Brigitte Barclay

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Episode Transcript

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Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to MeanwhileHere on Earth. This program features in
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with your in trepid host, veteraninvestigative writer and researcher, Peter Robbins.

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And welcome or welcome back to MeanwhileHere on Earth with your host me,
Peter Robbins. I think many ofyou are probably preparing today for tomorrow's Fourth
of July celebrations. Our show todayis pre recorded because today July third,

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which is in the future for meright now, I will be flying back
from Roswell, New Mexico. No, it will be my last day in
Roswell, New Mexico before flying backon the fourth of July. Don't even
ask, It's just the way itworked out. A very special guest today,
a dear friend of mine going backmore than twenty five years, who

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I have not seen in some years. Bridget Barclay, also previously known as
Bridget Grant, is one of theUK's highest profile UFO witnesses and contactees.
Bridget has worked with some of theworld's leading alien abduction researchers, including Bud
Hopkins, doctor John mac Roger Learand Dolores Cannon. She has collaborated extensively

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with former Ministry of Defense official NickPope, and her story has been featured
in national daily UK newspapers including TheSun and The Daily Mail, as well
as in a variety of TV showsand documentaries. And it is a pleasure
to welcome you hear from your undisclosedlocation somewhere in the United king deep underground

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Kingdom. Hello, Pizza, Hi, there a gay Hi. It's great
to see you again, my dearit today it is hot in England.
The summer has begun, I dobelieve. And what a wonderful day for
you to be going back home toIthaca tomorrow, your Fourth of July.

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Fantastic, How amazing to be aroundfriends and family for you. What a
beautiful day. I love fourth ofJuly. Now. One of the things
for me that the distinguishes you inthis field as an experiencer, as an
abductee, as a scholar, ishow open and public you have been about

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your experiences going back to a timewhen very few people were and what I'd
like to do to begin is sortof a preoccupation I have in general with
this show, something that informed itfrom the very first show, going back
to my childhood, which is howdo people that we know or think we

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know in public life become the peoplethey are? And of course it all
begins at the beginning. Can yougive us a little idea of how things
started for you? Where were youborn? For starters? I was born
in Oxford in nineteen seventy so thatmainly makes me straight. And then we

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moved the couple of years later toa little place called Limpstone in Devon,
So yeah, born in Oxford,England. I have to say, in
somewhere between twenty and twenty five visitsto the UK, I have only visited
Devon once and it stays in mymind very strongly because it's you know better
than most people. It is notlike the rest of the United Kingdom.

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In fact, what caught me completelyoff guard. You know, you hear
these things, that you read them, but then you're there and it's it
registers more viscerally because you are themost southern point in the United Kingdom,
and because of the Gulf Stream thatruns just below, it's incredibly tempered,

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so much so my jaw dropped thefirst time I saw a palm tree there.
It was you know, they're there. Not to mention the wildlife.
The terrain is absolutely beautiful. It'syou know, so a and history to
put up mildly, like like somuch of England is. I would imagine

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it was a great place to growup. At least that was my impression.
You know, can you tell usa little bit about your parents,
your family and you're growing up inDevon? Uh huh yeah. When he
when he said about the palm trees, I think it's sort of I think
that like the Victorians bought lots ofpalm trees, because we've got some beautiful,
very Victorian gardens all around, andyou've got what we call the English

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Riviera, which is down your correctit is in Devon, it's down the
Torquaye Band Talquaye Painting, and itis a bit bizarre to see them and
the fact that even though we havereally harsh winters here in England, they
still survive it. But then youdo get lots of people that they wrapped
the tops of their palms so frostdoesn't get to them in the winter.

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So that's you know, but yeah, you're right, it is quite a
palm tree, right. So um, Yeah, my family, my family,
My mum was came from Belgium.She came from Antwerp. My dad
came from Oxford. They met whenmy mum's mum had a pub in Antwerp

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and my dad was in the RF. My dad couldn't speak any English,
my mum couldn't speak any Flemish.They eloped, came to England, got
two brothers, Paul and Tony,both artists. My dad became a potter
and a sign writer, a traditionalsign writer, and my mum had as

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you say, it's sort of likein England's quite quite We had the traditional
thatched cottage. And I said itto you on another interview that the thatched
cottage my mum had. The sittingroom was our delicate was done up as
a delicatessen, had a counter init had all the slamy for hands.
My mum used to go over toBelgium. We had an old little sambie

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Malpine. We used to sounds reallybad, but It's like we used to
smuggle all the food and the mayonnaiseand all the sausages and everything into the
car and come back. But yeah, so so everyone knew my mum.
They knew it was a little sweetshop as well in Limpston people. So
yeah, my mum was just mumand dad was sort of like the heart
of the village really and um,yeah, I had a fantastic childhood growing

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up in a in a very quaintlittle village. Yeah, up to no
good as you usually are back then. Thankfully we didn't have the computers or
anything like that. But you know, you'd be out all day playing,
you'd make new friends when that's whensummers were long or they felt that,
you know, the holidays were long. Um. Yeah, very creative.

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I was bought very creative as achild. Yeah. You know, as
we move along in life and youlearn about other people's lives and you compare
notes about your childhood. If you'reforty enough like you were, and I
were, to have a happy childhood, an opportunity to dream big, to

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you know, not have to takeon the adult world before you need to
or have to. Um, it'sit's incalculable, how that assists you through
more challenging times as you grow older, and UM, it gives you something

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to fall back on that's priceless.Um. When you were a little girl,
UM, you know, let's saybetween five and ten years old,
were there any particular dreams that youhad or ways that you saw yourself in
the future. M I don't thinkso, I don't. And I never

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wanted There wasn't something that you know, I wanted to be and then became.
Um, I didn't have No,I didn't have a dream to say
that I wanted to do this andI wanted to do that. But I
knew which way my life was goingto go as I was younger, because
it was down the psychic route.Because as much as I didn't you know,

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I was growing up by having encounterswith at the time. I didn't
realize the Chinese girl in the gazebofor later, but I was having paranormal
experiences. So when you're growing up, you're taking that on board as well.
UM. And you know, Ispoke to my dad about my encounters,

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you know, and my dad,like I said, was very creative.
He never told me that silly,but you know, silly, So
I grew up, but how achild should grow up having fun in the
garden making things, going in thepotter of dad, you know, making
making little things and painting and playing, making tree houses and things, so,

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you know, really creative. SoI think when you have paranorl paranormal
experiences growing up, it doesn't justshut that door unless unless you've gone down
a different path, you know,whether well, I mean there's there's the
good and the bad and everything isn'tthere. But I went down the professional

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way of sitting and working with mediumsor um you know, like like the
Monroe Institute, the Gateway Experiences,you know, a later on in life,
I went into the had all ofthe audios to see these for that
and went down that part. SoI've always it didn't have um a um.

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There wasn't a job that I wantedto do, but I just know
maybe this is my job in someway. It was about still keeping the
connection between that world, you know, and it's easily forgotten, as you
know, when you've got to thinkof mortgages, car TACs, children growing
up, you can blank it alloff, but it was always still there

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for me. So yeah, Soagain for a lot of our viewers and
listeners. Some of them are experiencersand abductees, others not. Can you
give us an idea of what kindof non standard things you were experiencing as

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a girl that well, give usan idea of some of the paranormal experiences
you were having as a young person. Well, paranormal experience is always fun.
There's always an element of fun withit. So you he has waited

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for that next something to happen,and the more it happened, the more
that you the more that well,I mean, when you're young, it's
really hard to question lots of thingsbecause those questions aren't in your head at
that point, because you'll do you'retoo young, so you're very sore.
So I suppose you think on achild basis, like I said to about

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the Chinese girl and the gazebo,which you'll talk about next. But as
a child, I used to lovegoing out of my body and floating above
my bed and looking in my room. That was the thing to do,
you know, And you know peoplepeople say, well, you know,
how did you do that? Ijust remember doing it once, going back

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into the next night, thinking right, come on, how did I do
it? How did I do it? Think about it? How did I
do it? And I would doit again. It wouldn't happen all the
time, but I learned that techniqueof I could hear when I could parents
come up the stairs or something.So it's like back into your body again,
you know, And it actually feltthat you had left your body because

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you can see yourself down there.And I've had out of body experiences as
I've got older, and you're sortof like connecting to you up there.
You're subconscious, your higher self,but yet you can see yourself down here
as well. So all of mypsychic stuff what I started off as a

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child has just continued. So asan experience, that would be that playing
playing that game of going out journeyout of the body. Also also what
did come up under buds hypnosis BudHopkins hypnosis when I went to Budds in

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ninety eight and where I met yourgood self. But we spent up I
think it's a five day six daysone way, I think with me and
Nick Pope. Yeah, lovely.And that's where I said to you that
I remember Bud's apartment. It wasamazing and the artwork and I said to
I remember, you know, beingan awe of Bud's work, and like

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there's one called the Guardian, andobviously coming from a from a creative background,
my dad been an illustrated thing,you know. I just was telling
Bud about my dad and you know, and the sign writing and just seeing
it from a different perspective, youknow, because it was very bold,

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bold, bold prince that Budd haddone. And I said to you,
I remember then got his book,which I absolutely love, his book about
his artwork, Life of Artwork.So the Chinese Girl, I would say,
would have been the when I knewthat something was different. Yet again,
you could have like the the whatI class as the little people that

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came up under hypnosis, that Iwas the little people I told you about
the other day. They were inthe garden at my friend's house. But
also I had the little people thatused to come to my window sill in
this house that I used to goout of my body and on my bed,
and Matt came up under the hypnosiswith Buds, and then I was
like the penny drop, okay,and the man at the bottom of the

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garden. But the Chinese girl wouldprobably be the most strangest one with the
man at the bottom of the garden. That was a very different paranormal experience
for me. Bridget early on,did you try to or did you talk
to your parents your brothers about theseexperiences, and if so, what were

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their reactions. Yeah, I don'trecall talk I possibly did. I possibly
would have said, I've met agirl and you know, I'm going to
go back and meet her tomorrow.I don't recall that conversation at all,
because that's obviously when I was atsix seven. I don't recall, and
it wasn't something I kept bringing upthat the man at the bottom of the
garden. Everybody in the family knewthat he was there, and it was

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funny because my brother had a partyover Christmas and his friends came up.
I haven't seen for you know,since I lived in London, and you
know, when I was back twentytwo awhile ago. And his name is
Andy, and Andy has followed allof my UFO encounters. So he used

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to work for the Daily Mail andhe used to follow off my encounters and
he was he said to me,I remember the man at the bottom of
the garden. You telling me abouthim? And asked me and Paul running
after him trying to get him.So so both my brothers have had UFO

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encounters. My daughter has had theUS phone encounters. My elder Sonayan has
had uf phone counters with me andwith some of his friends on separate occasions.
Mom and Dad don't know if theydid. Yeah, but my brothers
definitely knew about the man at thebottom of the garden. Definitely. Oh

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and obviously when I had my biguf phone counter in Los Angeles and Brentwood,
then it's then it's like I comeback as I might as well have
come back as an alien. Momsays, mayh, my god, you've
changed. It's like, well,yeah, you it's like having it's like
having a probably the most amazing insome ways. Don't take this this way,

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but like it's like having a religiousawakening that having that encounter on the
freeway, because I mean, ohmy god, I said that. We
will get to that later. Butin retrospect, you know, I'm thinking
of so many accounts that people haveshared with me over the years where one

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of the greatest factors is my momdidn't believe me. My father told me,
oh, honey, you just thoughtyou saw that. But it couldn't
because that isn't real, and youknow, you have a wonderful imagination.
You didn't have to deal with anyof that negation usually based on the adults

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own anxiety of oh my gosh,if this is really happening, I can't
let on that I'm anxious about it, and frankly, I'm just so uncomfortable
with the subject. I want todiscourage my kid. I love them,
but I can't take this seriously becauseif you didn't have to deal with that,
and I think it's again built ona happy childhood, being an inquisitive

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kid, not being stifled or youknow, told that your role was such
and such because you were a girlrather than a boy. You grew into
it and it was something that wasnot fraught with terror. It was in
you know, a tremendous curiosity,just the opposite. What I'm trying to
say is you are an archetype ofsomebody in who has addressed this and experienced

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it in as good a mental healthsituation with as much support and goodwill as
possible, and as we know,that could make the differ. Yeah,
of course, yeah, and Iyeah, I am very fortunate in that
way. Yeah, do you rememberwhat it was, and it could have
been anywhere in there when you firststarted to be aware of so called the

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UFO phenomena per se in the media, in books, in movies, and
tied it somehow in with your experiencesin fact, what was the how what
was the first conscious UFO siding thatyou ever had? Kay, well,

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there's a few questions and that inwhat he's given me. So yeah.
So um as in the media,well, it wasn't the media we had
in England. We had three channelson the TV at the time, so
you know that was the only mediaor the radio, wasn't it? Um

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as of as of something that Ireally did like watching as a child was
a thing called Logan's Run. AndLogan's Run was Michael York and he had
a crystal on his hand. Iremember that, Yeah, And he had
runners and there was a lady calledJessica in it, and I named Jessica

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Jessica from Logan's Run. So Iused to like that. And I can't
remember. That must have been likethe very sort of like mid mid seventies.
Um, yeah, because it wasa series and then it came out
as a film, So yeah,I think it was the film that I

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remember mostly because then it was abit like Clash of the Titans at one
point, because there was sort oflike sort of like grease and you had
the guy with the big white beard. I can't remember his name now,
but yeah, I really liked thatthat film. So that was the meat
that you know, there was nothingon it, you know, there wasn't
anything on the telly really. Butso as as an UFO encounter, I'd

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never put the Chinese girl in thegazebo as a UFO encounter. I put
it down as a very strange paranormalexperience that I couldn't explain because because it
was just me witnessing it. Itwasn't like I was having a ghost encounter

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and I was somewhere and I couldtell somebody I've just seen this person here,
described that person, and that personthen felt say to me, ah,
that's where my nan died, andyou've you know, you've just you
know, described her totally, Sothen that's validating that. So it wasn't
until obviously, after I had thebig encounter in Los Angeles on the freewaywood

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that then everything went together. Ihad a UFO experience with my old boyfriend
Billy in England. Now when wespoke um last week. Obviously I have
kept everything. I have kept lettersthat back in the day that used to

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write to somebody. I have thereplies from that that person that wrote back
to me. So it'd be theold move bonds. It would be like
I've said to you, I've gotWalt and Dream on a tape because I
recorded the conversation that I had withhim on the phone, and that was

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about ninety six ninety seven. Youknow, all my you know, getting
back in touch with Bud, workingwith Dolores, backwards and forth with John
Mack from Harvard, so many peopleand so many English based people here like

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Ken Phillips that really helped me,is the first person I really got in
contact with. So it wasn't reallylike it was like I said that I
had to have that encounter out inLos Angeles put everything together, even though
I'd had an encounter in England aUFO counter. Of course, it was

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an extraordinary UFO encounter because it happenedin a room, which is quite bizarre.
But as you know, alls comeinto the room, you know,
you can have anything that will manifestinto a room. It can be absolutely
anything. So the Chinese girl thegazebo, I thought, that's very different.

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And I know why it's different becauseobviously then you've gotten things and I
hadn't. Obviously Taken wasn't written then, and Intruders wasn't written then, you
know, when I growing up.So I couldn't see it as a screen
memory or anything. But I certainlydid knew in the back of my mind
that that wasn't a typical It wasa very strange encounter. Definitely for a

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minute. And say, when youfirst describe that to me, the Chinese
girl and the gazebo, it justset off some bells and whistles. It
literally, who's you know? Onecan always be Devil's advocate here because we're
talking about the unknown. But itsounds like a classic presenting sign even you

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know, a gazebo and a Chinesegirl in your back garden and devon which
it wasn't my back garden as such, it was down the road, but
yeah, yeah, I know whatyou mean. Yeah, they talked about
it recently. I told you amemory that it brought up from me immediately,
a mentor that I had before Imet Bud Pete Mossola, a tough,

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no nonsense Brooklyn Italian American New YorkCity Police detective who in the seventies
later seventies, the NYPD had puthim forward for training to do hypnotic regression
for criminal investigation. He was oneof only two or three people, and
he had a profound interest in UFOs, whether or not he had experiences as

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a young person. He was notcomfortable talking about. It's quite a macho
guy. And I think that wholething, especially for men of losing control
and situations like is it's an egobatterer, to put it mildly, and
he remembered as a boy growing upin Brooklyn a holiday picnic in Prospect Park,

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a beautiful park that's the equivalent forBrooklyn of what Central Park is for
Manhattan. And he kind of rememberedwandering off and finding a small house under
the trees with some small children whowere playing and invited him into the house,

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and then in complete memories, therewas no house there, and your
experience, you know, in noway was you know, filled with dread
or anything. It's just you know, it sits there kind of in your
mind. Let's jump ahead of itbecause at a certain point you decided that

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Lovely is your area of England wasyou wanted to have a more excit,
aiding life and you moved to Londonto pursue it. Can you tell us
what your dream was and some ofwhat you realized in a very exciting life
to put it mildly at the time. Um so, oh god, Um

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well, I moved up to Guildford. Actually, first of all, I
got a job. We have amagazine here called the Lady Magazine, and
the Lady Magazine it had a nopair um job in Guildford. Um,
so I got the job, movedto Guildford. And when I was in

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Guildford, are the lady that Im used to live with with with my
partner at the time. Um that'sI had a ghost experience one evening there
and I described the lady where shewas and it isn't his name. My
partner's name at the toime was calledTak and the mum said, well,

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that is exactly where my mum collapsedand died. So I had gone to
the toilet in the middle of thenight. So it's whether you're you know,
your subconsciousness is sort of like thehalf half leap, half awake.
That's sort of that state of mindwhere thin can float in and float out.
Went downstairs, went to the toilet, went open the door, and
there in front of me was alady as clear as you, Peter,

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sitting there. But she was stoodup at the doorway, and I could
see her. I knew that sheshouldn't be there, and because at that
time I had been I was workingwith mediums, and so I knew that
she I knew that she wasn't up. So I just remember holding my breath,

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taking a very big breath, walkingthrough her, walking and turning,
and then going up the stairs,and then going getting into bed and thinking,
oh my god. So um.The next morning I said to Luke's
mum, there was a lady here. And then she said to me,
that's what I'm saying, the validationthat how I described her, and that

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I was right. So I startedthen doing makeup. Starts working for a
company called Elizabeth Arden, started doingmakeup, and then I started back then,
you know, back then, doingwhat it was called. It was
a page three girls back then.And then that took me over to America

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back in the late nineties. SoI was, you know, I was
the girl with that had the fastestcars. You know. I had the
great life of going to the swankyrestaurants, you know, wining and dyning,
meeting you know, great people,and I could have the cars that
I wanted, and they all tOur sevens, and everyone hated to tur
sevens, but I love them becausefunny enough, in the car park opposite

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where I saw the Chinese girl atthe gazebo, one day, I saw
a car there and its lights wentup and then went down again. I
went, I'm going to have you. So that was my first car at
seventeen, was a t R sevenconvertible. And I'm still a petrol head
totally to this day. I've hadprobably back seven t R seven. So

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I've had had an American cop car, Um Chevy Caprice Classic. I've had
a GMC pickup truck. I've hadan SL Mercedes one or seven subvertibles,
John at Jennifer Hart's car m youknow. So I've had a Yeah,
I've had a great life. ActuallyI had also being you were also being
seen in the newspapers regularly. Alot of people knew who you were.

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Yeah, yeah, which also hasto add to kind of the headiness of
that period of time in your life. Yeah, atward point, was it
after the Los Angeles event and wewill talk about that in more detail,
of course, or beforeign that youfound yourself looking to connect with other people

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in the research or experience or community. Um. Well, so I a
friend of mine from my village,well from from my town in Exmas,
had moved over to Los Angeles whileto Huntington Beach and to do body building.

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So because I had money, Icould then go over and visit my
friends. So two of them wentover there. I was having UFO,
but I described it as something different, like it was a It was a
mattress that went above the bed withmy boyfriend Billy and had little lights on

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it. Now we just watched it. I wouldn't have even I wouldn't have
even said it was a UFO.Actually, you asked me something earliest.
I'm just going to trace back toit. You said to me, what,
at what point did I sort ofstart taking in things, whether from
the media or growing up as achild. Yes, right, So I

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still have the very first UFO bookthat I bought, and it is called
the UFO Handbook. By and AlanHendry, and I bought it in nineteen
eighty seven because it's got nineteen eightyseven in it my writing, So I
bought that book. It's like amanual if you ever see a UFO.

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I work at a book shop andI remember it coming in. That came
in and a book on the Titanic. So I remember buying that book and
a book on the Titanic because Iwas just absolutely that the pictures of it
underneath to say that was just phenomenalfor me. So that was my first
us UFO book, which, likeI'm still got My mum kept it up

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in the loft. That's amazing.You know, I'd moved from London to
Los Angeles. You know what Ihad sort of like a trunk up in
the loft that had all my bitsand bob in it, and there,
lo and behold was my good oldfashioned Joo books, which obviously now I've
got absolutely hundreds and hundreds and hundredslike yourself more and also those presents in
it, there's we're in a court. We got to like to start counting

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how many we've got. I guesswe got a lot. Be So obviously
there was an interest because it's aUFO book. And then I think the
second book that I bought was LightYears Yeah, Billy Mere, Now that

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isn't that is pretty much bang onwhat I saw out in Los Angeles.
So let's say that I brought thatone if I was working in the book
I'm not sure if I bought itwhen I was working in the bookshop,
but it would have been a coupleof years after that, obviously, when
we had good old fashioned bookshops.Um. So then I then, oh,

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which also I contacted Billy near whenI came back from Los Angeles and
have the letters still, and Billysent me um stickers from from him,
um um you know of where hewas in Switzerland. I've got all everything
that I've ever written to anybody andgot a reply back I've kept, so

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I think that is you know,a lot of things go missing. Also,
after our talk the other day,I was doing something and then I
found a very old folder that Ihad, and in that folders back in
the day when people used to havebusiness cards. Lo and behold, I've

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been through that loads of time.I never I actually went to go in
it to go and find something forPreston. Actually I went to go and
find a card. There was achap into Panga Canyon when Pango's going through
the UFO flat when I was livingthere, and I found that I kept
the Gentleman's card, so I was. I photocopied it and sent it to

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Preston. But lo and behold,I have the original little card door card
from a place called the Markte Hotelwhere I had the UFO encounter above the
bed with Billy that was in therethe room number and also there was my

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card another card about my Oakwood apartmentwhere I lived in Woodland Hills and where
I went drove back to when Ihad my encounter on the freeway which also
linked to another UFO encounter that Ihad here in England. You know,
the government or they're they're releasing thepictures of the metallic balls that people are

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seeing, you know everywhere periodically peoplehave seen them everywhere, but you know
they'd caught them on on film orinstilled. Where I used to work,
I had seen these objects as well, and um it was it links back

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to my UFO encounter that day,to be honest, and and I'm just
saying that I've got proof of Ilived at that apartment. And also I
didn't realize ironically those apartments were themost coolest apartments to live at because it
had all of the famous people livingthere. It had you know, Drew
Barrymore, all of like the peoplethat the young kids that want to start

(36:59):
drama school or you know, likesome of my friends were from Ithaca Film
School. So, um, there'sGavin Alcott. He used to go to
Ithaca Film School and his dad wasJohn Alcott, and John Alcott was very
famous over here. He was adirect director of photography in lots of very

(37:20):
famous films in um the Mask,um here for his Sinni photography, for
like all of the adverts, theHovis adverts stuff. So Ithaca actually in
college had a big part to playfor me because I'd been to Ithaca to
go and visit my English friends overthere. It's your hometown. No,

(37:42):
it's not my hometown's New York City, but I know, yeah, yeah,
I wanted to go back to somethingwhich is you are. It's tragic
at this point to me that sofew people um correspond you know in a
way. Well I'm nostalgic and somewhatromantic, but letter writing and m expressing

(38:08):
yourself literally on paper like a goodwriter. After we spoke a few days
ago, I was going through someolder files and look what I found.
Oh my gosh, Um, youhave to screen say that, what's what's

(38:30):
my address? Then tell me anit's a letter, a four page letter
from you to me when you wereliving in Expeter, Devon. I will
make a copy of it and sendyou later today. It's it's a total
time capsule. But you're very precise, and um, you know there's when

(38:52):
you know something amazing. Well againas somebody that's still occasionally writes letters like
that and puts them an envelope.Nothing digital about it, goes analog through
the mail. Yeah, it's agood way to communicate. Because my good

(39:15):
friend Pacer, he lived into PangaCanyon, and you know, I've known
Pacer for like thirty thirty odd yearsand he used to letter write on that
yellow paper because so it would belike every couple of weeks, would always
write, and even I'd write tomy friends when I was out in England.

(39:37):
So when I was out in theStates to England, even though you
could pick up the phone, butit was very expensive. I possibly now
need to go and look in myother folders, because I possibly have replies
from you, because I used torun obviously a witness support group in Exeter,
no doubt, and I should imaginethose letters that you'd send me would

(40:04):
be in there. Um, Sothat's interesting. I'm going to go back
and ghostre as well. Actually,that's correctly a question for you kind of
thought. What was the date onit? Not dated, it's not you
will be able to deduce it.I think it's late nineties, but I'm

(40:28):
not sure. In any case,at a certain point you were a public
person and um, whatever the circumstanceswere, you became friends with, made
contact with work with one of thehighest rising visible presences in the work at
the time, Nick Pope, whowas employed by the Ministry of Defense and

(40:52):
for several of the years as weall know that he was there involved in
their UFO area of Yeah, inquiry, and how did you come to meet
and become friends with Nick? Okay, So here's my really old book with
everybody's letters backwards and forth. Itdidn't actually start with Nick in the first

(41:14):
point. So it started with acompany called as f AP. It was
the Association of Scientific Study of Anonymousphenomena. So I was in contact with
back then people. It would havebeen after I came. I came back
from America in ninety three, andI think for a couple of years I

(41:38):
didn't do anything. It was thenobviously I might have had the light bulb
moment go off, and I wasstill I was actually having experiences when I
came back from America, and soI was writing to Timothy Good, I

(42:00):
would be writing to Jenny Randalls,I'd be writing to um other other people
and Ken Phillips. It was KenPhillips totally took me under his wing and
I went up on the bus togo and see him. He was living
in London. He didn't tell meof Nick at the time, and um,

(42:20):
I've got a Morris Townsend. Um. But it was a few four
as well. It was, likeI said, it was Ken Phillips really
that put me. UFO conferences wereon and we had UFO magazines at the

(42:42):
time, not many magazines. Wehad. UM had the Bird Saws.
UFO magazine was yeah, yeah,yeah, and weirdly, weirdly there was
I mean I've got all of theYeah, there's actually a good range of
them. UFO magazines at the time, but I didn' really I wasn't well,
there was one being published actually inExeter itself. It was when I

(43:05):
wanted to. I just wanted tomeet people that had had UFO encounters.
So I put a local advert inthe Exeter paper and I have to tell
you this. Yeah, so I'dsaid that I'm starting up a witness support
group. I was there with agirl called Kathy. She had started the
witness support group with me because she'dhad an encounter with her girlfriend at the

(43:30):
time, a very close encounter onthe road. It had landed, and
so I just put it in thepaper. Has anyone had any UFO encounters?
If they have, can they contact? And I had a PO box
and it was one of those thingswhere all of a sudden you go to
the PO box and honestly, therewould be absolutely loads and loads of letters.

(43:51):
But the initial advert, the initialsort of advert, was that I
told him about my UFOON encounter inLos Angeles that they wrote to they made
me look like like a bit ofa loon. Really, you know,
people you know, and you knowhow the media back then or sort of
is still a little bit bit betternow, but you know, green men

(44:13):
from out of space and you know, spaceships, and I thought, you
know what, I'm not having that. Now. There was a friend of
mine that lived behind me. NowI never knew that she was an abductee.
And also her name was Helen Sanders. I I was doing the witness
support group. I'd get you know, higher of the whole people would go

(44:37):
or I'd go off to places anddo talks and talk about my encounters.
And then people would, you know, talk about their encounters. And somebody
brought Helen over to me and theysaid, you know, she's an abductee.
Now, Peter, I'm not sureif I told her this. Helen's
encounter was on Christmas Eve, thesame night as end Ushan Forest and yeah,

(45:04):
no, yeah, so this issomething that I think me and you
need to talk about at another time, and I put you in touch with
but um, so it happened toher in Bristol, on a hill in
Bristol on Christmas Eve, a craftabduction, physical symptoms everything. So yeah,

(45:31):
so I remember, well, webecame good friends. I remember then
it was advertised as a there wasa conference going to be in Bristol and
which wasn't far from Exeter, youknow, a couple of hours drive and
you know people are going to bethere. Well, Nick was there.
I don't remember at the time whowas speaking. I just remember I needed

(45:57):
to meet Nick because because he wouldwork was working for the Ministry of Defense,
and because my encounter. To me, the importance of my encounter isn't
just the craft on the freeway,It is the other things that go with
it, and also the huge synchronicitiesbehind that encounter that the obviously are personal

(46:23):
to me, the synchronicities, butthey are they they they they always lead
back to that encounter. So hewas there with his good friend and your
good friend Michelle, and there areother people talking, and I went up
to him and I told him aboutmy ufhone encounter. So then afterwards then

(46:47):
to them, we sorry. SoI'd met him. Then afterwards I'd had
the put in the paper that Iwas running a witness support group, and
then they put something that I didn'tlike in the paper. So I said,
no, no, no, no, hang on me, and I
need to set the record straight.You need to contact this guy. I
had Nick's number for the office,and so I said, you know,

(47:10):
I'm going to put you on thatand I want it. I want to
be I want you to speak tothis guy to say that this does happen
to people, in which he did. So then a couple of days later
in the paper, and I stillhave those newspaper clippings, it was,
you know, it was all I'mever so sorry, you know, I
you know, this is a gentlemanwho worked from the Ministry of Defense.

(47:30):
So then Nick said, right,start at the beginning what happened. So
then I told him what had happened. So said, right, okay,
this is this is interesting because itinvolved military helicopters, it involved in men
in black car in broad daylight.And it was a continuous thing for me.

(47:51):
You know, it didn't it didn'tjust stop there the encounter. I
had other encounters as well. Andthen that's what led us to go and
work. Well, I worked withDolores Cannon year. What year did I
work with Dolores? I worked withDolores in ninety seven and then which,
like I said, I am goingto actually have those um they're on VHS.

(48:15):
I'm actually going to have them sortedout and so I can go through
them now. And then I workedand I met your good self at bugs
in ninety ninety eight. So itwas Nick and me. We went over
to New York for five days andwe met yourself, and we met Linda
Courtil and some of your good friendsand your sister's best friend. And I

(48:38):
had I think five days with there, maybe six days, and I had
three days of solid hypnosis, whichwow, you know you listen, I
wasn't I think that I'm a I'ma people person. But let me tell
you when you've had hypnosis, andit was long hypnosis sessions. I think

(48:59):
we're had one in the morning,one in the afternoon, one in the
morning, and the you feel likeshit, Yeah, spaces immensly because because
yeah, you've got pictures in yourhead, you're confused. You don't even
remember Nick and Bud talking to meafterwards, and I'm like, I'm in
a space shock. And you knowyou were. You were there as well,

(49:21):
and were and I remember at thedinner table, you know, when
we went out in the evenings.I'm sort of like, in my oh,
I'm sure we have. I knowwe had a fantastic time, but
I had the trauma of going throughthat. I was just physically and mentally
exhausted. Yeah, yeah, butI'm glad that I did it, of

(49:43):
course I am. And I know, but it's controversial. I know people
say that you know, and youknow that don't trust you know, the
the you know, hypnosis. Butfor me, for me, you know,
to work with two very very goodpeople obviously in the field. And
you've got remember Dolores Cannon fell intothis as well. Through you know,

(50:06):
more and more people were talking aboutif not if we go, if we
go really controversial. Well I don'tthink it's controversial, but if we you
know, if we're going along thelines of were actual beings they recall being
being, so you know, youcan think of like let's go, let's
talk remote viewing as well and futureremote viewing, you know, um and

(50:29):
picking up other things. So Iremember coming across Dolores's books, you know,
the Custodians keepers of the Garden,and just being in awe of it
and resonating with it totally, youknow, because as a child, I'm
having experiences. I've got the manat the bottom of the garden, I'm

(50:52):
being also the beings that I'm seeingafter the from the hips Bud's hypnosis on
a freeway. I recall being achild having them in my garden. I'm
familiar with them. They've been withme ever since I was let off,
so so that I found fascinating withworking off Dolorus. She's got a different

(51:16):
approach as Bud's got a different approach, and they both asked very totally different
questions. But also they asked obviouslyabout the Los Angeles Freeway. I recall
more from buds hypnosis than I doDoloruses because I know that at the time
with Doloruses, I was being blockedpretty much left, right and center because

(51:42):
I was living in Exeter at time. At the time, I would have
been, well, it was ayear before we're coming to meet you and
Buds, but I was having ahorrendous headache migrains, you know, so
you get the physical along with havingencounters as well. Because I was having
you, was having beings next tome at Exeter, you know, right

(52:04):
next to the bed, or seeinga triangle go over there by the house,
or seeing where this other abductee Helenthat had the same had a ufphone
counter on the you know, theevening of Brendelson for us as well,
you know, seeing sea mines withspikes going towards her house over to over

(52:27):
the park. I know, I'msort of like going back and forth and
stuff, but in my head it'sall of that same sort of time.
Um, yeah, I'm glad thatI did do it. And well,
now I've now, I've got we'veall got the technology. I can look
at everything now, and now's thetime that I am seriously going to go
through everything. And I'm more I'mlooking into it, the more I actually

(52:50):
have more pieces of that puzzle tolook at. Of, like I said,
you know, I've got oh andalso Peter, I've also hoped after
we spoke, I got on theI got on the phone tap into Billy's
brother, So Billy's where I hadthe encounter with the thing above the bed.
But Billy is also the who Iwas with when I had my uphone

(53:14):
counter and out Los Angeles. Youknow, we were living together and I
took the girl for the job interview, and I always say her name was
Jane or was Kelly, So it'sbeing confirmed it was Kelly. But I
recall Billy's mum saying her name Jane, So that's where they're both strange.
But I've gone with a list ofquestions to Billy now, so I would

(53:37):
like to find her. Um,so you know, now again I'm going
to go through all of that againthat I went through years when I got
when I got back, when Ifirst got back, I want to find
her, you know, you know, but now the Internet we can find
people. So yeah, I'm lookinginto that as well now because that would

(53:57):
just be the IC case's me quickquestion. We're coming into our last few
minutes of the first half of theshow, were you I completely forgot to
give people your website location and Iencourage you are to visit Bridget's website and
it is again, Um it's wwwdot and it's Bridget spelled b R I

(54:22):
G I T t E. Andit's Barclay b A R C l a
y dot com. So it's WWRBridget Barclay dot com. Thanks great,
And it will have links to twovarious things that I've talked with Nick at
the Old Gray Bird Souls or atLeeds Exo Politics of two thousand and eleven

(54:45):
when I was on this morning withGary Hesseltyne. And I'm going to be
uploading more things than you know,like talks that we do and all I
did with Preston's NM a couple ofweeks ago. So yeah, thank you,
yes, absolutely. Um, beforewe take our break, UM,

(55:07):
what do you think the reasons arethat these other intelligences are interacting with people
like you over the years, andeveryone will know? How many times do
we all hear this? Why you? What's what's what's so special about you?
You know? Why? Why can'tI see something as well? Well?

(55:29):
I don't know. I wish Ihad that million dollar ont but pure
enough, you know, you know, I'm glad that I have and and
maybe it takes a certain person,or it takes or I don't know it.
Maybe maybe there is an answer toit, but I don't know it

(55:51):
yet. Anybody that tells me thatthey absolutely do know, I have to
step back and question how Because,as but used to sometimes say, not
the most trusting person toward these otherentities at times, why should we trust
them anymore than the United States AirForce? Right right? Anyway, we're

(56:16):
gonna go to break shortly. Thisis Peter Robbins. My special guest is
Bridget Barclay from somewhere in England,and the show is meanwhile here on Earth
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(01:00:17):
are back. Peter Robbins here,the show is meanwhile Comma here on Earth.
My special guest tonight is Bridget Barclayand Bridget before we dive into this
remarkable and incredibly memorable event. UFOEvent citing experience that you had in Los

(01:00:38):
Angeles. I just want to takea look at a couple of photos with
you, which I hope you'll enjoy. Um a favorite of mine, a
miss riding horse riding la you reallylove. Yeah, I'm a beekeeper now,

(01:01:01):
so I've got three bee hives,so it's less stressful. Yeah,
well you'd think it's less stressful.It's hard work. Actually, been a
beekeeper. I love it. Andwhen you rode at one point, you
and a good friend had a portraittaken that has always stuck in my mind.

(01:01:22):
It is besides being a beautifully composedphotograph, it evokes another time and
speaks for itself. Oh blessed Well, there's a synchronicity behind that. So
that's my very good friend to Terry, and that is Annie. Annie is
Terry's horse. And then I hadAnnie up with me where I lived,

(01:01:45):
and sadly, on the day thisyear that I went down to see Terry,
I was driving down that morning,Terry contacted me and said, bee
Annie's just died. I've just beentold I've just been told she's in the
field and she's died overnight. Andit was really strange because you know that

(01:02:10):
was the day that I was goingdown to see her, going down to
see Annie, going to see ourother horses, and yeah, so that
is a fantastic moment in time.That's the woods that we used to ride
through with Annie. Annie. Itwas a beautiful cob. She was absolutely
lovely. Yeah, it's the momentin time. I just wanted to caption

(01:02:30):
and I'm so glad that well,we're both so glad that we did because
Anne it was a beautiful, beautiful, big cob horse lovely. Yeah,
I love horse, I think.And going back in time again, yeah
as well. Oh my god,yeah, when I was dark. Yeah,

(01:02:52):
so Roger Alien and the Scalpel Yeahso yeah, so that would have
been at Graham Birdsall's um conference.And yeah, there was quite a few
people. Well when I put onevery year ran well they put on every
year every couple of years, yes, yes, so there's lots of different

(01:03:15):
people. You know, Stephen Greerwould be there. Um uh oh gosh,
um absolute yea. And for anybodynot familiar with doctor Roger Lear,
he was a pediatric surgeon who becamevery focused interested in the implants that people

(01:03:38):
were claiming that were put there bynon human intelligences, and I think into
a degree, risked his political reputationcareer by being the person mark as well,
you know, thinking out of thebox, Yeah, to remove them.
And one of the things that Rogerestablished, it's a really, I

(01:04:00):
think a very important tangent. Ialways wondered from the time I first heard
about the implant phenomena and started occasionallyseeing them, you know, recovered of
course in a surgical procedure, thatif you get a splinter, you know,
your white blood cells immediately signal therest of your body that there is

(01:04:24):
an intruder here, and the manifestation, you know, it'll grow red,
it's prone to infection, but thebody recognizes that there is a foreign presence
in it. How is it thatthat is not the case with these implants?
And it was Roger who basically figuredit out, and it was caught

(01:04:50):
a lot of us off guard.What he established was that there is a
super thin, impossibly tough coding certainlyon some of these, that he could
not even through with a new surgicalscalpel that created the same effect as the

(01:05:13):
coding on stealth aircraft. It wasn'trecognized, which in itself is just another
nod to their technology versus ours,and how this is possible. This Islenda
Courtille on the left, who isa subject of the very famous study and

(01:05:36):
book by Bud Hopkins, witnessed thetrue story of the Brooklyn Bridge UFO incident.
And this was a very special eventfor all of us. This is
my sister, my late sister,Helen's dearest friend Mariah age Are on the
left, sadly, who passed afew years after Helen. Nick, of

(01:05:57):
course, yourself, my literary agent, Robert Friedman and still a very good
friend, although now retired. AndLinda and Nick took this picture so I
could be in it. Yeah,it was a great night, a great
dinner. It's the same restaurant isnot there, but I could take you

(01:06:18):
right back to the location, anybodythat's interested. It's the very last restaurant
on Mott Street. Right word comesinto Chatham Square and the Bowery. Um.
Here's now jumping ahead a few years. Oh yeah, you and Robert
Salis one of most respected him solovely. Yeah, yeah, remain in

(01:06:45):
contact, he is. I willtell him that we're in touch with you.
I'm so glad. I'm so gladthat he went public as well about
his experiences. Yes, yeah,yeah, yeah, yeah, and it
was it was just awesome. Itwas just around that time. Actually,
that was that Jarry Hesseltine's conference,wasn't it. I think, yes,

(01:07:08):
that's right. And it was atthat time that he started to get started
to talk about the experiences that hewas having because obviously and obviously with him
being in the Navy, but airForce. But yeah, he of course
had the famous event where he waswatched the lights blink out as nuclear weapons

(01:07:31):
went offline, and a favorite ofmine for obvious reasons. Hey, troublemakers,
look at us. One of thethings going around the table and food
we share a passion for as wellas a wealth of is. We're not

(01:07:51):
only big readers, but we lovebooks and we have both built substantial libraries.
Although I have to say in someplaces I am less than thrilled because
you have some books that I don't. And that's that's not good. This
is party. Oh that's a that'sa very old picture. That's a really

(01:08:13):
old picture. Oh my god.I need to contact I need to send
you the latest update. It's aproblem. I have, yeah, information
on all of us. And here'sone of my favorite all time portraits of
two people I love. Oh yeah, that was the Guardian, actually the
Guardians, the one behind we hadbehind us, right, yeah, yeah,

(01:08:34):
and we both wish we had hadwhen you can take you can tell
by the look on my faith.I mean, I as much as I'm
still I'm just an oval liking shocks. So yeah, it's like, yeah,
yeah, it's a long days andyou did you really did? Now

(01:08:56):
set the scene for us about thisthen that happened in Los Angeles because it
was life changing. Yeah, right, So I'll go back to something that
I said too earlier about finding findingbusiness paths. Well, in with all
of them was a business card forwhere I was taking this golf for the

(01:09:20):
job interview. Can you believe it? You can't write this stuff. So
I'd never probably i'd probably had seenit and not thought anything of it.
But now because I'm thinking, ohmy gosh, so now I've got the
address, so yeah, I've gota few things to research myself. Right,
So set the scene. Billy hadcome over from England. I'm living

(01:09:45):
in the Woodland Hills Oakwood apartments.His friend that was a hairdresser on Oxford
Street. So more information that Ican give any of you readers if you
know of a Kelly used to workon Oxford Street as a hairdresser that had
a massive view of her and counterin Los Angele if that'd be amazing,
just you know, get in touchwith myself with Peter. I'd be lovely,

(01:10:09):
That'd be amazing. So, um, she was taking up for a
job interview down Rideo Drive now,Um, because yeah she was. She
had a job at Oxford Street.So we took it. I took her
down to Radeo Drive. It wasbooked in, so I must have just

(01:10:29):
walked around them all. It wasa little more on the right hand side,
opposite the cheesecake factory down that way. UM and UM. I remember
picking her up, getting into thecar. The car was in a big
car park. I was up certainfloors, so when you drive, you're

(01:10:53):
going driving all the way down.I remember we were talking, chatting about
you know, how how you knowthe day her an interview, um and
various things. And then because Iwas driving, it was on the one
on one on the four oh five. He was driving out of Los Angeles.
Um. And you know anyone thatknows Los Angeles, um, well,

(01:11:19):
UM would know roughly where this is. It's just before you get to
Brentwood. UM. There was aholiday in. It's no longer a holiday
in I've been told Nick Tolbill's nolonger holiday in UM. And there in
the holiday in, there's a restaurantup at the top that you can look
out of UM and look down ontothe freeway. So as we're driving as

(01:11:44):
sorry, as I'm driving UM towardsthere, I'm feeling a little bit different.
Obviously, you know, there's noreason why I should be feeling different.
She's had a great interview, We'vebeen chatting various things, but there
is something in what's happening to methat I don't know. So I'm questioning

(01:12:05):
why am I feeling like this?You know, it felt like an anxiety,
It felt like a butterflies, Itfelt like I can't say it was
like a stage fright thing. Ican't say that it was an excitement thing.
I can't say what it was becauseI didn't know what it was.
I just know there's something building andbuilding and building, and it was getting,

(01:12:30):
you know, more and more apparent. There's something quite strange happening to
me. So as I'm as we'repulling off the freeway and you drive off
the off rump, drive off theoff ramp came around. Now it has
changed this road because I've been backthere for a road trip with the BBC.

(01:12:51):
They took me back to that placeand there was a central partition in
that road, which you can tellby from the tarmac on the floor,
because I took loads of pictures ofit that would have been there at the
time. So I think that's whyin my head that I knew that I
couldn't go right towards the holiday inbecause there was that central partition. But

(01:13:14):
that's just you know, anyone thatknew La back then helped me out as
well. So it's about ten tosix at night. It's really really warm.
Um my window is wound down.I'm not sure if James is,
but mine's wound down. I'm justcoming off the freeway. My hands are

(01:13:36):
getting tighter and tighter gripping the steeringwheel. The anxiety something building. I'm
not sure what the hell's happening tome, but I'm not feeling good at
all. Hands are really on thesteering wheel. And then there's there's traffic
lights in front of me, There'sthere's there might be one car in front,

(01:13:58):
but then there's an't that car infront that I remember, And then
it's me. The traffic lights.To the right of me's UCLA. To
the left of me is a bridge, and the freeway is underneath me backwards
and forth from into La out ofLA. And you've got the holiday in
up on the right hand side ifyou go over the bridge, and then
Brentwoods over that way. So there'ssomething building. Not totally sure. I'm

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pretty much coming to a halt becausethe traffic lights has stopped. Now I
don't know if this object stop thetraffic lights. I don't know at all.
All I remember is the feeling.And nobody ever could prize my hand
off the sting wheel, it wasso tight. You have the windscreen,

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you have the door panel, andI will say this, and I am
going to start really thinking about thisnow. Why I always remember the chrome
part of the car, of thelittle little triangular and then you've got the
window. But what I said down, I saw silver there at that point,

(01:15:03):
so weather, I don't know.I'm not going to even go down
that route. Yeah, but whydid I see the silver solo there?
I'm not sure. All of asudden I saw something silver there and then
all of a sudden it was prettymuch on top of the trunk of the

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car in front of me. Thisobject. Oh, that's my brother Paul
drew that. For me, it'sa bit of a different perspective because I
actually, yeah, it's a differentperspective of it. But so I'm seeing
now this I am yeah, theythank you describe it. It's like a

(01:15:47):
plagued in sort of craft, likethe Billy merecraft. This craft in front
of me. It's it is likethat. It's not a right above my
head, but it's come down fromthe left, so it's on the left.
It's gliding slowly but fast. It'sgoing over the car in front,
and it's now it's probably if you'rein a car, sat in a car

(01:16:10):
and you were looking up at thetop of a telephone pole. It was
that late. So it's an outgoingover the car in front of me,
and then it's going over towards theright. Now I remember as it's there

(01:16:30):
and I'm looking now pretty much Iwant say underneath it, but it was
just over there. I'm looking underneathand looking at this sort of like power
sorts of this orange red glow.I can see it's got no wings.
I can see it's got no feeling. You've gotta remember, I've got the
window down, but I don't hearanything, you know. I'm just in
awe of this. Everything's been filteredout in this this and I still have

(01:16:53):
that feeling that ceiling in me thatis horrendo. I don't know what it
is. So at that point whenI'm looking at looking at it, obviously
at that point I'm now I swear, I go, what the F is
that? So now Kelly is nowlooking at it, and we're both staring
at it as it's going over tothe right hand side of us. So

(01:17:17):
it's gone to the right hand sideof us, and I'm like, I
can still fit from that angle.But it's got no wings because it's now
a bit further away, so Ican see it's still got no wings from
it's not making any noise, it'sgot no fuelage coming from it, and
it's going over towards the right byUCLA. The traffic lights go back on.

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Car in front of me start movingand I am then going to the
left. Now in my head Ican hear I can't go right. I've
got to go up high, andI've got to see where this is going.
I remember driving behind the car goingover the bridge before. I'm just

(01:18:06):
literally turning the wheel to go overthe bridge, hand still ripped my drive
t I stuck on there. Ithen looked behind in my uh window,
the back window and seeing what aclub always called the ass of it going
through the tops of the trees,so it's so so low. I then

(01:18:33):
knew that I had to get uphigh so that I'm going over the bridge.
The Holiday Inn is on the righthand side. I then know that
I have to get up high.Yeah. I'm then deciding that I have
to drive up by the Holiday Inn. I don't know that I can do
this, my cats jumping up andaround. I don't know that I can

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I can drive up behind Holiday becauseI've never driven up behind the holiday in
before. But I know that I'vegot to get a pie. So I
drive up there. I get out. I then say to Kelly, we're
both going to get out at thesame point. I'm both going to point
in the same direction where we thoughtit went. She gets out her side,

(01:19:15):
I get out my side. Weboth point and then we're pointing,
and that would have been towards UCLACollege, and at that point it's just
like the reality of her doing that, because obviously that's the first thing that
I've said to her, and wecan't see it now at all. My
eyes are watering, I'm shaking.I feel that that feeling is still there.

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I'm not feeling right at all.Something's just happened. Nothing, something
that's not right. We both getin the car. I drive down the
hill, I make a right andjust drive for a couple of blocks.
I pull into this girl's house,and um, things are forgotten. I

(01:20:04):
don't even know the girl's name anymore. I can't even remember. It would
have been as someone that I knewwhen I when I lived there, but
I can't remember who it is.But I remember getting out of the car,
I remember holding the car. Iremember holding onto the car because it
felt like I was drunk, andI never drank alcohol at all, and

(01:20:24):
and I just just well, Iad that poitly felt like when you're drunk.
I just didn't want to look around, didn't want to look at anything.
I just hanging onto the car toget to the door. Rang on
the doorbell and she said, right, Jaunts, come in. And I
said, no, something, there'ssomething that's just happened to me. I
need to go home. It wasactually a bit like a bit like you're

(01:20:46):
sort of like you'll. I knewthat I had to go to a house.
It was a bit like remote control. I knew that I had to
go there. Something had happened.I then got back into the car.
I then went to go, andthen went to go and get in the
car to pull the car out becauseit was a drive that you drive into

(01:21:06):
and then you can drive out backonto the road. And um ah yeah,
and I basically they're in front ofme. Let me just write something
down a minute. I remember somethingin my head. But I remember they're
in front of me. Was thiscar? This like gangster car? It

(01:21:31):
was a very old, sort oflike if I don't know, I couldn't
date it. Let's say a fiftiescar. Black, very low, very
long, very narrow blacked out windowsdown the side windows, and I couldn't
see it. Now. I gottold in my head that it was put

(01:21:54):
there for me not to forget.Now we know everyone within upology that you
can forget things, and um it'slike I've been given things to recall things,
if that makes sense. So Igot sort of my head that's been
put there for me not to forget. Um. So it's whether it's screen

(01:22:16):
memory of something thank or it wasa men in black car, or it
was something that they projected up fromthis from the from the UFO for me
that that they'd put there. Now, my dad has had some amazing cars
growing up, you know my dad. You for one minute with the question,
in a complete spirit of being Dela'sadvocate, do you feel there was

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also a possibility it's Los Angeles UClassic cars are more common there, the
weather is good for them. Doyou feel it it's also possible that it
might have been, you know,some nineteen forty nine beautifully customized because I'm
remembering a line of cars with kindof airflow dynamics and for me paranoidly thin

(01:23:03):
windows. Um you feel it mighthave actually been what it seemed to be
or was that kind of eliminated inhypnotic investigation after the fact. Um?
Well, I had a very goodfriend over in English, friends called Scott
Boz and Scott Boza used to ownHollywood picture vehicles. He used to rent

(01:23:25):
out all of his cars. Hehad like hundreds of them, all of
the most amazing cars he had,the James Dean replica car he had.
He had actually everything, So ofcourse it's Los Angeles, of course,
I mean American cars, Holly Davidson'severy everyone had something, you know,
something nice to drive. Um.Yeah, of course, of course it

(01:23:48):
could have just been that, notin any way from the event, but
just no. Of coursely of courseit's always good to pay Devil's Avoca.
Absolutely um. But in my head, like I couldn't go right in my

(01:24:11):
end, I had to get uphigh and it's been put there for me
to remember. It was strange.It was something that, like I said,
my dad's had cars, classic carsall my life, when I've had
classic cars, and but it feltlike m I felt very scared. I
didn't feel right looking at it.It made it made my eyes my eyes

(01:24:33):
were watering anyway, but why they'reat that point. It was just very
unusual. And yes, you'll writelots of Hollywood movie sets. You know,
we're not far from Hollywood and we'renot far from you know, um,
from any of that area, yes, of course, but you know
the UFO wasn't a part of aHollywood set. So um. So it

(01:25:00):
was just there and I felt uneasyat being there, like blocking me that
I couldn't go out, And it'sbeen put there for me to remember.
That's all I remember in my head. It's been put there for me to
remember. It. Then casually movedoff into into the ongoing traffic. Then
I was let out and I carriedon driving around the corner back onto freeways

(01:25:26):
off ramps to get back onto thefreeways. Now, as just as I
was going down the off ramp toget back onto the freeway because my because
my um window was wound down,I then heard a roaring noise, roaring
noise, and all of a sudden, four five black unmarked military helicopters were

(01:25:54):
going as I'm coming down the hiton the off ramp. They were heading
towards UCLA College. Now, Idon't know how long it took me from
being up at this but behind theholiday in down to the house to the
car to there. I would liketo say ten minutes. I don't know,

(01:26:15):
but those helicopters, one in particular, even you know, to the
point of I could see the rivetson it as it's tilted and it's going
so fast towards UCLA College. There'sno such thing as a coincidence. At
that point, I knew that theywere going towards towards that craft. I
don't recall speaking to Kelly at allon the journey home. I just remember

(01:26:38):
getting driving back, getting back,parking the car up, going back into
the house, my apartment, sorry, and I remember her walking into the
bathroom and just the reflection of melooking at her looking at me. But
I do remember Gavin, because Gavinused to be at, like I said,

(01:27:00):
the college, the film College.He was there and Billy was there,
and I remember wanting to have thenews on that They had the TV
on in the background and they werechatting, and I went to say,
hey, guys, you're not justgoing to believe what's happened. But I
didn't. I didn't say anything tohim, and I don't recall saying anything

(01:27:24):
to him. All I recall isa couple of days after that, I
just said, you know what,I got to get out of here.
I can't handle what's just happened.So I must have spoken to Billy about
it, and I asked a good, very good friend of mine if Billy
could go and stay with him.So yeah, it breaked me out so

(01:27:45):
much that I just just needed toget out. I just don't name and
I just needed to get out.And then yeah, yeah, So at
that point, did you begin yourto return to the United Kingdom. No,
So I went to a place calledAptos. A friend of mine had

(01:28:08):
wanted to go and pick a caravanup from Aptos, which is above Santa
Cruz. So they wanted to bringit back and put it into Panga to
Panga Canyons. So we did that. So it would have been I think
we've probably had gone maybe a weekweek and a half. Came back to

(01:28:28):
to Panga and my good friend priorto this Pacer, he had lived into
Panca, so I knew off toPanga. I used to go to the
little shop home grown there and stuff, and you know, I loved the
Panga Canyon's Natural State Park and it'sabsolutely beautiful. And at that time,
at that time we moved it toTopanga. I never went back to my

(01:28:50):
apartment. I think it was packedup. Never went back to the apartment,
and I was staying in the caravanwith some friends there up in the
in the hills of Topanga, andI remember seeing um a poster. Have
you seen a UFO? Now,don't remember word for word, but it

(01:29:12):
had a picture of a UFO onit. Now, it was a gentleman
that we all know very well.Is Preston Dennett. Preston authored you know,
forty books, absolutely amazing books.You know, please go on and
watch his YouTube videos. He talksabout all different encounters, the research that
it goes into. You know,it's amazing. I absolutely, you know,

(01:29:36):
the first gentinmen that I took.I saw the poster and I took
it down. I'm thinking, I'veseen a UFO there. I've seen a
UFO, you know in La SoI kept the poster and I had a
experience into Panga Canyon and I didn'tknow at the time that it was going
through a UFO flap. And um, so that is so that in ninety

(01:30:01):
three Preston really was the first person. So I've always sort of well,
I hadn't kept in contact for presentsince ninety three until I really started,
you know, looking into it alland not. I don't actually remember how
I came across known that it wasPreston, because I lost the actual poster

(01:30:25):
itself, and Preston's actually going tosend me a copy of it because I'm
going to put it up on mywall because it's just like quite remarkable that
it was going through a UFO flapat the time and I had an encounter
into Tanga that. Yeah, Sowhen I've asked him things, or when
I did the road trip with theBBC, obviously I got to meet Preston
again. They took me back towhere I had my encounter, which was

(01:30:49):
very strange. And as you know, when you go and work and when
you're at research and you've got otherpeople filming, you don't have really a
long time to sit and reflect becauseyou know you're onto the next and you
know, journey down and the nextexperiences. I wish I'd spent more time

(01:31:10):
there, but yeah, yeah,question at a certain point you explored aspects
of this experience in hypnotic regression.Was it with Bud or Doctor Mac or
Dolorus Cannon or all of them orone of them? And what did you

(01:31:35):
learn the hypnotic regression. Well,I'm still I'm going to say I feel
very is it difficult described with hypnosis? It can confirm a lot of things,
it's sort of things into place,but also also you're so I'm not

(01:31:59):
sure even though there's feelings that gowith it. I mean, I've got
a let's talk about Roger lear Umand the implant alien skullpolg. I spoke
with Roger along Yeah, yeah,Roger, yeah, because I have um
something in my leg that I showedhim and it's still there to this day,

(01:32:21):
and he said that would be veryinteresting. Yes, you know,
UM, it would be something todefinitely look and you can feel it in
my leg. But because I gota scoop mark. Now, I didn't
know about scoopmarks at all. Andthe scoop mark happened when I was very
young in the house that I livedin Limpstone Um after the Chinese girl encounter

(01:32:48):
and the gazebo. It was mysort of safe place that I used to
go to in the garden with beings. So um, So I never explored
the plant that I like, youknow, it's on my left ankle and
um and the scoop mark UM isliterally literally like someone scooped the skin out

(01:33:10):
of me. But I recall thatUM by a hypnotis and that was with
Dolores. With John, it wasbackwards and forth with the help of Nick
Um when he was at Harvard,and we were sending letters backwards and forth
because I was he was going tobe coming over here or we were going
to go over there, and wewere dealing with John and his secretary at

(01:33:33):
the time. And I've still gotthe letters UM about working with him because
at that point he just he washe had other people that he was looking
into their cases. And because Ihad just gone public, Um, I
was going to be a good candidatefor him, UM and I I worked

(01:34:00):
with Dolorus Firth. Then we weregoing backwards and forth with John trying to
work out workings of how we cando this. I think I think we
had a telephone talk as well.And then Um Nick had booked us in
to go to Bud the hypnosis.M So, like I said, two
different hypnosiss Dolores's hypnosis. Different thingscame out Buds, different things came out

(01:34:27):
Um. With Bud, we welooked more into the freeway. And also
you you you must know Jeremy Corbell. Yeah, so Jeremy comes from Brentwood
in Los Angeles, and Um,you know backwards Mixed contacted him. You

(01:34:48):
know, I've contacted him as well. And because that's right, he knows
that area so well. Also,we have m Lisa Royal Priest. Um,
she is an experiencer. She hasgone more into workshops sort of like

(01:35:10):
played in DNA activations and um thatwe've gone that route human potential. Yes,
yeah, that's oh that's my firstthing, lovely so um. She
she had an encounter exactly the sameplace as me the holiday in on the

(01:35:31):
on the freeway there, exactly thesame place, um, which I find
quite bizarre. So um. Butyeah, So Jeremy comes from LA and
I'm thinking, you know, obviously, and I've picked up a book the
other day. I've I've picked upa new book that I didn't have flying
sources over Los Angeles. I haveto read about that. But I'm sure

(01:35:54):
that will be more of it willprobably be a collaboration between people, you
know, experiences and maybe some ofPreston Dennett's work in there or like back
to the old you know, fifties, you know, waves of encounters over
Los Angeles. I'm not too sureyet. So um but yeah, so
it would be interesting what his viewpointwas on it broad daylight on the freeway.

(01:36:16):
You know, Jeremy lives there,so you know, had had he
heard of anything fascinating. Have youhad any experiences or sightings that you'd like
to share with us from say thelast decade? M right, Yeah,

(01:36:41):
at a certain point, for somepeople things go quiet. Um you can
take up. Yeah, make ourbest educated guesses about why. But has
that been the case for you orhas this persisted to some degree over these
years? Um? So, afterI came back from the States, I

(01:37:02):
had experiences, um, like Isaid the lady with going over the park,
the like c mines. I hadthe black triangle. I had beings
next to my bed. I hadthem injecting my spine and then it was

(01:37:23):
like a dartboard. All of asudden, boom boom, boom, boom
out. I was out for thecounts. I then moved to a place
called more Well m Key, moreWell m Key. I had experiences there.
It was beautiful, little tin mine, Victorian tin mine. And it's
funny people talk about ghosts. Isaw a giant ghost, just the top

(01:37:45):
half of them as a giant.It was very strange in the mind that
I was on a mine ride.It was massive, massive, like just
top torso of a giant. Itwas strange and then I have blue blue
little lights. One time came intothe bedroom they did the figure of eight

(01:38:09):
m and then went back out again. And then I had m I had.
I was working at an old boysschool at Chelsea Mill. I had
these. Um. I was readinga book on remote viewing. M Yeah,
it was remote viewing Journeys out ofthe body it was, and um

(01:38:29):
it was I had got up.It was early in the morning. Got
up because I was on the radio. I'd stayed up all night, been
reading early in the morning. Andthen because I was looking after and all.
It was an old boys school doingsort of the security there, and
I just felt a feeling I hadto look out of the window. I
looked out of the window and Icould see these what was said earlier.

(01:38:49):
These seen lots of them, thesilver um like steel balls, and there
was about five or six of them, and they were following the lines of
the tree line. So I hadthe big building, a big field,
then there would be water, andthen there was another field, and they

(01:39:12):
were going. They were on thehorizon above the trees. Collin direction of
trees. Forgotten the radio to oneof the guys because he said, if
you ever see anything please you know, call me, please, can you
come up? I say, canyou come up to the unit? He
couldn't come up, so my bosscame up. So there I am on
the top of the sofa looking outthe window, my boss saying what are
you doing? I went at canyou see those? And he goes,

(01:39:34):
yeah, why that? And Idon't know, but I've been watching them
go from there. So we watchedthem to the point where they all went.
So that's all that. And I'mthat one links to my encounter in
Brentford, so right, so sothat more, Yeah, I tell you

(01:39:56):
amazing. So that one it wasthe day that Corey Hayn died from Lost
Boys. Now I didn't realize thatuntil I got home early hours of the
morning. I then have to goto sleep because I've been up all night.
And then when I wake up atlunchtime, I got told that Corey
Lost Boys had died and I went, no, it was so sad because

(01:40:16):
I loved that was one of myfavorite films. And he died in the
valley and he died in Woodland Hills. I lived in Widen Hills. He
died in Oakwood apartments and I,oh, my god, So there's me
having a UFO encounter the day thatCorey haim Dart died. He lived in
the same apartment block that I livedin in Oakwood Apartments. I'm not sure

(01:40:41):
what number he lived in, butI know what number I lived in because
it's on my tag in my Filifaxand and it linked you back to me
have an encounter Los Angeles, youknow, in that department, and also
the apartment that I got told whenI did the talk, that the number
of the apartment that I went towhere I had the men in black cart
as you in America you do yourmonths, then your day, and then

(01:41:06):
your year. That actually said thatthe actual date and the year of nine
eleven, because they've panned it thatI took a picture of it, you
know, of their apartment. Andthen someone in the audience said, do
you realize that that's the actual dateof nine eleven hadn't happened then at that

(01:41:27):
point, but it act it hadhappened at that point when I'd done it,
but obviously it hadn't happened when ithappened in ninety three, so it
was that was a bit bizarre.Um. And then I I've had so
many I've had then drive in towork. I remember one night on the
way driving to work, I couldsee this white object. It was coming
down through the trees. I thenpulled the car over, stopped the car,

(01:41:49):
got out, went over to thegate, and I just saw it
coming down down through the trees,down onto the floor of the field,
and then I just watched it followthe field as it went away from me.
I've had lots of encounters with myson or Ryan, um um.
And I've had some very bizarre encounterswith my son or Ryan. Actually,

(01:42:12):
my son Ryan's also had encounters uponencounters without me there with his friends.
Give example, all right, canyou give me an example of experience that
you shared with your son Oriyan?Yeah, um, yeah, so well
I got two very good ones.Um. But one of them was an

(01:42:35):
old Victorian sort of like this oldfarmhouse that I lived in and had the
old sort of um typical tiles onthe floor, the black and white sort
of like Edwardian tiles. I hadquite a long hallway and it's a big
house. It's the heckles be pickleday little rooms off into various different places,

(01:42:58):
and um, it was at nightand I was just sort of like
going round to double check that everythingwas locked. So I went to the
front door, and it was aglass front door, so you could see
out, and I had actually anAmerican car then it wasn't a fabulous sort

(01:43:18):
of classic one, but it wasa Chrysler Grand Voyage, so it's quite
high up and you know, withthe big sliding doors, but the wink,
so you'd know the height of it, and you'd know where the wing
mirror is. Or just as Iwent to go and lock the door,
I could see something white. NowI'm not going to say that I would
say the size of it would havebeen would have been Do you remember the

(01:43:44):
good old fashioned space hoppers that peopleused to ask did you have the Matt
Stay spacehoppers? The Jap Yeah,okay, A bit smaller than that,
you know, and bigger than afootball. It was. It was.
It was glowing a white glow,and it was by the wing mirror of

(01:44:09):
my car, on the left handside of my car. So I would
have reversed the car and it wasby the wing mirror. Now it was
not illuminating, so I didn't callher Ran down at this point was not
illuminating the car. It wasn't illuminatingthe bush behind it. It was not
illuminating the floor. It was justthat at the same height as the wing

(01:44:30):
mirror. So I'm looking at itbecause your brain's like trying to think what
is it? And I know what'sbehind there, which is which is a
bush? And then if you walkto the right of the bush, then
you've got the little lane that wouldlead onto the main road. So I'm
sort of trying to study what itis. And at that point I then
walked back a few steps and Ishout up to her Ran. I said,

(01:44:53):
Ryan, can you come down thesenow? It generally means that either
one is in trouble or I've gotsomething that I need a witness taste.
So he comes downstairs. I saycome in, and he goes, what
is it? That said? Justcoming to place? So we are at
the door, front door not open. We've closed it, you know,

(01:45:15):
the doors closed. I haven't eventhere to open it. We're staring at
it. Goes, what is it? I said, I do not know?
And it is staying there. It'snot doing anything, still not illuminating
anything. It's there and it's gettingslightly dimmer. It's stay bright for someone.
But i'd like to say, itwas a dull bright if that makes
sense. It wasn't like more.It was sort of like diffused sort of

(01:45:41):
light, but big. And we'restaring at it, and what is it.
I have not got a clue.It's been here for a while.
And then we're watching it slowly,slowly, probably over two or three four
minutes, maybe getting dimmer and dimmer, still staying the same size, and
till it's gone. And he justsaid, this is funny. Just double

(01:46:08):
check all of the doors, windowsand everything in which we did. So
that's what witnessed that. But somestrange things happened in that house one night,
and I'll talk tell you about thetiles in that house. One night
my daughter was away or ian wasin the house, and my other son
was in the house, and myother son was very very small at the
time. All of a sudden,we're all in bed and I hear footsteps

(01:46:33):
somebody walking on those tiles. Iheard them walking on those tiles. Then
it goes blank. Then I hearit just for the count of probably in
my head because you do it everyday subconsciously. You know how many stairs
there is till you get to thetop. All of a sudden, I

(01:46:53):
heard something come up to the topstep. I heard something, and that
was it. I then jumped straightout of bed. I'm not scared of
nothing me. I jumped straight outof bed and I went straight into my
younger son's room and he was satup, bolt upright. He was probably

(01:47:14):
about a year and a half old. Yeah, but bolt upright, he
was, bolt upright. I justgrabbed old of him, took him into
my room. I had a rhinein the bedroom with me, and he's
older. At this point, Ihaven't got a clue what that was at
all, but that, you know, and some strange things happened with Suzanne

(01:47:38):
Chancellor, Mike Clean Clean Cleland anowl scenario. There's a very strange paranormal
experience that brought us all together inthat house as well, so you know,
and another very quick and I'll tellyou of Orion one night again in

(01:47:58):
a different house. Yes, Idid smoke cigarettes out in Los Angeles and
I smoked cigarettes in England late nightcigarettes before go to bed outside underneath the
stars that as you do sort oflike looking at them, and then all
of a sudden, you know,like obviously like the starlink and like Elon
Musk was, you know, releasingall of the satellites. Well, let

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me tell you this is like waybefore all of that, um all of
the season. I'm like looking andI just see one, then two,
then three, then four ran itcomes down and we are watching a math
array of them to the point ofwe could not count anymore. We couldn't

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we start counting. So they werehot high up there was It was just
like do you know what it lookedlike a fishing net with balls ball in
it. That's what it looked like. It was unbelievable. There was there
was. I think we lost countafter about thirty, all in a massive
line and they just went over tothe right until later disappeared. It was

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quite unbelievable. That was unbelieath whatI was saying. The house that you're
living in, it's, by acertainly American standards, an old house.
A lot of times we let ourimaginations run wild, and it's informed by
romance and our fascination with the paranormalother realms. Other times it's just the

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way it actually is. That whatI'm leading to here is a question.
There's no right or wrong answer.It's purely your subjective opinion based on your
experience and living your life. Doyou feel that the so called UFO phenomenon
the other intelligence is attached to it, orbs other kinds of paranormal experiences presences

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in homes where there is a presenceare all somehow organically, functionally, philosophically
part of the same thing, Orthat these are uniquely interesting but separate,
separate things that in some cases ofcertain people, they come together. Any

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thoughts on that, And again there'sno wrong answer here. I'm just really
curious to know what you feel aboutthat. Well, maybe you can make
things happen. Maybe I don't know. Um, it's a bit like um,

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I I didn't go outside and havea cigarette and expect to have another
encounter. I it's I think it'sabout being the old thing in the right
place at the right time. Orum, maybe there is a part of

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something inside experiences that that you're drawnto a certain place and then it happens.
Um, I like I said afew times, and I have got
photographs of it at that house withthe string of big like like like I

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said, a fishing net. Imean, yeah, masses of them,
um. And yes, the peopleeveryone's going to say, can you take
your camera out? And why blahblah if you know what because you don't
think of it at the time.But I have photographs things when my driving

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down the road. One time,I in my head like, get out
the carmed photographs. Something I did, get out the carm photographs two,
took two pictures and something came outon one of them. And then at
the time I was looking after adog, beautiful chocolate labrador, and I
remember it being on the sofa,and all of a sudden, out of

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the corner of my eye, Icould see movements, very low down movement
of an object starting to move verylow down at a light. And then
I did have the camera next tome, my phone next to me,
and at that point I then tookI think four three or four snaps to

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the point of I'm watching it andI'm just taking snaps because I want to
actually physically watch it, so Idon't want to look through a camera not
to connect with it, because it'sbetter to connect with these things. I
mean, like a e Seti Ranch. You know, things that I've seen
at East Set Ranch was absolutely amazing, and you are connecting with it totally

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and what did you get on camera? Yeah, so, yeah it did.
So you've got a few snaps ofof the dog on the sofa and
then exactly what I thowt It waslike something. It was like a purple
violet blue something spinning and it wasvery small, but you can see it.

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It's a bit like, Um,it's not a flight, it's not
a moss. It's because I watchedit with my eye and I'm like,
oh, I'm going to photography.I'm going to photography. I'm going to
photography. And I photographed it.So you can be very lucky, I
suppose, um, And it ispersonal at the end of the day,
it isn't. I don't need validationfrom anybody at all. And that's why,

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you know, at the end ofthe day, could go as well,
why hasn't that girl in the carcome forward? I don't know.
It can affect people in so manydifferent ways. I am going to go
out of my way again and sortof campaign to try and find her.
Of course I am, because thatwould just be remarkable. But you know,
I'm I'm another voice like many manymen, any of us, and
so many more that are coming forwardthat you have to talk about these encounters

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because they're so amazing that you're having, you know, yeah, can you
in a minute sort of sum upyour thoughts on the phenomena where we are
going in this We are obviously ata very interesting, exciting, somewhat unique

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time based on everything that's rolled alongfor seventy five odd years, where for
some of us it really seems likewe may well be on the edge of
things truly shifting. Disclosure is forme an organic process that has been happening
for a particular period of time,but we seem to be heading toward a

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tipping point. Any thoughts on howthings will change when we hit that point?
Wow? Um, Well, we'vegot We've got a few different types
of people, haven't we. Soyou've got an experiences like me, I've
just continued saying about my encounters andmy other encounters, and then you've got

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people that have just so closed off. Like I said to you earlier,
we're in England, you're out inAmerica. You've got stocked news that's just
gone live last week on the youknow, someone is now saying that this
is what's happening. We have craft. You know, I've got people here
in England that have not even pickedup that news at all. So um,

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I am so glad, But Idon't need any validation from from the
government at all. Government. Youknow what, what you know is it
a bag of life? We knowit's not a bag of lies, but
we don't know of what he's sayingis a bag of life? You know?
So um, I know that hehe's well known. But listen,
we've got so many people that Iknow that you know that within ethology that

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have had remarkable experiences and you knowyou're still being poop poos even if you've
got valid proof of it. Imean, no one's got a part of
of of anything. You know,Well, what's the alien implants? And
vary says um. And we can'tvalidate it unless I, let's say,
I still can't validate my experience onLA because I don't have her here.

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It's amazing if you have your witness, given the nature of this subject and
the open ended it is. Youand I have run out of time,
and Bridget Grant, Bridget Barclay,I love you, I miss you,
Thank you so much for joining us. You will be a return. I'll
see you. I'll see you inhall first ye repens here with my special

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guest Bridget Barkley. Uh, staywell, stand up for what you believe
in, and be kind to eachother and we'll see you next week.
Happy fourth, Happy fourth of Julyfor tomorrow all right, guys. Bye,