E144: Until Dawn (2025) | Spoiler Review & Discussion - Make Every Death Count

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:39):
What's happening? Love is what's going on. We're gonna get tropical.
We're gonna get tropical. Welcome back to another episode of
Make Every Death Count, brought to you by the slash
Cast Podcast Network. We are your hosts. My name is Riley,
my name is Nick. It's been a while since we
sat down at the table. It had been recorded professionally.
It has me you mics in between. Yeah, a couple

(01:00):
of bruskies. Just kidding. Now, what'd you watch this week?
Did you reach your phone out? I hit your phone out?
I watched. I watched a handful. I haven't updated my letterbox,
but then I was thinking, I also haven't watched anything.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Oh shit, when did I leave off?

Speaker 1 (01:17):
It's been rewatching as of late, a lot of rewatching.
I know what you did last summer nice on Loop.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
So okay, so this is gonna be a little bit
out of order because we're releasing an episode. No, we
already already did. Yeah, okay, so I think I left
off Clove hitch Killer. Okay, you rewatched Clothing You've never
seen it? What I thought? We watched it together, like
in my parents' basement many years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
Not me. I know for a fact I watched it
in my parents' basement. I just assumed you were there.
I was not. It was it was all right.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
I watched Unhinged with Russell Crowe where it's a mom
and her son or yeah, mom road Rage. It was
a twenty twenty movie. Oh yes, yes, yeah, and he
goes fucking nuts and starts killing it her family.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
I watched Emily the Criminal with Aubrey Plaza. I thought
it was pretty good.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Okay, even heard of that one, uh, nineteenth nineteenth.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
It's vampire. It's got Debbie Ryan as a hot lesbian vampire,
well bisexual vampire.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
You ever asked for?

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Yeah, it was pretty bad. I gave it two out
of ten. Oh now, okay, stay with me. Now. I
love heist movies and heist adjacent movies.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
What's heist adjacent? What would that give me an example
of that? I'm about to right now.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Oh, okay, buffaloed, but it's called buffaloed buffaloed. So basically
it's a this movie a little not a little girl,
a woman. When she was a kid, she was getting
into trouble. But then she grows up and she gets
into the debt collecting business. Oh and then she starts

(02:57):
her own debt collecting business, and the other deck collecting
businesses trying to sabotage her with.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Legal and illegal means.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Yes, that this movie is heist adjacent, like there's a
big lead up to stuff. Pretty cool. I really like
those kind of movies.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
I get it that A fourth then I saw a
movie this was not recently, but saying heist adjacent made
me think of it. That was I honestly who somebody
famous stars in't it? I think Margot Robbie is the whaman?
Oh and I don't know, but it's like a guy

(03:34):
who scams people. Oh it's it's Will Smith, Will Smith
and Margaret Robbie and he like he scams people for money.
Uh he yeah, I don't know. I can't remember. But
then he brings her into the business. I remember seeing
a clip of it where he like using basically the
same type of psychology that mentalists use. He uses that

(03:58):
to trick somebody to a certain way, and it's it's interesting,
like they go to extreme details. The foolest guy like putting.
They have a guy they're in a football game and
they have one of their own men on the sideline
wearing a specific jersey and they point them out with
binoculars that kind of thing. So they're feeding him to
pick that number. Yeah, interesting to look that up. It was. Actually,

(04:22):
it was pretty good.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
I love those kind of movies. If you know any
other movies, please comment them.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
It kind of reminded me of Now You've Seen Me.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Yes, I love Heist a Jason.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yeah, actually Heist. That's just a heist movie, but it
has magic. Hell.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Yeah, I watch Companion.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yeah, I also watched him and I really enjoyed it. Yeah,
it's a good flick.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
I watched The Woman in the Yard. I'm gonna save
my thoughts for when that episode comes out later this month.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Have I still haven't watched it.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
I watched the movie Brazen starring Alyssa Milano. It was
pretty dog shit. Oh, all right, action movie. I watched
Baby Reindeer. It's not a movie, it's a Netflix limited series,
Baby Reindeer.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
You talked about that one last week too.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
It's very good, very good, uh dark, very dark, trigger
warnings on a couple of the episodes and they go
into they go into the reasons for those. I thought
it was very good. I gave that a four out
of five on IMDb, hero on letterbox very good.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
And then until Dawn, Yeah, I think I honestly, I
have an updated my letterbox. And I don't recall watching
anything except for last movie Night, which we did a
Jack Quaid night, so it was companion. It was novacamee.
So I just watched Novacane. That was a fun flick.
And I watched Screen five and Scream six. We added

(05:49):
Screen six afterwards. Kind his pictures in it and his
video right, and his voice right, it's I can ask for,
so I can ask for. But yet today we're talking
about Until Dawn just came out in theaters. This is
going to be a spoiler field review. But yeah, we

(06:12):
had a good time. It was a good time. Yeah,
it's you know, until Dawn. We we've been covering it
for a while on slashing casts, and I say it
every time. I just I'm really disappointed that so many
people are not willing to give it a chance because
it's not the game rendition that they're looking for. They there,

(06:34):
for some reason, a lot of people want the copy
and paste live action recreation of what the game is.
I don't understand that. Just just play the game or
watch the cinematics. Yeah, isn't there literally a movie mode
not not not Rail. I can't remember if the remaster
had something like it probably does the remaster where.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
You could literally just watch it as a movie.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yeah, but yeah, you can go on YouTube right now though,
and just all cut scenes, yep, and watch it as
a movie. So yeah, I don't understand why people really
want that. But at the same time, I wanted them
to be able to find some moments where you're like,
I get it, I see it, that's the game. And

(07:18):
I thought that was gonna be very subtle, you know.
And and there are some in there that are very subtle,
a little like the way certain things are shot, the
color grade. You can see what they're doing immediately with that,
you know, they got Doctor Hill in there. Thought that
was just gonna be a small cameo, but it was like, cool,
he's in there. That's that's better than nothing, Right, They

(07:41):
ended up doing a lot more than I thought they would. Yeah,
like at the end of the day and again last morning,
the spoilers because I'm about to give you a big
one that this is why I want to do this
episode is I want to talk about this now. The
end sets this movie up basically to be a prequel
the game, and I see people debating this already online.

(08:04):
I was going to this, man, what are people thinking
the same thing I'm thinking, And it's being described as
a sequel to the game, But that's that doesn't make
sense either. But yeah, like, first of all, doctor Hill
was this whole time has been marketed, which they're very
to me. They're very smart for marketing it as if
this has nothing to do with the game other than

(08:26):
it's the title and we're putting the time loop in
there to be like the Butterfly fact. Yeah, we're going
to do the best we can to represent the game
in a different world from the world of Until Dawn.
But then doctor Hill is in the whole movie. Yep,
Like he was only promoted as a gas station attendant.
But he's in the whole fucking movie. He is the

(08:47):
main guy controlling this He's the psychiatrist that you already
know from the game, and he's controlling basically this whole events.
He's which is the game represents Doctor Hill as a
made up character inside the mind of josh Right in

(09:07):
this world the movie until Dawn, doctor Hill is very
real and he is manipulating this world. And I still
don't quite understand how he did what he did. But yeah,
he's able to make people go nuts and create time
loops and creatures and it's not really explained. No, but

(09:31):
that's okay, that's what the sequels are for, that's right. Yeah.
But then we at the end of the movie were
in his office, which I was already very happy at
that moment. When you go into doctor Hill's actual office,
you're like, oh, they're about to have a session. The
windows are boarded up. They did a good job. It
felt like his office from the game. It was super cool.

(09:52):
But then you see a whole bunch of laid out
patient files and one of them is Joshua Harrington from
the game. It was like, oh my god, and that
just felt like a little hat tip. At first, it's like, oh, okay,
so they're doing that where it's like, yeah, they representation.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
Yeah right, that that makes it seem like, okay, it
is a sequel to the game because he has that
person's file. He's they've already gone through this. That's where
I understand people saying it's a sequel.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Yeah. But then after Doctor Hill dies in a very
simple way, it's actually it was a little too convenient
probably for Clover to.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
Hit a lot of Krabby patties he blew up.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, and Doctor Hill is a line right before that.
So everybody who's done this is able to manifest, so
it seems is able to manifest their own death in
some way. Yes, and what Clover did was manifest the
water blowing people up. I guess yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
He gave a he gave a reason, a psychological reason
why that would be, yeah, like.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Why are you picturing people blowing up that kind of thing, Like, well,
what does that say about you? So that happens, But
it even applies to doctor Hill because there's some water
dripping she puts in his coffee mug and he drinks
it he dies, which I don't think was gonna work Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
How did he make the coffee that he was drinking
without water? I was thinking the whole time, he's just
gonna drink it and be like, oh, taste a little watery,
all right, Because how did he make the cof I
guess that's when I think it was part of it.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
I think, especially the way you know doctor Hill in
the game, if they are trying to do that, like
he he kind of works against you and pushes you.
He's pushing Josh in the game, but he's it's like
he's trying to push him in the right direction, well
in an aggressive way. And I'm like, is that what's
happening here? Because well Over is in a really bad spot,

(12:02):
like she tried to kill herself twice the year before,
and you know her sister has been missing. Now she
has confirmed her sister is not dead but gone. I mean,
it is a way to go. Yeah, It's like, yeah,
so maybe this is doctor Hill's way of taking somebody
who's in the worst place possible and pushing them in

(12:25):
the right direction to get it back on the right
track aggressively. Yeah. Yes, But if that's the case, then
you know what happened to clover sister Melanie, She's still
want to go right, So that didn't work for her,
but yeah, it's it. But it taught Clover, it gave
her closure for her sister. It's brought her closer to

(12:48):
her friends and showed that she's won a sacrifice her
life for her friends. And they'll stick each other's head
out for each other. It's a lot going on there
that I was like, oh, doctor did a good job.
So but you think he's dead. Let me get to
the this last moment where in doctor Hill's office where
the monitors that he was watching that were of the
house that they were staying in, the museum piece at

(13:10):
uh Cloak Gloat the valley Man.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Every time I saw it, I was kept reading it.
I'm like, is that a word?

Speaker 1 (13:21):
It's glore glor, notre glore. Yeah, not gloor glor the
word you know, a word? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he's
he's got all the cameras of the house, or six
of them, and all of a sudden they start staticking
and they switch and it's a cabin in the winter,

(13:43):
all snowy, and then he starts whistling yeah, and you're
like oh, and then a black suv pulls up and
you're like, holy shit, we're in the game, like this
is the game. So yeah, you got to think that
the movie is established as a prequel to the game,
and if they do a sequel, it would be more
of a one to one adaptation of the game that
you know, right, but the remaster of the game changed

(14:07):
the ending, and the ending of the remaster has a
whole other thing going on now, right, So yeah, I was,
like I said in our spoiler free reviews, I was
at like a six the whole time, where it was like,
this is a fun horror movie, good theatrical experience. You're
getting some great David Sandberg moments, some great practical effects,
and then they just at the end they hit you

(14:28):
with like five beats in a row that are right
out of the game, and you're like, oh shit, yeah,
here we go. And I like it. I like it
a lot. They didn't have to do that and they did. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
It was it was great seeing that because, like I said,
there are a bunch of little easter eggs here and there,
and we're like, this is fun. We're having fun, and
then at the end, just wham, this is a prequel
sequel something.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
I mean I guess it's it's time loops. So yeah,
that's they went back. Maybe if this is a sequel,
takes place after but now we're going back, okay, time
sure you could do that. When does the game take place.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
I think the same year came out twenty fifteen.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
Because that mining town was stuck in the same date
that the mind blew up eighty.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
It was ninety eight. I think was it like May
of ninety eight or it was eighty At least the
calendar in the echo was swarns a ninety eight in
the calendar that that Nina saw next to the sign
in I thought that.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
Was ninety I thought it's at eighty eight.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
It could be.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
I don't know, but yeah, so maybe it's possible that, yes,
this was a sequel, but now we can not only
do time loop, but we can go back.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
Maybe they need to change.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
Now now, maybe they need to butterfly affect and change
the future.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
Oh jeez, you see now you're getting complicated. No, no,
I mean yeah, but I like the fact this to me,
this is the way you had to do it, because
you can not take the butterfly effect that is the
game and establish it in a movie like this So
what you do is you make your own movie and
you do your best to represent the game, but you

(16:11):
establish your own rules. And that's what they did with
the Hourglass, the time Loop Hourglass. So now we have
the rules, and now you can go into the world
of the game, take the rules that have been established
in the cinematic world, apply it to the game story,
and we can buy in when no questions asked. And
I just think that was really smart. If that's what
they do, I'll be a thousand percent honest. Like I said,

(16:36):
I never played the game. I've watched it. I thought
it was okay. Yeah, I thought it was good. I
enjoyed it.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
I never rewatched people play it, and I never was
like I need to play this myself. When the trailers
kept coming out I'm watching, I'm like, all right, I
guess you know we're gonna review it for make every
dev count. We're gonna go see it. Okay, Like I
wasn't really that that excited for it, your.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Hater, huh, all right?

Speaker 3 (17:03):
Not not because it wasn't not until dawn. It's just
it just wasn't something that really caught my attention I'm
waiting for. I know, which did last summer. Okay, I'm
waiting for Megan too. But I sat there throughout the
whole movie. I'm like, man, I am really digging this movie.
I really am enjoying it. Yeah, more more than I

(17:24):
ever thought that I was. Maybe my expectations were low.
I don't I don't know what it was.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
I didn't tell you were gonna enjoy it, believe I.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
Like I said, trailers came out and we're covering it.
I'm like, all right, okay, sure, but man, I I
really found myself enjoying this movie.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
Yeah, it was. It was a lot of fun. Man.
It was a lot of fun. And it's it's fun
seeing David Sandberg kind of get back to horror. Yes,
And it was also knowing seeing his YouTube video that
he just put out that he had, uh, he wanted
to do practical effects for a long time, a movie
that he gets to really get back to the roots

(18:03):
of horror and be very practical for him to get
to do that, And it was just fun to actually
because I was expecting it to kind of point them
out and and be looking for it. Yeah, it was.
It was a really good time. And I said this
in our spoiler for review as well. Uh, the one
thing that was I don't know if it was throwing

(18:24):
me off or I just maybe it's where you're kind
of restricted in terms of time loop movies when you're
used to things like Groundhog's Day that is all about,
you know, a pretentious guy kind of stuck up, and
as he's going through the time loop, he's discovering himself
and he's had he has this big character arc and

(18:44):
that is a result of the day actually being the
same every single time. So he's got to change things
and the only thing changing in that world is him.
He has to make adjustments to make the world around
him change. So he get out of the time loop
and until dawn. Yes, it's a time loop, but it's
not one that's the same every single time. It's not.

(19:05):
It is based on decisions you make, but it's also
not you know, like they're not facing the same creature
every single time, although they a lot more than I
thought they were going to. I thought it was gonna
be like one night you have it was like havin
the Woods what I thought it was gonna be. He's
like one night you have the mass Killer, the next
night you have the Witch, the next night you have

(19:25):
the wind to go. It's not you get he's gonna
be there the whole movie, but he might not be
as prevalent as he was the night before.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
That kind of thing, right, And then I thought it
was interesting. I think it was just a way to
get some more effects in there. But they were like,
oh man, what night is it? I feel like we're
only at night three or four? And then they look
at the phone and they don't remember these nights. That
makes it, you know, stakes even higher. But like that

(19:52):
was an interesting thing because like now you don't know
if you've gone up against something before.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
Yeah, I'm actually like really conflicted on that.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
I that was one part. I'm like, okay, we're shoehorning
some more kills in here, Okay. It was it was
cool to see a bunch of effects. Yeah there that
I guess that was kind of the mazing. It was
like an effects reel that moment pretty much. Yeah, but yeah,
I thought that was okay. But but yeah, it it
showed that, yeah, maybe they have come against against them before,

(20:22):
but they just don't remember.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Right, which it's scary. Yeah, So part of part of
me likes that for that reason. Uh, but I think
did we even see him filming before? Yes, we saw
him filming the first night, the first night, and then
we don't see him doing it again. Correct, and then
then he gets back to filming suddenly and films, and
so I thought, I was like, oh, that's convenient. And

(20:45):
then uh so they they wake up. We see through
five nights, I think base or four nights, five five nights. Yeah,
we so we file the nights at Freddy. It was
we followed them through five nights and then all of
a sudden they wake up and it's night thirteen, right,

(21:05):
and it's like oh, and they act like they forgot everything.
But then Clover calls back directly right two times in
a fucking row to lines that Max said on night five.
I'm like, oh, so you just only six through twelve
you forgot And now we were clicking the fact that
we forgot on night thirteen. What happened? Why are you doing?

(21:29):
So you didn't forget the nights before that? Well, so
that was like, okay, so what did you forget? What
didn't you forget? Well?

Speaker 3 (21:37):
Shit, well, okay, well she remembers, like she remembers the
things that were told to her to help her. She
remembered those things, Yeah, like you can't sit still, you
can't you know the other things that were said that
I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
Yeah, on how to survive until dawn. Yeah, yeah, it
was a little little weird. I kind of I think,
instead of having again, I know why they did it.
I know why they did the Friday footage, but I
think what I would prefer is more of the again
back to groundhogs Day, where we were living with it

(22:17):
in real time, but it starts going much faster. Yeah,
they kind of did that with them drinking the water
and all dying. They all die pretty quickly there, I
mean move out of the next night. If we'd have
gotten some kind of more of a montage style approach
that way, instead of kind of a cop out phone
footage approach, I think I'd dude.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
When I think that would have been more comedic though,
like Happy Death Day the montages.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Yeah, you could have. You could have done in a
scary way. I guess it would have been pretty Scooby
Doo though. Yeah, but even the phone footage is kind
of Scooby DOOI ish, uh. Yeah, but do what I
I despised about that that phone stuff. It's the only
thing I was like this, that's so stupid. Meghan gets

(23:05):
the phone, everybody dies and Megan's still alive and she's
filming Doctor Hill come in and she's filming him, and
then she puts the camera she's bounce it up on
a dresser or something, and films herself. It's like, okay, guys,
I'm gonna go follow him now, and just leaves the
camera behind and there's walks and follows him. So we
have no idea where she went because Megan is missing

(23:26):
on night thirteen, right, I guess that. I guess that
explains why we don't know where she was.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
I know, But why the fuck wouldn't you bring the phone?
Also the phone? Yeah, the video stay yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Right, everything's resetting in this time loop and not the phone, right, yeah, dude,
I'm telling you, doing what they did created some holes.
But I get why they did it, right, right, right,
But also the movie's full of holes and unanswered questions.
Be fair, It's most time movies are. Yeah, like doctor
Hill is the one that's making this happen.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
He's yeah, he's making it happen, and he is unaffected.
Apparently he's unaffected. Yeah, well no, he is affected because
he's supposedly back at the very end after he dies.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yeah, I think so he is affected by.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
The time loop. But he he remembered, well, I guess
he would remember everything.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
I Uh, my head canon is that he that none
of it's real. That's my head canon, none of it's real.
Maybe the Windo Goes. I don't know, because maybe the
Windo Goes are truly a creation of the drug if
you aren't able to beat whatever is. But I feel
like he's feeding them drugs to hallucinate these things, and

(24:41):
it's his way of doing very in depth psych sessions,
similar to what Josh is imagining in the game. Like,
I feel like that's what's happening, and everything is a
manifestation of Clover's imagination, and that's why she's able to
kill him so easily with the wall, even though he's
drinking coffee made with water, Fucking water. So yeah, like

(25:06):
that's why she's able to kill him so easily, because
it is him allowing her to imagine these things and
get past her depression and over fine closure about her
sister and move on. And that's why he's not actually dead.
That's why it leads up to the sequel or the
game sequel review.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
So and yeah, you hear him whistling yeah again.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
Yeah, so like I I my head canon is that
he's straight up manipulating. It's his way of doing some
dark approach to uh yeah therapy. Yeah he found a solution.
I don't know. That's my theory, a game theory.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
I thought it was great. I thought it was great
jump scares. A lot of jump scares, Yeah, some some
are pretty damn good. Some are I would say there
wasn't many that were unearned.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
There's a couple predictables, yeah, but I wouldn't say unearned. Ye,
there are some. There are a couple that truly come
out of nowhere, which some people hate that. That's good. Yeah,
I don't mind it. I don't mind it as long
as it is a solid affair.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
It's not like a cat jumping out of me. If
it's a real scare.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yeah, the one where she has the flashback with her sister,
and her sister leaves and she goes and opens the
door to follow her and then dump scared the wind
to go there. I like that. Yeah, I thought that
was good. There's a couple other like the one at
the end of the hallway she's seeing her sister, and
then another one to go pops out. That's a good one, yep.
But those are still not really building. Uh some they

(26:51):
kind of they kind of are not the one of
the flashback, isn't it all? That's truly a blind jump scare.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
I actually thought some of the most effective suspense in
the movie was with the the stop light flashing. You know,
I'm talking about the traffic light. It's flashing the red
light when she's sitting there at the flashlights, she's block.
It's clover block and flash light and the when to go.
He's moving closer and closer ever time the light flashes.
Like that's good, that's great. And it doesn't come with

(27:18):
a jump scare like relief, I guess, but it's it
keeps you thinking you're gonna see one and that's fun.
Like that's the kind of David Sandberg suspense I'm used to.
And just I don't know if we get to that
point a lot it's mainly just punch in the face
with yelling, but it's I've seen a lot worse, man.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Oh yeah, yeah, I don't think. I don't think there
were many unearned in this I actually I.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
Think the only like fake jump scare in the movie
is the r V horn when they're right at the beginning,
right at the beginning, when they're doing the little prayer circle. Yeah, yeah,
I think so. I Another thing I didn't particularly like
that I was struck I want to buy into was
Megan being a psychic and how that played into the
plot at all. I yeah, it felt a little cheesy,

(28:08):
little forced, because it really doesn't. I guess the only
thing that it ultimately ends up doing is the callback
to the cross, which I when they came out of
the ground at the end by the cross the grave,
I was wondering. I couldn't remember what the hell she
said when they got there. When they got there, Megan

(28:29):
said something about that cross and the way it made
her feel. I can't remember what the fuck it was.
I was like, it had to be a callback, it
had to be intentional.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
She said, Oh, fuck, I remember, because they asked everyone
a question like, hey, everyone, do you feel this? You know,
because there's something about the rain and stuff. I got
she yeah, and she said something about she.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
Said something about the cross and the way it was
making her feel. And I feel like it was a nod,
a foreshadow to the end, because that would end up
being was saved. But yeah, otherwise her being psychic did
really nothing, is like, but then there's times where it's
like she's not psychic at all, And then she's, oh,
I think I can feel where he is and points

(29:18):
to the desk in the in the drawer in the
map of the mining town is there. I'm like, why
it just open the fucking drawer. There's no point in
it being the psychic discovering the.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
Mat right when she gets uh possessed and is talked
speaking through or the other people are speaking through her,
that could that didn't She didn't have to be psychic
for that.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
It's really like the only thing about that, honestly, God,
I feel like that's the only reason that she is psychic.
That is that one moment where you think she's feeling something,
it's like, oh, these feelings I'm getting are much deeper
than last time. There's some dark shit going on here.
Well that's because she's possessed, right, It's like it that's
the only thing that really the cross, her pointing out

(30:04):
the cross, and whenever the fuck she said that led
to the ending, And yeah, her. You're thinking she's having
a vision or something, but really she's possessed. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
Otherwise, Yeah, truly didn't need her to be a psychic.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yeah, unless it was just a way to just set
those moments up, I guess. Yeah. I'm the same.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
With the RV jump scare at the beginning, it was
because she was telling them how to feel deep and
center themselves and then get scared by the RV.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Yeah, that was gonna be a I was hoping that
was gonna be a really cool moment too. It seemed
like something suspenseful was about to happen, and we're about
to get a big foreshadow moment where she actually does
have a vision or something and they ruin it with
the fucking RV horn. I'm like, oh, man, aw man. Yeah,
so only a few things that just kind of frustrate me.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Then, did he talk about the comedy in this yet
this show yet? Or is that just in the spoiler?

Speaker 1 (31:01):
I think that it doesn't mean the spoiler for you.
One don't think we talked about what we have. I
don't think we talked about the details of it so
far in this Yeah, I yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
There definitely were some some cop comedic moments. A lot
of them worked, in my opinion, a lot of them works.
There were a few that were kind of like, really
forced is it?

Speaker 1 (31:24):
It's one of those tonal inconsistency moments where like, I'm
not bothered by comedy and horror. Right when doctor hill
we is reintroduced into the movie and he's like, oh damn,
this dude is actually involved in the what's actually going
on here? And he's he's explaining to her that it's like, yeah,

(31:45):
you gotta you can't sit still, Yeah, you can't sit still,
and she was just like what and then blows up
and I was like, that's clearly I thought that was
a bit of an awkward comedy moment. Right.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
We have the the the night where they all blow up,
which effect was great.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Yeah, it was funny. You think they're gonna start vomiting
and all of a sudden they blow up. Yeah, Like
it was funny.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
And then we have all these funny moments where they're
all blowing up, and then we're waiting for her to
blow up, and then we see him come in and
explain how he's involved and gives her a hint on
how to end this. So we went from funny moment
to very serious moment to a huh, and then she

(32:35):
blows up and now we're right back to super serious. Yeah,
it's just that didn't work for me as well. And
then at the end when or towards the end where
they're fighting our mass killer friend, Yeah, and they just
keep smacking them with heavy shit and it's just not
affecting him.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
Well, the thing is, we the first night we established
that dude's tank. Yeah, he eats the chair. He doesn't
even stumble the first time he gets hit with that
chair and with the knife and the neck. Yeah it
was in the shoulder, right, he wasn't that on the shoulder.
He gets stabbed like in the back of the shoulder,
but he doesn't flinch. Man, it didn't even bother him.
And then we get to the end of the movie

(33:16):
and all of a sudden, he's getting his ass whooped.
He's reacting to being hit by a chair and things like,
he's still taking them though he's taking them. But then
fucking Max uppercuts him. He just he's just a regular
ass dude. Up hits him with the uppercut and knocks
down like basically unconscious on his back. Yeah, Yeah, that
was like, he fucker got stabbed earlier, didn't flinch, and

(33:39):
now he gets upper cut by Max has ever thrown
a punch in his life, and he's is down for
the count. Yeah that was I was like, ah right, yeah,
I was like, what a little crab. But but if
you go off my theory that.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
This is all manifestation, he was getting weaker in that
moment because she was getting stronger.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
Yeah, I think about it could be David Sandberg thought
about these things honestly, could be. Yeah, but then it
would help you. I want to explain that a little.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
Bit, right, But right I think two podcasters shouldn't have
to figure that out for you. Oh yeah, yeah, it's
like jk Rowling, which she's like, oh yeah, by the way,
here's more from a movie from twelve years ago that
no one asked for and there's no other supporting documentation
other than me saying it right now. Yeah, kind of
like yeah, that's what I was going for. Yeah, So

(34:28):
I otherwise I thought the comedy worked. I thought there's
one other.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Part that threw me off, and I can't well, when
it's Clover and Max in there, when he has to
kill her, when he splits her throat. Uh. I thought
he was gonna be a genius for a second because
he drinks some water, right, and so he knows he's
gonna blow up, and then he yells out at Melanie
as a win to go. Thought was like, Oh, he's

(34:53):
gonna run to her and blow her up and then
she'll respawn.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
I wasn't thinking that. I just thought would be. But
I thought it'd be a way to get rid of
a when to go. That's that's not a bad idea.
That's what I thought was gonna happen. She was gonna respawn.
I wouldn't. It wouldn't make sense based on the way
you're becoming a when to go every night, you're gonna
be coming.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
More and when to go, but so when to go
as it go.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Yeah, But I thought he was gonna be like, this
is our way of take clearing out one of the
wind to goes went to worry about anymore, and then
he just yelled I can't. When he yells, it wasn't
like a rock go fuckers. He yells something at her, uh,
you piece of ship or something like that, or and
then he blows up. Yeah, and that's it. What Yeah, Okay, he.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Could have just you know, drank the water and sat
there or slit his own throat or why.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
When Clover the two times Clover has Max to kill her,
I'm like, just do it yourself. Yeah, just kill just
kill yourself. Obviously she's not very good. She's tried twice.
Maybe that's the problem. But yeah, she's like, yeah, just
kill me, and he's gonna try to choke her out.
I'm like, what the You really couldn't find another way? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (36:02):
That was that was tough.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
Yeah. And then when they're out in the woods, he's
like just hands them a piece of glass and he's
just nonchalantly throat. It's like, okay, oh very poorly too,
Like I mean, it works. But then she goes thank
you and yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
It's like in Borderlands where the guy uh I think
it's shooting mcshoot face scream is on a ledge and
literally just screams at you the whole.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Time, show me the face show and.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
Then he will do that over and over and over.
You could leave him and he'll be right there and
then you shoot him in the face and as he
his face explodes and he falls off the ledge.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
Thank you. Yeah, it was like that where she's like
thank you. Yeah, that could have been a very emotional moment.
I guess, yeah, but they're going to respawn anyway. So it's.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
But at that time, was that the time where she
didn't she flashed back?

Speaker 1 (37:05):
Then?

Speaker 3 (37:06):
Yeah, that was the last night and she didn't wake
up right away, right, So yeah, that could have been
a very powerful moment then, because then he would have
when she woke up. Max could have been just balling
his fucking eyes out because he's like, after our talk
last night and then you died and I respond and
you didn't.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Yeah, it could have been the establishment of if you
if you kill each other, it doesn't work, or.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
Yeah, maybe that's what they were going for. But I
guess it was the last night, some don't come back,
even though that wasn't the case. He was just locked up.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Yeah. Man, it's also just digging in the overthinking. We're
overthinking it. That's what we do, that's what we do.
But so the first night, Max gets stabbed in the eye.
Next morning he wakes up, he's got a black eye.
Megan gets her ass whooped, she's thrown.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
Wall Oh yeah, nicked up by one leg, just like
a flyswater.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
That her face gets smashed on over again, and that's
one of the practical effects that it was in camera
and match cutting essentially, he yeah, and but the next
day she wakes up and her face is all fucked up.
And I don't know what else happened to everybody else whatever,
but they all clearly show that they got yeah, they

(38:28):
got damage. But then we skipped from night five to
night thirteen, and other than establishing, uh, watch his face
zoning out his name, abe right, yep, yeah abe, they
he's like, hey, guys, my back all right, and he's
got like a fucking when to go spine, yes growing in.

(38:50):
Other than that, they all look fine.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
They did have like those like black veins all over
their faces and their hairs falling out. But other than that,
you just think by how much damage was showing more
and more nights one through five, you think by night
thirteen they were fucked And that's the thing, you know,
because Nina is writing in the book every time, and
you see everyone else has done that is they're like
so fucked up that they can't write in the book anymore. Right,

(39:15):
It looks bad, So you think they'd be awful at
night thirteen. But then all of them go out and
beat the fuck out of the mass killer and they're fine. Yeah,
so like that kind of that was another way.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
By by skipping the nights and only looking at the
phone footage, you kind of forget that, Hey, they just
went through eight more nights and they're fine.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
Right, unless you just don't retain that damage, maybe it'll
will last the ones night, one night, because.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
I don't know then how then why can you only
last thirteen nights? Why? Why is it when you're writing
in the guest book, you're getting worse and worse, and
you're you're also.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
Turning into a wind to go, So maybe that's why
your brain's not working.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
As you would just think if that was their last night,
they would be one. Yeah, they'd be like one, or
like showing real like their eyes start going white and
she like they were showing real signs of being a
wind together. And you don't really get any of that.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
Just a couple of teeth, the nails were getting sharp,
and then the spine, yeah, and the veins that's it.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Yeah, and they actually like the hair. They were physically
acting the same. Oh yeah, it wasn't emotionally affecting that
I recall I don't recall any like I have a
crazy mutant. Maybe that's why Max can knock out the
mask Killer, because the power of a when to go?
Is that what we're going with.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
Maybe they they all would have at that point, really, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
They should have been kicking ass a long time.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
Yeah, we'ren't it picking.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Yeah. I was thinking when Clover, you know, and Clover
goes up by herself, steps over the rock, trips and
falls and lands right next to the spike, Yeah, it
reminded me so much of how the quick time events
work in the game. I don't know if that was intentional,
because all that really does establish the fact that the
spike is there so she can pin Melanie's when to

(40:56):
go body to it. But I was like, man, that
felt so much like a quick time.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
Event passed a quick time right there, you miss it,
You're going on that spike, right. I don't know if
that's intentional or not, but that's how I felt when
I saw it. I'm like, that's that's good.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Yeah there.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
But then yeah, it was just used to establish that
that's how she's gonna take out Melanie. But I'd like
to think that was a call but to the game.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
I also thought Melanie died a little too easily. For sure,
I didn't. I mean, we saw earlier where in the
videos where I think it was Max was beaten, like
stabbing or smashing a windygo's head and it was just
bood blood, blood, morgun and he's like, why won't you
fucking die?

Speaker 3 (41:38):
Their head was fucking flat, and and that they still
got up and attacked him. Yeah, and now, but Melanie
only just takes a little spike to the heart.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
It was like the stomach.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
Yeah, it wasn't that high. Yeah, she was fine.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
She also.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
Got a bear trapped to the face and was fine.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yeah that see that. There you go, that's a direct example. Well,
like she should have been fucked after that. But they
have the spike through the I guess it kind of
looks like it was right through her spine. I don't
know if that means anything. For a while ago, but
I just thought she if she's stuck there and she's
too weak to get up, cool, But I thought she
should be showing some sign of life, you know. I
kind of like a Sean in the Dead moment when

(42:18):
that zombie falls through the pipe, kind of.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
Like a moment like that. But yeah, we don't. She's
just dead, she's gone, or or maybe she respawns at
the end of the next night. O don't what a
load of crap. Yeah, that's not gonna happen. But now
if they make a sequel, were getting hate Penantyer, please please?
I mean they have to be thinking and until Dawn

(42:44):
game sequel since they created a new ending for the remaster.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
But she can do that.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
I mean you kind of have to write it's so
hot right now. Yeah, I mean, especially because I don't
know how well read the remaster, so it didn't. It
didn't get good reviews, even though I think it should have.
I thought it would. I know, it's different. They changed
some cinematic angles and stuff, but the game is ultimately
the same. I really didn't find myself being like, oh,

(43:11):
they ruin this, they ruin that. I I don't know, Yeah, yeah,
I don't know. Gamers. Gamers are weird sometimes. It's like
the Oblivion remass. Gamers just don't like change exactly. They
would rather bust out, blow the dust off their ps fours,
play the og.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Yeah, it's not even gamers, it's it's fandom. Fandom doesn't
like change.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
Yeah, yeah, this until dawn the movie, though, showing sixty
sixty two percent from the critics and no audience yet
sixty two percent six point one on IMDb update that
it's six point one.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
I was thinking the whole time I was at I
was out of six. Like, the whole time was like,
this is a decent, fun horror film, above average. We're
having a good time, but it's something you should see
in theaters. And then doctor Hill happens and he comes back,
and we get the the psych the therapy, you know,
you get the psychiatrist appointment in there, and you have

(44:16):
all that, and then you have the you get the
cabin and the snow and I'm like, ah, I think
you see Josh Harrington and I'm like, dude, it was
just cool. It just took it to another level to me.
So I give it a free point for that. I'd
go all the way to seven. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
Like I said, I sat there and I was just like, man,
this is great. I really enjoy in this movie. And
I thought seven the whole time as well. I don't
know if it's gonna be run the one that I rewatched, though.
That's that's the thing. I'll rewatch The Monkey and Hard
Eyes over and over.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
But I already watch it again for sure. It's not
gonna be like one I can keep on loot, but
it's it's one that I've watched again for sure when
it comes out on VOD and I will buy a
physical for it as well.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
It came out in April.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
Maybe I'll watch in like the winter, Like I don't know,
do you know what I mean? Like I kind of
got the vibe. I'm like, oh, this would be fun
to watch in December in the dead and night winter
at four pm when the suns down.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
You know what I thought was interesting because so what
happened is that there was like the coal mine. It's
a coal mine, right, yes, the coal mine disaster and
the town ends of getting buried, and so the how
the museum that they're in has windows in the basement,
and the windows are in the basement because that used
to be the main floor of the house but it's

(45:43):
not anymore because of the disaster. But so they are
the front door, the original front door of the house
in the basement. That's where they had to go down
that tunnel, and it basically combines it's a tunnel that
leads to the rest of the town, and that's how
they get to the psych ward and things like that.
But I was thinking, I was like, man who dug
the tunnels? They opened that front door that was buried,

(46:06):
very clean tunnels, very well carved out. They got lighting
down there. So is any of that real?

Speaker 3 (46:14):
And who built a new welcome center on top of
the old one?

Speaker 1 (46:18):
Yeah? Is Doctor Hill? Really? It's gotta all be fake.
The whole thing has to be made up in Clover's mind.
It has to be. I feel like the entire movie
is actually taking place inside of Doctor Hill's office and
Clover is literally imagining all of this. Maybe, and if
they were to say that that same thing is happening

(46:41):
in Josh's head in the game, I could buy into that,
because really they're saying the appointments are happening in Josh's head.
But what I feels the other way around. The appointments
are real. The game itself is a manifestation of Josh's mind.
Think about it. Although we have povs that or where
Josh is not involved. Well, then there's the news reports.

(47:04):
Though the news reports we're talking about the anniversary of
the mine collapse.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
Yeah, before they even got to the town. When she
was in the gas station, which was outside of Glore Valley.
Glore Valley, they were outside of that town. I guess
he was still his gas station that he was at,
So maybe he could have manipulated that as well.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
I think that was real. I don't so maybe that's
how he was introduced. May that's how he jeorged her.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
That was that moment, maybe because because yeah, that welcome
center was built on top of the old Welcome center.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
Yeah, and it's like every night a new building is established.
Then there's a ferris wheel at the Yeah, they get
to night thirteen, we skip ahead and they look out
the window and there's a whole town out there ferris wheel.
So yeah, I understand that the movie is supernatural right
at that we're talking about when it goes here, but

(48:04):
in time loops like right, But it just feels like
it's all in her head.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
I don't know, could be maybe, Yeah, especially now moving
forward with the sequel aka the Game. Yeah, how do
they relate to each other?

Speaker 1 (48:25):
Yeah? And if if it's not, because the what they
just established in the end of Until Dawn is that
it's a whole new location. So if you're doing that,
then it has nothing to do with Gloor Valley, right,
has everything to do with what doctor Hill's doing specifically.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
Right, those TVs in Glore Valley Sanitarium are now showing
a winter cabin.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
So yeah, it could literally be nothing more than like,
hey gotcha fuckers, Like just well, again a hat tip
to the gaming fan. It could be and then there's
no sequel. Well yeah, I mean that that could very
well happen. But I just like, if they're gonna do it,
what is David Sandberg thinking right now about the end

(49:10):
and how we go into this the next movie? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (49:14):
Yeah, interesting, tell you what. Whenever the conversation comes up,
like who is hot right now? When it comes to horror,
it's always Jordan Peel, Mike Flanning, Flannagan. Put some respect
on David F.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Sandberg. Yeah, he's never truly missed in horror. I understand horror. Yeah,
I mean, I like you saying I don't like the
second one, you know, but yeah, like lights Out, I
think like David Sandberg is kind of like your low
budget horror guy. He's a YouTuber man. Yeah, like lights

(49:51):
Out should not be a good movie. The premise is dumb. Yeah,
well what do you The short film is great, but
what do you do beyond that? So the fact that
they made a feature film that solid, and then he
comes in and makes a sequel to annabel that was awful,
it's really bad. And then he goes and Creations is
really good.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
Regarded among that franchise.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
It's a lot of fun. Yeah. So it's like, damn,
this guy just keeps doing it. Now with until Dawn,
you got to completely turn the story on its head
and make some ship up. And he had fun. Man,
he's got some good scares in there, and he at
the same time has characters that are.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
Fun to watch. Yes, absolutely so. And maybe he edited
those end credits.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
I man, the watching the end credits, I was like,
this feels a lot like the annabel Creations end credits,
which I know he made those fucking house in his house. Yeah,
I just yeah, that's cool. It's so it's so cool
to see what he's done. DIY, that's making it endo
two big boy Hollywood movies like the Annabelle and annabel Creation.

(51:00):
They needed an insert that that was it was fucking
up the pacing. If they didn't have the insert so
they had to establish blood on the floor, blood dripping. Well,
he had floorboards from the house they shot in, just
took them, put him in his own house like four boards,
lays him down his house, sets the lighting up, himself,
drops some blood there shone on his like sony a

(51:20):
seven s or something, and it's in the movie. Yea,
his own little shot in his house. Like that's just
so cool. And then again he made he took pay
newspapers that were used in the film, made super like
eight K quality digital scans of them and used them
to make the end credits. Ran about creations just by himself.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
Again, he he's a YouTuber. He he's he's on the
same level as all these YouTube filmmakers.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Yeah, he's he.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
Got his shot and he's been hitten, and but he
still remembers where he came from with stuff like that,
he still remembers where he came from.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
And look at and even with the until dawn, like
this is a big ip for sure, gets PlayStation productions right,
and he goes and before the movie comes out, puts
out a video showing like I said, pre viz essentially
even though it's pre practical effects. Yeah, but he shows
how they wanted to do it, and he shot out

(52:19):
with his wife Latta and he yeah, he breaks it
down in the YouTube video he says he's going to
do more in the future. After it's been a few
weeks and.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
Spoilers, Hollywood director that's made multiple feature films is still
posting on his YouTube channel cool for us, like that's awesome.
Don't forget where you came from, and he doesn't.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
I want to. I want someone like Ryan Conley to
get the same break, ye David Sandberg has, and see
if he keeps doing it, See if he keeps showing
off how they take the world of DIY filmmaking and
brought it to Hollywood.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
Well even the time, the time it takes to do that,
David Sandberg's a busy guy and he's literally a millionaire.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Oh for sure, Like there's there's no point in him
doing it other than just to give back to the
community that that blew him up in the first place.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
He doesn't forget where he came from, and that's why
he deserves to be in that conversation of who's hot
in horror right now?

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Yeah, I will anytime I see his name on something,
I always be like Yeah, okay, I love to meet him. Yeah.
I appreciated his cameos in there too. Yes, and lat
does yep.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
She was the news reporter.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Yeah. And she's one of the missing beeps. Yep, one
of the missing beats.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
But she was a news reporter and she was missing
a missing news reporter.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
Which how does that work into the plot?

Speaker 3 (53:36):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
I wasn't paying attention. So is the news reporter? Yeah?
Was she? Does she show up to the museum at
some point, must have done a story? Bullshit? Yeah. I
was thinking when they said like either you escape, you
survive until dawn, or you become part of the night,
I thought that it was going to establish that they

(53:59):
were like every creature you're seeing is one of the
people that were missing, right, and like Melanie was gonna
be the mass killer or something. But yeah, they become Whendygoes,
which I guess also brings in a question like what
are the creatures the wind to Goes. We get with
the Windo Goes and the people that were missing and
didn't survive until dawn, We get that, but who what

(54:23):
is the mask killer? What is the witch? What is
the fucking sash out?

Speaker 3 (54:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (54:29):
The iron Giant out there. Yeah, what is so is
that the manifestations of previous patients, is that what those are?
And so the manifestation of Clover is the exploding water
is the poison water?

Speaker 3 (54:45):
Well, because he even said, you know, mass killer.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
Everybody's scared of that.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
Uhh yeah, you kind of get Did he say the
Witch or the iron Giant? I don't know, I don't think,
because he talked about the ways then that they died,
then the other visions that they saw, so yeah, maybe
well then because they then they went on to be like,
you know, you can either you escape or you become

(55:11):
you join it. Yeah, and then she joins. She becomes
a masked killer in the Witch's house. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
oh yeah. And then you're like, oh so, so can
you choose? And she did, I guess, choose then to
be a part of it. But then she got ran

(55:32):
over by the truck.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
But she's possessed by the Witch, I.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
Guess because she wasn't gonna get hit by the truck.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
Truck came.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
She wasn't looking, and the truck came and hit her.
The mask killer hit her with the jeep intentionally, intentionally,
but it wasn't like she was like, Okay, I'm standing
in the road.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
You can run over me now. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
So yeah, it makes you think that you have the
choice you can escape or join it, like, oh, I'll
just join.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
When when she had the those man scone and stuff
and we're in the clown the clown in the rock
and chair, I was like, this feels like Taro. All
of a sudden, it was like, this is a well
produced Tarot, which is not a I mean, I guess
I thought Tarot was a very tiny bit underrated. I
think that movie's a little bit better than it got
credit for it. It's still bad dog Pee not dog Pool, Yeah,

(56:20):
yeah basically, but then yeah, then it cleans up after that.
So I don't know, but I tell you what, I
think they clickbaited a little bit with the creatures and
how the movie works, which is fine because we get
something cooler with Doctor Hill and what we're doing with
a potential sequel, for sure, But like the trailer showed

(56:41):
Iron Giant and that's it. That's the shot. Yeah, that's
the only time you see that fucker the whole movie. Yeah,
and then I guess they give you the mass Killer
a lot more than what it seemed like they were
gonna do. Yeah, yeah, there's that's like it for creatures,
right when to go Iron Giant mass Killer, which, yeah,

(57:07):
the way it was marketed, it felt like thirteen nights,
thirteen different creatures. That's not what it is, correct, correct, interesting, Yeah,
that's fine. I really wanted to see someone get fucked
up by the Iron Giant. It wasn't in the budget.
I guess, pick up the fucking jeep and just I thought,
see that could have been one of the deaths. Yeah,

(57:27):
like they could be like, all right, we the car
can leave, we can get outside of the rain. Let's
all all five of us would take off in the
jeep and go as far as we can see what happens,
and they're driving oveloks like they're about to make it,
and then steps on them. Yeah yeah, I thought that'd
be fun, like get it in there somehow, but it's
just one shit, let's get it. Let's get around him.
He's moving really slow, picking up his leg. Let's just

(57:48):
drive past him and then yeah, yeah, that would have something. No,
he was just scary. It wasn't in the budget.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
Scary Iron Giant and doing a.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
Wide shot of a giant thing is a lot easier
than getting into the d tails. Yeah, sitting out there
in the dark, it was a little bit easier.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
I wonder what other creature because there was a lot
of the missing people, and if that is what's happening,
if their manifestations become creatures of everybody who's been there,
it's got to be a lot of those fuckers out there.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Yeah, but doesn't have to be a creature. It can
be the poisonous water.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
It could be something like that, right, Yeah, they're manifestations.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Yeah, maybe someone scared of Ferris Wheels. Yeah, it could
be afraid of heights or something.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
I'm afraid of onunsecured heights.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
So isn't everyone afraid of unsecured heights?

Speaker 3 (58:38):
Like I couldn't do a roller coaster where you lay
on your stomach and your legs are dangling, you know.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
I always I always hated that idea too, uh, like
Superman at six Flags. I was like, I would do
any roller coaster here, I'm not doing Superman, honest to god.
That was I did it with my brother baited me
into it, and I was shocked at how.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
Secure it was, even like ski lifts for me, not
like piss them up pants like legs dangling. No, thank you,
Ferris Wheels. No, the gondola ones. I can kind of
do well.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
Ferris Wheels a pretty jang dude, like at any carnival
ride that that's one of the worst ones.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
Yeah, like where those are? So if my legs are hanging,
I'm not into it.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
But your your legs aren't hanging in a Ferris whel
Technically some do, but a lot of usually you have
a footrest. But but yeah, but then it's nothing right
in front of you. I can't.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
I don't fuck with that.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
Those are pretty rinky dinky. But it's carnival ones.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
But yeah, maybe that maybe it was my fear ski
lift I get and a lot of people ride them
without putting the bar down. I would I need to
call extra bars. I remember when we went skiing and
I went on the ski lift. I literally was just
like and I hated skiing.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
So yeah, you uh you went on the baby lifts? Thought, yeah,
I still you went down Old Main and one, so
you had to go on that big lift, big lift.
Those those are fucking tiny compared with and.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
Then like like the Iowa Stayed Fair they have the
sky ride that takes it all the way across, and
it's basically just a ski lift, but it's not vertical,
it's straight horizontal.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
But yeah, your legs are dangling.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
It's just one sixty year old bar of metal. Just
I'm like, fuck, no, I am gonna walk.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Yeah, But Superman, like I said, that was It's honestly
the most secure I've ever felt in a roller coaster.
I fit easier as a big guy too, Like when
I went on Batman. This is when I was probably
at least fifty pounds lighter than I am now. I
just like my chest was at at a big chest

(01:00:44):
and it was right at the limit where they could
barely clip it. And I felt way worse than that
ride than I did Superman. I was like, dude, and
your feet are dangled on that too. You're sitting on
a bench and your feet dangled down and then you
have the chest support them. Now with Dude, I had
a guy came in and sicking, like punch the thing
into me to get to click down in the last click. Actually,

(01:01:05):
it was even worse than that. We're on the story
for the story here. I can't that Man was okay.
Once you're in you're in because then they belt it
down to Superman was fine. All the other smaller rides
with the Joker was still a thing at that time.
I think that's gone now. There was the Raging Bull,
which probably be like the most famous one there. It's

(01:01:25):
got the big ass drop the carts. On Raging Bull,
it's like you're sitting in a regular imagine a roller
coaster cart, but there's no front. It's just a one pad.
It's one pad to go on your stomach connected to
one single metal bar yep, and that drops down on
you on your stomach. Yeah, well I my fat ass

(01:01:47):
I but again it wasn't that fat at the time, dude, Like,
I was in pretty good shape. I was playing college
football at that time. And yeah, they couldn't get to click.
And there's a red line on the bottom of the
bar that shows the bear the limit where if you're
not past that line, you're not good. Well, this dude
came in again, shoved the shit into me really hard,

(01:02:08):
and it was halfway on the red line. I'm like,
this sucks. I was cool with everything else we were doing.
That is so scary looking. And yeah, basically until you
get to the big drop. You have no idea if
you're actually gonna be held in place or not. It
was fine, obviously, but yeah, I was shitting my pants
that whole time. And there's no word to hold onto

(01:02:28):
because you don't have a rail in front of you.
It's just that one fucking bar, the one pad that
was the most unsafe ever felt in the roller coasters
a moment.

Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
Yeah, no, I don't fuck with that shit a secured height.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
It's the same thing happened on American Eagle. Dude, I
now I'm looking back this the whole trip traumatized me
on American Eagle, which is it's a full card, so
it's not nearly a scary like the bar were to
come off, i'd have shit to grab onto. I'd be fine.
But that was another one. They were like, we're sitting
in like the third row. I push it down myself
and we're about to go, and the guy, the guy

(01:03:05):
running the ride, he's like, hey, card three not secure.
I was like, oh man, I wonder who's what fat
ass can't get his belt on and then come up
and push mine down. I'm like, god damn it. Yeah,
good fuck good times. Now I'm way too big. I
don't think there's a single amusement park ride that I

(01:03:26):
could get onto. I got about another fifty pounds a go,
and then anything for a life. Now, there's no way
I'll ever get anything that goes over my chest. I'll
never get it down. I'm just too big now and
my tits aren't going anywhere. I worked hard for these tits,
you know, like the girls would double d's in there.

(01:03:48):
They can't ride them. Yeah, if it's anything that goes
on my chest, I'll never get in a ride now,
but I can probably get some of my stomach can
earn that back.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
My tummy hood too bad, Mike can't go.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
By like the Giant Drop. I never be able to
ride that again. I'll never get the bar overrom my chest. Damn,
I never be able to ride Batman again. I think
Superman I have some wiggling room, and Superman I think
I can get in there.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
Moral of the story, I'm scared of.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Thank you for coming to my ted talk today. That
was fun.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
So if you want to take me on a date
to Ferris Wheel, I'm gonna say no.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
I'll take you on a date to Firesweel. You imagine
me and you on a Rinky Dak Carnival not allow it.
They will. I bet you did allow it. Those guys
don't give off those parties. Those carnies don't give a
fuck about your safety. Dude. It's not their problem.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
That they're You're not suing the carnie. You're suing. Your
family will be suing the amusing park. Someone don't even
do it. Even carnival rides like you know, the Zipper.
My ass would never get in one of those.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
Again. Yeah, I haven't been on one of those since
I was like fourteen or thirteen. I was thirteen, I think,
And the only reason I did it is because one
of my brother's little girly friends offered to take me
on it. She was like a high school senior or
I'm pretty cute. I was like, oh, yeah, sounds fun.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
I'm not scared.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
Sounds fun. Her name was Paige. Oh, I don't know
if you know. I don't I say her name? Is
that a big deal? Paige Canodle? Just bleep it?

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
Ye?

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
Do you know you know who she is? I do?

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
Yes, it was her nice. Yeah, so you have you
had to. I had to, you had to.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
I don't even know. I haven't seen her probably since
that day, dude, I haven't heard her name since been
fifteen years. Yeah, so that's the lat first last time
I ever ride that thing. Dude. You see like you you'll
watch that ride. You see like clips fall off of
the fucking thing all the time. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
I was in it one time and the door just
fucking opened.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
Well, we're fucking flipping. I'm like, and they stopped it
and they're like, okay, uh, I'm sorry, would you like
to continue? Do you want?

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
They literally were like, do you want wanna? Do you
want to be done? Or do you want us to
just latch it and we can go. I'm like, I'm done?

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
Yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
The only thing at Carnivals I would get onto or
the zero gravity is the spinning ones because you don't
have to wear the sea butt or anything. You're just
relying on physics to hold you. Yeah, and the like
those I'm cool with, but anything else, like even like
one thousand and one knots, Like, dude, I'm just too
damn big big bumper car. Guy, I can't fit my
ass in those anymore? Is there a weight limit on them? Bitches? Probably?

(01:06:32):
I'm sure the dragon he fuck with the dragon I'll
ride the dragon. Yeah, I just don't go anymore. Yeah,
I beer garden guy. It's you'll find me in the
the margarita section. Yeah, you'll find me in a different town.
When our our town's festival comes to town. Yeah, this

(01:06:55):
year is our reunion is going to be there, though
then I'm definitely not gonna be there reunion. I think
we're they're reserving a room in the bar for our reunion.
Spends how much weight I can lose between now and then.
So far, i've lost sixty five pounds. If we can
get that number ninety by that time, which is it's

(01:07:18):
possible by that time I might show up.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
I'm three fifteen. If I can be like one fifteen
by then, I'll go one fifteen. Yeah, because I'm not
going fuck it, I'll be out of town.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
Sorry, you don't want to go see the bands?

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
No, they're the same bands every year.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
No, they're not. What if what if I'm playing? What
if me and Brendan go up there and play Who's
gonna be playing our drums? That's supposed to be You're
supposed to be a drum guy? Oh yeah, all right? Sweet?
What movie did we watch until? None? Well? The only
reason I go now is to bring my son.

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
He don't even he's not gonna remember it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
Last year they had a machine that I feel like
I got robbed on. I'm gonna cheat this year there's
another one of those. But maybe the bags tournament and
get in there, little corn hole beer pong tournament.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
I'm in. I'm very good at beer pong.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
I don't believe you. I carry us. Do you remember time?

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
Do you remember the Fall Camp Blood beer Pong tournament
of twenty nineteen?

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
Not no, because I lost. Apparently I drank too much.
I lost.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
I won.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
I remember us at Days that at Chicago. Just we
had a party in our hotel room at Days at Chicago,
and I remember running through everybody who does we did?
We were like getting to the point where we were
throwing like freaking fadeaways.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
That was the video of uh Brent as Art. Yes,
drinking the fire but yeah, that night we fit like
twenty people in a standard hotel room.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
Yeah, and we ran them all through paying Pom pom.
Yeah we did. Maybe next year we'll do it again,
all right. I think that's the end of this episode.
That was fun. Seven out of ten seven out of
ten maybe a like tiny bit lower six point eight
out of ten.

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
Check my letterbox see where it ranks among the twenty
twenty five horror movies that I've seen.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
I don't know that's a it's it's a good question
because in terms of true horror, it probably is the best.
Like Hard Eyes is not.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
A horror Hard Eyes, the Monkey Monkeys not a horror film.
Companion companion, It's definitely not a horror film. Like these
things are horror adjacent, but they're to the Monkey's close ish.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
But it is more comedy. It's more comedy. Hard Eyes
is slasher, comedy, romance. It's really it's romance, comedy slasher.

Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
Like right now, I have Hard Eyes as number one,
than Companion is number two, The Monkey at three, Delicious,
which is just a thriller, Okay, at number four, then
Wolfman five, Borderline Into the Deep. I have not placed
Woman in the Arty to the te fuck I forgot.
We watched that, yeahtil you just said it, Yeah we did.

(01:10:16):
I haven't placed Women in the art.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
I watched Woman in the Yard yet. But I know
it's not better until Dawn.

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
No, I you spoiler alert, it's not better than until Dawn.
I honestly, Like I said, I'm gonna rewatch Hard Eyes
like twenty times this year and The Monkey like twenty
times this year.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
Yeah, I don't know if.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
I'm gonna rewatch Until Dawn more than once this year,
but it's so but I really really did enjoy it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
And yeah, if you're ranking just movies this year, this year,
I get like Hard Eyes is probably that one that
we'd watch the most for sure. Yeah, but if you're
ranking horror films, it's a little tricky. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
I I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna put Until Dawn
at number one so far. Wow, that may change by
the end of the year when we do our little
you know, best of worst of.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
I think, uh, well, I actually I think Bloodlines is
going to be the king of the year so far,
uh Julie James has so far, I think Bloodlines is
going to be thrown everything at that moment. Now I
know could change, could also do it. It's gonna I
think Bloodline is just going to be a ton of fun.

(01:11:23):
I really think that's going to be. It's going to
give you the gore you want to see, and it's
just gonna be a good time. So after that, I
don't really know what because hell of a Summer didn't deliver.
I don't know what else is going to come out
this year that could really be the best horror film.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
Yeah, Megan, two, No, it's not horror, it's just action.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
Yeah. Actually, weapons Weapons is making a case for me.
Pretty damn creepy center kind of horror. Jason, I haven't
seen it, but I'm just going off of what we
know about it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
Re release anniversary of Revenge of the Sith.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
It's definitely the best movie of the year. There is
no beating it. All Right, let's wrap this up. Thanks
for hanging out. If you have any let's review for
the show, please do so you can make sure you
subscribe ever you're listening. So here's some more of this
tangent bullshit next week. Yeah, but that is always. Thank
you guys so much for listening, and we'll talk to

(01:12:16):
you next time. Bye.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
To hide your rise from the movie screen, please tone hojeries.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
From the horror screen. Hal of Fame for Phillis. Watch
them take a ball. This slasher has no doubt. They'll
go all about to make every death count

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