MCU Getting A "Reset" After Secret Wars Per Kevin Feige : Marvel Alliance Vol. 268

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Speaker 1 (00:12):
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
I'm the nerd with the Mount David Alliance a Symbol
volume two hundred and sixty eight.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
And we are now one week well yeah, almost basically, yeah,
one week removed from the release of Fantastic four First Steps.
So you know there there was news that dropped last
week that, you know, mister Figi decided to go on
the record of stuff. So we're gonna break all that down.
And why do I mean all of it. We're gonna
go over pretty much all of it at that point

(00:56):
because when you give interviews and you start giving separate interviews,
you talk about different things, and so there are some
interesting things to go over. And then they drop more
news and a trailer and some other things, and we
got box office. So buckle up, Marvel Alliance listers. This
is gonna there's probably a little bit of a long
one tonight. But David and I will keep you entertained,

(01:17):
keep you in the know, and give you our opinions
on the lovely givings that mister Figgi dropped on us. So,
mister David, how are you tonight?

Speaker 2 (01:28):
I am doing well. It has been a long week.
I'm not wearing my shoulder brace, but I am.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Still I'm not wearing it. I would say pants.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
This is a glass desk, so no, but I'm not
wearing my shoulder brace. But I'm still in recovery and
waiting to hear on surgery. But don't worry, dear viewers
and listeners. As long as they don't schedule surgery on
a Thursday at five o'clock, I will still be here.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yeah, we got a fifth of Jack and already and
the chatt he said, I've caught up with your FF
content and amazing. I agree with what you guys are
saying amazing or fantastic. I agree with what you guys
are saying about the latest intiment of FF, except on
between seven point five and eight. For the movie that's
respectable and I need to watch it one more time
to slid upon my rating. But that has to wait

(02:19):
until it comes from streaming. Well, same here, same here.
David's ahead of both of us. He's got at least
two viewings in.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, my official ratings never come until after my second
viewing because my first one there is a little bit
of recency bias, and the second one I have a
little bit more time to dissect and be like, oh
I didn't notice that thing that makes that scene just
that much more incredible.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah. So but yeah, the week for me, it's the
week before literally, well technically staff can't can't come back tomorrow,
but it's an on cap work day, so some we'll
be back. So we'll take that that three day weekend
in and then next week staff comes back. We got
open house, so it's gonna be uh, you know, it's
gonna be a very busy week. Next time you probably
talk to me, it's gonna be very time. I'm gonna

(03:01):
be pretty tired. So yeah, but yeah, there's going to
be some interesting stuff yet, Pulio, we're gonna definitely talk
about that in the not the main segment, but in
the news segment, So stay tuned for that. In regards
to the X Men casting, so yeah, good week so far,
wife and kids are back and I know if you do,
if you're not on the viewership, not a watch on YouTube,

(03:24):
I'll have to describe there, or David will describe this.
But I got something that I was not prepared to
receive because I ordered a few of these because of
the show, and the others should be coming in September
and October. But this one, interesting enough, came out this
week from Entertainment Entertainment Earth.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
All of that is an amazing fun code. And now
I understand your choice of shirt tonight.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yes, what I'm holding up is the Entertainment Earth exclusive
funko of Matt Murdoch holding out of costume but holding
up the to a helmet in costume at that point.
But I don't know if it's still available on Entertainment Earth.
But I had pre ordered that. I didn't realize until
I got a random shipping from them noticed this week
and I was like, oh, okay, but I have the

(04:13):
normal Daredevil and Frank Castle sometime from Amazon will be
coming in September of October.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
So yeah, my ones from Amazon keep a fluctuating as well.
I'm looking right down to see let's see they say
now arriving October sixth, so Yep.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
That's the same for me. But that was a nice
surprise to get that. But it is Daredevil, it is.
It was very glorious. But those are out of costume.
Then I got the in costume that I got Frank,
So I mean, all is well, you know, but but yeah,
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So with everything, you know, mister Figee had decided to

(08:12):
do interview at the beginning of last week or at
least the article started coming out in anticipation not only
the Fantastic four, but also since Marvel Studios was not
doing a hall Ah panel. You know, he does this
pretty frequently, even when they're doing a hall Ah panel
where you know they're not gonna be able to talk
about everything. So you know, this is quite standard for him.

(08:34):
But man, he he let a lot of stuff go
into including kind of eating some crow and you know,
getting in front of the stuff that you know, for
the most part, you know, we've been kind of clamoring
for some answers about.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yeah, he he came out the gate and said, gag
orders are only for Tom Holland, and I'm telling everything.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yep, exactly, not necessarily everything, but yeah, he got he
got a little real upoint. So so yeah, so we're
gonna break this down a lot. I'll kinda cover this
the first one. We're gonna be looking at the Hollywood Reporter,
then going into Variety and Deadline a lot of I
went through all these for you the people so you
don't have to read them, and kind of broke down

(09:16):
Hollywood Reporters kind of their biggest stuff. The rest of them,
I look through and see if there was anything different
that they asked or got information for. So this is
gonna be kind of our main segment of night. It's
gonna be a little bit long, but we're gonna kind
of talk about what mister Figgy gave. You have our
kind of thoughts on this. Some things will be a
little bit long to talk about. Other things will be

(09:36):
pretty quick. But we figured this is something that there
and we've got detail here. Not Northcina, go Clemson. Well
you know, we we we all have to make choices
and nice some are the right ones, some are the
wrong ones. I'll let you decide where you're at choice.

(09:57):
Good to see there's someone on a different on gua
channel that will agree with your Clemson one.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
But not here.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Not here, yeah, not here. So anyways, so starting off
with the hob Reporter, they start off as saying, yes,
Figy New knows Marvel made too many movies and shows
and other things they did wrong.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
You know.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
They said that for the First Iron Man two thousand
and eight to Endgame, Marvel produced around fifty hours of storytelling.
In six years. Since Endgame, that number jumped to an
astounding one hundred and two hours of movies and television
one hundred and twenty seven if you include animation. He
said that is too much. He characterized the time apperiod
after Endgame as an era of experimentation, evolution, and unfortunately expansion.

(10:41):
While he's proud of some of the experimentation he points
to WandaVision and Loki as the standouts, he admits it's
an expansion that is certainly what devalued that output. Being
high on success may have pushed Marvel to readily agree
to try to deliver as more programming, but as He said,
it was a big company push and it doesn't take

(11:01):
too much to pushes to go. People have been people
have been asking for Miss Marvel for years, and now
we can do it. Do it? Oscar Isaac wants to
be moon Night, do it, recalled FIGI. So there was
a mandate that we put in that we were put
in the middle of, and we also thought it'd be
fun to bring these to life. Marvel has always started
pulling back out the amount of movies and shows to make.

(11:24):
Some years he said they may only have one movie.
Certainly there will be years with only one TV show. Also,
Marveo has started grinding down on budgets, with movies costing
up to a third cheaper than the films from twenty
twenty two to twenty twenty three. So you know, this
is nothing new that you know. Figus has gone on
the record of this, but in fact, just hearing I'm

(11:46):
basically saying yep and kind of calling out is calling
out the previous people who were under and namely Bob
Chapek and some of the other ones that kind of
made this push. And I think he's right in the
sense of I do applaud them going as he terms
it experimental or taking some chances on things. But I know, David,
I think there are a few ones that were like,

(12:09):
might have needed to rest on that, or might have
to let that cook and cook a little bit. What
do you think?

Speaker 3 (12:14):
I definitely agree.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
I do appreciate that he gave love to Wanda Vision Loki,
which are two phenomenal series. But yeah, he does admit
that there were times where they were just like, if
we can do it, let's do it. If someone comes
up and says, hey, I wanted to make this, they
were green lighting left and right, and you know, on
the grand scheme of things, that takes away from the
time that other projects have to cook and to be

(12:39):
in the zeitgeist of everyone else. That takes away from
actors' abilities to be in other things. We may have
somebody who was in something and they could have been
a better fit for something else, but we're just green
lighting left and right and grabbing actors up left and right.
It does kind of muddy the water a little bit.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
So I can respect what he's saying.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
I appreciate the fact that they were willing to take
these chances and take these risks on these shows. But yeah,
in retrospect the vast expansion and how far they expanded
so far, so soon. It did hurt them in the
long run in and it created that feeling of Marvel burnout.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah, and you go into another kind of hot button topic.
Here's why Thunderbolts failed, even though it's a very very
good movie. The massive expansion television and focus on Disney
Plus led to the feeling that watching Marvel had become
a type of homework. Fig you said, it's that expansion
that I think led to people say, do I have
to see all these? It used to be fun, but

(13:37):
now I have to know everything about all of these.
And I think the Marvels hit it the hardest where
people were like, Okay, I recognized her from a billion
dollar movie, but who are those other two? I guess
they were on some TV show. I'll skip it. And
this had the same effect on Thunderbolts Asterisk, which featured
characters that were mainly seen on different platforms, including some

(13:58):
only appearing on shows before hitting the big screen. Kevin
Faige said some of them were still feeling the residual
effects of the notion of I guess I have to
have seen these other shows in order to understand who
this is. I think if you actually saw the movie,
that wouldn't be the case, and we make the movie
so that that it's not the case. But I think
we still have to make sure the audience understands that.

(14:20):
And that's something that we kind of talked about that,
you know, we both really enjoyed Thunderbolts, you know, for
all three of these movies this year that you know,
for Fantastic Four, First Steps and Thunderbolts kind of rank
at the top in Captain America kind of, I would say,
to be fair to both of us, probably is our
third one from MCU this year. But it doesn't make

(14:42):
it a bad movie. But when you have the quality
of what Thunderbolts was, it's a great character study. But
if you didn't you know, outside of the Black Widow characters,
if you didn't see some of the others at that point,
don't really have a full understanding. And why would you
want to see a movie that you really don't have
some sor to connection two.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah, I definitely agree Thunderbolts. To me, it was an
amazing movie, and I love the theme. I love some
of the stories that it's told within there. But I
do know that as I talk to people about it,
having to say, well, in order to get this part,
you need to know this from this character, or they
came from this, or they came from that, which, in turn,

(15:23):
this past week when trying to sell people in going
and seeing Fantastic four, the only thing I really had
to say is no homework required, and that has been
the lunchpin for people to go, Okay, I can go
see it. I don't have to watch ten things. I
don't have to run down Disney Plus and figure out
which order awesome. So I can definitely see where that
would hurt a general audience who hasn't seen a lot

(15:45):
of these things, who maybe skipped over Black Widow or
skipped over Falcon in the Winter Soldiers, skipped over ant
Man two, and don't have the ties to these certain characters.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yep, as Julia said, he said, Thunderbolts are a group
of seless characters that was hard to market on. Yeah,
even with the pivot towards what it said, like a
new Avengers, you know, I was it was a cool idea,
but even I was like, that's I don't think that's
gonna play the way you wanted to, And it didn't.
And but again, you know, it doesn't take away that

(16:19):
it's a good movie, that it wasn't a good movie,
but it's just a connection too. So but they go
on to talk about how long fig he's got. He
does admit he does have about two years left, two
years or less on his current contract with you know,
technically Disney, the Disney Company under Marvel Studios, And he says,
do I want to be making big movies for big
audiences in ten or fifteen years from now? Yes, absolutely,

(16:42):
that's all I want to do. Marvel's a great way
to do that for me right now. But I hope
to make big movies for lots of people forever. More So, again,
it sounds like he's not looking to leave Marvel, but
it doesn't seem like he wants to basically just be Marvel.
If he if he has an option, but right now,
you know, it's two years on his contract. I still
think there's going to be a small extension where he's

(17:04):
gonna I think he wants to shuttle in and bring
in the X Men under the MC before he starts
looking for an exit strategy.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Oh that he's definitely going to get an extension they're
going to take him through Doomsday and Secret Wars. Those
movies have been getting pushedback and getting altered, so we're
at least carrying through there. And you know that he
wants to be the one. He's put in all this work.
He wants to be the one who ushers in the
X Men, because that is.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
Going to be a big deal.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
And I mean, if you've done all the work for that,
you've laid all this groundwork, then absolutely.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
M So he also addresses Jonathan Majors for the first time,
but without talking about Jonathan Majors, so he refers to
him in this quote as the King actor. He said,
we had started even before what had happened to the act,
what happened to the actor. We had started to realize
that Kang wasn't going to be big enough, and he

(18:01):
wasn't Thanos, and that there were only there was only
one character that could be that because he was in
the comics for decades and decades at Fikey, because of
the Fox Hat composition. We finally had it and it
was Doctor Doom. So we had started talking about Doctor
Doom even before we officially pivoted from Kang, and in fact,
I had started talking with Robert Downey Junior about his

(18:22):
this audacious idea before and three even came out. It
was a long plan that we had to take one
of the greatest characters and utilize one of our greatest actors.
All Right, this is where you and I are probably
gonna have spent a little time on because I'm not
saying they probably didn't have discussions with Robert Downey Junior

(18:43):
about the idea Doom. But I'm gonna call Shenanigans on
this that they the fact that they were already talking
about making Doom the bigger, the bigger, bad than Kang
before it came out. After the positive nature of what
Kang was in the He Who Shop, the He He

(19:05):
Who Remains and Loki had such a big hit, and
actually outside of the end of Kang King was actually
Jonathan Majors was actually praised on like being a glowing
moment of ant Man three. I just Doom might have
been an idea that they were toying with of being
part of Secret Wars, but I mean, for kind of

(19:27):
loud again, they named Avengers the King Dynasty. So please
don't tell me that you didn't have you you went
all in for King too quick, and then unfortunately, when
what happened to Jonathan Matrix started leaking to the press
and the court things and everything like that. Yeah, I
get it, I would have. I think there's some truth

(19:49):
in this, but I really kind of said, oh, come on,
Kevin Fikey, please just just admit that you had to
make a pivot, and this is what happened. It wasn't
necessarily maybe when you wanted to introduce doctor Doom. You know,
you may have wanted to do it a little bit
further down the line and lead up to Secret Wars,
but this kind of pushed your hand in that you

(20:11):
had to make some changes. I would have respected that.
This one, I just it just doesn't ring true to me.
I don't know what do you feel?

Speaker 3 (20:18):
Yeah, I don't believe it.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
And as a wrestling fan, this reminds me of controlling
the narrative. You know, plan change and things like that.
But plans change, and now you're trying to take it
as some off the wall comment someone probably made in
a writer's room, like, hey, what if we had Robert
Downey Junior come back as Doom? You're now taking that

(20:40):
one little throwaway comment and saying, oh, it was always
our plan. It was mentioned back before Man three, like
no one was serious. You had your direction. Life happened,
the world happened, some atrocious things happened. You had to shift,
and you shifted and just cop to it. Hey, we

(21:01):
had to make a shift. We turned to one of
our most reliable, a great actor of our generation. We
turned to a lynchpin of what we had done, and
we made a decision going from there. Cool. I can
see that, and I go, yeah, it makes sense you
want to in this thing as you started it. I

(21:22):
can completely see that. But to act like this has
been some grandiose plan all along, when everything has been
built around King like you parade it and you had
these huge display boards that said what your plan was
for the future.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
We remember that.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
Yeah, So again not necessarily shining moment out of there.
That was kind of a in my opinion, a whiff
with this. But it was just like, oh, come on,
I just nah, sorry, sure, Jan, I'm not buying that totally.
You know, even in the chat, Julio saying I always
thought that Doom was always part of the plan because
the secrets. Yeah, I think we're both like doom could

(22:02):
have been part of it, but they they're not getting
to do it on there when I don't think one
MC fan actually believes that, uh, you know, like with everything,
there's uh you know. But even Julio jumps in and
says Figgy shouldn't shouldn't have approved the post credits scene
in ant Man if he was unsure about King, That's
what I'm saying, like if if that was again when,

(22:24):
but when you name the next Avenders the King Dynasty,
don't tell us that you weren't necessarily going to be
all in. Even if at the end of that movie,
doctor Doom comes in and defeats King. Still you were
all in on King at some point.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Again, you you had it displayed on your wall of
this is what we're doing. You had every markup of
this is the direction that we're going. So that was
your direction, and again, life happens, things had to change.
You had to make a very understand intable pivot. It's

(23:01):
not like a movie failed or you were coming out
of the fallout of maybe the Marvel's not doing so good,
so you decided to pivot. And then when this was
always the plan, No, something really big happened and you
guys had to make a pivot, and it was an
understandable one.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
So let's not try and run this back as if
you had this deep.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Seated Oh you didn't notice that we had late this
groundworky years ago.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
That's not the case.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yeah, So all right, continuing on, don't expect a live
action Miles Morales anytime soon, thanks a lot Sony. When
asked where Marvel is in development of a lot of
action version of the character, yeah, he said. Sony has
their brilliant, genius, incredible Spider Verse animated franchise going, and
until that finishes, we've been told to stay away. That

(23:50):
is currently nowhere, and I get it. I mean, we
both love have loved the two movies from the Spider
Verse animated movie. That's probably the biggest bright spot that
Sony has done with these characters recently, and it's unfortunate.
But what I will take from that is that they
want to bring him in once this is done. There

(24:13):
is more conversation to the table. So I'm not gonna
be totally disappointed.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
If we never get a Miles Morales. It will be sad,
but it won't be a great affront to comic book movies.
They have taken this character, they have translated it to film.
They have translated it to amazing films, Amazing films that
still hold up to this day. You can go watch

(24:46):
the first Spider Verse movie and it still holds up.
It's great animation, great storytelling. And if that's what we
get out of it, then as a fan of this character,
yes I will be disappointed, but I won't angry. I
won't never say you never gave me this, like you
gave us some amazing storytelling. And if instead of them

(25:10):
shoehorning Miles in, Sony just focuses on continuing to make
great Miles Miles stories. I'm okay with that. That means
that they get to make good stories. But if you're
gonna live action him and then it's gonna be run
by the same Madam Webb and Morbus Studios, then I
don't want it.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
Yeah, so I think we're gonna get Miles in the MCU.
It's just we just got to wait a little bit longer.
Blade being sharpened again and again and again.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
The obstacle was Ryan koug was. Ryan Krueger called and said,
we'd love some costumes for Sinners. And we said take
the man, he's a good friend, takes our costumes. We'll
hold off on the movie, said Feigy, And he says,
of course joking aside, connecting Sinners to a version of
Blade that was recently being developed. Was one of this
that was one set in the Prohibition era, just like

(25:59):
koogle original hit hit earlier this year. If I can confirmed,
there has been four takes on Blade that have been
developed over the recent times to two that were period
two that were not. Marvel has now quote unquote landed
on the modern day, and yes Marhashala Ali is still attached.

(26:19):
He didn't reveal a timeline for Blade, but did say
that he and Coogler have a timeline for Black Panther three.
So interesting two things. So Blade is still a thing there,
it's going to be modern day, and that Black Panther
three is also on the timeline to happen as well.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
I will believe Blade when I see that a trailer
has dropped on Marvel's official YouTube channel. Until then, I
take no saus in that.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
Now.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
When I watched Sinners to that, I did think to myself,
some of this would be cool for a Blade's story. Absolutely,
if they could have gotten there first. That would have
been awesome, But at this point I'm I'm not putting
my faith in the Blade movies happening. I am with
Wesley Snipes. There's only ever been one Blade, There only

(27:19):
ever will be yep.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Tonal malleability is a key to marvel success. Yes, there
will still be more R rated stories coming, so Dead Pelm, Wolverine,
as well as Daredevil TV. The Daredevil TV show have
shown that Marvel is becoming more and more comfortable with
pushing stories that are adult oriented, but It's characters can
also appear in age appropriate settings when needed. It's all

(27:43):
way to keep audiences interested and invested. That is how
Foggy pointed out. You can have the Green Goblin build
a Snowman and Disney Plus's Spider Man and his Amazing Friends,
but then kill all May and Spider Man in no
way home true. That that's or I like this that
punish your punishers. Another example, the Violent Vigilante played by

(28:04):
John Burnhal is the subject of a special that just
began shooting last week and will aaron Disney Plus next year.
It is intended to be TVMA, but when the punisher
is inspired in a Spider Man movie, it'll be a
different tonality, said Figi, confirming that the character is in
the next Spider Man movie, which we also talked about
the show. I don't disagree with that. It's just interesting,

(28:26):
you know. I I trust Marvel, I do I trust
Kevin Feigy, I trust the writers and again would the
way Burnhal has been very protective of the character, I
would be very hard pressed to say he's disagreed to
something for a paycheck because of how much he first
time said no when he was first approched to do

(28:47):
the Daredevil show, when it was in its curt and
when it was in its original iteration, but then came
back later when it met his expectations. So the tonal
shift that Ar's going to be involved with Punisher in
the new Spider Man movie had to have met at
least some of his expectations that he could make this
shift and still be comfortable.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Yeah. Absolutely, he does.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
The mention of the duality of the Green Goblins, I
think that is different from the way that Punisher is
gonna be played. I think that the version that we're
going to get in Spider Man will still be very
close to John Brenthal's Punisher. Yes, you're not going to
hear the F word in the Spider Man movie. You
may not see the blood splatter like you have seen

(29:34):
in the Netflix and Disney Plus shows. There will be
some cutaways, you know, the assume deaths and things like that.
Someone will get shot but not killed, but it will
still be the true punisher. So and I think that
John Brenthal and Marvel as a whole, they can make

(29:55):
that work. They know how to make that work without
devaluing the character. So, while I get what he's talking
about about ton of moulability, the comparing the versions of
Green Goblin from Spidey and his Amazing Friends to No
Way Home and then the punished shirt, just that's in
Apples and Oranges comparison.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
I just kill again. I just killed a whole bunch
of people in the room. You're watching Disney Plus and
Spider Man is Amazing Friends. Yeah, Soli, we do trust
John Burnhal and his choices in this. So and the
final part of concluding the Hollywood Reporter side of this interview,
he's still Kevin Faige still likes the flexibility of going

(30:36):
into production without a set script. Now there's some there's
some caveats with this. It's a very click baity kind
of headline, so let's dig into it. The Marvel method
of movie making has included ever evolving scripts and heavy
lifting in post production, striking a contrarian position. Gun James Gunn,
after working at Marvel, has publicly stated that his DC

(30:57):
Studios won't begin a production a project without a locked
script and a definite ending. Kevin Feige pushes back on this, said,
we have never started a movie without a full script,
and I have never been satisfied with the script that
we've had, So that them putting that things like of
going into production without script, that's that was bad form
on the Hollywood Reporter's parts. So they have gone into

(31:18):
production with a full script. He just as he's saying,
like he wants, he likes having the flexibility to change
as needed.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
He said.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
There's a plusing that happens every day on the Avengers
Doomsday set right now. It's amazing to watch because those filmmakers,
those actors, both the ones that are playing these characters
for the first time or second time and the one
playing in for the tenth or twelfth time, are the
best in the world at it and know that these
characters so well. So if they have an idea and
you want to listen to it and you want to

(31:47):
adjust it to improve it, I wouldn't want to change that. Now,
I did say this, this was interesting. Stephen mcpheey is
writing the script, but Figy revealed that Loki creator Michael
Waldron is also helping. That's interesting because we thought kind
of Michael Waldron has been shuttled off.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
You know.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yeah, and if you're really going for universe building, then
I'm all ford, bring those ties in and go from there.
And reading this about the not going in with the
set script versus I have a sepscript. But you know,
we're open to ideas. I think with most films you

(32:28):
need to be open to ideas. It reminds me of
stage acting, where sometimes you have that flexibility and they're like,
all right, you can riff a little bit as long
as you hit your cues and hit your marks. And
I think it's the same way with this stuff. You know,
you someone may be on set and they're like, hey,
I'm not feeling this where I feel like my character
would say this. You take some time, you go, yep,

(32:49):
let's readjust it. Does it change the entire outcome of
the movie, or do we just need to change this
sentence and then that changes this following scene. All right,
here's the rewrites we'll call today. That happens all the
time in TV and movies, So that makes sense. You've
got your set pieces, you've got your moments that you're
working towards.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
But if something just doesn't.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Feel right or the actors just aren't delivering it, I'd
rather have them go back and rewrite a couple of
pages than for us to hear that someone doesn't like.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
Sand and Julio in the chat saying iron Man didn't
have a full script. That's correct. Iron the first time
I did not have a fully finished script when filming,
so they relied heavily on improvisation and rewrites during the
production while there was an initial script and underwent significant changes,
with the actors also improvising lines. So you know, I

(33:40):
also think in the sense of when he says a
full script, a finished script, I think they have a script.
It's just you know, it's not picture. It's not a
script locked at that point. So yeah, I'm okay with it.
I think to the extent of, especially on a movie
like Doomsday in Secret Wars. I think it gets you know,
some people very kind of worried and concerned in the

(34:03):
sense of it seems like they're especially with the ro
the scuper maddest things like that, they like kind of
stirring up the fan base and saying, oh there's more
rewrites and rewrites and rewrites, and that you get quotes
from like Rebecca Remain talking about certain things like people
read into too much.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
But again.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
They I do not think that they do not understand,
they are unaware of what's on the line with both
the Avengers and Avengers Doomsday and Avengers Secret Wars. There's
a lot writing out, there's a lot of pressure on
this to do to and to land this very shaky
flight that we've been on in the multi verse saga.

(34:43):
So if however, I will say this though, if both
of these with and with badly, and it's gonna come
down to falling back on the script and what was done, Yeah,
I could basically see saying we we couldn't get to
Avengers move right and wentever the process, some changes are
going to be happening.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
Yeah, So uh.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
So we're gonna head into let's see what we're looking at.
Let's take our first ad break before we get into
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(35:27):
So we are back in and I'm gonna go get
step away real quick. David, why don't you take this?
So these next, this, next one, these next two parts
are coming from the deadline piece. So David, I'll be
right back. Why don't you take it away?

Speaker 3 (35:42):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (35:43):
According to Deadline, we are in our experimentation phases, the
experimentation and evolution of I'm proud of and Whatn't change,
says Figy, who counts One Vision Lokia as major wins
for the MCU and Disney. Plus, it's the expansion that
certainly what devalued this to you, and its content still

(36:05):
is worth the gamble given the bottomless well, we always
had more characters that people are asking us about than
we could possibly make he has coming out of Avengures
end game. The plan was what do you do with
this success, so much of our storytelling has been built
for that finale on Endgame that we thinking about the

(36:29):
future was purely about well, what do we do with
this success? Now do we do more of the same.
I guess we had sequels lined up. If you take
success and don't experiment with it, you don't risk with it,
It's not worth it. That's why E Turnles was first up,
Let's take something that nobody knows and has these giant
celestial mythical creatures and work with the filmmaker like Chloe

(36:53):
Jau who's set around pitching us history of humanity. So
with this, I get that you had your big box
office success, you had your what people felt was his
magnum opus, his crowning achievement, and you've got some time
to play around. It reminds me of how a lot

(37:15):
of actors will say, well, I made this movie so
that I could make this movie, and you had the
great success, you felt like you had a little bit
of leeway to work with, So now you just started
throwing other things to the wall to see what's stuck.
And some of it was things that people were loudly

(37:35):
clamoring for. Some of it was things that a small
sect set that they wanted, but you guys decided to
rock with anyway and turn into a big budget film.
So I understand the thought process of riding that wave
and experimenting, but it did get to a point where, yeah,
we were throwing everything at the wall and in their

(37:56):
mind everything stuck, so let's make it.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Yeah, And it kind of goes into something that I
said earlier, in the sense of experimentation is good. That's
I really think there's a lot of bright spots in
Phase four with things like WandaVision Loki. You know, experimentation
is fine because I like the idea of, like, we
just had a major thing happen in an endgame in
Infinity War that just to say like, oh, let's just

(38:20):
move on, you know that that didn't seem right in
the idea of like some serious post traumatic stress and
looking out how do you deal with loss was a
big part of this. But they're I think they also
learned some some good, hopefully some good lessons on where
to take certain risks and where to kind of say,

(38:41):
like let's try to you know, maybe instead of giving
a whole group of people who no one has ever
heard of a whole movie. Maybe try to sprinkle them
in in some other areas and kind of do some
test runs and see like who what's connected and what's not.
But again, you learn. You don't learn from your successes,
you learn from your mistakes. So they've they've had enough
of these in the MCU where hopefully they're making some

(39:03):
changes and we can see some ways, say how so
I want to check the AI thing too while you're
at it.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
All right, so AI and testing movies. The studio boss
also questioned whether artificial intelligence was the answer to keeping
VFX dazzled up and cause down. His response, is AI
going to do that? I don't know, that, says Figgy. Yeah,
I'm going to say that. I hope that for a

(39:35):
while they stay away from leaning on AI. It is
a great and powerful tool, but also you have brought
success upon yourselves not using it. Don't go to that
well just yet, you're you're not that desperate.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Yeah, there's a great video Ben Affleck talking about AI
and what it can do it can't do, And it's
one of those where I don't think the MZU is
going to be necessarily something that they're not going to
use AI. In fact, they've been kind of, you know,

(40:14):
called out on certain things, but at the end of
the day, it's you want to make sure that you're
using it ethically, and I think they're still there. We're
still early on in this age of how do you
ethically use something that could basically be scraping ideas intellectual
property art from people without necessary giving credit. And it's

(40:37):
very hard right now to kind of make sure that
doesn't happen. So they say you're going to tread lightly
on something like that. Richard and the chat saying I
think Phase four should have had Secret Invasion as Avengers
level movie. I agree with you on that that puts
Sam Wilson's Avengers team together, but there were so many
ways I think they should have gone after any game.

(41:00):
Oh yeah, there's definitely certain things I mean should have
what it could have. But the good thing about Marvel
is there are plenty of stories ahead where they can
you know, sometimes course correct.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
See, we go on with the testing of movies. Marvel
has long held friends and family test screenings on the
Burbank Disney lot. Given the nc used string of bombs,
it looked under the hood to see whether the sausage
making process was still intact, so Marvel began testing its
movies through the National Research Group recruited screenings. At the

(41:33):
end of the day, per Figy, both the Marvel and
Energy screenings yielded similar results. The studio has long believed
in family and friends screenings in order to keep the
content of their pick secret.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
That's interesting to know in the sense of, you know,
how they've been doing test screenings and things like that.
So I mean test screenings are test greenings, you know.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Yeah, And again for some people, it depends on the
pool of people you get as well. For your test
screening chap with family and friends, you may have people
who are at least interested in the project, so they
may have a different viewing than your random off the
street general audience member who was like, yeah, it's a

(42:14):
cool movie, but I didn't understand all.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
These beats to it.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Yeah, so I get the idea behind it. And yes,
it is a great tool for keeping secrets because at
the end of the day, if you have a ten
person test screening in some leaks, that's ten people.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Yeah, exactly, someone in that room is gonna you gotta
figure out who it is. So all right, So this
last one is coming from a varieties, and they're going
to start off by talking about how far has Marvel
students planned out. So after Figo was introduced as a group,
he came in and said, traditionally we have a five

(42:51):
year plan. He now says that they have planned for
the next seven years for the MCUs that he says,
I think it goes to twenty to thirty two. So
seven years they have planned out, and I think again that's.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
What they.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
Planned out doesn't necessarily mean, which is why we haven't
seen a slate in a while, because plans change, and
I think they've learned there also their lessons of putting
things out that they may need to pivot from, because
if you let everything out too early, then people call
you out for saying up. You know, you said this
and you change your mind and where is this happening?

(43:28):
You know? So I don't know. I think that's okay.
They're going to keep there. They're not released all their
all these seven years a SAP.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
You know.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
Yeah, I think that is a smart plan. So yeah,
you can have this this thought out plan, you could
have this timeline.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
But I've always said, you know, let things cook.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Release stuff when it's ready, don't force it everything else.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
So the next part of the variety piece goes, there
will be a lot less TV, so talk about the
output output again and slowing it down. He says. If
Figy cited Marvel TV shows like twenty tens like Daredevil
and Jessica Jones on Netflix, Agents and Shield and Agent
Carter and ABC, which were produced by a separate now
defunct division of Marvel Entertainment, though they had they had

(44:20):
a tenuous connection to MCU, if at all, he said,
I think allowing a TV show to be a TV
show is what we're returning to. Asked if the events
of at the end of Thunderbolts, when most of the
population was involved by an inky, black shroud of depressive nothingness,
would effect season two of the Disney Plus Daredevil series
Born Again, Fige had a very simple answer no. At

(44:43):
the same time, the line between TV and film is
not ironclad. John Barnehel will be playing the daredab al
Born Again character in Tom Holland's spider Man Brand New Day.
That reduction also meant that two of Marvel's TV projects
were held over a year that had been that had
been completed Ironheart with Dominique Thorn, which concluded in early July,
and wonder Man with Yaya Abdul Mateen the second, which

(45:06):
premieres in December. It's something Figy is not keen to repeat,
he said. I don't like it when things sit on
the shelves. It stinks. The delay especially affected Wonderman, which
follows an aspiring actor played by Abduah Mateen with hidden
superpowers as he strives to land a role on a
TV show playing a superhero. Figi, who was wearing a

(45:28):
wonder Man baseball cap, pointed out that Marvel made the
show before HBO Max's twenty twenty four's Comic Book Movies
Send Up the Franchise or Apple TV's twenty twenty five
Hollywood Sad Tire the Studio, which is amazing by the way.
I love the studio, but now it looks like they're
not following a trend. They're following a trend instead of
leading it. So a couple of things with that, you know,

(45:52):
less TV again scaling it down. I also am okay
with not everything having to be acknowledged acknowledged within the
movies directly, but I think that exists in the world. I
mean that's something that James Gunn is also trying to
learn to navigate with when we get the first when

(46:13):
we get Peacemaker later this month or excuse me at
the time recordingy but later this month, and then Lanterns.
I think that's a very touch of ground. I think
no acknowledgment is gonna be questionable. I think just a better.
They need to do better than saying the event in
New York, you know.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Yeah, And that's what I was thinking. Is it going
to be like the Netflix Daredevil series where you just
see a newspaper in the background or a blurb on
a cross the screen and that's their only acknowledgement. Now granted,
when it comes to Thunderbolts, they were attacking a section
of New York, doesn't show how much of New York
was covered, and Hell's Kitchen is realistically like one square mile,

(46:56):
so it could have not reached Hell's Kitchen by that.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
Point, but they definitely would have talked about it. So
I mean, not again, it's one thing to acknowledge it
if it's organic, if it has nothing to do with
what they're trying to do in Daredevil at that point, Okay,
it's it's nice. It's an easter egg that I don't
think necessary. Is necessarily but detail sounds like he wants
them to bring it up. And William and the chat Nerds,

(47:22):
Yes we are. We are nerds just like just like you, William.
Good to see a buddy, all right. Moving on from les,
TV diversity still matters, which I like seeing this. So
when pressed on the question of diversity and films and
TV shows like shun Chi the Eternals, She Hulk, Miss Marvel,

(47:45):
if I appeared unconcerned. He said, Marvel represents the world
outside your windows. He said, I've always said it before
Dei and Woke became a thing, and after Dei and
Woke became a thing. Are we are we after? I
don't know, I don't I don't think so, he said.
He singled out Miss Marvel and the Marvels start aman

(48:05):
Vollani as one of the greatest bits of casting we've
ever done, adding I can't wait to see her somewhere
else where that will be much less evident. At the
end of the Marvels of Velani's Kamala Khan appears really
Steinfeld's Cas should be part of a young Supera team,
but Figi danced around the question whether Young Avengers as

(48:25):
a film, TV series or TV specialist on the horizon. Potentially,
he said, in that case, it comes down to where's
the best story and where's the best best strange alchemy.
Who would be fun to see them with each other,
because that's what the Young Avengers are, but also mixing
it up more so, I didn't say no. It was

(48:47):
kind of like, you know, part of the matt Reeves mean.
We always like using in a group chat saying interesting
in this case possibly and sometimes no. Uh, I don't worry.
You know, right now is Marvel perfect with their representation
in their films and TV. They're doing better, they can

(49:11):
continue to do better. But I like how Fi keeps
saying that we're striving to put the right people in
the roles they are, and I agree mamm balani is
is one of those, you know, great castings that they have.
I think they've landed a lot on their castings, very
much so. But again, we want to You and I

(49:33):
both are advocates of representation matters. We want to put
the characters in the parts. Wonder Man in the comics
is not a black man. He is white. Guess what
I have no problem with yah ya Abdua Matem the
second playing and why because he's a good actor. And
I'm willing to see how this take is because I
think there's some nuanced to bring in. Instead of being

(49:54):
a white, white white person in the part, let's bring
in a black actor to do this because because there's
other things we can talk about with this, because of
who Simon is necessarily that has no who he is
in the comics is not necessarily represent tied to necessarily race,

(50:14):
at least in my opinion, you can get a great
character by bringing in the appropriate actor. And you know
what yaa, As Richard said, yah, yeah, can crush as
Simon Williams exactly.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Are there are some characters who race does matter. I mean,
we cannot avoid that. There's somewhere there history does matter.
Their upbringing matters. When you start talking about people like
Magneto having someone of Jewish descent and who is playing
that Holocaust survivor, like you cannot escape that. But then

(50:48):
there are other aspects like again with wonder Man, like
there isn't any part of this character where this is
affected by him, where this is part of it. And
I love the fact that Amma and Alani constantly gets

(51:09):
her shouts out from Kevin and from everyone else who
comes into interaction with her. She's just an amazing soul.
Like every interview, every time I see her, she knows
her stuff. She's one of the people that they contact
with to make sure that they are keeping on track
with the characters. I love that about her. But I
also love the fact that it feels like Marvel understands

(51:31):
that representation matters. But they also aren't just trying to
shoehorn in representation. They are making sure that people are
represented and they're represented correctly, and they are understanding it,
and they're not going, well, everyone's telling us we'll go broke,
so let's pump the brakes. They're going, what makes sense

(51:53):
to our story? How can we do this? And when
we have the avenues to be able to do something
create or involve or bring in another sector makes someone
feel represented and seen, let's do so.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Richard in the chat saying there were some people that
wanted Lewis Tanners, Danny Rand instead of Finn Jones. I
think that the problems were Finn Jones in the sense of,
like the first season just did he he did not
do himself any favors. Unfortunately, second season he heard loud
and clear certain things were changed. I'm still standing by
my hope as give me Colleen Wing as the new

(52:32):
iron Fist. Please we can do that. I don't care
what the crowd says. Oh, here we go the mgu
she was amazing in Iron Fist and she deserves to
showcase herself as the new Iron Fist. So and we're
gonna talk about Iron Fist a little bit later today.
So all right, finally concluding the last question from the

(52:55):
variety portion of this and bring a conclusion if mister
Fige goes on the record, Kangs could put but what
about Charlie's sarrens Clia and the Eternals? So while Kang
is pretty much over, Figy was far more circumspect on
whether audiences can expect to see other a list MCU
cameos that have been out there, such as Charlie's thence Clia,

(53:15):
Brett Goldstein's Hercules, Harry Styles, Star Fox, and Sasha Baron
Cones Mephisto again in later projects. Fig said, do you
want to see them again? Acting very playfully when the
reporter responded that the inclusion of those characters indicates a
promise that they would return at some point. Figi brought
up the return of Tim Blake Nelson's character Samuel Stern

(53:37):
from two thousand and eight's Incredible Hulk for twenty twenty
fives a Captain America's Brave New World, or Ralph Saxon's
character William don Low in nineteen ninety six's Mission Impossible
to Mission Impossible, the Final Reckoning. This is fun to me,
he said, So let's talk again in twelve years and
see who comes back. What about major characters like Moonnight

(53:57):
or the Eternals, would they return? He says, I don't
know if it's that's it's any specific ones that you named,
but yes, that is part of the plan. Characters we've
introduced post Endgame will pop up again in some of
the upcoming movies and beyond. Figi said. The fun of
the comics is anyone popping up anywhere, so, he said.

(54:18):
Perhaps almost tantalizing moment of the interview came when the
reporter asked Figy about how often Marvel plans to make
films that focus on a single character like shung Chi
rather than a giant team up film. He said, we
were talking about a structure of an upcoming post Secret
Wars movie that I won't name, he says, but I
will say, like shung Chi, it's getting back to what

(54:39):
the genre, to the genre that we haven't done and
want to do, and how could this movie be that genre?
We would focus on a singular storyline by embracing a
certain genre that we haven't seen in a while. Let
the internet speculation commence. That was I liked. I wanted
to include that be because I like that kind of

(55:01):
you know, we'll see what happens. That was a very
interesting way to end it. So so yeah, So he's
non committal on some of the characters coming back. I
think we're all pretty certain Mephisto was coming back. I
think he's kind of kind of hinted around that I did.
This is not the last time we've seen that, Charlie's Farren.
I think we're safe to say that Cleo will come back.

(55:23):
Hercules star Fox. I think I think we're all okay
if they don't.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
Yeah, I love Brett Goldstein, but if he doesn't make
it back in this, I'm not going to be mad
if I don't get Hercules. I mean Ted Lasso was
literally filming down the street from me today, so I
didn't have a chance to pop over and see if
he's on set here in Kansas City. But if it

(55:51):
doesn't happen, then it doesn't happen. Some of some of
the characters that have been introduced, like I don't need
would I like to see follow up one? Absolutely, I
would love to see Moonnight up here again.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
But if we.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Don't get anything with clear going forward, it's not going
to be something that ten years down the line. I'm
knocking on Marvel's door saying, hey, what about this post
credit that you promised me?

Speaker 3 (56:18):
Hey, what where's hair styles? I need star Fox in
my life.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
No, you don't, No, you don't. You do definitely do
not lead Starfox in your life. She Hulk definitely doesn't
need Starfox in her life. Richard saying, I hope Sam
Rocco makes it back to the MC.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
I think that's another one I would like to see,
just because he's such a great actor and he did
such a good job with playing justin Hammer. So but
all right, So that was pretty much all the main
points from the three different you know publications that had
some sit down time with Kevin Faigee us breaking it down,
so we'll wait and see. He gave some things that

(56:55):
to think about, confirm some other things, and hint it
towards the future. So but all right, so we're going
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(57:20):
us take a little break from news and let's go
breaking down a trailer because as of if you are
listening to this and not watching it tonight, you're listening
to this, well guess what is of Waconda? Have dropped
all four episodes of this mini series at this point,
so that is what David and I will be covering
next week in all four episodes, So that will probably

(57:42):
be the makeup of the show. Unless some major major
news comes, we're mainly going to focus on that. But yeah,
so this drops all four episodes. There are about thirty
minutes and leg so you've got about two hours of
content to watch this weekend, so they dropped an official
trailer to celebrate its arrival. So, as always, the sound
is off, we have close captioning up and we're gonna

(58:03):
be breaking this down as we watch through this. So
I love the animation style. You know, let's talk about
Wakonda as a kingdom. See the door milage many secrets,
It's Wakanda. Why not secrets? Director of Here we Go
Black Panther, Come on, we gotta put centers up there.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Director of all your favorite black movies over the last
ten years. She's wow, it's it's it's true.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
So set across the world to do mission. So this
is an anthology. The Eyes of Waconda will be an
anthology series, each episode taking place in a different part
of time looking at the the the basically the war
dogs and their pursuit of making sure vibranium that has
somehow gotten out of Wakanda stays in Waconda. So different
points in time, which I'm very fascinated by how much

(58:58):
of the history they're going to be talking about it.
And there see we got the Trojan War getting ready
to happen, so we know we're going that far back
of Greece. Secrecy is essential to the Wakanda security.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
So we're gonna be focusing on men of Alknda, women
of Wakanda. They're gonna be part of the war dogs
and some interesting technology. Look at that into wa Conda.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
Yes, this animation is looking gorgeous. These The choreography that
they do on some of these movements is just amazing.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
So four episodes of limited series, that's all we're getting,
you know, some good fighting styles, like you said, the choreography.
Help there we go. We did hear rumors of this,
so now we've got to confirmed that we will be seeing,
at least in the historical perspective, uh an iron fist
will be appearing in Eyes of Wakonda. So now is

(01:00:01):
to you David will be seeing looks like we'll be
seeing a version of a black panther as well. So yeah,
which stole one of my factor fictions. Yeah, for probably
for tonight. So well, you know, sometimes you just gotta eat. Well,
gave it's back some reason, but yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
It was.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
You know, I'm excited. I'm looking forward to this. I'm
probably not gonna watch all four episodes tomorrow, probably slowly
waking them away. Maybe if I can get one or
two episodes tomorrow and then the rest of the weekend.
But yes, so David and I will be breaking down
all four episodes next week. So I'm excited about it.
You know, Marvel Animation has been a highlight of the

(01:00:51):
MCU as of late, so I'm excited about it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
Yeah, I it again. It looks amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
I love the fact that it's going to be an
anthology series. So you know, I plan on try and
watching it as soon as possible. But if life happens
and I just don't get to it, then you know,
I feel comfortable, all right, I've watched an episode, I
can come back, I can watch another episode, and yeah,
everything about it just looks absolutely amazing with this animation,

(01:01:21):
in the choreography and just everything about it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
Yeah, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
So the heading back into some news items. This one's
coming from a Variety Marvel's next move. So they talked
about a bunch of different things in this one, talking
about the box office and how first up they lost
China as kind of a guaranteed they're always going to
bring in some extra money. One of the insiders that

(01:01:50):
spoke to Variety under anonymity which I always have problems with.
Anonymous sources said that we are never going to have
those days again, and the reality has changed the calculus
Marvel and when it comes to making movies that are
upcoming and including it X Men, so you know we've
seen it. We'll talk about it tonight when we break
down the box office from Fantastic for US first week

(01:02:10):
and even with even with other films like Superman. China
is just not guaranteed anymore in the sense of because
we put out a superhero project, they're gonna show up
in droves. It's not impossible to get a billion dollars
without China, but it doesn't help. But also, again, as
we've said before, the idea of every one of these

(01:02:31):
movies hanging of billion dollars, a new measurement has to
be looked at for success, and it's not a billion
dollars anymore. Casting will begin soon on X Men and
the field is wide open. Marvel has indicated to reps
that it is looking for younger talent rather than a
listers to keep the costs down, says one of the
agents that is has gotten the call sheet for that.

(01:02:54):
Marvel is holding a July twenty third, twenty twenty seven
on the release calendar for an unnamed film, but sources
have told Variety that it is not going to be
filled by X Men. They just Marvel has declined to
comment on what that film is going to be, So
the July twenty third date is not going to be
X Men. That's interesting. Amid the industry wide pullback of superheroes,

(01:03:17):
the Marvel brain trust is a sense of urgency on
the longer dating Blade reboot and even a new Deadpool outing.
But sources tell them that you know they are as
they said, there's no urgency to get put out another
Blade movie and to put out another Deadpool movie. Blade.
I understand now because of how long you know, they've

(01:03:40):
been trying to get this off the ground, but not
putting on another Deadpool. My only reason for thinking they're
not wanting to put another Soul outing immediately is because
Deadpool is coming out either Doomsday, Secret Wars or both.
That's why I think that they're not feeling the urgency
to do it now. We've also talked about the shit
how Ryan Reynolds is working on the early beginnings of

(01:04:03):
another Deadpool movie, but again, that's gonna be years down
the line. But if Deadpool, I don't think either one
of us are thinking Deadpool and Wolverine aren't gonna are
gonna show up in the next movies. But that's probably
why the sense of urgency is not there.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Yeah, there's no rush on Deadpool. This isn't one of
those things of they have to strike while the iron's hot.
I mean, they've proven over the course of its release
schedule that when they release it, people are going to
go to it, so they've got some times. That's not
something that needs to be rushed in any means. And

(01:04:40):
technically they by my calculation, they still have let's see,
thirty four years left on Hugh Jackman's contract, so I
mean they've got time.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Yeah. Kevin Davis in the chat saying Superman and Potestic
four was never going to make a billion dollars no
matter how good the reviews and audience fort Yeah. Again,
the age of streaming, you know that necessarily doesn't It
makes a lot harder if people are willing to wait.
I don't think it's either one of us are surprised
the idea that they're gonna cast young, non A list
actors for the X Men. You know this is a

(01:05:12):
this is a career defining movie for some, so we'll
just have to see. But that wasn't necessarily surprising. But
again there there's more and more chatter about X Men comings.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
So yeah, you may get one big star who they
can put on the marquee, but I feel like the
majority of the cast will be new or unknown, and
this this be a launching vehicle for them and something
that they can tie them with going forward. Ye all right, David,

(01:05:44):
why don't you take We'll close out the news with
the box office.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
Why don't you take all the box office? This is
all coming from Louise Fernando.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
All right, So fantastic four for steps uh box office
for we can have one.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
It opened number one again.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
Locker No is surprised right there, beat industry projections and
became just number four film of twenty twenty five to
score a one hundred million or more three day weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
At the US box office.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
They had at one hundred and eighteen million dollars three
day opening only under Superman's one hundred and twenty five
million and Lee Loan Stitches one hundred and sixty four million,
Mind forty craft forty sorry, one hundred and forty six mint,
and Minecraft's one hundred and sixty two point eight million.
I've seen all of those, but Minecraft, I have somebody

(01:06:39):
who is obsessed with le Loan Stitch and it was amazing.
So I can see that number six biggest three day
opening post COVID for Disney's MCU in the US, Dead
Pull and Wolverine was a two hundred and eleven point four.
Multiverse of Madness is at one eighty seven point four,
will Kind of Forever at one eighty one point three,

(01:07:00):
Throor Love and Thunder one forty three point two, and
Guardians of the Galaxy Volume three at one hundred and
eighteen point four. Considering some of these movies and their projections,
I mean, for a Marvel vehicle that has not had
the love and shine that it should have over the
last twenty plus years, I mean, this is great news

(01:07:24):
for them. A lot of these are established vehicles, and
this is something that has been coming in with no
established record crushes. The twenty fifteen Fantastic Force entire fifty
six point one million domestic run in just one week
by Tuesday will beat two thousand and seven's Rise to
the Silver Surface entire one hundred and thirty one point

(01:07:46):
nine million domestic run and by Friday it will also
be two thousand and five Fantastic Force one hundred and
fifty four point seven run to become the most successful
but fantastic four film ever in the US.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
Again, when the bar is that low, I understand, Like,
I think it's more of the ridiculousness of the ideas
that were not necessarily These weren't necessarily huge moneymakers in comparison,
but it's just it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
So, yeah, the bar is low, And when you really
think about it, there's four movies that it beat because
the other one had a domestic run of zero dollars
because it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:22):
Was never released.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
Yep, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
It crosses the two hundred million mark globally on top
of industry projections overseas as a score a one hundred
million five day international opening over fifty three markets, versus
Thunderbolts eighty six point two Eternals ninety point seven million,
Captain America Fors ninety two point four million, Superman's ninety

(01:08:46):
five million, and Quantum Manias one hundred and twenty one
point three million, allied to one hundred and eighteen million
three day weekend in the US with two hundred million
production price tag not including marketing hits two hundred and
eighteen million global opening versus Eternals one sixty two. Thunderbolts
won sixty point five Captain America's one eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
So forth, the MSU.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
Now had thirty seven consecutive films open number one at
the domestic box office. The MCU is dead. Oh my god,
thirty seven consecutive films. What are we doing with our
lives currently?

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
Since? Ye go ahead?

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
Yeah, No, it's it's again, say say what you want.
I'm not saying the quality has not dipped at times
and things like that, and but just saying that you
can't say that people still don't show up for the
first weekend at that point. You know, I see in
the chat that you know, Kevin saying that, you know,

(01:09:47):
Figure Fighter is going to be number one next week,
number two, Weapons Fantastic four, First Steps. I mean again,
we'll you know, that's you know, we'll have to see
necessarily exactly it was front loaded. They did have a
drop off of about sixty one percent for Friday. But
it's you know, it's different, and we said it before,
and I even said on the Bottic coastuam last week

(01:10:08):
to compare the legs of Superman to the legs of
Fantastic Four. That's apples and oranges. You have a character,
Superman that is recognized really around the world. The Fantastic
Four are recognized, but not to the same level. And
so you know, again, both these movies, I say, if
they both you know, we know Superman is going to

(01:10:29):
cross five hundred. I think Fantastic I'm pretty confident to
say the Fantastic Four is going to cross five hundred.
The question is how much further it's going to have.
So you know, so Leisa, August is slow month a
f four, it should be okay, the the movies are successful.
So but where does it stand currently? And this, this
last one came from box Office Mojo, but right before

(01:10:49):
we started the show, I got an update.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
It currently sits at a total box office of two
hundred and forty nine million, nine hundred and seventy one thousand,
five hundred and forty seven, with one hundred and fifty million,
nine hundred and twelve seven thirty six coming from domestic
and ninety nine million, fifty eight hundred and eleven coming

(01:11:15):
from international. Again, it's making money and for something that
to your point, Superman is a global icon. You can
walk into any Superman movie and whether they do the
death of Paul Kent like they did in Zack Snyder,

(01:11:36):
or whether they've changed some things. You know the story
of Superman. You know who he is. He's from Krypton.
It's kind of like how Spider Man could get away
without the death of Uncle Ben. We know who this is.
It's a global icon. Fantastic four is nowhere near a
global icon. So for it to have this type of

(01:11:56):
run on something that some people could legitimately have had
it bad tastes in their mouth. If fan for Stick
was the last thing that they saw or the only
thing that they.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
Saw they saw, they yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
Or the campiness of you know, the two thousands Fantastic
for movies just wasn't it for them? That could be
a turnoff. Superman is always going to be a draw.
So for this to have this type of legs I'm
very happy about, and I'm very happy not only for
these actors, but for this vehicle to just take off

(01:12:29):
and help usher in the next phase of where we're going.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
Yep. So so yeah, we'll see if you know, if
there's any kind of big news at the box office.
But again we just talked about the box office to
see in the comparison for this this and again I
said it before when the casting was announced, there's a
reason they cast these actors in these particular parts, because
again they wanted the very least for people that may
not fully be interested in either Marvel movies or this movie,

(01:12:57):
they might be interested in seeing these actors and actresses
this role. They're not stupid. They they wanted to put
eyes on this in any way, shape or form, because again,
they wanted to get the Fantastic Four finally right, and
I think they did. We both said in our reviews,
So make sure if you haven't done it, check that out.
But yeah, so that is all the news that is
fit to talk about this week. So yeah, it's you know,

(01:13:22):
it's it's been a fun week to break all this down.
But let us uh, let's kind of see. Yeah, let's
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All right, David, what has U? I see someone? We
got something interesting in a chat while I write down
our ad break.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
Oh let's see. So even though uh, let's see.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
Oh yeah, Kevin talk about Kevin.

Speaker 3 (01:14:06):
Ken's questions.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
Do you think Supergirl and Clay Face will be a
success for DC Studios? I hope so, yes, Just the
short answer, I hope. So. I do not wish negativity
on anything in the comic book sphere because if things failed,
then that lessens the chance that we get more things
in that arena. So you know, we got the brief cameo.

(01:14:30):
I currently call one of the dogs that live in
my house Crypto because of the Superman movie, and if
I get more of that version of Crypto, I'm okay
with it. So yes, I hope everything is successful because
that is how we continue to build, and we continue
to get good projects.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
Yep. The quality of the projects of the DCU will
build on each other. Supergirl, I think that is going
to ride the positive cotails not only of the brief cameo,
but also the cotail of the success of Superman. So
I think that'll be a clay face. I think that's
gonna be one that it's gonna come to the marketing.
It's gonna come to what we're seeing in trailers. I mean,

(01:15:10):
they both got our money. I'm excited about it, especially
with a script that was initially written by Mike Flanagan.
Please give me more of that. So but all right,
so we didn't have any questions this week. That's okay.
So let me you know, this is what I get for.
You know, I'm preparing for too many segments ahead. Let
me pull up the factor fictions from a couple of

(01:15:32):
weeks ago that were mine.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
Yeah, while you pulled that up, Kevin had one more comments,
saying Green Lantern and Harry Potter's reboots will get some backlash,
but it's not going to stop people from watching on HBO.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
Agreed.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
Everything's always gonna especially in today's society, everything's going to
have a bit of backlash. And again, I wish every
vehicle of success because that's how we get more. I
currently have a group chat with two of the closest
ladies in my life, and we.

Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
Are super excited for Harry Potter.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
So, hey, we are going to watch, and we are
going to enjoy, and we are going to wish it
all the success in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
All right, So going way back those the two weeks ago,
these weren't even mine. These these are mister Hines that
we finally get to reveal. So number one, Wolverine, we'll
show up in the next season of Your Friendly Neighborhood
spider Man thirty seven percent said fact, sixty three percents
in fiction. I will also be a fiction on that.

(01:16:35):
Number two Deadpool will appear in a Marvel animated project
sixty eight percent said fact. Thirty two percent fiction. Heart
wants it. I don't see it, so that'll be a
fiction for me as well. And finally, there will be
no more ann MC movies. Ninety percents in fact, ten
percents in fiction. Okay, got me for a fact on
that one. I don't think the characters done. I think

(01:16:56):
the movies are done for a bit. We'll take a
rest on that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
Yeah, that that again, I agree with the same. I
think that it's it's time as a full stop movie
has come to an end.

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
Hey, they got a trilogy. Not many people can say
that so yeah, all right, David, what what you got
this week?

Speaker 3 (01:17:19):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
So Factor fiction number one, Thanos or a version of
will appear in Doomsday.

Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
Will appear in Doomsday, and we.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
We have Brent to think for this because they after
Fantastic four. He literally turned to me and goes, this
is on my mind, and I was like, hold on,
let me get my phone out, go to my notes
for Factor fiction and yep, that's now one. Yeah, so
I will say no to Doomsday more of a possibility
in Secret Wars.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
Uh, I could see that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
I think that they would do Thanos for Doomsday and
save some bigger ones for Secret Wars. That way, Secret
Wars isn't too having one of those moments of pausing
the screen. Let's point out who we see too many
little Easter eggs in there, so that I feel like

(01:18:16):
they will throw it in Doomsday, and then say some
of the other ones for Secret Wars. All right, So
we're split on that, which then brings me to number two.
We will see the norn Rad version of Silver Surfer
before the end of Secret Wars.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
I'm gonna say fiction on that. I think they're going
to I think that, yeah, I think right now, I'm
not saying we're never gonna see norn Rad, but I
think right now we're shallow ball right now.

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
Which I'm okay with.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
I'm fine.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
I don't think that norn Rad will take over and
become the official version of Silver Surfer, but I do
think that there is a universe where we explore everything
that's going on, and you do see another universe that
was destroyed, and you see norn Rad's version as the
Herald that's either coming or going to.

Speaker 3 (01:19:12):
This universe may not.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
See Galactus, but you'll see norn Rad's version as the
Herald that's flying through.

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
Yeah, okay. And the last one, all right, last one is.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
Tom Holland will ruin something related to Spider Man before
a trailer drops at the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
Well, he kind of did ruin something with the you
know when we saw the title for No Way Home.
You know, inadvertently. I think they'll I think they'll do
some sort of joke with it. I don't think I
think they'll lean into that just because it's a fun
thing about them, so they'll they'll joke about it. It'll
be something planned.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
When the picture was posted today of him getting his
hair done or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:19:58):
Was happening. I doomed in on.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
Every aspect of that picture to see if he had
a script land full spy kids or something. I'm over
here like enhance, enhance, enhance, just looking for any reflection
of something.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
Well, all right, listeners, well we will let you let
your voices be heard when I post those on Sunday afternoon.
And David, let's head back into Fantastic for Life Story
issue number four. So this was a story that, you know,
last couple of issues, everyone's kind of gotten a spotlight
as the narrator and kind of things going around them,

(01:20:40):
but focusing on their life. So we are in the
nineties and we are focusing on Ben Grim's a thing.
So let you think of this one.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
Yeah, I thoroughly enjoyed Ben. I thoroughly enjoyed Ben. And
you know I remember reading this the first time and
enjoying it, and then the second time now with a
different focus on it, I was like, man, he the
heartbreak and the emotion that is coming through these pages

(01:21:11):
as he's talking, you know, he's talking about how he
knows since everything has happened, like he is different. He's
out here looking for love and having trouble he's this
is the nineties, so he's going out to clubs and
he's trying to meet people, and you know, everybody, family
and the Claire and everyone around him is evolving, having

(01:21:37):
their own lives. Franklin's grown up, He's about to get married.
Ben runs into his ex Sally, and you know, she's
moved on with life. She's married, kids and everything else.
And Ben's trying to get out there. He's having no luck.
And then you know, he meets some he gets matched
with somebody on a site and love and behold, we

(01:21:58):
finally get Alicia. So I loved having that moment with
him finding his happiness throughout this episode, but he also
does the second guessing himself is he worthy of this?
And he tells her a story about his time as
a pilot and the things that you do in war,
even the things that you know aren't on purpose, but

(01:22:22):
it's a.

Speaker 3 (01:22:22):
Part of war.

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
People die, people get affected, and how he lives with
that guilt and sharing that moment with her, and finally,
after so many decades, Reid gets a little bit of
redemption as the world now believes Galactus truly is coming.
The man's been signaling forever Galactus is coming. He was

(01:22:46):
on The Boy who Cried Wolf at this point, you know,
but it comes out, Hey, something's going on. Galacus is coming.
But instead of Galactus, we get the Silver Surfer who
basically says, this week, you have no defenses. I have
been circling the globe and doing what I will. There

(01:23:09):
is nothing for you. So I suggest you make peace
with whatever God you need to, because you're about to
meet the end. And unfortunately, though, we do get another
piece of information that is going to be another ten
years before his master comes, so we get another decade

(01:23:30):
of this.

Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
All right, So let me start off with my positive this.
I love Ben's story in this one. I think it
was great character development. I love the perspective that he gives.
I love the little that is it is. Really that's
the best part of this. It truly is the best
part of this, especially with his struggles and how he
kind of gets matched up, you know, the e harmony.
You know, at that point, I'm a e harmony success story.

(01:23:53):
My wife and I met any harmony. Those are the
very early days of internet dating at that point, so
because we didn't really talk about it too much, because
it's still fit to people. It felt like, oh, you
met someone on craigslist, you know, but I enjoyed, you know,
his struggles with that and then the intermixed with you know, Galactus,
the Silver Surfer and things like that. Okay, that's that's fine,

(01:24:17):
and you know, it's the interesting thing to read what
read really looks like in the sense of how old
he's gotten in that he has to kind of set
himself to what everyone else thinks he he's looking like
and creating what he considers to be the successful Star
Wars are galactic defense around the Earth and how confident
it is. And while basically Silver Surfer just in an instant,

(01:24:40):
just destroys everything within seconds. I'm glad they didn't go
the route of like you know, when you know, Ben
tried to go after the Silver Surfer, he almost gets
lost into the star and I'm glad that didn't happen.
That would have been like, oh, really do we have
to like take that and we already lost Johnny. But

(01:25:01):
then the what happened at the end with Silver Surfer
announcing the coming to Galactus and how long it's gonna take.
I'm just gonna be like, you know, right here in
this issue is the reason why I'm just gonna be
honest with you all listeners, Like the right here is
where I was like, this is where I fell off

(01:25:21):
on the series, like I finished it. But this is
my problem with this series is it's not the character
development around the characters and the individual stories. It's this
whole idea of you just said it, the boy he
cried Wolf. It's like we're Galactus is come, and Glaxus
come and Glaxus coming, and then basically Silver Surfers, He's
gonna come in ten years. Oh are you kidding me?

(01:25:42):
You know, I I'm sorry, But the idea that we've
basically taking this entire series and it's just Galactus, Galactus, Galactus.
Like I'm there was so much more they could have
done with this instead of just focusing so much on Galactus.
Galactus could have been there, but they could have done
so much more, and they were so hints of it.

(01:26:03):
And I'll say it again and I'll say tell them
Blue in the Face Spider Man life story is so
much of a better blueprint for what they could have done.
They didn't need to do an exact translation, but what
Chips of Darsky did with Badley on the book, there
was something special. Now, the art has always been great
with this, that's fine, but I just I don't like
the choice of just constantly focus on this coming into Lactis.

(01:26:24):
And the biggest snack in the face was like, he's
gonna come in ten years. Oh okay, that I get
the gimmick of the series. That's fine, but come.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
On, this was the one time where it truly felt
that you were trying to stretch out this story. Yeah,
like instead of it yeah, instead of it making sense, Okay,
now we're doing this that Now it's to the point
of like, all right, we get it. Read is concerned
about Galactis. And then when you end with and my

(01:26:54):
master will be here dot dot dot in ten more years,
I'm waiting on the the old school Batman stay tuned
next week saying bat time sing bat Channel, Like you
just threw out a to be continued in your own story.

Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
And not in a good way.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
Yeah, at this point of like, can you just hurry
up and get here so we can have this big climax?

Speaker 1 (01:27:19):
And I like that I'm feeling because because I don't remember,
like I said, I've read it, it didn't take out
to me, but I'm just gonna feel I'm just gonna say,
right now, I think it's gonna come off at very
anti climatic and say, rarely we gear it up for this.
I just don't feel like it's gonna be it's gonna
be worth it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
If if I was still in my going to the
shop and buying books weekly phase of my life, this
would probably be the time where I go, you know what,
take that out the rotation. I'm going to supplement something
else in there. I'm going to spend my money elsewhere,
because this is no longer feeling like in a it's

(01:28:00):
feeling like a drawn out story.

Speaker 1 (01:28:04):
Yeah, but we're gonna finish it. We're gonna finish it
because again I want to I want to see if
it somehow pulls me back in. But like I said,
this was to our point. This is where it's like,
come on, man, you know. But so we will get
to issue four, issue five next week and see exactly
can't can it? Can it salvage? Like we said, like

(01:28:24):
there's a lot to like about this issue, but that
that was just a punch to the guts, like seeing
you gotta be kidding me. So, But all right, well,
volume two sixty eight in the books, a big Chonky
episode and uh as always stay tuned for a postcardits there.
There was a little other news that slipped in through
Sandy U Comic con Marvel related that we will talk
about them a little bit, so all right and uh

(01:28:48):
but yeah, David tell people that they can follow you.

Speaker 3 (01:28:51):
Uh.

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(01:29:12):
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(01:30:16):
it's a post credit discussion tonight. We are looking at
mat SDCC. There's no hall hs. There was definitely some
comic news and this was probably one of the biggest
pieces of the news to hit is Marvel announcing Ultimate Endgame.
So since its creation in twenty twenty three, Marvel's new
Ultimate Universe has taken the industry by storm with bold
reinventions of Spider Man, Black Panther, the Avengers and X

(01:30:37):
Men Just Now, Just Now, at the highly anticipated Marvel
Comics Ultimate Universe panel, Ultimate Spider Man writer and visionary
mind behind the Ultimate Universe of this iteration, Jonathan Hickman
and editor in chief C. B. Sebowski and Ultimate editor
Will Moss, with writer Dennis Camp and Ultimate Wolverine writer

(01:31:00):
Chris Canden, shed some light on the future of this
They revealed that the final issue of Ultimate Spider Man
in the official announcement of Ultimate Endgame, a five part
series written by Dennis Camp, will be launching in December.
So Hickman said that the generation of Spider Man saga
reaches its planned conclusion with Spider Ultimate spider Man Number

(01:31:22):
twenty four, fans should prepare themselves for a startling finale
that will cement the run as one of the most
beloved Spider Man runs in recent history, packed with dramatic
and shocking developments for the entire Parker family. Along with
Harry Osbourne, Gwen Stacy, and Moore, the issue will also
create a promising roadmap for future storytelling. Hickman said, this
was everything I had pitched, nothing has deviated. It's been

(01:31:47):
really nice to execute the plan well and everything culminates
into this issue. Fans of the Ultimate Universe are going
to love it. It's going to be real. It's been
a real pleasure being the writer for Ultimate Spider Man.
They teased Ultimate End Game and delivers the every moment
every reader has been waiting for the return of The
Maker in prison the last two years, both in real

(01:32:09):
time hand in universe. The Maker is set to emerge
and finally confront the heroes who have brought hope and
freedom to a world that once had he had a
tight grip on speaking on the record, this is the
craziest and most impactful story I've ever worked on, Dennis
Camp said, I'm really excited about it. It's all about

(01:32:30):
the characters. Everyone is coming together in this big way,
coming up against each other in a big way, and
the resolution as a long plot threads we've been seeing,
it's a very big, very dramatic In the Ultimate Universe,
we can change the world. We can actually do it
as creators because we have this incredible playground to go on.
So the Ultimate Universe is basically coming to an end

(01:32:52):
in a way. So we've got Ultimate Spider Man ending
and Ultimate Endgame beginning as a five issue miniseries. Yes see,
the lead up has been the return of the Maker.
In my opinion, love Ultimate Spider Man really has enjoyed.
Dennis camp on the Ultimate Ultimate Black Panther has been okay,

(01:33:12):
Ultimate Olverine that's just recently come out hits and Missus
at that point, and Ultimate X Men has not been
my It was not written for me. I'm not gonna
hate on it. It just was wasn't what I was
what I was expecting, and that's okay, but just I'm
not gonna poo poo it because it just wasn't for me,
And I'm not gonna like go down on something that

(01:33:35):
it's just not that's not a fair critique.

Speaker 3 (01:33:37):
So yeah, what about you.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
I'm a huge fan of the current Ultimate Spider Man run,
but I was also a huge fan of the original
Ultimate Spider Man run. Same with the exception of the
Fantastic Four. I love the original Ultimate University. Yes, they
did take some liberties, especially with the X Men, took
a lot of liberties. But you know, I've I've been

(01:34:03):
liking this run. Black Panther to me started off hot
with the first couple of issues and then fills it
off pretty fast. In my opinion, X Men has been there.
Like I, when I have time and I don't have
anything else that I'm catching.

Speaker 3 (01:34:17):
Up on, I will read it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
But yeah, Ultimate Spider Man has been a good thing,
and I think this is a perfect time to bring
in The Maker, especially with everything going on with the
Fantastic before we get one more look at a different
version of Reid Richards.

Speaker 3 (01:34:34):
I've always liked.

Speaker 2 (01:34:35):
The Maker, and I like just his everything about him,
his demeanor. So if this is who we're gonna center
this ending around, I'm all for it and I look
forward to see what they're gonna do.

Speaker 1 (01:34:49):
Yeah, so it's like it's gonna be interesting. Now does
this mean what's gonna happen to the characters? We don't know,
they're gonna be folded in the universe. Is gonna be
ending We'll have to see. But uh, but yeah, it's
an interesting ride to the surprise of the Ultimate Universe coming.
But all right, well, we will see you all next
week when we bring about our discussion of Eyes of Wacondas.

(01:35:10):
So enjoy watching and we will see you next week.
Bye bye, see ya.

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