December 25, 2024 • 38 mins
On this episode of Make Every Death Count, Nic and Riley finish off their Christmas celebration with the latest (and greatest?) Black Christmas from 2019!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Slash and cast behind a mask.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
It could be anything, something to make you scream, something
you've never seen.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
God lacking knife first.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
There could be some mead you wish you never bed
chosen for the Slasher Seed Do not you rise?
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Movie Space, won't youse.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
The home tree, flathful philis, watch them take a bow.
The Slasher has no tulldout go all about till Make
Every Death Count?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
What's happening?
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Love is what's going on. We're gonna get tropical. We're
gonna get tropical. Welcome back to an episode of Make
Every Death Count, brought to you by the Slash and
Gast Podcast Network.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
We are your host. My name is Riley, my name
is Nick. Hey, here we are.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
It's Christmas Day, or if you remember, it's Christmas Eve.
By the way we're recording this. It is one forty
three but one four four am on Christmas Eve.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
So yeah, we got busy.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Mary Chrysler, Yeah yeah, it's been insane. So many people around.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Too many, so much work to do, too many.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Oh, way too many, brother way too many. Not a fan,
but you know what, you know, what's really is gonna
make my Christmas so much better? Watching Black Christmas twenty nineteen,
because it's one of the best movies I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Mm hmmm, it's got to be.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
One of the best remakes of all time and it
should be respected as such.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yeah, I completely agree. It's Is it not registered in
the for preservation now yet? Is there? There must be
a minimum time limit for that?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Then it probably actually is a minimum time Well, first
ballot speut Hall of Fame. Black Christmas twenty nineteen. This movie.
You know, we went pretty hard in Black Christmas two
thousand and six last week, and I still think rightfully
so because the difference between that movie and this movie
(02:15):
is that movie was trying to be Black Christmas nineteen
seventy four. He was trying to be Billy and bring
in the Agnes story and do all of that, the
phone calls, et cetera. It just was, you know, downright
disrespectful and dog shit. This movie does nothing except title
at Black Christmas.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yeah, I called for a missing person. We're looking for
Billy William William. If you will he yeah he If
you say Piggy, piggy'll he'll come after you. He's missing,
He's gone. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
This movie is none of that. No Billy, no Agnes,
no serial killer, no slasher. It's nothing like that at all.
And something about this movie I just went to a
dark hole in my brain and disappeared. Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
I remember watching it shortly after it came out, maybe
like I don't know, a couple months after it came
out on VOD. Yeah, and I just didn't remember a
lick of it. Yeah, and I wish. I I'm glad
I didn't because I wish it wasn't back in my brain.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Yeah, I went. I mean I remembered. I was like, okay,
men suck, no billy, those are the things I remembered.
I was like, okay, but I can go with that.
I hate the term woke, I really do. I hate it,
and I never like a lot of movies that people
have been offended by don't bother me, like, for example,
Detections a Masker twenty twenty two. That one got thrown
(03:52):
around super woke, YadA YadA.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I think even though they were making fun of it.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Well, that's the thing, because you usually movies like this
that you know, I don't want to say, our agenda pushing,
but this one's not very subtle. Oh yeah, but yeah,
where they're kind of like they're trying to discuss a
real thing, which is what horror movies do.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
By the way, that's why don't get offended by it. Yeah,
i mean Black Christmas talked about abortion. Yeah back in
the seventies. Yeah, this is what horror does.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
It throws real world topics in your face, and it
does it in kind of a different way. The Texans
a masker, I mean is basically like a shot at
the Vietnam War you have and just you know America
in general in the seventies you have things a candy
man taking a shot at the streets of Chicago and
(04:42):
how awful the city handles those like there are so
many of these movies are talking about real world topics
while being entertaining and kind of tucking you down to
the horror genres and escape.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Still they were themes, they were, yeah, they were not
the plot.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Yeah, so it's nothing new, something new that this is happening.
It's just a little more on the nose in some
of these movies. So that's why TCM twenty twenty you
didn't bother me, because it did it. It addressed certain
issues of today, but then it turned it on its
head a little bit, and it allowed them to allowed
both sides to be made fun of on the topic,
(05:18):
you know, whether side he landed on. Both sides kind
of got their their shots in and laughed at and
I don't know, I just didn't. I never found the
movie very offensive per se. This this movie. I kept
waiting for the punchline. I really did. I was like,
because the opening in and all of that, and as
we can get introduced with characters and kind of where
(05:39):
we're going at here, I was like, Okay, at some
point this is gonna turn on its head and we're
gonna be like, oh, not all men are bad or
something like that. Like it's gonna turn on its head
and we're gonna see both sides of the issue. And
it just doesn't happen. I thought it was for a
little bit there, and it just doesn't happen. It's it's
such it's a movie. It's the most on the nose
(06:01):
movie I've ever seen where it's like men suck ass,
girl power.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yeah, I mean obviously like Black Christmas had like those
themes like these women. Some made it out, most didn't. Yeah,
and that's the whole point of you know, Slashers true
Slashers is you know, final girl. Yeah, womanwer power to you,
strong independent woman.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
I don't this is not the genre where you need.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
To do that. No, So I don't get it.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
I don't get why this movie felt is like this
is the one We're gonna let women be dominant in
this movie. It's like we've been doing that for fifty years.
Why is it now if you keep a couple more alive?
I don't get it, because like these movies always end
with the woman on top and the man fallen, like
(06:51):
that is always how it goes.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
And I don't know, it's just this.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Isn't really the genre that discriminates in such a way
like that, right, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
I mean also, I mean, I know we're talking about
the way it ends, but like the the the creepiness
of Black Christmas, even though the original Ando six even yeah,
this could happen to you, Yeah, this is this movie
is fucking stupid. This movie I'm gonna I'm gonna say it.
It's not gonna happen there. I don't think this is no,
(07:23):
I know this is not gonna happen to you.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
And when you kind of finished a movie and you're
like what did just happen? Because you just can't believe
that the direction it goes, so yeah, uh yeah. So
aside from all the hey men, sucks of this and bye,
by the way, this movie has two white men. Is
really hard to talk about because you don't want to
be a prick, but you're like, dude, this is the
movie where I think everyone kind of agreed, like.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
All right, this is fucking stupid. Yeah, this is stupid, and.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
It's it sucks because every once in a while you
see a moment where it's like, oh, now we're getting interested.
I thought the song that the song they performed, you
know and taking a shot out of deec I thought
it was funny. I thought it was really well done.
So I was like I was kind of in with it.
It's like, yeah, fuck those frat boys, and somebody was
in a fraternity, Fuck those frat boys and kind of
(08:14):
getting back them. So you're kind of there's a moment
in there where it's like you think they're going in
the right direction, you're on their side, and it just
keeps getting weirder and weirder. Then they start getting shitty
with each other and I'm like, I'm who am I
rooting for here, who am I supposed to like? Right,
It's it's weird, especially because the movie doesn't If it
was only Riley who we were rooting for. I think
(08:34):
she's relatively likable. She they try, the most developed character
of the movie at least. Yeah, but you're supposed to
root for all of these chicks and it doesn't. I
don't know, they get to there's just like this, you know,
the big badass chick moment, but it doesn't. I don't know,
it doesn't hit because you're like they started turning on
(08:56):
each other, like she didn't believe Riley. What's her face?
Chris didn't believe Riley?
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Right? Yeah it Yeah, I mean this movie one of
the worst written movies I think I've ever watched. Yeah,
not taking not saying you know, woke bad equals bad,
I'm saying genuinely like, no character development. Yeah, the the twist,
(09:25):
I guess the reason behind it all lazy bad, just bad,
like aside from and it's not Black Christmas.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
But yeah, the fact that they have the nerve you
can put Roy Moore's name under the writing credits is
fucking disrespectful, Like you did nothing except have sorority Girls
and title of Black Christmas. There are no other similarities.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
The one kill with the bag over the head, the.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Bag over the head, the rocking chair in the attic,
the the one phone call from the mom, which that
was like it was just like two thousand and six
where it was like, ugh, you see what we did,
like with the glass glass unicorns, like, uh, you see it.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
It's like we got it in there.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
It's the same thing they had, Like the phone call
from uh, I think it was hell on his mom
or just someone's mom calling Riley and it's the phone
call starts off like staticky and it sounds like Billy
for a moment, so it kind of has that original
sound from the film and it yeah, and then oh.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Thank god, it finally got through. Hey, I'm just calling
to see where my daughter is.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Yeah, so they they know what they're doing. It's at
some point they're trying to you know, like I said,
the rocking chair in the attic, and it had moments
where they were trying to have cute little Easter X.
But since the movie has zero to do with the
original and it was stupid and it sucks because this
movie coming out in twenty nineteen following it's a Plumbhouse film,
(10:59):
and follows Halloween twenty eighteen. You come in with high
hopes that Blumhouse might get it, they might get these franchises,
and to do something so goddamn disrespectful to the original
is sough.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Yeah, it's so domad.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
But yeah, I aside from all the characters sucking men,
suck all that crap, the twist in itself is so
I'm glad I forgot it because watching it again, I
was like, holy shit, that's right. We are talking about
fucking ghost possession in this movie. I totally forgot about it,
(11:36):
which is why last week I was like, twenty nineteen
can't be as bad as this. No, it absolutely can,
because it doesn't make I don't know which twist is worse,
ghost possession or incests.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
If we're talking Black Christmas, it's ghost possession. Dude. Let
me read you cult bullshit.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Let me read you this wiki paragraph because I think
if you haven't seen the movie before, it's just funny.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
So, uh, Riley and Chris escape in Nate's car, and
Riley theorized that Hawthorne who.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Which is the college? Hawthorne College?
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Uh, and it's forgot the dude's first names something Hawthorne,
I don't even remember, sort of the sea. I think
this is that tard Carter Carter, Calvin Calvin Hawthorne, who
apparently is a racist piece of shit, owned slaves, lived
in the North, that kind of thing. Pre uh, but
(12:36):
they yeah, Hawthorne College. Apparently he was known for practicing
black magic, That's what Riley theorizes and responsible for the
murders via his bust, which emits black liquid. Chris suggests
they go to the police, but Riley demands they go
to the frattnity and the two separate. Riley and liss
Landon to help her enter the fraternity. Chris discovers Lindsay
(12:59):
Crotisys is also being attacked by Deeke and rescues them
at the Deek House of frat brothers Forstlane to become
a pledge. Raley discovers Helena, who is tied up after
being not unconscious by a DEEC member. Helena is secretly
working with Attorney and stolenes from my sisters and allowed
to possess pledges to locate their targets. Helena's murdered before
Christ but okay, more of the story ghost Possession. I practiced,
(13:24):
Hawthorne practiced black magic, and now his bust, which by
the way, used to be a public bust.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
And then it was in a basement.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Yeah, it was put into the deek basement to their
pledge or whatever be their chapter room meeting room after
a petition was signed to have removed because he was
a fucking racist douchebag. So what before that happened.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Did he emit black boss was oozing black slime? Oh wait,
it always did that.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
What if if it's the power lies within the bust?
Did they just like take it once a year? Maybe
that was that?
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Ever said, I don't know if Carrie the professor, he
explained it that like they just left notes and they
were found by because the fraternity that was doing this
cult spirit possession thing was the founder's fraternity. Yes, so
(14:32):
they left them notes but didn't find it until twenty nineteen.
I don't.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Also the movie, you know, it's like the whole concept
because the list they cave because it wasn't just whatever
sorority Riley and Cris's sorority being attacked here by the
Deep fraternity and this whole possession thing. It was all
of the sororities on camp, all the women who would
(15:02):
not bow down to men were put on a list,
and then they were being attacked by possessed pledges of
this fraternity. Yes, so there's a whole bunch of them,
a whole bunch of these and not and they were
being murdered.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yeah, what in what world is this gonna fly? I
don't understand.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
What after they comeback to the winter break in half
of the female population on campus has been murdered? Is
just gonna get away with it? What was the goal?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Right it? Yeah? Just again nothing made sense. Very poorly
written movie.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Do you remember when the trailers came out for this movie?
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Mm hmm. Do you ever when it revealed in the
trailer that Carrie was guilty? Yeah, yeah, we're like, oh,
all right, at least at least of them doing that.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
You know from the trailer that this is a different movie, right,
but yeah, they literally show him in the freaking robe
in that final room, all of that.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
It's it's right in the first trailer. Yeah, it was
damn it Carrie. Yeah, which, yeah, so the founder left
notes on for the future on how to bring him back,
and somehow it was relayed to him like, hey, we're
(16:33):
only going to kill these women because they they made
a petition to get me fired because I I for
even forget that sexually assaulted or was it, I don't
even the well, he.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
The reason they wanted him to be fired was because
he only used his curriculum was only rolled white.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Men, right, so you know that was that was his
motive because women, We're going to kill these women because
they're not obedient, because they want me fired. And also
this guy raped a sorority girl, so we need to
get women to bow down to us. So let's get
(17:15):
the possessed, use the black magic that was you know,
the instruction manual was left for us, and then let's
get him in here and he can kill these women
so that they'll be obedient, and then yeah, then we'll
just get away with that fter Christ.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
It's interesting how long they go with not making it
clear as day that Riley was actually assaulted by Brigan. Brian, Yeah,
it was kind of like there are so many times
they like remind you because then then Chris not believing Riley,
(17:51):
which I thought that was a right.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
You were here the whole time, you were supporting her.
The whole time.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Yeah, she didn't believe her. And then there were certain
lines throughout like Brian, Brian would never do this, and
even Brian saying, you dug you know my name through
the mud for nothing, just for attention. I'm like, did
are you saying you didn't do it? What are you
trying to tell me here? Writers? But then it was
like then you're getting actual flashbacks and ship and I'm like,
(18:19):
what is.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
She She's yeah, I wasn't awake for it, so it
was assault or rape and which yes, yeah of course,
but but then yeah, then he's like, I didn't do it,
I'm innocent, innocent, wasn't me?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Sid?
Speaker 4 (18:38):
I just thought it was weird that they constantly kind
of kept saying that throughout the movie that it didn't happen,
because it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
It wasn't just the person a Q or that was accused,
being like, WHOA wasn't me? I didn't do it? It
was yeah, like even her sorority sisters were not so sure.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Yeah, it's just weird to me. Yeah, It's like, don't
don't you want to spend Rally's side this whole time?
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Right? Uh?
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Yeah, this is one of those movies it's kind of
like I said, it's already hard to talk about, and
there's nothing going on until the end, like the there's
there's no good kills.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Is this a Peachy thirteen movie? Yes, yep, it's PG.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
I like I could feel that because it just Diz.
There's no real gore at all, and what who what's
about the one boyfriend?
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Then they have this this little subplot that it's taking
over your brain and you're getting a migraine? What was
the deal with that? Yeah? That was him, his influence
just overall.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Why but he was getting Yeah, I don't know, because
they didn't get possessed until they put the black liquid
but then on their little symbol on their forehead.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
But then land and didn't it possessed? But he had
the mind but anybody he was.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
But he was fighting it because they have like that
close up of his handshaking and he's like, he's like,
so you're fighting good. Yeah, he's like fighting the possession,
good bro. And he's like, yes, he doesn't actually break
it either. It doesn't come out of the trans until
those statue is broken.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
But the other guys didn't. The other guys fought back, remember.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
And then those guys are just bad dudes and not landing.
Everyone in that fraternity, all of them are okay with
the actions that are being uh I guess yeah put forward,
which he hate movies like this. Bad men exist, all right,
guys like Brian fucking exists, not.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
All men, But did you just not all meant me?
Did you just not all men me? But but for
real though, like they made it all meant you made it?
Speaker 4 (20:49):
The entire fraternity is scumbag fucking men. I don't think
it works that way. Do bad do douchebags like Brian exists? Absolutely,
But most men, like the men that I was an
attorney with, would fucking destroy a guy that did that.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
So that is the whole fraternity all scumbags. My favorite
part of the movie was at the end when she
threw the fire on to carry and he goes ah
with the robe and it just you went like this
to bring the fire up where you could just spend
like all right taking the robe off, but he goes ah,
(21:23):
fucking just really slowly just moves his hand over his
face like the fire is blinding him and not his
robe is on fire. Yeah, that was That was my
favorite part of the movie. I think I laughed.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
My favorite part of the movie, oh we talk about positives. Okay,
my favorite part of the movie. I like the song
I said that. Yeah, that was great, great performance there.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
I like.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
There are some shots in the movie that are pretty
It's a pretty good looking movie. Overall, I will say,
was a shot on film. I was thinking this for
what this is. This was the nerd part of me looking.
There were some shots where it was lower lighting, and
I've never seen a film looks like brainy in specifically
(22:08):
dark areas. It was like watching a low budget short film.
Sometimes I was like, man, if they shot on film,
that's just natural film grain. But if they shot on digital,
then it's just amateur lighting. But then they have some
really great shots.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
So I don't know, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
I also wanted to note that the Sorority House again
I forgot when there's some sort of Theta something. I
don't remember, beta beta something.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
They they have a great house.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
True, true, it's Boba jealous jealous of that house.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
One thing that I didn't remember, and upon watching, was like,
what the fuck is the ending right where it literally
cuts to her just staring and then it just cuts
so where did I watch this. I watched this on
Max HBO Max formerly known as and so there's ads.
I because you know, I'm not fucking rich. I can't
(23:10):
pay for the d free, so I had ads pop
up at certain points in the movie. AD played right
at the end there, so she's staring and then boom
three ads play, you know, sixty seconds and then it
cut the credits. I'm like, oh, it skipped ahead and
I skipped back. I'm like, oh no, it didn't, just
straight up done, cut the black credits done. I'm like, there, wait,
(23:34):
you don't really get any closure for I guess the point,
how don't I actually don't. I don't get that point.
I mean with our previous Black Christmases ringing wing, Yeah,
always ending on a lease. Yeah. But it's just yep,
that's it, We're done. I don't know it. It was
(23:55):
really hard. When I was thinking about rating this, I
was like, ooh, it's really bad. I mean is it
is one of the worst worst written movies I've I've
ever seen, truly taking out any woke talk.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
It is bad characters, no plot, one of the dumbest
to it. And then again, this is supposed to be
It's a slasher. It's supposed to be a slasher. It's
what started the slasher genre arguably, So how can you
do something so stupid?
Speaker 1 (24:30):
And why?
Speaker 4 (24:31):
So camp she goes to camp security. At one point,
Riley goes to Camp Security Campus Security and says, I
am getting these weird dms. One of our friends is missing.
Security guard just like completely dismisses it. They go to
Deeke to they go knock on the door there see
if anyone's there, and then nobody answers. He's like, Okay,
(24:52):
I guess that's it, and security guard is gone. But
what I don't get is how there was no police
or security involvement an earlier time, because we're if all
of these sororities are being attacked, which we have to
assume that it was for every single person that went
missing or was attacked within Riley's sorority, we have to
(25:14):
assume that someone else was attacked within another sorority.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
There were quite a few objects on that altar at
the end.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Yeah, if you look at the list that Riley sees
Carrie holding, there's a lot.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yeah, there's like a hundred names on there. So okay,
so which I guess that those are from the petition,
which I assume as it went through all of them.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
So yeah, yeah, and yeah, So I don't get how
did they not get reports taken seriously earlier we.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Have all these men going around in mask that is
that just the theme again, just don't believe women? Was that?
Speaker 4 (25:52):
I mean, that was certainly something that was being pushed
here that men don't believe women like and false accusations
are being cleaned that kind of craph But I just I.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
There's not real that's not a realistic response. If there
was that many missing, they wouldn't say it's probably you
buoy friends. Right.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
The amount of I totally get in terms of sexual
assaults being reported that are completely dismissed, Yeah, that sort
of happens a lot. But it's yeah, you're taking that
little point. This is this is not saying that they
they they're kind of writing it like they have a
point they're trying to make, like an agenda. I don't
like that word has like a negative tone to it,
(26:37):
but it's like they're trying to say something about something.
But really it feels like the only reason they introduced, Hey,
nobody believed her in her The sexual star story at
Brian was because we want to make sure no one
believes anybody when it comes to these dudes in mass
shooting bow and arrows and people like, it's just weird.
It doesn't feel like a story driver. It feels like, hey,
(27:00):
here's this is us tying loose ends right, And I
don't like that it's so dumb.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Yeah that it was tough. It was. It was. It
was actually a tough watch. And there hasn't been a
tough watch for me recently that I can remember. It's
been a long time.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Yeah, it's it's brutal, is really bad, but I'm not
I didn't get as mad watching it, so that reason
them to give to three.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
I think I gave six or two so uh out
of ten out of ten, yeah, I uh, this is
the first I think the first movie or second movie.
I think I gave a one and a half star
is yeah, so so three honestly two and a half
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two and a half stars.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
For me, I think it's got a three point five
and ID be.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Yeah, I pulled that up three point five on im
to be forty percent on Rotten Tomatoes. So how does
it have a forty that's from critics? I assume loading
forty from critics and thirty one from audience. How does
it have forty from critics though? Like where one hundred
and fourteen reviews from critics? What are the good ones?
I don't.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
I don't get how anyone could watch like they have
to be like, this movie's dogshit, but I found entertainment
value in it. So here's a tomato. It's not rotten.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Fish. Well, this person said, if you are devoted to
the original, you will not appreciate this new vision and
how it telegraphs its themes.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
See that therein, I think lies the problem because there's
no conclusion to any of these themes at all. Watch
a movie that that talks about these topics well, and
you'll realize how awful this is.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Yet some of these reviews, I just don't agree with
the reasoning behind reviewing any movie this way. What it was.
One of the reviews I read was like, there's no gore,
the pacing suits. This is a positive view. There's no gore,
the pacing's very slow, the character is not developed, but
it hit the message that it was supposed to. Four
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out of five I don't think it does. Agreed, I
really don't and I hate reviews like that. The movie
was absolutely dog shit, but I'm gonna give it a
four out of.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Five like that. That's like, that's the part. If anything
makes me mad this movie, it's that. It's like it's
trying to send a message, and I think it does
a piss poor job of doing it. They didn't get there.
They they took it, they blew it up bigger than
it needed to be, and they never closed it.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah, it's it's no they're like, holy shit, look at this,
Holy shit, look at this done. Like you didn't wrap
it up. Man, other than destroying the.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
Cult, it's all mixed into some fucking dumb ass with.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Bulls it is. It's really bad man. Yeah, it was
a really bad movie. Again, my brain just yeah blocked
it out because washing it right when it came out,
didn't remember a lick of it, and and yeah, it
was really bad. I I read through a couple of
reviews that literally said the same thing, like dog shit movie.
(30:27):
Blah blah blah, no go or no, no, no good characters,
but they send a message. So I'm gonna give it
a positive tomato. Like you explained, it was bad man,
It's I mean I've Rotten Tomatoes is tough, of course,
because it's either it's either good or it's bad. Interesting.
(30:51):
I'm just I'm on, I'm reading. Yeah, but yeah, it's
I understand a giving doing a remake and having your
own take. But it's not a remake, it's not Black Christmas,
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name it something else, and well you're it's still a
terrible movie. So you're not not really helping yourself there,
I understand.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
So there was there was reviews in there about like
slicing the patriarchy, which I'm like, okay, hear that. Sure here,
that's what they're trying to do. But don't you think
the whole fucking thing gets like brutally dismissed when the patriarchy,
the realism surrounding the patriarchy that we're talking about in
this movie is gone. It's not existent because it's a
dumb ass cult with fucking ghost possession. So if you
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were to take that that one concept, take take the
cult and not make it so culty and not have
dumb ass ghost possession from a racist founder, if you
just take all of that away and like grounded more
in reality, I think you get the message across way clear.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Nothing about this movie is realistic. It's like, really, there
are some themes that that sure are do happen.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Yeah, it's like there are shit in here that is
a real topic that's hard to talk about.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Right, But I don't think. I don't think anyone's going
to break into the fraternity to stop some ghost possession
black magic shit to save the world. Yeah, that's what
I think ruins it. It's ah, I don't know, I
don't know. Maybe maybe you, I hate to say, make
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the movie longer, but you extend where they destroy the
statue and so they think everything's good, but then it
turns out that the message did get spread outside of
this one fraternity, and so now they have to stop
something again.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
I'd I think I would just remove all of the
ghost possession and bullshit and write better characters. It's like,
I don't know, maybe they were Maybe they were worried
about what we were talking about earlier, that it's all men
are bad. Maybe they were worried about people thinking that
in terms of the fraternity, like they want to do
the cult thing. They're running with the cult thing, but
(33:17):
they wanted to limit the bad people, the bad men,
to like three. So then they pushed the possession thing,
so that's like, well, those weren't actually it was not
all men are bad. Those guys were actually good dudes.
They were they were just possessed by a bad dude.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Honestly, doesn't make it any better.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
I don't know what the goal was, but that's seriously,
is kind of just what throws it all in its
head is it doesn't It doesn't really make any sense.
So you kind of turn you kind of turn your
important message into a joke. I guess that's kind of
where I'm getting at here.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
I could see that. Yeah, it's bad. It was. It
was really rough to get through. These topics are too
serious for me anyway. If I want to watch a
bad horror movie, I wanted to be bad for other reasons. Yeah, yeah, like,
I don't know, can we get a rated r uh
really bad movie? Wait, at least there's like some some blood,
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some some creative kills.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
I thought you're gonna say tits, which would have been
funny because I would totally be against everything.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Why would I ever say that? No? No yet, Yeah,
really bad movie. Sorry at all you enjoyers. They can't
be many out there. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
I'm gonna go watch O six again.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
I'm not gonna watch OH six or this one probably
ever again. I will stick with seventy four and only
seventy four.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Here on out. I've learned my lesson, I've reviewed them.
What uh what should we do? Uh? Whoul we do?
Starting in January? Know, Sara Tu Fair That's what's on
my mind. Isn't wolf Man in January two? I thought
I saw some trailers for that.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
M I don't think so, because isn't uh uh Cronin
doing one January seventeenth? What is what is Cronin doing?
What was Lee Cronin doing the Mummy?
Speaker 1 (35:22):
The Mummy? Right? Another? This is Leewanell January seventeen, le
wolf Man. Yeah, I was gonna say, because I know
we were we were talking about maybe like in January
doing like twenty twenty four reviews that we missed because
we took a little break. But but there is some
some horror coming out uh the end of this month
(35:44):
here when knows Fara Tu and then uh and then
in January and you know January horror. It's either get
out or it's I'm trying to think of the worst
one I could think of January release slenner Man or
slight Yeah, we either get get Out, Suicide Forest.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
That's up there too, right, we get we get get
out or slender Man.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Is it called suicide Forest or its called the forest
about the suicide Forests? You don't remember because it's that bad.
I don't remember because that's up the slender Man. There's
some other one. But yeah, yeah, we got No Satu,
we got wolf Man talk about in January. What else?
What else? Let us know.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Yes, I wanted to go see Nosarachu on Christmas, but
my wife is working. So if if I were to
ghost No Sacha, abandon my son and.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
I'm not doing that on Christmas. But the next day
I'll bandon. Oh yeah, I'm just kidding. I don't know.
I don't know what I'm doing. I don't know. Maybe
I doubt we can see it before the end of
the year or get a review. Both see it and
get a review out by the end of the year.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
We'll see see what the schedule opens up.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
We'll see if if you're a member on YouTube, you
get the summit that we go through what we're talking about.
And we still don't know yet. Mine in a week.
Why don't we do the summit? We are back. I
don't know if we established that in our comeback episode here,
We're back. We are so back. Well we make air
of the count.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Yeah, oh what didn't the four episodes of a month
kind of give it away?
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Season four? Go Trump, It's good to be here. We
are so back. We got to pick a slightly better
movie for the next one. Yeah, yeah, we need to
have some fun.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
You have some fun. I'm sick of watching bad movies. Yeah,
that's it. That's Black Christmas twenty nineteen kind of do
doo wouldn't recommend, No, just go watch the original. Hope
you all had a wonderful holiday. If you're listening on
to holiday, that's kind of cool. Appreciate that. If you're
listening to us on Christmas, that actually means enough for
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you to listen on Christmas or Christmas Eve, that's kind
of cool.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Chris, Christmas Day being on a Wednesday, you know some
people have to go back to work on the twenty
six on Thursday and work Thursday Friday, So maybe you're
listening to us on the on the car ride to your.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Work, which case, Hope you here, great Christmas maybe.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
You're listening at work, maybe you're off work and you're
still listening. No matter what, I appreciate you. Yeah. Uh,
happy holidays. Happy holidays, folks. Here's the twenty twenty five.
Let's go. Hope it's not due too Yeah. Well, we'll
talk about yours resolutions next week.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
Yeah all right, Well with that as always, thank you
guys so much for listening, and we'll talk to you
next time.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Bye.
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Speaker 1 (00:47):
We are your host. My name is Riley, my name
is Nick. Hey, here we are.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
It's Christmas Day, or if you remember, it's Christmas Eve.
By the way we're recording this. It is one forty
three but one four four am on Christmas Eve.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
So yeah, we got busy.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Mary Chrysler, Yeah yeah, it's been insane. So many people around.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Too many, so much work to do, too many.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Oh, way too many, brother way too many. Not a fan,
but you know what, you know, what's really is gonna
make my Christmas so much better? Watching Black Christmas twenty nineteen,
because it's one of the best movies I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Mm hmmm, it's got to be.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
One of the best remakes of all time and it
should be respected as such.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yeah, I completely agree. It's Is it not registered in
the for preservation now yet? Is there? There must be
a minimum time limit for that?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Then it probably actually is a minimum time Well, first
ballot speut Hall of Fame. Black Christmas twenty nineteen. This movie.
You know, we went pretty hard in Black Christmas two
thousand and six last week, and I still think rightfully
so because the difference between that movie and this movie
(02:15):
is that movie was trying to be Black Christmas nineteen
seventy four. He was trying to be Billy and bring
in the Agnes story and do all of that, the
phone calls, et cetera. It just was, you know, downright
disrespectful and dog shit. This movie does nothing except title
at Black Christmas.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yeah, I called for a missing person. We're looking for
Billy William William. If you will he yeah he If
you say Piggy, piggy'll he'll come after you. He's missing,
He's gone. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
This movie is none of that. No Billy, no Agnes,
no serial killer, no slasher. It's nothing like that at all.
And something about this movie I just went to a
dark hole in my brain and disappeared. Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
I remember watching it shortly after it came out, maybe
like I don't know, a couple months after it came
out on VOD. Yeah, and I just didn't remember a
lick of it. Yeah, and I wish. I I'm glad
I didn't because I wish it wasn't back in my brain.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Yeah, I went. I mean I remembered. I was like, okay,
men suck, no billy, those are the things I remembered.
I was like, okay, but I can go with that.
I hate the term woke, I really do. I hate it,
and I never like a lot of movies that people
have been offended by don't bother me, like, for example,
Detections a Masker twenty twenty two. That one got thrown
(03:52):
around super woke, YadA YadA.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I think even though they were making fun of it.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Well, that's the thing, because you usually movies like this
that you know, I don't want to say, our agenda pushing,
but this one's not very subtle. Oh yeah, but yeah,
where they're kind of like they're trying to discuss a
real thing, which is what horror movies do.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
By the way, that's why don't get offended by it. Yeah,
i mean Black Christmas talked about abortion. Yeah back in
the seventies. Yeah, this is what horror does.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
It throws real world topics in your face, and it
does it in kind of a different way. The Texans
a masker, I mean is basically like a shot at
the Vietnam War you have and just you know America
in general in the seventies you have things a candy
man taking a shot at the streets of Chicago and
(04:42):
how awful the city handles those like there are so
many of these movies are talking about real world topics
while being entertaining and kind of tucking you down to
the horror genres and escape.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Still they were themes, they were, yeah, they were not
the plot.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Yeah, so it's nothing new, something new that this is happening.
It's just a little more on the nose in some
of these movies. So that's why TCM twenty twenty you
didn't bother me, because it did it. It addressed certain
issues of today, but then it turned it on its
head a little bit, and it allowed them to allowed
both sides to be made fun of on the topic,
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you know, whether side he landed on. Both sides kind
of got their their shots in and laughed at and
I don't know, I just didn't. I never found the
movie very offensive per se. This this movie. I kept
waiting for the punchline. I really did. I was like,
because the opening in and all of that, and as
we can get introduced with characters and kind of where
(05:39):
we're going at here, I was like, Okay, at some
point this is gonna turn on its head and we're
gonna be like, oh, not all men are bad or
something like that. Like it's gonna turn on its head
and we're gonna see both sides of the issue. And
it just doesn't happen. I thought it was for a
little bit there, and it just doesn't happen. It's it's
such it's a movie. It's the most on the nose
(06:01):
movie I've ever seen where it's like men suck ass,
girl power.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yeah, I mean obviously like Black Christmas had like those
themes like these women. Some made it out, most didn't. Yeah,
and that's the whole point of you know, Slashers true
Slashers is you know, final girl. Yeah, womanwer power to you,
strong independent woman.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
I don't this is not the genre where you need.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
To do that. No, So I don't get it.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
I don't get why this movie felt is like this
is the one We're gonna let women be dominant in
this movie. It's like we've been doing that for fifty years.
Why is it now if you keep a couple more alive?
I don't get it, because like these movies always end
with the woman on top and the man fallen, like
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that is always how it goes.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
And I don't know, it's just this.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Isn't really the genre that discriminates in such a way
like that, right, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
I mean also, I mean, I know we're talking about
the way it ends, but like the the the creepiness
of Black Christmas, even though the original Ando six even yeah,
this could happen to you, Yeah, this is this movie
is fucking stupid. This movie I'm gonna I'm gonna say it.
It's not gonna happen there. I don't think this is no,
(07:23):
I know this is not gonna happen to you.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
And when you kind of finished a movie and you're
like what did just happen? Because you just can't believe
that the direction it goes, so yeah, uh yeah. So
aside from all the hey men, sucks of this and bye,
by the way, this movie has two white men. Is
really hard to talk about because you don't want to
be a prick, but you're like, dude, this is the
movie where I think everyone kind of agreed, like.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
All right, this is fucking stupid. Yeah, this is stupid, and.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
It's it sucks because every once in a while you
see a moment where it's like, oh, now we're getting interested.
I thought the song that the song they performed, you
know and taking a shot out of deec I thought
it was funny. I thought it was really well done.
So I was like I was kind of in with it.
It's like, yeah, fuck those frat boys, and somebody was
in a fraternity, Fuck those frat boys and kind of
(08:14):
getting back them. So you're kind of there's a moment
in there where it's like you think they're going in
the right direction, you're on their side, and it just
keeps getting weirder and weirder. Then they start getting shitty
with each other and I'm like, I'm who am I
rooting for here, who am I supposed to like? Right,
It's it's weird, especially because the movie doesn't If it
was only Riley who we were rooting for. I think
(08:34):
she's relatively likable. She they try, the most developed character
of the movie at least. Yeah, but you're supposed to
root for all of these chicks and it doesn't. I
don't know, they get to there's just like this, you know,
the big badass chick moment, but it doesn't. I don't know,
it doesn't hit because you're like they started turning on
(08:56):
each other, like she didn't believe Riley. What's her face?
Chris didn't believe Riley?
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Right? Yeah it Yeah, I mean this movie one of
the worst written movies I think I've ever watched. Yeah,
not taking not saying you know, woke bad equals bad,
I'm saying genuinely like, no character development. Yeah, the the twist,
(09:25):
I guess the reason behind it all lazy bad, just bad,
like aside from and it's not Black Christmas.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
But yeah, the fact that they have the nerve you
can put Roy Moore's name under the writing credits is
fucking disrespectful, Like you did nothing except have sorority Girls
and title of Black Christmas. There are no other similarities.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
The one kill with the bag over the head, the.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Bag over the head, the rocking chair in the attic,
the the one phone call from the mom, which that
was like it was just like two thousand and six
where it was like, ugh, you see what we did,
like with the glass glass unicorns, like, uh, you see it.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
It's like we got it in there.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
It's the same thing they had, Like the phone call
from uh, I think it was hell on his mom
or just someone's mom calling Riley and it's the phone
call starts off like staticky and it sounds like Billy
for a moment, so it kind of has that original
sound from the film and it yeah, and then oh.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Thank god, it finally got through. Hey, I'm just calling
to see where my daughter is.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Yeah, so they they know what they're doing. It's at
some point they're trying to you know, like I said,
the rocking chair in the attic, and it had moments
where they were trying to have cute little Easter X.
But since the movie has zero to do with the
original and it was stupid and it sucks because this
movie coming out in twenty nineteen following it's a Plumbhouse film,
(10:59):
and follows Halloween twenty eighteen. You come in with high
hopes that Blumhouse might get it, they might get these franchises,
and to do something so goddamn disrespectful to the original
is sough.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Yeah, it's so domad.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
But yeah, I aside from all the characters sucking men,
suck all that crap, the twist in itself is so
I'm glad I forgot it because watching it again, I
was like, holy shit, that's right. We are talking about
fucking ghost possession in this movie. I totally forgot about it,
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which is why last week I was like, twenty nineteen
can't be as bad as this. No, it absolutely can,
because it doesn't make I don't know which twist is worse,
ghost possession or incests.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
If we're talking Black Christmas, it's ghost possession. Dude. Let
me read you cult bullshit.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Let me read you this wiki paragraph because I think
if you haven't seen the movie before, it's just funny.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
So, uh, Riley and Chris escape in Nate's car, and
Riley theorized that Hawthorne who.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Which is the college? Hawthorne College?
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Uh, and it's forgot the dude's first names something Hawthorne,
I don't even remember, sort of the sea. I think
this is that tard Carter Carter, Calvin Calvin Hawthorne, who
apparently is a racist piece of shit, owned slaves, lived
in the North, that kind of thing. Pre uh, but
(12:36):
they yeah, Hawthorne College. Apparently he was known for practicing
black magic, That's what Riley theorizes and responsible for the
murders via his bust, which emits black liquid. Chris suggests
they go to the police, but Riley demands they go
to the frattnity and the two separate. Riley and liss
Landon to help her enter the fraternity. Chris discovers Lindsay
(12:59):
Crotisys is also being attacked by Deeke and rescues them
at the Deek House of frat brothers Forstlane to become
a pledge. Raley discovers Helena, who is tied up after
being not unconscious by a DEEC member. Helena is secretly
working with Attorney and stolenes from my sisters and allowed
to possess pledges to locate their targets. Helena's murdered before
Christ but okay, more of the story ghost Possession. I practiced,
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Hawthorne practiced black magic, and now his bust, which by
the way, used to be a public bust.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
And then it was in a basement.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Yeah, it was put into the deek basement to their
pledge or whatever be their chapter room meeting room after
a petition was signed to have removed because he was
a fucking racist douchebag. So what before that happened.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Did he emit black boss was oozing black slime? Oh wait,
it always did that.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
What if if it's the power lies within the bust?
Did they just like take it once a year? Maybe
that was that?
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Ever said, I don't know if Carrie the professor, he
explained it that like they just left notes and they
were found by because the fraternity that was doing this
cult spirit possession thing was the founder's fraternity. Yes, so
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they left them notes but didn't find it until twenty nineteen.
I don't.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Also the movie, you know, it's like the whole concept
because the list they cave because it wasn't just whatever
sorority Riley and Cris's sorority being attacked here by the
Deep fraternity and this whole possession thing. It was all
of the sororities on camp, all the women who would
(15:02):
not bow down to men were put on a list,
and then they were being attacked by possessed pledges of
this fraternity. Yes, so there's a whole bunch of them,
a whole bunch of these and not and they were
being murdered.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yeah, what in what world is this gonna fly? I
don't understand.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
What after they comeback to the winter break in half
of the female population on campus has been murdered? Is
just gonna get away with it? What was the goal?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Right it? Yeah? Just again nothing made sense. Very poorly
written movie.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Do you remember when the trailers came out for this movie?
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Mm hmm. Do you ever when it revealed in the
trailer that Carrie was guilty? Yeah, yeah, we're like, oh,
all right, at least at least of them doing that.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
You know from the trailer that this is a different movie, right,
but yeah, they literally show him in the freaking robe
in that final room, all of that.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
It's it's right in the first trailer. Yeah, it was
damn it Carrie. Yeah, which, yeah, so the founder left
notes on for the future on how to bring him back,
and somehow it was relayed to him like, hey, we're
(16:33):
only going to kill these women because they they made
a petition to get me fired because I I for
even forget that sexually assaulted or was it, I don't
even the well, he.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
The reason they wanted him to be fired was because
he only used his curriculum was only rolled white.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Men, right, so you know that was that was his
motive because women, We're going to kill these women because
they're not obedient, because they want me fired. And also
this guy raped a sorority girl, so we need to
get women to bow down to us. So let's get
(17:15):
the possessed, use the black magic that was you know,
the instruction manual was left for us, and then let's
get him in here and he can kill these women
so that they'll be obedient, and then yeah, then we'll
just get away with that fter Christ.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
It's interesting how long they go with not making it
clear as day that Riley was actually assaulted by Brigan. Brian, Yeah,
it was kind of like there are so many times
they like remind you because then then Chris not believing Riley,
(17:51):
which I thought that was a right.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
You were here the whole time, you were supporting her.
The whole time.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Yeah, she didn't believe her. And then there were certain
lines throughout like Brian, Brian would never do this, and
even Brian saying, you dug you know my name through
the mud for nothing, just for attention. I'm like, did
are you saying you didn't do it? What are you
trying to tell me here? Writers? But then it was
like then you're getting actual flashbacks and ship and I'm like,
(18:19):
what is.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
She She's yeah, I wasn't awake for it, so it
was assault or rape and which yes, yeah of course,
but but then yeah, then he's like, I didn't do it,
I'm innocent, innocent, wasn't me?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Sid?
Speaker 4 (18:38):
I just thought it was weird that they constantly kind
of kept saying that throughout the movie that it didn't happen,
because it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
It wasn't just the person a Q or that was accused,
being like, WHOA wasn't me? I didn't do it? It
was yeah, like even her sorority sisters were not so sure.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Yeah, it's just weird to me. Yeah, It's like, don't
don't you want to spend Rally's side this whole time?
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Right? Uh?
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Yeah, this is one of those movies it's kind of
like I said, it's already hard to talk about, and
there's nothing going on until the end, like the there's
there's no good kills.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Is this a Peachy thirteen movie? Yes, yep, it's PG.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
I like I could feel that because it just Diz.
There's no real gore at all, and what who what's
about the one boyfriend?
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Then they have this this little subplot that it's taking
over your brain and you're getting a migraine? What was
the deal with that? Yeah? That was him, his influence
just overall.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Why but he was getting Yeah, I don't know, because
they didn't get possessed until they put the black liquid
but then on their little symbol on their forehead.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
But then land and didn't it possessed? But he had
the mind but anybody he was.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
But he was fighting it because they have like that
close up of his handshaking and he's like, he's like,
so you're fighting good. Yeah, he's like fighting the possession,
good bro. And he's like, yes, he doesn't actually break
it either. It doesn't come out of the trans until
those statue is broken.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
But the other guys didn't. The other guys fought back, remember.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
And then those guys are just bad dudes and not landing.
Everyone in that fraternity, all of them are okay with
the actions that are being uh I guess yeah put forward,
which he hate movies like this. Bad men exist, all right,
guys like Brian fucking exists, not.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
All men, But did you just not all meant me?
Did you just not all men me? But but for
real though, like they made it all meant you made it?
Speaker 4 (20:49):
The entire fraternity is scumbag fucking men. I don't think
it works that way. Do bad do douchebags like Brian exists? Absolutely,
But most men, like the men that I was an
attorney with, would fucking destroy a guy that did that.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
So that is the whole fraternity all scumbags. My favorite
part of the movie was at the end when she
threw the fire on to carry and he goes ah
with the robe and it just you went like this
to bring the fire up where you could just spend
like all right taking the robe off, but he goes ah,
(21:23):
fucking just really slowly just moves his hand over his
face like the fire is blinding him and not his
robe is on fire. Yeah, that was That was my
favorite part of the movie. I think I laughed.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
My favorite part of the movie, oh we talk about positives. Okay,
my favorite part of the movie. I like the song
I said that. Yeah, that was great, great performance there.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
I like.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
There are some shots in the movie that are pretty
It's a pretty good looking movie. Overall, I will say,
was a shot on film. I was thinking this for
what this is. This was the nerd part of me looking.
There were some shots where it was lower lighting, and
I've never seen a film looks like brainy in specifically
(22:08):
dark areas. It was like watching a low budget short film.
Sometimes I was like, man, if they shot on film,
that's just natural film grain. But if they shot on digital,
then it's just amateur lighting. But then they have some
really great shots.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
So I don't know, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
I also wanted to note that the Sorority House again
I forgot when there's some sort of Theta something. I
don't remember, beta beta something.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
They they have a great house.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
True, true, it's Boba jealous jealous of that house.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
One thing that I didn't remember, and upon watching, was like,
what the fuck is the ending right where it literally
cuts to her just staring and then it just cuts
so where did I watch this. I watched this on
Max HBO Max formerly known as and so there's ads.
I because you know, I'm not fucking rich. I can't
(23:10):
pay for the d free, so I had ads pop
up at certain points in the movie. AD played right
at the end there, so she's staring and then boom
three ads play, you know, sixty seconds and then it
cut the credits. I'm like, oh, it skipped ahead and
I skipped back. I'm like, oh no, it didn't, just
straight up done, cut the black credits done. I'm like, there, wait,
(23:34):
you don't really get any closure for I guess the point,
how don't I actually don't. I don't get that point.
I mean with our previous Black Christmases ringing wing, Yeah,
always ending on a lease. Yeah. But it's just yep,
that's it, We're done. I don't know it. It was
(23:55):
really hard. When I was thinking about rating this, I
was like, ooh, it's really bad. I mean is it
is one of the worst worst written movies I've I've
ever seen, truly taking out any woke talk.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
It is bad characters, no plot, one of the dumbest
to it. And then again, this is supposed to be
It's a slasher. It's supposed to be a slasher. It's
what started the slasher genre arguably, So how can you
do something so stupid?
Speaker 1 (24:30):
And why?
Speaker 4 (24:31):
So camp she goes to camp security. At one point,
Riley goes to Camp Security Campus Security and says, I
am getting these weird dms. One of our friends is missing.
Security guard just like completely dismisses it. They go to
Deeke to they go knock on the door there see
if anyone's there, and then nobody answers. He's like, Okay,
(24:52):
I guess that's it, and security guard is gone. But
what I don't get is how there was no police
or security involvement an earlier time, because we're if all
of these sororities are being attacked, which we have to
assume that it was for every single person that went
missing or was attacked within Riley's sorority, we have to
(25:14):
assume that someone else was attacked within another sorority.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
There were quite a few objects on that altar at
the end.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Yeah, if you look at the list that Riley sees
Carrie holding, there's a lot.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yeah, there's like a hundred names on there. So okay,
so which I guess that those are from the petition,
which I assume as it went through all of them.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
So yeah, yeah, and yeah, So I don't get how
did they not get reports taken seriously earlier we.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Have all these men going around in mask that is
that just the theme again, just don't believe women? Was that?
Speaker 4 (25:52):
I mean, that was certainly something that was being pushed
here that men don't believe women like and false accusations
are being cleaned that kind of craph But I just I.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
There's not real that's not a realistic response. If there
was that many missing, they wouldn't say it's probably you
buoy friends. Right.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
The amount of I totally get in terms of sexual
assaults being reported that are completely dismissed, Yeah, that sort
of happens a lot. But it's yeah, you're taking that
little point. This is this is not saying that they
they they're kind of writing it like they have a
point they're trying to make, like an agenda. I don't
like that word has like a negative tone to it,
(26:37):
but it's like they're trying to say something about something.
But really it feels like the only reason they introduced, Hey,
nobody believed her in her The sexual star story at
Brian was because we want to make sure no one
believes anybody when it comes to these dudes in mass
shooting bow and arrows and people like, it's just weird.
It doesn't feel like a story driver. It feels like, hey,
(27:00):
here's this is us tying loose ends right, And I
don't like that it's so dumb.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Yeah that it was tough. It was. It was. It
was actually a tough watch. And there hasn't been a
tough watch for me recently that I can remember. It's
been a long time.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Yeah, it's it's brutal, is really bad, but I'm not
I didn't get as mad watching it, so that reason
them to give to three.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
I think I gave six or two so uh out
of ten out of ten, yeah, I uh, this is
the first I think the first movie or second movie.
I think I gave a one and a half star
is yeah, so so three honestly two and a half
(27:56):
two and a half stars.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
For me, I think it's got a three point five
and ID be.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Yeah, I pulled that up three point five on im
to be forty percent on Rotten Tomatoes. So how does
it have a forty that's from critics? I assume loading
forty from critics and thirty one from audience. How does
it have forty from critics though? Like where one hundred
and fourteen reviews from critics? What are the good ones?
I don't.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
I don't get how anyone could watch like they have
to be like, this movie's dogshit, but I found entertainment
value in it. So here's a tomato. It's not rotten.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Fish. Well, this person said, if you are devoted to
the original, you will not appreciate this new vision and
how it telegraphs its themes.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
See that therein, I think lies the problem because there's
no conclusion to any of these themes at all. Watch
a movie that that talks about these topics well, and
you'll realize how awful this is.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Yet some of these reviews, I just don't agree with
the reasoning behind reviewing any movie this way. What it was.
One of the reviews I read was like, there's no gore,
the pacing suits. This is a positive view. There's no gore,
the pacing's very slow, the character is not developed, but
it hit the message that it was supposed to. Four
(29:22):
out of five I don't think it does. Agreed, I
really don't and I hate reviews like that. The movie
was absolutely dog shit, but I'm gonna give it a
four out of.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Five like that. That's like, that's the part. If anything
makes me mad this movie, it's that. It's like it's
trying to send a message, and I think it does
a piss poor job of doing it. They didn't get there.
They they took it, they blew it up bigger than
it needed to be, and they never closed it.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah, it's it's no they're like, holy shit, look at this,
Holy shit, look at this done. Like you didn't wrap
it up. Man, other than destroying the.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
Cult, it's all mixed into some fucking dumb ass with.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Bulls it is. It's really bad man. Yeah, it was
a really bad movie. Again, my brain just yeah blocked
it out because washing it right when it came out,
didn't remember a lick of it, and and yeah, it
was really bad. I I read through a couple of
reviews that literally said the same thing, like dog shit movie.
(30:27):
Blah blah blah, no go or no, no, no good characters,
but they send a message. So I'm gonna give it
a positive tomato. Like you explained, it was bad man,
It's I mean I've Rotten Tomatoes is tough, of course,
because it's either it's either good or it's bad. Interesting.
(30:51):
I'm just I'm on, I'm reading. Yeah, but yeah, it's
I understand a giving doing a remake and having your
own take. But it's not a remake, it's not Black Christmas,
(31:13):
name it something else, and well you're it's still a
terrible movie. So you're not not really helping yourself there,
I understand.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
So there was there was reviews in there about like
slicing the patriarchy, which I'm like, okay, hear that. Sure here,
that's what they're trying to do. But don't you think
the whole fucking thing gets like brutally dismissed when the patriarchy,
the realism surrounding the patriarchy that we're talking about in
this movie is gone. It's not existent because it's a
dumb ass cult with fucking ghost possession. So if you
(31:46):
were to take that that one concept, take take the
cult and not make it so culty and not have
dumb ass ghost possession from a racist founder, if you
just take all of that away and like grounded more
in reality, I think you get the message across way clear.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Nothing about this movie is realistic. It's like, really, there
are some themes that that sure are do happen.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Yeah, it's like there are shit in here that is
a real topic that's hard to talk about.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Right, But I don't think. I don't think anyone's going
to break into the fraternity to stop some ghost possession
black magic shit to save the world. Yeah, that's what
I think ruins it. It's ah, I don't know, I
don't know. Maybe maybe you, I hate to say, make
(32:41):
the movie longer, but you extend where they destroy the
statue and so they think everything's good, but then it
turns out that the message did get spread outside of
this one fraternity, and so now they have to stop
something again.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
I'd I think I would just remove all of the
ghost possession and bullshit and write better characters. It's like,
I don't know, maybe they were Maybe they were worried
about what we were talking about earlier, that it's all men
are bad. Maybe they were worried about people thinking that
in terms of the fraternity, like they want to do
the cult thing. They're running with the cult thing, but
(33:17):
they wanted to limit the bad people, the bad men,
to like three. So then they pushed the possession thing,
so that's like, well, those weren't actually it was not
all men are bad. Those guys were actually good dudes.
They were they were just possessed by a bad dude.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Honestly, doesn't make it any better.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
I don't know what the goal was, but that's seriously,
is kind of just what throws it all in its
head is it doesn't It doesn't really make any sense.
So you kind of turn you kind of turn your
important message into a joke. I guess that's kind of
where I'm getting at here.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
I could see that. Yeah, it's bad. It was. It
was really rough to get through. These topics are too
serious for me anyway. If I want to watch a
bad horror movie, I wanted to be bad for other reasons. Yeah, yeah, like,
I don't know, can we get a rated r uh
really bad movie? Wait, at least there's like some some blood,
(34:13):
some some creative kills.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
I thought you're gonna say tits, which would have been
funny because I would totally be against everything.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Why would I ever say that? No? No yet, Yeah,
really bad movie. Sorry at all you enjoyers. They can't
be many out there. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
I'm gonna go watch O six again.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
I'm not gonna watch OH six or this one probably
ever again. I will stick with seventy four and only
seventy four.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Here on out. I've learned my lesson, I've reviewed them.
What uh what should we do? Uh? Whoul we do?
Starting in January? Know, Sara Tu Fair That's what's on
my mind. Isn't wolf Man in January two? I thought
I saw some trailers for that.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
M I don't think so, because isn't uh uh Cronin
doing one January seventeenth? What is what is Cronin doing?
What was Lee Cronin doing the Mummy?
Speaker 1 (35:22):
The Mummy? Right? Another? This is Leewanell January seventeen, le
wolf Man. Yeah, I was gonna say, because I know
we were we were talking about maybe like in January
doing like twenty twenty four reviews that we missed because
we took a little break. But but there is some
some horror coming out uh the end of this month
(35:44):
here when knows Fara Tu and then uh and then
in January and you know January horror. It's either get
out or it's I'm trying to think of the worst
one I could think of January release slenner Man or
slight Yeah, we either get get Out, Suicide Forest.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
That's up there too, right, we get we get get
out or slender Man.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Is it called suicide Forest or its called the forest
about the suicide Forests? You don't remember because it's that bad.
I don't remember because that's up the slender Man. There's
some other one. But yeah, yeah, we got No Satu,
we got wolf Man talk about in January. What else?
What else? Let us know.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Yes, I wanted to go see Nosarachu on Christmas, but
my wife is working. So if if I were to
ghost No Sacha, abandon my son and.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
I'm not doing that on Christmas. But the next day
I'll bandon. Oh yeah, I'm just kidding. I don't know.
I don't know what I'm doing. I don't know. Maybe
I doubt we can see it before the end of
the year or get a review. Both see it and
get a review out by the end of the year.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
We'll see see what the schedule opens up.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
We'll see if if you're a member on YouTube, you
get the summit that we go through what we're talking about.
And we still don't know yet. Mine in a week.
Why don't we do the summit? We are back. I
don't know if we established that in our comeback episode here,
We're back. We are so back. Well we make air
of the count.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Yeah, oh what didn't the four episodes of a month
kind of give it away?
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Season four? Go Trump, It's good to be here. We
are so back. We got to pick a slightly better
movie for the next one. Yeah, yeah, we need to
have some fun.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
You have some fun. I'm sick of watching bad movies. Yeah,
that's it. That's Black Christmas twenty nineteen kind of do
doo wouldn't recommend, No, just go watch the original. Hope
you all had a wonderful holiday. If you're listening on
to holiday, that's kind of cool. Appreciate that. If you're
listening to us on Christmas, that actually means enough for
(37:54):
you to listen on Christmas or Christmas Eve, that's kind
of cool.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Chris, Christmas Day being on a Wednesday, you know some
people have to go back to work on the twenty
six on Thursday and work Thursday Friday, So maybe you're
listening to us on the on the car ride to your.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Work, which case, Hope you here, great Christmas maybe.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
You're listening at work, maybe you're off work and you're
still listening. No matter what, I appreciate you. Yeah. Uh,
happy holidays. Happy holidays, folks. Here's the twenty twenty five.
Let's go. Hope it's not due too Yeah. Well, we'll
talk about yours resolutions next week.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
Yeah all right, Well with that as always, thank you
guys so much for listening, and we'll talk to you
next time.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Bye.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Tone Hide your rise from the movie screen.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Tone votaries from the horror screen.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Holiday for Villains, Watch them take a ball.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
This lesher has no doubt delt Go all about to
make every death count
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