was originally written or it was the ending was supposed
to be. Yeah, the ending was originally written where it
(37:53):
was just yeah, just silent, like sort of like the
original where it's open ended stuff like that. But the
Winstein's they wanted more, so we got that whole hospital scene.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
It sucks. The hospital scene sucks.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
I don't remember if they made it to the hospital
and then just like the phone rang at the hospital,
or if it was just in the sorority house where
the phone is ringing and leaving leaving it open ended again.
I think that's what it was originally written, but Bob
and Harvey Weinstein said, nope, we want more, We need.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
More, so trash ooo yeah, because you did end. They
drop into the walls. They end up getting knocking them
down there, both Agnes and Billy, and they have the
tree that's on fire and they start on fire and
it looks like they burn up and see you later.
(38:52):
But then you're like, Okay, movie's over. And then they
cut to the hospital and oh, here we go.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
So they they make it. They both go in the
morgue because they're dead.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
The corners are also both fine.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Both corners determine these people to be dead. Yeah, and
suddenly they break out of their body begs.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Yeah, and they go into the ceiling of the hospital.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
And know exactly which room there.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Yeah, I know exactly which room to go in. And
Agnes goes in kills Lee and then Agnes goes in, well,
Agnes goes into the bed of Lee. Right, that's not
what happens. Yeah, Agnes goes into the bed of Lee,
or of of Kelly's, goes into Kelly's.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Bed during the while she was getting tested on.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Yeah, and Lee walks in and thinks to her, Yeah, okay.
And then Kelly, when she gets back Agnes is in
the ceiling, drops in and hits her with the tibrillator
and yeah, and then has one last showdown with Billy.
He falls over the edge, you know, goes through a
hook or goes through the pole, get stabbed, and he dies.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
And more flashing lights yep, one more time. At least
this time there was a silhould and like it casts
a shadow up on the ceiling and it's kind of cool. Yeah,
but every other time it's used it's trash.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Yeah. Yeah, I could have I could have went without
that hospital scene. But that feels like a mid two
thousand's horror.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
It's so forced though, it is so forced. Oh absolutely,
it doesn't make any sense. We're so far away from
the original. It's crazy. And it's funny because we actually
get further away from the original in two thousand and
thine remake. But it might what nineteen yes, sorry, it
might be better than this one.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
So that's one that I haven't seen since it came out,
So that's when I definitely need to rework it.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Might it might be a better movie, but it's way
further away from Black Christmas than this is. But it's
not good. It's still trash. I don't know. Actually, once
I watched it again because I haven't watched since twenty
nineteen as well.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Yeah, I have to rewatch it because it's Dodoo.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
It's Dodo just like this movie Do Doo.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
I tell you what though it does for me, it
does have that that that charm. I didn't get enough
of it. I d like the movie, the movie it
I liked it. It was a bad movie, absolutely, And
usually I.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Can do what you did and I can buy into
the two thousands remakes. At this one, I don't know
what it was. Man, it was pissing me off the
whole time. I just I hated everything about it.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
That could have been because you just watched the og.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
It had it had to be something like it was.
Just it was crazy to me that even all these
people I like, like Katie Cassidy, I love, I just
thick all of the characters suck, all of them it
was dude, the boyfriend, and like, so he's sleeping with
Megan and he was sleeping with Kelly, and he slept
with another chick whose video was on Megan's laptop, not Kelly.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
And why was.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Hold on because Meghan? Because Kelly goes to Meghan's door
un tells her come down for president. She was being
a bitch to Kelly. Is she just doing that because
she found out Kyle was cheating on her? Because I
thought it was Kelly in the video at first, and
I was like, oh, that's why Meghan's mad at Kelly.
(42:23):
And they even say, like Kelly was saying she was
being a bitch to me. She never does that. It
was like, yeah, ah, but it's not Kelly in the video.
It's another chick. And he didn't up.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Someone took his tapes and uploaded them. I think he
I think he's just I think he's uploading it. I
think he's being the amateur porn star there. Just he sucked.
He was terrible.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Yeah, not only I actually think his performance was bad too,
which is weird.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
It's Oliver Hudson and then yeah, and then they just
shoe horn him in. He's like, I know the story
because I live here, don't here's the story.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
You dun't just never you just you come and go,
oh you won you call them dumb bitches like five times,
like damn.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
He's like, I know the story. Here's the story.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Yeah, but incest see you later and fuck you bitches,
dumb bitches, And that leaves.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Yeah, if you had to rate it, what would you
ride this, dude low? Like two or three? Like awful?
It was awful. I'm I'm between a three and a
three and a half just because I enjoy it as
a movie, It's probably it's probably like a two and
a half. I was.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
I was shocked at how much I didn't like it
because I recall enjoying it, and then I was going
off of, hey, somebody thinks this is better than the original,
and there was a threat of people agreeing. I'm like, Okay,
certainly it can't be that bad.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
They can stop though, Yeah, they can chill it, dude.
From for my personal enjoyment, I'm throwing it at three
and a half.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
But I just problem, I think, what's really like, Yes,
the backstory and the incests and all that crap is awful,
but you can kind of look pass it if you
had anything likable at all, because like there's the same
kind of shitty stuff happens in Prom Night, not to
this degree, but there's a lot of dumb backstory in
prom nine, but they at least those characters still feel likable.
(44:15):
You get likable characters. All Every single sorority girl in
this movie sucks. They all suck. They're all stereotypical, they're
all bitchy, and it's like that's exactly what Bob Clark
didn't want. I can't even believe Bob Clark produced it,
I guess. I mean, he's an executive producer, so just
you know, take the money.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
When did he die because he was he got killed
by a drunk driver twenty.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Ten, two thousand nine, year later, two thousand and seven,
thousand and seven.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Yeah, yeah, interesting, But I'm sure, yeah, I'm sure his
name was just done and I'm sure he had nothing
to do with it, because I don't know if he
how he felt about it.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
I want to know how involved Roy Moore was in
writing it.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Couldn't be couldn't be very He's.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Okay, so he's listed as a writer, but it says
nineteen seventy four screenplay so it's not like based on
characters by Okay, I don't No, it's not involved, got it?
Speaker 2 (45:23):
Okay? Good?
Speaker 1 (45:23):
I don't understand, like dude, Roy Moore would fucking hate this,
like well, this is against his original image completely. Yeah,
so yeah, I uh yeah, I hate it. It feels
bad because I don't recall.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Hating it that much. I said, I fell into those
fell into those late two thousand's shitty, but have a
lot of fun with him horror movies.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
I just couldn't like anybody, man, I don't know, I
just because usually I like somebody. I didn't even like Kelly.
I can't like Katie Cassie I even like her and
imern elm Street. So what happened?
Speaker 2 (46:07):
What happened here?
Speaker 3 (46:08):
Huh xmuths xmuths.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
Yeah, yeah, that's a that's that. That's a Black christ
two thousand and six. It's bad. I don't recommend it.
Watch your original, but we'll be back on Christmas Day
covering Black Christmas twenty nineteen. Send me a great time.
Any great time might be better than this, might be worse.
(46:40):
I honestly don't remember.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
I really don't remember look of it.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Yeah, I don't remember I remember doctor Gordon, I do
remember Cary. I remember doctor Gordon in there there. Yeah, yeah,
good times. But uh hey, if you Jorde's episode, make
sure you drop a light leave a rating wherever you're listening.
Appreciate it helps out. Five star rating helps the show grow.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
But with that, as.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Always, thank you guys, what for listening, and we'll talk
to you next time. Bye.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
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Love is what's going on. We're gonna get tropical. We're
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Speaker 2 (00:48):
My name is Row, my name is Nick, And.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Here we are again with Black Christmas, this time the
two thousand and six remake Black x Mess. Black x
Mess use a lot in marketing so they can push
the fact that they it was going to be a
mean gross film. Yeah, X rated, but it's rated R. Yeah,
(01:10):
but that was what they were going for, Black Xmas,
not Black Christmas.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
It's a different movie.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
When's the first time you saw this movie?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
I mean I probably two thousand and nineteen, twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
And you didn't like it then?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
No, not really. I Sasman.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
When it came out, I was ten years old, and
at the time I thought it was all right. It
fell into the same type of category as prom Night
and when a stranger calls that remake Friday thirteenth, you know,
my buddy Valentine three D, that's our shit.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, it's our shit.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
So going back this time around, I thought for sure
I was gonna enjoy it even more because I still
can go back and watch any of those movies I
just listed have a great time. I can't believe how
awful this movie is.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
So yeah, I actually have the opposite. I liked it
more than I remembered. I mean, it's still not a
great film by any means.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I don't know what it was. It was like actually
making me mad. I don't know if it's because I
watched it. I watched the original, and I watched the
remake immediately after.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I watched the original yesterday and that one in this
one today.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah, I don't know if it was because of coming
off the original and I'm like, wow, this is not
even close.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Or maybe I was just in a good mood. I
don't know, but I liked it more than I did last.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
I also there was something in the back of my
head the whole time. I saw a Twitter feed the
other day that said, you know, am I crazy but
this is a hot take, but I think the remake
of Black Christmas is better than the original, and the
replies to it a lot were agreeing.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Those people need to stop. It's not better than your.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah, it's not even it's not even close. Yeah, it's
not even close. No, yeah, I don't know. But that now,
I was like, man, I don't think that. I knew
that they were wrong, you know when they said that, like,
obviously the original is better, I do that. Yeah, I
was like, oh, maybe the remake is better than I remember,
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because again I didn't. I didn't mind it. Okay, I've
probably have been seen in probably ten years. It's been
a while, like to actually sit and watch it, pay attention,
not look away, not look at my phone, you know,
to actually sit in folks the whole time. It's probably
been like ten years. So I had that thread in
my mind, and now that I've just watched it again,
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I'm like, you are fucking delusional. You are delusional. Of course,
if that's your opinion, it's your opinions whatever. But I
just oh man, I thought it was horrible. I think
this truly of that that decade of remakes from two
thousand and twenty ten. I think this is the worst one.
I think it's by a landslide. This is dis well,
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you could it's just as bad as as Halloween's up
there too, for the same reason that it is like
disrespectful to the original, Like it is so shitty.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I could see that. I could. I could. I can
get behind what you're saying there. I can understand where
you're coming from if you feel if you feel that
you need an apology, I'm sorry that you never mind.
Uh Yeah, It's definitely not a good movie by any means. Yeah,
(04:44):
but I enjoyed it the thing.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
You know why, So Halloween gets a little bit of
a pass because it shouldn't. In my opinion, I don't
think it should get a pass. I think it's also
do dooo. But Halloween one gets a pass because, yes,
it is re making John Carpenter's image. But it was
very intentionally going a different direction, and it knew what
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it was kind of doing. And I think Bob, Sir
Zombie was really put on a leash with how far
you could go with it. It's like, you can be different,
but let's recreate this scene. Let's make sure we get
it in there. Make sure we get the head tilted,
make sure we get this should we get the sheet
in there. And I think that just kind of they
put him on a creative leash and that made it
tough for him. This the rink at Black Christmas isn't
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doing anything different. The only thing it does is add lore.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
It adds lore and that mid two thousands.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Gore. Yeah, and the man sex and but that's.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
That's the thing. Dude.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Like Roy Moore, he's literally like on interviews has said
they they intentionally Bob Clark, like they went and intentionally
wrote sex and nudity out the original Black Christmas because
they wanted those characters to have depth to them. They
wanted people to watch it and be like, those are
real humans, Those are real sorority girls. They're not just
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random slutty characters, bitchy characters that we threw in there
to be a stereotypical slasher film. Nope, fuck that. In
the remake, these are gonna be soulless assholes.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Yeah, it's kind of like they said, Hey, everything that
they crossed off the list. Let's let's uncross it off.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Let's do yeah for real, Like, Hey, we're not gonna
We're not gonna be gory at all. We're not gonna
be goryed on. In the original film, We're gonna let
the audience interpret it and you fill in the blanks.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
In the remake, we're gonna show you eyeballs over and
over and over again. Why why are the eyeballs there?
What is the There's a theme there. There has to
be something in Glenn Morgan written, directed by Glen Morgan,
by the way, there has to be something Glen Morgan's
had where it's like, what do those eyes represent? Seeing
the soul, seeing hidden.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Beauty, seeing the inside of someone, the throat and stuff.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
The eyes are the window to the soul? Is that
what it is?
Speaker 2 (07:11):
These are the eyes of a psychopath? So okay.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
And the thing is the reason it makes me even
a little bit more mad is because every single person
in this movie I like. I like Melissa the Trocktenberg
fan of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Mary Laith Whitesaid is
like one of my first crushes ever. I love her
to death. She's She's shit in this movie character.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I'm not that bad. She just her character just is gone.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah, she's also kind of a bitch a little bit.
If you were in the scenario where your sisters were missing,
because I want to know if I'm a bad person
or not or a good person.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Who knows.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
If you're in a scenario where your sisters are missing
and you have the option to leave, get in the
car and go, or stay, lock the doors and wait
for your sisters to come back, what do you do
Do I hate them.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Your sisters hate them or not?
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Your family, sorority is your family.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
See, I was not in a fraternity or sorority, so
I didn't get that bond there.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I still don't know if i'd leaves.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
It's tough. I understand. They were really getting on her nerves. Yeah.
They were all drinking, having a good time, some more
drunk than others. Yeah Lauren.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Yeah, by the way, I didn't realize Lauren was super drunk,
and all of a sudden, she just throws up, you know,
she was drunk. She just projectile vomits out of nowhere.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Well, she was getting there. She was kind of slumped
and then yeah, I tell you, I.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Couldn't run into the bathroom or something. She hates those
friends like that, there's puke right in the middle of
the floor. Yeah, unbelievable, unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
That happened once.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Okay, if you're a car, so that's but I wasn't
even drinking. That was literally I was sick the next day. Yeah,
we hate Taco Bell go. Shouldn't happen.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
I missed that. I want it right now. I want
to talk about right now.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Sponsor.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Sponsor.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah, I feel like it's kind of kind of shitty
of her to leave.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
At that. I mean, her desk sucks too. Yeah, maybe
if there was a little more like she hates.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
The holidays mhm, because because.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah, it was just kind of like, all right, I'm
annoyed of you. I'm going home. I'm annoyed of the scenario.
If it was more something like they kept pushing her
and she hates the holidays and hate the holiday, and
finally she's like, I'm just getting the fuck out of
here because one I hate the holidays and two now
shit's going down. Yeah, I would understand that a little
bit more.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I guess when the movie first started and they kind
of gave you a little bit more, well, I don't.
I hate the opening scene too, But when at first
they show that all the characters, they kind of were
giving a little bit more backstory than I thought the
original did, and I was like, oh, cool, we're getting
to know these characters, and I was kind of into that,
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and then it just immediately went to soulless, shitty characters.
I mean, every single one of them sucks, which is
crazy because I like Katie Cassie big Supernatural fan. I
even like them that have an Elmtree remake. I don't
even know yan K Crystal Low found Station three. Yeah,
I mean Andrew Martin from the original getting her back
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in there. I mean I'll hate her. I think she's fine. Yeah,
Miss mac shines again. Yeah, and that's it. I mean,
Lacey is shub Air. I don't know a sa her name,
but she's in every Hall Ofmark Christmas movie in the
last twenty years. Like not exaggerating, she's in all. She's
literally in Hot Frosty this year. It just came out.
It's like one of the number It's in the top
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ten movies right now in Netflix. She's in it. It
looks like shit, to be fair, But so to most
of those those Christmas Allmark movies. Yeah, so, I don't know.
It just feels like this cast could do something cool
and they don't.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
As all. Maybe we should have focused on expanding their
lore instead of expanding Billies.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Well yeah, in the opening scene with Claire, I get
what they're trying to do because they show her, they
show the closet, they show the plastic bags there. They're like, ooh,
you know it's coming, and then they just throw a
curveball and it's her getting the bag over her head separately,
and then it's hard cut to that red title car thing.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
I just.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
If you're I don't know, if you're gonna just kind
of spin something on its head a little bit and
try to fool the audience.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
I just didn't like it. I just didn't like it.
I don't know, I'm being an asshole on that one,
all right, but but I just didn't I didn't feel
it did. It did not have the impact. It felt
like you were watching a very typical twenty fifteen, ten
thousand dollars budget YouTube short film in that opening exactly
so kind of hurt me a little bit. But then
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after all that, the part with this movie really just sucks.
Is that They were like, we're going all in. We
are going to show Billy, which again, Billy's never seen
in the the original, not fully. You see his eyeball,
his hand, that's it, right, a silhouette. And this one
we're like, hey, he's got a liver disease. He's gonna
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have yellow skin the whole time and creepy eyes, like
bloodshot eyes the whole time, and we're gonna establish this
ridiculous backstory.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah, they went, they went a little too far. I'm
I was all for it at the beginning. I was
all for it for Okay, you know, he's he's different,
he has this liver disease that gives him yellow skin,
but his mom is a piece of shit and she
hates him because of this liver disease. Like okay, chill, oh, okay.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
You know what would be a better kid than liver disease?
And inbread one, well we'll get there, all right.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah. Yeah, and then having the dad that cares. I'm like, oh,
I'm into this. I'm into this. And then once uh,
you know, she kills her husband who she's cheating on, Yeah,
with a dumb ass drunk who helps.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Her kill the husband, right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
I At first I was watching, I was like, oh wait,
I see another foot there. I'm like, yeah, oh yeah,
that's right. He helped he was there. Yeah, but yeah,
then they are burying him up or down below the house.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah, in the under the deck where that power fuse
boxes down there.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Again, I'm on board still at this point, I was
already out, but I hear you, I'm on board. I'm
on board. And then they hear Billy creeping through the walls.
He climbs up the wall, goes in the attic. They
lock her up there. I'm in everything after that, not
not for well, So.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
I said to you before we recorded this, I was like,
I felt like watching those flashbacks every time. It was
like we were watching a scene out of The Grinch?
Is it?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
They went so.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Over the top with it, Like yeah, though, I hate
the fucking lighting in this movie.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
I hate it.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
I think it's awful, the flashing red and green lights
the whole movie. They did it in every fucking scene.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
They did it.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yeah, every scene there was just flashing green, flashing red,
flashing green, over and over again. It was driving me nuts, Like,
I got it, it's Christmas I'm not forgetting. So that
was super atadic right out of the Grinch. Then his
mom's hair was always like spiked, like she's a fucking who.
Like she she looked like she was a who the
whole time with her hair all weird and pooped up.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
She's a hussy, I did, She's a hussy.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
It was killing me, So I just di. I hated
the way it looked, I hated the way it felt,
so just the flashbacks in general, the way they were shot.
I didn't like then. I so they they established that
they hate each other, the mom and dad hate each other,
but the dad live loves Billy still mom doesn't. And
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I was cool with that. I was like, all right,
parents will stick out a birth like that, sure. But
then then kind of like skip ahead ten years and
Billy's grown up a little bit and they're still doing
the same circus here where it's hey, oh i'm gonna
I'm gonna give stuff to Billy and you're not gonna
mad about the whole time, like you've been doing that
for ten years, You're keeping that going. It's weird to
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me that they still have a relationship at all at
that point. So that didn't even make sense to me.
And then yeah, then you got the affair and and
the killing that Billy sees. And it's when I watched
the kill count on this movie, and I thought James
said it pointing something to help that was very accurate.
Like this whole movie is just crawl spaces and eyeballs. Yeah,
and I was like, oh, yeah, there are so many
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crawl spaces. They just love those tight spaces like that.
And yeah, Billy climbs up that to get to the attic,
which then he gets locked in there. And that's where
I was confused by that immediately, because like, you locked
the hatch, but he crawled up there. What about the
giant holes in the wall? He can just get right
back down he didn't want to it, which literally happened
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at the end of the movie, by the way, right,
they go right back down in that crawl space.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
I was I was confused by that.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
But then after all that crap, after all the bullshit
of those flashbacks, they are like, hey, you know what
would be even better if the mom raped twelve year
old Billy sick, which I get they're trying to just
completely go all in and be graphic because the original
does that in a moral the fucking way.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
And it's it's it's that mid two thousand's shock.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Just that's what they were going for, and they hit it.
I it was bad. It's kind of like the unrated
cut of Halloween where they they rape the uh, the patient,
where it's the two security guards with the patient. Yeah,
and it's just you're like, this is completely unnecessary. Why
is this here? You do not need this to make
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this point. I understand you want to hate that person
so that Michael can kill him. We're all happy about it,
but it is it is completely unnecessary and stupid.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
We already do hatter, we already do hate her, and
in this.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Case, Yeah, and I understand that it then creates Agnes,
who is a killer in this movie, not just a
potential character name in the original. But oh my god,
I was what are we doing here?
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Definitely unnecessary.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Ten year old me didn't put all this together, Okay,
And now that I am, I hate it.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yeah, it just it was not it was not necessary.
It wasn't necessary. Yeah, just have her have another son
with her boyfriend. Yeah, that's all you needed to do. Yeah,
and even it could have then just been Billy killing
the dad, that stepdad, and it didn't it didn't matter.
I mean, they made the point like Billy reminded her
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of her husband, and she hated that. So why is
she she's really that desperate to have a kid that.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Yeah, so here's an idea, take his direct genetics and
use his sperm.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Just don't just don't write that in the movie.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
The plot doesn't make sense. No, I hate that you
remind me of your father, So I want your sperm
to make a kid.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
But she hated that, and she hated that.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I thought she was infertile, and that was like the
problem he was.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Apparently he was.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Every time you've had sex, he passes out. You couldn't
get him to blow his load one time. I mean
maybe he's you know, his sperm countlow.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
I'm just saying, okay, insubordinate and turlish. How about you
just right, I don't like it.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Just just write it where you do have a kid
with him. How about that? We still hate you? We
still hate Oh.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah, plenty, dude, plenty. He just looking at her in
this movie. She's she's a tough man. She's a hat
heable character. So yeah, I don't it. Wow, Okay, And
again just to remind her of what the original story
that Bob Clark confirmed in a Black Christmas documentary. All
it was Agnes was Billy's little sister. He killed his
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parents on Christmas Eve, locked up his little sister in
the basement. She escaped, told the cops Billy gets put
into a psyche cord. That was it. There was no inbred,
no having said X with your kids, your twelve year
old fucking kid.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Unbelievable. Unbelievable dude. Then they cut.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
She like drops her her gown, you know, in front
of him, and then the shar's rocking. I'm like, what
are you doing?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Oh my god. I just I'm all for shock value.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
I'm into that kind of stuff, not like gore shock value,
but like crossing lines to get your audience attention and
having villains win that kind of thing. I'm into that.
I'm into taking chances. But just the whole way that
it was shot and ridden, I just I couldn't buy
it and I was struggling, man, No, that's all.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Yeah. So yeah, and then also that's.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Not why I hate this whole movie though, but that
is that really like locked me into a bad place.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Yeah. Then we cut to what ten years later? Then
in the future. Now we're in ninety one, right, I
think we're ninety one, and his pajamas grew with him,
grew with Billy. They fit well, they fit, they fit,
They're not super small. I feel like it would have
been I would have loved this movie ten out of
ten if his fucking shirt was the fucking crop top,
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because he didn't. Never got noo pajamas.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Oh yeah, so he does end up killing h He
kills the step dad with the what is it? What
does he kill him with? He gets him through the
eye with whatever that thing is gets him through the eye.
Of course we get the goes through the eye ahead
and you see the eyeball. Yeah, get eyeballs. Eyeballs in
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this movie. H what's he doing to mommy? Why don't
I forget what he does in Mommy?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Well, he finishes her off with a rolling pin, that's right.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
He's chokes her with the getting drags her body into
the kitchen, and then beats her with the rolling pin.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah, and then he well they catch him, he rips
Agnes's eyeball out.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Yes, that was after they were yeah. Yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah, that is a crazy cup. By the way, when
she drops the gown, the chairs rocking, we all put
together the fact that you know she she raped her son,
but then okay, not get into the details here, but
then it just hard cuts to a baby.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Being born nine months later.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I'm like, oh, wow, this is crazy. But yeah, that
skip ahead again.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yeah, Agnes is older.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Billy kills his parents and locks Agnus in the attic, right,
that's it. Yeah, which brings me to my next point
that I hate.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Well, actually no, we did we see where he put Agnes,
I don't think, But then we just cut to him
eating the skin. The skin. I like that. See that's
the kind of shock value I can get behind. Yeah,
I'll take I'll take that lore, I'll take that any
day of the week. Yeah. Uh that.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
That's one of the big twists on this story is Agnes,
who is just a name in the original, is now
a character who is also a killer in teaming up
with Billy to kill the sorority girls, which Agnes has
been there the whole time, the whole time, which I
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have problems with that from the get go, because who
how did Agnes live? Like, why is Agnes alive? How
was Agnes eating How did Agnes get a fake eye.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
From the dolls? From one of the dolls, I guess.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
She stuffed it in the fucking hole. Yeah, and she.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Just never yeah, because remember they're like look and its
two little eyes. Did she ever get medical assistance with that? I? Oh,
probably not liked did end like she she went under.
She went in the basement, lived in the fucking basement
the whole time, the whole time. I guess maybe she
was also in the attic. She was, she was also
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in the attic. She was able to climb all the
way down and up.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
I just it's none of it makes sense to me. No,
it's it's such a tremendous stretch.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
But it must have been just eating fucking raccoons or something.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Again, dude, Black Christmas was every any day everywhere America.
It was like real, like it could happen, which is
the point of the urban legend.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
It was scaring babysitters that when you go babysitting, man,
you never know who might be in the house, right
like that. That was all there was, the urban legend,
and then this yay, so they just try to do
all this fun little twist on the story and it sucks,
but just to make things worse in case you forgot
about the whole Uh, who is the father of Agnes?
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I love the line my daddy's home wasn't that great?
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Let it put that in there. Yeah, I'm glad she
found out. Uh huh, how did she find out?
Speaker 1 (25:08):
There's going to these points? And then okay, let's just
take a step back here, going back to the lore
of Billy. So he's been in a psych ward the
criminally insane part of this psych word, and he's been
there forever. Every year he tries to break out. They
established that with the security guard designated to his door.
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Every year he tries to break out on Christmas and
get home. Okay, then he gives the security guard a gift,
which they established the door being held up by the
milk carton with the Santa And I didn't really get
that because it seemed like they closed it later.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
It wasn't him, it was earlier, right, So why why
did did he go through that door? Still?
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Do they never remove that milk carton that whole time?
I guess several questions where it was literally just for
that suspenseful moment because it might be Billy that's coming
up in the Santa suit.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I don't know, uh, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Then he gives the security guard of gift says, I'll
be home for Christmas, and he looks back in doesn't
see him. The sinks ripped off the wall.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Why do they let him decorate like that? Right?
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Is it just to keep him calms? They always let
you do it? And then would you give a criminally
insane patient a candy game? Because to me, it seems
pretty obvious that you could sharpen it to a point.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Does it not? Well? But also how you're really gonna
use it as a weapon? You can how much damage
is it really gonna do? Give me?
Speaker 1 (26:40):
I'll show you it's Yeah, you can absolutely sharpen it
to a point like that. That's if you're gonna give
me a candy gann you gotta give it a noodle. Circles.
The circles are.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Gonna bring just peppermint, a little mint.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Yeah, just tape it up, Just tape it into a hook.
You know, I'm down because otherwise situations like this happen.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
This is I guess.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
I guess it makes sense that he would have gone
into the room to check the hole. But I just don't.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
It makes me mad.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
I feel like, I mean, obviously it's a movie. I
feel like in a real scenario, they would look through
the hole and you're the only one there. Well, you're
the only one in that hallway. You look through the hole,
you see that there's a hole where the sink was
that he could have climbed through. You. You call for
fucking it, back up, shut down, lockdown. You don't go
in there.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
You might go in there after the call, but right, yeah,
and I wouldn't. I was thinking, you're because we were
all thinking the same thing. When you want in there,
he's under the bed, yeah, and all of us are
the same thing. So obviously, whatever, I'm being nitpicky because
I'm mad, that's all.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
That's just the anger coming out.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
All right, I'm being an asshole, but it's just because
it's how mad this movie made me insubordinate. Let's talk
about this some of the kills. Let's talk about some
of the kills. This movie does score a little bit
with kills here and there. Stepdaddy's death pretty good, uh
AS's eye being ripped out pretty good? Yeah I didn't
(28:12):
I thought Claire's death sucked, But insubordinate, But then we
have kills like Heather's, Mary Lily's with Winstead's death where
they go out.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
To the car. She's scraping off.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Miss mack is scraping off the window, sees Billy's eye,
which whatever, he's everywhere, that man's everywhere, sees his eye
and then blood sprays on the windshields. We never actually
see Maryly's with wind Set's death. But then Miss mac
runs off to the side, it goes in the garage
and an icicle falls on her and kills her.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yeah, fucking lame, lame.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
I don't accidental kills are pretty common in slasher film
stuff like that, but really like an icicle falling off
and she looks up and espec kind of it was
a legacy character too. I just thought she desarve better.
Well lega see cast member and character kind of but
different people, right.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Uh yeah, I just I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
I thought that was I thought that was dumb.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
They do gore, but it's all the same, it's all this.
It's eyeballs every time. Even with Lauren. Yeah, you don't
see what happens to her really, although that was another
scene with Agnes in bed with her and groping her
goes on a little long.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Yep. I was like yep, yeah, yep. I again, I
was all for it to a point and then I'm like, okay,
let's move this. Okay, let's move.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
This for it's kind of this is that kind of
shit is what Terrifier is doing right now. It's just
and I get people love terrifying. I'm not trying to
be if you if that's your thing, that's your fetish,
that's your fetish, all right, that's what you're gonna do
with horror.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
There's a scene Terrifier three where it's a pretty cool
kill scalping kill happening, and in the the background the
whole time, there's so many masturbating with scissors and it
just goes on a little too long. I've not I've
not seen it. It was like the bedroom scene and
(30:11):
Terrified too, Like it's cool, we're doing things that are
really graphic and it's brought it's being taken horror, bringing
to a mainstream It's not just taking horror, but it's
taking slasher and brutal killings and bringing it to mainstream media,
and it's making us look a little less weird, I
guess as a or more weird.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I guess more people might be judging the genre. I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
It's like, that's not all the horror movies, Okay, we
have we have psychological thrillers too. Uh but yeah, it's
part of it's cool. But I'm also like it's just
a little too It's just a little unnecessary.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
So dark.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
It's like you don't you are Damian Leoni's making a point.
He doesn't need to keep I don't know, keep making it.
We got it. The point was made. It's brutal. Uh,
that's kind of I thought about that, that groping scene.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
It's like we got yeah, we get it. Okay, we're
still going we get we got it.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yeah, we got it. It took her a long time
to react as well.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Well then even she then she finally like woke up
and was like oh oh oh, I'm like, well, yeah,
we get it.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
This is this is another thing I was thinking too,
because I think she has a justified reaction.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Well yeah, eventually, yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
I think she has a justified reaction. But also you
would think, did she like assume who that is?
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Like you?
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Because sorority houses and the fucking things that happened in
these places. You would think that would be like a
drunk boyfriend or something who is getting out of line, right,
I just she just she went for the kill pretty quick,
which again probably justified reaction.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
I'm she's still drunk, so maybe she thought it was
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
She she just didn't even look. She didn't bother to
see who it was. She just went for the kill.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
It's like, damn, must have just took the moaning and like,
m that's the bitch on the phone. You know.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
It's pretty pretty intense reaction there, but fair enough justified.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah, it just took a long time for her one
to wake up and two two do something about it.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Yeah, I guess she's just drunk. I guess still.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Yeah that from a filmmakerspective that you know, they just
went a little time. If we could asshorten that scene
up a little bit, you didn't need that extra forty
seconds a run time. There, we got it, We got it.
Where was I going with that?
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Of course her eyes are taken out, yep, yep, so
both of them. I don't I guess the I the
reason Agnes will remove eyes is because she lost an eye,
she needs a new one. I don't understand why Billy
does it because Billy's also is constantly hitting the eyes.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Maybe that's his his fetish. I don't.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
I also want to talk about is it Eve? Is
that her name?
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Eva, Eve, Eve agnew, Eve agnew great character. This was
one of those and another one of those things where
I'm like, you get the fuck away from the pen Bob,
if you get that, if you get that joke. It
was funny, but yeah, like get away, Like why it
(33:35):
is so lazy? Yep, it is so lazy. So Eve
is a random sorority girl who's meant to kind of
like be She's the weird she's.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
The weird one.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
She's the sissy spasic of the group. Like that's what
we're going with, sure, because it's so weird for her
to give a gift to a sorority girl. We don't get,
we don't get anything that's weird from her except she
stands there with glasses on a hands to someone in present.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
He Hey, girls, yeah, you guys are like my family,
and they're all like yeah, they're all super weird about it,
which I don't know. Yeah, Like she's the she's the
weird one. Yeah, she's the one that no one likes,
but she's there. Yeah, and she gives a gift to Heather.
Merlysus Win said, gives her a gift ends up being
(34:21):
the freaking glass unicorn, and immediately is like, oh okay,
so that's how we get a glass unicorn.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Got a cool genius. So I hated that. But then
they establish even this way intentionally editing in line with Agnes.
So they cut from Agnes to Eve, hinting that that
might be the same person. But then two scenes later
her head falls out of a car and that's it, Like,
(34:52):
what a waste if you're gonna do it, then continue
to make us think the whole movie, just like Peter
in the original, make us think the whole movie that
might be Agnes exactly.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yeah again it's been a while since I've seen it.
I'm like, oh shit, yeah, yeah, she's at Nope.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
And then they also give Eve this weird like they
try to do more with it where they say, uh,
Heather goes and it was like looking in her room
and stuff, and Eve has some sort of obsession.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Well it's it's Billy's room.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Yeah, and she used newspaper.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
So it was the newspaper from ninety one. Yeah, when
Billy was arrested in her room. So was she obsessed
or was it Agnes putting the newspaper in the wall hole?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Well, we know that it's just weird that I guess.
So she's happened to find newspaper in her room. I
think that's it. I think that's what. Yeah, because the
same newspaper was used to wrap the doll that Billy
put out the tree to the sorority girls. Yeah, it's
still Dumby of the way. Just what an absolutely stupid
(36:06):
character and lazy writing.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Then there's Lee, who is the sister to uh not Lauren,
but Claire. Claire's sister shows up just she's replacing mister
Harrison in this movie. She's showing up because Claire never
showed her for Christmas twelve years older. Sister, got it.
(36:29):
She ends up somehow be coming into the main character.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
I got.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
I guess, like mister Harrison making to the end there.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Well, and she was she was a legacy for the sorority.
She was in the sorority. She hated the house.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Yeah, but she's only there for a year and she
dropped out.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
She came late, left early.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Yeah, she but but she.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Has a connection. She's there to be like I was
in this house once. It was creepy. Yeah, like it's
always been creepy.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Okay, yeah, but ends up coming down her and Katie,
Cassidy and Kelly, and I hated her death to a
Haley's death, like you go that whole movie with her.
She's kind of established one of the final girls. That's cool. Actually,
just hate the ending and oh my god, this movie sucks.
(37:17):
It's honestly awful. I'm like, I'm really sorry. This feels
like wrapped in red. I'm so mad at this. I
just I just don't like this movie at all. Where
do I even start with that?
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Well, so the ending was I was reading on you know,
IMDb and Wikipedia and such, and I guess that it
was originally written or it was the ending was supposed
to be. Yeah, the ending was originally written where it
(37:53):
was just yeah, just silent, like sort of like the
original where it's open ended stuff like that. But the
Winstein's they wanted more, so we got that whole hospital scene.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
It sucks. The hospital scene sucks.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
I don't remember if they made it to the hospital
and then just like the phone rang at the hospital,
or if it was just in the sorority house where
the phone is ringing and leaving leaving it open ended again.
I think that's what it was originally written, but Bob
and Harvey Weinstein said, nope, we want more, We need.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
More, so trash ooo yeah, because you did end. They
drop into the walls. They end up getting knocking them
down there, both Agnes and Billy, and they have the
tree that's on fire and they start on fire and
it looks like they burn up and see you later.
(38:52):
But then you're like, Okay, movie's over. And then they
cut to the hospital and oh, here we go.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
So they they make it. They both go in the
morgue because they're dead.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
The corners are also both fine.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Both corners determine these people to be dead. Yeah, and
suddenly they break out of their body begs.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Yeah, and they go into the ceiling of the hospital.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
And know exactly which room there.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Yeah, I know exactly which room to go in. And
Agnes goes in kills Lee and then Agnes goes in, well,
Agnes goes into the bed of Lee. Right, that's not
what happens. Yeah, Agnes goes into the bed of Lee,
or of of Kelly's, goes into Kelly's.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Bed during the while she was getting tested on.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Yeah, and Lee walks in and thinks to her, Yeah, okay.
And then Kelly, when she gets back Agnes is in
the ceiling, drops in and hits her with the tibrillator
and yeah, and then has one last showdown with Billy.
He falls over the edge, you know, goes through a
hook or goes through the pole, get stabbed, and he dies.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
And more flashing lights yep, one more time. At least
this time there was a silhould and like it casts
a shadow up on the ceiling and it's kind of cool. Yeah,
but every other time it's used it's trash.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Yeah. Yeah, I could have I could have went without
that hospital scene. But that feels like a mid two
thousand's horror.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
It's so forced though, it is so forced. Oh absolutely,
it doesn't make any sense. We're so far away from
the original. It's crazy. And it's funny because we actually
get further away from the original in two thousand and
thine remake. But it might what nineteen yes, sorry, it
might be better than this one.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
So that's one that I haven't seen since it came out,
So that's when I definitely need to rework it.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Might it might be a better movie, but it's way
further away from Black Christmas than this is. But it's
not good. It's still trash. I don't know. Actually, once
I watched it again because I haven't watched since twenty
nineteen as well.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Yeah, I have to rewatch it because it's Dodoo.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
It's Dodo just like this movie Do Doo.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
I tell you what though it does for me, it
does have that that that charm. I didn't get enough
of it. I d like the movie, the movie it
I liked it. It was a bad movie, absolutely, And
usually I.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Can do what you did and I can buy into
the two thousands remakes. At this one, I don't know
what it was. Man, it was pissing me off the
whole time. I just I hated everything about it.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
That could have been because you just watched the og.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
It had it had to be something like it was.
Just it was crazy to me that even all these
people I like, like Katie Cassidy, I love, I just
thick all of the characters suck, all of them it
was dude, the boyfriend, and like, so he's sleeping with
Megan and he was sleeping with Kelly, and he slept
with another chick whose video was on Megan's laptop, not Kelly.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
And why was.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Hold on because Meghan? Because Kelly goes to Meghan's door
un tells her come down for president. She was being
a bitch to Kelly. Is she just doing that because
she found out Kyle was cheating on her? Because I
thought it was Kelly in the video at first, and
I was like, oh, that's why Meghan's mad at Kelly.
(42:23):
And they even say, like Kelly was saying she was
being a bitch to me. She never does that. It
was like, yeah, ah, but it's not Kelly in the video.
It's another chick. And he didn't up.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Someone took his tapes and uploaded them. I think he
I think he's just I think he's uploading it. I
think he's being the amateur porn star there. Just he sucked.
He was terrible.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Yeah, not only I actually think his performance was bad too,
which is weird.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
It's Oliver Hudson and then yeah, and then they just
shoe horn him in. He's like, I know the story
because I live here, don't here's the story.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
You dun't just never you just you come and go,
oh you won you call them dumb bitches like five times,
like damn.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
He's like, I know the story. Here's the story.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Yeah, but incest see you later and fuck you bitches,
dumb bitches, And that leaves.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Yeah, if you had to rate it, what would you
ride this, dude low? Like two or three? Like awful?
It was awful. I'm I'm between a three and a
three and a half just because I enjoy it as
a movie, It's probably it's probably like a two and
a half. I was.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
I was shocked at how much I didn't like it
because I recall enjoying it, and then I was going
off of, hey, somebody thinks this is better than the original,
and there was a threat of people agreeing. I'm like, Okay,
certainly it can't be that bad.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
They can stop though, Yeah, they can chill it, dude.
From for my personal enjoyment, I'm throwing it at three
and a half.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
But I just problem, I think, what's really like, Yes,
the backstory and the incests and all that crap is awful,
but you can kind of look pass it if you
had anything likable at all, because like there's the same
kind of shitty stuff happens in Prom Night, not to
this degree, but there's a lot of dumb backstory in
prom nine, but they at least those characters still feel likable.
(44:15):
You get likable characters. All Every single sorority girl in
this movie sucks. They all suck. They're all stereotypical, they're
all bitchy, and it's like that's exactly what Bob Clark
didn't want. I can't even believe Bob Clark produced it,
I guess. I mean, he's an executive producer, so just
you know, take the money.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
When did he die because he was he got killed
by a drunk driver twenty.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Ten, two thousand nine, year later, two thousand and seven,
thousand and seven.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Yeah, yeah, interesting, But I'm sure, yeah, I'm sure his
name was just done and I'm sure he had nothing
to do with it, because I don't know if he
how he felt about it.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
I want to know how involved Roy Moore was in
writing it.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Couldn't be couldn't be very He's.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Okay, so he's listed as a writer, but it says
nineteen seventy four screenplay so it's not like based on
characters by Okay, I don't No, it's not involved, got it?
Speaker 2 (45:23):
Okay? Good?
Speaker 1 (45:23):
I don't understand, like dude, Roy Moore would fucking hate this,
like well, this is against his original image completely. Yeah,
so yeah, I uh yeah, I hate it. It feels
bad because I don't recall.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Hating it that much. I said, I fell into those
fell into those late two thousand's shitty, but have a
lot of fun with him horror movies.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
I just couldn't like anybody, man, I don't know, I
just because usually I like somebody. I didn't even like Kelly.
I can't like Katie Cassie I even like her and
imern elm Street. So what happened?
Speaker 2 (46:07):
What happened here?
Speaker 3 (46:08):
Huh xmuths xmuths.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
Yeah, yeah, that's a that's that. That's a Black christ
two thousand and six. It's bad. I don't recommend it.
Watch your original, but we'll be back on Christmas Day
covering Black Christmas twenty nineteen. Send me a great time.
Any great time might be better than this, might be worse.
(46:40):
I honestly don't remember.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
I really don't remember look of it.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Yeah, I don't remember I remember doctor Gordon, I do
remember Cary. I remember doctor Gordon in there there. Yeah, yeah,
good times. But uh hey, if you Jorde's episode, make
sure you drop a light leave a rating wherever you're listening.
Appreciate it helps out. Five star rating helps the show grow.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
But with that, as.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Always, thank you guys, what for listening, and we'll talk
to you next time. Bye.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Don't hide your rise from the movie screens, dontcheries from
the horror screens.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
Hall of Fame for Villains, watch them take about the slasher.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
Has no doubt they'll go all out to make every
death count
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