E142: Borderline (2025) | Spoiler Review & Discussion - Make Every Death Count

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Slashing Cast behind a master.

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All about till Make Every Death Count?

Speaker 1 (00:39):
What's happening? Love is what's going on. We're gonna get tropical.
We're gonna get tropical. Welcome back to another episode of
Make Every Death Count, brought to you by the Slash
and Cast podcast Network. We are your hosts. My name
is Riley, my name is Nick. Happy Saturday, folks. How
are you doing. How you feeling? Yeah? Fine? You have
a good week? Yeah yeah. Technically we haven't done an

(01:00):
episode in two weeks because last week released our interview
with the cast and crew of the Death of Snow White,
which is premiering in Hollywood right now, right now. As
a recording this it would be yesterday last night as
a time this is released. Yeah, pretty cool? Got a
IGN uh post that's big. IGN posted the trailer on

(01:23):
their channel Bloody Disgusting, shared it, and it's great timing
because it's a lot of a lot of controversy surrounding
Disney's snow White. Yes, yes, death of snow White's making
a mark as a result of that. It's a pretty genius,
you know. Sometimes you got to ride the hate waves.
But it's supposed to be nationwide theatrical release or released

(01:45):
as far as they can get as an independent movie.
And I really want to see in theaters. I want
to give them my money. Those are my friends, and
I want to support my friends. Yeah. It's kind of
cool seeing people that I have worked with so much
and talk to you so much get a spot like
that in IGN get some love. Yeah, hop it works out.

(02:08):
I hope that they make some real frickin money. That'd
be fun. Uh Yeah. Before we dive into things, you
watch anything this week? Anything exciting?

Speaker 4 (02:16):
So I'll quickly run through what I watched in the
last two weeks because I watched a lot. Yeah, and
I said it on I did lot. We said I
said it live. Okay, So I watched The Founder, the
right McDonald's movie, The Menu, yeah, because I was hungry
after watching The Founder.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
I don't know if the Menu is exactly satisfying your hunger. Although, dude,
that burger scene that is I'll get you going. It's
like ASMR. I watched watch Her m M pretty good
Friday thirteenth, Part five, yes saying we watch that. Our
commentary for that comes out today as well. Yep, yep,
So I watched The Watchers as well. It was pretty good.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
Woman of the Hour, the dating game Killer Oh with Kendrick. Yeah,
she directed it as well. Yeah, I've seen that.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yep. See for me.

Speaker 4 (03:06):
It's about a blind girl who uses an app to
video chat with someone so they see for her and
she's house sitting.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Wait, what did you give that? I gave it a
three and a half. Okay, I want to I want
to check that out. Sounds interesting. Yeah, house gets burglar
eyes while she's house sitting.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
She's blind. Uh yeah, I watch Abandoned with Emma Roberts. Yeah,
it was rough to get through. Tasha gave it a
half a star, right, I gave it two stars and
even then after thinking.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
About it, Mike on one and a half it was
really bad. I watched the.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
Woman in the window, not the woman in the yard, No,
the woman in the window with An Adams.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Oh, I've seen that too. It was okay, woman in
the window, she is stuck inside. She's scared of after
her family dies right, yes, in a car accident. Yes,
but that's not revealed till later. Oh ship.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
Yeah, and then she befriends a neighbor who then she
watches die and then it turns out that's not their neighbor.
Then I watched Borderline for this review, and then after
that I watched The Perfection twenty eighteen with Alison Williams.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
I feel like I've seen that too. It's Netflix.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
She's a shit a cello player. Oh oh oh, and
that's where like she she goes to the school. Yeah,
and then there's somebody else that's like famous now and yes, yes,
I have seen that.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
I think I told you to watch that. That movie,
I think you did. It was just twist after twists. Yeah,
that movie's bonkers. I liked it. I thought it was fine.
I gave it three stars. The ending has got kind
of a little bit of a jaw dropping ending. Yeah, yeah,
a little bit, oh my, but yeah, and then that's all. Uh,
that's all I watched in last two weeks. That was
a more productive list than mine. I watched some uh.

(04:50):
I think every movie I watched this week probably has
under a six rating across the board. Well, I finished
School Spirits for one, and I was mad at the
ending because I was worried they weren't gonna get renewed.
But it has been renewed now because the cliffhangers are dumb.
It was like the most unsatisfying ending to a season

(05:11):
I've seen on a show in a long time. It
is nothing.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
It is a paramount plus original, so they probably knew.
They're like, oh man, we gotta wait to confirm the
next season and just give them this big ass cliffhanger. Yeah,
it was.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
I wish they would have gave you some answer to
the forty questions they brought up, but whatever. I watched
port online, I watched Friday Part five, and then for
movie night, I watched The Condemned. Nice. We actually started
with Hard Eyes, so I watched Hard Eyes again. But
I've watched the condemn was still in Cold because that
was on three sixteen day. It was so we celebrated

(05:44):
the right way. And after that we watched the Superhero Movie.
I'm not worried any dude. That movie is still funny
as shit. Yeah, it it is pretty funny. Then we
watched Freaky so that one's probably over six people probably
give them and over six it's a pretty good flick. Yeah,
Vince fun great guy. True. And then I watched Taro

(06:06):
for the Rabbit and Red podcast. That movie sucks. That
movie sucks. It is still better than Nights one case
you're wondering another movie. It was made for eight million
dollars and made fifty million. So but it has like
some moments where it's very self aware and I like
it when it does that, it's like the tone is

(06:28):
That's what I would expect. And then it starts trying
too hard again, and then it sucks. And yeah, there's
another poorly written cheesy jump scare PG thirteen horror film. Sad,
that's why I made money. But speaking of tonal inconsistencies,
let's move on to our movie of the week. Huh.
Borderline just came out, I guess a couple of weeks ago.

(06:51):
Now it's in theaters and available on Apple TV, which
you can rent it for as low as seven dollars
on Apple TV. I didn't know you can do that.
That's nice. It's not like Amazon, where if a new
release force you just rented for twenty dollars. But yeah,
Apple TV let to get Borderline for seven dollars. And
it's about a bodyguard who is protecting a pop star

(07:14):
and her athlete boyfriend from a determined stalker in nineteen
nineties Los Angeles. Now that synopsis is the IMDb synopsis.
I think that's pretty inaccurate. That really it's about a
I mean, yes, a stalker. Sure, yes, a bodyguard is involved,

(07:35):
but the whole movie is really just it's kind of
like the Manson Family with comedy stalking a pop star. Yeah, yeah,
And I was really excited going into this movie. It
was written and directed by Jimmy Wharton, who wrote A Babysitter,
Babysitter Killer Queen and uh, what on he do? Cocaine Bear,

(07:55):
Cocaine Bear. That's yeah, that was an So you kind
of get the vibe that that Jimmy's going for, right.
Are you aware of who Jimmy's wife is? I think
I am. I think I saw that, but I don't
remember off the top of my head. It's Tomorrow Weaving.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
Yeah, yes, yeah, yeah, so that sounds I would explain
why she is starring in this flick. There was there
was someone else where. I'm like, uh, I was like,
oh yeah, I don't remember what movie that was. I
don't know if it was this one or another one. Yeah,
he is married to Tomorrow Weaving. Oh yes in this one.
Alba who plays Penny. Yeah, is Chris Evans's wife.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Oh that's nice.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
Yeah, that's that's who I was thinking about. You like
some freaky huh I guess so, hey, Chris, you like
him freaky. Ray Nicholson also stars in this, I say,
alongside Samorrow Weaving And yeah, it's because like the Babysitter
and Baby sayir Killer Queen not someone cocaine Bear was like,
it was fun, but it's not as.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
For me as the other stuff that Jimmy Warden has done.
So it's super excited for this film. It was it
seemed like it was gonna be over the top comedy. Yeah.
Ray Nicholson's great.

Speaker 4 (09:03):
So yeah, as soon as I heard about this, this
has been in like, this has been done for like
three years. Yeah, I think it was twenty twenty three.
It's post production. He's done in twenty early twenty twenty three. Yeah,
so it's been sitting for a while, been waiting for it.
And the trailer comes out. I'm like, I'm in.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
I'm still in. Yeah, And I think the trailer, the
trailer knows what it's trying to do. Yep. It is
very much leaning into the comedy. And every funny moment
in this movie with Ray Nicholson is in the trailer. Uh. Literally,
every good line that Ray has is in the trailer. Yeah,
and so that kind of ruins it. Uh So you're

(09:42):
you think it's going to lean into that comedy super
hard because they really leaned on it in the trailer,
and it this movie doesn't know what it wants to be. Yep,
it really doesn't. You You start off with Ray going
to the front door of the house and trying to
get to Tomorrow weaving because he is obsessed with her,

(10:02):
He's in love with her, and he has this delusion
that they are getting married. Yep. And you know he
comes face to face with the bodyguard and that whole
conversation feels pretty real.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
Yeah, he goes into that, you know, I needed it's
my house man, come on, let me in. We're getting married, remember, Yeah,
and then he just flips a switch and Belle, the
bodyguarden is like, no, you're not coming in and he
just flips that switch and is like, oh, you're here,
we're getting married. You are Sophia.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Yeah, because because Paul ray Nicholson's character Paul, he pulls
a knife and he's put it to his own neck Yep. Again,
very real and yeah, like Belle who's played by Eric Dane,
and Eric Dane's fantastic. He's good in this too, but
I have a one of my issues revolves around his
character in this movie. Yeah, he's very very real response

(11:03):
and does pretend to be Sophia as Paul requested, and
he's trying to talk him down and get the knife
out of his hand, and that it feels very real.
Yeah it is. We're full on thriller right now. Yeah,
it's not the comedy that you're expecting, which is fine,
that's cool if they're going to go that route. So

(11:25):
you'll get that, you'll get that very real feeling. And
then you'll have a scene where Sofia and Penny are
doing a sing along and they're covering music together and
there's like a gold spotlight coming down. It's very over
the top and funny and cheesy, and then all of
a sudden you flip back and it's the Manson family again.

(11:46):
It doesn't know what it wants to be, and it
really is distractingly inconsistent. Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
We went from one hundred percent or we went from
like fifty percent comedy to zero in the open, and
then right after he then stabs bell, we're at one
hundred percent comedies, dancing around playing music in the house,
in her house while she's gone, and then we flip
right back and we just back and forth one hundred

(12:13):
and a hundred and one hundred, one hundred.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yeah, it's it's distracting, it really is. It can't figure
out what it wants to be.

Speaker 4 (12:21):
Like even even I'm like, okay, this is what the
movie is. We're just gonna keep flip flopping back and forth.
You still don't get used to it. It's not something
that you can really adapt to. Maybe maybe you can,
but I'm very good at able to Okay, this is
the vibe. I'm going in with it now. Yeah, and
I still really couldn't as much.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yeah, it just it never really, it never really hit
and I in this movie's only an hour thirty two, yeah,
it was ninety four. It's only yeah, only ninety four
minutes and it was dragging, man, it was, it was
really dragging. It was you spend a long time before
you actually get to the point that Paul is at
the house, and the whole trailer that was pitched to
you and probably doesn't even start happening until about forty

(13:02):
minutes in. Yeah, see, you're struggling. And what I think
the one thing that really didn't help is that I
don't like Sophia like I like Samorrow Weaving. Sophia is
a fucking bitch. She's a shitty character, over the top,
like very rich, very stuck up uses men, is very pretentious,

(13:27):
and like it's so intentional, like you to point that
Rhodes calls it out and it's leading to a character
arc that technically happens, right, but you don't see the
arc that like that's the problem with It's kind of
just a line graph. It's just kind of yeah, it
just happens, Like you don't see her actually develop into
a good person.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
When you started talking, I wasn't agreeing one hundred percent
with yet, but thinking about it, yeah, you're right it,
you know, it kind of kind of goes up and then.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
It's just we're here. If this was not Tomorrow Weaving,
you would despise her. I think there's very few few
actresses that could have pulled it off. Yeah, like I
think she pulled it off, Okay, but yes, there was
still a good actress obviously. It's oh yeah, I just
think the characters written awful. I just think she sucks. Yeah, yeah, Rhodes.

(14:13):
I wasn't even buying into Rhodes in that relationship at first.
That felt a little force, but Rhodes, actually played by
Jimmy Fails. He actually kind of saves it a little bit.
And I like the fact that he calls out Sophia
and you're like, dude, you are that is such a
Sophia thing to say.

Speaker 4 (14:28):
Well, and he is the professional athlete, he's the stereotypical
use women throw them away, professional athlete, different women every night,
and he's the one who's like, oh so I don't
really matter to you in this way, and d d
D I'm a puzzle. You just throw me away when
you're done. Stuff like that. That was that was interesting
to hear from him.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah, and then like just so, yeah, you have that
very kind of serious moment, although he's like crying, and
I think it's supposed to be funny, I think so, yeah, yeah,
I guess. But then you have like Penny when she
kills the bodyguard, that's back to being very real again,
that's super Manson family. Like Penny Penny is right out

(15:11):
of the Manson Family. Yeah, it's a little weird. She's
basically she's kind of like sissy like in the textansa
Mascar game kind of. She's that's like kind of the
character going because she sings, but she's actually good. Yeah,
she's like love sailing. Yeah, she's just laughing all the time,
very manipulative, and it's like, yeah, dude, it's literally the
Manson family, but it can't figure out if it wants

(15:32):
to be scary Manson family or like, what's that what's
the Leonardo DiCaprio movie Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Yeah,
it's that's a comedy take kind of on the Manson Family. Yeah,
it's just weird. It was losing me a lot. It
was like distracting the hell out of me. And there
are only two moments that I laughed in the movie,
Like I actually verbally chuckled, and I can't remember what

(15:56):
one of them was. The one that got me, Uh,
at the end when Rhodes is dressed up as Sofia
in the blue wedding dress and up there with Paul.
Even that it gets a little serious sometimes, yeah, because
Paul is full on in and it's in a delusional
state where he believes that this NBA basket, you know,

(16:18):
his basketball player in a wedding dress is Sofia. But yeah,
and the priest asked for the minister, I'm not even sure,
don't oh that that was the other joke that made
me laugh. But that was also in the trailer. Yeah,
that was the other joke that made me laugh. Was, Yeah,
it's not not a priest, a pastor where what I

(16:40):
don't know what religion they are. Oh yeah, yeah, I
laughed at that.

Speaker 4 (16:44):
You put a priest in the trunk. It's not a priest,
he's a pastor Protestant.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
That was funny. Yeah, that, but that again, that was
in the trailer as well. Yeah. But when he asked
for it is like and your name, and he's like,
that was funny. I laughed at that too, Yeah, And
that was it. That was like all I laughed at
the movie. Yeah, I found some I found some more
laughs in it. Don't ask me what scenes there were.
It's been two weeks a week since I was. There
were some other like funny moments. They just most of

(17:12):
the ones that I think would have made me laugh
I already saw in the trailer, so.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
I thought I did laugh when she started singing the
duet with Penny. But then as soon as she was
like into it, because she started she was, she was like,
what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (17:25):
And then she starts.

Speaker 4 (17:26):
Singing and she's still like scared, like what the fuck?
And then she just the gold spot like comes on.
She's throwing her hair around, and I'm like, all right.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
That's enough. It was a good duet. They did a
good job, great song. Yeah. I think it's weird because
Penny is supposed to be an actual fan of hers,
and Penny's also supposed to be working with Paul to
make this happen, right, It's weird to me that she
kind of goes solo and decides to beat the shit
out Sofia at that moment while they're in the middle
of a duet, she kind of has a bit of
a character change and tries to kill Sophia. Well, because

(17:58):
she was gonna do it before.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
She was just like yeah, no, I'm finally I used
Paul to get me out of prison, so I'm just
gonna kill you now.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
It's weird, which I guess. If you're crazy, you're crazy
because listen, in this case, Paul is Manson. You can't
betray Manson. Are you done?

Speaker 4 (18:24):
Paul Ray Nicholson Again, it's really hard to see anyone
else in that role just because he's He's Ray fucking Nicholson. Yeah,
he plays a crazy person very well. I asked, did
his father?

Speaker 1 (18:38):
I almost think that they didn't realize how good he
was until it was too late.

Speaker 4 (18:42):
I think, I agree, well, because what this was filmed
in mid twenty twenty two. Yeah, this was before his
breakout and he hasn't really even broken out yet.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
No, not really, he did. He was in Smile Too.
Loved all his lines in there, right right. Yeah. He
barely does anything in that movie except be look like
a Nicholson, you know, like that was his role in
that movie, was to look like his dad, Yeah and
be creepy and yeah, it's uh. I just think I

(19:14):
don't think they realized how good he was until it
was too late. And I even think they made some
last second adjustments, Like I think the credits, the credit
scroll at the end where he's in the car for
like five whole minutes just sitting there smiling then crying
that Yeah, yeah, I think that was probably a last
second choice. I bet you that's not in the script.

Speaker 4 (19:33):
I when he got in that car and we just
saw I saw he was off center and there was
nothing there, I'm like, this better, he better sit there
through the whole credits.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
Yeah, And I'm glad that they did, because yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
He he went through every single emotion, anger, smiling, crying, everything. Yeah,
and it was it was great again. Ray Nicholson, he's
he's a star man.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yeah. I feel like that wasn't scripted originally, and then
they were like, hey, like Ray, you have the ability
to do this. You want to try something unique for
the credits, and they just did it. Yeah, yeah, some
of his comedy. I don't know if they thought originally
it was gonna work as well as it did until
it was, because I bet you, I don't know. I

(20:14):
don't want to speak for Jimmy Warden, but it feels
like it was meant to originally be a darker film
and they were like, oh, Ray's funny. Ray can do this.
Dark humor and pull it off. But of course then
there's the singing duets. I don't know, I don't.

Speaker 4 (20:29):
Know, man, they just didn't know what it wanted to be, right,
I think I think this could have been a really,
really well done thriller with starring Ray Nicholson and Samara Weaving.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
Yeah, dude, just if you.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
Would have took the comedy out or just had the
comedy sprinkled like a lot of horror and thrillers do. Yeah,
I think Ray Nicholson would have been amazing and Samara
Weaving could have could have shined a little more as well.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah, even some of like Ray's comedy lines would work.
They'd be fine in a true thriller. Yeah, it's it's
when it goes some stuff goes a little too far.
And yeah, like the singing duets distracting some of the
stuff with Penny. You know, one thing I had a
question of that I don't understand the motive behind the

(21:15):
editing style was when the cop was killed and they
do they show the cop killed? Right? Is that how
it goes? What were they look out and he's not
there out there and then they go up they go
one one minute ago and then they show the cop
get killed, and then they hold on the wide and

(21:35):
it goes present day and then it's them running outside.
Why I feel like that I would have appreciated that
more if it was true because it was longer than
a minute. Yeah, if they would have been like two
minutes and thirty five seconds earlier, yeah, I just don't
I would. Were they looking for a laugh there? What

(21:56):
was the motivation behind it? I liked being unique and
telling and twisting around your order. But since it's the
only time right that they do that the whole movie.
Maybe it was just for a body count or to
explain where the cop went. But why not just show
him die and then cut up to them talking about
the fact that he's not there anymore and then then
run outside? There was It's just random. It's just a

(22:19):
random thing, like trying to be cute. But never call
back to it again, never use it again.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
I guess because we go from an intense moment we
cut at the house to them being like, where's the cop?
And now we're at the funny moment where it would
have been intense moment. Funny moment, intense moment.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Is the death is death is the funny moment. No,
the dancing, Yeah, the dancing and the performance because he
had auditions. Oh yeah, because he had an audition that
actually might have made it work better. The hard hard
cut to that, I don't. I don't know. Maybe I
just I would like to hear the conversation that because
I honestly don't. Well, no, they had to they had

(22:59):
to have planned for it ahead of time when shooting
because of the way they hold on the wide where
they it's a match cut. So yeah, it was definitely
planned in that way. Yeah, it's weird. I just and
I wish if you're gonna do that, that's cool because again,
I like storytelling like that because it can really throw
some who done it to do it like that, and
they really throw you for a loop. I just wish

(23:19):
it had have done it more throughout the film. If
you're gonna do it just randomly in the middle of
the film like that.

Speaker 4 (23:26):
Yeah, because it doesn't really explain because because he pulls up,
then he goes into the house, and then they when
they go back out a few minutes later, he's Oh,
here's the cops bike. You guys get into the car,
and the guy's in the car but we don't even
see him get into the car.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Yeah, and the body's in the bed of the truck. Yeah,
we don't which, by the way, I don't know how
tall Bell is, but if I walk by a pickup
truck and the boys in the back, I would see it.
He without a doubt. Every single time, he looks pretty tall.
He looked pretty fucking tall to me. Yeah. He was
definitely was significantly taller than Ray Nicholson. So yeah, I
was like, how did you not? I think it might

(24:08):
be one of the reasons. Uh, they have a top
down shot there, it's a bird's eye view shot. It
might be one of them. Of course it's showing the
body and that's that's fun. But any other angle, it
had been pretty obvious that he should be seeing that
body in the bed of that truck, right whatever. Insubordinate,
that's that's just being bitchy for no reason. I'm just saying. Well,

(24:29):
another critique is man Bell is unkillable. Well, Bell is
by far the most likable character in the movie. Absolutely,
he is awesome. And he gets stabbed, yeah.

Speaker 4 (24:44):
And then's that, you know, surviving that Yeah, and then
he survived and then he gets shot in the head,
the back of the head.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yeah, and it does They show later that it just
skimmed him right shirt, which, how do you miss the shot? Bro?
What the fuck? That was another one I didn't understand.
What are you doing? You have to know at this
point that he's the most likable character. So when he
took him out of the truck and went to go
shoot him, I'm like, Okay, he's got to get out
of this. He's he's got to be come up and

(25:12):
show and be the hero of this. And when he
pulled the trigger, I'm like, are you I literally was like,
what John Drappa, are you fucking kidding?

Speaker 3 (25:20):
Well?

Speaker 4 (25:20):
Yeah, why we see the flash, we hear the bang,
and then the big guy walks away. I'm like I
thought Belle was gonna come and be like, all right,
I got him.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
Why do you even hring him there? They just randomly
started and then why his daughter had the bag on
her head and he makes her leave the bag on
her head, and then they stopped randomly going to the
woods shoot bell and then he gets back and he's like,
can take the bag off now? For what she heard
the gunshot? Dude, Like, what was the point. I don't

(25:52):
know that was that was a little tough.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
And then then yeah, then it took like twenty minutes
before we saw Belle again. I kept being like, all right,
where's Bell. Bell made it out somehow after getting shot
in the back of the head, and I'm like, they
really killed Bell heah, so dumb, but they didn't.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
It's almost more dumb that he survived.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
Now.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
It just I don't get it. It's like they only
It's like they only did that two well, I guess.
Then he showed up at the wedding and gives her
gives some are weaving Sophia.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
The yeah, the knife, the knife. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:30):
So I guess that'd be the only way he was
able to to help, because if he would have gone
to the house.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
He wouldn't have had that knife. I guess he would
have just been otherwise.

Speaker 4 (26:41):
The only reason why that happened was so that he
could get the funny looking car from her assist.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
But I can't remember what the car was. It was something.
It was a small sports car, yeah, yellow or Cotte,
I can't remember.

Speaker 4 (26:53):
Some Yeah, it was small, small car. Funny car, hah,
funny color, funny color. Uh So, and then they ride
off in that in the end, So like, those are
the two reasons why that that scene happened.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Okay, man, I don't even know why. It's it's only
funny because she owns it, right the assistant And again
another random like, hey, Bell just survived, but here's a
weird like comedy bit, and we're gonna leave her on
the side of the road. Belle literally was just executed
last time we saw him, and now we're like just

(27:31):
changing tone completely, and hey, here's here's a sports car.
And why does she even find him? I mean it
is really close to uh to Sophia's. She finds him
while he's still on the ground. Yes, in the woods. Yes,
why was she looking? I'm telling you is it's just

(27:52):
random stuff like that really irks me. It's kind of
this don't get me wrong when I say this out loud,
don't overreact. Okay, it reminds me in that way of
Night Swim of don't over react. But this movie's way
better than Night Swim. Don't get me wrong, Yes, but
Night Swim has just those are the things that pissed

(28:12):
me off about it is the random dumb like, how
do you not see that that's a problem? How do
you not see the continuity issues of that particular situation.
It's runtime. They threw it in for runtime.

Speaker 4 (28:24):
They're like, Okay, we have our movies eighty minutes long.
We just got to stretch another fifteen minutes out of it.
But why why do you? I don't in twenty twenty five,
you don't need to do that. You were not You
already had a release issue, so you definitely need need
to force it, right, Yeah, Like you can make a
movie that is seventy five minutes and it will do

(28:45):
just fine on streaming platforms in twenty twenty five, right
if this was only theater release and then wait, however,
you know the release window until it comes out on streaming,
Like this is this is your movie. This is gonna
be the hit of March. Yeah, Like do you remember Unfriended? Yes,
and that was a sixty minute movie. I think that
was such a smart choice to just pull back the runtime.

(29:06):
You know, you don't need to be that long exactly.
I think that Unfrinded was only sixty many might been
another found footage webcam movie like that. Yeah, but yeah,
like that's don't force a runtime in twenty twenty five, because,
especially if your focus is going to be on streaming. Yeah,
going right to streaming. You know, maybe that wasn't their
plan originally. They just could not get distribution.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
I guess.

Speaker 4 (29:29):
Yeah, there's no there's no info on like Wikipedia of
you know, the history of Oh yeah, it's having this problem.
It's just hey, we filmed it in twenty twenty two.
We post production was early twenty twenty three. We couldn't
do anything till Cocaine Bear was out, and now we're
two years later in it release.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
That's all it says. Yeah, so it's probably to this
point so far it's the most disappointing film I've seen
this year. I agree, it.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
Just it was something that really looking forward to for
a while. The trailer was like, yep, this is this
is gonna be in the top three of this year
for sure for me. Yeah, and well as of right
now it is because there we've only seen like.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Five Yeah, I'd have to go double check because I
gave it two and a half out of five. I
gave it a three. I'm I might be being mean a
little harsh, but it really was just like, yeah, it's
got a five point four out of ten nine.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
To be sixty one percent on rotten Tomato sixty five
from the audience. Yeah, so it's in Yeah, okay, so
we have hard eyes Monkey, wolf Man and Into the
Deep and Borderline. Uh, well, Into the Deep is certainly worse.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
Yeah. Is it worse than Wolfman? Though? Yeah, I think
it is for worse maybe, But do you prefer it Man?
I think I think wolf Man is probably a much
easier film to watch. Again, I don't think that. I
don't think the humor of this movie can hold up enough.

(30:55):
We're like with rewatchability. I hate to say it, I
think I think I agree. Yeah, Like, Wolfman's a pretty
fun watch, pretty fast watch. It's sert like God would
have missed opportunity. Don't get me wrong, I had the
steel book about it.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
If I saw Borderline in the theaters and we saw
Wolfman in the theaters. If I had a choice to
go see either one in the theater again, I think
it'd be Wolfman.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Yeah. I think it's more it has that rewatchability to it.

Speaker 4 (31:19):
So I guess that's my answer, which sucks. Was really
looking forward to this one for so long. Yeah, that's
why you always keep your expectations long. Yeah, fucked up? Whoopsie,
So what it was. How many theaters was this in?
It made eight thousand dollars? Eight thousand dollars. Yeah, that's
so bad. Can I see how many theaters? Twenty five theaters?

(31:45):
Oh my god, I'll hope aken one. I wonder how
they're streaming and be on Apple TV. Probably not great. Well,
even like not knowing, I didn't know you could rent
something from Apple TV and not pay for the streaming service.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
Yeah, it's like Amazon in that in that regard.

Speaker 4 (31:59):
But yeah, so so I'm sure a lot of people
are like, oh, it's on Apple TV, Okay, I don't
have it, and they didn't even look into it. You know,
I guess it was on Plex. You could buy it
on Plex as well, rent it on Plex as well,
but that helps people them, but people don't use Plex. Yeah,
you need it on like Voodoo or Amazon or not
Voodoo anymore?

Speaker 1 (32:17):
Is it? Well, no, to bet you don't, I means fine,
but who Yeah, who bought vodoo Fandango? Right, and then
now it's like fandango. I'm pretty sure Fandango bought Voodoo
and yeah, and that's their thing now. So yeah, it's
just it. Yeah, not even a missed opportunity. It just

(32:41):
that the total inconsistencies. They really not letting Ray shine
the wish you would that he could have wasting Bell Samarrow.
Weaving is not a very likable character, so Sophia is
not a very likable character. Again, it's it's.

Speaker 4 (32:58):
You know, if walked after watching it, this is how
I would change it. But if they went if they
leaned more into the thriller and listen to the comedy.
But I guess that's what uh Jimmy Warden is. He's
known for that really over the top comedy.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
If you'd have just picked one or the other, it
would have been fine. It just didn't. Yeah, you could
have had the same Actually, wish it would have leaned
into the comedy more, probably like get Ray in the film,
sooner Ray And you know what's the other thing? Man,
Like he doesn't interact with Sophia for shit the whole movie.

(33:35):
Like when he's at the house. You had the first
interaction where he's up behind her, he comes up and
hugs her, which that's actually a good scene.

Speaker 4 (33:41):
He knocks her out, yeah, Yeah, he puts her in
the yeah, the recording booth. Yeah, and then he doesn't
see her.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Do you recording boks really locked from the inside like that,
there was no handle on the inside. I don't think so, Okay, sorry.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
I think they might have rigged it up somehow, But yeah,
so so they were only he only talked to her,
and he only talked to her for five minutes before
he knocked her out. Ya if that, And it was
pretty fast, and then hands her off to Penny. Penny
takes her upstairs, locks her in the recording booth or
he did. He talks to her for a minute through

(34:18):
the recording booth, and then he goes downstairs, and then
the next time he sees Sophia it's not actually her.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
Yeah. I was actually kind of hoping for a longer
development with them that actually could have led to her
starting to fall for him. And then it got weird.

Speaker 4 (34:34):
I was definitely hoping for the whole movie to take
place inside this house. When he at the beginning, when
he broke when he stabbed Belle and got into the house,
I'm like, oh shit, where's she at? Yeah, to see
that moment where he comes up behind her. No, they
didn't happen for another forty five minutes.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Yeah, it's it's very it's very weird, like they just
they would have really leaned into that. Man, they had
fun there. They just don't. And then you know, like
the scene, which I guess is fine. You know, I'm
not overly hating on this scene, but with him he
goes off and goes swimming, and then the speedo just

(35:13):
like a random scene of him hanging out in his house, right, like, Okay,
I don't know, man, it was just so many. It was.
It was as if you took you put down a
bunch of bullet points on a on a whiteboard of
like scenes that you want to do but don't exactly
have a story to go with it, and then you

(35:34):
just kind of circle them and figure out which one
you're gonna put in and find a way to have
your screenplay sneak it in. It's really weird, just some
of the random shit in this movie. Yeah, yeah, it.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
Just just too many, too many, I total inconsistencies. Yeah,
trying to explain that in a different way, but but
that's what it boils down to.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Yeah, do I opened I actually I think I saw
the screen on my phone. Well I watched the movie
and I spent the first half watching it kind of
like gassing it up in my own mind. I'm like,
I'm I think I like what I'm saying. I think
this is a great movie. And then I finally convinced myself.
I was like, Okay, stop being a simp and realize

(36:18):
what you're watching, because I was like, this is not working.
And I opened Rotten Tomatoes and the top two reviews
I saw. One was from Chasey Chung of Casey's Movie
Mania said a would be potential comedy thriller that suffers
from total inconsistencies and give it a one out of five.
And I'm like, that is exactly how I feel that
I just watched. And Mary Beth mc andrews from dread

(36:39):
Central shout out. Dread Central said, the increasingly ridiculous situation
unhinged performances keep borderline entertaining, but the script is as
shallow as a teenage idol, and I'm like, boom, that
is exactly what it is, you were. It's carried heavily
by a cast, ye, a really good cast, Samaraw Weaving,
Ray Nicholson and Eric Dane. Yeah, and even having like Alba,

(37:02):
what is it, peptie systol, Yeah, pizza. Yeah, They're all
good it just the one person. Here's another example of
just like random cutaways they're trying to be funny but aren't.
Is like the bodyguard eating the beans or whatever the
hell he's eating, and we just spend like a minute
and a half watching him throw down food, which of

(37:22):
course he ends up throwing up with like they at
least they bring that joke full circle with him throwing
up when he's tays I'm like again, stop.

Speaker 4 (37:29):
It's like they it's like they filmed everything, and it's like, shit,
this movie is seventy five minutes, or is seventy minutes,
and we gotta just extend it somehow. So they just
add these minute long nothing burgers in just to pad
that run time. And that runtime includes that credit scene
that five minutes of Ray Nicholson in the back of
the car at the end. So take that off your

(37:53):
your your ninety four minutes, take out all the crap
that don't matter, and you're at like sixty five minutes,
which it's a streaming movie. Short, sweet, you're already having
trouble releasing it.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Just get it out you Even kind of at the
end at the wedding, it seemed they're leaning a little
bit more into the comedy again, although it's weird because
of how much Paul is in a trance. But yeah,
you you're kind of buying into the comedy again. And
then he stabs He stabs him, Yeah, and it's like

(38:30):
once it we're back to being darkest shit again. It's
so it's a weird movie. Man.

Speaker 4 (38:35):
I haven't met in a movie like feel so like
three movies in a long time. I haven't been this
this disappointed in a long time.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:43):
Usually, like I said earlier, usually I can kind of
like get the vibe of the movie and be like, Okay,
it's not what I thought it was.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
This is what it is. I'm buying it. And this
was the first one I'm in a long time. I'm like,
I can't even do it.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
I want to see I can't. I had to take
the rose colored glasses off.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
Yeah. I got to stay positive. I gotta. I would
love to see Cody Leech review this movie. He he
doesn't seem to enjoy movies like this. He he didn't
like the monkey, kind of dogged on the monkey a
little bit, uh and some what else just came out
that he didn't like. Don't say snow white you know,
he did not like to snow White, but uh damn,

(39:22):
it was another one that in another movie it seemed
to lean into the comedy more and he didn't like that. Man,
But I don't think Borderline would work for him. I'm curious. Oh, big,
big disappointment. Yeah, I still enjoyed it. Yeah, it's not
like it's dog Ship.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
I will. I will happily sail on the High Seas
and find a copy of one when it comes when
when I'm able to.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
There probably is one now like a physical release. Is
every're saying sailing sailing the high seas, you sail the
high seat. I'll do that right now if you want
to with uh Apple TV mmmmmm uh yeah uh. But
I don't know if this is gonna be a super
rewatchable one. Maybe next year I'll try it again when

(40:07):
I'm missing some Samara and Ray Nicholson, we'll come back
to and Ray blows the fuck up. Because it's bound
to happen. He's gonna end up being like his dad.
He yes, he's very talented. Someone needs to give him
a chance to do something legit. I would like to
see him in a role similar to the Shining I'd
like to see him get to go full blown crazy

(40:31):
and see how well he can get to that level
of like his dad.

Speaker 4 (40:35):
Well, you know, his first role was in The Benchwarmers
in two thousand and six. He was kid Catcher number
one in game number two.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Does he have any lines? I don't know. But that's crazy.
I didn't know that.

Speaker 4 (40:53):
Yeah, that's that's what. That's what Wikipedia says. I gotta
I gotta see a picture of it. I'm desperate to hope.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
I don't think. Oh I don't. I don't see an
actual picture of rewatch the Benchwarmers. Damn it.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
Uh So what he was in I Love You Forever,
which is a comedy drama follows a young woman into
and out of an emotionally abusive relationship. Well, now, I
don't know if I want to watch it. It's it's
produced by Diablo Cody. Oh she she did Babysitter and
yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
He's also in Novacane. Oh man, I bet he mind
have something cool in Novacane. I want to see that movie.

Speaker 4 (41:39):
He's third build in Novacane. Hmmm, oh oh yeah he is.
He's he's one of the bank robbers.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
That makes sense.

Speaker 4 (41:51):
The whole point of the movie is like, like the
main plot is he's getting kidnapped by bank robbers. So
you have a fighting with bank rob is that kidnapped
his girlfriend. He'll get to have some fun exchanges with
Jack Wade.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
I hope So I believe. I thought in the trailer
I saw.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
He did, but I stopped watching the trailers.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
Same, So just the first one that we saw in
the theaters. Yeah, that's the only one I seen.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
Yeah. I just someone needs to get him for an
actual horror role. I'm telling you, like basically kind of
how creepy he is and smile too, but give him
some dialogue, I'm telling you, or will do it well.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
Or or have him be the subject of psychological trauma
and have the arc of him dealing with whatever situation
and then finally breaking at the end.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Yeah, you know, like all these the multiple personality films.
If you take Split like Ray Nicholson and something like
Split like he could, I'm telling you he's he will
nail it. Just give him a chance. Let someone get
him in a role like that. Absolutely. Yeah, that's a
that's borderline. Two and a half out of five is

(43:02):
what I gave it. You said he gave it a three. Yeah,
I'll give it a three for now. I really would
want to give it. Yeah, it's so hard with star
ratings because that's that's what letterbox uses. Is why I
said that three out of five. I think five point
five out of ten is really where I want to be.
I don't think it's quite as bad as a five,

(43:23):
but I don't think it's a six. Yeah. I want
that quarter You want that quarter star already that two
point seventy five out of five.

Speaker 4 (43:30):
Yeah, yeah, I did just see breaking news pop up
on my phone for any fans of make Every Down count?
What I think every down count? Yes, the Giants have
signed a quarterback. And that man is Jameis Winston. Oh
you guys a gonna keep losing two years eight?

Speaker 1 (43:49):
What? Jamis Winston is washed? Everybody knows that.

Speaker 4 (43:52):
No, but I am so glad I get to hear
all his speeches all year now, thank god, until he
gets hurt and Timmy de Vito comes in saves the
day and Ruins are number one pick hopes.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
And you started throwing up the uh uh they're licking
their fingers. W that was Jameis Winston did that right
with They're just like all right, let's get let's get
like helicks his fingers. Yeah, yeah, that's he says that
take us like a w Right. Isn't that what the
joke was?

Speaker 4 (44:20):
Yeah, Jesus Christ, I'm so excited to be a Giants fan.
It's better than Aaron Rodgers for the culture.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
I mean, uh, it certainly has more longevity two years,
two years to Also, that's about a year and a
half longer than Rogers is gonna make.

Speaker 4 (44:39):
Jamus Winston and Tommy DeVito in the QB room is
going to be awesome.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
The uh yeah, the Texans signed another mac. Yeah, they
signed a tackle today. I think I saw that. I
don't remember who was. I believe it was a good one.
Let me let me gauge the room real quick. Well.
They paid Daniel Hunter a ship ton of money, thirty

(45:06):
five million for a year. Yeah. Stingley said today that
he wants to be in Houston for the rest of
his career. So that's good, thank you. They just picked
up Ronald Darby. Didn't need him, but they picked him up.
And where is it? Where is it? Never gonna know?

(45:31):
Make every every down count is canceled? Would we should
bring it back? I wish we could. I wish we
had time. Maybe we will this year. Who knows, maybe
we'll have time this football season. Oh, Trent Brown, Jesus Christ,
So I want to Trent Brown is pretty good. Yeah,
up to three million dollars one year deal. It can't

(45:55):
possibly be worse than last year. That's what US Giants
fans have been saying for years. We just need a
decent line. Have you seen the stat that Patrick Mahomes
was under pressure thirty nine percent? I think of his
snaps in the Super Bowl, it's pretty good. Do you
know what the average under pressure plays that CJ. Shroud

(46:19):
had in twenty twenty four is like forty two percent? Yeah,
I think I think that's the number, thirty nine to four.
I know it is more for CJ. Shroud all year
than it was for Patrick Mahomes in the super Bowl.
And look how poorly Patrick Mahomes did in the super Bowl.
Therein lies the problem. Just if we can know long
even just to let our running backs cook man, Like,

(46:42):
for the love of God, those boys need some help.
It sucks losing Tunsil a little bit, but Tunsil is
the most penalized player in the NFL. Like he's great,
he's a fantastic pass blocker's actually he's a great run blocker. Two,
he's he's probably arguably the best pass blocking left tackle

(47:02):
in the NFL. But when you have twenty false starts
a year, sometimes more, and then he was he was
really struggling with a new line rule, the line of
scrimmage rule. He was really struggling with that.

Speaker 4 (47:15):
He put the wrong wrong stuff in his his gas mask, bong,
I tell you, yeah, should he should have been smoking knowledge?

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Knowledge? Yeah? But was he traded? Where'd he go? He
was traded? Don't know where? Don't remember where. Someone's getting
a good tackle and if he cleans up his game. He
is very dependable, and he's a leader. He's been a
captain for years.

Speaker 4 (47:41):
If anyone is interested in make every down count making return.
I think we did two episodes. Yeah, we might have
recorded a third and never posted it.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
I once again forgot to push reviewing the show and
the website at the beginning of the show again, so
next week it is. But yeah, if you let us
know on our website and make every deathcount dot com,
you can actually have a voice message, give us the pitch,
give us the pitch on there. Let's snow. Yeah, yeah,

(48:12):
that's it. I think I don't have anything else. Next
week we might have it. I don't know if we
are going to do locked anymore? Are we? That was
supposed to be this week? I was supposed to be
right now. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (48:27):
Man, my dad's truck after you know, not him not
being here for two weeks. His truck didn't start today,
so we have to tow it. So we're down a car.
So my days that I'm off work from the gas station,
it might not be able to till late.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
I don't know. Well, well, no matter what. Actually we're
doing at thirteen, Part five next week, so it doesn't
even matter. So part five next week, recording it at
Days of the Chicago, we can maybe we can get
somebody to be on it with m I was gonna
say Shavar Ross, but he's not going anymore. Melanie Kineman
would doing an interview probably, I know because I've interviewed

(49:04):
her before and that one's splendidly Well, God, can we
get John Shepherd bro come mad, come on John? Yeah.
And I actually wanted to try to get some interviews
at Days of the Dead because I can do them,
so casually now where I would just like I'd hand
them one of the wireless leavel ears. I just clip
this on. Let's talk. That's it and keep it very simple.

(49:27):
You don't have to do an elaborate hotel room set
up with shotgun mics and crab like we used to.

Speaker 4 (49:33):
But we could could sure sure. But yeah yeah, oh well.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
Well, happy fortieth anniversary to Friday thirteenth, Part five. It
is today, March twenty second, forty years a man, we're
so old. Yeah, some of them have passed. Carol Locutel
is she rest in peace? Glad we got to meet her.
Joey is dead. He is dead, Yes, didn't get to

(50:03):
meet him. Grandpa is dead. Well, he's been dead for
a while. Yeah. I think everyone else is still kicking
in that movie. I think, yeah, okay, that's gonna.

Speaker 4 (50:20):
Wrap up this episode and make every death count. Like
I said, leave a five star review. Every listen really
helps the show grow. But with that it's always thank
you guys so much for listening, and we'll talk to
you next time.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
Bye.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
Don't hide your rise from the movie screen to Hoderies
from the horror Screens Hall of Fame for Villains, watch
the take a ball.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
This slusher has no doubt. Bell go all aloud to
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