The Plot Against America by Phillip Roth

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's not for me. Alternate history not for me.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm more of a real history person like you.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
No no, I recently read a book about the Lindbergh Baby.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
That part was real.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
He tarnished a burdon and I would like to speak
on it.

Speaker 4 (00:21):
All Right, where's the craziest place? Everyone's pet?

Speaker 5 (00:24):
But who is America if not our nation's children?

Speaker 4 (00:28):
Yeah, country's kind of going to Ellen.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Hello everyone, and welcome back to me book club. This
week we read the Plot against America by Philip Roth.

Speaker 5 (00:41):
Oo scary plot. Not mean dame.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Little boys stamps those are all stamps are part as
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I am one of your hosts, Sarah Burton.

Speaker 5 (01:33):
I am one of your hosts.

Speaker 6 (01:34):
Jonas Crabis, I'm sorry I was waiting for Clara, so sad,
I'm another one of your hosts.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Saverena b. Jordan.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Wow, the drama.

Speaker 5 (01:51):
Yeah, Clara lost her mojo.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yeah, perhaps she'll get it back. There's still time for
her to turn it around. It's early in the episode.
Clara will be joining us at some point. We can
only hope, uh, and pray.

Speaker 5 (02:06):
Pray for her.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Pray for her. But we'll keep going uh with the
plot against America. We can give you some background, et cetera.
So uh, Johanna, so why are we? Why are we
reading this book?

Speaker 5 (02:21):
Well, I'd love to answer that question. Miles May.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
Who we have done another book by I'm certain of
it Mortals. Yes, oh oh, there we go. Miles May
recommended handbook for Mortals. Came in with another hot, hot book.
Here's what Miles has to say. I just figured i'd

(02:48):
let you know that I bought another request because recently
I found out a book in the somewhat niche genre
of alternate history made its way onto the Bestseller List
in two thousand and four. The Plot Against America tells
the tale of a Jewish family that may or may
not be based on the author's own family, as they
share the same last name, living in New Jersey after

(03:10):
Charles Lindberg defeated FDR in nineteen forty. Right off the bat,
I will say that this book is a lot more
competently written than the last thing I requested you look at.
But I think it would be interesting to discuss, if
only because I feel like you'd be able to see
parallels between the fictional Lindberg administration and the current administration.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Okay, yes, I mean I don't love I don't personally
love that ask, but they did join the tier that
requires us to do it, so so do it. We
shall Well.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
I like it, And I said that when we picked
this one, and the reason is because it's you know all,
we want to pick our thrillers. You know this all
we want to pick our gone girl at the window woman.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
At the window woman.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Okay, so it is important that Miles pushes us to
have a diverse season.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah, okay, fine, this is this is this, This does
diversify our portfolio.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
You need to do this.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
Otherwise, what are we doing just reading books we kind
of want to read?

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Now? We do this to punish ourselves. We do this
to punish ourselves.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Well this punishment.

Speaker 5 (04:25):
Yes, it was all right.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Well I might have felt a little differently. But how
did you guys read it? How'd you consume it? Oh?

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Oh boy? Actually I got it the library. I always
feel like it's so interesting. I got in the library,
I know, so I didn't have to use any of
my credits, which is nice. And then I listened to

(04:55):
it on as fast as I could, except the guy
narrating it his voice like I know that you all
think this always at three time speed, but his voice
was not understandable at three times speed.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yeah he is.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
So he had a very thick accent, and it was
like I can see that it like there was like
a popping to his voice that like became very irritating
at three time speed. So I had to listen at
two point six y five.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Okay, big difference. Big difference really slowed you down there, JOHNA,
How did you read it?

Speaker 5 (05:29):
Well?

Speaker 3 (05:30):
I bought it on audible because you know, as we
have explained, Sarah got us all audible subscriptions for this season.
And the problem is I'm sort of like a wild
animal that you all have started feeding.

Speaker 5 (05:45):
Like now that I have.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
This this bowl of kibble in front of me, I
haven't been able to go out and hunt my own
books at all.

Speaker 5 (05:52):
I've lost wow to hunt.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
You were such a librarybrarian loyalists. It's I mean out.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
Until we had the falling on there. We're still we're
not not back in their good graces. But I don't
even try to look anywhere else. I don't do anything.
I just go to Audible, I click I would like
to use a credit, and then it appears seconds later.
It's so easy, and I'm becoming a fat cat.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yeah well, yeah, all right, fat cat.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
I also I still try. I've been trying to do
the library, but it's you know, two backed up. So
I actually used audiobooks dot Com for this one because
I had, you know, been paying for it for a
while and forgotten. So I have some you know, that's
my bad. But I will also say I did also
read this before in college. Oh. It was a part

(06:45):
of like the like, oh, you can read this book
list before for your freshman year, and then we're gonna
all meet to get together and talk about this book
and this for the college and I was like yeah,
and so I read the Plot against America and the
Life of Pie. There were a few other ones, because

(07:06):
we did Life of Pie that was also one of
them on the list. And I was so excited. And
then I got in in my roommate. I said, oh,
are you gonna go? And she was like no, And
then I never went. I never went to those Oh
my god, because I didn't want to be on cool.
I didn't want her to think I wasn't cool.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
So wait, it's crazy that you read the book kind
of to be cool and make friends and then the
minute the first person said that that was not the
way to be cool, you abandoned it instantly, immediately.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yeah. Yeah, I needed her name, Michelle Tennis. I don't
know if she's listening, but I needed to impress her badly,
and yeah she was. She just was like really chill,
laid back, and I I had to. I tried to
make myself into her as much as possible. But anyway,
this is not the first time I read this book.
And also I'll say I do like alternate history, like

(08:05):
it is a genre that I typically enjoy, not that
I don't have plenty to say about this one. But
I also this was also an HBO series I think
in like twenty twenty two or something.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Oh was it. I was saying that I thought it
might be more interesting as a series that had like
hour long episodes. Yeah, yeah, in a little drama.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
But actually, when did that come out? Yeah, it came
back kind of like kind of recently. It was in
twenty oh, twenty twenty Jesus Christ. Wow, that was at
the beginning of the pandemic. That's so wild. Never came
across my desk. Other things or I know, maybe bad timing,
maybe bad timing. But Winona Rider Morgan, John Torturo had

(08:55):
a big Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
He goes to all the Liberty games. So I'm a.

Speaker 5 (08:59):
Fanily, I'm a friend of yours.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
Really yeah, but pretty much he sits a few rows
in front of me.

Speaker 5 (09:06):
He seems cool.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
But I yeah, but read this book. We'll go to
the books. We're talking about the book, so.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Well, I want to talk about John Dedureau.

Speaker 5 (09:17):
I kind of do it too.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yeah, I mean, I love him.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
Zack Cherry goes to sometimes. Not I don't think he
has season tickets, but I feel like I see him.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Good for him?

Speaker 3 (09:25):
Yes, I actually weirdly saw like a Zack cherry courtside
at the Lady Liberty game nets.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Where did you see that? Where did you see that?

Speaker 5 (09:37):
It was like in there was a paper or something.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
It was like a paper times.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
That cherry that I say, I say, all right, this
is Clara class it up, so really really excited to
shoot for another shorty from Clara. This time she gave
us parts though. All right, he wants to be fill up, Sarah.

Speaker 5 (10:01):
I mean, I think you make an excellent Philip.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Oh no, this is me asking for me to do
an accent. I will not. I cannot do. I'll try,
but I don't know if I can try. No, I
don't know if I can do it.

Speaker 5 (10:12):
I think I could do a New York accent.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Okay, okay, then you do Philip. H Sabrina, do you
want to be Alvin?

Speaker 5 (10:19):
I can Sprino? Was maybe gun in for Philip?

Speaker 6 (10:22):
I'm sorry, Serena, I I wasn't.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
I didn't speak up.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Well, we looked in your eyes.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
I gotta try to get in the headspace of my coworker, Jessica.

Speaker 5 (10:36):
How does she talk?

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Hey, Jessica, what's up today? How are you doing?

Speaker 5 (10:42):
Fuck off?

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Okay, perfect, you got it, you found it, all right,
let's go all right. Here's the summary for the Plot
against America by Clara Morris.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
I'm just the Jewish kid in Newark, narrating my life
and also a history textbook. I go back and forth.
See if you can pay attention. Oh, I should mention
that this is an alternate history in which I have
to watch my father, the most electrifyingly dedicated and staunchly
hardworking man there ever was in Dora, Nazi and Nazi

(11:13):
sympathizing president during World War Two. And also my mother,
the most matriarchal, smooth, aproned woman to ever have to
create a household of peace and harmony among political persecution
and upheople. Unknown to me, a little boy who likes
baseball is the most in the most present time of life.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
Philip, can you change the bandages on my stump?

Speaker 3 (11:42):
I have to go, But let me just say I
got my neighbour's mother killed violently.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
There are scams, Phillip Finn. That's an end, all right?
Very good, John, a amazing accent, very impressed. For real.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
I will only work with people from Staten Island and
Long Island.

Speaker 5 (12:09):
Full stop.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
You fully leaned in. I loved it and okay, so yeah,
I guess that is what it's about. There's a lot
of information not in there, but I'm sure we'll talk
about it. Winburgs like a Wintenburgh. Not he's the alternate
history has him as the president. But you know, sure, sure,
sure we'll get back to it. But yeah, that's that's

(12:31):
the gist. It's a coming of age story, uh for
a little it's basically a little a boy's coming of
age story, but like unfortunately it's also it's it's at
a time when a fascist is the president. Uh oh,
that's yes, more what it is. Uh but Johnna, do

(12:53):
we have any jugs? Do you have a carry drink
pairing for us?

Speaker 5 (12:57):
Got a job?

Speaker 3 (12:59):
I think that this book would be a tremendous opportunity
for everyone to try. Manishevit's wine. If you've never heard,
I knew, you knew, I knew? Okay, well, I myself,
prior to this book have never tried it because I've
never been invited to a passover, which makes me sad,

(13:21):
and consider this an open invite to and.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
That actually came out.

Speaker 5 (13:25):
That's actually shocking, sad to say.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
And this is the This is a Jewish wine that
is traditionally part of a passover gathering, and it's known
for its distinctive grape slightly syrupy flavor. It has been
compared to a grape flavored cough syrup. This is as

(13:50):
sweet as it gets funny.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
Not really, you know what's funny?

Speaker 5 (13:54):
Is I?

Speaker 7 (13:54):
So?

Speaker 1 (13:54):
I don't like sweet wines, but I feel that the
Manishevits is so sweet that it transcends into like a
different tier of almost like actual grape juice, and.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
That you get a little buzz from yeah, buzzy grape juice.

Speaker 5 (14:16):
Yeah, I think that's fun.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
And it truly is the perfect pairing for this book because.

Speaker 5 (14:26):
Well, I guess, you guess to find out more.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
I feel like they get it. They get it, Thank
you so much.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
It's really it's the Jewish thing. It's really probably the
Jewish thing.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Let's talk about I guess fill up. The main character
is kind of like you know, obviously this isn't a
real history, but it's based on him.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
So.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
He also grew up in New York. His dad was
an insurance broker. In high school, he was considered funny.
He he started at Rutgers, transferred to Bucknell, he got
his MA from Chicago University, and in nineteen fifty five,
assuming he'd be drafted, he joined the Army but got
hurt in basic training. Oh maybe lucky.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
I don't know how he got hurt, but good deal.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
His fourth book in nineteen sixty nine, called Portnoy's Complaint
is What made Him Famous. And he died in twenty eighteen.
So Clara says, play it cool, Okay, it makes sense.
I feel like actually I listened to an interview with
him in twenty eighteen, so that makes sense. Its to
why I couldn't find something more recent. But yeah, he

(15:39):
I think he's pretty well decorated as a writer, kind of.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
A probably not so much in the army since just
had that little basic training snafu.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah, I know. He wrote, has written. He's written a
lot about Jewish American identity. He's one of the most
honored Jewish American writers of his generation. He's received the
National Books Critic Circle Award, so Play, the Kenny Faulkner Award,
National Book Award, Pultzer Prize for American Pastoral, which is
another uh. He he went. He got the France Kofka Prize,

(16:16):
the inaugural one in two thousand and one. The Library
of America began publishing his complete works in two thousand and five.
He's very much so like a quintessential American good writer.

Speaker 5 (16:30):
Yeah, yeah, notoriously well known.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Good So I'm going to assume maybe that part we're
you know, we're we're probably not gonna have a lot
to complain about in terms of.

Speaker 8 (16:46):
I mean I can find two okay, Yeah, all right,
Well I was gonna say, my big complaint is that
and this isn't like a it's not I don't know,
feel like it's.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Okay, well we're not there, We're not there.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
Well my bid complainings everyone can know later.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Wow that now, this book, this book, the plot against
America in I guess just last year in twenty twenty four,
it was ranked number sixty five in the New York
Times list for Best one hundred Novels of the twenty
first century.

Speaker 5 (17:20):
Okay, that is huge.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yeah. Yeah. It was published in two thousand and four
and it spent sixteen weeks on the bestseller list and No.
Four oh five we talked about it. It's also a
mini series. It's a heralded book, painfully a moving, genuinely
American story by The Washington Post. A terrific political novel,
as well as sinister, vivid, dreamlike, preposterous and at the
same time creepily plausible, said The New York Times. It

(17:46):
has long, fluid sentences that carry you beyond skepticism. The
guard in. So, yeah, a lot, a lot, a lot
of people liking. Although I will say I I pers
even though I read this in like two and five
or six, two thousand and six, I'm gonna I don't
remember everything about what it was like, but I think

(18:08):
there's a lot just because of the political climate and
how much it's changed, it wasn't doesn't feel the same
and almost is like stuff in the book is too subtle,
you know what I mean. It's like, crazily enough, this
fascist president doesn't seem that bad compared to stuff I've seen,
you know what I mean? Yeah, right, I think that
I think that because of that, to me, it feels

(18:30):
like it lost a lot of its bite. That like
probably sure, and that's sad. That is sad that is said,
But that's just how I feel. But all right, I
guess we can dive in, or.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
I've noticed something that I'd like to point out before
we dive into the book. Go ahead about it's about Miles.
I'm worried that Miles has set us up to fail here.
Maybe Miles might be an enemy of ours. Here's my rationale.
You go back to Miles's recommendation. Nothing actually negative is

(19:06):
said about the book. It's just a description of the
book and.

Speaker 5 (19:12):
The line.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
I think it would be interesting to discuss.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
That's what I said. I didn't like. I didn't like that.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
Well, then we get down here and it's just like,
you know, it's one of the sixty five best novels
of the twenty first century.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
This man is a hero.

Speaker 5 (19:28):
He's won the Pulitzer Prize.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
And what I'm wondering is like, is Miles setting us
up to.

Speaker 5 (19:36):
Pick a book like this?

Speaker 2 (19:38):
Do it?

Speaker 3 (19:39):
Trash it and then you know it ruins our lives?
The cast is over, people hate it. Is Miles trying
to kill the podcast?

Speaker 2 (19:49):
It's interesting, It's an interesting theory.

Speaker 5 (19:54):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
I'm just wondering it's possible, and how do we handle it?
Like do we?

Speaker 5 (20:00):
And why?

Speaker 2 (20:01):
And why? Why? I? You know, I think, but I
think we have to keep going, Like I think we're
where he's got us against the handwritt is that? What
is the guardrails? He's got our back against the wall.
You know, we gotta we don't have anywhere to go.
We gotta do this. What are we going to stop?

Speaker 5 (20:19):
We're between the bull and the guard rail?

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Yeah yeah, yeah, and not on then the bull's coming
for that guard rail. For some reason, screen makes sense, subrabery,
you had what was one of the things. What did
you want to talk about?

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Sorry, Oh well, I was just gonna say, like my
my major complaint with the book is really just like
it's not for me, and so it being so long
made it feel so long, didn't. I think he did
a great job, and it appears that others agree, like sure,

(21:05):
that's how it got to be number sixty five on
the top one hundred Books of the century or whatever
it is. But ooh, historical fiction not for me, Alternate
history not for me.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
You're more of a real history person, like you're no.

Speaker 9 (21:26):
No, no, If the word history is in your mouth,
I'm out.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
I guess this is more for me because I do,
I do really love history, and I do find I
think it's kind of fun. The I get really into, like, oh,
I'm gonna read more abundant bunch about Charles Lindberg now,
like and compare things he actually said to how it
was in the book, and stuff.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
Like, oh, I sure won't be doing that.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Well, well, hmm, that's interesting. And of course in there
Lindbergh he has a vice president, Burton Wheeler, and of
course Burton being the name, I love to see that
character become such the evil villain, right sure, because at

(22:25):
the end even even worse than Lindbergh almost, And then
I'm like, well, then I read about him in real life,
and I was kind of like, well, Philip Roth, that's
seems a little fucked up that you did that to
this guy. You know, he actually see he tarnished to
Burton and I and I would like to speak on it.

(22:46):
And I'll hold it for later. I'll hold it for
the right time. But but I I would like to
proffer a defense of the Burton Okay.

Speaker 5 (22:57):
Okay, we can do that. We can get to that.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
I think my main criticism of the book is very
similar to Sabrina's in that I'm listening to this long
ass book and it feels like I'm learning something because
it's history. It's certainly boring enough to be a textbook,
but it's not.

Speaker 5 (23:22):
Because it's all fake.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
So I'm like, I'm listening to all of this and
it's not even going to help me in my life.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
It's not the talking point.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
It's not like, well, you know what, now I know
how the Iditarod came to be.

Speaker 5 (23:36):
At least it's not. That's okay, that's another book I'm
reading right now I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
But you do learn about you do kind of learn
a little bit about maybe these characters like lind Bergh
and like his.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
Also learning about him is probably like the one thing
I was like, Oh, I didn't realize that he was
probably anti Samet and things like that. But also like
Charles Lindberg. This is really going to make me sound
so incredibly stupid, and I recognize that. But if you
had said the name Charles Lindbergh to me before this book,

(24:17):
I would have said, yes, that is a figure in history,
probably the nineteen hundreds. And then Superene.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
No, really you didn't know who? Do you know what?

Speaker 1 (24:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (24:36):
Okay, I just feel like they're usually talked about together.
So I'm surprised.

Speaker 5 (24:41):
Really, I don't think they're same tear all I know.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Well, I mean, what I know about Amelia Earhart is
she was cool pilot and was going to go around
the world, but we lost her. But I feel like
I know that because I'm a girl and that was
interesting to me.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Oh so, now you only listen to history if it's
about They're like two of the two most prominent figures
in aviation history. I still think it's crazy. See, I
think the only person I know Okay here, okay, Charles
Lindbergh made the first thank you right, Charlesburg made the
first soul and stop translated transatlantic flight, and I believe.

Speaker 10 (25:22):
So.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
And then Amelia Earhart made the first one as a woman. Like,
they're very much so hand in hand. First, I preface, okay.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
Okay, this will make me sound fair, fair, fair.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
I just I recently read a book about the Lindbergh Baby,
and I will say it was actually, I guess, technically
a fictional history, but it was based on facts.

Speaker 5 (25:43):
I guess a historical fiction.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
That's what this would be.

Speaker 11 (25:50):
The Lindbergh baby baby is real. He has what I'm saying,
but there's there's details that they don't even include in
this book.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
So mister aviation hero had a son. They lived in Princeton,
New Jersey. The boy was born, and people say maybe
he had some sort of condition because his head was
like larger than it should have been and he might
have been like a little weaker than other kids.

Speaker 5 (26:17):
But it's not really clear if there was something wrong
with him or not.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
But Charles Lindberg was, you know, dipping his toe or
more into fascism, Nazism and maybe even eugenics, and so
there is a lot of like weight behind the possibility
that he was responsible for his son's death because the
kid wasn't perfect. But in the book that I read,

(26:44):
the based on all the facts of the case, what
they paus it is that he was this weird He
was a weirdo and he used to like to try
to play pranks on his wife by stealing the baby
and leaving him outside.

Speaker 5 (26:58):
And the night baby Lindbergh went missing.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
I haven't heard this.

Speaker 5 (27:03):
This is this is a theory.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
The night baby Lindbergh went missing, there was a ladder
pressed up against the baby's window and around the eighth rung.
It the ladder broke, and what people think potentially happened
is that his own dad kidnapped him from his window
was taking him down the ladder as a joke, fell
on the ladder, dropped the baby. The baby died, and

(27:26):
then he left him in the woods a couple days later.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
But they never found the baby.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
They did, they found him, and that's another weird fact
of the case because they find him on the grounds
of the house.

Speaker 5 (27:40):
Like not not far so, but.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
Supposedly, you know, there was a kidnapper and ransom. Note
it's a very mysterious, but you know, maybe there was
a kidnapper.

Speaker 5 (27:53):
And maybe I'm smearing a bad man's good name.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
But well that's part of it. I'm not I'm not
going to defend him. I'm defending Burton Wheeler. I'm not
going to defend.

Speaker 5 (28:03):
Sure, no, no, no, but uh yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
The the story of the Lindbergh Baby is a really
crazy read. If anyone is interested, I'll tell you the book.
I think the book I read was called The Lindberg Nanny,
and it's like, from the nanny's perspective.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Okay, this is so, this is and so it's fully fictionalized,
like you're it's you're you're claiming No, No, it sounds fictionalized.
It sounds like what I It's just like this book
starts from a basis effect and then extrapolates. It sounds
like they're doing that.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
No, because this is an actual alternate history. There was
no Lindberg presidency.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Right, but was there's no nanny who wrote a book?

Speaker 3 (28:45):
Well, there there was a nanny and the fact, but
any who wrote the book.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
Well, but I know that you guys are in a
hot dispute right now, but I just need to jump
in to clarify something I said earlier because I didn't
realize how much of this was plucked from true. And
I said that Charles Limberg might have been anti Semitic,
and I want to clear up that based on my
Google search, he definitely.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
And I was.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
To defend him at all.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Okay, fair, that's where he's trying to catch us. Miles
is trying to get us to ok.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
Yeah, but I'm just stupid and I need to educate myself,
and that's what I'm doing.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Crazy. Can you imagine somebody's just famous for flying be
an elected president.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Do you want to weigh in on your debate, which
is I think that this book is a subgenre of
historical fiction that is alternate history. And it sounds like
Johnna's book is just historical fiction.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
But yeah, wait, why is that?

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Why is that you saying you're right, You're trying to
claim that yours is like not fictional what I'm trying
to wait.

Speaker 5 (29:54):
It is, but it's this book is taking much bigger
swings and leaps with it.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
I disagree on I mean, sure, because we're talking about
a world as opposed to like a nanny, but it's
still fick like we're.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Talking about a world as opposed to maybe some details
may or may not have.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Gone I don't don't true. I think you're accepted all
of this. No, a lot of the stuff is based
on something. A lot of them are if you okay,
a lot of stuff Philip Roth like literally took from
speeches they actually said and just like put them at
a different location or but it's like, actually that's that

(30:34):
is like one of the most impressive parts of the
book is like the amount of research and that he
did for like all of the characters except for again
Burton Wheeler, as I as I will discuss, but uh,
also I found out, well, this is just this is
this is a little dig at him. Okay, because you

(30:57):
guys know of alternative history. You're familiar with the Man
and Man on the High Tower.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Yeah, alternative history, like what this book is as opposed
to historical fiction.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Christ Jesus Christ, Man on the High Tower. It was
also a Man in the High Castle. I'm sorry, I'm
saying it wrong. Man in the High Castle. It was
also like an Amazon Prime series, yes, ten years ago,
Philip K. Yeah, Philip K. Dix. I feel like some
people pick this book up and think it's going to
be that, which is like a little bit more I

(31:27):
would say nefarious. That's like that is set in a
parallel universe where like access pack Nazi Germany one and
now we're after, we're post World War two, whereas like
is another Philip that's true, but this one is a
little more like you know, leading up to it. And
then also he backed I'll talk. This is my big complaint.

(31:47):
I feel like he does a big backtrack at the
end to be like up and now everything's back to
how it was in your in the real world, like
do you know what I mean, where he's like now
Roosevelt's president again and we're fighting the Nazis by the end,
and I was like, guess, seems like a little bit,

(32:08):
you know, if I'm believing a butterfly effect, I'm not
going to believe that that's happening. That it's yeah, but uh,
I guess, you know, I don't necessarily say and I
want to read a book where he does well.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
And something I also didn't like in that same vein,
And I don't know if it was rooted in history
or it wasn't. But at the end, they you know,
spoiler alert, the president goes missing, which is another great
Mean Book Club book. It really is well and the

(32:40):
people are theorizing what happened, and one of the theories thrown
out is that the Nazis had abducted the Lindbergh baby
and he was doing all of this like in the
name of protecting and saving his son, and one like, obviously,

(33:02):
I don't think that there's any justification for like raining
are also din like part Yeah, but I didn't like
the idea of introducing that, like there was some good
motivating the Lindberg character exactly.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
I was like, is he afraid the family Limberg's gonna
sue him or something. I also felt like Yeah, that
was I thought that was pretty lame because and he
didn't like say he said it as though, like some
people believe this, So it's not like he's saying this
is what happened. He's so it's like it's almost I
guess it's giving the reader an option to be like,

(33:39):
if I choose to believe that to make myself feel
better about it, Limberg, I can, but it's just seemed
it seemed blame to me. I don't like that.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Yeah, And it kind of like it purifies all of
his followers a little bit too, where it's like, well,
of course.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
You know what I don't know, like I, yes, I
don't yeah, like to give him those mixed motives. Yeah,
I Again, it's still it really felt to me like, oh,
he's afraid of Lindbergh's pursuing him, so he has to
give him some pure motive for doing this and blah
blah blah, which again, if so, what about Burton K
Wheeler's family, what about the Burtons?

Speaker 12 (34:14):
So bested?

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Okay, anyway, I wanted to throw out and I don't
even remember when my brief reading of this that oh
there was there's another alternate history novel called The Divide
that came out in nineteen eighty, where Burton Wheeler becomes
president in nineteen forty, which I thought was wow.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
Which he was a Democrat. Were the Democrats different back then?

Speaker 2 (34:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (34:43):
They essentially a Republican.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Not that not not quite, but it was. It was
definitely maybe like of the nineties. Like I don't think
you can really compare it to our current makeup of
republican versus Democrat, to be honest, but I feel like
there was a time you could say they just were anyway.
But he wasn't like he was like, you know, I'll

(35:06):
go into it. But I just was like, oh, is
this where he got it from? Is this where he
like he saw this and was like, all right, I'm
gonna take him and make him my VP. Uh maybe not,
that's not that interesting. I'm so sorry I said that.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
Wow, Burton Wheeler is interesting.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
I've I okay, okay, just just get it out. I'll
just get it out. I'll just get it out of here.
I think it's true that he was he was picked.
He picked him because he was like an isolationist right then,
That's why. But he wasn't like an American America First isolationist,
which is like a more like I think insidious view

(35:44):
part of isolationism. Like he's more just like anti strongly superior.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
Supported the America First.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Right, but he wasn't in it, Yes, but he wasn't
in a like it was different. He supported their aims
of isolationism, but he wasn't like in it for the racism.
I guess if that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
Feels like kind of like he probably did it to
get elected.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Sure, but like, okay, he was also I don't think
that helped him elect him. He was like a very
he was like, oh goodness, there's a famous book that, oh,
mister Smith goes to Washington. You guys know that, right,
the nineteen thirty ninth film mister Okay. Well, it's kind
of like he it's based on it's loosely based on

(36:31):
him and his experience investigating the Heartied administration. Like he
was somebody who like found bad people. And he was
also like a big union supporter, and he was on
like a ticket with like a black guy and you know,
like a multi racial ticket before like anybody else. I
don't know, It's just like a lot of interesting things
that you was like, oh, I feel like from this book,

(36:53):
I just thought, oh, this guy's must be pretty evil.
And then I was like, this seems like a little
unfair to him, that he seems like maybe very liberal
and like forward thinking for his time, and like everyone else.
Once Pearl Harbor happened, he was like, Okay, never mind,
let's kill him. Let's get him, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (37:11):
That's the trouble with an alternate.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Well, and here here's the thing. I'm hesitant to agree
or disagree with anything you say, because I truly know
so little that you could be like saying something he
could have done something real bad that we just haven't
uncovered yet. Okay, And I don't want to be.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
On any side you think historically we may still uncover.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
No no, no, no, I mean that we we three
kings have not.

Speaker 13 (37:42):
Ah sor right, all right, okay, okay, well anyway, okay, okay, sorry,
this is also just this is just this very side thing.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Ree Burton Wheeler. But in nineteen forty six he was
defeated in the Democratic primary by Leif Ericson. Okay, just
throwing out that name, and then Ericson, in turn was
defeated by the Republican state representative Zales ecton just talking.
We got Burton, we got Leaf, and we got Zales.
They were having fun with names back then at the

(38:17):
beginning of the century, like males have I don't know.
I was just what what what fun names? You know?
What happened?

Speaker 1 (38:25):
Those are good?

Speaker 2 (38:26):
You know, you just don't. You don't they're not. You're
not so many leafs, not somebody Zales.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
It's like in the Salem the Salem Witch Trials, there's
a bunch of good names, and then there's Dorcas.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
I think.

Speaker 14 (38:37):
Kids a tough one, and we know a Dorcas. So
Sabrina no Lilith, Yeah, oh yeah, okay, it's a last name,
but a first name.

Speaker 5 (38:50):
Come on.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
Also, sorry for the stray bullet Sabrina.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
You're like, I must be mocking Sabrina.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
All right, I mean I took it as you thought
I have magical power.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Oh yeah, that's but yeah, this book, I I do
think the one the like when you're like the plot
against America and it's like alternative history and fascist taking
over and then it's like you're spending all your time
with like a ten year old little Jewish boy is
very funny to me, Like because it was a trick.

(39:26):
I did feel like it was it was tricky, it
was tricking assault because yeah, he did his things he
cared about, like the stamp collection and they I mean,
it was very like believable and true to character and
all that kind of stuff. But I did end up
really liking his character by the end, like he was
very funny to me, even though it was not funny,

(39:49):
as Claire pointed out that he had his friend's mother
murdered around a bell way.

Speaker 5 (39:54):
Sorry, yeah, just to explain, you're laughing pretty hard, but.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Because it's funny, but uh, it's it's it was. It's
one of the set is there's not like really anything bad, okay,
other than the fascist taking over in Nazism in our
little town and our the plot is a lot less
like insidious. It's a lot more subtle, like you know,
the dad getting letting go from his job because he
won't move to Kentucky.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Well, they're trying to get abduct his brother to send
him to another family to like make him assimilate.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
But he shows it. He chose like it's all it's
not you know, it's I don't I.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Would, I would, but it was abducted.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
We should that the Lindenberg administration proposes a program where
Jewish people, uh, basically Jewish kids get separated from their
parents and just folks.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
That's what they called it.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
Yes, and the the family, the main family in the book,
Sandy's family, recognize their dad recognizes it for what it is,
which is a separating of parents from kids, a weakening
of the Jewish family.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Yeah, attempting to an americanize them. I mean, and that
kind of stuff does have historical basis. It's like stuff
that was actually done with you know, American Indians and
stuff like that. So and so.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
Then the consequences are exactly like basically what the dad predicted,
what happened, and so part of what's interesting in the
book is like, I guess seeing it all happened through
the eyes of this ten year old boy who again
is obsessed with stamps. We could have lost fifty of
the stamp talk and the price of stamps and who's
on the stamp? But yeah, watching kind of a kid

(41:49):
who is so you know, when you're a certain age,
sometimes your parents can just seem so like dumb and
old fashioned and like they don't get how the world work.

Speaker 5 (42:00):
Anymore.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
And then like when you get older and you have
more perspective, you realize like the ways that they were
right or smart about something, and so Dad was right.
This was intended to weaken the family and pull them apart.
And it's kind of a sad moment.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
I think he's at a point where he's starting to
see his parents for as like less of like perfect
humans that can protect him at all times. I feel
like that also is happening at this age where he's
starting to realize like, oh, okay, they're not they can't
do everything, they're not infallible kind of stuff, right, And

(42:37):
then like yeah, but anyway, there's a whole So that's
that's some of the stuff that's happening. So his aunt
is part of is running this just Folks program, So
that's like a whole subplot where his aunt Mary's Rabbi Bengalsdorff,

(42:58):
who is in the Lindbergh White House, and so they're
kind of like a Jewish, a traitor to the Jews.
Like a lot of people don't like him, but you know,
he has his own argument for like why he thinks
it's good it's like better to support lind Burgher that
Lindberg isn't as bad blah blah blah. Anyway, his aunt.

(43:19):
He goes to his aunt basically and was like begging
for her not to send his family to Kentucky. And
he kind of brings up his downstairs neighbor and kind
of like, why can't you send them? And she was like, oh,
do you want me to? Is that your friend? And
then he wants he wanted them to her to send
them and not him, but he just says yes, even

(43:40):
though that's not true, and so they get sent as well.
And so even though his family ends up not going
because they his dad chooses to lose his job rather
than make the transfer, the little boy and his mom
go and then there are some riots and I guess

(44:03):
essentially like a massacre Jesus Christ that his mom gets
caught up in and the little boys like home alone,
and it's it's kind of it is kind of sad
because it's like, oh, you see, like they didn't have
any community because they were there.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
They were just say, it's kind of sad.

Speaker 12 (44:19):
Crazy, Well, it's tough.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
It's it didn't really happen though, it's not real history,
so donting remember that's true.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
But you know, I'll also say it hits harder because
the book wasn't filled with tragedy after freaking tragedy like
so many of the books we read where you just
become numb to it all. Yeah, you don't care anymore
and you're rooting for something worse to happen to the characters.
You're like, good, good, Yeah, this book smartly, it was like,

(45:02):
we'll have them have a pretty normal life, A couple
of little bad things are going to happen, hardships, but
then watch out, something really really kind of sad it's
gonna happen, as Sarah would say.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
A little hey, Clara, I feel like something about this
book is that it felt so much more real than
a lot of the books that we read, which, like
I guess can be true with historical fiction, but like
it genuinely felt like I didn't want to root for

(45:35):
anything bad to happen because it felt like they were
real people, and I don't want bad things to happen
to real people. I guess I don't want them to
happen to characters either, But the characters really bad.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Well, it's based off of characters. I thought his brother
was interesting because he goes to Kentucky and kind of
does get brainwashed a little, but like you know, things
is like, hey, they were nice, they were fine. I
got to eat a bunch of pig meat. It was great,
Like I don't know, it was just such.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
A calling his family ghetto Jews.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Yeah, yeah, like because he's embarrassed of them, which is like,
i mean, like we know what happens. So we're like, hey,
but you're not on the right side of history. But
like as a teenager, you can kind of if you
imagine how you were as a teenager at all, being like, oh,
my family's so embarrassing. It's like taking that multiply it
and at times one hundred because of the setting.

Speaker 4 (46:30):
A little a cool family for a second.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Yeah, so you're just saying, like, eat meat.

Speaker 5 (46:36):
Sarah, he was like right to say what he said.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Yeah, Like I agree, Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say, Miles.
Is that what you wanted?

Speaker 5 (46:41):
No, No, Miles, I haven't think about it all. Cast
Thanks for recommending the book.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
You know, I'm just I'm just joking around with Yeah, okay, are.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
You afraid of what he'll do next?

Speaker 7 (46:53):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (46:54):
Why?

Speaker 1 (46:56):
Now?

Speaker 2 (46:56):
The next submission Miles pays for us to have to
read the Bible or something, and we're.

Speaker 5 (47:01):
Like Miles, at least we'll have funny to make.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
Blake, Blake, please edit that up. Please edit that up, Blake,
I don't want to place that idea and anyone.

Speaker 4 (47:11):
That was my immediate fear.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
I mean it, I mean it. Edit it out.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
That just shows people listen to us. Yeah yeah, but
uh yeah, I I I don't know. I guess going
back to I feel like, uh yeah, my biggest issue
is what Sabrine already said. I didn't like that whole, like, well, well,
maybe Lindbergh was just doing it because of this whoopy doo.
And then I also really didn't like how everything like

(47:40):
he righted the ship by the end. It just felt
h I don't know, that just felt too simple or easy,
or like he'd done all this work to create the
alternative history. Why is it all of a sudden, I
don't know. I guess there's an argument to be made
that like, oh uh, the inevitability of the defeat of
Nazi as a and that's why even if we went askew,

(48:02):
we would come back or I don't know, but uh yeah.

Speaker 5 (48:06):
Well TBD.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
I guess, yep, TV, do we want to talk about
current times? Is Miles requested or I I feel like
the only thing I can say is I guess if
you're comparing him to like Lindberg, it's like Lindbergh, the Yeah,
he was like a celebrity who became president, but he
was like also very well spoken and charming, and at

(48:34):
least once he became president, he didn't say, oh anything
like openly any semitic, Like he toned toned stuff down, so.

Speaker 4 (48:42):
Cele Broth couldn't even imagine that it would be.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's why it's that's why kind
of I think all Lose loses a lot of bike
because you're like, well he did. He could have been
a lot more you know, openly that way, and we
would have been like, yep, sounds about right, sounds like
Americans we know would be like, yeah, are you talling it?
Like it? And like we love it? And that's upsetting

(49:06):
but also true, Uh yeah, I don't know. We're still
in it, so it's kind of hard to reflect back on,
do you know what I mean?

Speaker 15 (49:18):
Like I was just gonna say, like, whenever the book
got to a point where it.

Speaker 16 (49:23):
Was like well, that's a bit of a stretch.

Speaker 17 (49:26):
Oh right, it's not. Kind of was the all the
context I needed for the current you know, administration, and
then you get a little bit sad.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Yeah, it's not not nothing was too much of a stretch.
But I did, like I went into good Reads to
just kind of like see, you know, because we're like, oh,
this is such a highly allowded book. I was like,
what did what did some people say bad about it?
And this was just just a quote from one of them.
By the way, Lindbergh as president is described as flying

(49:59):
and xdreamly fast two engine flighter fighter a luckeed interceptor
on recreational flights over Washington and the Potomac. A plane
by that name didn't exist then, though Lucky later made
an interceptor in the early sixties.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
The USAP pulled.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
The plug on it and it never went into full production,
but it did become a prototype of the Blackbird reconnaissance jet.
Point is this violates one of the accepted tenets of
historical fiction that period details should be accurate. One wonders
how authentic was the author's memoir of his family in
the New York Jewish community.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
Oh my God, and I've got to spin around an
attack this person's memoirs.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Well, I love that I know so much about Blanes
now crumbles.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
That does bring up one of the funnier points of
the book to me, which was that Lindbergh, apparently after
he was elected president, would fly his five hundred mile
per hour plane over Washington, DC every afternoon and people
would go crazy for it, which is like, especially with
how often planes wrecked at that time, It's just like, so.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
I mean, and they do and and so they do
in this gaps.

Speaker 5 (51:13):
Yes, but it was very crazy and unhim.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
I don't think even like drive their own cars. So
I do think that all.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
Was I guess it was like his version of golfing.
But it's like, don't you have paperwork to do? Like
we all have normal jobs, and I definitely don't have
time to fly my plane. I mean just think of
the time involved in that, right, You have to get
out to the airfield, do all the stuff to start
a plane.

Speaker 5 (51:42):
What is that hours? Plane checks fuel?

Speaker 1 (51:45):
Have you watched for the weather.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
Have you watched Nathan Fielders show? Yes, I haven't known, Okay,
So I'm I.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
Do think the president could get someone to do the
checks for it.

Speaker 5 (51:56):
But he's still get to the airy.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
Wait, yeah, I know, still seems like he likes it, though.
You have to understand he likes it though, so he's
if he can make a reason to do it, maybe.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
He would get it on it, just as someone who
like I had cereal for dinner tonight, I haven't exercised
in three years. Like, I don't understand he couldn't have
that much free time.

Speaker 5 (52:23):
That's all.

Speaker 4 (52:24):
I was not helping with the children.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
I can tell you that, yes, yes, yeah, Also it
doesn't seem like he's doing a great job at being
president outside of this, you know.

Speaker 4 (52:36):
Yeah, the country's kind of going to Ellen and.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Everyone's divided.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Wait. Also, sorry, I just went back to Lindberg kidnapping briefly,
and I'm reading that the child's corpse was discovered in
a nearby road. Jason Hopewell township. You said it was
like in their backyard.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
It was, it was on it was very close. It
was within a mile of the house.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
Okay, I feel like this is a this is the
danger of historical Okay, Look, it's a large estate.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
I guess it was felt on their grounds.

Speaker 5 (53:15):
I'm positive.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (53:19):
In the book are in real life.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
This is because in a different fake book.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
Okay, he was found approximately four and a half miles away.
All right, well, look, I read the book a long
time ago. I don't think this is the failure of
the book. I think this is a failure of my memory,
which is famously very bad.

Speaker 4 (53:41):
Oh my god, I'd rather insult yourself on the book.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
It's going back to a larger point that I'm trying
to win against Sarah.

Speaker 5 (53:49):
I mean, I've already won it.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
I don't think that's everybody thinks that's true.

Speaker 5 (53:55):
No, I know they don't.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Oh god, what's the book's name? By the way, Johnny,
I feel.

Speaker 10 (54:03):
Like called then the Lindbergh you did, Nan was called
The Lindbergh Nanny, which is a book I started reading accidentally,
I swear around the same time that I myself hired
a nanny for the first time.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Oh no.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
And then I was like, oh no, what if she
thinks this is something I'm doing out.

Speaker 5 (54:23):
Of fear of her Christ? So I buried it under
a pile of other books. But that might have even
been more suspicious. One day it's out.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
The next day it's like it has a dust cover
on it.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
Wow, he went to Sidwell Friends linn Bergh.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
What is it? Oh, is this one of the private
schools that you know about from your wife?

Speaker 1 (54:45):
It's a private school I know about from someone I
worked with. Oh, okay, it's near where Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Oh it's Quaker a.

Speaker 16 (54:56):
Kid who went there, but he went to my school
because he got expect from there.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
It is Quaker, yes, yeah, yeah? And Bethesda.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
Wow with the friends.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Interesting and he shares a birthday with Meg different year,
different year.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Yeah, Well, a lot of New Jersey representation. Well, I
don't know. I'm sorry. I don't think I have anything
else to say about this. Montes any money.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
I it was.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
This was a hard book for me, truly. It just
it's a great book. If this is the type of
book you want to read, is really what I think,
And I get. I kind of think that that complaint
that that person had about that plane almost betrays the
research that he did do because he knew that it

(55:52):
existed in some form, Like if I understood her comment correctly,
is like it never took flight. But it's like he's
so in the depths of the research that he's finding
this plane that didn't take flight and maybe he just
kind of liked the name of the plane, or.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Yeah it doesn't bother me because I'm like, maybe he
says in his alternative history starting in nineteen, you know,
thirty nine, it did take you know what I mean.
I don't know. That doesn't bother me so much. It's
like impressive enough.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
Well it all bothered me.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
The faith, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
I do more so think that this book is more
of just like a coming of age story. And I
feel like if you come into it knowing that and
that like, oh, it's an interesting setting for it to me,
it is it sells or not sells it, But it's
not like misleading. That's a good read, because I do
think it was a sweet like or yeah, like I

(56:48):
liked the Little Boy.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
Like the swastick on the cover really doesn't make you
think you're following in America.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
There is the plot is like something mentioned towards the
end and is not even like real. It's all just
like maybe somebody thinks this might have happened. So it's
like it's a little misleading.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
But who is America if not our nation's children, the
ten year olds.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Yeah, I'm actually coming around on it more because it's
it's also like, yeah, that's what happens is when a
fascist leader takes over, Like people unfortunately just kind of
have to go about their daily lives.

Speaker 5 (57:28):
That is true.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
You'd have to think about like this isn't a joke,
Like you are thinking about things like your stamp collection
day to day. But the overall thing that's going on
in the country is like infesting everything that happens.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
That is yes, yeah, that's true. And like within the book,
one of the things you noticed is that like are
they brought up is kind of like the Jews turning
against other Jews because like they don't want to be
associated with like a Jew being that the government and
like that was a big issue because like the FBI
was following his cousin and then his dad, and that

(58:05):
was like part of the reason the dad was fired
from the grocery store, even though it was run by you.
Like they were like we just don't want to be associated,
you know. And I do feel like that kind of
stuff kind of happens to this day. I don't know,
I don't want to talk about a ton of current
events because I don't think that's usually our vibe. But yeah,

(58:26):
there was like there's like a recent New York Times
article I read about like like some plant and I
don't I can't remember. I want to say Nebraska, but
I'm sure that's not the right time. But like there
was an ice raid and like fifty percent of the
workers there were, you know, either taken away or they
were too scared to return because of the raid. And

(58:49):
then like production plummeted like seventy percent, and it's just
like insane, and they're just like the owner was just like, yeah,
I can't hire anyone. Nobody wants this, these these jobs
like that's and and you know, like we were doing
everything right, like they were using they had they were

(59:09):
using like so stolen social Security or whatever, so like
they passed the checks. But it's like, I don't know,
I'm so afraid of this happening again. I don't know
what to do. And so like you can see them
definitely starting to like probably, you know, not hire anybody
that they think, oh you know, they have they come
from this descent, they have this accent, like I'm afraid

(59:30):
they might be illegal, Like I don't know, you could
you can easily see where that kind of stuff starts
to the slippery slope happens. And this is so fun though,
you guys, I'm drinking a margarita. It's a June shine.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Yeah, and whatever.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
Well, you know, I think just I guess on to
Sabrina's point of like whatever is going on in the world,
whatever is going on in your life, like things do
just kind of carry on, like you do. Think about
your little stamp collection, and yeah, I remember this year.
You know, it's been a tough year for a lot
of people. But there was like a morning I took
an early morning walk and I was just up early

(01:00:17):
walking the dog and just like six o'clock.

Speaker 5 (01:00:20):
In the morning, you know, you see people outside.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
Like opening up their stores and their restaurants and like
loading in boxes getting the early morning delivery. Like sometimes
there's just something just seeing other people just like going
on because they have to because it's like it's six
o'clock and the bodega opens at six.

Speaker 5 (01:00:37):
O'clock, so I'm unloading boxes.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
That You're just like, okay, yeah, I also can go
do the things I need to do today.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
Yeah, yeah, just.

Speaker 5 (01:00:48):
Pick up this dog shit, you know, first thing is
what I'm gonna do.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Did you have to get it tested?

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
No, I didn't, just had to pick it up like
a good citizen ways do unless I forgot a dog
bag and then I desperately search for one or for
trash on that I have done more times than i'd
like to say.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Oh, that bag looks pretty clean, so that oh's bag.

Speaker 5 (01:01:18):
Oh yeah, someone was eating out of that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
That's fine.

Speaker 5 (01:01:21):
I'll put my hand.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
That's good. That's good enough for the poop.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
This is an ad for cats, everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
No way, No, I never would say that.

Speaker 15 (01:01:30):
I would never missing it is like I love the
dog so much, I don't care if I'm putting the
hand in a mystery bag to pick up there.

Speaker 5 (01:01:37):
Yeah, it's nothing. I don't It's not like I live.
Poop in my house or get.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
A backyard, get a bag. I don't live. Yeah, I
would never want to live with ship in my house,
just hanging out. You sh well, the ship goes a
cat one is supposed to use the ball.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
Cats use a toilet, their toilet.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
It's not a toilet, it's something you put your feet
in a definition of hands, your hands, you anything.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
Could be a toilet. The ground could be a toilet.
Based on your definition.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
Listen in desperate times a mesh trash can could become one.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
I don't like this at all.

Speaker 4 (01:02:18):
I'm just saying, well, for craziest place everyone's.

Speaker 5 (01:02:22):
Peace the street in London on New Year's even an alley.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
And then I watched a bunch a bunch of other
women were doing it because there were no bathrooms. And
then I watched a woman behind me, who was really drunk,
reach down and grab a scrap of paper from the
ground and use it to wipe.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
And I said, no, that is sad, all right? Should
we do good? You can't ask the question.

Speaker 5 (01:02:51):
I jump in.

Speaker 4 (01:02:54):
Sorry there was moving us along, dammit.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
I'm sorry. Go ahead, you want to say?

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
What do you want to say?

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
Clara politely asked a question everyone, Please don't be rude.

Speaker 5 (01:03:07):
Weirdest place you've ever pee? Go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
I feel like it was just to you. I didn't
have I didn't feel it was a question for us.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
All she did say everyone, and I believe I did.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
I was choosing to.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
I mean, just to clarify. If my answer wasn't the
mesh trash can, that would be like if I had
a worst place than I had gone to the bathroom.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
I don't know in my bed, that's embarrassing.

Speaker 5 (01:03:38):
The other ones were fun.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Yeah, okay, I was pregnant.

Speaker 16 (01:03:45):
In high School'd hang out at the seven eleven and
there was like.

Speaker 4 (01:03:49):
An alley people would go to pee in when you
needed to pee.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
But I was not.

Speaker 4 (01:03:56):
Going to the right place and was just pissing in
someone's I was.

Speaker 17 (01:03:59):
Like, guess this is where everyone's going and there they've
been calling this an alley?

Speaker 5 (01:04:03):
What was this?

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
You went to a seven eleven up front, you hang out,
there were no bathrooms and but you were there so long.

Speaker 4 (01:04:14):
Yeah, you'd sort of have.

Speaker 16 (01:04:15):
Like one little water bottle of vodka that you pass
around or something.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
It's a disaster you were drinking.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
Okay, where were the seven eleven?

Speaker 4 (01:04:26):
Inside the seven eleven? Do you hang out outside of it?
Did other people want to do this?

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
I didn't. But speaking of last night, we ran into
a wine store in New Hampshire to buy a bottle
of wine and I had forgotten my ID and I
felt like they were going to carve me, so I
was like, I should just go out to the car,

(01:04:52):
and Meg was like she didn't understand what I was saying,
so she was just loudly like, no, come to the
counter with me, and I was like, well, there's no
escaping this now, and then the woman was like, nope,
can't sell it to you. Meg had her ID and
I was like, I have a photo of my ID
and then she was like nope, that doesn't do it.
I was like, can I leave and she's like nope,

(01:05:13):
that's too late. And I was like, okay, don't sell
us this bottle of wine because you think I might
be under twenty one. I was so mad. But then
we went back today to get the bottle of wine
because we're getting as a thank you for uh Andrew.
They we're taking care of our cats. Well, the prices
are so good, and I had my ID. They scanned

(01:05:37):
it and she was like that sound means this is
a fake ID, and I was like, it's not.

Speaker 4 (01:05:42):
No, no, she remembered you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
No, it was a different lady, and she was actually
like nice. But she was like, I'll scan it again,
but that's the sound of not a valid ID. And
I was like, this is my real ID that I
was just bullied by the government into getting so that
I can fly on an airplane without my passport. And
I go and then she was like, do you have
your other idea? I was like, what do you mean

(01:06:07):
my other ide like my passport to buy a bottle
of wine and it was Firth certificate.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Did she scan it? What happened when she scanned it again?

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
It made the sound like it was fake? And I
mean she believed me that I was thirty six years old.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
She was, but she did like a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
She was like, you'rekly, I believe you. Otherwise I have
to confiscate this. And I was like, what would I
do if on my way, like the start of a
seven hour five you confiscate my actual driver's license in
a state that I don't like it so passed?

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Yeah? I would want to call and be like why
was I trying? Why would did this not work? New York?
Like what? I don't know. Somebody's got to know that
that's happening, because that's really fucked up.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
I'm gonna make some calls.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
Okay, good, good.

Speaker 7 (01:06:55):
Good, Alright, you guys ready for five star?

Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
Good if you can find any.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
Claire, did you grab any or we're gonna go?

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
Okay, I guess my fine, I've got one.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
I found one and it says the entire review has
been hidden because of spoilers.

Speaker 5 (01:07:24):
People are a coward.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
I'm gonna press, I'm gonna press show full review and
it says I cannot tell a lie George Washington. I
I don't get it. I don't know why that happens.
That's great.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
I don't get it, but I don't need it. I
like it actually good.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
It was interesting, it was an interesting.

Speaker 16 (01:07:49):
A lot of people praising it, and so it's nice
to get up crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Watch someone who's crazy. Yeah, somebody said.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
The New York Times has two Philip Roth's Rip novels
on their list of one hundred best novels of the
twenty first century, The Human Stain in the Plot against America.
Many Roth fans do not think this is one of
his top books, but I do, and it remains very
relevant to the rise of fascism in the US and
everywhere else. And then he basically just talks about the
book for a while, no reason to go into that,

(01:08:22):
and then he recommends some other things, and then it says,
it really can't happen here, Kennett, who are the craziest
rising to or already in power? Okay, I don't even
understand that last question, but sort to get.

Speaker 4 (01:08:34):
What he's generally going for. But the wording sort of.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
Yeah, there's a lot of people five stars. Oops. I
never wrote a review of this work, this book, I
must have read it before being a Good Reads member.
A loss that Roth has retired from writing. But I
can understand. Let the guy relax. She wrot three and
he was dead.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
I'm laughing at this because, like, what, what's the scenario
that led this person to writing this review?

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
Were they?

Speaker 7 (01:09:05):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
I wonder what exactly I said in my review of it?
Let me look it up.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
Why it's there's one more sentence and he just she
she just says. Lie Walters says his contribution to contemporary
fiction has been well beyond amazing. And that's it. So
it was. It was an unnecessary review. I would say,
you know, I love it, didn't need it, didn't we
love it? All right?

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
I tell some of these good readers, you know, speak
when spoken to could be a little all right, just
like when the kids were little in this book, probably
was a little rule they probably had.

Speaker 5 (01:09:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
How did did the how about this one more question?
Read the book? Did the mother and father remind anybody
of their own mother and father?

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
Yeah, no, no, I was wondering if that's what turned
us all into stuff because I was like, I don't know.
It just seemed like, wow, these are such good parents
trying to do the right thing. I don't. I love
my parents, but I don't really you.

Speaker 3 (01:10:12):
Know, sort of turned into a huge insult on the
back end of that comment. So I will say I
love my parents. I love I love my mom very much.
They're great parents. They did remind me of the parents
in this book. They did not for many various different
kinds of reasons.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
Okay, I just thought like the dad was so like
righteous and like trying to do the right thing and
like making decisions that maybe were or like he was
always trying to be like morally correct in a way
that I was like, I don't recognize.

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
The only thing I kind of recognized was when the
dad got like really loud at the dinner at one
of the Washington cafeterias, and the almost like.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Yeah, yeah, that was nice, just like it go and
he was like no answer.

Speaker 5 (01:11:05):
I was like maybe a little.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Yeah that is a good that was a good dad moment.

Speaker 18 (01:11:12):
That was something that was I found very refreshing after
all of the books that we read where it's like
the husband is nice and cares about them, decent to
the woman.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
The cheating subplot, where was the hot he's a murderer?
Is he a murderer? Yeah? It's confusing. What we usually
somebody was just good heart over the place. All right,
we have alright, I guess it's time for our hate rates. Okay, okay,

(01:11:52):
I'll start. I'm gonna give it a four point five
out of five. I probably would have given a five
out of five when I first read in two thousand
and six, but you know, time has passed, and like
I said, it doesn't hit the same but it's long,
but I thought it was still very very good for
a mean book club book. For a point five out.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
Of five, I'm gonna go three out of five. I
think I could even go lower. Honestly, as a book,
I mean, it's world's above any mean book club book.
I lept, of course the secret My god does this?

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Then? What is it? Why are you giving you a
three out of five?

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
It's it's a little bit to our recommender. Okay, you
know I'm sticking it to you, Miles. This book is
too good for us to have read, I think, and
I think it was very well written, but it wasn't
for me, So it does lose points for like, just

(01:12:53):
my personal rating is not gonna be that high. I
don't want my algorithm to start feeding me more things
like this. I do not want that. Also, there was
one stray weird scene in the book that Oh, I.

Speaker 3 (01:13:11):
Was going to say the National Geographic No, no, no,
it was the ann when he gets a little tiny
little boy heart.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
Yeah, he's like.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
Hugging his aunt and he talks about his acorn penis
feeling it. Oh, I didn't need that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
I don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
And also I don't then, because like everything was written
in such a realistic way, and I thought that that
was done so well that I was like, oh my god,
do little boys hugging their aunts get erections?

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
And now? And I need to know that. I needed
to know that because I have two little boys and
I needed I just needed to be told that to
be I just need to be away.

Speaker 5 (01:13:52):
Took it upon him my expectation set.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
I need my expectations set.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
I didn't ever want that information.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
Now, whether it's true the little boy, you could have
a little boy someday, Sabrina, you're gonna need to know
about as a lake, I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
I don't, I I don't and I.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
Even think about it all Sorry, we'll say Also, you're like,
this is oh my god, I mean a straight child,
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
Oh no, Oh, you're right, that would be that would
be the disappointing part.

Speaker 5 (01:14:29):
It's everyone's worst nightmare.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
I know. It's like, oh, not your uncle, your Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
So that's where it lost points for me, and sure, okay, yeah,
and it just had no business being here. Who does
it think it is being on Meme Book Club.

Speaker 5 (01:14:50):
I'm gonna say that Clara should go next.

Speaker 18 (01:14:57):
All right, interesting, I think I'm gonna do a three
and a half out of five.

Speaker 4 (01:15:02):
It was boring to me.

Speaker 17 (01:15:07):
I think that some of the details, like are you
kidding me?

Speaker 4 (01:15:11):
Stamp collection? Can we pick something like slightly more interesting?

Speaker 19 (01:15:15):
Like I feel like baseball cards would be a little
bit more interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:15:19):
I feel like.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
For you, for any way, Claire, you're gonna slowly.

Speaker 4 (01:15:25):
Talk about a tiny picture. Describe a tiny picture to me.
When they did sightseeing.

Speaker 19 (01:15:31):
In DC, It's like, well, what could be more boring
than sightseeing in DC is having someone recounted. So I
don't feel like you did himself any favors with the details.
That could have been slightly more interesting. It was boring
and it was long.

Speaker 4 (01:15:51):
But it was a real book.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
So I get some points for that. Yeah, I get
some points for that, Alright, I got you.

Speaker 5 (01:16:00):
I think three point five sounds right.

Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
If I weren't already reading it for me and book
club and kind of predisposed to already sort of be
mad that I'm reading it, I think it could have
scored higher. This is a book that honestly really deserves
a long, leisurely.

Speaker 5 (01:16:20):
Listen like that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:21):
You're just kind of I think this book has some
moments that you could really sit in and let it
like impact you. But you know, I wasn't going to
allow for that, and so that hurt the book. And
that is Philip Roth's fault, and the stamps are what
took it down at least a point, if not the

(01:16:44):
entire one point five points.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
Wow, I can't believe it. Nobody's talking about how said
they were about the burden.

Speaker 3 (01:16:51):
I do want to say I want to circle back
away from Burton again and not ever talk about the
Burton thing again.

Speaker 5 (01:17:00):
And I do want to circle back to Miles and.

Speaker 3 (01:17:03):
Say I do appreciate the recommend because I think this
was a really different book.

Speaker 5 (01:17:11):
I think it adds a lot to the season.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
I think we've got to have a good one in
every now and again and Power Cleanser and you know what,
I actually think it did kind of give us a
lot to discuss, such as whether this was historical fiction
or an alternate reality fiction?

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
Okay, and what what would.

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
We determined that this is an alternate reality fiction as
opposed to the Lindberg this is ridiction.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
I think we determined they're both historical fiction, and just
that also the plot against America as like a subgenre
of historical fiction. It's an alternate so like.

Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
You can edit that out and just leave it, like
leave it on them when I say, like, like it
sounds like a mic.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
That's ridiculous. It's not gonna fit.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
It's gonna imagine and Blake, that was a joke at
it and you can keep.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
All right, guys, I guess it's time for a little
fucker of the cast. All right, I'll go first. It's Johnna. Yeah, uh,
Jonna trying to trying to bring in this other book,
talking about it for a while. He's just saying she
doesn't like historical fiction, when clearly she gets off on

(01:18:27):
it when it's about a little baby being bird.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
Jonah, Okay, obviously mine is Sarah. I had so many
details from the book correct. And then instead of just
listening to the cast and talking like a person, she
was like secretly the entire time trying to catch me
on something I got wrong, so she could jump in
with like, oh, by the way, did you say the
baby was found.

Speaker 5 (01:18:49):
On the estate.

Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
Actually it sounds like he was found in a neighboring township.

Speaker 5 (01:18:55):
So I didn't care for that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:57):
I don't care for the little fact check I did.
I especially didn't care that she was right. That made
me even more.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
Yeah, did that happen?

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
Did she do that?

Speaker 4 (01:19:07):
More than once?

Speaker 5 (01:19:11):
I didn't look it up.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
What it happened? It didn't, It just I was happened.
Information came across my eyes and I had to bring
it up because it was different than what was told
to me.

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
I too, am gonna have to vote for Sarah, And well, okay,
here's what happened. I was getting vulnerable. I prefaced a
statement with, look, I know this is going to make
me sound really dumb and Clara. The statement was basically
that I had no idea who Charles Limberg was it's
just not information that was I knew it was a

(01:19:43):
person who was in history. Could I have told you
a single thing about the man? No? And I revealed
that information, but I prefaced it with like, this is
going to make me sound dumb. And then Sarah was
basically like, Jesus.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
You do not know.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
And then she was like ashamed of me and embarrassed
for me all at once.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
And then she she like me into.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
She was like, do you prefer history about X Y Z?
And I was like, no, I just don't like history there.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
Well, you said, you know who Amelia Earhart was, that's what.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
Well everyone knows who Amelia Earhart is.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
Okay, well some people, all right, you know what? Yeah, okay,
I was very late.

Speaker 16 (01:20:38):
But there's a lot of evidence against Sarah. And she
didn't really get into the peepee question, which.

Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
Is, oh yeah, like a tangent.

Speaker 16 (01:20:51):
She not only didn't participate, but when she did participate,
she was very dismissive, like, just like, you're insulting the
whole premise of having a peepe tangent.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
So I'm good, all right, Fine, maybe some of us
just don't have an interesting place we Pete apparently I
think one of them.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
To look, I'm trying to get back to the book.
All right, the cat.

Speaker 5 (01:21:22):
This season is looking good for old Jabo.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
This is maybe the first one, but you still got
a vote. Okay, Johnna, you didn't get it. Way on skate,
Get up, get three? All right?

Speaker 1 (01:21:36):
Well, and the prettiest princess us this is the last
I think it should be me today one of because
she ousted herself from it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:48):
This is and I long oust yourself for itsane.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
This is also just you can't say.

Speaker 4 (01:21:57):
You're going to get it, sot know.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
Nobody gets it. Nobody, nobody gets it, nobody wanted it.

Speaker 16 (01:22:05):
Princess.

Speaker 5 (01:22:07):
We do this instead of judge a book by its cover.
It's unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
It's ridiculous for this.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
We could do judge a book by its cover. This
had a swastika on it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
Yeah, we was. It made it feel like it was
a different book, that's for sure. It made it feel.

Speaker 1 (01:22:22):
Like it was scarier, yet way in a different way.

Speaker 20 (01:22:29):
Yeah, a little a little more slow burn okay, scrap
that line. Yeah, well perhaps, yes, you're right slowly being
burned alive. All right, so please, uh Patreon become a patron.
If you have any suggestions, please email us. Please check
out us on all of our socials. And next week,

(01:22:56):
what the.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
Fuck are we reading? Next week? Guys? Okay, and next
week what are we reading?

Speaker 6 (01:23:04):
Who?

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
By bye, Sir Spencer Johnson.

Speaker 16 (01:23:11):
She like I was seeing it so slow that you
could have gotten on my pattern.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
It's too slow. My brain doesn't work like that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:24):
Painful it was it was like it was like by
Spencer Johnson.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
I wanted to move on from it. I didn't want
to keep talking about the book. Okay, well you have
to talk about it so much? Next next episode. All right,
we're so excited. So thank you for joining us. What
so thank.

Speaker 5 (01:23:42):
You for so.

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
Goodbye show, so Patreon, so socials.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
So show guys, get let's get the funk out of here.
Bye bye.

Speaker 3 (01:24:07):
Takes the t

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
Takes the count

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