033 - Maker Meet-ups

Derek "RPF" Young and Darren "DroidUp" Moser talk maker meet-ups they've been too. Both online and in person.

Episode Transcript

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Welcome to the nerd Polite. Welcometo the Maker's Method podcast here on the

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nerd Party Network. I'm your host, Darren Moser aka Doctor sci Fi,
and I'm joined as always by DerekYoung of Van Oaks Props. Derek,
we're gonna be talking about a littlebit about maker community maker meetups. I
mean, I gotta say maker meetups. It's alliteration, you know, I
love a good love like Maker's Method. I mean, it had to be

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our title of our show because literationthere. But yeah, as uh,
you know, covid is slowly shiftingas well as virtually you know, there
are a lot of ways to meetwith other makers, and sometimes you can
actually get us to work on somethingtogether, and sometimes it's just social and
that's okay. But I was kindof thinking about the last in person meetup

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I had was a couple weeks back, and we had a bunch of droid
builders get together here in southern Californiaand we actually got stuff done, which
is weird because you got to bringa lot of stuff when you're building a
droid's I would imagine. So it'sit's quite a bit, but it's fun
because i've seen some of these makersworking on there, like there are two

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and I remember when it was aframe, like a wood frame of nothing,
and they're just getting the pieces gluedtogether. And now it's a full
are two droid with special effects andan RC controller and all of that.
And probably in about two years thatthat whole thing came together. So not
only seeing that, but yeah,just you know, it's a little bit

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of show and tell, you know, a little bit of like, oh
look what I'm working on it,Oh what are you working on? But
yeah, there's something really fun aboutjust meeting with makers. I'm assuming also
in some of your circles as well, for sure. You know, before
I really got into hanging out withpeople like you and meeting other makers who

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like craft, sci fi and dropsand things of that nature. Like my
community was all Halloween based, anda friend of mine and I decided that
we would start our own sort ofHalloween social club where we can exchange ideas
and people would teach things and whatnot. And so we did like a monthly

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meetup and that just be at someone'shouse or would you gather in a like
a park or something. It woulddepend. You know, it's one of
those things it's always difficult to findsomeone that has the space, especially once
we kind of reach critical mass,and would they be able to accommodate,

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like running a bunch of power toolsif we happen to a make and take
kind of a thing where I mightneed a table saw or we might need,
you know, something that required powerWhatnotum. So, sometimes we would
have people that would apps to us. And sometimes, as a matter of

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fact, one of the times wewent to closed Volcademy maker space out by
you as one of our like rI p V Academy on Too Soon get
togethers, and so it kind ofit depended just based on sort of who
was willing to open up their spaceto us, and I would say,

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who is crazy enough? But youknow, sort of a lot of the
time it was me, um,which you know, I like my people.
Why people can be messy? Ijust say, I've been to your
house. A massive workspace is notthe first thing that comes to mind,

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more like single person elegant shop.Thank you for saying that, completely unwarranted.
It is a single person shop.It is not elegant. Yeah,
you know, like anything, whetheryou're throwing a party or having family over

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for the holidays or whatever you movethings around to accommodate for for people.
But yeah, so you know,that was sort of my kind of introduction
to maker get togethers and what.Actually, you and I met at one

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of my first specifically prop maker makermeetups. Maker meetups um that the RPF
was doing any moons ago, althoughadmittedly you don't remember meeting me particularly,
although I was true, I wasas a little busy. This was the

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infamous tested interview which put my Ktwo on a lot of radars, and
I was just struggling to get himdone. I literally put together a shell
of a torso to have something inthe middle of his body like the night
before as I'm like, okay,no, he's not done, but he's
got he's got to be somewhere.And I was just blown away by all

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the talent there to that day.There were some models and prop work that
were just amazing. You are notwrong. There was some stuff there.
Honestly, ninety eight percent of itgood enough to be on walked off the
set exactly, like so ridiculously talented. The prop maker community is southern California,

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and these are like not industry peoplenecessarily necessary of the people there that
I spoke to who had really amazingpieces with them. I think any of
them said, oh, this iswhat I do for a living, because
we're just people like me who aspiredto maybe one day do that kind of

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work. But for the time beingwas just they were collectors, they were
fans. Yeah, But I thinkthe thing that really stood out to me
was like how open. I guessit shouldn't shouldn't have come as that much
of a surprise. It's the RPF. It's where people share ideas like which
for those who don't know, RPFis the Replica Prop Forum, which is

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a large, multi thousand person onlineforum where people share making props, sometimes
selling, sometimes buying, often making. But everybody there that I spoke to
was like happy to tell me howthey achieved, you know, whatever it
was that happened to catch my eye, And I think that much like my

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experience with my Halloween get togethers,there was that like level of camaraderie that
was very similar in that the wholepoint of being in a shared space was
to learn from one another, haveto collaborate or just share, yeah,

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like you know, just to likeput especially with the RPF, to put
a face to a name, whichI use your name tis very funny exactly
because nobody's got their real names there. And and to see their work up
close and personal that you know,not just a photograph or a video,
but then to just you know,have the opportunity to have those conversations with

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people, say, you know,look, I'm working on this other thing.
Maybe it'd be great for you tocome come buying and you know,
take a look at it and anopinion or whatnot. Yeah. I think
that my two favorite pieces I sawat that event were one which won the

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what was it. It was like, I don't know when some sort of
award someone cobbled together, but itwas the vacuum cleaner jet pack from Tomorrowland,
the not so successful Diste film.But it looked amazing and it was
just this mesh of like two youknow, old style vacuum cleaners merged together

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with funnels for nozzles and all ofthat, and it just looked it looked
gorgeous like, and it was ona stand and you got major like rocketeer
vibes from it. There was thatone, and then there was a little
model that someone had just made ofthunder Road, which was the spaceship that
the boys build in Explorers, whichis one of my favorite films growing up,

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and that just hit I got hitby the nostalgia hammer hard seeing that,
and it just was so so funand right then it's like, you
know, you found your people,that people who love this stuff totally.
I specifically remember from that gathering havinga chance to talk with Evil Ted.

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Oh yeah, Like I had seenhis videos and was like really pleased to
see his work in person and tosee that it looked as good in person
as it did in photos and video, but also that Ted was like a
really nice guy to speak. Yeah. Yeah, sometimes he just people being
a moniker, not not the He'snot a Gordon Ramsey of prop building.

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He's the what do they call him, the Bob ross of of prop making
or something like that. Yeah,I don't know, but I just remember
having a very pleasant conversation with him, And yeah, I think that was
the other thing that was so niceabout it. For me. It was
like all of the people there werevery pleasant to speak too, because I

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think we were all kind of inthe same boat. We were a little
like, I don't know what peopleare going to bring and whatever. You're
kind of sizing each other up alittle bit. But it's also you know,
we just all go crazy about thesame stuff and that takes the that
takes the focus, which is whereit should be. Yeah, it makes

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me. Oh. It was alsomy first time seeing someone using zebrush with
an oculus had said oh wow,And I remember thinking this is going to
change some stuff. Yeah, whenthey turn on like the mirror mode and
they're doing like one side of theface or the head and it and it

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duplicates and you're just like, man, this is this is crazy. Yeah.
Well, so you have meetups.It makes me think of one that
I went to early on when Iwas in the five first. Well I'm
still in the Pipers, but whenwhen I was newly in the five first

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and we had a build. Weoften have build days where we gather people
and say, hey, come workon your stormtrooper or let's work on soft
goods today, like we're going tocrank out ten an armor party. An
armor party. Yes, yes that'strue. That was another amazing podcast or
promotion you can listen to. Yes, you can listen to all amazing things

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that go into this topic. Waymore than we are, but no,
but we had a day. Sothis was right after a Novos got the
license to produce a lot of Stormtrooperand it was like the first batch had
come in and so all of asudden, a ton of new people had
an untrimmed box of Stormtrooper armor.And so we coordinated it. I say
we, but not I, butyou know, the group coordinated with a

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local school and so one summer afternoonwe all went and in their courtyard that
was a nice covered courtyard area withlike fifty picnic tables there. You know,
we had power and we had like, you know, five belt sanders
and you know, a bunch ofall this stuff, and we basically were
like, let's go, and severalpeople like trimmed their entire kit that afternoon.

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We just cranked through it as muchas possible. And it's not quite
possible to make an entire Stormtrooper inone day, but they definitely got well
on their road and through those firstyou know, tenuous cuts when you're you're
cutting into plastic and you're like,okay, how much did I spend on
this? Like I really don't wantto mess it up? But it was
great because you really felt welcome.It was very welcoming and just encouraging,

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and a lot of people just gota lot done on their armor and it
was a great, great day.I really enjoyed that memory. You know,
people have little mouse droids they're zippingaround and chatting and and it was
just like you said, that partof community where you know, we're helping
each other out and it's not aboutwho can make it best or who can

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be most accurate, but just becausewe all start somewhere. You know,
the people in the Legion who havethirty costumes, they all had a first
costume, and if they had beenshut down in that process, then they
never would have reached those heights.And so you never know where the next
great armor party is going to happen. I feel like we need a soundboard

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to play a chime or something everytime we mentioned armor party. Yeah,
that is the one thing about anysort of like sci fire, particularly Star
Wars gathering, even if it hasa specific intention, you're always going to
find somebody that's like brought some otherlittle project that they're working on or whatever,

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like, hey, we're going tobe trimming armor today, but oh,
also I've got R two in theback. Yeah, I just happened
to break along my astromac. Youknow, yeah, I thought you guys
might like, no big deal.Have you done many like virtual meetups besides
you know, gathering in person,Especially in these last two years, I've

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done a few, and it's Ifind it to be a little challenging because
the one on one interaction isn't there, and it's group size really matters,
I think in a virtual for sure. And I think the other thing too

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is like, you know, acouple of years ago, there were very
few people who good or at leastexperienced to one degree or another with virtual
meetings. That's true, and sokind of say, well, hey,
we're gonna have this meeting at twoo'clock, and everybody shows up at two

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o'clock or maybe fourhand and you know, nobody's muted. You don't know,
people don't have webcams or microphones,all the technical issues that go into and
you know, we still see thosethings today. I joined actual meeting this
afternoon with you and Bob Claggett andthe rest of the patrons over on or

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I like to make stuff, Andeven I was a little like off put
because it was a different platform thanI'm used to, right, I think
it's the go to meeting platform.Yeah, yeah, And so you know,
I got there and I had allmy settings were wrong and whatnot.
But this is was pretty typical ofthe experiences I had with virtual meetings at

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the beginning of the pandemic, andit I just find them to be a
little bit challenging because it's it's agame of chess or I guess it's a
little bit more like a chicken.You know. It's everybody's driving head on
towards one another. Who's going tobail first, And because of flag and

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internet speeds and stuff like that,it's sometimes the conversations don't flow quite as
well as the person. But again, you know, we're all kind of
yelling into the same box, right, So get a certain number of people
and it's like you instantly just starttalking over each other, kind of have

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it just happens, you can't helpit. Yeah, And then that makes
it somewhat difficult to hear what everybody'ssaying to you know, like in person,
it's five people standing in a circle, everybody's pretty much getting relatively equal
volume. You get the visual cuesthat the pacing a bit where you know,

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not to just keep rambling or letsomeone else speak. But then when
you have people on virtual meetings,sometimes it's like, oh, well,
this person's using the microphone that's ontheir laptop, but they're also typing at
the same time. This person's gota headset with a microphone, so they're
very prominent in the mix. Andthis person's you know, sitting aways away

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from their computers, so they're notquite as loud as everybody else. You
know, It's it has its challenges, but I will say this, it's
given me an opportunity to like stillenjoy some level some semblance of those in
person meetings that we're happening monthly.It's a different flavor, for sure,

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but if it's still the same,it scratches the same inch. Yeah,
you know, because it's like,look, a lot of it is because
you want to learn something or youwant to see familiar faces and catch up.
It's like the idea of a socialgathering with like minded people. I
mean, be any one of thoseor all three. And I think for

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me it was always kind of justwanted to sit in a corner I can
ask a question like I wanted tobe the result, you're just standing there.
People might come up, they mightnot, they might just walk by.
You never know. Yeah, um, mainly because I don't know.

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I've never been particularly good at startingconversations, so if someone comes to me
with a leading question and I'm offand running. But you know, so
the virtual meetings make that a littlebit more challenging. But all in all,

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I think anytime that you can gettogether with like minded people and share
ideas, it's it's a good thingin my book. Oh yeah, I
mean, my big experience for virtualmeetups would definitely be with a lot of

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the droid builders and about you know, two years ago when the pandemic started
at the time of this recording,the people in Michael Badley's group of three
d printed droids. He started doingthese every other Saturday drinks and droids and
it was kind of a social time, you know, a chill time.

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Sometimes it'd be like a hoot gamesor someone to give a prison on something,
but it was just a fun thingto do, and after a couple
of times he just made it aregular thing and so like clockwork, every
other Saturday you would have upwards offifty sixty people gathering together and it also

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worked well because he would do itwith breakout rooms, so we'd kind of
all be together, and then he'dpars us, either by choice or by
lottery or whatever, into groups oflike seven and that which is way easier
to have a more meaningful conversation than, like you said, the big shouting
room. But it was great,and I think two big things that I

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took away from that were one,I've always enjoyed meetups and build parties,
but unfortunately that's really hard to dowith droids because you need a lot of
equipment and specialized tools, and they'rebig, and you know you're going to
get most of your work done whenyou're in your shop, not when you're
on someone's five way. But withdrinks and droids, we are all in

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our shops, so we can seethrough the webcams everybody's workspace and they've got
their workbench in the back and theyhave an R two dome on it,
and so that was really cool,kind of seeing through the window of the
internet into other people's you know,work area, and that was really cool
because usually you don't get to seethat. And then the other thing was

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just having and developing these friendships withthese other builders, and a lot of
them I won't see in person untila Star Wars celebration, But now I
know I have a huge baked infriend base that I didn't have two years
ago. All these people that I'mgoing to get to see and know and

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know me versus. I still wouldhave hung out with the droid builders without
this event, or without drinks anddroids happening, but I wouldn't have known
anybody, you know, it wouldhave been, like you said, user
names and profile pictures that I'm tryingto connect with. So I'm really grateful
for that. I think it's beena great experience, and again, just

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a nice dose of social every oncein a while is nice. And you
know, I haven't made every singletime, but Michael's also leveraged it for
or training and we've had I thinkthis last time, we went through all
the different droid control systems and somebodyeach person kind of talked about a different
one, and for new beginners whoare droid building, that's really valuable knowledge

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that otherwise you have to kind ofparse from all corners of the Internet,
and they're not all that structured informal, but sometimes that's kind of like a
classroom setting, and that can bebeneficial too. Yeah, for sure.
I think anytime, especially if you'rebuilding something like that, to have some

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kind of funnel, right, soyou don't invent the wheel again every time
because others have done it before you. Yeah, although there is something to
be said about doing a bit ofproblem solving without being sort of stuck doing

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what everybody else has done. Iknow with Michael's files, it's pretty specific
and unless you wanted to like getin there like you did and sort of
rework things right, like with BTone. Yeah, but it's just thinking
about that always just reminds me ofwhen Missus Van Oaks and I made the

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the big monument at you in ourHalloween display, and how when I first
had the conversation with her about howyou would do something like that, she
was like, don't worry about it. I got it, Like, well,
you know, this is like thisis historically how people have made this
thing cool. I understand I haveideas, allow me to proceed, you

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know. And it was a goodreminder for me that like, just because
that's how it's been done doesn't meanit's the only way it can be done.
Yeah, which now is why wheneverI have project, I'm always like,
Okay, I need to pick yourbrain for a minute, because I'm
sure there's something that I'm just completelyignoring and out fail. She's got like

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such a great eye for finding thesethings out. But she also thinks very
like architecturally, so you know,a pleasant reminder of like, there's more
than one way to skin a cat. Also, please don't skin cat.
No, you're absolutely right, andthat's I think, like we were saying

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in the very beginning about the RPFmeetup, where everyone was encouraging and sharing
on how they were doing things,and what you get out of that kind
of a community is things get pushedforward and you get new developments. And
I'm thinking of I mean, justrecently, Matt Hobbs and a few other
builders developed a whole new UR twocontrol system called the Kaiber system, and

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it's from the from scratch of completelynew way of operating. And you wouldn't
get that if people weren't iterating andbuilding and trying new things. And you
know, not that the other systemsdon't work, but they have their limitations,
and they're built off of a coupleof generations of technology. So to

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kind of look at it from scratch. You know, that can be a
very beneficial lens for sure. Iknow, I see a lot of stuff
on Instagram when I started working onmy Boba fat helmet where and we just

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stop and talk about how terrible thatloop is. They literally use the same
audio clip of Haunts although saying BobaFett twice. It's so so bad,
you know, it's I mean obviouslyADRD because it's you know, they're out
in the middle of the deserts.They don't have a mic near him.
But yeah, but at any rate, you look on one thing and then

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all of a sudden, everybody knowsthat's what you want to see. Yeah,
And I was really blown away byall of the like really small screens
and things that people were like puttingin their gauntlets and putting in their scopes
and whatnot. And it's like,ten years ago, there's no way that
you would have been able to stuff. The technology was too big. And

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now like all these little controllers justkeep getting smaller and smaller, and the
technology just keeps pushing forward further andfurther, and people are figuring out how
to get the things that they wantedten years ago. Or whatever the time
frame, but like they're they're figuringout how to harness these bits and pieces

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of technology and then figuring out howto use them together. That's it's really
an exciting time for makers, especiallygoing for something that's like really eye catching.
Us. Just so many options rightnow. Oh yeah, And I
think there's something about the accessibility ofthe technology and the community. I mean,

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I can't I think of an exampleof the fact that you could watch
something happen in an episode of TheMandalorian and you could pretty much figure out,
Okay, they physically did this,so I can do it too.
I just have to figure out howor how I would do it. And
I think of people I've seen whodo the whistling birds, which is an

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attack weapon on the Mandalorian's Gauntlet,And it looks like a bunch of like
little kind of LEDs that come outof a cone, but they're very small,
and in the show they like articulateout kind of in a stair step.
It's really intecriate, but it looksgreat. And I've seo I've seen
people now replicate that with a coupleof servos and other things inside a gauntlet

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and actually and it's just like that'scrazy, and it's just because it's like
you see it and you kind ofrealize, Okay, this is possible,
you know. I mean, obviouslythere are some things where it's a special
effect or it's you know, itnot as easy to do practically, but
i mean, look at the BBAbuilders. I mean, BBA is a
very complex drive system in a balland I'm just a and people made versions

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really fast. It's kind of like, what is it? Like not Murphy's
law, but just it's it's likeexponential, Like we've kind of reached this
phase of making where fat it's likeevery year something new comes out and we're
able to replicate it and enhance onit in half the time we did previously,

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Like it goes. Does it feellike that totally? I'm constantly blown
away how quickly people are taking somethingfrom screen to real life, from trailer
from teaser and like stuff that's clearlyCG that they're making practical. Who would

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ever make a CG thing practical?Derek, that doesn't make any sense.
Why would you? Why would youdo that? He says, with the
k Toso standing behind him. Butno, Yeah, it's it's crazy just
how fast all of this stuff happensnow. But again, this is like,
it's the maker community. I've hivemind. It is. Yeah,

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and we've talked about before, youknow, the maker community, the makeup
community. These communities or these industriesreally that were born out of film and
television. For the longest time,they were very secretive and very like because
and they kind of had to bebecause that was their livelihood. And it
was like, if you had atechnique on making the Wolfman, you didn't

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tell anybody how to do it,because if they wanted a Wolfman, they
had to hire you, and that'swhat you had to leverage. And that
totally makes sense. But now,I mean, I personally love living in
the era of the community where it'slike because I think the tradeoff is you
get the iteration, you get theOkay, I'm not going to do it

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the exact same way you did,but I'm going to use that as a
springboard into something else, and thenyou in turn can use what I did
and springboard into that. And it'syou know, it's a different way to
market. But it's so much morefun, you know, sharing than competing
every bit. And I'm saying thatnot living in the industry, and that

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is not my you know, primaryjob, So I take that with a
grain of salt. But as acasual maker and enjoying that as a hobby,
you know, meeting up with othermakers and just talking shop is so
fun. Yeah yeah, I mean, look, that's that is the sole
reason why this podcast exists. AsI say that is this podcast and the

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literation that helped out with it aswell comes back to that. But yeah,
but I'm looking forward to you know, so future future meetups. Uh,
you never know when they're going tohappen. Definitely a lot of people
will be going to celebration or justcons in general. Cons are also a
meetup in a way. The wholecosplay community are all makers, the whole

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you know, contest and people whojust maybe they don't even have an online
presence. They just make something becausethey love it, and they're debuting and
showing it at wonder Con or comicon and everyone just has this wow moment
of oh my gosh, how didyou do that? Yeah. Honestly,

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any convention is an opportunity. It'sa showcase. Yeah, well, you
know, like when people put thatmuch time and effort into anything. They
absolutely want to tell you how theyhow they did it. You know,
there might not get into the nittygritty on things, but generally speaking,

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people will love to nerd out withother people, show genuine interests. That
is the type of exchange that Ithink it should be celebrated. Well,
it makes me think of I haven'tbeen in many costume contests, but at

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the high level, because there's onlyso much you can kind of see in
the five minute, ten minute thejudge has with you. Often again,
at like the master level, youput together what is called like a bible
about your costume, and it islike a binder, like a presentation project
that is showing the detail shot ofthe weave of the fabric that you stitched,

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or the mechanical mechanisms that are hiddenunderneath your you know, armor,
And it's literally a book that theycan reference and look at to get that
really quick data dump of information aboutwhat they're seeing in front of them,
because there's no other way to communicatethat much information in five minutes. Yeah,

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So not that you have to alwaysgo that deep, but it's a
thing. Well, thankfully, ifyou're like out walking a convention, have
the time for the most part.For the most part, yeah, unless
you My favorite is the walk backto the changing room when you're done.
Io always say you just never stop. People can take pictures, but I

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Am not stopping, and you alwaystake another step because otherwise you will never
make it back and you will falloff your feet. Oh yeah, for
you to know next time you're fullyencased in foam armor. At the next
convention, I know, book,they announced that they are going to be
opening up tickets for celebration. That'sright, I'm going to attempt to purchase

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tickets. This is Van Oaks andI and there's already going to try to
get a discussion about costuming. Oohokay, Well you could listen to like
all the episodes of the Armor Partyand get some good ideas on some great,
great methods. Oh best believe Ido. Okay, Just curious,

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are you going to try to getlike one day on the weekend or are
you going to try to get thefour day pass. It'll likely just be
a one day Well, hopefully you'reable to make it. It will definitely
be a fun time. It's beenmany years in the waiting for it to
come back here to California. Andwe promise it won't be the topic of

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every episode of Maker's Method, butI'm sure it'll work its way in there
until the end of May. Yeah, it's about to say, just between
now and May. Just between nowand May. All right? Well,
Derek, if someone wanted to findwhat you were making, including your plans
for your new costume, where wouldthey go? You can follow me over

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on Instagram YouTube the name Van OaksProps. Aaron, let me see if
I can get this one for you. See what Darren is working on Karen's
work bench at doctor sci Fi dotcom. That's Drscifi dot com. Did
I do it? Yea, Idid it? Yes, you did it?

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And on Instagram at the same andoccasionally TikTok sometimes TikTok less YouTube.
I've kind of put video production alittle more in the back burner, just
with seventy nine days at the timeof this recording until celebration, So you
know what, I just take pictures. I've always taken pictures of my projects

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as I work, and that's enoughdocumentation for most people. Can I just
tell you? I actually had someonetell me the other day that the only
way that they know how many daysbetween now and celebration is because you kept
saying, well, I've only gotX number of days to go. Well,
like we said, do you onlyhave to put up with us talking

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about celebration until the end of May. There you go until then the next
event after that? But all right, well you can follow us like we
said online as well as listened tomany other great shows here on the Nertive
Party Network. I'm gonna talk aboutan old show that Sense of Retire since
it's run its course, but TheOwl Post is an amazing show we have
here where they broke down chapter bychapter of Harry Potter. They take you

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through every chapter of every book andit's a great companion I think to reading
the books because they dive into behindthe scenes and extra things of the story.
And yeah, for someone who hasnot as versed in the Potter universe,
it's a really great show. Sohere on the nerd Priday Network.

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Well again, we hope you're ableto hopefully have your own maker meetups,
whether virtual or in person, buteither way, keep making