July 2, 2025 • 46 mins
This hour of Mama Bears Radio, I dissect the recent Atlantic Magazine article which, to their credit, attempted an "could we have been WRONG about the SCIENCE??" article after the recent Supreme Ct decision Skirmetti v. Tennessee. Whoops?? Did someone say, "we were wrong?" Could this be the start of a brand new awakening for SOME PEOPLE?? I daren't dream too hard about that, but this article sure did cop to a few hard facts.
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let me back up just a bit. This is Mama
Bear's Radio. Why do I call the show that? Now?
If you know my history of four long years on
this radio station, I might add, and it's sister station.
I am in it to give our kids a future
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that they deserve. I don't know how else to say it,
but we are called to provide them a with a
stable world, a stable excuse me, inner world, to give
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them a sense of self and self reliance, and instill
in them, as I say, not only a love of
country and an understanding of the world around them, reverence
for God, all all of these great things, but an
emotional stability, the tool built on their little waists to
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be able to handle the world ahead. And we're not
going to do that by messing with their heads and
confusing them on some really basic things. I just can't
handle that. There are forces among us these days that
really do have skidded off the tracks, the mental clarity
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and reason reasonability, Like, how about there's some basic facts
about life that these people are off the rails on
and it's not about inclusivity. I have a news flash
in the spirit of, as I've talked about before, taking
my show in a positive, forward thinking direction of not
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just barking about Gavin Newsom and being politically minded. I'm
leaving that behind because we are schoolhouse Radio here and
we are here to uplift the community and the young
people in our community. Put them on the radio, let
them have a platform, help them express themselves, develop their voice,
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learn how to speak and debate, communicate, get off their phones,
all those great things. We're here to be a resource
for the young people in our community in a platform
for them, and it's in the spirit of lifting them
up and doing our level best to there's dinging in
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the background. Sorry about that, distracting even me. There we
go my forty second attention second of forty seven second
attention span down the tubes with some errant dinging. Okay,
but this is in the spirit of treating our kids
well and raising them up so that they can be
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whole people and not suffer emotionally or mentally, or just
have so they can have clarity of mind as adults.
And I just think that there there's these extraneous forces
in the mix that want to tear that down. And
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I don't view this as a left and right issue.
I don't view this subject of telling kids that they
can be some other gender that they're not, that they
can change their sex. You've heard me talk about this before.
This is an issue. This is like ninety nine point
nine nine percent of people out there are like, well, yeah,
there's some immutable facts about life here on planet Earth.
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You know that our kids deserve to hear from us
adults in the room. They're not trying to mess with
their minds. It's not about equality, it's not about inclusivity.
It's not about any of these tagwords that people have
sort of glommed onto to hitch their wagons to this ideology.
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We can treat people equally and we have laws for that,
and we do. We're a good people. We're a good
society from this little small community we live into, like
the greater state of California and the nation. We are
good people. We are not racist. We do not have
great majority of us do not wish ill will on anyone.
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We've come at the world as a nation with a
Christian spirit, which is not discriminating, and people just have
wished to twist that around. And in the spirit of
loving one another and loving our kids and providing a
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nation and a future for them, we have to stop
this insane twilight zone world that we're trying to convince
ourselves and themselves of. So I'm sorry for the background.
I really feel like I need to qualify a little
bit that delving into the subject seeing the things that
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I'm going to talk about, And excuse me, Helen Lewis
and The Atlantic has said to the World, which is
a very left leaning publication. Like I said, I've railed
against articles from them before, but I'm I'm glad that
we're having a sanity check on some of this. And again,
this is not in the spirit of being discriminatory. This
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is not in the spirit of like politics left or right.
This is us. This is we the people, this is
the We're one human to the next. And like I
just said that, at the end of the last hour
or the beginning of this hour, the four year old
that fell off the Disney Cruise cruise ship and the
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father jumped in to rescue her. That's how I feel,
That's what I would do for my kid or any
other kid. Okay, So the title of this article the
liberal misinformation bubble about youth gender medicine. How the left
ended up disbelieving the science. Now in this article, we're
calling out sort of left and right. This has been
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politically abused in that way. Like I said, this is
something that has been co opted. There are people and
forces that have co opted the goodwill of people. Okay,
the article starts, allow children to transition or they will
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kill themselves. For more than a decade, this has been
the strongest argument in favor of youth gender medicine, A
scenario so awful that it stifled any doubts or questions
about puberty blockers and cross sex hormones. Right, shut up,
because the kids will kill themselves is the message we've
all heard. This is me paraphrasing. It's hard to tell
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where the article starts and Kristen's mouth ends here, guys,
but I'm going to attempt to get through some of this. Okay,
back to the article, and again this is by Hellan Lewis.
Quote we often ask parents, would you rather have a
dead son than a live daughter? This is Johanna Olsen
Kennedy of Children's Hospital Los Angeles once explained to ABC News,
variations on the phrase crop up in innumerable media articles
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and public statements by influencers, activists, and LGBTQ groups. The
same idea that the choice is transition or death appeared
in the arguments made by Elizabeth Preligar, the Biden Administration's
Solicitor General, before the Supreme Court last year Tennessee's law
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prohibiting the use of puberty blockers and cross sex hormones
to treat miners with gender dysphoria woods. She said, quote
increase the risk of suicide. But there's a huge problem
with this emotive formulation. It isn't true. When Justice Samuel
Samuel Alito challenged the ACLU lawyer Chase Strangio preends very
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interesting name close priends on such that was me on
such claims. During oral arguments, Strangio made a startling admission.
She conceded that there is no evidence to support the
idea that medical transition reduces adolescent suicide rates. At first,
Strangio dodged the question, saying that research shows that blockers
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and hormones reduce depression, anxiety, and suicidality. That is, suicidal thoughts. Now,
even that is debatable according to reviews of the research literature.
But when Aledo reference to systemic review conducted for the
CAST report in England, Strangeo conceded to the point quote,
there's no evidence in some in the studies that this
treatment reduces completed suicide, she said. And the reason for
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that is completed suicide, thankfully and admittedly is rare. And
we're talking about a very small population of individuals with
studies that don't necessarily have completed some suicides within them.
That's a roundabout statement. And here says the article was
the trans rights movement's greatest legal brain speaking in front
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of the nation's highest court, and what she was saying
was that the strongest arguments for hotly debated treatment was
in fact not supported by the evidence. I'm gonna have
to take a pause here for my commercial break. The
article gets way better, honestly, I again, this is from
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the Atlantic. I'm very very heartened by the way this
is treated and the things that were called out. It's
stuff I've been saying all along. I'm not like, yeah,
I was right, but I just want to say, for
the National Sanity Check, can we all come back, just
down to earth a little bit about this subject. Okay,
to be continued on the other side of the break.
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This is Mama Bears Radio. Kristen Hurley here. I'll be
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Then reades road. Welcome back to Mama Bear's Radio. Kristen
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Hurley here, Safe and effective Radio. We are talking about
the article in the Atlantic by Helen Lewis talking about
the Scrimti v. Tennessee decision. And incidentally, there was a
gigantic article in the New York Times eleven thousand words.
I have it here. I wasn't about to really get
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into it because it's meaty, but if you wanted, you
can look that up. Obviously, this decision, which I think
was about a week and a half old now right,
rumbled through some communities and everyone's kind of coming to
terms with it. The New York Times article, just like
the Atlantic here, which is more concise treatment of the
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whole concept, went through the gamut of where are we now,
what happened? What's actually going on here? Like can we
have some sanity about this? So I'm pleased for, like
I said, some clear voices on this, and I really
want to keep going with it Atlantic article because, like
I said, it's concise, it runs the gamut through kind
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of the storyline here, and I really do appreciate the
open honesty, what's that? Okay, here we go again, and
the spirit of caring well for our next generation. This
is not this is not that we have been wool
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pulled over our eyes. The narrative about this has been
so misleading. It's not about excluding anyone. It's not about
like hatred and discrimination and all of these attributes that
have been afforded to those of us who are like,
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wait a minute, I have real reasons why I think
the whole practice of medical treatments on underage children is
disgusting and abhorrent. I of my own personal reasons about
this someday maybe we'll get into, but suffice to say,
let's get back to the Atlantic. Advocates of the open
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science movement often talk about quote zombie facts, popular soundbites
that persist in public debate even when they have been
repeatedly discredited. Many common political claims made in defense of
puberty blockers and hormones for gender dysphoric miners meet this definition.
These zombie facts have been flatly contradicted, not just by conservatives,
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but also by prominent advocates and practitioners of the treatment,
at least when they are speaking candidly. Whoops there, it
is right there. Many liberals were unaware of this, however,
because they are stuck in media bubbles which well meaning
commentators make confident assertions for youth gender medicine, claims from
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which it's elite advocates have long since retreated. Perhaps the
existence of this bubble shouldn't be surprising. Many of the
most fervent advocates of youth transition are also on record
disparaging the idea that it should be debated at all. Strangio,
who works for the country's best known free speech organization,
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the ACOLU, once tweeted that she would like to scuttle
Abigail Schreyer's book Irreversible Damage, A Skeptical treatment of Youth
gender Medicine. Strange GEO declared, quote, stopping the circulation of
this book and these ideas is one hundred percent a
hill I will die on. Whoops censorship much. Marcy Bauers,
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the former head of the World Professional Association for Transgender Health,
This is w path. I've talked about them before. The
most prominent organization for gender medicine providers has likened skepticism
and gender child gender medicine to Holocaust denial. Quote these
are not There are not two sides to this issue,
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she once said. According to a recent episode of the
Protocol in New York Times podcast, boasting about your unwillingness
unwillingness to listen to your opponents probably plays well in
some crowds, but it left strang Gio badly exposed in
front of the Supreme Court, where it became clear that
the conservative judges had read the most convincing critiques of
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hormones and blockers and had some questions as a result.
Here we go listen up, trans writes. Activists like to
accuse skeptics of youth gender medicine and publications that dare
to report their views of fomenting a quote moral panic.
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But the movement has spent the past decade telling gender
non conforming children that anyone who tries to restrict access
to puberty blockers and hormones is effectively trying to kill them.
This was false. A stranger's answer tactically conceded it was
also irresponsible. Did the Atlantic just say that? And that's
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what I'm talking about? Okay, put sidebar for Kristen here.
We're not telling anyone that we're trying to kill you
if we don't affirm your gender. How do children, excuse me,
get this idea in their heads in the first place,
that it's possible to change your gender. Someone has lied
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to them along the way. Again, there's this, Okay, I'm
gonna bring it back up, this quote from Charlie Kirk.
I'm trying to find it here. If you're eighteen and
think you're the opposite sex, you have a mental illness.
If you're eight and think you're the opposite sex, your
mother has a mental illness. So I'm sorry. Somewhere along
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the line, a child who thinks that they are the
opposite genders, sex or whatever, someone put that idea in
their head, all right, So after so I just am
applauding thank you for the Atlantic and Helen Lewis in
particular for saying this is false, trying to accuse everyone
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else in the world who's been like, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no about this saying that we're trying to kill children
by refuting their assertations that yes, children can change their gender,
and it's irresponsible. Thank you, I appreciate that. Okay. Back
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to the article. After England restricted the use of puberty
blockers in twenty twenty, the government asked an expert psychologist,
Lewis Applebee, to investigate whether the suicide rate for patients
at the country's youth gender clinic rose dramatically as a result,
and it did not. In fact, he did not find
any increase in suicides at all, despite the lurid claims
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made online. Quote. The way that this issue has been
discussed on social media has been insensitive, distressing, and dangerous,
and also goes against guidance on safe reporting of suicide.
Apple Be reported. One risk is that young people and
their families will be terrified by predictions of suicide as
inevitable without puberty blockers. When red state bans are discussed,
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says the article, you will also hear liberals say that
conservative fears about the gender the medical transition pathway are
overwrought because all children get extensive, personalized assessments before being
prescribed blockers. Or hormones. This too is untrue, admits The Atlantic.
Although the official standards of care recommend thorough assessment over
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several months, many American clinics say they will prescribe blockers
on a first visit. They say that overtly this isn't
just a matter of US health providers skimping on talk
therapy to keep costs down. Some practitioners view long evaluations
as unnecessary and even patronizing. Quote, I don't send someone
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to a therapist when I'm going to start them on insulin.
Olsen Kennedy told The Atlantic in twenty eighteen. Her published
research shows that she has referred girls as young as
thirteen for double mystectomies and what if these children later
regret the decision quote Adolescents actually have the capacity to
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make a reason logical decision, she once told an industry seminar, adding,
if you want breasts to the later point in your life,
you can go and get them. This is Johannah Olsen
Kennedy saying this. She's on record all over the place
is saying this kind of garbage, and she this is
Kristen's sidebar. Here has been at the absolute poster child
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forefront of the quote research and the standard of care
at a prominent children's hospital. How many children has she
chopped body parts off of knowing? And the wpath admitted this.
We've talked about this before. The physicians know they cannot
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get informed consent from miners or their parents. You tell
the parents, oh, well, either you do this or your
kid's going to kill themselves. No longer can you get
informed consent out of anyone when you say when a
doctor in a almost said straight jacket and a white
coat tells a parent that, and children as young as thirteen,
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claims Olton Kennedy can decide make a lifelong decision at thirteen,
chop off your breasts and oh you can always get
them later. Again, excuse me, you cannot? Ah, Okay again,
I appreciate the Atlantic for the honest treatment here. There's
more to this article I want to go through. We're
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gonna get to it, but I'm going to take my
break here at this point. So this is Mama Bear's
Radio trying to cover a very touchy subject here. But
I just absolutely again disclaimer. We cannot move forward as
a society without coming to terms in terms with certain
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basic facts and we cannot raise our kids in an
environment of like just confusion and chaos. And excuse me
for using this word misinformation, We're gonna mess them up.
We already have so many confused kids out there, so
many kids left destroyed by surgeries or permanent disfigurement internally
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and externally, medications, hormones. Excuse me, I shouldn't say medications.
We are well down this path and it is about stupid,
stink and time that we have a come to Jesus
moment about this. Nationally, I'm very grateful for the movement
again in the New York Times and The Atlantic, which
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are sort of you know, left leaning. Again, this is
not a right or left arc issue. This is a
human disaster that we all need to come to terms
with anyways. So I say this in the spirit of like,
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this is all for one and one for all kind
of a thing. This is not biased politics. Here, Okay,
Mama Bear's Radio, Kristen Hurley here, I'll be right back
Mama Bear's Radio. We'll be right back. Welcome back to
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Mama Bear's Radio. Kristin Hurley. Here, we are trunking our
way through the Atlantic. Article by Helen Lewis talking about
the Scurmetti, the Tennessee decision that came out about a
week and a half ago out of the Supreme Court.
This is a little bit of a come to Jesus
moment for The Atlantic. I'm impressed they published this. There's
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some hard truths in here, and I appreciate it. I again,
as The New York Times published a huge article kind
of wondering what went wrong with the trans movement. Finally, finally,
some honesty out of the generalized, more generalized national publications here,
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I'm going to continue with this article. Perhaps the greatest
piece of him misinformation believed by liberals. However, I can't
believe The Atlantic is saying this but okay, is that
the American standards of care in this area are strongly
evidence based. In fact, at this point, the fairest thing
to say about the evidence surrounding medical transition for adolescence,
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the so called Dutch protocol as opposed to talk therapy
and other support, is that it is weak and inconclusive.
Helen Lewis here says a further complication is that American
child gender medicine has deviated significantly from this original protocol
in terms of length, of assessments, a number of and
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demographics of minors being treated. Yes, as activists are keen
to point out, most major American medical associations support the
Dutch protocol, but consensus is not the same as evidence,
and that consensus is politically influenced. Rachel Levine, President Biden's
assistant and Secretary for Health and Human Services, successfully lobbied
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to have age minimums removed for most surgeries from the
standards of care drawn up by w PATH. That was
a deeply political decision. Levine, according to emails from excuse
me his office reviewed by The Times, believed that listing
any specific age limits under age eighteen would give opponents
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of youth transition hard targets to exploit. More recently, another
court case over banning blockers and hormones, this time in Alabama,
has revealed that w PATH members themselves had doubts about
their own guidelines. So here we go. Listen to this.
In twenty twenty two, Alabama passed the law criminalizing the
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prescription of hormones and blockers to patients under nineteen. After
the Biden administration sued to block the law. The state's
Republican Attorney general subpoena documents showing that Wpath has known
for some time that the evidence base for adolescent transition
is thin. Quote. All of us are painfully aware that
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there are many gaps in research to back up our recommendations.
Eli Coleman, the psychologist who chaired the team revising the
standards of care, wrote to his colleagues in twenty twenty three,
yet the organization did not make this clear and public.
The Alabama litigation also confirmed that Doud B. A. Path
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had commissioned systemic systematic reviews of the evidence for the
Dutch protocol. However, close to publication, the Johns Hopkins University
researcher involved was told that her findings needed to be
quote scrutinized and reviewed to ensure that publication does not
negatively affect the provision of transgender healthcare quote unquote. This
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is not how evidence based medicine is supposed to work.
You don't start with the treatment and then ensure only
studies that support that treatment are published. The Alabama disclosures
are not the only example of this reluctance to acknowledge
contrary evidence. Last year, oldsen Kennedy said that she had
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not published her own broad study on mental health outcomes
for youth with gender dysphoria because she worried about its
results being quote weaponized. That raised suspicions that she had
found only sketchy evidence to support the treatments that she
had been prescribing and publicly advocating for over many years.
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Last month, her study finally appeared as a pre pre print,
a form of scientific publication where the evidence has not
yet been peer reviewed or finalized. Its participants quote demonstrated
no significant changes in reported anxious or depressed, withdrawn or depressed,
somatic complaints, social problems, thought problems, attention problems, aggressive behavior,
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internalizing problem or externalizing problems in the two years after
starting puberty blockers. Ooh, you guys, the Atlantic is saying this.
This is straight from the Atlantic. Finally a national conversation
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about what a lot of us has been saying all
the time, and people have said, shut up and trust
the science. Hello, okay, Sorry, sidebar, christ and sidebar. Back
to the article. The reliance on elite consensus over evidence
helps make sense of w pat's flatly hostile response to
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the CAST report in England, which commissioned systemic reviews systematic
reviews sorry and recommended extreme caution over the use of
blockers and hormones. The review was a direct challenge to
w pat's ability to position itself as the final arbiter
of these treatments, something that became more obvious when the
Conservative justices referenced the British document in their questions and
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opinions in skurmedi. One of w pat's main charges against
Hillary Cass, the senior pediatrician who led the review, was
that she was not a gender specialist. In other words,
she was not part of the charmed circle who already
agreed that these treatments were beneficial. Okay, moving on here,
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because I want to keep I want to get to
this before the end of the hour here. Advocates of
youth gender medicine have reacted furiously to articles in The
Times and elsewhere that take Cass's conclusions seriously. Indeed, some
people inside the information bubble appear to believe that if
respectable publications would stop publishing, stop writing about the story,
all the doubts and questions and Republican attempts to capitalize
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on them electorally would simply disappear. Whenever The Times has
published a less than cheerleading article about youth transitions. Supporters
of gender medicine have accused the newspaper of manufacturing a
debate that otherwise would not exist. Who After the Skermittee decision,
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Strangio was still describing media coverage of the issue as
quote insidious, adding the New York quote. The New York
Times especially has been fixated on casting the medical care
as being of an insufficient quality. Okay, all right, a
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little bit more before my last break? Here? Can this
misinformation bubble ever be burst? Asks the Atlantic. On the left,
support for youth transition has been rolled together with other
issues such as police reform and climate activism, as a
kind of super savor combo deal of correct opinions. The
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thirty three year old Democratic socialist Zooron Mom Donnie has
made funding gender transition, including for minors, part of his
pitch to be New York to New York's mayor. But
complicated issues deserve to be treated individually. You can criticize Israel,
object the militarization of America's police forces, and believe that
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climate change is real, and yet still not support irreversible,
experimental and unproven medical treatments for children a stinking men.
Thank you Helen Lewis of the Atlantic for saying this
out loud to all of America. I mean, seriously, guys, again,
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this is not a right or left issue. It has
been co opted and used and abused and shoved down
everyone's throats until we're all that as crazy over it.
We're not a divided nation on this. Our children are
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our absolute most prescous commodity. Forget stupid gold and oil
futures and whatever, our kids' futures, and we are wrecking
them with fighting over this insanity. All right, anyways, I'm
going to take my last break here. I will finish
up the last little bits of this article, which, again,
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like I said, put it so succinctly, I can't believe
that this is it published in the Atlantic. We are
having come to Jesus moments about these topics at the
Supreme Court, and I'm not even getting to the mood
versus Taylor. I will talk about that maybe next week.
Major major ramifications for people that want to usurp your
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children and take your parental rights away from you, your
decision to conduct your families and your children in the
way that you see fit. I'm really glad for a
national reckoning on this because our children will benefit, not
because I'm like, yes, somebody got the better of somebody else. No,
we are we the people. We are we the parents,
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and I care only about the future of this country
for my children and for yours. All right, everybody, This
is Mama Bear's Radio, Kristen Hurley Here. I'll be right back,
Mama Bear's Radio. We'll be right back.
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They say, tells you lied you away. I'm write the
streets someday.
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Pace. Welcome back to Mama Bear's Radio. Kristin Hurley Here,
my last little segment of the day. Here, stay tuned
for School's out drivetime show after this, and then surf
Skates City at six o'clock. Isaiah Guzmann is subbing in
for Henry Michelle today. I want to get back to
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this Atlantic article, finish it up just a bit again.
I scratched the surface of a bunch of other stuff
I wanted to talk about today. I guess I should
be on every day of the week. I really I
might not be able to handle that. I get nothing
else done, but at any rate, stick with me a
little bit longer. Here again, This is Helen Lewis again,
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this is for our kids future, a little bit of
sanity check for the nation. I really appreciate the Atlantic
having an honest treaties of this subject. This is the
Skurmety v. Tennessee decision coming out of Supreme Court this week.
So Helen says in the article, I've always argued against
straightforward bands on medical transition for adolescents. In practice, the
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way these have been enacted in Red States has been
uncarrying and punitive. Parents are threatened with child abuse and
investigations for pursuing treatments that medical professionals have assured them
are safe. She's being honest here. Stick with me, guys.
Children with severe mental health troubles suddenly lose therapeutic support.
Clinics nationwide, including Olsen Kennedy's, are now abruptly closing because
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of the political atmosphere. Writing about the subject in twenty
twenty three, how says Helen Lewis, I argued that the
only way out of the culture war was for the
American Medical associations to commission reviews and carefully consider the evidence. However,
she says, the relevations from Scurmetti and the Alabama case
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have made me more sympathetic to commentators such as Leor
Sapir of the Conservative Manhattan Institute, who supports the bands
because American medicine cannot be trusted to police itself. Quote,
are these bands the perfect solution? Probably not, he told
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me in twenty twenty three. But at the end of
the day, if it's between banning gender firming care and
leaving it unregulated, I think we can minimize the amount
of harm by banning it. And Helen Lewis goes on
to say, once you know that w Path wanted to
publish a review only if it came to the group's
preferred conclusion, Sapir's case becomes more compelling. Okay, side Kristin Hurley,
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sidebar here. I love. I love the progression of thought
of Like you think one thing, other facts come to light.
You start to ask some questions and view things from
a different angle. Can the medical industry regulate itself with
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dollar signs are involved? Give you one good guess on that.
And we're seeing that over and over again with a
bunch of different topics. Obviously, the last X number of
weeks I've talked about big pharma under the umbrella of
like mental illness world. I appreciate someone and this includes myself.
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I suppose I used to think one thing. You mature
and grow and think outside your immediate box and you
see things in a different light. So Helen Lewis, I think,
is probably not alone in all of this. I hope
she's not here. We go. She's going to continue in
the article. Despite the concerted efforts to suppress the evidence. However,
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the picture on youth gender medicine has been come clearer
over the past decade. It's no humiliation to update our
beliefs as a result. I regularly used to write that
medical transition was life saving before I saw how limited
the evidence on suicide was. And it took another court
case brought by the British detransitioner Kirabelle for me to
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fully realize that puberty blockers were not what they were
sold as a quote safe and reversible treatment that gave
patients quote time to think, but instead a one way
ticket to full transition with physical changes that cannot be undone,
says Helen Lewis of The Atlantic. She says for everyone else, however,
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the choice is still open. We can support civil rights
protections for transgender people without having to endorse an experimental
and unproven set of medical treatments, or having to repeat
emotionally manipulative and now discredited claims about suicide. She says,
I am not I'm a fan of the American way
of settling political disputes by kicking them over to an
escalating series of judges. But in the case of youth
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general medicine, the legal system has provided clarity and disclosure
that might otherwise not exist. Thanks to the Supreme Courts,
oral questioning and Scrimmetti and the discovery process in Alabama,
we now have a clearer picture. Ho, excuse me, I
just my hat is off. My hat is off. Let's
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let the evidence come to light, and let's help everyone
think a little bit more clearly about things. And it's
the sacrifice of our kids that's the problem. It's not
the problem that the whole argument here is consenting adults.
Great Now, I would argue you're not a consultant consenting
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adults until maybe twenty five. We should change the time
limit on that. But to have let and this is
what really gets my goat. Let our little arguments, as
the adults in the room here of this country, the
people run in the country here, self governing, and the
whole messy lot of us having a debate over something.
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Somebody's got some idea, I've got other ideas. We all
have a plethora of ideas, right and wrong and necessary
and not necessary, and the whole gammut. Fine, have it
out amongst ourselves. But when you start causing harm, and
this is real physical and chemical harm to our children,
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mental harm. They are the casualties of this war. Fine,
we can all disagree, We're supposed to, supposed to have
dissent and discussion and hammer out, hammered out after a
long time of debate. Great love it, But to sacrifice
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our kids on the altar of I'm right in a
in the most sick and disgusting way possible, the chopping
off of breasts and the chopping off of body parts,
irreversible chemical castration because a few people have a head
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trip and then the group think, does the rest of
is the rest of the hammer on this? And you
want to go along to get along, and like, oh,
I don't want to be fired for my job, so
I'm just going to grin and agree. Oh fine, if
we're talking adults have at it, go nuts, chop your
stuff off. I don't recommend it, but to do it
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to like I said, our nation's most pressure commodity. Our
future is sick and disgusting and cannot be tolerated. And
I'm really glad at least Helen Lewis of the Atlantic
has come around the bend on this one. It's okay
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to have thought one thing and then you grow and
you learn. We're meant to grow. God wants us to
grow and grow our understanding and evolve and become better
and higher versions of ourselves. Think more clearly, learn and change.
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I'm one hundred percent convinced that that's the most beautiful
process of all. But at the expense of our children
is disgusting and depraved. And so again I'm grateful for
the national roundabout on this. I will continue to fight
to protect our kids. Again. This is Mama Bear's radio.
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What am I out here for? This is not right
and left, This is not politics. This is protection of
our future, guardians of our national treasure, our kids, for
my kids and for yours, And this is something we
all agree on. I'm utterly convinced. All right, guys, well,
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in that spirit of groupthink, on my end. I'm gonna
end this hour. I will be back on in a
few minutes for School's Out drivetime show, hopefully a little
bit lighter fair for some entertaining commute time. And then
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let me back up just a bit. This is Mama
Bear's Radio. Why do I call the show that? Now?
If you know my history of four long years on
this radio station, I might add, and it's sister station.
I am in it to give our kids a future
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that they deserve. I don't know how else to say it,
but we are called to provide them a with a
stable world, a stable excuse me, inner world, to give
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them a sense of self and self reliance, and instill
in them, as I say, not only a love of
country and an understanding of the world around them, reverence
for God, all all of these great things, but an
emotional stability, the tool built on their little waists to
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be able to handle the world ahead. And we're not
going to do that by messing with their heads and
confusing them on some really basic things. I just can't
handle that. There are forces among us these days that
really do have skidded off the tracks, the mental clarity
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and reason reasonability, Like, how about there's some basic facts
about life that these people are off the rails on
and it's not about inclusivity. I have a news flash
in the spirit of, as I've talked about before, taking
my show in a positive, forward thinking direction of not
(03:38):
just barking about Gavin Newsom and being politically minded. I'm
leaving that behind because we are schoolhouse Radio here and
we are here to uplift the community and the young
people in our community. Put them on the radio, let
them have a platform, help them express themselves, develop their voice,
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learn how to speak and debate, communicate, get off their phones,
all those great things. We're here to be a resource
for the young people in our community in a platform
for them, and it's in the spirit of lifting them
up and doing our level best to there's dinging in
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the background. Sorry about that, distracting even me. There we
go my forty second attention second of forty seven second
attention span down the tubes with some errant dinging. Okay,
but this is in the spirit of treating our kids
well and raising them up so that they can be
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whole people and not suffer emotionally or mentally, or just
have so they can have clarity of mind as adults.
And I just think that there there's these extraneous forces
in the mix that want to tear that down. And
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I don't view this as a left and right issue.
I don't view this subject of telling kids that they
can be some other gender that they're not, that they
can change their sex. You've heard me talk about this before.
This is an issue. This is like ninety nine point
nine nine percent of people out there are like, well, yeah,
there's some immutable facts about life here on planet Earth.
(05:31):
You know that our kids deserve to hear from us
adults in the room. They're not trying to mess with
their minds. It's not about equality, it's not about inclusivity.
It's not about any of these tagwords that people have
sort of glommed onto to hitch their wagons to this ideology.
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We can treat people equally and we have laws for that,
and we do. We're a good people. We're a good
society from this little small community we live into, like
the greater state of California and the nation. We are
good people. We are not racist. We do not have
great majority of us do not wish ill will on anyone.
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We've come at the world as a nation with a
Christian spirit, which is not discriminating, and people just have
wished to twist that around. And in the spirit of
loving one another and loving our kids and providing a
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nation and a future for them, we have to stop
this insane twilight zone world that we're trying to convince
ourselves and themselves of. So I'm sorry for the background.
I really feel like I need to qualify a little
bit that delving into the subject seeing the things that
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I'm going to talk about, And excuse me, Helen Lewis
and The Atlantic has said to the World, which is
a very left leaning publication. Like I said, I've railed
against articles from them before, but I'm I'm glad that
we're having a sanity check on some of this. And again,
this is not in the spirit of being discriminatory. This
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is not in the spirit of like politics left or right.
This is us. This is we the people, this is
the We're one human to the next. And like I
just said that, at the end of the last hour
or the beginning of this hour, the four year old
that fell off the Disney Cruise cruise ship and the
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father jumped in to rescue her. That's how I feel,
That's what I would do for my kid or any
other kid. Okay, So the title of this article the
liberal misinformation bubble about youth gender medicine. How the left
ended up disbelieving the science. Now in this article, we're
calling out sort of left and right. This has been
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politically abused in that way. Like I said, this is
something that has been co opted. There are people and
forces that have co opted the goodwill of people. Okay,
the article starts, allow children to transition or they will
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kill themselves. For more than a decade, this has been
the strongest argument in favor of youth gender medicine, A
scenario so awful that it stifled any doubts or questions
about puberty blockers and cross sex hormones. Right, shut up,
because the kids will kill themselves is the message we've
all heard. This is me paraphrasing. It's hard to tell
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where the article starts and Kristen's mouth ends here, guys,
but I'm going to attempt to get through some of this. Okay,
back to the article, and again this is by Hellan Lewis.
Quote we often ask parents, would you rather have a
dead son than a live daughter? This is Johanna Olsen
Kennedy of Children's Hospital Los Angeles once explained to ABC News,
variations on the phrase crop up in innumerable media articles
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and public statements by influencers, activists, and LGBTQ groups. The
same idea that the choice is transition or death appeared
in the arguments made by Elizabeth Preligar, the Biden Administration's
Solicitor General, before the Supreme Court last year Tennessee's law
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prohibiting the use of puberty blockers and cross sex hormones
to treat miners with gender dysphoria woods. She said, quote
increase the risk of suicide. But there's a huge problem
with this emotive formulation. It isn't true. When Justice Samuel
Samuel Alito challenged the ACLU lawyer Chase Strangio preends very
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interesting name close priends on such that was me on
such claims. During oral arguments, Strangio made a startling admission.
She conceded that there is no evidence to support the
idea that medical transition reduces adolescent suicide rates. At first,
Strangio dodged the question, saying that research shows that blockers
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and hormones reduce depression, anxiety, and suicidality. That is, suicidal thoughts. Now,
even that is debatable according to reviews of the research literature.
But when Aledo reference to systemic review conducted for the
CAST report in England, Strangeo conceded to the point quote,
there's no evidence in some in the studies that this
treatment reduces completed suicide, she said. And the reason for
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that is completed suicide, thankfully and admittedly is rare. And
we're talking about a very small population of individuals with
studies that don't necessarily have completed some suicides within them.
That's a roundabout statement. And here says the article was
the trans rights movement's greatest legal brain speaking in front
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of the nation's highest court, and what she was saying
was that the strongest arguments for hotly debated treatment was
in fact not supported by the evidence. I'm gonna have
to take a pause here for my commercial break. The
article gets way better, honestly, I again, this is from
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the Atlantic. I'm very very heartened by the way this
is treated and the things that were called out. It's
stuff I've been saying all along. I'm not like, yeah,
I was right, but I just want to say, for
the National Sanity Check, can we all come back, just
down to earth a little bit about this subject. Okay,
to be continued on the other side of the break.
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Hurley here, Safe and effective Radio. We are talking about
the article in the Atlantic by Helen Lewis talking about
the Scrimti v. Tennessee decision. And incidentally, there was a
gigantic article in the New York Times eleven thousand words.
I have it here. I wasn't about to really get
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into it because it's meaty, but if you wanted, you
can look that up. Obviously, this decision, which I think
was about a week and a half old now right,
rumbled through some communities and everyone's kind of coming to
terms with it. The New York Times article, just like
the Atlantic here, which is more concise treatment of the
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whole concept, went through the gamut of where are we now,
what happened? What's actually going on here? Like can we
have some sanity about this? So I'm pleased for, like
I said, some clear voices on this, and I really
want to keep going with it Atlantic article because, like
I said, it's concise, it runs the gamut through kind
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of the storyline here, and I really do appreciate the
open honesty, what's that? Okay, here we go again, and
the spirit of caring well for our next generation. This
is not this is not that we have been wool
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pulled over our eyes. The narrative about this has been
so misleading. It's not about excluding anyone. It's not about
like hatred and discrimination and all of these attributes that
have been afforded to those of us who are like,
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wait a minute, I have real reasons why I think
the whole practice of medical treatments on underage children is
disgusting and abhorrent. I of my own personal reasons about
this someday maybe we'll get into, but suffice to say,
let's get back to the Atlantic. Advocates of the open
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science movement often talk about quote zombie facts, popular soundbites
that persist in public debate even when they have been
repeatedly discredited. Many common political claims made in defense of
puberty blockers and hormones for gender dysphoric miners meet this definition.
These zombie facts have been flatly contradicted, not just by conservatives,
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but also by prominent advocates and practitioners of the treatment,
at least when they are speaking candidly. Whoops there, it
is right there. Many liberals were unaware of this, however,
because they are stuck in media bubbles which well meaning
commentators make confident assertions for youth gender medicine, claims from
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which it's elite advocates have long since retreated. Perhaps the
existence of this bubble shouldn't be surprising. Many of the
most fervent advocates of youth transition are also on record
disparaging the idea that it should be debated at all. Strangio,
who works for the country's best known free speech organization,
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the ACOLU, once tweeted that she would like to scuttle
Abigail Schreyer's book Irreversible Damage, A Skeptical treatment of Youth
gender Medicine. Strange GEO declared, quote, stopping the circulation of
this book and these ideas is one hundred percent a
hill I will die on. Whoops censorship much. Marcy Bauers,
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the former head of the World Professional Association for Transgender Health,
This is w path. I've talked about them before. The
most prominent organization for gender medicine providers has likened skepticism
and gender child gender medicine to Holocaust denial. Quote these
are not There are not two sides to this issue,
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she once said. According to a recent episode of the
Protocol in New York Times podcast, boasting about your unwillingness
unwillingness to listen to your opponents probably plays well in
some crowds, but it left strang Gio badly exposed in
front of the Supreme Court, where it became clear that
the conservative judges had read the most convincing critiques of
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hormones and blockers and had some questions as a result.
Here we go listen up, trans writes. Activists like to
accuse skeptics of youth gender medicine and publications that dare
to report their views of fomenting a quote moral panic.
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But the movement has spent the past decade telling gender
non conforming children that anyone who tries to restrict access
to puberty blockers and hormones is effectively trying to kill them.
This was false. A stranger's answer tactically conceded it was
also irresponsible. Did the Atlantic just say that? And that's
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what I'm talking about? Okay, put sidebar for Kristen here.
We're not telling anyone that we're trying to kill you
if we don't affirm your gender. How do children, excuse me,
get this idea in their heads in the first place,
that it's possible to change your gender. Someone has lied
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to them along the way. Again, there's this, Okay, I'm
gonna bring it back up, this quote from Charlie Kirk.
I'm trying to find it here. If you're eighteen and
think you're the opposite sex, you have a mental illness.
If you're eight and think you're the opposite sex, your
mother has a mental illness. So I'm sorry. Somewhere along
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the line, a child who thinks that they are the
opposite genders, sex or whatever, someone put that idea in
their head, all right, So after so I just am
applauding thank you for the Atlantic and Helen Lewis in
particular for saying this is false, trying to accuse everyone
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else in the world who's been like, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no about this saying that we're trying to kill children
by refuting their assertations that yes, children can change their gender,
and it's irresponsible. Thank you, I appreciate that. Okay. Back
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to the article. After England restricted the use of puberty
blockers in twenty twenty, the government asked an expert psychologist,
Lewis Applebee, to investigate whether the suicide rate for patients
at the country's youth gender clinic rose dramatically as a result,
and it did not. In fact, he did not find
any increase in suicides at all, despite the lurid claims
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made online. Quote. The way that this issue has been
discussed on social media has been insensitive, distressing, and dangerous,
and also goes against guidance on safe reporting of suicide.
Apple Be reported. One risk is that young people and
their families will be terrified by predictions of suicide as
inevitable without puberty blockers. When red state bans are discussed,
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says the article, you will also hear liberals say that
conservative fears about the gender the medical transition pathway are
overwrought because all children get extensive, personalized assessments before being
prescribed blockers. Or hormones. This too is untrue, admits The Atlantic.
Although the official standards of care recommend thorough assessment over
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several months, many American clinics say they will prescribe blockers
on a first visit. They say that overtly this isn't
just a matter of US health providers skimping on talk
therapy to keep costs down. Some practitioners view long evaluations
as unnecessary and even patronizing. Quote, I don't send someone
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to a therapist when I'm going to start them on insulin.
Olsen Kennedy told The Atlantic in twenty eighteen. Her published
research shows that she has referred girls as young as
thirteen for double mystectomies and what if these children later
regret the decision quote Adolescents actually have the capacity to
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make a reason logical decision, she once told an industry seminar, adding,
if you want breasts to the later point in your life,
you can go and get them. This is Johannah Olsen
Kennedy saying this. She's on record all over the place
is saying this kind of garbage, and she this is
Kristen's sidebar. Here has been at the absolute poster child
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forefront of the quote research and the standard of care
at a prominent children's hospital. How many children has she
chopped body parts off of knowing? And the wpath admitted this.
We've talked about this before. The physicians know they cannot
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get informed consent from miners or their parents. You tell
the parents, oh, well, either you do this or your
kid's going to kill themselves. No longer can you get
informed consent out of anyone when you say when a
doctor in a almost said straight jacket and a white
coat tells a parent that, and children as young as thirteen,
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claims Olton Kennedy can decide make a lifelong decision at thirteen,
chop off your breasts and oh you can always get
them later. Again, excuse me, you cannot? Ah, Okay again,
I appreciate the Atlantic for the honest treatment here. There's
more to this article I want to go through. We're
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gonna get to it, but I'm going to take my
break here at this point. So this is Mama Bear's
Radio trying to cover a very touchy subject here. But
I just absolutely again disclaimer. We cannot move forward as
a society without coming to terms in terms with certain
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basic facts and we cannot raise our kids in an
environment of like just confusion and chaos. And excuse me
for using this word misinformation, We're gonna mess them up.
We already have so many confused kids out there, so
many kids left destroyed by surgeries or permanent disfigurement internally
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and externally, medications, hormones. Excuse me, I shouldn't say medications.
We are well down this path and it is about stupid,
stink and time that we have a come to Jesus
moment about this. Nationally, I'm very grateful for the movement
again in the New York Times and The Atlantic, which
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are sort of you know, left leaning. Again, this is
not a right or left arc issue. This is a
human disaster that we all need to come to terms
with anyways. So I say this in the spirit of like,
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this is all for one and one for all kind
of a thing. This is not biased politics. Here, Okay,
Mama Bear's Radio, Kristen Hurley here, I'll be right back
Mama Bear's Radio. We'll be right back. Welcome back to
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Mama Bear's Radio. Kristin Hurley. Here, we are trunking our
way through the Atlantic. Article by Helen Lewis talking about
the Scurmetti, the Tennessee decision that came out about a
week and a half ago out of the Supreme Court.
This is a little bit of a come to Jesus
moment for The Atlantic. I'm impressed they published this. There's
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some hard truths in here, and I appreciate it. I again,
as The New York Times published a huge article kind
of wondering what went wrong with the trans movement. Finally, finally,
some honesty out of the generalized, more generalized national publications here,
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I'm going to continue with this article. Perhaps the greatest
piece of him misinformation believed by liberals. However, I can't
believe The Atlantic is saying this but okay, is that
the American standards of care in this area are strongly
evidence based. In fact, at this point, the fairest thing
to say about the evidence surrounding medical transition for adolescence,
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the so called Dutch protocol as opposed to talk therapy
and other support, is that it is weak and inconclusive.
Helen Lewis here says a further complication is that American
child gender medicine has deviated significantly from this original protocol
in terms of length, of assessments, a number of and
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demographics of minors being treated. Yes, as activists are keen
to point out, most major American medical associations support the
Dutch protocol, but consensus is not the same as evidence,
and that consensus is politically influenced. Rachel Levine, President Biden's
assistant and Secretary for Health and Human Services, successfully lobbied
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to have age minimums removed for most surgeries from the
standards of care drawn up by w PATH. That was
a deeply political decision. Levine, according to emails from excuse
me his office reviewed by The Times, believed that listing
any specific age limits under age eighteen would give opponents
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of youth transition hard targets to exploit. More recently, another
court case over banning blockers and hormones, this time in Alabama,
has revealed that w PATH members themselves had doubts about
their own guidelines. So here we go. Listen to this.
In twenty twenty two, Alabama passed the law criminalizing the
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prescription of hormones and blockers to patients under nineteen. After
the Biden administration sued to block the law. The state's
Republican Attorney general subpoena documents showing that Wpath has known
for some time that the evidence base for adolescent transition
is thin. Quote. All of us are painfully aware that
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there are many gaps in research to back up our recommendations.
Eli Coleman, the psychologist who chaired the team revising the
standards of care, wrote to his colleagues in twenty twenty three,
yet the organization did not make this clear and public.
The Alabama litigation also confirmed that Doud B. A. Path
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had commissioned systemic systematic reviews of the evidence for the
Dutch protocol. However, close to publication, the Johns Hopkins University
researcher involved was told that her findings needed to be
quote scrutinized and reviewed to ensure that publication does not
negatively affect the provision of transgender healthcare quote unquote. This
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is not how evidence based medicine is supposed to work.
You don't start with the treatment and then ensure only
studies that support that treatment are published. The Alabama disclosures
are not the only example of this reluctance to acknowledge
contrary evidence. Last year, oldsen Kennedy said that she had
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not published her own broad study on mental health outcomes
for youth with gender dysphoria because she worried about its
results being quote weaponized. That raised suspicions that she had
found only sketchy evidence to support the treatments that she
had been prescribing and publicly advocating for over many years.
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Last month, her study finally appeared as a pre pre print,
a form of scientific publication where the evidence has not
yet been peer reviewed or finalized. Its participants quote demonstrated
no significant changes in reported anxious or depressed, withdrawn or depressed,
somatic complaints, social problems, thought problems, attention problems, aggressive behavior,
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internalizing problem or externalizing problems in the two years after
starting puberty blockers. Ooh, you guys, the Atlantic is saying this.
This is straight from the Atlantic. Finally a national conversation
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about what a lot of us has been saying all
the time, and people have said, shut up and trust
the science. Hello, okay, Sorry, sidebar, christ and sidebar. Back
to the article. The reliance on elite consensus over evidence
helps make sense of w pat's flatly hostile response to
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the CAST report in England, which commissioned systemic reviews systematic
reviews sorry and recommended extreme caution over the use of
blockers and hormones. The review was a direct challenge to
w pat's ability to position itself as the final arbiter
of these treatments, something that became more obvious when the
Conservative justices referenced the British document in their questions and
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opinions in skurmedi. One of w pat's main charges against
Hillary Cass, the senior pediatrician who led the review, was
that she was not a gender specialist. In other words,
she was not part of the charmed circle who already
agreed that these treatments were beneficial. Okay, moving on here,
(31:26):
because I want to keep I want to get to
this before the end of the hour here. Advocates of
youth gender medicine have reacted furiously to articles in The
Times and elsewhere that take Cass's conclusions seriously. Indeed, some
people inside the information bubble appear to believe that if
respectable publications would stop publishing, stop writing about the story,
all the doubts and questions and Republican attempts to capitalize
(31:50):
on them electorally would simply disappear. Whenever The Times has
published a less than cheerleading article about youth transitions. Supporters
of gender medicine have accused the newspaper of manufacturing a
debate that otherwise would not exist. Who After the Skermittee decision,
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Strangio was still describing media coverage of the issue as
quote insidious, adding the New York quote. The New York
Times especially has been fixated on casting the medical care
as being of an insufficient quality. Okay, all right, a
(32:31):
little bit more before my last break? Here? Can this
misinformation bubble ever be burst? Asks the Atlantic. On the left,
support for youth transition has been rolled together with other
issues such as police reform and climate activism, as a
kind of super savor combo deal of correct opinions. The
(32:53):
thirty three year old Democratic socialist Zooron Mom Donnie has
made funding gender transition, including for minors, part of his
pitch to be New York to New York's mayor. But
complicated issues deserve to be treated individually. You can criticize Israel,
object the militarization of America's police forces, and believe that
(33:14):
climate change is real, and yet still not support irreversible,
experimental and unproven medical treatments for children a stinking men.
Thank you Helen Lewis of the Atlantic for saying this
out loud to all of America. I mean, seriously, guys, again,
(33:38):
this is not a right or left issue. It has
been co opted and used and abused and shoved down
everyone's throats until we're all that as crazy over it.
We're not a divided nation on this. Our children are
(33:58):
our absolute most prescous commodity. Forget stupid gold and oil
futures and whatever, our kids' futures, and we are wrecking
them with fighting over this insanity. All right, anyways, I'm
going to take my last break here. I will finish
up the last little bits of this article, which, again,
(34:19):
like I said, put it so succinctly, I can't believe
that this is it published in the Atlantic. We are
having come to Jesus moments about these topics at the
Supreme Court, and I'm not even getting to the mood
versus Taylor. I will talk about that maybe next week.
Major major ramifications for people that want to usurp your
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children and take your parental rights away from you, your
decision to conduct your families and your children in the
way that you see fit. I'm really glad for a
national reckoning on this because our children will benefit, not
because I'm like, yes, somebody got the better of somebody else. No,
we are we the people. We are we the parents,
(35:08):
and I care only about the future of this country
for my children and for yours. All right, everybody, This
is Mama Bear's Radio, Kristen Hurley Here. I'll be right back,
Mama Bear's Radio. We'll be right back.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
They say, tells you lied you away. I'm write the
streets someday.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Pace. Welcome back to Mama Bear's Radio. Kristin Hurley Here,
my last little segment of the day. Here, stay tuned
for School's out drivetime show after this, and then surf
Skates City at six o'clock. Isaiah Guzmann is subbing in
for Henry Michelle today. I want to get back to
(36:31):
this Atlantic article, finish it up just a bit again.
I scratched the surface of a bunch of other stuff
I wanted to talk about today. I guess I should
be on every day of the week. I really I
might not be able to handle that. I get nothing
else done, but at any rate, stick with me a
little bit longer. Here again, This is Helen Lewis again,
(36:55):
this is for our kids future, a little bit of
sanity check for the nation. I really appreciate the Atlantic
having an honest treaties of this subject. This is the
Skurmety v. Tennessee decision coming out of Supreme Court this week.
So Helen says in the article, I've always argued against
straightforward bands on medical transition for adolescents. In practice, the
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way these have been enacted in Red States has been
uncarrying and punitive. Parents are threatened with child abuse and
investigations for pursuing treatments that medical professionals have assured them
are safe. She's being honest here. Stick with me, guys.
Children with severe mental health troubles suddenly lose therapeutic support.
Clinics nationwide, including Olsen Kennedy's, are now abruptly closing because
(37:42):
of the political atmosphere. Writing about the subject in twenty
twenty three, how says Helen Lewis, I argued that the
only way out of the culture war was for the
American Medical associations to commission reviews and carefully consider the evidence. However,
she says, the relevations from Scurmetti and the Alabama case
(38:03):
have made me more sympathetic to commentators such as Leor
Sapir of the Conservative Manhattan Institute, who supports the bands
because American medicine cannot be trusted to police itself. Quote,
are these bands the perfect solution? Probably not, he told
(38:25):
me in twenty twenty three. But at the end of
the day, if it's between banning gender firming care and
leaving it unregulated, I think we can minimize the amount
of harm by banning it. And Helen Lewis goes on
to say, once you know that w Path wanted to
publish a review only if it came to the group's
preferred conclusion, Sapir's case becomes more compelling. Okay, side Kristin Hurley,
(38:51):
sidebar here. I love. I love the progression of thought
of Like you think one thing, other facts come to light.
You start to ask some questions and view things from
a different angle. Can the medical industry regulate itself with
(39:17):
dollar signs are involved? Give you one good guess on that.
And we're seeing that over and over again with a
bunch of different topics. Obviously, the last X number of
weeks I've talked about big pharma under the umbrella of
like mental illness world. I appreciate someone and this includes myself.
(39:37):
I suppose I used to think one thing. You mature
and grow and think outside your immediate box and you
see things in a different light. So Helen Lewis, I think,
is probably not alone in all of this. I hope
she's not here. We go. She's going to continue in
the article. Despite the concerted efforts to suppress the evidence. However,
(39:58):
the picture on youth gender medicine has been come clearer
over the past decade. It's no humiliation to update our
beliefs as a result. I regularly used to write that
medical transition was life saving before I saw how limited
the evidence on suicide was. And it took another court
case brought by the British detransitioner Kirabelle for me to
(40:20):
fully realize that puberty blockers were not what they were
sold as a quote safe and reversible treatment that gave
patients quote time to think, but instead a one way
ticket to full transition with physical changes that cannot be undone,
says Helen Lewis of The Atlantic. She says for everyone else, however,
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the choice is still open. We can support civil rights
protections for transgender people without having to endorse an experimental
and unproven set of medical treatments, or having to repeat
emotionally manipulative and now discredited claims about suicide. She says,
I am not I'm a fan of the American way
of settling political disputes by kicking them over to an
escalating series of judges. But in the case of youth
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general medicine, the legal system has provided clarity and disclosure
that might otherwise not exist. Thanks to the Supreme Courts,
oral questioning and Scrimmetti and the discovery process in Alabama,
we now have a clearer picture. Ho, excuse me, I
just my hat is off. My hat is off. Let's
(41:34):
let the evidence come to light, and let's help everyone
think a little bit more clearly about things. And it's
the sacrifice of our kids that's the problem. It's not
the problem that the whole argument here is consenting adults.
Great Now, I would argue you're not a consultant consenting
(41:54):
adults until maybe twenty five. We should change the time
limit on that. But to have let and this is
what really gets my goat. Let our little arguments, as
the adults in the room here of this country, the
people run in the country here, self governing, and the
whole messy lot of us having a debate over something.
(42:18):
Somebody's got some idea, I've got other ideas. We all
have a plethora of ideas, right and wrong and necessary
and not necessary, and the whole gammut. Fine, have it
out amongst ourselves. But when you start causing harm, and
this is real physical and chemical harm to our children,
(42:45):
mental harm. They are the casualties of this war. Fine,
we can all disagree, We're supposed to, supposed to have
dissent and discussion and hammer out, hammered out after a
long time of debate. Great love it, But to sacrifice
(43:10):
our kids on the altar of I'm right in a
in the most sick and disgusting way possible, the chopping
off of breasts and the chopping off of body parts,
irreversible chemical castration because a few people have a head
(43:33):
trip and then the group think, does the rest of
is the rest of the hammer on this? And you
want to go along to get along, and like, oh,
I don't want to be fired for my job, so
I'm just going to grin and agree. Oh fine, if
we're talking adults have at it, go nuts, chop your
stuff off. I don't recommend it, but to do it
(43:57):
to like I said, our nation's most pressure commodity. Our
future is sick and disgusting and cannot be tolerated. And
I'm really glad at least Helen Lewis of the Atlantic
has come around the bend on this one. It's okay
(44:20):
to have thought one thing and then you grow and
you learn. We're meant to grow. God wants us to
grow and grow our understanding and evolve and become better
and higher versions of ourselves. Think more clearly, learn and change.
(44:41):
I'm one hundred percent convinced that that's the most beautiful
process of all. But at the expense of our children
is disgusting and depraved. And so again I'm grateful for
the national roundabout on this. I will continue to fight
to protect our kids. Again. This is Mama Bear's radio.
(45:04):
What am I out here for? This is not right
and left, This is not politics. This is protection of
our future, guardians of our national treasure, our kids, for
my kids and for yours, And this is something we
all agree on. I'm utterly convinced. All right, guys, well,
(45:26):
in that spirit of groupthink, on my end. I'm gonna
end this hour. I will be back on in a
few minutes for School's Out drivetime show, hopefully a little
bit lighter fair for some entertaining commute time. And then
what else is up? We got a full week of
amazing shows here on AM thirteen forty koy home of
(45:48):
Schoolhouse Radio, so stay tuned for that, and I'm going
to end on that note. This has been Mama Bear's Radio,
Kristin Hurley, Safe and Effective Radio. I will be back
so many different incarnations the rest of the week, and
I'll be back next week for Mama Bears Radio. So
there's in a jungle of bases.
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