May 4, 2025 • 30 mins
In this episode, Michele Schroeder shares information that will help you take control of your health and life. She also gives you important tips and solutions you can use to grow and improve the health of your business. Solutions such as how to create a power partner relationship with a non competitive business to increase customer referrals and sales.
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Call Michele at (435) 268-5352
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Hello, and welcome back to another exciting adventure in the
world of make it easy for people to give you money.
My name is Michael Mullenhauer. I'm the president of One
to A Network. We're an advertising in marketing company with
locations in southern New john also South Rage County around
the Laguna Beach area. Got a great show for it
today an excellent guest. Her name is Michelle Shorter and
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she is a certified autoimmune disease specialist and a health
and wellness coach for people who want to take back
control of their lives and their health. But first we
do want to give a big shout out to our
show supporters. Today we want to thank Nurse Melinda Goodwin
from Finish First Medical, a direct primary care clinic in
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Saint George that offers brehensive primary care services now. Melinda
also hosts the what Now podcast that covers topics about
cancer and suicide, and also the Wellness Code podcast that
covers topics on stem cell regenerative therapy, and general medicine.
Check out all of her podcasts on YouTube and all
(01:19):
the major podcast channels. And as I mentioned earlier today,
my special guest today is Michelle Schueder, Michelle, how you
doing today.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I'm doing great. Thanks for having me here today.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Oh, You're more than welcome. It's a joy and a
delight to have you. Now. As I mentioned earlier, you
are a certified autoimmune disease specialist and the health and
Wellness coach, Isn't that correct? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I'm a National Board sort of find health and Wellness
coach and I specialize in autoimmune disease.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Okay, And you've got a whole bunch of initials after
your name, like the CNTC, and so what do all
those things mean?
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Well, the National Board Certified Health and Wellness Coach is
one of them. And then I'm also a certified Transformational
Nutrition Coach, and I'm a certified neuro coach as well
as a certified autoimmune disease specialist. So that's what all
those initials are. And as of next week, I'll be
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a certified AIP.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Coach as well.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
What's an AIP.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Coach Autoimmune protocol And it's just a way of it's
not just nutrition, but it's a lifestyle protocol for people
who have autoimmune disease well helping with things like nutrition, sleep,
stress management and all of those.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Kind of things.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Well, for you guys who are regular listeners. You know,
I was trying to have people that have lots of
initials after their name. So you are highly qualified, Michelle
to be here today. I appreciate your being here today.
Tell us a little bit about how you got started
in this whole industry. I know you yourself. One of
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the things that interested you is you suffered from autoimmune
dizzy syndrome. Won't you tell us a little bit about
that and help thiss led you into your current profession.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
I was diagnosed with lupus in twenty eleven, and I
found the conventional treatments to be unsatisfactory for me. I
felt worse on the medication than with the disease, but
I really did want to get well, so I did
a lot of research about how to finatural healing and
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it was a little bit of a long journey for me,
but I eventually decided to become a health coach. I
had already graduated with my bachelor's in psychology, so I've
always been interested in behavioral things, how why people do
the things the way they do. And I had also
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previously had a business with a supplement company where I
was doing some help coaching, helping people with weight and
different supplements and things like that. So it was sort
of a natural evolution. I just evolved into deciding I
wanted to take this a little further and help other
people get well because all of the things I did
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to get well worked really well, and I wanted to
share that with other people.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
That's great. What are some of the things that you
did too to get well?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
So I would The biggest one was change my diet.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Honestly, this autoimmune protocol that I was talking about earlier,
it is an elimination diet that takes some foods out
of your diet, allows your gut to heal, and then
you slowly reintroduce foods so that you can find your
gut has healed, you can find a the most wide
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variety of foods that you were that are right for
your body. And I found that there were just some
foods that were not good for me.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Biggest one.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I know I hate telling people this because they may
not want to give that up, but the biggest one
key that I had to get rid of was gluten
and I had to keep that out. In twenty twelve,
I found that I reduced all my gut problems and
reduced anxiety and a lot of different things just by
eliminating that. So that was kind of my first experience
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with how changing your diet can really help you feel better.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Well, what are some foods that have gluten in them?
I know most people think that, you know, bread is
the first thing has gluten. What are some other foods
that have gluten that you just had to kind of
set aside for a while.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Well, anything that is Basically, if a person has celia disease,
gluten would be defined as rye, barley and wheat. But
there are a high number of foods that contain little
hidden sources of gluten. And there's so many little hidden
sources I have to get my list out and read
it to.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Really tell you what they all are.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
But processed foods is where you find a lot of
these hidden sources. So if I control what I make
in my own kitchen, I usually don't have to worry
about it. If I go out to eat, it can
become more of a problem.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Okay, rye barley and wheat. That sounds like beer and
whiskey to.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Me, Yeah it is. Those are not gluten free foods.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Are you guys listening to Wow, that is pretty impressive.
You know. While we're talking about that, I want to
let everybody know that. Michelle is also part of a
podcast with doctor Lane called The Wellness Warriors, and one
of the podcasts we did a couple of weeks ago
was about food as medicine, and that's one of the
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things that you just brought up. And one of the
things I remember we talked about was the fact that
a lot of medical doctors other than doctor Lane don't
really tell people about their diet and how they can
use food as medicine. They don't always have to take
some expensive drug addicting prescription to get through this. Tell
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us a little bit more about how you're using food
as medicine for yourself and also recommending it for your clients.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Yes, So, one of the primary factors in autoimmune disease
is inflammation, and your immune system is overactivated.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
It's not balanced or modulated, I guess is a better
word for it. So some of you're making.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
You're maybe responding to proteins and food in an autoimmune situation,
so your body detec exit as a pathogen instead of
as something nourishing to your body because the protein in
the food matches so closely with the protein in your tissues,
and so it will attack your tissues. And whenever your
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immune system turns on, it's actually trying to protect you.
It's trying to keep you from being destroyed by a pathogen,
a virus, or a bacteria or something like that. So
to use food as medicine you're basically just really reducing
inflammation by choosing anti inflammatory foods. You have a situation
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autoimmune disease too, where you might be overutilizing certain nutritional
components because of the inflammation that's going on in your
body all the time. So you need a really high nutrient,
high nutrient diet, a lot of nutrient density in order
to provide your body with the right amount of nutrition,
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and so anti inflammatory high nutrition and that becomes extremely
important also for helping with gut help. Your immune system
is seventy located in your gut, so you really need
to have it working. You need an anti inflammatory diet
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in order to have good gut help and good repair
along the gut lining so that your immune system works
at its best.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
What are some examples of some anti inflammatory foods.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
So always I always start with fruits and vegetables, but
they're the most obvious. And because I actually read a
study once that said, if you eat meat, for example,
and they take your blood test right afterward, you will
have a little bit of an inflammatory response.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
If you eat vegetables, you never do.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
If you eat vegetables with meat, you don't have that
anti inflammatory response either. I can't about the study, but
I did read that and I thought that was really interesting.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
That is interesting. So when I'm eating my cheeseburger, it's
important that I include lettuce and tomatoes, onions and pickles,
which will reduce the anti inflammatory.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
I mean, I guess you could think of it that way.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
There's also other things to take into account, such as
the sourcing of your meat. You know, like if you
eat grass fed meat, it's known to be a little
higher in omega threes than your typical conventionally raised meat,
so it'll be a little less inflammatory. Organic tends to
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organic meats tend to be better meats that don't have,
you know, a lot of antibiotics and things like that
given to the animal, with less inflammatory as well. And
then there's all about not just diet, but anti inflammatory
lifestyle is really important.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
As well, such as you know, reducing stress and.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Having good connection with people in less trouble in relationships,
things like that that really helps a lot to keep
information down.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Stress is an inflammatory thing.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Reducing stress, Oh my gosh, I won't be able to work.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, you know. And a lot of people think, oh,
how do you really reduce stress?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
And I would say that you don't have to take
out everything that might cause stress.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
But I help my clients become more aware of how
stress is responding in their body, yeah, and find stress
modulating behavior that they can do to bring that stress
level down in their body.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
You know.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
One of the things I do to reduce stress, and
you use the word modulate, which kind of goes along
with what I do, and that is a I play music,
which at the proper frequency helps to modulate or volume.
I find that the music helps to reduce my stress
because I have kind of a high stress job sometimes,
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you know, as we all do. And I find that
a lot of people that engage in like the creative arts.
It could be maybe they play music, or they write poetry,
or they perform or dance or anything that seems to
have a good way to reduce their stress level after
hard days work at the office, and even if they
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are not creative, they just come home and listen to
something soothing as opposed to some yakety yack stuff on
the TV, which makes things kind of worse. It's not.
Oh my gosh, you know, So I don't know, that's
what I do. I don't I'm sure I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Well, I promote anything that people enjoy because that just
tends to relax you when you enjoy it. And another
good one is to get out in nature. Oh yes,
you know, be outside a little bit. That's kind of
a known studied thing that you can really reduce stress
by being in nature.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah, go sit by a stream and soak up some
negative ions and feel much better, much better, much better.
So what type of clientele do you work with, What
kind of people do you work with, and what solutions
do you provide them in their life?
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Well, I have worked with primarily women over fifty. Lately,
my clientele has got a little bit younger. We've had
a lot more autoimmune diseases at younger ages, so a
lot of times they're a little younger than that. But
my primary clientele has been over fifty women.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
And I really enjoy just offering hope to them.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
They you know, sometimes they've been arounds to their medical
doctor and they've not.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Been able to figure out what's actually wrong.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
They suspect an autoimmune disease or they've been diagnosed with
one recently, and so the whole is that there are
things that you can do to actually promote wellness. I
was told by my doctor, Hey, there's something you can do,
just go home and take your medicine. And so I
was happy to find out why it wasn't true.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Wow, So wait a minute, waite. So the doctor, the
medical doctor, he went to you said, hey, Michelle, sorry
that you've got loupis, but there's nothing we can do.
You're just gonna live with this and take your medicine
and don't bug me that what's kind of about it?
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
And I have an aunt who had been diagnosed about
three years before me with the same autoimmune disease, and
she's been taking the medical route, lots of medicines, you know, steroids.
And I'm not saying, by the way that medicines aren't
sometimes necessary or that done wrong to do, but I
can see in her life that she wasn't getting well
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from it.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
She wasn't getting better.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yeah, and as soon as I started taking medication, I
wasn't feeling very well well or getting a better quality
of life either, And so it was important to me
to find another way and have the hope that there
was something I could do. And then I learned that
by modulating stress, getting enough sleep, doing some of these
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natural things, eating better, that my symptoms did disappear and
I was able to get off my medications. And I've
had flare ups here and there, but I know what
to do when I'm in a flare up.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Yeah, no, I think that's good. I was raised in
a household where my parents were big juice fanatics, so
every day I had my glass of Carriage juice or
cell Rey juice. I could not get down to beat juice,
but basically we were big juice fanatics. And I would
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wake up in the morning there'd be my dad in
the kitchen with the juice are making something that was
like this is what guys are having for breakfast today,
And of course I complained, But that's okay because I
think it really really worked. I know it sounds crazy,
but I wear glasses now. But when I was younger,
I started having eye problems and my dad just started
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making a preponderance of courage juice filled with the vitamin
A and I didn't wear glasses for a long time.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Wow, this stuff works great. So I think, well, you know.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
They know for sure that animals need a certain amount
of nutrition in order to thrive. Yeah, and people do too,
But sometimes in our modern world we sort of forget
that and we are stuffed full of processed foods and
things that aren't very good for us, that are really
causing us to be very malnourished and overfed. So but
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we need the right a kind of nutrition in order
to have the correct functioning of our body at the
cellular level.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
And that's and that's what you do in your practice.
You make sure that people are getting the proper nutrition
to make sure their body is functioning. That's optimum potential.
And a couple of questions here. So, as we've talked previously,
I know one of the things you pointed out is
that everybody, everybody's body is different and we all require
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different things. So what may work for one person may
not work for somebody else. So there's no one hard
and fast rule it depends upon your individual needs, your body,
you're metabolism and things like is that true and correct?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yeah, that is true.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
And the problem that we have out there is you
can go and find all kinds of different diets on
the internet, right, You can find so many different things
you can incorporate into your life, and a lot of
people do really well with that, but there comes a
point where they don't know what's working and why, and
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when it stops working, they don't know why. So it's
really nice to have a guide, somebody who's very aware
of all the different nuances that come with how to
fuel your body, and someone who can point you in
the right direction. And even when you go on AIP
protocol per se where I'm helping you with an elimination
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diet and reintroduction of foods, everybody even with the same illness,
like someone I have hashimotos, and they don't respond the
same to the same foods. So you really have to
personalize what to do with people, and it takes a
little bit of knowledge of how to do that in
order to do it correctly.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
I didn't have that help at first. I actually went.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
For quite a few years just not really knowing what
to do, not really knowing what going on. And I'm
a very big proponent of someone guiding another person through it.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
They can see things that you may not be aware of.
I know about the nuances.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
I think that's an important principle that really can apply
to own any business, and that is make sure the
product or service that you're providing to your customer is
not necessarily a one size fits all solution, that it's
personalized to your customer, personalized to your client. One of
the ways that I know you do that is that
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you actually talk to your clients and get to know them,
get to know their needs and the and their goals
and what they're trying to do. So those of you
folks who are listening and maybe you're just starting a business,
or maybe you've been in business for a while, I'm
wondering what you can do to grow your business. I
think one of the things you need to look at
is the principle that Michelle incorporates in her business, and
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that is to look at each individual person and what
fits their needs as opposed to just a one size
fits all Like here's a shirt, you know, well, I'm
allergic to that material, you know, so make sure that
when you're talking to prospective customers that you try to
personalize whatever it is your product or service to your
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customer that will actually help make it easier for them
to give you money and grow your business and increase sales.
So I think that you exemplify that principle by making
sure that all of your services are tailor made for
each specific person and not just you know, eat a banana.
Well I'm largent to you know.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Yeah, yeah, well, and I will say, just in thinking
about other businesses besides the one that I do, I
think this is an important piece for most people is
to make sure they know the client they're trying to reach, like,
know what their problems are, know what they commonly deal with.
And so I'm just putting this out here because that's
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the amount of time I've been in business. I've been
really coaching hundreds of people, and I'm very aware of
who I'm who I'm talking to, and what their common
problems are and what they need. And even though I
personalize it, there are also some very generalized pieces that
I can educate people with as well.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah, well that's that's a good point. What I know,
one of the things that you're doing to help grow
your business? Is that you and doctor Lane just launched
a brand new podcast called The Willness Warriors. Tell us
a little about that.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Yeah, we're just we just decided we wanted to start
talking about some of the mains conceptions out there for
people when it comes to chronic illness, specifically autoimmune disease.
We also wanted to address things that we find to
be really common, like mindset issues, different things that people
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run into or barriers that they have to help, and
so we just we just want to talk about that
and just educate our clientele a little bit before they
start working with us.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Let let them know who we are a little bit
and what we can do.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Yeah. I really like the fact that you guys are
doing that. That's what I call You've created a power
partner relationship, and that is you've kind of excused the
wrestling term, but you've tag teamed with a medical professor,
a professional who has similar interest and services as yours,
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but non competitive. So the two of you together are
stronger than just each of you as an individual going
your separate way.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Absolutely, absolutely, and we reach people in a more thorough
fashion by doing that.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Yeah, I think that's a concept that most people can
should really get behind. So once again, you guys, if
you're starting out of business, or you've got a current
business you're looking to grow to the next level, look
around and see who you know that or maybe you
already have a relationship relationship with that would be a
good power partner, someone in the same space, but non competitive,
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you know. So if you're a CPA, you don't want
to get a bookkeeper as a partner, but you know,
find somebody that would be a good power partner. So
together you compliment each other and you never know, like
Michelle knows some people that maybe doctor Lane doesn't know,
and vice versa. Now now you become not only power partners,
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but now you're referral partners. So I'm sure somebody might
come to you, Michelle and say, oh, I'm looking for
a doctor who can do such and such, and you go, oh, well,
I work with doctor Lane, and doctor Lane can do
these things. So it's a great way to increase potential
referrals and things like that, wouldn't you agree.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Absolutely absolutely a way to serve our clients better as well.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yeah, tell us a little bit about doctor Lane. I
know he is not here to a little bit more
about what he does and how it kind of goes
along with what you do.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
He does alternative medicine. He practices functional medicine, basically testing,
not guests, not guessing. He also is an acupuncturist, and
he also does some regenerative medicine for.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Pain relief and things like that.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
The main practice that we team up on is the
functional medicine and acupuncture. He serves people with acupuncture and
that helps your immune system as well. So all the
things he does are very serving for autoimmune folks.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
And he is a licensed MD too, isn't he.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
He is not. He's a doctor of Chinese medicine.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Oh okay, that's where it is, sure. I know in
our lot one of our conversations we talked about when
we were talking about food is medicine were I was
wondering why it is that a lot of doctors don't
prescribe food is medicine. They're always looking to prescribe some
prescription thing. Is it Is it a money deal or
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why not?
Speaker 3 (25:10):
It's a lack of a lack of education in that area.
So it's really I do not like to cut down
Western medicine but it's a different practice than functional medicine.
So functional medicine is intent on improving the processes in
the body, making them better, getting to the root cause.
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Western medicine is diagnostic. They're really really good at helping
with acute illness. They can put you back together if
you have an accident. They can tame down problems in
the short run to help with medication and things like that.
But they're more focused on managing symptoms, whereas functional medicine
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is more focused on improving processes in the body and
getting to the root cause. We look at things from
an overall perspective, a holistic perspective. Everything affects everything. We
don't just look at like, oh, you have a sore arm,
put a cast on that, Well, how is that infecting
the rest of your body? Is more how seeing it.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
It seems to me that a combination of using both
has their benefits. It's not just the choice of one
or the other. It's as long as their solutions and
answers out there, Let's use all of them. Let's use
everything that we have.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Yeah, And one of the things I can do with
my clients is just like encourage them to put together
a team of specialists that can help them. Not everybody
responds exactly the same to everything, so they need to
know what their options are. They need to know what specialists,
whether that's alternative or natural or Western medicine, can be
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of the most use to them in helping their overall
picture of wellness. I try to help promote that with
my clients as well.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
I think that's a really important thing to do. I
know that you and doctor Lane doing an excellent job
on that. Once again, I do want to want to
give you and doctor Lena shout out on your Wellness
Warriors podcast. I want to remind everybody to please be
sure and take some time to go out there and
check that out. It's available on YouTube and the most
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of the major podcast channels. So when you're looking for
some solutions in terms of health and wellness, be sure
and check out the Wellness Warriors podcast. I think you'll
find it really really informative, informative and beneficial in your life.
And we've got new ones coming out here in the
next couple of weeks. I'm excited to see what you
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guys have going. I want to recamp a couple of things,
especially appertains to the business thing. The two things that
I took away from our conversation today with number one,
for anyone looking to grow your business, it's important to
have some type of personal interest in your customers and
in your clientele. So take a personal interest. Don't just
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do a one size fits all type of thing. Get
to go, get to know your customers and what they
need so you can provide solutions for them. Otherwise you're
just selling them stuff, which is not that big of
a deal. Wouldn't you agree with that?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah? Absolutely, solution to problems.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
That's it you want. And the other thing is it's
helpful to look for a power partner, someone who's a
non competitive collaborator that you can work with. You can
both each promote your business together. It helps to save time,
it saves money, and it expands the reach into the
marketplace to find new clients and new customers. And I
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think that's what you guys have done exactly with your podcasts,
with your Wellness Warriors podcast. And I applied you for that.
That was me. Actually, thank you, Michael, You're welcome. I
tell tell doctor Lane I gave him a standing ovation.
So before we go, how can people get a hold
of you if they have questions and would like to
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know more.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Yeah, you can go to my website Kamischelle Schroer dot
com and you can actually schedule uh discovery Discover your
trigger session is what it's called. Oh and basically I
can kind of help you find out what's triggering your
autoimmune flare ups or your autoimmune disease and define a.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Path forward for how to address it.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Excellent. Yeah, so it's K Michelle with one L and
one e K Michelle shud Er spelled s E h
R O E d e R dot com. Michelle. Thanks,
I will see you guys again next time with another
exciting adventure and make it easy for people to give
you money.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Oh, thank you
Hello, and welcome back to another exciting adventure in the
world of make it easy for people to give you money.
My name is Michael Mullenhauer. I'm the president of One
to A Network. We're an advertising in marketing company with
locations in southern New john also South Rage County around
the Laguna Beach area. Got a great show for it
today an excellent guest. Her name is Michelle Shorter and
(00:35):
she is a certified autoimmune disease specialist and a health
and wellness coach for people who want to take back
control of their lives and their health. But first we
do want to give a big shout out to our
show supporters. Today we want to thank Nurse Melinda Goodwin
from Finish First Medical, a direct primary care clinic in
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Saint George that offers brehensive primary care services now. Melinda
also hosts the what Now podcast that covers topics about
cancer and suicide, and also the Wellness Code podcast that
covers topics on stem cell regenerative therapy, and general medicine.
Check out all of her podcasts on YouTube and all
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the major podcast channels. And as I mentioned earlier today,
my special guest today is Michelle Schueder, Michelle, how you
doing today.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I'm doing great. Thanks for having me here today.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Oh, You're more than welcome. It's a joy and a
delight to have you. Now. As I mentioned earlier, you
are a certified autoimmune disease specialist and the health and
Wellness coach, Isn't that correct? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I'm a National Board sort of find health and Wellness
coach and I specialize in autoimmune disease.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Okay, And you've got a whole bunch of initials after
your name, like the CNTC, and so what do all
those things mean?
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Well, the National Board Certified Health and Wellness Coach is
one of them. And then I'm also a certified Transformational
Nutrition Coach, and I'm a certified neuro coach as well
as a certified autoimmune disease specialist. So that's what all
those initials are. And as of next week, I'll be
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a certified AIP.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Coach as well.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
What's an AIP.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Coach Autoimmune protocol And it's just a way of it's
not just nutrition, but it's a lifestyle protocol for people
who have autoimmune disease well helping with things like nutrition, sleep,
stress management and all of those.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Kind of things.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Well, for you guys who are regular listeners. You know,
I was trying to have people that have lots of
initials after their name. So you are highly qualified, Michelle
to be here today. I appreciate your being here today.
Tell us a little bit about how you got started
in this whole industry. I know you yourself. One of
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the things that interested you is you suffered from autoimmune
dizzy syndrome. Won't you tell us a little bit about
that and help thiss led you into your current profession.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
I was diagnosed with lupus in twenty eleven, and I
found the conventional treatments to be unsatisfactory for me. I
felt worse on the medication than with the disease, but
I really did want to get well, so I did
a lot of research about how to finatural healing and
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it was a little bit of a long journey for me,
but I eventually decided to become a health coach. I
had already graduated with my bachelor's in psychology, so I've
always been interested in behavioral things, how why people do
the things the way they do. And I had also
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previously had a business with a supplement company where I
was doing some help coaching, helping people with weight and
different supplements and things like that. So it was sort
of a natural evolution. I just evolved into deciding I
wanted to take this a little further and help other
people get well because all of the things I did
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to get well worked really well, and I wanted to
share that with other people.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
That's great. What are some of the things that you
did too to get well?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
So I would The biggest one was change my diet.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Honestly, this autoimmune protocol that I was talking about earlier,
it is an elimination diet that takes some foods out
of your diet, allows your gut to heal, and then
you slowly reintroduce foods so that you can find your
gut has healed, you can find a the most wide
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variety of foods that you were that are right for
your body. And I found that there were just some
foods that were not good for me.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Biggest one.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I know I hate telling people this because they may
not want to give that up, but the biggest one
key that I had to get rid of was gluten
and I had to keep that out. In twenty twelve,
I found that I reduced all my gut problems and
reduced anxiety and a lot of different things just by
eliminating that. So that was kind of my first experience
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with how changing your diet can really help you feel better.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Well, what are some foods that have gluten in them?
I know most people think that, you know, bread is
the first thing has gluten. What are some other foods
that have gluten that you just had to kind of
set aside for a while.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Well, anything that is Basically, if a person has celia disease,
gluten would be defined as rye, barley and wheat. But
there are a high number of foods that contain little
hidden sources of gluten. And there's so many little hidden
sources I have to get my list out and read
it to.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Really tell you what they all are.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
But processed foods is where you find a lot of
these hidden sources. So if I control what I make
in my own kitchen, I usually don't have to worry
about it. If I go out to eat, it can
become more of a problem.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Okay, rye barley and wheat. That sounds like beer and
whiskey to.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Me, Yeah it is. Those are not gluten free foods.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Are you guys listening to Wow, that is pretty impressive.
You know. While we're talking about that, I want to
let everybody know that. Michelle is also part of a
podcast with doctor Lane called The Wellness Warriors, and one
of the podcasts we did a couple of weeks ago
was about food as medicine, and that's one of the
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things that you just brought up. And one of the
things I remember we talked about was the fact that
a lot of medical doctors other than doctor Lane don't
really tell people about their diet and how they can
use food as medicine. They don't always have to take
some expensive drug addicting prescription to get through this. Tell
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us a little bit more about how you're using food
as medicine for yourself and also recommending it for your clients.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Yes, So, one of the primary factors in autoimmune disease
is inflammation, and your immune system is overactivated.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
It's not balanced or modulated, I guess is a better
word for it. So some of you're making.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
You're maybe responding to proteins and food in an autoimmune situation,
so your body detec exit as a pathogen instead of
as something nourishing to your body because the protein in
the food matches so closely with the protein in your tissues,
and so it will attack your tissues. And whenever your
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immune system turns on, it's actually trying to protect you.
It's trying to keep you from being destroyed by a pathogen,
a virus, or a bacteria or something like that. So
to use food as medicine you're basically just really reducing
inflammation by choosing anti inflammatory foods. You have a situation
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autoimmune disease too, where you might be overutilizing certain nutritional
components because of the inflammation that's going on in your
body all the time. So you need a really high nutrient,
high nutrient diet, a lot of nutrient density in order
to provide your body with the right amount of nutrition,
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and so anti inflammatory high nutrition and that becomes extremely
important also for helping with gut help. Your immune system
is seventy located in your gut, so you really need
to have it working. You need an anti inflammatory diet
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in order to have good gut help and good repair
along the gut lining so that your immune system works
at its best.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
What are some examples of some anti inflammatory foods.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
So always I always start with fruits and vegetables, but
they're the most obvious. And because I actually read a
study once that said, if you eat meat, for example,
and they take your blood test right afterward, you will
have a little bit of an inflammatory response.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
If you eat vegetables, you never do.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
If you eat vegetables with meat, you don't have that
anti inflammatory response either. I can't about the study, but
I did read that and I thought that was really interesting.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
That is interesting. So when I'm eating my cheeseburger, it's
important that I include lettuce and tomatoes, onions and pickles,
which will reduce the anti inflammatory.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
I mean, I guess you could think of it that way.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
There's also other things to take into account, such as
the sourcing of your meat. You know, like if you
eat grass fed meat, it's known to be a little
higher in omega threes than your typical conventionally raised meat,
so it'll be a little less inflammatory. Organic tends to
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organic meats tend to be better meats that don't have,
you know, a lot of antibiotics and things like that
given to the animal, with less inflammatory as well. And
then there's all about not just diet, but anti inflammatory
lifestyle is really important.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
As well, such as you know, reducing stress and.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Having good connection with people in less trouble in relationships,
things like that that really helps a lot to keep
information down.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Stress is an inflammatory thing.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Reducing stress, Oh my gosh, I won't be able to work.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, you know. And a lot of people think, oh,
how do you really reduce stress?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
And I would say that you don't have to take
out everything that might cause stress.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
But I help my clients become more aware of how
stress is responding in their body, yeah, and find stress
modulating behavior that they can do to bring that stress
level down in their body.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
You know.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
One of the things I do to reduce stress, and
you use the word modulate, which kind of goes along
with what I do, and that is a I play music,
which at the proper frequency helps to modulate or volume.
I find that the music helps to reduce my stress
because I have kind of a high stress job sometimes,
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you know, as we all do. And I find that
a lot of people that engage in like the creative arts.
It could be maybe they play music, or they write poetry,
or they perform or dance or anything that seems to
have a good way to reduce their stress level after
hard days work at the office, and even if they
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are not creative, they just come home and listen to
something soothing as opposed to some yakety yack stuff on
the TV, which makes things kind of worse. It's not.
Oh my gosh, you know, So I don't know, that's
what I do. I don't I'm sure I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Well, I promote anything that people enjoy because that just
tends to relax you when you enjoy it. And another
good one is to get out in nature. Oh yes,
you know, be outside a little bit. That's kind of
a known studied thing that you can really reduce stress
by being in nature.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah, go sit by a stream and soak up some
negative ions and feel much better, much better, much better.
So what type of clientele do you work with, What
kind of people do you work with, and what solutions
do you provide them in their life?
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Well, I have worked with primarily women over fifty. Lately,
my clientele has got a little bit younger. We've had
a lot more autoimmune diseases at younger ages, so a
lot of times they're a little younger than that. But
my primary clientele has been over fifty women.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
And I really enjoy just offering hope to them.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
They you know, sometimes they've been arounds to their medical
doctor and they've not.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Been able to figure out what's actually wrong.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
They suspect an autoimmune disease or they've been diagnosed with
one recently, and so the whole is that there are
things that you can do to actually promote wellness. I
was told by my doctor, Hey, there's something you can do,
just go home and take your medicine. And so I
was happy to find out why it wasn't true.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Wow, So wait a minute, waite. So the doctor, the
medical doctor, he went to you said, hey, Michelle, sorry
that you've got loupis, but there's nothing we can do.
You're just gonna live with this and take your medicine
and don't bug me that what's kind of about it?
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
And I have an aunt who had been diagnosed about
three years before me with the same autoimmune disease, and
she's been taking the medical route, lots of medicines, you know, steroids.
And I'm not saying, by the way that medicines aren't
sometimes necessary or that done wrong to do, but I
can see in her life that she wasn't getting well
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from it.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
She wasn't getting better.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yeah, and as soon as I started taking medication, I
wasn't feeling very well well or getting a better quality
of life either, And so it was important to me
to find another way and have the hope that there
was something I could do. And then I learned that
by modulating stress, getting enough sleep, doing some of these
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natural things, eating better, that my symptoms did disappear and
I was able to get off my medications. And I've
had flare ups here and there, but I know what
to do when I'm in a flare up.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Yeah, no, I think that's good. I was raised in
a household where my parents were big juice fanatics, so
every day I had my glass of Carriage juice or
cell Rey juice. I could not get down to beat juice,
but basically we were big juice fanatics. And I would
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wake up in the morning there'd be my dad in
the kitchen with the juice are making something that was
like this is what guys are having for breakfast today,
And of course I complained, But that's okay because I
think it really really worked. I know it sounds crazy,
but I wear glasses now. But when I was younger,
I started having eye problems and my dad just started
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making a preponderance of courage juice filled with the vitamin
A and I didn't wear glasses for a long time.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Wow, this stuff works great. So I think, well, you know.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
They know for sure that animals need a certain amount
of nutrition in order to thrive. Yeah, and people do too,
But sometimes in our modern world we sort of forget
that and we are stuffed full of processed foods and
things that aren't very good for us, that are really
causing us to be very malnourished and overfed. So but
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we need the right a kind of nutrition in order
to have the correct functioning of our body at the
cellular level.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
And that's and that's what you do in your practice.
You make sure that people are getting the proper nutrition
to make sure their body is functioning. That's optimum potential.
And a couple of questions here. So, as we've talked previously,
I know one of the things you pointed out is
that everybody, everybody's body is different and we all require
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different things. So what may work for one person may
not work for somebody else. So there's no one hard
and fast rule it depends upon your individual needs, your body,
you're metabolism and things like is that true and correct?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yeah, that is true.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
And the problem that we have out there is you
can go and find all kinds of different diets on
the internet, right, You can find so many different things
you can incorporate into your life, and a lot of
people do really well with that, but there comes a
point where they don't know what's working and why, and
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when it stops working, they don't know why. So it's
really nice to have a guide, somebody who's very aware
of all the different nuances that come with how to
fuel your body, and someone who can point you in
the right direction. And even when you go on AIP
protocol per se where I'm helping you with an elimination
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diet and reintroduction of foods, everybody even with the same illness,
like someone I have hashimotos, and they don't respond the
same to the same foods. So you really have to
personalize what to do with people, and it takes a
little bit of knowledge of how to do that in
order to do it correctly.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
I didn't have that help at first. I actually went.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
For quite a few years just not really knowing what
to do, not really knowing what going on. And I'm
a very big proponent of someone guiding another person through it.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
They can see things that you may not be aware of.
I know about the nuances.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
I think that's an important principle that really can apply
to own any business, and that is make sure the
product or service that you're providing to your customer is
not necessarily a one size fits all solution, that it's
personalized to your customer, personalized to your client. One of
the ways that I know you do that is that
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you actually talk to your clients and get to know them,
get to know their needs and the and their goals
and what they're trying to do. So those of you
folks who are listening and maybe you're just starting a business,
or maybe you've been in business for a while, I'm
wondering what you can do to grow your business. I
think one of the things you need to look at
is the principle that Michelle incorporates in her business, and
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that is to look at each individual person and what
fits their needs as opposed to just a one size
fits all Like here's a shirt, you know, well, I'm
allergic to that material, you know, so make sure that
when you're talking to prospective customers that you try to
personalize whatever it is your product or service to your
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customer that will actually help make it easier for them
to give you money and grow your business and increase sales.
So I think that you exemplify that principle by making
sure that all of your services are tailor made for
each specific person and not just you know, eat a banana.
Well I'm largent to you know.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Yeah, yeah, well, and I will say, just in thinking
about other businesses besides the one that I do, I
think this is an important piece for most people is
to make sure they know the client they're trying to reach, like,
know what their problems are, know what they commonly deal with.
And so I'm just putting this out here because that's
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the amount of time I've been in business. I've been
really coaching hundreds of people, and I'm very aware of
who I'm who I'm talking to, and what their common
problems are and what they need. And even though I
personalize it, there are also some very generalized pieces that
I can educate people with as well.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah, well that's that's a good point. What I know,
one of the things that you're doing to help grow
your business? Is that you and doctor Lane just launched
a brand new podcast called The Willness Warriors. Tell us
a little about that.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Yeah, we're just we just decided we wanted to start
talking about some of the mains conceptions out there for
people when it comes to chronic illness, specifically autoimmune disease.
We also wanted to address things that we find to
be really common, like mindset issues, different things that people
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run into or barriers that they have to help, and
so we just we just want to talk about that
and just educate our clientele a little bit before they
start working with us.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Let let them know who we are a little bit
and what we can do.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Yeah. I really like the fact that you guys are
doing that. That's what I call You've created a power
partner relationship, and that is you've kind of excused the
wrestling term, but you've tag teamed with a medical professor,
a professional who has similar interest and services as yours,
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but non competitive. So the two of you together are
stronger than just each of you as an individual going
your separate way.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Absolutely, absolutely, and we reach people in a more thorough
fashion by doing that.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Yeah, I think that's a concept that most people can
should really get behind. So once again, you guys, if
you're starting out of business, or you've got a current
business you're looking to grow to the next level, look
around and see who you know that or maybe you
already have a relationship relationship with that would be a
good power partner, someone in the same space, but non competitive,
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you know. So if you're a CPA, you don't want
to get a bookkeeper as a partner, but you know,
find somebody that would be a good power partner. So
together you compliment each other and you never know, like
Michelle knows some people that maybe doctor Lane doesn't know,
and vice versa. Now now you become not only power partners,
(23:30):
but now you're referral partners. So I'm sure somebody might
come to you, Michelle and say, oh, I'm looking for
a doctor who can do such and such, and you go, oh, well,
I work with doctor Lane, and doctor Lane can do
these things. So it's a great way to increase potential
referrals and things like that, wouldn't you agree.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Absolutely absolutely a way to serve our clients better as well.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yeah, tell us a little bit about doctor Lane. I
know he is not here to a little bit more
about what he does and how it kind of goes
along with what you do.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
He does alternative medicine. He practices functional medicine, basically testing,
not guests, not guessing. He also is an acupuncturist, and
he also does some regenerative medicine for.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Pain relief and things like that.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
The main practice that we team up on is the
functional medicine and acupuncture. He serves people with acupuncture and
that helps your immune system as well. So all the
things he does are very serving for autoimmune folks.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
And he is a licensed MD too, isn't he.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
He is not. He's a doctor of Chinese medicine.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Oh okay, that's where it is, sure. I know in
our lot one of our conversations we talked about when
we were talking about food is medicine were I was
wondering why it is that a lot of doctors don't
prescribe food is medicine. They're always looking to prescribe some
prescription thing. Is it Is it a money deal or
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why not?
Speaker 3 (25:10):
It's a lack of a lack of education in that area.
So it's really I do not like to cut down
Western medicine but it's a different practice than functional medicine.
So functional medicine is intent on improving the processes in
the body, making them better, getting to the root cause.
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Western medicine is diagnostic. They're really really good at helping
with acute illness. They can put you back together if
you have an accident. They can tame down problems in
the short run to help with medication and things like that.
But they're more focused on managing symptoms, whereas functional medicine
(25:55):
is more focused on improving processes in the body and
getting to the root cause. We look at things from
an overall perspective, a holistic perspective. Everything affects everything. We
don't just look at like, oh, you have a sore arm,
put a cast on that, Well, how is that infecting
the rest of your body? Is more how seeing it.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
It seems to me that a combination of using both
has their benefits. It's not just the choice of one
or the other. It's as long as their solutions and
answers out there, Let's use all of them. Let's use
everything that we have.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Yeah, And one of the things I can do with
my clients is just like encourage them to put together
a team of specialists that can help them. Not everybody
responds exactly the same to everything, so they need to
know what their options are. They need to know what specialists,
whether that's alternative or natural or Western medicine, can be
(26:55):
of the most use to them in helping their overall
picture of wellness. I try to help promote that with
my clients as well.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
I think that's a really important thing to do. I
know that you and doctor Lane doing an excellent job
on that. Once again, I do want to want to
give you and doctor Lena shout out on your Wellness
Warriors podcast. I want to remind everybody to please be
sure and take some time to go out there and
check that out. It's available on YouTube and the most
(27:26):
of the major podcast channels. So when you're looking for
some solutions in terms of health and wellness, be sure
and check out the Wellness Warriors podcast. I think you'll
find it really really informative, informative and beneficial in your life.
And we've got new ones coming out here in the
next couple of weeks. I'm excited to see what you
(27:47):
guys have going. I want to recamp a couple of things,
especially appertains to the business thing. The two things that
I took away from our conversation today with number one,
for anyone looking to grow your business, it's important to
have some type of personal interest in your customers and
in your clientele. So take a personal interest. Don't just
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do a one size fits all type of thing. Get
to go, get to know your customers and what they
need so you can provide solutions for them. Otherwise you're
just selling them stuff, which is not that big of
a deal. Wouldn't you agree with that?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah? Absolutely, solution to problems.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
That's it you want. And the other thing is it's
helpful to look for a power partner, someone who's a
non competitive collaborator that you can work with. You can
both each promote your business together. It helps to save time,
it saves money, and it expands the reach into the
marketplace to find new clients and new customers. And I
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think that's what you guys have done exactly with your podcasts,
with your Wellness Warriors podcast. And I applied you for that.
That was me. Actually, thank you, Michael, You're welcome. I
tell tell doctor Lane I gave him a standing ovation.
So before we go, how can people get a hold
of you if they have questions and would like to
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know more.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Yeah, you can go to my website Kamischelle Schroer dot
com and you can actually schedule uh discovery Discover your
trigger session is what it's called. Oh and basically I
can kind of help you find out what's triggering your
autoimmune flare ups or your autoimmune disease and define a.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Path forward for how to address it.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Excellent. Yeah, so it's K Michelle with one L and
one e K Michelle shud Er spelled s E h
R O E d e R dot com. Michelle. Thanks,
I will see you guys again next time with another
exciting adventure and make it easy for people to give
you money.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Oh, thank you
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