March 16, 2022 • 37 mins
Derek "Vacuform" Young and Darren "CNC" Moser talk about tools they purchased that they thought would change their making game, but instead are collecting dust.
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Welcome to the nerd Polite. Welcometo Maker's Method, a weekly conversation about
what it is to be a makerhere on the Nerd Party Network. I'm
your host, Derek Young of fanHooks Props, and I am joined by
a fellowmaker, Caused Player, andmy buddy Darren Moser, who some of
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you may know as doctor Sci Fi. So I'm going to jump right into
this week's topic, which came tome while I was cleaning up my shop
the other day, and that isI think we all, at some point
in our maker journey a mass somelevel of tool that you immediately think,
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oh, this is going to besuch a huge game changer in the shop.
It's going to make me faster,better, more accurate, etc.
Only to find that it does noneof those things and that it's in a
corner somewhere collecting dust. It islost money, And it kind of not
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that it matters, because you know, what could be a game changer for
you may not be a game changerfor me. But I thought it would
kind of be a funny conversation tohave to talk about things that we had
both purchased thinking at some point wouldbe a huge asset to our making,
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only to find that it fell ridiculouslyshort. Yeah, and I think my
list is going to be a littlemore just ended up not using as often.
I think the ones on my listare not necessarily failures, just or
like the things I thought I wasgoing to be making when in a different
direction. Sure, so, youknow, no fault of the tool zone,
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but still has a more dust onit than other and other projects.
Yeah. Well, you know,as someone who has both a laser and
a C and C machine, youare no stranger to dust. Yes,
yes, and you know same forme and foam. But I digress.
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So the first one that came tomind when this idea popped into my head
was some time ago I saw avideo online. It may have been a
Jimmy drest A video where he wasusing a silicone brush from Rockler Tools designed
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for spreading glue like spreading wood glue. That's right, and you could easily
peel it off and it, youknow, peel it off, you could
wash it off because nothing sticks tosilicone except for silicone for the most part.
And I thought, hey, Iuse a lot of glue, and
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we all know where this one's going. I used it a few times and
then promptly lost it. And Ithink when I found it some many months
later, it still had glue init choker. But the fact that it
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had gone like months without me ausing it, be thinking to use it,
you didn't want me to, youknow now. And it's not cheap.
So the funny thing is when Iused it, it did seem useful.
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And you know, when I douse wood, it is typically plywood
or MDF, And at the timethat I bought it, I happened to
be working on a project that wasusing a lot of plywood. And as
anyone who's worked with plywood will tellyou, it's gonna splinter when you cut
it. For the most part,there's kind of no getting around it unless
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you want to sand every cut,and I just don't. That's just not
me. I don't have time forthat. But yeah, I used it,
and then it disappeared into the abyssthat is my shop, only to
be found like six months a yearlater. Now you know this, Like
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I said, this may be atool that somebody else finds super useful if
they're doing like a ton of glueups. I haven't done any projects that
were similar to the one that Ihappened to be working on at the time
that I acquired this brush since then, but that's that's number one on my
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list of tools that I thought wouldbe super beneficial only to find that I
never never used it again. Yeah, for me, you know, most
of these tools are all woodworking toolsbecause I think I thought I was going
to be doing more woodworking than Iactually did. And they either came about
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from you know, a good agood deal on something, or just the
right time, right place. Andagain, this is nothing bad about the
tools. It's more just again thedirection my making went in the past year
or two. But I would immediatelyprobably say my M two CNC, which
I've used, I've not used sinceI cut desk star panels in January a
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year ago, and it's a Imean, it's still a R C and
C. I love the fact thatit takes up a much smaller footprint that
it. You know, I haveit up against the wall, the fourth
wall of my garage, up youknow, near the door, so I
get to use that space which normallycouldn't be used because it's a rolling door.
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But yeah, everything that is smallenough to fit on the glow forge,
I just put on the glow forgeto cut, and I may have
a project coming up. I wantto make some wood paneled doors, and
I've been thinking of gluing up severalpieces of wood into these large doors and
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then buying a v bit or therouter and doing a program to kind of
carve patterns and reliefs and other thingsonto the doors with the router, which
I think could work. You know, I think it would be. I
don't see why I wouldn't be ableto handle that, but yeah, it's
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kind of like that was the firstbig tool in the last year that I
got. But then once I gotthe glow forage and the laser that,
you know, I started designing forthat, and every project became a laser
project and it's like, well maybeI could cut this, and it's like,
well, yeah, you can dothat with the C and C.
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But it it's a lot to setup, it's a lot to get,
you know, get right or getwrong. So it definitely hasn't reached a
point like I'm on an M anM two users group on Facebook and they'll
be you know, least once amonth someone who's like, hey, I
don't use mine anymore, and boxingit up and selling it and that again,
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nothing bad about the product. Ithink it's still a great product,
but it's it's it's just interesting howif you're really not a woodworker or doing
a lot of stuff needing a Cand C. It is a big use
of space for something that you maynot touch. I mean, you you
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have a different brand C and C. But how often do you feel you
actually go to that well, youknow, especially in the age of laser
sure, I think honestly, thelaser is just it's so easy to use
and whether it's a glow Forage oryou know, any other brand laser that's
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out there, they generally are allpretty easy to like get up and running.
And it's someone who uses Adobe Illustratora lot. It felt very natural
for me to start designing for usewith the laser. And I know that
with you know, some CNC machinesthere's an extra step of having to learn
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some software and things like that,and you know, there's not that barrier
to entry with with laser cutting ingeneral. But yeah, I could definitely
see where you're coming from on thatone. Yeah, and again we're not
saying anything bad about C and C. But I wasn't expecting when I bought
it that the C and C wouldbe the tool that does a job very
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well. But it's almost like onejob, like like I said, you
know, like cutting the dust starpanels like that had to be a four
foot by a foot C and Cto really do that job. But I
just haven't had other projects that reliedon that kind of a tool than I
thought I was. You know,I thought I was going to be going
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into much more woodworking and things likethat, and instead I've been a lot
more laser and acrylic and and otheryou know, and smaller pieces of MDF,
and you start to work around thoseconstraints, you know, I design
things that'll I know, we'll fiton the laser bed because it's it's a
fairly large bed. But if itgets larger than that, now you're looking
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at other tools to make it work. Yeah. I think one of the
other things too, about C andC machines, that's always been a bit
of a concern when it comes tousing it, at least for make considering
the limited amount of space that Ihave, is any cut you make on
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a C and C is going torequire a pretty significant amount of cleanup.
Like within your shop, depending onhow you've got it set up. So
it's like, Okay, yes,I can use this tool to achieve this
result, but then once that partis done, then I also have to
a lot for time to clean upafterward. Yeah, sawdust everywhere, etc.
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I mean, even my rig isit's in a fairly good spot.
But if I needed to use ittomorrow, I would have to move some
things out of the way and pullit a little farther from the wall and
get it kind of recalibrated and allof that. I haven't used it since
I've gotten a new computer, soI'm going to need a little bit of
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brushing up and making sure it's operatingproperly to get it dialed in. But
I still have not reached that pointwhere it's like, I want the space
back and I'm going to sell it, because at the end of the day,
if you find that need for it, there's really only a C and
C that can do that. Yeah. So the second one on my list
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is not necessarily something that I thoughtwas going to be a huge improvement to
my workflow or whatnot. It wassomething given to me by a sponsor,
and while it works very well,and I have nothing bad to say about
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it. I have not used itsince I made the video. And that
is the vacuum form machine. Ohthat's right. It's a little one,
right, Like how big is thebed? Yeah, it's oddly enough,
it's about the same size as theglobe for it. Okay, so like
it's like yeah around there. AndI thought, oh, this is going
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to be great. You know,vacum form and everything. Well when you
combine three D printing and vacuu forming, like those two things work well together
assuming you have a need for it, right, But for me, I
and I you know, assumed Iwould have all these different ideas of things
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that I could make with it andthis and that, and then just found
that those things never materialized. LikeI've used it for a couple of things
since then, but I think outsideof making I think I did two videos
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using it. One was an unboxingand then the other was the droid caller
in the vintage Kenner Blister pack.And I used it to make the blister,
but outside of that, I haven'tturned it on, and that was
like two years ago. It justcollects dust, It holds my respirator and
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like a box of sand, paperon top of it, and I look
at it all the time and Ithink to myself, like, maybe I
should move it is it's sitting ontop of my spray paint cabinet, which
is a decent size cabinet top whereI could potentially put something that would be
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more useful, like a small spraybooth or something like that for you know,
doing airbrushing or whatever. But thenI'm just like, oh, if
I move it some where, where'sit going to go? And then if
I need to get it out ofthere, how big of a pain is
it going to be? Because it'snot white, right, you know,
like this it's built like a tank. But yeah, it pains me to
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see it there too, because itis cool and it does work well,
and I just for the life ofme cannot think of anything to use it
for. You know. It makesme think of like like Brian in the
smugglers room, who I know hasaccess to a vacuum former with his dad,
the Junkyard Jedi, and but alot of stuff that Brian makes is
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very random. But just you know, I feel like it's going to be
something that's going to come up moreoften and jab it's just it's like it's
almost like a tool searching for aneed, you know, versus like a
solution searching for a problem. Andand just like C and C's or other
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two touls, I think they fallinto that niche of Yeah, if if
you need a blister pack, thatthat is your tool that is going to
give you that result. And maybeif you're making some if you're an armor
smith and you made cosplay armor allthe time, you know, turning things
from a three D printed heavy fileinto a lighter you know, vacuum form
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and being able to have that weightreduction would be worth it. But that's
not your deal, that's not yourgig, right, And like I have
friends who use them all the time. But again it's like that is that's
what they do. It is oneof the things that are a couple of
the things that they sell on aregular basis. So for them makes perfect
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sense. Although they've you know,made their own much larger capability than than
the one that I have. ButI wonder if you could vacuum form mold
boxes, so like find some standardtrapezoidal kind of shapes and just so rather
than having to construct a mold boxout of whatever, just vacuuform something that's
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two inches deep and you know it'sslightly tapered. Your object is going to
be suspended in the middle of it, so it doesn't matter if it's flat
or however on the sides. Yeah, I mean it could definitely do it.
That just assumes that I would alwaysneed one particular size box. That's
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true for me. It's kind ofit changes all the time. That is
why I often will keep takeout containersbecause those tend to be about the size
of you know, the greebles andthings like that that I'll make and whatnot.
But I will say this, Ihate to keep talking about the laser.
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This is not a sponsored podcast,everybody. I apologize. Making mold
boxes with the offcuts from other thingsthat I've made on the laser is my
new go to now. Yeah,because I with the light switch covers that
I make, there's always a cutoutfor where the light sway at your outlet
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comes through, and it's just bigenough. On some of the larger ones.
If it's like a two or threetoggle, I've just got this,
you know, big rectangular piece ofmaterial that I don't really have any other
use for. So when I wasthinking of molding the shore Trooper belt buckle.
The other day, I thought,oh, well, that's this is
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a perfect use for these pieces ofMDF that I've been sort of stacking off
to the side of the laser becauseI just refuse to get rid of it,
because I've felt like at some pointI will think of something I can
use as for whether it's like mixingup bondo or epoxy or something like that,
or needing a flat surface to throwdown some carpet tape on so that
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I can stick some small objects tothen you know, spray paint them or
whatever. Like. There would alwaysbe some use for these pieces because they
weren't small enough to throw away,but they weren't big enough to use for
anything else, right, Yeah,well yeah, well, I mean,
like I said, a lot ofmine are woodworking based things, and again,
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like I don't I'm not trying toput them on a bad list.
It's just if you're not doing cabinetryand woodworking all the time, you just
don't use it as much. Imean, I spent a good chunk of
money on a Craig pocket hole jigsystem, and I went it. It's
like the Craig three or the Craigfive. It's the one where you put
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the object in and you push theclip down and it holds it in place
and then you can hit it withthe drill bit. So and the times
I used it again, it workedreally well, and I still have it
and I still would use it abunch. But again, the times that
I'm joining thick pieces of wood togetherwith screws, is I can count on,
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you know, two toes. Itdoesn't, and it doesn't happen that
often because yeah, it's just notI'm not making cabinets or larger objects,
and yeah, so I don't knowif maybe part of it is just sometimes
you gather tools for that one offneed where you need the best tool,
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or sometimes, like you said withthe vacuum former, it's just kind of
a gift and you're like, ohthanks. You know, it's like I
wouldn't have bought this for myself ifbecause I don't feel I have a need
for it, and you still don'thave a need for it. It's just
another tool in the arsenal, andit'll live until it eventually either takes up
too much space or breaks or justoutlives its usefulness. Yeah, I mean
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I would almost even say it aboutthe cricket, like which is a brand
new machine we got last December.But the cricket is also a you know,
it does things really well, butyou need a project for it,
you know, And and especially havinga laser, there's certain times where you
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know, I don't need to cutreally thin wood on the cricket, I
can do that with the laser.I can do a lot of things on
the laser that I don't need todo in other ways. So yeah,
it's yeah, sometimes it is atool searching for a need. Yeah,
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it's funny that you mentioned the Craigjig because I also have a Craig product
on my list, and again,Craig makes great products. I have the
same pocket hole jig that you're describing, and when I do need to use
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pocket holes, it works flawlessly.Yeah. That said, I got very
excited about these clamps that they hadcreated that were sort of a more robust
version of like a spring clamp,where you could just basically clamp it on
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anything and it would automatically determine thethickness of the piece that you were trying
to clamp. So I guess Ishouldn't say they're like spring clamps. They're
more like vice gripts. Okay,but you don't have to dial in how
thick the thing that you're clamping is. It automatically figures it out. And
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I thought, you know, thatis like the perfect thing for me.
I don't want to have to likemess with too many things, especially if
I'm like working on something that's alittle large and you know, like I'm
I'm working at a little bit ofa deficit whatever. So to have a
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clamp that can figure out how thickthe thing is that I'm trying to clamp
it with it, it would withit there we sounded like such a great
idea, But this is actually oneproduct that I could not get to work
as described and because of that,it just got like left on my work
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bench to sort of never be usedagain. And I have like four of
them, and for some reason,I don't know, I must be doing
something wrong. Because of their otherclamps that I own, Like they have
a great set of corner clamps.I use them all the time. They
work perfectly. It's the same kindof a system. But for some reason,
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just these standard clamps, I couldnot get them to work. And
because of that no dice, theydon't get used. Yeah, yeah,
no, And again we aren't sayingthis to be negative about any of these
pieces, but no. So itactually it started to make me think,
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is there a tool in my thatI bought that I knew I would use
but I didn't realize how much Iwould use it? And it became almost
like an everyday carry. And Imean, I haven't sitting right here in
front of me is my digital calipers? Like oh my gosh. Once I
got the laser and I knew Iwas going to start needing things to be
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exact, I picked up one ofthese from Amazon on you know, not
a top a line model, buta nice enough you know, with a
digital display, and man, Iam always using this. It's a go
I mean, if it's under sixinches, it's my go to ruler just
to to measure things. And likeI'm like, I'm lazy, I don't
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and I'm like, oh, whatis that in decimal on inches? You
know, push the button and boom, there you go. So yeah,
I think it says something by thefact that I don't keep it in its
case. I keep it like righton my desk because I'm always reaching for
it. By contrast, I donot use my Thomas or Brian inspired by
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Brian on the smugglers room. Whatis this thing? Even called it Carpenter
square, like a small one.I see him using it all the time.
I rarely use it at all tomeasure things. I just keep a
nice eighteen inch ruler nearby for forgeneral measuring. But yeah, just having
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a nice digital exact specification caliper islike if this broke, I knew,
I would go buy another one immediately. Yeah, because I would use it
that much. Yeah, you're notalone. I also have calipers on my
desk at all times, although theseare the cheap Harbor Freight ones that are
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manual. This was mine for thelongest time. It's the ninety nine Harbor
Freight Like it's plastic and the printingis rubbed off and you kind of had
to guess. I mean, itdid the job, but I was like,
yeah, no, I need toget something better than this. But
this, yeah, I would keepin my pocket or all the time,
just to when you got to getdown to the small minutia. You need
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to know what you're doing. Yeah. I found that the calibers became very
important to me. When I startedlearning fusion three sixty because I think I
roughly know how much this many millimetersis, but let me check. Oh,
that's actually not what I was thinking. And now I'm almost to a
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point where I can look at somethingand be like, oh, that's ten
millimeters, that's seventeen millimeters, likein the same way that Americans look at
things and they're like, oh,that's six inches or whatever it's. I
use it that frequently, which issomething that I never would have thought would
be that useful to me, butI fully agree super useful, especially because
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a lot of the stuff I'm doinginfusion tends to be small things. Yeah,
if I'm like recreating agreeably or somethinglike that, and it's something like
in the real world that I'm tryingto recreate digitally, to be able to
just do a one to one hasbeen extremely helpful. Oh definitely. I
mean all I've been building and thenmy rebuild of version three of K two
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s O I I'm just doing everythingin millimeters because it goes down to one
millimeter, which is a great smallunit of measure and close enough to make
everything work. So yeah, Iactually think I may go try to buy
a a metric tape measure, becauseI don't think I have any that are
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like that. I don't even knowif they sell them over here or they
do. But because I have youknow, rulers and straight edges, but
like I have a one yard rulerthat also has centimeters on one side.
But yeah, just for things thatare longer. I mean, I'm just
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going to be moving to the UKnext year, I guess, you know,
slippery slippery slope. So the lastthing I have on my list.
There were others. They're just kindof throwaways. It has nothing to do
with making in the traditional sense.It is something that I use for the
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YouTube channel, or at least Ithought I was going to use when I
purchased it. And that is agimbal, a camera gimbal. Oh yeah,
how many times do you use yourcamera gimbal? Once? And then
I realized, here's the cheat codefor today, everybody. If you want
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really smooth shots of anything, andyou have an iPhone, film it using
the slow mo option in your cameraand do it very quickly, because when
it's slowed down it looks smoother,buttery smooth. And the problem with the
gimbal, and this is why Ithink I don't use it is that it's
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finicky. You kind of have todial it in every time you use it,
Like you can get close, butthere is some finessing that has to
happen. And in the time thatit would take me to do that,
I could have just grabbed my phoneout of my pocket and done a quick
yeah SloMo shot with something and bedone with it. And you're not walking
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around places, you're not a travelblogger. You're not trying to get that
smooth shot while you're running to jumpinto the next Disneyland ride. So and
TV's changed, Like I remember,you know, I was a film student
growing up, and it was likethe tripod was law. Like you,
everything was on the tripod. Everythinghad to be smooth, and a handheld
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was very rare because that was justthe look that everybody did. And then
when phones got video and it becamewhat is the easiest way to get this?
I mean, oh my gosh.I remember the change from like what
I would consider the current editing styleof just edit out the bad parts.
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Who cares if you see the cuts, And that wasn't always the case.
It used to be if you hada cut, you would try to put
a little bit of a dissolve init, or you try to hide it
in a something else, or evenhaving like two angles, or even going
from like a wide to a narrowtake so that it broke it up a
little bit. And then again itjust became people really don't even care about
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that, Like at the end ofthe day, it's just tell the story.
And you know, now you havepeople where they're talking and you can
tell this was probably twenty takes andit's almost like a ransom video edited together
to piece them into what they're tryingto say. But you know what,
our brain puts it all together justas easily, and we kind of discovered
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that it's not the biggest deal inthe world. I mean, it can
it's a look, so you candefinitely choose to not go that direction.
But yeah, yeah, like yousaid, it's just as easy to pull
out your phone and shoot that forfive seconds, then to set up the
gimbal to have a really nice likeeverybody knows, you know, the end
shot, the beauty shot of theobject when you're done with it, like
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that's the nice smooth pan moment.Everything else during production is like just get
it in the in the camera.Yeah, although I will say I saw
today on Instagram I like to makestuff showed a little bit of behind the
scenes. It was a joke thatthey were playing on one of the guys
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on the team. They'd stuck asticker on its back. But I was
watching. I didn't care about thejoke as much as I was very interested
in the fact that they just letBob work on the project and somebody else
is responsible for filming, and theyjust sort of film a bit here and
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they shoot it wide and then theymove to the last year moved to the
right, and then reframe and thenget you know, zoom in a little
bit and then shoot that for awhile. And I just thought, oh
my god, how nice would thatbe? Yeah, yeah, I'm sure
you know that's come from many projectsand years of working together where they know
exactly what to do, and Bobknows the speed at which to work at,
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and he knows when know that he'sgoing to go do something else.
I just watched a tested video whereAdam was making the tinfoil ball where he
took a whole roll of tinfoil andcompressed it and tapped it, and that
he's like self filming he just hasa camera and he's and he's self filming
himself and it's very like, okay, you know, it's almost a live
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stream where it's like okay, justa little bit, but it's still really
well shot. I mean it looksgood, but yeah, it's it's just
interesting when you go, I mean, we obviously haven't gotten to the point
yet where we have a crew,you know, to and you think like,
yeah, oh my gosh, howmuch would that speed things up?
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Because I wouldn't have to set itup. I watched a Twitch streamer actually
last month that had cameras at leastone camera in his setup that he had
written some sort of software. Ithink that it tracked him, like it
actually tracked him around the room soas he walked from one spot to another.
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And it's like, oh, that'sthat's actually kind of nice. You
know. I don't know if Iwould use that, but yeah, it's
well and oddly, zero camera peopleto one camera people is the biggest leap
in the world, right This gimbalhas that capability. Okay, has tracking
its gimbal, and it will haveto put something on yourself that it's tracking,
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like a little general thing. Itjust looking at recognizes based on the
scene that you've set up, andum, and I've never used it.
But then again, most of theprojects that I do are shot over my
shoulder, right, so it wouldn'tget ride. It's like a tie and
lapse and you're painting and you're it'sa wide shot and like you don't need
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to track anything in that. Yeah, exactly. So that's that is something
that I bought thinking for sure wasgoing to be and lo and behold.
So if anyone's in the market fora gimbal, you just need more field
trips. Field trips with van overas you go places and take pictures of
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your food, you know, makesomething like that. Yeah you heard it
here first everybody, I'm not takinganymore and I'm going to become a food
influencer. Take it to celebration andas you walk along the corridors and shoot
all the amazing costumes and droids andthings, and then you'll probably just be
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stressing out about losing a very expensivepiece of photo equipment, you know,
the entire time totally, because I'mthat level of neurotic when it comes to
stuff like that. It's like,I don't use this, but I don't
want to lose it either, right, it's not worth nothing. But well
yeah, well, if you're listeningand you have a tool in your tool
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belts or in your shop that youthought would be the be all end all
tool but it ended up being inthe junk draw on its own. Yeah,
I just said us a message whereall all over the internet and be
interesting to see. Again. Maybeit's something that is specialized and you just
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ended up not going into that specialtyas you thought you were, But I
think it's interesting. Yeah, thoseespecially those really specific things where it's like,
oh, yeah, this is goingto change everything, and then it's
like and no, I used itonce. Yeah, well, Darren,
I think this is as good inplace as any to wrap it up.
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Welcome to the nerd Polite. Welcometo Maker's Method, a weekly conversation about
what it is to be a makerhere on the Nerd Party Network. I'm
your host, Derek Young of fanHooks Props, and I am joined by
a fellowmaker, Caused Player, andmy buddy Darren Moser, who some of
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you may know as doctor Sci Fi. So I'm going to jump right into
this week's topic, which came tome while I was cleaning up my shop
the other day, and that isI think we all, at some point
in our maker journey a mass somelevel of tool that you immediately think,
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oh, this is going to besuch a huge game changer in the shop.
It's going to make me faster,better, more accurate, etc.
Only to find that it does noneof those things and that it's in a
corner somewhere collecting dust. It islost money, And it kind of not
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that it matters, because you know, what could be a game changer for
you may not be a game changerfor me. But I thought it would
kind of be a funny conversation tohave to talk about things that we had
both purchased thinking at some point wouldbe a huge asset to our making,
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only to find that it fell ridiculouslyshort. Yeah, and I think my
list is going to be a littlemore just ended up not using as often.
I think the ones on my listare not necessarily failures, just or
like the things I thought I wasgoing to be making when in a different
direction. Sure, so, youknow, no fault of the tool zone,
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but still has a more dust onit than other and other projects.
Yeah. Well, you know,as someone who has both a laser and
a C and C machine, youare no stranger to dust. Yes,
yes, and you know same forme and foam. But I digress.
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So the first one that came tomind when this idea popped into my head
was some time ago I saw avideo online. It may have been a
Jimmy drest A video where he wasusing a silicone brush from Rockler Tools designed
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for spreading glue like spreading wood glue. That's right, and you could easily
peel it off and it, youknow, peel it off, you could
wash it off because nothing sticks tosilicone except for silicone for the most part.
And I thought, hey, Iuse a lot of glue, and
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we all know where this one's going. I used it a few times and
then promptly lost it. And Ithink when I found it some many months
later, it still had glue init choker. But the fact that it
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had gone like months without me ausing it, be thinking to use it,
you didn't want me to, youknow now. And it's not cheap.
So the funny thing is when Iused it, it did seem useful.
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And you know, when I douse wood, it is typically plywood
or MDF, And at the timethat I bought it, I happened to
be working on a project that wasusing a lot of plywood. And as
anyone who's worked with plywood will tellyou, it's gonna splinter when you cut
it. For the most part,there's kind of no getting around it unless
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you want to sand every cut,and I just don't. That's just not
me. I don't have time forthat. But yeah, I used it,
and then it disappeared into the abyssthat is my shop, only to
be found like six months a yearlater. Now you know this, Like
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I said, this may be atool that somebody else finds super useful if
they're doing like a ton of glueups. I haven't done any projects that
were similar to the one that Ihappened to be working on at the time
that I acquired this brush since then, but that's that's number one on my
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list of tools that I thought wouldbe super beneficial only to find that I
never never used it again. Yeah, for me, you know, most
of these tools are all woodworking toolsbecause I think I thought I was going
to be doing more woodworking than Iactually did. And they either came about
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from you know, a good agood deal on something, or just the
right time, right place. Andagain, this is nothing bad about the
tools. It's more just again thedirection my making went in the past year
or two. But I would immediatelyprobably say my M two CNC, which
I've used, I've not used sinceI cut desk star panels in January a
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year ago, and it's a Imean, it's still a R C and
C. I love the fact thatit takes up a much smaller footprint that
it. You know, I haveit up against the wall, the fourth
wall of my garage, up youknow, near the door, so I
get to use that space which normallycouldn't be used because it's a rolling door.
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But yeah, everything that is smallenough to fit on the glow forge,
I just put on the glow forgeto cut, and I may have
a project coming up. I wantto make some wood paneled doors, and
I've been thinking of gluing up severalpieces of wood into these large doors and
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then buying a v bit or therouter and doing a program to kind of
carve patterns and reliefs and other thingsonto the doors with the router, which
I think could work. You know, I think it would be. I
don't see why I wouldn't be ableto handle that, but yeah, it's
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kind of like that was the firstbig tool in the last year that I
got. But then once I gotthe glow forage and the laser that,
you know, I started designing forthat, and every project became a laser
project and it's like, well maybeI could cut this, and it's like,
well, yeah, you can dothat with the C and C.
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But it it's a lot to setup, it's a lot to get,
you know, get right or getwrong. So it definitely hasn't reached a
point like I'm on an M anM two users group on Facebook and they'll
be you know, least once amonth someone who's like, hey, I
don't use mine anymore, and boxingit up and selling it and that again,
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nothing bad about the product. Ithink it's still a great product,
but it's it's it's just interesting howif you're really not a woodworker or doing
a lot of stuff needing a Cand C. It is a big use
of space for something that you maynot touch. I mean, you you
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have a different brand C and C. But how often do you feel you
actually go to that well, youknow, especially in the age of laser
sure, I think honestly, thelaser is just it's so easy to use
and whether it's a glow Forage oryou know, any other brand laser that's
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out there, they generally are allpretty easy to like get up and running.
And it's someone who uses Adobe Illustratora lot. It felt very natural
for me to start designing for usewith the laser. And I know that
with you know, some CNC machinesthere's an extra step of having to learn
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some software and things like that,and you know, there's not that barrier
to entry with with laser cutting ingeneral. But yeah, I could definitely
see where you're coming from on thatone. Yeah, and again we're not
saying anything bad about C and C. But I wasn't expecting when I bought
it that the C and C wouldbe the tool that does a job very
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well. But it's almost like onejob, like like I said, you
know, like cutting the dust starpanels like that had to be a four
foot by a foot C and Cto really do that job. But I
just haven't had other projects that reliedon that kind of a tool than I
thought I was. You know,I thought I was going to be going
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into much more woodworking and things likethat, and instead I've been a lot
more laser and acrylic and and otheryou know, and smaller pieces of MDF,
and you start to work around thoseconstraints, you know, I design
things that'll I know, we'll fiton the laser bed because it's it's a
fairly large bed. But if itgets larger than that, now you're looking
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at other tools to make it work. Yeah. I think one of the
other things too, about C andC machines, that's always been a bit
of a concern when it comes tousing it, at least for make considering
the limited amount of space that Ihave, is any cut you make on
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a C and C is going torequire a pretty significant amount of cleanup.
Like within your shop, depending onhow you've got it set up. So
it's like, Okay, yes,I can use this tool to achieve this
result, but then once that partis done, then I also have to
a lot for time to clean upafterward. Yeah, sawdust everywhere, etc.
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I mean, even my rig isit's in a fairly good spot.
But if I needed to use ittomorrow, I would have to move some
things out of the way and pullit a little farther from the wall and
get it kind of recalibrated and allof that. I haven't used it since
I've gotten a new computer, soI'm going to need a little bit of
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brushing up and making sure it's operatingproperly to get it dialed in. But
I still have not reached that pointwhere it's like, I want the space
back and I'm going to sell it, because at the end of the day,
if you find that need for it, there's really only a C and
C that can do that. Yeah. So the second one on my list
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is not necessarily something that I thoughtwas going to be a huge improvement to
my workflow or whatnot. It wassomething given to me by a sponsor,
and while it works very well,and I have nothing bad to say about
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it. I have not used itsince I made the video. And that
is the vacuum form machine. Ohthat's right. It's a little one,
right, Like how big is thebed? Yeah, it's oddly enough,
it's about the same size as theglobe for it. Okay, so like
it's like yeah around there. AndI thought, oh, this is going
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to be great. You know,vacum form and everything. Well when you
combine three D printing and vacuu forming, like those two things work well together
assuming you have a need for it, right, But for me, I
and I you know, assumed Iwould have all these different ideas of things
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that I could make with it andthis and that, and then just found
that those things never materialized. LikeI've used it for a couple of things
since then, but I think outsideof making I think I did two videos
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using it. One was an unboxingand then the other was the droid caller
in the vintage Kenner Blister pack.And I used it to make the blister,
but outside of that, I haven'tturned it on, and that was
like two years ago. It justcollects dust, It holds my respirator and
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like a box of sand, paperon top of it, and I look
at it all the time and Ithink to myself, like, maybe I
should move it is it's sitting ontop of my spray paint cabinet, which
is a decent size cabinet top whereI could potentially put something that would be
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more useful, like a small spraybooth or something like that for you know,
doing airbrushing or whatever. But thenI'm just like, oh, if
I move it some where, where'sit going to go? And then if
I need to get it out ofthere, how big of a pain is
it going to be? Because it'snot white, right, you know,
like this it's built like a tank. But yeah, it pains me to
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see it there too, because itis cool and it does work well,
and I just for the life ofme cannot think of anything to use it
for. You know. It makesme think of like like Brian in the
smugglers room, who I know hasaccess to a vacuum former with his dad,
the Junkyard Jedi, and but alot of stuff that Brian makes is
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very random. But just you know, I feel like it's going to be
something that's going to come up moreoften and jab it's just it's like it's
almost like a tool searching for aneed, you know, versus like a
solution searching for a problem. Andand just like C and C's or other
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two touls, I think they fallinto that niche of Yeah, if if
you need a blister pack, thatthat is your tool that is going to
give you that result. And maybeif you're making some if you're an armor
smith and you made cosplay armor allthe time, you know, turning things
from a three D printed heavy fileinto a lighter you know, vacuum form
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and being able to have that weightreduction would be worth it. But that's
not your deal, that's not yourgig, right, And like I have
friends who use them all the time. But again it's like that is that's
what they do. It is oneof the things that are a couple of
the things that they sell on aregular basis. So for them makes perfect
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sense. Although they've you know,made their own much larger capability than than
the one that I have. ButI wonder if you could vacuum form mold
boxes, so like find some standardtrapezoidal kind of shapes and just so rather
than having to construct a mold boxout of whatever, just vacuuform something that's
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two inches deep and you know it'sslightly tapered. Your object is going to
be suspended in the middle of it, so it doesn't matter if it's flat
or however on the sides. Yeah, I mean it could definitely do it.
That just assumes that I would alwaysneed one particular size box. That's
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true for me. It's kind ofit changes all the time. That is
why I often will keep takeout containersbecause those tend to be about the size
of you know, the greebles andthings like that that I'll make and whatnot.
But I will say this, Ihate to keep talking about the laser.
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This is not a sponsored podcast,everybody. I apologize. Making mold
boxes with the offcuts from other thingsthat I've made on the laser is my
new go to now. Yeah,because I with the light switch covers that
I make, there's always a cutoutfor where the light sway at your outlet
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comes through, and it's just bigenough. On some of the larger ones.
If it's like a two or threetoggle, I've just got this,
you know, big rectangular piece ofmaterial that I don't really have any other
use for. So when I wasthinking of molding the shore Trooper belt buckle.
The other day, I thought,oh, well, that's this is
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a perfect use for these pieces ofMDF that I've been sort of stacking off
to the side of the laser becauseI just refuse to get rid of it,
because I've felt like at some pointI will think of something I can
use as for whether it's like mixingup bondo or epoxy or something like that,
or needing a flat surface to throwdown some carpet tape on so that
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I can stick some small objects tothen you know, spray paint them or
whatever. Like. There would alwaysbe some use for these pieces because they
weren't small enough to throw away,but they weren't big enough to use for
anything else, right, Yeah,well yeah, well, I mean,
like I said, a lot ofmine are woodworking based things, and again,
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like I don't I'm not trying toput them on a bad list.
It's just if you're not doing cabinetryand woodworking all the time, you just
don't use it as much. Imean, I spent a good chunk of
money on a Craig pocket hole jigsystem, and I went it. It's
like the Craig three or the Craigfive. It's the one where you put
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the object in and you push theclip down and it holds it in place
and then you can hit it withthe drill bit. So and the times
I used it again, it workedreally well, and I still have it
and I still would use it abunch. But again, the times that
I'm joining thick pieces of wood togetherwith screws, is I can count on,
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you know, two toes. Itdoesn't, and it doesn't happen that
often because yeah, it's just notI'm not making cabinets or larger objects,
and yeah, so I don't knowif maybe part of it is just sometimes
you gather tools for that one offneed where you need the best tool,
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or sometimes, like you said withthe vacuum former, it's just kind of
a gift and you're like, ohthanks. You know, it's like I
wouldn't have bought this for myself ifbecause I don't feel I have a need
for it, and you still don'thave a need for it. It's just
another tool in the arsenal, andit'll live until it eventually either takes up
too much space or breaks or justoutlives its usefulness. Yeah, I mean
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I would almost even say it aboutthe cricket, like which is a brand
new machine we got last December.But the cricket is also a you know,
it does things really well, butyou need a project for it,
you know, And and especially havinga laser, there's certain times where you
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know, I don't need to cutreally thin wood on the cricket, I
can do that with the laser.I can do a lot of things on
the laser that I don't need todo in other ways. So yeah,
it's yeah, sometimes it is atool searching for a need. Yeah,
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it's funny that you mentioned the Craigjig because I also have a Craig product
on my list, and again,Craig makes great products. I have the
same pocket hole jig that you're describing, and when I do need to use
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pocket holes, it works flawlessly.Yeah. That said, I got very
excited about these clamps that they hadcreated that were sort of a more robust
version of like a spring clamp,where you could just basically clamp it on
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anything and it would automatically determine thethickness of the piece that you were trying
to clamp. So I guess Ishouldn't say they're like spring clamps. They're
more like vice gripts. Okay,but you don't have to dial in how
thick the thing that you're clamping is. It automatically figures it out. And
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I thought, you know, thatis like the perfect thing for me.
I don't want to have to likemess with too many things, especially if
I'm like working on something that's alittle large and you know, like I'm
I'm working at a little bit ofa deficit whatever. So to have a
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clamp that can figure out how thickthe thing is that I'm trying to clamp
it with it, it would withit there we sounded like such a great
idea, But this is actually oneproduct that I could not get to work
as described and because of that,it just got like left on my work
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bench to sort of never be usedagain. And I have like four of
them, and for some reason,I don't know, I must be doing
something wrong. Because of their otherclamps that I own, Like they have
a great set of corner clamps.I use them all the time. They
work perfectly. It's the same kindof a system. But for some reason,
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just these standard clamps, I couldnot get them to work. And
because of that no dice, theydon't get used. Yeah, yeah,
no, And again we aren't sayingthis to be negative about any of these
pieces, but no. So itactually it started to make me think,
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is there a tool in my thatI bought that I knew I would use
but I didn't realize how much Iwould use it? And it became almost
like an everyday carry. And Imean, I haven't sitting right here in
front of me is my digital calipers? Like oh my gosh. Once I
got the laser and I knew Iwas going to start needing things to be
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exact, I picked up one ofthese from Amazon on you know, not
a top a line model, buta nice enough you know, with a
digital display, and man, Iam always using this. It's a go
I mean, if it's under sixinches, it's my go to ruler just
to to measure things. And likeI'm like, I'm lazy, I don't
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and I'm like, oh, whatis that in decimal on inches? You
know, push the button and boom, there you go. So yeah,
I think it says something by thefact that I don't keep it in its
case. I keep it like righton my desk because I'm always reaching for
it. By contrast, I donot use my Thomas or Brian inspired by
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Brian on the smugglers room. Whatis this thing? Even called it Carpenter
square, like a small one.I see him using it all the time.
I rarely use it at all tomeasure things. I just keep a
nice eighteen inch ruler nearby for forgeneral measuring. But yeah, just having
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a nice digital exact specification caliper islike if this broke, I knew,
I would go buy another one immediately. Yeah, because I would use it
that much. Yeah, you're notalone. I also have calipers on my
desk at all times, although theseare the cheap Harbor Freight ones that are
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manual. This was mine for thelongest time. It's the ninety nine Harbor
Freight Like it's plastic and the printingis rubbed off and you kind of had
to guess. I mean, itdid the job, but I was like,
yeah, no, I need toget something better than this. But
this, yeah, I would keepin my pocket or all the time,
just to when you got to getdown to the small minutia. You need
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to know what you're doing. Yeah. I found that the calibers became very
important to me. When I startedlearning fusion three sixty because I think I
roughly know how much this many millimetersis, but let me check. Oh,
that's actually not what I was thinking. And now I'm almost to a
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point where I can look at somethingand be like, oh, that's ten
millimeters, that's seventeen millimeters, likein the same way that Americans look at
things and they're like, oh,that's six inches or whatever it's. I
use it that frequently, which issomething that I never would have thought would
be that useful to me, butI fully agree super useful, especially because
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a lot of the stuff I'm doinginfusion tends to be small things. Yeah,
if I'm like recreating agreeably or somethinglike that, and it's something like
in the real world that I'm tryingto recreate digitally, to be able to
just do a one to one hasbeen extremely helpful. Oh definitely. I
mean all I've been building and thenmy rebuild of version three of K two
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s O I I'm just doing everythingin millimeters because it goes down to one
millimeter, which is a great smallunit of measure and close enough to make
everything work. So yeah, Iactually think I may go try to buy
a a metric tape measure, becauseI don't think I have any that are
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like that. I don't even knowif they sell them over here or they
do. But because I have youknow, rulers and straight edges, but
like I have a one yard rulerthat also has centimeters on one side.
But yeah, just for things thatare longer. I mean, I'm just
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going to be moving to the UKnext year, I guess, you know,
slippery slippery slope. So the lastthing I have on my list.
There were others. They're just kindof throwaways. It has nothing to do
with making in the traditional sense.It is something that I use for the
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YouTube channel, or at least Ithought I was going to use when I
purchased it. And that is agimbal, a camera gimbal. Oh yeah,
how many times do you use yourcamera gimbal? Once? And then
I realized, here's the cheat codefor today, everybody. If you want
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really smooth shots of anything, andyou have an iPhone, film it using
the slow mo option in your cameraand do it very quickly, because when
it's slowed down it looks smoother,buttery smooth. And the problem with the
gimbal, and this is why Ithink I don't use it is that it's
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finicky. You kind of have todial it in every time you use it,
Like you can get close, butthere is some finessing that has to
happen. And in the time thatit would take me to do that,
I could have just grabbed my phoneout of my pocket and done a quick
yeah SloMo shot with something and bedone with it. And you're not walking
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around places, you're not a travelblogger. You're not trying to get that
smooth shot while you're running to jumpinto the next Disneyland ride. So and
TV's changed, Like I remember,you know, I was a film student
growing up, and it was likethe tripod was law. Like you,
everything was on the tripod. Everythinghad to be smooth, and a handheld
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was very rare because that was justthe look that everybody did. And then
when phones got video and it becamewhat is the easiest way to get this?
I mean, oh my gosh.I remember the change from like what
I would consider the current editing styleof just edit out the bad parts.
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Who cares if you see the cuts, And that wasn't always the case.
It used to be if you hada cut, you would try to put
a little bit of a dissolve init, or you try to hide it
in a something else, or evenhaving like two angles, or even going
from like a wide to a narrowtake so that it broke it up a
little bit. And then again itjust became people really don't even care about
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that, Like at the end ofthe day, it's just tell the story.
And you know, now you havepeople where they're talking and you can
tell this was probably twenty takes andit's almost like a ransom video edited together
to piece them into what they're tryingto say. But you know what,
our brain puts it all together justas easily, and we kind of discovered
(30:59):
that it's not the biggest deal inthe world. I mean, it can
it's a look, so you candefinitely choose to not go that direction.
But yeah, yeah, like yousaid, it's just as easy to pull
out your phone and shoot that forfive seconds, then to set up the
gimbal to have a really nice likeeverybody knows, you know, the end
shot, the beauty shot of theobject when you're done with it, like
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that's the nice smooth pan moment.Everything else during production is like just get
it in the in the camera.Yeah, although I will say I saw
today on Instagram I like to makestuff showed a little bit of behind the
scenes. It was a joke thatthey were playing on one of the guys
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on the team. They'd stuck asticker on its back. But I was
watching. I didn't care about thejoke as much as I was very interested
in the fact that they just letBob work on the project and somebody else
is responsible for filming, and theyjust sort of film a bit here and
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they shoot it wide and then theymove to the last year moved to the
right, and then reframe and thenget you know, zoom in a little
bit and then shoot that for awhile. And I just thought, oh
my god, how nice would thatbe? Yeah, yeah, I'm sure
you know that's come from many projectsand years of working together where they know
exactly what to do, and Bobknows the speed at which to work at,
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and he knows when know that he'sgoing to go do something else.
I just watched a tested video whereAdam was making the tinfoil ball where he
took a whole roll of tinfoil andcompressed it and tapped it, and that
he's like self filming he just hasa camera and he's and he's self filming
himself and it's very like, okay, you know, it's almost a live
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stream where it's like okay, justa little bit, but it's still really
well shot. I mean it looksgood, but yeah, it's it's just
interesting when you go, I mean, we obviously haven't gotten to the point
yet where we have a crew,you know, to and you think like,
yeah, oh my gosh, howmuch would that speed things up?
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Because I wouldn't have to set itup. I watched a Twitch streamer actually
last month that had cameras at leastone camera in his setup that he had
written some sort of software. Ithink that it tracked him, like it
actually tracked him around the room soas he walked from one spot to another.
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And it's like, oh, that'sthat's actually kind of nice. You
know. I don't know if Iwould use that, but yeah, it's
well and oddly, zero camera peopleto one camera people is the biggest leap
in the world, right This gimbalhas that capability. Okay, has tracking
its gimbal, and it will haveto put something on yourself that it's tracking,
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like a little general thing. Itjust looking at recognizes based on the
scene that you've set up, andum, and I've never used it.
But then again, most of theprojects that I do are shot over my
shoulder, right, so it wouldn'tget ride. It's like a tie and
lapse and you're painting and you're it'sa wide shot and like you don't need
(34:21):
to track anything in that. Yeah, exactly. So that's that is something
that I bought thinking for sure wasgoing to be and lo and behold.
So if anyone's in the market fora gimbal, you just need more field
trips. Field trips with van overas you go places and take pictures of
(34:45):
your food, you know, makesomething like that. Yeah you heard it
here first everybody, I'm not takinganymore and I'm going to become a food
influencer. Take it to celebration andas you walk along the corridors and shoot
all the amazing costumes and droids andthings, and then you'll probably just be
(35:06):
stressing out about losing a very expensivepiece of photo equipment, you know,
the entire time totally, because I'mthat level of neurotic when it comes to
stuff like that. It's like,I don't use this, but I don't
want to lose it either, right, it's not worth nothing. But well
yeah, well, if you're listeningand you have a tool in your tool
(35:28):
belts or in your shop that youthought would be the be all end all
tool but it ended up being inthe junk draw on its own. Yeah,
I just said us a message whereall all over the internet and be
interesting to see. Again. Maybeit's something that is specialized and you just
(35:49):
ended up not going into that specialtyas you thought you were, But I
think it's interesting. Yeah, thoseespecially those really specific things where it's like,
oh, yeah, this is goingto change everything, and then it's
like and no, I used itonce. Yeah, well, Darren,
I think this is as good inplace as any to wrap it up.
(36:09):
But before we go, if peoplewanted to catch up with you and see
what you're working on, where canthey find you? And go to doctor
sci Fi dot com which has allof my social links awesome, and I
can be found on YouTube every Saturdayat nine am Pacific at van Oaks Props,
as well as on Instagram also atvan Oaks Props. And I have
(36:31):
a website too, but I rarelyupdate. It just points to those other
places. Pretty much points to videosI made eighteen months ago. Well.
As always, you can find awhole variety of nerdy content here on the
nerd Party Network. We have podcastsabout everything from literature to sci fi of
(36:54):
every flavor, so be sure tocheck out the full lineup of shows over
at nerdparty dot com. And untilnext time, keep making h
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