Dan Harary

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Episode Transcript

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Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to MeanwhileHere on Earth. This program features in
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Good afternoon, evening, or morning, depending on when you are watching.
This is a recorded show or listeninglive right now. This is Peter Robbins
and the show is Meanwhile Here onEarth. And I have not been on
in several weeks as a live personage, but we've been rerunning shows because I

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was down with a really nasty respiratoryinfection, now completely deceased due to the
miracle of antibiotics, and back tobeing my old obnoxious self. It is
now May, it's spring. It'seven beautiful up here in Central New York
State, although it's still too coldat night. No monologue tonight. We

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have a special guest coming to usfrom Beverly Hills, California and author of
several books, one of which isgoing to be a main focus for this
evening. Born and raised near AsburyPark, New Jersey, Dan Harrari which
rhymes with Ferrari, which he doesnot have but may someday is now a

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longtime residence of Beverly Hills, California, and his best known for his forty
plus years in Hollywood as a keepon that Page Peter, as an entertainment
industry publicist, and as the ownerof the boutique Asbury Public Relations Agency.

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During the course of his long PRcareer, Dan has worked with hundreds of
famous celebrities from the fields of film, TV, rock and pop music.
In nineteen seventy, Dan and hisfather, an electronics engineer for the United
States Air Force, had a majorUFO sighting in New Jersey, where he

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grew up. Following his dad's deathin two and seventeen, Dan recalled that
encounter and was inspired to write anoriginal science fiction novel entitled After They Came.
The book has been embraced by manyleading members of the global UFO research
community and UFO media communities. Danalso experienced two other UFO events. In

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nineteen ninety six, High in theSky above the Lancaster, California Desert,
he saw a large white ball oflight quickly travel from one end of the
sky to the other, then stop, then reverse its course by returning to
its point of origin. Not somethingyou forget. And in two thousand and

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eight, while spending a weekend atJames gillions e St Ranch in Washington State
during a UFO conference, Dan andhundreds of other attendees witnessed a bright,
lime green UFO suddenly appear overhead blankets, lights on and off, then disappear.
Dan is a longtime member of theLos Angeles chapter of Muffon, the

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mutual UFO network. In addition,too After They Came. Dan is also
the author of a twenty twenty twoHollywood memoir entitled Flirting with Fame. A
Hollywood publicist recalls fifty years of celebrityclose encounters, which was covered by major
media outlets across America, including Newsweek, The New York Daily News, The

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Village Voice, the Los Angeles Times, The Hollywood Reporter, in the LA
Weekly, among other publications. Toread more about Dan, please see his
very well organized and really interesting website. Dan Harrari hr a r y author
dot com and Dan Harrari. It'sa pleasure to welcome you too. Meanwhile

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here on Earth tonight. Thank you, Peter, thank you very much.
Just one thing you mentioned, Mydad worked for the US Army, not
the Air Force. Don't mind me. I read army and I said air
Force. That's dyslexia and a predispositionfor the air Force. Maybe to get
started, you had contacted me aboutyour book and then sent me a copy,

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and I read it, and Iread it in a wonderfully for me
kind of science fiction contexts, giventhat it is a science fiction title for
sure, which was during a UFOconference called the Ancient Mysteries Conference, aboard
a Norwegian Line cruise ship, oneof those science fiction monster motherships with a

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zillion people on him, to andfrom Bermuda, and it really caught me
off guard. I have never reada science fiction book like it, and
I was unprepared, as I mentionedto you when we chatted a few days
ago, for the unrelenting positive aspectsof the characters, all of the decent

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and good things that happened. It'salmost the exact opposite of Independence Day in
every way possible. The aliens arethe anti Independence Day creatures. They are
good and thoughtful and caring in allrespects. Did you read much science fiction

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as a kid? No, actually, no, not really. I've seen
all the movies. I'm a I'ma child of the of the movies,
you know. When I was little, I saw you know, Hard Day's
Night and Help by the Beatles inthe theaters. I saw an Elvis Present
Presley movie or two with my momwhen I was a little kid. Must

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have been the late fifties. Iwas probably three or four something of a
child of the movies and TV.I have read a lot of books,
but honestly my favorite books theater arebiographies I love. But what you said
about the opposite of Independence Day,that's exactly what I was going for in

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my book. In my book AfterThey Came, it's about two benevolent aliens
who come to Earth about ten yearsfrom now. I said it in the
near future, so it could bewithin the realm of possibility when you're reading
it, you could think, youknow, ten years, it's not so
long from now, you know,And perhaps if you'd like me too,

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I should. My story in thisspace really does begin with the nineteen seventy
setting that you mentioned in my intro, and let's even go back before that
for a few minutes. You wereborn in New Jersey. I was born
and raised just outside Asbury Park,New Jersey. Everyone knows Asbury Park.

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Bruce Springsteen made it very famous.His first album was called, as we
were talking earlier, Greetings from AsburyPark. And as I told you,
Peter, when I was in highschool, I worked in Asbury Park at
a concert hall called the Sunshine End. It's long gone. In high school,
I was the stage manager and theriding director at the Sunshine and I
used to ride my bike there afterschool from age fifteen sixteen seventeen eighteen,

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I worked there with my best friendand we worked with Bruce Springstein. Before
it was the even the eas StreetBand, it was called the Bruce Springstein
Band. Cyrence Clemens, the saxplayer, had just joined it, just
joined the band the week I workedwith Bruce. It was the same week
his very first album was released.So you know, as I was telling

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you earlier, I'm something of anidiot's devolopm when it comes to celebrities.
I've been close to, met,or worked with hundreds of celebrities since nineteen
seventy two. And it continues tothis day. And that's what my first
book, which came out last year, Flirting with Fame, is about that.
But to answer your question, myparents were from Brooklyn. They met

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on Coney Island Beach. Oh.My dad got a job at Fort Mammoth,
New Jersey, US Army base innear Belmar, New Jersey, near
Arasbury Park, and my dad workedthere from nineteen fifty one to nineteen ninety
six as an electronics engineer. Mydad was a gifted scientist. He was

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a brilliant scientist. And so whatlittle my brothers and I ever knew about
my dad was that he designed andhelped to create and produce missiles, radar
systems, and drums for the army. And anytime I ever asked my father

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what he did for a living,he would say, I helped the United
States win the Cold War. That'sall my dad ever said about his job.
His job was top secret man hehad He started out as a GS
five and just the other day,my mother told me when he left he
was at GS thirteen, which ispretty high up on the show. He
had comple He gave talks at thePentagon. He once told me he wrote

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reports that four presidents read. KennedyJohnson and extended fort He said he wrote
some reports that they read. Heused to go out to White Sands,
Edwards, Vandenberg and Fort Bliss,and there may have been others, but
my mother said he used to travelquite often to watch his inventions, essentially,

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and then he would give the dispectsto the contractors and then he'd he'd
go out to White Sands and watchhis his his drones flying around in the
sky. So that's who my fatherwas. Asbury Park, you know,
after a b after Bruce as stronglyassociated with his legendary prowess as a magician,

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a musician. That's interesting forty inslip. But years before turn of
the century, Asbury Park was oneof the great vacation capitals of the East
Coast and the home of a numberof those wonderful, insanely large white wooden

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hotels. And when I was avery little boy, I'm not even sure
if any of them were still leftwhen you were a kid. There may
have been a few, But whenI was really small, maybe five or
six, my grandparents, my dad'sparents vacationed in Asbury Park when I was
young and I remember once somehow beingbrought out there and spending a few days,

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and you know, it was thefirst time I had ever seen a
big swimming pool or building that large, or just that reality. But of
course that's now very much part ofthe past. When you were growing up
small first three you have any siblings, Yeah, so I'm the oldest of
three boys. My middle brother,Bob is the city engineer for the city

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of Monterey, California. He goesto meetings and and Clint East would sometimes
walks in because it's right next toCarmel. My brother, middle brother,
Bob, is a brilliant engineer.He got my father's brain. My little
brother, who's eight years younger thanme, so he's almost he's almost sixty.

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He is a head of HR forthe city of Orange, California.
So my two cover brothers, theyfollowed me out to California, were all
out perfect terrific. When you werea kid, especially if your dad isn't
the military, or wasn't the military, did you, you know, have

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dreams of being a soldier. Youknow what's really interesting about that question.
My dad was the greatest dad youcould ever want to have as a father.
He was a wonderful man. Imiss him every day. I dream
about him quite often. He didnot speak much to anyone at all.
Ever, he was a man offew words. Okay, his job was

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top secret, and man, itwas top secret. He never told my
mother what he did. He nevertold my mother. I've been asking her
lately, and she said he nevertalked about work. Where was I going
with that? But did you askme? I was soldier? Okay,
So, Peter, here's the thing. In all the years my dad worked

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at Fort Mommat two things. OnceI think I was five, he took
me to the base for a Fourthof July parade, the only time in
my entire life I ever saw hisoffice. I was five. All I
remember is guys beating the big youknow, the drums and playing the trumbones
and with the hat. All Iremember is I saw a parade at my

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dad's office. That's all I remember. And a couple of times when I
was in high school, I drawedhim to work, dropped him off at
the front gate at the base soI could have the car for the day
when I first got my license,and then I picked him up and bring
him home. Never went inside,so in my entire life, and he
was there for forty five years.I was there once when I was five.

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I knew nothing about the military,soldiers, my dad, his work,
his office. I knew nothing.I am a child, I'm a
child of rock and roll. Everythingwas rock and roll. Let me ask
you right now then growing up andfor us, really our venue to the

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world of pop music was the radio. Do you remember what songs or groups
electrified you enough as a kid thatyou thought this is important. I want
to be part of this world,or I want to know more about it,
or it speaks to me. Bothof my parents were, in addition

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to their professions and my mother wasa teacher, they were both gifted musicians.
My dad played the trump. Mydad played the trombone, and his
whole life he was in marching bandsorchestras played. My dad was an incredible
trombone player. My mother was,in addition to being a teacher, was
a singer, a pianist, aguitarist and accordionist, a poet, an

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artist, a playwright, and anactress. So when I was little,
I saw both my parents either togetheror parts on stages. For most of
my child that they were on stagesfrom the age of seven to ten,
my parents. My mother wanted meto play the piano because she played the
piano. So from seven to tenI was a classically trained pianist seven to

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ten years old, and I wasvery, very good. Looking back,
I used to give recitals. Butyou know, when you're seven to ten,
your parents are godlike and they tellyou played the piano. Okay,
mommy, you played the piano becausethat's what they here's what happened well.
And from up until the age often, of course, when the Beatles
were on WABC radio in the carwith my mother or father, I would

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turn it up and listen to Helpand Heart Days Die and all the wonderful,
wonderful Beatles songs. But I onlyhave one Beatle album. My mother
bought me a Beatle album when Iwas eight. I listened to it once
and I'm like, oh, yeah, they're pretty good. I also saw
them at Sullivan. My mother said, Danny Camary, I think you'll like
this. And I watched them playat Sullivan the first time, and I

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thought, yeah, that's pretty cool. I was I was eight now we
think sixty four. I was sevenand a half. Peter so you know,
I didn't quite get it at thepoint. Now we come to the
year nineteen sixty six. I'm ten, who came one years who came on
TV The Monkeys. Okay, theMonkeys came on TV. I saw the

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very first episode on a black andwhite TV. We didn't even have color.
And I looked at that and Ifell in love with Mickey Dolan and
I said, turned around. Isaid, mom, Dad, I'm no
longer playing a piano. I amnow a drummer. I literally said that.
From the first episode of the month, it got me practiced drums.

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I took lessons for three years,hardcore lessons from some major major and for
my bar mitzvah, I got adrum set. I have been into rock
music since nineteen sixty six, fromthe Monkeys to this day. Perfect get
in ninety twenty years later, Imet Mickey do cool things and I go

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Mickey, I played drums my wholelife, Chrissy you and he goes cool
man. I hear that all thetime. So Mickey and I became friends.
We used to have lunch together atColumbia Pictures in nineteen eighty s so
I met my childhood hero wonderful.By the time you were in high school,
most kids, even if they,you know, are into aspects of

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popular culture and music, are notthinking about careers in public relations. What
were you thinking about, dreaming aboutimagining who might be by the time you
were in high school and the pressurewas starting to get on to go to
college and think about your future andall that stuff. In high school,
my friends and I would look atthe prettiest girls in school with the hot

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pants and the miniskirts, and wewould go, God, look at her,
She's so beautiful. She'd never talkedto me, and that was what
we did. We never none ofus never, because we would fell in
love with all the cheerleaders. Wewere the hippies. I had the longest
hair, literally in school long hair. I looked like a Jewish Indian.
My father used to call me showoff, the Jewish Indian. I had

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very, very long here. Allmy friends were rock band. We had
rock bands. We worked at theSunshine in Concert Hall rubbing shoulders with Kiss
and Bruce Springstey. We went toevery concert that was at Convention Hall,
which was the big band, likeYes and Emerson Lake in Palmer and Mountain

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in Chicago and the Eagles. Somy life revolved around rock and roll and
staring at beautiful girls from Afar.That was my life. Now I'm eighteen.
I graduated high school and my fathergoes, Okay, so you're gonna
go to Rutgers University because I wentthere. I said, okay, Dad,
I love my dad. I knewnothing about college. I knew no

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things about the future. I hadzero, zero point zero thoughts about my
future. My life was rocket rolland staring at beautiful launce in miniscript and
that was literally all I had.Suddenly I'm at Rutgers. My freshman year,
I had the longest hair of anyoneon the entire campus, and I
said, what am I doing here? Like? What's going on? I

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mean, I was my mother wantedme to be a dentist, so I'm
like, okay, I guess i'llbe a no bring on my own.
I guess I'll be a dentist.So I'm taking biology and chemistry, and
I'm like, what am I doinghere? This is that year, my
freshman year of college, Peter iswhen I realized, Okay, I better
come up with something for myself,because what my parents want for me to

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be a dentist. I don't wantto be a dentist. That was my
year eighteen to nineteen. During thatyear, my best friend from Vesbury Park
was going to the Berkeley College ofMusic in Boston, and I used to
go to Boston to visit him,and he showed me Boston and talk about
find in love with the city.And so when I said to my parents,

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I go, Mom, Dad,I know it's expensive. I want
to go to Boston University. Iwant to study TV and film and theater
and and and advertising. And I'dnever said public relations, Peter, that's
what's interesting. Well I sort ofsummed it up in a way with all
of those media let's let's call itmedia slash. I knew that they had

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a good communication school. I said, Mom, Dad, Rutgers is not
for me. I'm not a scientistlike you. Dad. I want to
go to Boston. I want tobe with my friend Steve. We were
separable from childhood. We were bestfriends at home. I love Boston.
They have a great communication school.That's where I need to be. So
they thought bitterly about that. Whyit was very expensive. My dad was

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not happy. He lost that fight. My mother one. So I went
to Boston University sophomore, junior,senior year. I studied communications, which
was advertising, marketing, journalism,TV production, radio production, film production,
every single thing Peter accept accept publicrelations. So one wants to ask

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me, Dan, why don't youtake a PR class? I go PR?
Why would I ever dream in amillion years? I would never want
to. I didn't know what PRwas, to be honest, I just
didn't like the sound of it.So I actually said to a friend,
this is in the seventies, PR, We are you kidding? I'm never
going to do that. I've beena publicist for over forty years, so

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that shows you how much I knewat that time. The other side story
is Howard Stern was going there whenI was there, and I went to
the same high school a few shortyears apart. Your very first public relations
opportunity job, so to say,did that happen in kind of a formal

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way once you had relocated to theWest Coast or did something happen at about
that time that brought you into thatworld of helping promote somebody? Great question?
Great question? Okay. So Igraduated BU nineteen seventy eight, a
bachelor of Science Greek Communications. Seventyeight event nine. My best friend and

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I Steve, who I mentioned earlier. By the way, today, my
friend Steve owns the Cutting Room nightclubat Manhattan world famous nightclub. Lady Gaga
wasn't just discovered. There's my friendSteve helped literally helped discover Lady Gaga.
Nothing serious. My lifelong best friend. He did in New York what I
did in Hollywood, So let's justkeep that cool. Seventy nine early eighty

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I worked at the New Jersey Voter. It was a boating monthly magazine on
the Jersey Shore. I was theart director for that magazine. My first
job out of college. Asked mewhat I know about boats? Zero point
zero? I had never been ona boat. I think I'd seen a
boat on Billigan's Island. I knewno things about both art director for a

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boating magazine. It was a solidyear and a half plus. After that
year and a half plus, I'mlike, my mother goes, why don't
you go to New York and acomedy writer for television and get on Saturday
Night Live. That's where my mothersays, and I thought, you know,
that would be pretty cool. SoI took a week off from the

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New Jersey Voter, which was onthe Jersey Shore, and I literally hit
the streets of Manhattan. An uncleof mine gave me his office. I
had an uncle gave me an office. So I had a desk and a
phone and somewhere to sit. AndI called every media company, every TV
station. I called everybody I couldthink of, and I got some appointments,

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but they were all like, youknow, how fast can you type?
And how is your shorthand how's myshorthand? I'm like, what we
be talking? Do you want meto be a secretary? Right? The
last call I made, Peter.On my last day, I called a
friend named Steu Zacom Stew's Acomb,who I knew from Boston University. He
worked at Columbia Pictures on Fifth Avenue. I said, hey, Stu,

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I'm in town. I'm looking forwork. You want to have lunch?
He goes, I just got promotedyesterday today. Because why don't you come
over here? I think maybe Ican get too much old job. I
go, Really, Peter, Ididn't know what Columbia Pictures was. I
didn't know about the major movie.I mean, I really didn't I knew
about network TV a little bit.I didn't know about the major movie studios

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in nineteen eighty I really didn't.I'm twenty three, twenty four years old.
I go there to meet my friend. He introduces me to his boss,
who literally was he was used towork for it and was friends with
the Warner Brothers. Not like OrderBrothers. He was friends with the Warner
brothers. This guy was probably onehundred years old, but he was there.

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He interviewed me, he hired meon the spot. Now I'm working
at Columbia Pictures in Manhattan. Well, I had to buy suits. I
had to figure out how to getthere from the Jersey Shore four hours a
day on a bus. Whoa,I had to I didn't know. I'd

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been to Manhattan countless times as achild, but I didn't know Manhattan as
far as I had to work there. So I commuted from the Jersey Shore
into Manhattan for four months, everysingle day, four hours a day.
That's twenty hours a week on thebus. And I couldn't take it.
I couldn't do it. I wasI was actually shaking. I was shaking,

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but that was I worked in thepublicity department. I met Brookshield and
her mother. I knew them.We worked on the Blue Lagoon movie that
summer. I was friends with Brookeand her mother. Brooke was fifteen.
Her mother used to call her Brookieor Brookie Me. Brooks Shield and her
mother watched The Blue Lagoon together ina private screening room, just the three

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of us. And at the endof that I said, Brookie did great
jobs. She was, Oh,I was terrible. I hate that movie.
I hope, I hope no oneever sees it. That movie made
Brooks Shields very famous, and Brook'smother liked me because I was nice to
her. At Brooks mother didn't likeanyone. They called her terrible Terry Shields,
Terry Terrible, Terry Shields, andshe liked me. People used to

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say, how does Terry like you? Everyone else at my office they feared
when she came to People used tohide literally high and closed their door.
So I only worked at Columbia forfour months. But Peter, that was
like for me in retrospect, therewas a glimpse behind the curtain. It
was the Wizard of Oz moment.I saw behind the curtain of a major
movie studiospr department, and I hadthat knowledge with me that fall. By

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circumstance, kids met whatever. Ihad friends in LA who said, come
visit. I went to my dad. I said, Dad, I have
friends in LA. Should I visit. He goes, schmuck moved there.
I said, really, that's theentertainment business. Just moved there. I
said, oh, okay, Andmy entire life literally changed when my father

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called me schmuck moved there. It'sa true story, I said, okay.
I sold all my possessions. Iflew out to LA with my friend
Steve, who stayed at my friend'scouch for a while. He went back
to New York. I've been hereever since. That was October nineteen eighty.
Wow, let's go back to nineteenseventy and the UFO sighting you had

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with your dad that later, ina way, it helped to change your
life by becoming an author of abook that's receiving more and more attention right
now, Can you tell us aboutthat day and everything that you remember about
that event with your dad? Sure? Sure, nineteen nineteen. Going back
to the Asbury Park, Jersey Shorearea in nineteen seventy March nineteen seventy,

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I was just about to turn fourteen. So let's say I was fourteen years
old. My dad picked me upfrom school one day in his car,
I think it was about four o'clockin the afternoon to drive me home.
My dad and are driving home suburbanNew Jersey afternoon, March nineteen seventy.
As we're driving, I looked throughthe windshield above my dad's car and Peter,

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I swear this was a huge silverletter V, like Victor, a
letter V craft. Each wing ofthe V. I'm guessing now it's been
so many years, but I'm guessingabout the size of two school buses.
So each wing was fairly long,maybe two or three hundred feet above us,
but not more than that. Soload of the ground hovering over my

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father's car, completely silent, nosmoke, no propellers, no propulsion,
silent, just something you would neversee in the real world, completely out
of character for reality. And Isaw through the windshield, Go, Dad,
there's a UFO. Stop the car. Dad, stop the car.
There's a UFO. He stopped thecar. My dad and I got out

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of the car, stood in frontof the car. Looked straight up,
Peter, straight up, there's thislooks like one of the Pyramids of Egypt.
You know it would be equally incongruouswas above us, and I go,
Dad, Oh my god, ufo, Dad, How cool? How
cool? Isn't this great? Thisis so cool? Right dad? Right?
Dad? My dad looked at it, Peter like he was looking at

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the head of let us in thesupermarket. No expression, no curiosity,
fear, happiness, sadness, nozero, no expression of any good.
He was looking as though he werewatching his car go through a car watching
and I'm telling you the truth.No expression. Then here's the killer.
He looked over at me. Hewinked at me. My father winked at

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me and said, come on,kid, let's go home. Okay,
get in the car, go home. I go run into the kitchen.
We had a rotary tail us on. I remember. I called the Asbury
Park Press. I said, myname is Danny, my dad, and
I just saw ufo. We sawa ufo in the sky. It was
of my neighborhood and it's so excitingand it was a silver be And the

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lady goes, sunny, Stunny,I can't talk to you right now.
I'm getting hundreds of phone calls aboutthis. I can't talk she said,
I remember clearly. We can't talkright now. I have to go.
Um, I'm very sorry, andshe hung up. Nothing ran in the
newspaper, Peter that I checked thepaper right there. Nothing ever, is

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now the moment, the more amazingpart of that story. And you mentioned
it earlier. I completely forgot thatthat happened for forty seven years, completely
and utterly out of my mind forforty seven years. Now, what right?

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I saw your I saw your noteat dev Gobble's book. You had
a something similar happen to you,a childhood siding with one of my sisters.
And in my case, um,I could not handle it. It
was too much for me to contemplate, to incorporate into my belief system and

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my understanding of the universe. AndI repressed the memory, I think,
working very hard to do that,and it was more than fourteen years in
my case before to merge. Yourmemory of this event came back after your
father died, right, that's right? So about how long after? Out

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of curiosity? Okay, So mydad died in April twenty seventeen and in
Florida with his second life about itwithin a week of his death. Within
a week I went to Junior's Delhiin West LA and I have to tell

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the Delhi Park because it's the funnypart of the story. I went to
my favorite deli in April twenty seventeento get up astrami sala and think about
my dad, just literally to gocontemplate and to think about my dad and
how much I missed them and lovedthem. I'm sitting there, I ordered
a pastrami sandwich. I'm telling youthe God's honest truth. I'm sitting there,

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minding my own business at the table, and Peter, something from above,
I call it a beam. Somethingbeamed into my brain from above,
like God, spirit, an angel, my father's angel, creativity. Something

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came into my brains as I'm sittingthere, and I saw in my mind's
eye and I watched it the homemovie of Me and my Dad from nineteen
seventy and the V shaped craft.Peter. I had forgotten it for forty
seven years. I sat there andI'm watching it, and I'm going,
Holy s words, I am seeingsomething I completely forgot about. It was

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given to me. It was literallygiven to me. It was like a
gift. It was a gift.It was a gift. Maybe my dad's
ghost. I don't know. AndI could talk about my dad's ghost.
That's my next book because my dadinteracted with me many many times after he
died. That's my next book.But so I had this vision of that

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sighting. I asked the waiter fora pen. I had a paper placement
matt on the deli count. Iasked them for a penant my hand.
My hand then wrote the following things. Write a book about benevolent aliens,
lead character discovers. His father knewabout UFOs. And then I wrote,

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I wrote capital A, capital T, capital C, and I swear I
didn't know what those letters were.And I just put my hand away and
I looked, and I just said, after they came, I go AC.
After they came, I go,well, I guess I need to
write a book now. I atemy Pastrami salace. I drove on as

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fast as I could, and everysingle day, twelve hours a day,
for the next eight months, Iwrote this book. After they can.
I have heard a lot of genesisstories of how shouldn't create projects begin,
but never one triggered by a childhoodmemory like that coupled with a really good

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PASTRAMI sandwich. I knew you weregoing to say that. Maybe the Bastami
has something to do with it.I don't know. I think it's also
a Jewish thing, and Jews havebeen known to argue, sometimes to the
point of almost violence, although we'remuch better at talking each other to death
than using weapons. About the verybest pastrami available for me, it's cats,

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is on Houston Street in Manhattan.But I have been so long time
since i've is it at any LosAngeles delis another reason I would like to
return to California. So this thingcame to you with the outline. Fully
you knew what you were going todo, and you followed through on it.

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It didn't occur to you at firstto do something more traditional like scary
aliens or a great deal of angstor confused signals. And then I mean,
they emerge from the beginning as highwe're here, we care about you,
and we want to help you solveyour problems. I was. I've

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been doing a lot of interviews thelast three months all over the world,
and I did one last week witha bunch of ladies in LA who are
channelers and their mediums and channels.Oh boy, wonderful ladies. I'm having
lunch with one of them next week. And as I described this, they
said, oh, so, Dan, you channeled, you channel your book.

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I said really. They go,yeah, you channeled it, and
I said, okay, because youknow what Peter I did. Paul McCartney.
Paul McCartney dreamed the song yesterday.You know this. He dreamed the
song. It was scrammed scrambled eggs, DA data, scrambled eggs. He

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woke up from the dream, wrotescrambled eggs on the piano. He played
it for John Lennon, he playedit for m George Martin and George Harrison.
He goes, is this something?They go, no, we don't
know what that is. He dreamedit. He channeled the song yesterday.
I'm not in his league, ofcourse, but do I believe in that?

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Yes, I channeled this book.It was given to me. Now,
benevolent aliens, here's my thinking.Independence Day, War of the Worlds,
Mars attacks the famous you'll and you'llknow this immediately, the famous the
famous Twilight Zone episode to serve man, don't get on the ship. It's

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a cookbook in modern folklore, certainlyin the movies and TV modern folklore,
the aliens come to kill us oreat us. Usually. I mean,
you have a starman every once ina while, but more often than they're
Malvin or et or et or thealiens at the end of close encounters.

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Those are those are the kind ones, but there are very few. The
kind ones are far outweighed by thebad one. So when I'm writing this
book, I'm like, I needa lead character who finds out that his
dad, his late dad was ascientist who worked for the military and knew
about UFOs because having just been mourningmy dad, and when I had that

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the nineteen seventy movie played Peter,I realized my dad knew what that was.
I truly in my heart because wiseto look on his face the wink.
And then after he died, here'sanother part of the clues. After
my dad died, I called mymother. She's still alive. I said,
Mom, did Dad ever talk aboutUFOs? She said no, But

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early on in his career, atFort Momots, around nineteen fifty one or
fifty two, they took him downinto deep into the vaults at the fort.
At Fort Momots, deep into thevault, they showed him something top
secret, or tell anyone as longas you live. He came home,

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she said he was pale and nervousand sweaty, and she said, honey,
what's wrong. He goes, Isaw it talthy today. I can
never tell you it was a toptore. I can never tell you that.
My mother said he would never wasthe same after that. I think
about that. Yeah, he sawsomething profound. I personally, I personally
think he saw some alien technology orI don't think. I don't think he

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saw a dad alien. I don'tthink they would have shifted to Fort Mamma
futures. But my dad was ascientist and everything where he worked was electronics.
Where he worked Camp Evan, andI think he was shown some This
is my theory. I can't proveit. My father's dad, I can't

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prove it. But my gut isthat my dad knew about reverse alien technology,
having seen or something from a craft. Because when my dad saw a
flying V in the sky in nineteenseventy and had no reaction, well,
clearly he knew what that was.You or I or any normal person would

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have been jumping up and down,like we got to call the news.
This is so great how cool aliensare real. My dad was like,
la da da da da, Let'sgo get a sandwich. He had trained
himself and been trained and to respondin I'm sure many appropriate cases with no

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discernible response. I probably that here'swhat I think, and I'm starting to
I honestly, I, honestly,in retrospect, now believe that Flying V
was man made military drone drone usingreverse alien technology. Because my dad told

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me a couple of times, youknow, I was in on the very
start of drugs before he died.He told me a couple of times,
you know, early early drone technology. That was me. He did say
that a couple of times. Ithink that thing was a drone, and
I think it was created to appearlike a UFO so people would be scared.

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But my dad, you know,said I used, we used to
spy. He said, I helpedbuild technology to spy on our enemies.
So, putting all these clues together, I believe that that was a military
craft that my dad and I sawit at that day. I was very
moved at the end of the book, when you discussed your father, you

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step away from your role as author, and we learned something about this episode
and how it inspired you. ButI was. It really touched me that
the whole impetus for this book wastriggered by the love you have for your

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father and in honoring his memory bythinking creativity, creatively and informing your narrative
with things that were more about yourdad than not. In talking about the

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book, I want to be carefulnot to have any spoilers, but because
it's promoted in the liner notes,basically, our protagonist, our main character,
our starring person, is on acertain level and every man whose life
has really not worked out at all, with no area that really has worked

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out. And I have a verydark sense of humor. And I worked
Christ's Intervention hotline for many years inNew York and spoke to a lot of
people who I'm sure, or quiteas sure as I can be. Certainly
we're deeply depressed, but a goodnumber who were suicidal, some of them

(43:42):
actively suicidal. And it's not ajoking matter. At the same time,
you open the book with him lookingat his life and saying, right time
for me to leave this planet anddeveloping his plan to end his life,
which is a good plan. Itlooks like one way or another he wasn't

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going to make it through the firstchapter, and I thought, this is
interesting. This is a very interestingdevice, and again without hurting the narrative,
this man is prepared to overdose,drig himself to death and drown at

(44:27):
the same time, and it's he'sfinally succeeded in because something it's about to
happen, and it doesn't work out. He is taken at that moment,
and then the ride begins from there. Where did you come up with that
idea? Because you're walking a veryinteresting line between I had a friend take

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his own life a little more thana week ago. It happens, and
it's always a tragedy and you tryto make sense of it, but at
the same time, there is anaspect of the way that you tell it
and completely appropriate. You know,life is, as we all know,
a stew of the good, thebad, the happy, the sad,

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the scary, the wonderful, allat the same time sometimes And this was
such an original idea, and itcould have been macabre or maudlin, or
icky or uncomfortable, but you usedit to launch this character. And for
me, just the very last sentenceof the first chapter was like what be

(45:34):
here we go. Where did youcome up with that? That's great stuff.
I was thinking I should read thisbook, you know. Okay,
couple of things. The lead characteris based on many aspects of my life,

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good and bad. Big picture numberone, number two. And this
is very painful to admit, butfrom the age of fifteen to the age
of forty, I was clinically depressed, and it was undiagnosed. And I
was a depressed person Peter for twentyfive years, undiagnosed. When I turned

(46:21):
forty, I went to a psychiatristand I said, I can never smile.
What's wrong with me? And Itold him my stuff. He goes,
he goes, I am so proudof you for what you've accomplished without
medication. He said, Dan,You're like a diabetic that never had insolence.
Oh my gosh. He wrote mea prescription for Prozac a week later.

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Less than a week later, Iwas smiling, and two months later
I launched a million dollar business andhad women fallen through the windows. My
life literally remarkably changed when I turnedforty and I became undepressed. Okay,
so so modern day me plus manymany years of like in college, I

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was I was. I wasn't suicidalto act. I was suicidal in my
thoughts, Like you know, ifI killed myself, Okay, my parents
would cry. You know, mybrothers might be upset. Who cares?
No one's going to care. Ihad that adiation. You know, if
I leave, who cares? Noone's going to care. So a couple

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that from earlier in my life tomy modern day. Now. I am
a successful businessman, I have awonderful daughter, I have lots of friends.
I've been dating with him my wholesince I became undepressed. But what
if this lead character is based onme, but like in bizarre opposite land
of me, a present day me. So I made him a different depressed

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guy whose business failed. He's divorced. He's divorced from his second wife.
First wife we killed in a caraccident. I'm divorced. So I've plugged
some of that in there. Iwill admit this. It's not something I'm
happy about. I have a son. He and I have been a strange
for five years. We've not talked, spoken in five years, not a

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word. He lives in Alaska andhe knows I love him, and we
can't work out our stuff. Soin the book, I had this character
have two a strange children. Ipersonally have an estrange son. Yeah,
so I put I put the bad, all the bad I could comp into
delete character because who knows better belitecharacter for me than me the author.

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So, but I didn't want thisguy to be the star of the show.
I wanted the aliens who come tosave him and reveal themselves to the
world as benevolent. They're from playItes, They're benevolent. They're tall whites,
they're Nordics. They're seven feet tall, long, white hair, blue
eyes. You know in the movieit would be Brad hit and Blake Lively.

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That'd be the Man and the Womanof us too, most beautiful humans
the gun ever created. And theysaved this guy's life. They present at
Dodger Stadium to the world that we'rehere. Don't be afraid, we love
you. We're here to protect andserve mankind, not like to eat,

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not to eat them, but tohelp them. And they say, we
have a relationship with this guy.We just saved this guy who's going to
be our ambassador to mankind's So sothat's how they present him. They leave,

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he's at Dodger Stadium. He justwas drowning, and now he's the
most famous man in the world becausehe was on live global television. The
guy all he wanted to do wasdrown on a seventh at birthday. He
just wanted to be dead. Nowhe's the most famous man of the world.
They take him to meet the president. Now, at the time I
wrote the first draft, there wasa rumor that Oprah Winfrey was going to

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run for president in twenty seven.There was a rumor, and I thought,
Wow, most people like Oprah.She'd be a very interesting president.
She'd be at the least a veryempathetic president to have. So my character
is named Tamika Winfield, and Ithink Oprah Winfrey. If anyone asked here
reads my book, the president isOprah Winfrey. Okay, So she meets

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the military. Take this guy tomeet oh President, and she goes,
who are you, Johnathan Tuckerman?Who are you? What's going on?
What's happening? Why did aliens justsave your life? What's happening? He
goes, I don't have the slightestidea. I don't know anything at all.
I'm clueless. All I wanted todo is be dead, I hate
my life, and now I'm sittingwith the President of United States. Well

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over the next course of the hundredof the first third of the book,
she sets him up at the UNwith a team. She reunites him with
his estranged children, and the teammeet with the aliens once a month.
Peter, as you know, you'reat the book to solve problems. What
do they do? First? Heasked the aliens to eliminate all nuclear weapons

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from the planet. And they do, and they do, they melt all
the nuclear weapons. So right offthe bath is guys like Kalie Heck.
Who is this John Tuckerman. He'sfriends with aliens. And over the course
of the first year that he's atthe UN, they solve famine, they
say, they provide clean water.The aliens give mankind billions of dollars in

(51:37):
gold to build homeless shelters. Theyreverse climate change. They give us technology
to control and curb overpopulation. Theyeliminate anger and hatred for Mankinds of guns
are no longer done, weapon warsor God. It's my genie's bottle,
It's my utopian version. If Ihad a wish list, what would they

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are? You deal with? Aliens. That's what happens in the first third,
I think, and I'm curious toknow if you're even aware of it
in a sense, by taking acharacter who is not just obscure, unknown,
uncared for, but a failure anda cast off person in a sense,

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and overnight he becomes not one ofhe becomes the most famous person in
the world. In doing so,you've set up something of a meditation on
fame and on the weight of fame, on the ironies and the surprises.

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Going from being no One in quotesto being you know, every pop star
imaginable and every statesperson and every inspiredreligious leader all rolled into one. That
is a lot for him to handle. And his insecurities continue coming up understandably

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throughout the narrative. Once you startedto get rolling on the book, did
you already have ideas on how toresolve it? Because I could just see,
Okay, I'm in the groove nowI'm creating, bringing out another character
and resolving out of the problem,and I'm intertwining it with another relationship of

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a character that's already been introduced,So as you could just go on like
that for a prolonged period of timeand then say, where do I go
now? Or did you have anidea of where your narrative was headed right
up to the end of the storywhen you were early on in the book.
It's as we know what happens inany number of ways, like any

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creative project. That's a great question. I had the first third mapped out
pretty well. The first third,just to recap, this guy is drowning
on his seventieth birthday, hates hislife, gets rescued by magnificent aliens from
the future from wherever they're from,in a huge craft that's clearly not man

(54:29):
made, and they present to theworld and they say, here's our guy.
We're going to help you. Andover the course of a year they
solved pretty much every mischief problem youcould think of. And Peter, at
the end of that third I knewthat this guy was going to win the
Nobel Peace Prize. I mean thatwas you know, where do you go?
You win the Nobel Peace Prize?So so and my mother I think

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that's my favorite part of my mother'sfavorite parte is the Nobel Prize. So
on day one he's drowning in theocean, and one year later, exactly
he's winning to know Bill Peace Bridesintroduced by the President, and he's the
most famous man in the world.Like you said, that's the first third.
I had that in my head becauseagain, if I had a genius

(55:12):
lamp, then I was Aladdin,and instead of three wishes, I had
three hundred wishes. My first wishthe world would be eliminate all nuclear and
biological. That would be the firstthing I would personally say, I know,
I know that. I would saythat I wouldn't have today, I
need five million dollars in the bed. I would say, I want all
nuclear gone forever from the planet Earth, and human can't make them again.

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we are back with author Dan Harrari. And before getting started, I just
want to read you one of thequotes on the back of his book.
Here After They Came is a captivatingnovel of benevolent alien contact, incorporating author
Dan Harrari's vision of how to solvehumanity's most intractable pro problems in order to

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create a world of abundance and peace. While exploring the impact of alien contact
on the people of Earth, Harari, a skilled writer, offers up a
thought provoking example of identifying just what, in his judgment, really needs fixing.
That's from Richard Dolan, author ofUFOs in the National Security State and

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ad After Disclosure when the government finallyreveals the truth about UFOs. So we're
talking about the book now. TheUnited Nations enters into the story in also
a wonderful what if kind of wayas the facilitator. It certainly got a

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lot of bad rap over the decades, and some of it with good cause.
You the story keeps developing to apoint where we learn something about the
relationship of one of the lead oneof the alien characters with our lead character.

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I don't want to give that away, but how did that come to
you? I thought it was completelysurprising to me how you drew one of
those characters into the relationship with ourprotagonist. Okay, so before the break,
I had recapped the first third ofthe book, ending in the Nobel

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Prize. Second third of the book, Peter is what you just adjusted me.
I knew that I wanted to tipmy hat to my father in this
book. And again I never knewam I, even my mother and my
brothers, we never really knew exactlywhat he did. He was a secretive

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guy, but he had just passed. He was in my heart when I'm
writing this book in the first draft. So the first third I had it.
This guy's drowning, he gets saved, and he heard these aliens cure
every problem, and he wins theNobel Front. That alone could have been
a book. But that alone wasabout one hundred pages. And I'm like,

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okay, I'm a third. I'ma third of the way. I
think my goal was literally my goalwas three hundred pages, you know.
So I said, okay, I'ma third of the way there. What
do I do now? Well,a little voice in my head kept saying,
Dan, if this guy was realand and and the friend of aliens
and solving all these problems and gettingall this media attention and the must be

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loved the most famous man in theworld, essentially Elvis, the Elvis of
the year twenty thirty three, wouldn'tpeople ask him why? Why? You
you know, Peter, I hadto think, like why him? Like
the thought bubble, why this guyby him? And I'm like, wow,
that's a great question. Why wouldaliens, who are magnificent and benevolent

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pick this schlop, the schlove thisloser, this nebbish you know character?
Why would they pick him? Well, that's the second third of the book.
So I had that in my head, and I had and I had
in my head. I gotta getmy dad in there, my dad character
in there. So not to giveaway too much, but in the second

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third of the book, the leadcharacter, when he's on the ship with
the aliens after a year, hegoes, you know what, you guys
have been wonderful, thank you foreverything. Why did you pick me?
Like like he finally thinks it occursto him a year later, why'd you
pick me? And the lead malealien, Jorthon is his name, He

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says, hold on a minute,and he gives Jonathan, the character like
a shoebox, this piece of technology. It's like a shoe, and he
goes, watch this. He'd callthis home movies. Watch this. So
Jonathan is on its on the UFO, on the craft above the un and
he's watching home movies. And itturns out he's watching his father from nineteen

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sixty three, which is seventy yearsin the past, testing missiles and Edward's
Air Force base in California, Andas his father's a young man, he's
surrounded by military brass. If yousee a sign Edward's Air Force Base in
the home video, and he's watchingand his father is testing a missile.

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Well, not to give too muchaway, but the missile interacts with a
with a small UFO, and Jonathan'sdad, on his way home from the
base that night, sees the crashedUFO in the in the side of the
road and there's a little alien creaturethere crawling out the UFO and he's and

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he's hurt. He's been wounded fromthe crash. You know, part of
me thinks, if you ever liketo show my favorite Marsha and me remember
my favorite Marsha was I with RayWalston had the thing. Oh yes,
well that was one of my favorites. Because anyway, so the dash driving
home from the fourth from the Edwardsand he sees this crash craft glowing and

(01:05:25):
it's also Superman. You know,let's face it, it's it's Kalel.
It's Kalel as well. He seesthis first, he sees this little alien
guy and he very gently approaches thischaracter and and he sees he's wounded and
and part of most of him islike, oh, I got to bring
this creature to the base. Youknow, at the least it could give

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him medical attention, and telepathically thefeature says, no, please, don't
do that. Don't do that.They'll study me, they'll they'll they'll put
me in a in a cage,they'll they'll torture me. Please, police,
don't take me to the base.Police, don't do that. So
he scoops him up, saves him. Then he intersects with his wife,
who is the lead character's mom,who happens to be at the motel near

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Edwards Air Force Base. So theparents, the lead character's parents seventy years
earlier, saved the life of alittle alien. They saved his life.
They brought him back to left anddon't tell the folks anymore than that,
because that was one of the totallyout of left field surprises toward the end

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of the book. And we havean inkling that it's coming. There is
conflict and it comes from the draconians, bad aliens. You handled it in
a way that made sense and notwithout some loss. But you create an

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event in Manhattan to mark our leadcharacters many accomplishments at a certain number,
you know, as time passes,and you use that very positive event as

(01:07:24):
a point to again I'm speaking crypticallyfor good reason, because I don't want
to ruin this for people, Butyou use that backdrop to kind of create
the climax of the book. Andas somebody that knows and loves New York

(01:07:45):
City, there is a certain amountof real estate damage before things are resolved.
It's fairly minimal, but it involvessome major structures, and that hurt
me very much to think about thosebuildings that I love in distress. It

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It really is a once upon atime story. It's a fable for our
times for me, and where Ikept kind of banging my head on it
was I'm not used to reading storieslike that. I'm read for my own

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enjoyment of reading. I read agreat deal of espionage fiction and Cold war
fiction, and also biographies and oftenof figures from that time. And you
forget that it isn't out of thequestion that good people can come together and

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accomplish wonderful things. We live ina world that is so increasingly divisive and
at its own throat, and divisionsbetween people more and more are our cause
for real angst, exaggeration and atthe same time genuine vindictiveness. You've given

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us something here that is completely antithetical, and I'm going to take a moment
here and read another statement by anotherone of your readers, because it dovetails
into my points. Dan Harrari sciFi novel is an imaginative futuristic vision of

(01:09:38):
myriad themes currently put forth by thoseactive in the areas of UFO and alien
visitation, not all of which arecompatible with my own experience and understanding of
this important topic, but is writtenwould also be best understood by those familiar
with the lore of the genre.The style of the images is in after

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they came are presented in such agraphic visual style that, with the inclusion
of more of the background and historicsources needed by the uninitiated, it could
serve as the basis for an entertainingfilm adoption. That from Travis Walton,
author of Fire in the Sky andsubject of a film based on his experience

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by that name, also the subjectof an Outstanding Documentary Award winning documentary called
Travis Walton The True Story Travis TheTrue Story of Travis Walton. Because you've
lived so much of your life intandem with the film and television world,

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was this part of the rail thatyou were running on as you were writing.
Was it just thinking about writing abook, completing a book, or
the natural extension of seeing it broughtto the screen at some point if you
could accomplish what you were after incompleting your story. I wrote this in

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twenty seventeen, right after my daddied, solely as a creative work,
as a tribute to my father's memory. I channeled the basic premise and it
was from God or God, creativespirit, whatever, whoever gave it to

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me. I considered that a gift, literally, a gift from above.
This book was given to me asa gift. I finished this book Peter
in early twenty eighteen. To writeit, I spent the next four years,
four years pitching this book, notas a movie, as a book,

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as a book publishers and literary agentsall over the world for four years.
Nothing, no things. Oh,science fiction, well, you know
we don't handle that. Or aliens. Yeah, I think we've had enough
aliens. I got very, verylucky. In spring of twenty twenty two,

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I pitched it to a company inMilwaukee called Genius Books, and they
said, we love this premise,send us the book. It's a husband
and wife Stephen and Leah booth.I'm very very grateful to them. They
said, here's your contract, let'sdo it. So that was like exactly
a year ago from now. Wow. So I started it in twenty seventeen.

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I finished it in twenty eighteen.In twenty twenty two, I got
a book deal. And last summertwenty twenty two, it's when I got
the Richard Dolans and the Travis Waltons. And also I got a wonderful quote.
She didn't make the cover in time. Kathleen Martin gave me a lovely
quote as well. You know,I'm sure you know her very well.

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So as a publicist, I'm like, I got to get my ducks in
a row. So that's why Igot the book reviews in ads. The
book came out March first this year, March first, just a couple of
months ago. That weekend, Iwas at alien Con in Pasadena. I
gifted my book to Eric van Denikin. He goes, oh, after they
came, I haven't read this oneyet, I go Eric, it just

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came out three days ago. Yeah, isn't that great? I love that
picture so much, so I giftedhim that book. I gave Georgio a
copy I gave Nick Pope, whohad given me the quote last year.
I signed a copy for me andhe and I are supposed to have dinner
together next time he's in LA.I met William Henry. I met David

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Childress, I met Paul Heineck.I met George Knapp, I met Jeremy
Corbell. I met you know,like the Ancient Aliens Greatest Hits at that
show I met I met up therethe peep and I had a booth.
My daughter and I had a booth, and people would come up and say,
oh, after they came, what'sit about? And I'd say,
benevolent benevolent aliens? Really, andevery Peter, everyone who came, benevolent

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aliens and tell me more. SoI would tell them the story and they
say okay, and they bought it. One guy came and I said,
benevolent, just benevolent aliens, becauseI only like evil violent. He actually
said, I only like evil violentalien. He was like, he was
angry at me. It's like whatfleets fat fat? So he won't do

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it. But I saw them aton of books an alien con Now since
March first, people like you,George nor Jimmy Church Jeremy Scott, Dave
Scott. I've been doing these podcastsall over the world for three months.
Everybody everyone's telling me it should bea movie. Everyone's telling me today I

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think of it as a movie.No, absolutely, I would never be
that presumptuous, nor would I bethat hopeful. To be honest, I
mean, for me making this amovie, he's like me growing hair back
on my head, or dating ordating Britney Spears. I don't see those
things happening times too, but Ido have some leads. See I was.

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I've been a publicist. A publicisthandles clients and deals with media.
I don't know literary agents. Really, I've met a couple. I don't
know that world, and they don'tknow me. So, believe it or
not, all the acclaim I've gottenfrom around the world with this book,
I am right now actively seeking aliterary agent to pitch the book to Steven

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Spielberg, to JJ Abrahams, toGuierramo del Touro, to m Night Shamalan,
anyone you know. I'll make awitch list. Sure, I need
an agent. Even though this bookis doing remarkably well in every way possible.
I need an agent. I metSteven Spielberg. I had a nice

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I spent a day with him,a nice conversation. That was thirteen years
ago. I can't send him mybook. It's not how it's done,
you know, it's just not howit's done. I need an agent,
a legit agent. So would Ilike this to be a movie? Yes?
Every time my mother calls me,when's it going to be a movie?
I go, Mom, you knowI'll win the lottery first. So

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I don't know. But to answeryour question, I wrote this as a
book just to be a book,to be a tribute to my dad.
It was a thank you Dad.I'm trying to give back something to you
because I think my dad, youknow, channeled the book into me to
begin with. I really do.And like I said, I've had dreams
He's been in my room as aghost three times. I've had very vivid

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dreams of him talking to me afterhe passed. My next book, My
Paranormal Life, which comes out inJanuary. You guys showed that cover during
my intro. That book is aboutghosts and poulter Geist and spirits. I've
heard angelic voices in my ear severaltimes throughout my life. When I was

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five, I fell off a signand I believe that Gargoyle saved my life
because I think I died. Ihave some pretty cool stories in this one
that I know of A book cover. Isn't that a great cover? Really?
I love that cover that took.That took my artist and me three
months to lay all that cover?Dan Um. Have family members shared their

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reactions with you about the book?More often than not, if we're related
to somebody and they've written a book, we want to like it. We'll
tell them nice things. But anyinsights into the way this is impacted on
people that you know that you love, that you related to. My brothers

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enjoyed it. They said they likedit very much. This is actually my
third book. They said, it'sthe best thing I've written. This is
the best thing I've ever written,I believe it or not. My mother
is the biggest fan in the worldof this book. She's read it three
times now. She thinks part ofme is crazy because she doesn't believe in
aliens so and she really doesn't knowwhat my dad did. But she goes,

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yea father, I didn't know aboutUFOs. What did he now?
He just may drones. He didn'ttalk about anything. There's no alien Danny,
Danny, enough with the alienating inyour old Brooklyn woman. God bless
her. She's in a wheelchair.But my mother, this has to be

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a movie. Call your friend StevenSpielberg. So my mother loves this book.
It's just just remarked, well,my friends have been join it.
I've been getting emails all over theworld. Dan, It's wonderful. Its
brilliant quotes Kathleen Martin game. CanI read Kathleen Martin's quote to you?
Would that be okay? Sure?If I have it? Absolutely. This

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one just came in like a weekafter printed, so it missed the back
cover. Kathleen Martin, So peopleif they know she see a niece of
Betty and Barney Hill, and shewrote Captured the Betty and Barney Hill Story
with Stanton Freeman, Dan Harrari's brilliantwork of fiction. And After They Came

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transports readers on a fascinating journey intothe not so distant future through the eyes
of Jonathan Tuckerman, a man whowas rescued from his fast track to self
annihilation thanks to a giant airship carryinghighly advanced extraterrestrials. Jonathan It's misadventure propels

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him and humanity to previously unimaginable heightsand presents new, inconceivable solutions to huge
challenges. If you are looking foran uplifting page turner, go no further,
Kathleen Martin. And that just meansso well to me. That close.

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You know, that's a that's arave. Also with our lead character,
when things start to go right,they really start to go right.
You know, he's initially have tobe checked out by a very high level
physician who happens to be brilliant,kind and absolutely stunningly beautiful, and of

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course they fall very deeply in love. It's you know, he still has
rough days at the office, butit's again, if things are going to
go well, why not go reallywell even with his insecurities that come to
the surface. And once again,this is a once upon a time story

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and we can simply leave the realityof the moment behind and enjoy it for
what it is. Again, Iwas caught off guard by that and kept
waiting for the next shoe to fall, or for somebody to get shot for
God's sakes, and you know,the killing to begin it was fairly abbreviated

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when it did happen, and theDraconians, which I thought was a wonderful
send up to name your bad aliens. Just that. I won't say how
the fight ends, but I'm gladI was on the winning side in my

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mind. Well, I will saythis. I my first draft, Peter
was happy, happy, happy,happy happy happy the parade scene and you
know the ending, and I'm notgoing to say the very very ending,
but that still happened. And mypublisher said, Dan, we love your
book. Where's the conflict? Mypublishers last year said where's the conflict?

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I go, diff benevolent aliens?Well, you're writing the science fiction book.
You know everything can't be happy,happy, joy joy. Where's the
conflict? I said, okay,so thank you. The last year,
I go, okay, I needsome bad guys. I googled. I
actually googled races of aliens. Igoogled what are the races of it?

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And why souder Conians. I'm like, yeah, okay, that sounds like
a pretty cool name. And thenI thought, in my mind's side,
they essentially they're essentially alligators who learnedto walk upright and over the course of
millions of years evolved into looking likepeople. But they're essentially alligators who now
look like people. I have themliving under the seas around the planet Earth,

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in little pockets under the seas.I have them as a very ancient
race of aliens on the Earth thatGod, and God is a character in
my book. I call God.They never say God. They call him
the Infinite Creator. And the alienswho come to Earth talk about their father,

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the Infinite Creator. So as EricEric Vandakan always said that he believes
that of course there's aliens, butof course there's God. Eric said,
of course there's God. And I'mlike, yeah, of course who made
the who created the aliens? Therehad to be a primal source, at
original source who create anything that cameafter. So we have to call that

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original source God. I called itInfinite Creator. So I have the Infinite
Creator gave up on the Draconians becausethey became evil and warlike. So when
these beautiful aliens come to Earth inmy book, that Draconians get all annoyed
and they see this Jonathan character becomingthis hero and they're like, you know,

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we have a bone to pick withthe Infinite creator. He put us
here a long time ago. Heforgot we're here. So they have words
with the beautiful kind aliens, andthey have some battle scenes, as you
know, and they have some conflictsto go to. I had to inject
that to get my publisher to signoff on the book. So, and
in retrospect, I'm glad he pushedme. I didn't want I didn't want

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to do it. I just wantedhappy joy. I'm like, well,
I was depressed most of my life. Why can't I be happy? Be
happy? No, no, no, you're I'm a publisher. I've done
hundreds of books. You gotta haveconflict, Dan, That's what That's where
the Draconians came from. They camefrom my publisher. Quite frankly, that

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really makes all the sense in theworld, though. And one of the
things about literature is not only canit take us out of ourselves as readers
and trust us into a new world, but it gives the author a chance
also to make things right, atleast allegorically with their own life and timeline.

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And good for you for acting onthat impulse. And at the same
time, I'm glad that there wasthat dynamic tension as we got toward the
end as well, and the paradewas very haunting to me and so evocative

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of what it referred to in termsof American history, and on it went
from there. I thought, Ithought I nailed the parade. I really,
you know, I was living atin my mind, Tie Pater,
I was seeing it. You know, not that I'm a great artist,
but but but great artists or artistsin general, when they're in the zone,

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you know, either they're channeling orthey're like they're on a high.
You know, they'll they'll look atthe clock and then you For me,
I'll look at a clock and I'lllook again and be eight hours later.
I forgot to eat lunch. Sowhen I was writing the parade, seeing,
I was putting. I was seeingit and putting myself there, like
every view. Where would the camerasbe, what cars would be there,

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who would be in the parade,What's going to happen at the parade?
I was seeing it, and Ilooked up it was eight hours later.
I remember at the clock, Well, that comes across very strong, because
I was seeing it too. Iknow those streets well, and you know
the angles that we would have seenthings from and the parade route, etc.

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You you made it very real.Thank you. It's very great man.
Thank you. It means a lotto me. Really well, it's
simply stating a fact at this point. I mean, your life and career
continue to roll along. Can yousee yourself writing more in the realm of

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science fiction in the future or youfeel that was your science fiction novel and
there's other worlds to conquer as youmove forward as a writer and as a
public figure and a publicist as well. That's a really great question. So
this is my all right. Somy first book was called Flirting with Fame,
about my Hollywood career. My secondbook, which I don't really talk

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about, is It's embarrassing. Butmy second book is called Carrots, and
it's about my history with sex addiction. I was a sex addict for twenty
years after my divorce, and I'mnot ashamed. I'm not proud, I'm
not ashamed, but it's something thatI lived through and came out on the
other side. And I have beenspeaking to some groups about this book about

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overcoming my sex addiction. It didn'tget picked up by the media, it
didn't sell many copies, but itis my second book. And I don't
want to forget that to exist afterthey came to my third book, My
parent Ormal Life is My fourth bookcomes out in January. So right now,
for my fifth book, I'm tornbetween something real. I enjoy writing

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memoirs and facts because I love biographiesof real people. Yeah, but I
really get a kick out of thescience fiction that I did for this book.
I'm kicking around. I'm kicking aroundsomething on the science fiction side for
my fifth book. I have thegerm of it. Every I walk five

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miles every other day, and everytime I walk, I put a couple
of ideas together. So to answeryour question, I'm hoping in the next
two years to have a new sciencefiction book come out that that would be
my fifth book. Can we shiftgears now? And yeah? Sure it

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Isn't that the best cartoon you eversaw? Is that great? It's great?
And the fact is that this hasjust simply been part of your life
is meeting high visibility people, andcertainly the culture of famous people is as
vital and alive as it anywhere inthe world as it is in Los Angeles.

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In the liner notes, uh,well, not even liner notes,
but just when you're talking on yourwebsite and just sort of setting the book
up and I'll just read it assuch. Besides knowing Spring scene in the
early seventies before Bruce was famous,Dan also attend at Boston University in the
late seventies along with Howard Stern andbefriended Jerry Seinfeld in nineteen eighty one,

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becoming Jerry's first, very first fan. That stopped me cold. We now
know that Jerry has quite a lotof fans and a zillion dollars in the
bank and an entire garage on theUpper West Side filled with classic pushes,
among other things, and become aninstitution in the world of humor and television.

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How did you meet Jerry Seinfeld?And what was your take on this
stand up comic? It's such agreat question. Okay. So in nineteen
eighty before I moved to California,my best friend and I and two women
were on a double day. Wewent into Manhattan too. I think it
was the Comic Strip Club. ComicStrip Club, I believe it was called.

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Yeah, the Comic strip was abig one. Yeah. So this
would be spring or summer nineteen eightyand we went there on a double day
and Jerry Seinfeld was one of thecomics that night. Not famous. This
is okay, nineteen eighty Jerry Seinfeldwas not famous, and he did routines.

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I don't remember exactly, but therewas one he did something about,
you know, I went to thewent to the NASA Museum the other day,
and and and from Apollo eleven andand and they have mounted there.
They have mounted there Neil Armstrong's toothbrush. Toothbrush in the in the NASA Museum.

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And the plaque says flex says onloan from Neil armstrung because Jerry Jerry,
Jerry goes, Jerry goes Neil,give him the brush, you know,
give him the brush. And myfriends we were they were crying into
our cocktail and we're crying. Andthen I remember that. And then he

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did something about, you know,I got some new checks from the bank
the other day, and they havelittle pictures of people's skiing and people surfing
and people hang gliding. And hegoes, I don't have any money.
He goes, I don't. Ican't afford to do any of those things.
Why are they putting those things onmy check? Okay, those are
the only two jokes are hilarious,hilarious. Okay. One year later,

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exactly exactly one year later, Iam now living in la I'm a gopher.
I am a gopher for a videoproduction company. I'm driving my boss's
car to the car wash to getto get washed and getting him coffee because
that was my job. I'm nowtwenty five years old. I'm a gopher
in Hollywood. It's a year later. I drove a BMW I think it

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was a BMW to the Sunset carwash on Sunset Bolvar As it's going through.
Who's to my laft Jerry Seifeld withhis car. I think I think
it was white. I don't rememberwhat it was. I wish I remembered
what his car, but it waswhite. And to the car. So
me and Jerry two cars, noone else for miles and I go,

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Jerry science lty because yeah, Igo. My name is Dan. I
put out my hand and I said, I saw you last year in New
York. I said, you areso funny. I am your biggest fan.
Oh and I swear to God.We shook hands and he said to
me, gee, I didn't knowI had any fans. And that's a

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true story. I didn't know Ihad any fans, so therefore I was
Jerry Scienfeld's first fan. That's atrue story. Now, during that conversation,
I said, Jerry, I justgot here to La. You just
moved to La. We're both fromthe East Coast. I said, can
we be friends? I said tohim, can we be friends? We're

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about the same age, we're bothfrom the same place and we both just
got to La. Well, Idon't about my number. If you want
to give me, here's my manager. So he gave me his manager's card.
Okay, So that was the endof that. Nothing happened. That's
a side story. But nothing happened. Cut too, Why it cut?

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Two twelve years later? This isthe best part of this story. Twelve
years later. Now it's nineteen ninetythree. Jerry Seinfeldt was famous comedian in
the world. Right now, twelveyears later, after the car wash,
he and I are at do youknow what NATP is did? Nat BTV

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convention. It's where they sell TVshows into syndication. I was there as
a publicist. Jerry was there promotinghis Seinfeldt show. Twelve years later,
exactly, I go up to him, Jerry, Yes, my name is
Dan. We're shaking hands. Isaid, I met you in nineteen eighty
one at the Sunset car wash.He pulls his hand out of the and

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shake. He goes, I rememberyou. You wanted to be my friend?
He turned and walked away. Heturned and what I wanted to be
his friend? He remembered me fromtwelve years earlier. So anyway, I
have a picture of that moment,right before he turned to go out to
it. That's jerrys so quirky.I there's distinction in the world of what

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you do between people that you maymeet. They may even remember your name
or not. You exchange some businesstalk or small talk, and other people
who are well known famous, ifyou will who you connect with, even
if you don't become good or lifelongfriends, you get a sense of who

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they are, their character, perhapssome insight into their decency or their superficialness.
I don't want to spend any timeputting anybody famous down. That's easy
enough to do. But I amcurious about some of the people in public
life who's really have touched your life. And again, there are too many

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really to list. But some ofyour list is just absolutely too good to
be true. But Tom hester Street, Michael Jackson to Staying, Kirk Douglas,
Arnold Schwarzenegger, Steven Spielberg, JerrySpringer, Roger Daltery and Margaret jack
Black, Sid Caesar, Richie Havens, Gene Simmons, and on and on

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down the pantheon. Who comes tomind right now if I ask you somebody
who maybe you were a fan of, but meeting them made you a fan
of them as a human being asopposed to just a performer or a singer
and actor. Well, the twoprobably I've met hundreds of celebrities on both

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cubs. The two that I thinkmeant the most to me were meeting Mickey
Dolans in nineteen eighty six and thenin the years since. I've since met
him five or six times since,and he's such a Mickey Dolins was my
childhood hero. When I was tenyears old, I played you could See
behind Me, I dropped my electronicdrums, I still played the drugs.

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And that's because of Mickey Dolans.So when I met him and shook his
hand, I was, you know, in my thirties, I was a
little boy. I was like,Mickey, I'm Dan, I go I
played the drugs my whole life becausethanks me, and I hear that all
the time. So that meant aworld to me. Meeting Steven Spielberg twenty
ten at a Universal Videos press conference, I knew i'd meet him someday.

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I knew it would happen. Sidestory, Stephen's late mother had a restaurant
two blocks from my house, twoblocks from my house when my mom came
in to visit b in La.Every year from thirty years, me and
my mom would go at lunch withLeah Adler at the Milky Way restaurant two

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blocks from my house, and shewould sit with us. We would eat
blintzes, and she would tell usabout her wonderful son, Stephen. Oh
my gosh. So when I metStephen in twenty ten, I thought I
saw him standing there by himself.I said to myself, Okay, what
do you say to Steven Spielberg.Here's the list. Schindler's list was a

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masterpiece. He knows that Et waswonderful. He knows that Jaws was scary.
He knows that I'm like, yougotta say something different. Go up,
I Stephen, my name is Dan. We shook hands. I said,
your mother makes the best blinses Ihave ever had in my life.
And he goes, you're right,my mother makes the best blinses in the

(01:39:10):
world, and we bought it,and then he posed for a photo of
me. I have a picture ofme with him together, and then I
spent about an hour with him therest of that afternoon just to jetting.
That was my approach, so Spielbergand Mickey Don. The kindest, most
wonderful celebrity I've ever met in mylife is d Wallace. D Wallace was

(01:39:30):
the star of the movie Et Themom in Et. She is one of
my best friends. I met herin nineteen eighty nine. I was the
publicist for a TV show called TheNew Lassie of all things, the New
Lassie not Original Lassie. When Iwas one year old, The New Lassie.

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In the late eighties, D andI became friendly. Then. Long
story short is at the time mywife was pregnant with my daughter. My
wife was extremely extremely ill with thatpregnancy, couldn't get out of bed and
couldn't eat or drink anything, andshe was on an ID in a hospital
bed. I told d Wallace thestory. He said, Dan, I'm

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going to send an acupuncturist who healedme when I was pregnant. I'm going
to send him to your house andhe's going to cure your wife. She
sent this guy to my house fivetimes. She paid for it. My
wife got out of bed, shewas fine, and my daughter came out
perfectly healthy. D is one ofthe nicest, kindest women in the world,
and she did me a kindness thatI could never repay. So she's

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my favorite person. That's wonderful.One of my favorite celebrities. I've never
met, but I got to observein a unique way Michael J. Fox.

(01:40:59):
And who doesn't like Michael J.Fox. This is probably twenty five
thirty years ago when I was workingpart time as I occasionally still do as
a specialty New York City walking tourguide, and at the time worked with
a number of high school groups,mostly from the Midwest, who were theater

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majors, coming in to see aplay or a musical every night and see
the city and eat at different restaurants. And we had just approached the Museum
of Natural History, and on thesouth side of the museum there's a big
lawn and it was obvious that theywere shooting something there. Trailers were pulled

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up, the tape was up,cameras were out, tech people were there,
and it was at a point whereeverybody was going to have a free
half hour to do what they wanted, then meet back and then I'll go
out to eat. And at acertain point there's Michael J. Fox.
I'm watching this from several hundred feetaway, and several of the people in

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the group. It happened to beone of the young women who is probably
about seventeen or sixteen, and itworked out that her mother and her grandmother
were both chaperones, and they cameto me and they said, collectively,
Michael J. Fox is our favoriteactor, the three of us, and
we're going to go hang out,you know, down by their working I

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said, fine, great, andI watched them and everything I'm about to
say, I watched like a silentmovie in the distance. But what happened
was after the scene adventure, itwas just a wonderful vantage is a beautiful
day. And as the scene ended, you know, people could talk again,

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and these three women just started towave frantically at Fox, who's you
know, they're up against the tapeline, and he basically just walks over
to where they are, stays onhis side, and there's an exchange,
and he says something to one ofthe security people who lifts the tape,

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and these three women take off withhim and disappear into his trailer. They
had to be there, I don'twant to exaggerate. Twelve fifteen minutes a
long time. Finally the door opens, he comes out with the three of
them, walk down the stairs.He gives each one a big kiss.

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They all take pictures with him,and then float back to where I'm standing
in kind of an ecstatic transstate,each one with a signed glossy with love
from Michael. That's a class actand I will always remember that as a

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famous person responding to the people thathelped make them famous in the most wonderful
way that they could have in thatmoment. We all know stories about people
getting brushed off by well known people, and probably deservedly sometime, but not
others. Do you observe anything kindof unifying about quote unquote famous people in

(01:44:18):
film or the music business, Somethingthat they seem to have in common or
have developed because they're a well knownperson, or that they're as different as
the rest of us. I alwaysget a kick out of meeting anyone famous,

(01:44:38):
whether they're a little famous or extremelyfamous. It's just it's just I
get a kick out of Like,for example, when I met Eric van
danik And a month two months ago. You know, he's not Bruce Springsteen,
but he means a lot to me, and my heart was beating a
little fast. I go, Eric, I go, it's such an honor

(01:44:58):
to meet you. I said,thank you so much for what you do
and what you've done for us.I said, thank you so much for
what you've done for us, andI signed my book to um My POV
is a little different. I dowork in Hollywood. Many of these major
celebrities I've met have been on redcarpets, you know, for charity events

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or award shows. I worked someof the Grammys. I've worked so many
afi Lifetime Achievement Awards. So youknow, if I'm meeting Tom Hanks or
Stallone, or Michael Jackson or Kevincost quite often it's it's as a publicist
slash industry person slash in a Hollywoodmoment. So of course they're going to

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be nice. You know, they'regoing to most most people on our most
people sale can be rude. Mostpeople on a red carpet could be nice.
But for example, we did umI think it was Elizabeth Taylor's AFI
and then after the red but Iwas just hanging around and I looked to
my left and Kevin Costner standing rightnext to me, and he and I
just had a wonderful conversation. Regularguy, like a normal guy. It's

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Kevin Costner. Couldn't be nicer,you know. Now we're both in black
tuxedos. I'm not asking for hisautograph. I guess what I'm saying is
most of the people that I've interactedwith, it's been in a Hollywood moment,
on a film set, on aTV set, for an interview,
a great story. I spent aday with Graham Nash, David Crosby,

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and Grace Slick ones and like aschmuck, Like a schmuck, I didn't
take a picture with them, eventhough I easily could have, and I
didn't because I'm thinking to myself,who am I to be in a picture
with David Crosby, Grahamness and GraceSlick. I'm standing next to them.
It's my photographer that I'm paying for. And all I had to do with

(01:46:54):
day dank. But anyway, soI spend a day Graham Nash, David
Crosby, Grace Slick shows up late. I go, Miss Slick, my
name is Dan, I'm the publicist. She goes, Honey, you tell
me what to do, you takeme where to go, take my hand
and whatever you need me to do, Honey, I'm all yours. And
she puts her hand in my head. Grace, I'm walking around, great
Slick, and she told me,Honey, whatever I need, I'm all

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her, great Slick, and I'mjust thrilled. I'm just meant the world
to me. So most of myinteractions have been wonderful. There is one
I could say it that was theopposite, and I might as well say
it because a lot of people don'tlike him anyway. Arnold Schwartzenager. I
had a very best interactive with ArnoldSchwartzenager. It was at a Friar's Club

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roast for Milton Burrow. He wassitting in the audience. My son,
at the time was the biggest Terminatorfan in the world. My son was
like eight years old, and myson loved the Terminator and I knew Arnold
would be there and I try toimpress my son. So I had a
picture of Arnold dressed up as theTerminator and a white marking pen. I

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came prepared. So during the break, during it was a break, people
weren't eating. It was a break, And he's sitting there with two bodyguards
and he's sitting at a table,and I just walked right up to him.
I go, Hi, Arnold,my name is Dan. My little
son loves the Terminator. Could Ipossibly get an autograph? It would mean
the world to him, So Peter, he looks at me like this.

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He goes like literally like a wildanimal, like he's gonna kill me or
eat me or both. So I'mstanding there now, I'm there. He's
there in the bodyguards, and I'mlike, I could leave, or I

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could commit to my son. I'mgoing, Arnold, It'll take ten seconds.
If my son is eight years old. Please, He's like er like
steam, and I'm not kiding steamshooting out of this guy depends bright red
steam. The bodyguards are hunched overme like mister Schwarzenet should be throw this
guy out of here. You've upsetthe boss, I said, Arnold.

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I said, Arnold, please comeon, you know he has a cold
right now, he's not feeling well. Come on, please, I really
you know, please, it justreally mean a lot. So he grabs
the pen, grabs the picture.He wrote to Jordan's you know, best
wishes or he wrote very nice,gave me back the things, and he
just kept snarled. He never saida word to me in English, just

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snarled and steamed, shooting out ofhis head. I got the autograph.
My son has it framed. Butthat was that was unpleasant. That was
very a bad night for him.But that's it sounds a little like the
end of Oh the movie um wherehe's on Mars on blank anventitle. I

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love that movie. Yeah, yeah, total total recall. There you go.
Great movies as this point, lookingahead in general, any plans that
you can share with us beyond whatwe've talked about. We're coming into our

(01:50:09):
last few minutes of the show,and I do want people to know number
one, that they can order yourbook or books on Amazon, but also
to remind folks of your website,which is Dan Horari author dot com.
Is it can that be all lowercase or do the lead words need to

(01:50:32):
be in caps? However it's spelledwhere. Yeah, it's Capital Dan Capital,
Harra Capital author dot com. Dovisit the website so on a closure
note, yeah sure sure, okay. So, first of all, thank
you so much. It's been reallya joy to talk to you. And

(01:50:55):
Earl Gray Anderson sens his regards.Earl has become a good friend of mine.
The new Southern California Moufon Chapter Leader. I met him in March.
I met him in March at alienCon. I'm going to speak at his
Moufon event in June here in LA. And he speaks so highly of you,
and that's that's how I met you, was through Earl. I pay

(01:51:16):
him to say nice things about me. It's what you do. He's a
very said guy. So after theycame is on Amazon kindle or paperback.
My first book, Flirting with Fame. It's also on Amazon. That one
has an audio version as well.If you're a sexually open minded person,
you could get my book Carrots,and it's very explicit but with a purpose,

(01:51:44):
and I discuss how I lived throughsex addiction, which which was an
overwhelming thing for me, and Ispent a lot of money on that and
until I until I came out.On the other side as a commer,
gentle or a nicer person. Mynext My Paranormal Life, January twenty four.
As I said, I'm thinking aboutmy next site five book. I

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think the working title is five five, the number five and right. I
think. I just think it's agreat title, and I'm trying to figure
out what those behind the titles wellthat worked out last time. Dan,
thanks so much for joining me,and you are a little bit psychic.
You probably know that because next week'sguest, along with Chanelle Schantz, who

(01:52:30):
is the granddaughter of Kenneth Arnold,the man whose UFO siding kicked everything off.
My other guest next week will beEarl Gray Anderson, the aforementioned to
who's also good friends with Chanelle,and he will be hosting a good part
of the second half of the show. If you've enjoyed this show, please
tell your friends we will be returningnext Monday, same time, same station.

(01:52:57):
Stay well, stand up for whatyou believe in, and be kind
to each other like the aliens inafter they came see. Thank you for
Thank you very much. Thank You'revery welcome. Ye