Don Schmitt and Steve Bassett

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Episode Transcript

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Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to MeanwhileHere on Earth. This program features in
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with your intrepid host, veteran investigativewriter and researcher Peter Robbins. Hello and

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welcome or welcome back to Meanwhile Hereon Earth with me your intrepid host.
As the voice says Peter Cobbins,this past week has been an interesting,
if not historic one in the worldof UFOs and American politics. But before
getting to it, just a verybrief mini monologue. Last September, a

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book was published in the United Kingdom, but available all over the world about
an individual's UFO related experience. Thebook was called Out of Time and the
author was Steve Is Steve Aspen,who lives in Lincolnshire, England. I
felt after reading the manuscript that itreally was, in some ways the potentially

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most important book on UFO related abductionsthat I had read in many years.
By anyone, and Steve was aguest on the show other shows as well.
The book went on sale and startedto do very well, do well,
and then do very well, andthen after several months, without really

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any warning, Amazon remove the titlefrom their available books. When queried about
this, they would not give ananswer, and the book became unavailable in
great part for many people. Thebook has now been republished in a remarkable,

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beautifully put together edition and it canbe ordered. I'm not going to
take a lot of time on thishere because Steve will be a guest again
at some point in the future.But if you go to Out of Time
book dot info, it will takeyou to the book website. If you

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are a serious reader on this subjector a book collector, because it's that
beautiful book, but that well informed, I encourage you to order it.
I don't know how long this editionis going to stay in print. I
hope forever, but he has workedout a very smart and a sensible way

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to get it out there in theworld, and I congratulate him once again
on the republication of Out of Time. That said, as I said,
this has been a really interesting weekin the world of UFO studies. UFO
studies in the history of the world. And I've brought back two guests who

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I couldn't think of anybody better todiscuss the House of Representatives Hearing Committee on
UFOs UAPs that happened last Wednesday.And our guests are Donald R. Schmidt,
who is the former co director ofthe J. Allen Heinek Center for
UFO Studies in Chicago, where heserved as director of Special Investigations ten years.

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He was a special investigator for doctorHeinik prior to that. A seven
time best selling author, his firstbook, UFO Crash at Roswell was made
into the Golden Globe nominated movie Roswell, and his book Witnessed to Roswell was
the number one best selling UFO bookin the world for two straight years.

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He is also the lead investigator forthe International UFO Museum and Research Center in
Roswell, New Mexico. Our otherguest equally esteemed is Steve Bassett. He
is the executive director of Paradigm ResearchGroup, better known as PRG, found
that in nineteen ninety six to enda government imposed embargo on the truth behind

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extraterrestrial related phenomena. Steve has spokento audiences around the world about the implications
of disclosure. Given more than twelvehundred radio and television interviews with prg's advocacy
work extensively covered by national and internationalmedi including CNN, Fox News, CNBC,
The Washington Post, in The NewYork Times. And it is a

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pleasure to welcome you back to theshow, Don and Steve Good Evening,
Peter Good Evening, Steve at eveningto all yes, yes, So anybody
have anything, jokes, anything that'sinteresting that happening this week or so,

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will go right to the topic athand. Steve's going to start all the
funny thing happened on me to theway to the Capitol Building right In preparing
for this show, which it wascomposed of a lot of staring at the
wall and trying to just fully graspwhat I had seen on television, I
made copied out certain things that friendshad said on social media, and one

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or two cases that were relevant.Of course forgot their names to copy them
out as well. But may readthis and if the author is out there
listening, and if you're not,thank you anyway. It's been a long
and difficult trek to Congressional hearings.Tomorrow is the fifty fifth anniversary of the
first Congressional hearing July twenty, nineteensixty eight on UFOs, when a group

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of scientists testified to a House committee. Stanton Friedman was one. I wish
he could have alluded to see thislatest one. It was at one day
symposium and nothing came of it.And of course, as we know,
it was Congressman Gerald R. Fordthat was really behind that effort. Continuing,
Major Donald Kehoe, in his lastbook, UFOs from Outer Space,

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details his flight with the Air Force, his fight with the Air Force in
an attempt to get congressional hearings inthe nineteen sixties. The Air Force was
successful in dissuading Congress from holding hearings. Then it was a very easy and
enjoyable book to read. Steve,I'm going to ask you to begin by

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just giving us a sketch of whatactually happened on Wednesday, and briefly the
events leading up to it. Justa sketch, huh. I know you're
ready to go with a I don'tdo sketches. A look, I've made
a big mistake. Yeah, you'vemade a mistake. First of all,

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the first hearing actually was sixty six, and it was a also one day
affair. The second hearing, thesixty eight, Stanton was involved. I
don't believe he testified in person.I think he provided a paper, but
I could be wrong. McDonald McDonaldtestified in person, yes, and it's

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memorable for that reason. For oneof many reasons is that in the hearing,
doctor McDonald was embarrassed by one ofthe members of the committee, one
of my congressmen, Ryan from NewYork work as well ed Kennedy, Senator
Ted Kennedy as well. They embarrassedhim over his sts testimony. I think

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on the supersonic transport or whatever.They embarrassed him. What they may or
may not have known is that doctorMcDonald's going through a very tough time back
in Arizona with his family. Hewas and his wife were going through a
difficult period, Betsy, and ofcourse he had been how would you say,

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monitored. They had been letting himknow in various ways that they were
watching what he was doing, sohe knew he was kind of under some
kind of surveillance. He had losthe was clinically depressed. Yeah, but
I think when I say I'm gonnaI'm gonna assume that his depression was not
caused by any natural factor. Itwas all being imposed there, being created

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by events outside of his out ofhim. You know, you can get
depressed. You don't have to havea have a have a mental depression to
get depressed. You can be depressedwith you as people are driving your nuts
in place. He's doing two massivejobs, one of the hardest working people
in the dealing with UAP as alsoa full fledged atmospheric physicist. So not

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long after that hearing, he shootshimself. Now there's an irony to this.
He doesn't complete the job. Well, not that he doesn't complete the
job. He goes blind. Yes, now you see the irony of this.
Okay, right, he has blindedhimself. He no longer can see

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what's going on, and so asense he imposed the ultimate pain on himself
in service to the government's embargo,which was intent on maintaining. He Then
the diligent goes through rehabilitation to thepoint where he can function, gets his

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life in order, puts this affairas in order, calls a taxi.
He's taken out somewhere sort of outsideof you, away from his workplace.
It was like a bridge, andunder a bridge, he's first taken to
a punch shop where he purchased agun. Right, didn't know that,
So he goes and gets the gun. Okay back then, and then he
goes and shoots himself again. Thisis a story I like to tell when

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I have the opportunity, because itis as symbolic as it could be for
the cost of government interfering with theprocess of science and investigation. It's hardly
the Vietnam War. It is simplyanother victim of this truth embargo. Now,
so that was so the first wetried over the next six fifty five

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years, repeatedly different people at differenttimes, to get another hearing. As
the evidence piled up in the basisfor hearings improved, improved, and it
was no way, no starter,nonstarter, not going to get it.
One event, in particular, Iwas aware of two Texas congress Men who
had been turned on by a stafferthat worked in the Pentagon, not in

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the Congress, who was known forher interest in the subject. And she
would button hold people in in thelobby, er in the in the elevator
and let them know. And shebecame famous with this, and she she
got and she was working for oneof these Texas congressmen, got him fall
fired up, and the two ofthem tried to get a hearing going,
and they were making progress until thewoman by the name of Harmon, who

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at the time was in fact thechairman of the House Intel Committee, cut
it off of the knees. Theirony of that, and I love irony,
is that the person who replaced herwhen she left this chairman for whatever
reason, was one of those congressmenthat was trying to get the hearing,
who upon becoming the chairman of theIntel Committee, never touched it again.

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Okay, so just a little history. They're leading up to last week.
Okay, please, first hearing infifty five years. There's so much I
can say about it. This isjust an introductory sketch. The intry goes
to sketch. Okay, it wasn'tsupposed to happen. It wasn't supposed to

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be the house, but it workedout that way. But ultimately it went
very well. For those of uswho understand the issue, well, just
about everything you wanted to be inplay was in play. But if you
didn't understand the issue, you wouldn'tthen noted that you're looking for I don't
know, people are looking for someprofound smoking gun to emerge, but in

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fact touched all the basis, confirmedeverything we wanted to know. The committee
acted appropriately and the net result isgoing to be very, very positive.
So and and and being in theroom for me was a very emotional experience.
I was going to get in thatroom no matter what it took.

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But I knew enough about the hillthey had to do it, pull it
off, and I did. Danny, she was with me. He was
sitting right in front of me,and so the two of us were there
for this. And that's a goodintroduction. I have several other hours to
present later when you have the time. John, thinking back to when you

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really committed yourself to this work,was it really more in the realm of
fantasy or did you feel that logically? Sooner or later, we'd be watching
a hearing like this on television withthings being said that we're being said,
well, um, someone we wefailed to mention who also has testified in

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the second of the Congressional One Dayhearings was doctor Jaillen Heineck. Yes,
And to go back to the originaltranscript, and he was introduced in the
most glowing terms by his congressman atthat time that he was the number one

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scientist investigating this and he had servedas a consultant to the Air Force Project
blue Book for all that time.And as we all know that Heineck was
constantly jousting with doctor James McDonald.In fact, both of them would have
recalled at the time that McDonald paidhim a visit right at Northwestern University in

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Evanston, Illinois, and McDonald wasfounding his fist on Heinech's table and when
are you going to start sharing thedata with your scientific colleagues, and Heineck
had to apologize. Heineke explo thathe was not receiving or having access to

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the hardcore data. Well, McDonaldwould then ask him, well, why
do you even stay connected? Well, so in case they ever decide to
take me into their fold, Iwill have access to the data. Okay,
fine, Well, getting back tohis congressmen, it turned out to
be none other than Donald Rumsfeld,who was just about to then be appointed

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under Gerald Ford his Secretary of Defense. So then Heineck would meet with him
privately at his office in Washington Heineckwould tell us the story that he sat
there with Rumsfeld, then Secretary ofDefense, after he had been as far
as introduced wonderfully as the foremost authorityon the subject, and Heineck pleaded with

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him, I've given you twenty yearsof my life. What am I going
to get in return? I believe, in fact, I feel I deserve
some information. And he would describehow Rumsfeld would get up from behind his
desk and walk over to him seatedin a chair and lean down over him

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and with his finger in his spaceand goal, you have no need to
know, okay. So he wasconceiving there was a there, there there
was a truth that was even beingwithheld from Heineck, and that Rumsfeld was
acknowledging them. And so that's whereall those years in between we saw where

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Heineck was getting little tips, littleespecially from Chicago WGM, one of the
superstations that an announcement. We've justheard that there was an announcement eminent from
Washington. The President was going togo as far as on camera from the
Oval Office, and there was goingto be a statement regarding this subject of

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UFOs. We saw this personally timeand time again, well, obviously it
never happened. The carrot was dangledfor you know, that brief moment,
it always reeled back. So it'sa case of who leaked the information and
then who always pulled the plug.We always knew they were different parties.

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Wasn't the same individual. Someone triedto break the news and someone always cut
it off before it got out okid. And then we had the grand
opportunity as far as working with thelate Congressman Stephen Schiff in the early nineties
through the middle to the latter partof the nineteen nineties, and he was

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the congressman, senior Congressman from NewMexico at the Mexico representing constituents regarding the
famous Rosalinds in the nineteen forty sevenand the hope and the push at that
time for congressional hearings specifically regarding Roswell, and work with him personally, to
be with him in Washington, tobe with him in albert Querque, and

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the frustration and to see that hewas being stonewalled not only by the White
House but by the Pentagon, bythe Secretary of Defense Less Aspment. At
that time, he wasn't getting anycooperation. And what struck me as far
as more than anything else, thatthere was no one else on Capitol Hill

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that even stood by his side,even as a friend, even to say,
you know, you know, ifyou can get this off the ground,
we're there for you. Never happened. Never happened. So it was
like a reverse of James McDonald.But on the congressional side that where McDonald
was being smeared, so was Shiftfor even touching the subject. And we

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know that the Air Force came out, the Pentagon had their Project Mogul press
conference in September of nineteen ninety four. And I will never forget how I
thought, well, that will endour efforts with his involvement, and I
called, and I finally they called. They called me as far as that
he was ready to take the call, and I'm thinking, I'm going to

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get us. Sorry, don theyblew us out of the water. And
to this day I will never forgetthe words out of Congressmen Stephen Shift's mouth
when he went, Don, thereare a bunch of goddamn liars. I'm
gonna get reelected, and we're goingto hit him twice as hard. Well,
we're a shame. He died,he got reelected, and then he

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dies of cancer, skin cancer withinsix months. Okay, but I'd like
to believe he's smiling right now thinkingthat he's been vindicated, and personally,
I don't think anyone has been vindicatedmore than Steve Bassett for all the years
that he was telling us this isthe year, this is the year,

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and this year. Well we spit, we all sit here this evening,
this is the year. This isthe years. It's real lazy. You
just keep saying it's the year untilit's the year, and there you go.
All right. It's like basic tenantof time travel. Be here now,

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and sooner or later you'll be inanother time. Um, Steve,
there are quite a number of playersin this last round of well, this
historic televised round of this hearing,this particular hearing on the side of elected
officials and witnesses. Can you justoff the top of your head in terms

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of your take on the individuals someof who the players are, and how
their testimony or their questions impacted onyou. Okay, but I gotta give
you a little more background. There'sjust so much to this. Okay.
Look, there is a process underwayleading to disclosure. It's been going on

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for some time. It is orderguys, it is reasonably sane, and
it's moving forward at a reasonable pace. Could have been a little faster,
but there's been some historical issues happeningaround us, which is slowed it down.
We get it. It's okay.Waited a long time, Wait a
little longer. So part of thatprocess. And by the way, all

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of this is when I say disclosure, I don't mean that the government is
working now assiduously to find out whatthis phenomena is. That's absurd. They
already know what the phenomena is.So all of the stuff you see going
it's not about to learn what thephenomena is. Certain play aspect to all
of this. It's about to setup the scaffolding for an orderly process leading

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to the president stepping up on astage and saying, there's an extraterrestrial presence
here and have it be appropriate andnon political and and and satisfactory to the
to the public who will see itall happening transparent, and primarily the reason
for that is one to minimize disruption, to be responsible, but above all,

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to make it a lot easier forthe current authorities leaders of Congress,
the President, President's people to DoD, the DoD spokesman to answer they brutally
tough questions that will follow immediately afterdisclosure that they are going to have to
answer and answer truthfully. But thepeople are going to be far more understanding

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and graceful if this process unfolds theway they are doing it. Okay,
it is a public relations driven extricationprocessing in which they are going to lie.
They're lying their way out of amuch bigger lie to higher purpose,
which I am happy with and finewith. But I want the people to
know this because to me, it'smore responsible and appropriate, meaning that they've

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been lying to you for seventy years. They're going to have to lie to
you some more in order to endthat big lie. And it's okay for
you to have both of those thingsin your head at the same time,
meaning, yeah, they've known aboutit all along, but they're now having
to somewhat misrepresent it as they canget this process, this disclosure process done,
and that way you are at leastunderstanding that there is a lie and

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why there is a lie and canrespect it, as opposed to those that
are thinking, wow, they're goingto try to figure this out. Oh,
they figure it out. In otherwords, I don't want the public
to be misled literally in the processleading to ending the misleading that had happened
before. I want it to bemore responsible and more appropriate. And that's
why I'm doing this. No oneis going on on media and saying this.

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Nobody is giving this to the mediaand print or anywhere else. I
am trying to get there. I'mmaking every effort to get on CNMSNBC.
I have pestered the hell out ofthe post. They will not let me
give that interview or give that statementfor whatever reason they don't want to hear
that. But I'll get there.Believe me, it's only a matter of

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time. The public needs to understandthis. Now with that in mind,
what happened, and of course I'menjoying the hell out of this in a
way? Is that not surprisingly?Not everybody is. This is not a
This is not a Steven Spielberg moviewith a script and a director and everything
is being done and what he's supposedto be. And it's like no,

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no, no, no. Thisis a historical process with a kind of
script where some people are trying todo things in a certain way, but
the idea that it is going tobe controlled and go the way they expect
it. Forget about that anything couldhappen in any moment. Well, what
happened is that one person, buthe's not the only potential person that could
have done this. One person madeit move there on his own for his

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own reasons. In other words,he went off script. Whether he knew
there was a script or not doesn'tmatter. And that was David Grush.
And the reason that he went offoff the script was appropriate. He not
surprisingly, he was someone involved inthis this what I called Disclosure Extrication project

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appropriately, and he was working atthe UAPT Task Force, which was set
up prior to the legislation that Rubiopassed in twenty or put in play in
twenty twenty twenty one NDAA bill,and that eventually that that had been put
up kind of in service to thisprocess. Before the legislation, it wasn't
nothing much going on over there,very little staff. It was getting a

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lot of criticism, but it wasreal and he worked for it. And
so because he worked for the taskForce, and because there was clearly an
effort to get information out and peoplewere being encouraged to come forward. Somebody
did. They came forward to him, and the people that came forward were
working in USAPS and they provided information. Whether they violated an NDA is not

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clear, it doesn't matter in thelong run. And they informed him that,
by the way, in case youdidn't know that, David, we've
had a number of crash vehicles.We've been working to reengineer them for quite
some time. And by the way, we have bodies. Okay. Now,
David Grush, it turns out,is a very ethical, serious man
who takes his job seriously and believesthat the government is in the business of

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serving the public and telling the truth. And so he then passed that information
on up up line to the appropriatepeople like the committees, Intel, what
have you. And when others foundout, oh my god, somebody in
a u SAP told him that nowhe's telling you know, the Committee of

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Bodies, and no, my god, that that that's that's too soon.
That's not the script. He's goneoff script. What are we going to
do? So they started coming afterhim and they started to put the pressure
on him. We don't know thedetails. Well, wrong guy, This
guy is a pretty straight shooter,serious and so he said screw this,

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and so he started going to igswith the complaints. All this takes place
over pared up almost eighteen months thateverybody's they know this is going on.
So now he goes to the ideaand the most important IG was the Intelligence
Community IG, where he's saying,I have a ballid complaint. I am
being harassed and threatened because I didmy job. Do something about it.
Okay, fine, anybody can dothat. And that doesn't mean they're going

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to get a positive response like,yes, sir, that is a real
concern, we're going to take action. Except that when David Rush walked into
the IG's office, you know whowas with him, Charles McCullough, the
former i G of the Intelligence Community. Well that's almost like having God with
you, you know, it's likeI have God here. He's going to

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be representing my case. And sothey gave him absolutely a green light.
Yes, this is a concern,we are going to take action. And
I suppose they took some action tomitigate his problem. So he goes back
who's job and waiting for developments.Now, David may not have understood that

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the script did not call for thepace to be what he wanted, it
was moving forward, it was beingslowed down by other things. He had
talked to Arrow. He wasn't gettingmuch happening there because Arrow's job is not
to find out what this phenomena is. It's a placeholder, and Sean Kirkpatrick,
God bless him, has the verytough job of being the head of
that placeholder, very difficult position.Don't want to be that man. And

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so now he's getting irritated, butworse, he's getting more threats just because
the IG's Office tells people, backat you, some entity, Look,
leave that man alone, don't botherhim, don't do anything. Fine,
guess what. Anybody can make threatsthrough social media and any other ways,
fully anonymously. They can threaten everythingyou want, and it's not a damn

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thing the IG Office could do aboutit. Now his family's being threatened,
and so he said, I've hadenough. He quits the UAP Task Force
and starts deciding about how he's goingto move forward. He moves forward by
doing what whistleblowers do. And heis a whistle blower. Yes, he
is the only whistleblower that I amaware of currently in play as a witness

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and I want to emphasize this becausehe is a whistleblower, because one he
says he is too. He believesthe policy is illegal, and he knows
he's clearly stepping out of bounds nowwith respect to this information. So he
goes to the media, Leslie Kane, Ralph Blumenthal. They have the ability
to take it anywhere they want.They take it to the Post, They

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take it to the New York Times, the New York Times in the Post,
and I think a couple of thenews networks basically said, pretty big
story, but something of this magnitude. We need time to like vent this
and address this. And Grush wantedit done right away because he is trying
to get relief. And so okay, they go to the debrief. Love
the debrief, Yes, all right, They get themselves one of the greatest

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historical stories of all time. Goodfor Debrief, New York Times, Pulitzer
Prize gone. Okay, And sothey write that, and of course then
they arrange an interview with News Nation, which had selected Ross Colethart to be
the interview. Perfect choice. Theyput that all together and drop that bomb

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literally out of nowhere. July fifth, I'm at the contact in the Desert
conference. You had a great conferencefor three days, twelve hundred people,
high energy, it's all great.We're in the Monday, the intensitive day.
There's still about two hundred people hangingaround, and all of a sudden,
people are running around the hotel,you know, and I'm waking up,
going, what the hell is goingon? Is the hotel on fire?

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And they say, no, thishas happened. And so we all
got together. This is so cool. All the people who are going to
go to the intensive just said,screw that. We all got together in
one room, Danny Shan and LinnibalHowe and h and Richard Dolan, and

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we watched the News Nation interview,which was the public, real public breaking
on this of David Grush to Crittin that room. Now that's history history.
I'm gonna be writing about that lateron some day. I mean,
I was there, I was there, what had happened. So we're doing
that and then everything unfolds after that. Now with that in mind, Grush

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stepped out of the script. Now, not surprisingly, some other people decided
to step out of the script two. And that brings us to the house.
The situation there was simple. TheSenate Intel Committee in the Senate was
literally the driving force of this process. It up to that point, the

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House is basically sitting there going whatyou know, what are you gonna do?
So they tried to get involved alittle bit. Andre Carson held a
briefing, not a hearing, buta briefing on a committee that he led.
We brought in Multrie and Bray whatevernice, and then there was another
briefing, short one. Then Galliagodputs a little language in one of the

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bills. But overall the House issecond fiddle here big time. However,
that's what Capitol Hill is a giantcafeteria. That's what it is. Okay,
everybody's get together at the cafeterias andthe restaurants and the subways in the
underneath and the tunnels and everything elsein the House and the Senate, and

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they talk. And so the wordis getting around for years about the briefings
going on about this and that andeverything else. I really can't say any
more than this, but you know, so and so is up up on
the hill, and the word isspreading. And members who are not getting
brief members who are not what we'llcall in the script, are learning what's
going down, and they're saying,I'm not a potted plant here. I

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want in. And a number ofthem made a move. But the man
who made the big move was TimBurschett. Yes I call him a back
bencher, I am not. Thatis not a criticism of him. He
just wasn't a particularly well known congressman, all right, from Tennessee, very
conservative, but he apparently has anissue, strong feelings about this. May
have a huge UFO library and hisbasement, don't know, but he's saying

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this is a big deal. Iwant in, and so Burschit immediately starts
going public. He starts with NewsNation, interestingly enough, goes on there
and says there's ets here, andthen he starts getting any interview he can,
repeating over and over again, there'sets here. And then he starts
talking about crash vehicles. Even beforebecause he might have learned of Burchette's efforts

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and testimony that he's giving internally.Who knows, but Tim is all over
this issue. So Tim has informedus that he's read a number of our
Roswell books, good, very smart, good that he did. And we'll
get back to that, because Igot a lot to say, but that
you're roswell book. Let me tellyou so. Anyway, So Tim is
on fire, and he's out there, so Comber and by the way,

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Tim starts to get more pressed,all positive, more press than than his
entire political career in the space ofjust a few weeks. And and and
in his compatriots on the on theon the Oversight Committee. You're watching this
going, WHOA, that's that's good. I'd like some of that press too,
including the chairman, Comber. Andso Comber makes a decision. We're

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we're I'm an important committee. Wehave a subcommittee that has irrelevant connection to
the national security aspects of this.I am going to hold the first hearing
on this, not the Senate IntelCommittee. It's going to be my committee,
which happens to be a Republican ledcommittee in a Republican controlled house.
So it is a political move maneuverof sorts, a bit of a grandstanding

(34:45):
play, but totally appropriate. Hehas every right to do that. And
so he says, I'm going tohold a committee. So he assigns Burschette
to be the chair. But thathad to change because Tim got a little
overheated. There a couple of comments, so they changed the chair to Growth
Growth Men. That doesn't matter.He and Anna Paulina Luna, who has

(35:07):
the best name of any member ofCongress, are close to this, okay,
and is very very sharp. Bythe way, I'm very impressed by
her. They put the thing togetherin short effort, and I learned about
this, and I'm going, myfirst thing was, who are the witnesses
they're going to get? This isnot the committee supposed to be doing this,

(35:28):
okay, it is the oversight committee. And if you were to happen
to review the full membership of theOversight Committee, you would notice that there
are a lot of individuals there whoare how would you say, getting a
lot of press over the last monthsfor their worldview? All right, virtually
every one of the people getting alot of press for their worldview is on
that committee, the committee, notnecessarily the subcommittee. And so I'm going,

(35:52):
who are they going to get?Because guess what, a witness or
whistle blow or anybody else does nothave to testify in front of that committee.
They don't want to. They cansay we won't. They say,
fine, I don't. I'm notgoing to be there. And the only
recourse they have is to subpoena them. Now, there's no way that the
comer was going to subpoena one ofthe witnesses to this issue. That would

(36:14):
have been a colossal blunder. Andso they were going to get who they
were going to get, and mostof the witnesses, I am absolutely certain
it already committed to the Senate anIntel Committee. Yeah, okay. And
so who they gonna get, Well, it worked out pretty well because what
they got was Fravor and Graves,who have been out there quite a while.
Their pilots. Their testimony is notparticularly profound, but it's important.

(36:37):
It is ice guys who have nothad much of a problem. In fact,
they're having a great time. Fravereven said that I'm fine, I've
been having a great time. Graveshas set up a very significant group.
They're doing well. A man who'snot having a good time is grush,
and because he's not having a goodtime, he agrees to come, and
that guarantees the historic historicity of thatof that event. Okay. And so

(37:01):
that is the context of how itcame to bout that the first hearing since
nineteen sixty fifty eight was in factin front of a Republican led subcommittee of
the Oversight Committee in the House,and I wanted that to preface what I'm

(37:23):
gonna say now here here, hereis what we learned. And in order
to appreciate what we've learned, youhave to understand a little a particular significant
tip I'm going to give the worldright now here is how it works in
case you didn't know, and mostpeople, I think do, but not
everybody. If I am in frontof a committee and that under oath and

(37:45):
that that committee member says to me, mister Bassett, frankly, sir,
are there extraterrestrials visiting this planet?If my answer is I can only discussed
that in private setting, that isa yes. Okay, mister Bassett.

(38:06):
Do we have non human technology offrom crash vehicles? And my answer is,
I'm sorry, I cannot speak tothat. That is a yes.
If it is do you know thenames of the companies or whatever organizations that
have this? I cannot, Icannot. I can I have those,
but I cannot speak to you.That is a yes, obviously. And

(38:27):
so when you know that, wegot a boatload of yesses. Here is
what we learn absolutely at least ina public setting under oath, not that
we didn't know that. We allknew it. One. Do we have
crash vehicles multiple Yes? Do wehave dead bodies from those vehicles? Yes?
Have we been ire engineering those thosevehicles? Yes? Are some of
that technology in hands of certain corporations? Yes? Right, Let's see what

(38:52):
else? Huh does the human racehave anything comparable to the technology that is
being seen by Graves? And yes? All right, and on and on.
In other words, we pretty muchgot a yes to everything, And
I think maybe somewhere in there weactually got a yes. Did Roswell happened?

(39:12):
I just might have missed it,right, Okay, And now that
for a lot of people, that'sdisclosure. It's out there. And now
I'm trying to deal with the firehose of press coverage. It is raining
down upon me because I have,you see the alerts out for all of
this, and I'm triaging it asfast as I can. I think by

(39:35):
tomorrow night I may have two tothree hundred articles triaged out of a thousand
articles from lesser press, inside deals, everything else up on my site.
There are only a few articles inthere. Sadly, two of those are
Washington posts that are pathetic. Therest are you know, ba boom bomb
being ba being baba boom. Allright, and so the press has now

(39:58):
been the fire is lit on ofthe press. They're covering in in droves,
the Congresses in a recess that thepress, this town in general,
and certainly the Intel Committee that stillhas work to do prior to its hearing,
has almost forty days to get everythingtogether for the big event. Because

(40:19):
this event was just the opening actthat was strategically scheduled for the twenty sixth
of July, so there could beno hearing following of that, right,
nobody could step on their parade,and so they're going to get great press
for forty solid days. Meanwhile,this town and all the media are getting
ready for the big event, whichwill take place I am pretty sure in
September. I will pause now thestation identification. Take it away now.

(40:45):
I'd like you to jump in herein any manner that you choose. Well,
one of the things that cannot beand thank you Stevens, is the
fact that, especially in the caseof David Grush, yes, this was
under both you know, with thepenalty of perjury. Yes, and we're

(41:09):
talking as far as you know,you know, perjury before Congressional Committee,
five to seven years on each count, on each count, and you couldn't
help. But you know also youknow, in our cases, empathized for
his family, the fact that healso realized that he was going to be

(41:31):
putting his family on the hot onthe hot seat as well, they're on
the hot seat, there are inthe hot seat. He just he just
arranged the temperature that the the threats, the intimidation, the fear factor had
already as far as drawn them inand it was like, well, we
would have warned you about this.Nobody would have believed us. The press

(41:55):
would have been the last people toaccept the fact that that the the Shadow
figures have been resorting to this levelof fear and intimidation with witnesses. And
we could have cited case after caseafter case dating back in nineteen forty seven
with Roswell, the fact that theywere threatened to even kill children over this

(42:17):
damned weather balloon device that they stillmaintain. Okay, fine, so the
press is having to come up tospeed in short order. And it isn't
so much that the likes of Steveand Peter yourself that we're now going we
told you so it as much asokay, we are there for you,

(42:39):
we are there historically to take youby the hand and show you that this
is the genuine article. This isthe real thing this time, and we
may never had this opportunity again.And that's one of the reasons that as
much as we were previously in contactwith my Gallagher's office and then now with

(43:01):
timber Schett, and now we're settingup meetings as far as with Growthman,
because if anything has to come tothe fore, it has to be Roswell,
because it's the one case that couldblow this open overnight. Because instead
of show us the documents, itshould come down to we want to see

(43:23):
the bodies. Show us the bodies, show us the wreckage. I mean,
for all the times that Bill Clinton, you know, last time he
was on Jimmy Kimmel and this iswhat they talked about. Any lament of
the fact that I had eight yearsin the Oval Office and I couldn't get
the truth about Roswell and we dida document search. Well, wait a

(43:43):
minute, you're the president of theUnited States and you only want to see
documents, you know what about thescene in an Independence Day where they take
them File eight, Area fifty oneand they show them the genuine article.
It should be just that simple.Either you have it or you don't.
O't Now what's sad is that they'veanticipated us for all these decades, and

(44:07):
it is an interest interesting that Ialways emphasize the point being that the government
slashed the military. They don't manufactureanything. Everything is contracted out to the
private sector. The very thing thatDwight Eisenhart was warning us about the military
industrial complex, that they're the oneswho are the power brokers right now the

(44:30):
ultimate here's again that we're at IronySteve that the government slashed the military may
not be able to show us anything. That it's the private sector that it
is. The Boeing, the Lockheedthat lost Alamos, the Rand, the
Battel General Electric. They're the oneswho happened to possess the very evidence that

(44:53):
we are now demanding to see onceand for all. So let me ask
you something done. Yes, they'refor I assume you know about this.
If you don't, it's okay,I can tell you. But given what
you just said, can you speakto the language that Chuck Schumer just recently
announced that he is going to putinto the twenty twenty four NDAA. Yes,

(45:15):
yes, please speak to that,because that smacks right into what you
just said, because it's it expands, extends beyond the reaches of the government.
It gets to the corporations. Itbrings them. Now these corporations,
which also ironically are exempt from freedomof information, and tell the audience that

(45:39):
what that language is. Tell tellthem about by the way, the Schumer
Amendment is called, I love this, the Unidentified Aero Phenomena Disclosure Act.
Hello, Hello, but tell thepublic what what that that act is about.
Well, I'll be honest with you, Steve, I'll be honest with
both of you. I am notthat familiar. I had a cursory as

(45:59):
far I heard it in the news, but I haven't looked at it.
I'm sure you have. Let metell you, and then then I want
you to continue. Yes, andthis is a major deal. Okay,
this is a really big deal.Again, those that are just out there
gonna watching it picking up, they'regoing. When you've been in this field
as long as I have, anddon has, Boy, you know how
big this is. Here is whathappened again, History will unfold and White

(46:22):
may not go clut the way youwant. Generally, if the tide of
history is going a certain way,it's gonna it's gonna go where it's supposed
to go. So Grush drops hisbomb July fifth. Nine days later,
on the fourteenth, Chuck Schumer,who's not on the Senate Intel Committee,
but is the the Senate Majority leader, one of the most one of the

(46:45):
Gang of Eight, one of themost powerful men in government, okay,
who almost certainly has known about Grush'sactivities. Of course he knows, as
he's tried to get this issue outgoing back almost eighteen months, so he
knows about Grus. He might haveeven known that Grush was going to make
a move publicly, all right,Okay, And when he knew that,

(47:08):
don't know. He might have knownweeks and weeks prior, but I think
he knew in advance he was goingto do what he did. So fourteen
days after Grush comes out and sayswhat he says about I was told by
USAP people we have crashed vehicles andbodies, Trumor announces that he's putting an
amendment into the bill. He isthe first language came from Rubio. The

(47:30):
second came Bridge Jill Brand. Thethird bill came from Warner. Okay,
now that now, but they aremembers of the committee. He is the
majority leader. He's been doing nothing, standing back keeping out of it being
neutral. He suddenly steps in.He's no longer neutral anymore. And I'm
putting this language in. And whatthis language basically says to everybody in the

(47:51):
United States and every company in theUnited States, if you have in your
possession any non human technology, itbelongs to the United States government. And
three hundred days, don't don't focuson the three hundred day ship. That's
just part of the protocols of doingthis shit during hundred days. After this

(48:12):
bill a sign you will provide anaccounting of all the arnuman tech you have,
all right, And basically, ifwe want it, we're going to
get it. So he is,he is just he is broken through that
barrier, crush the idea that theycan't they can hide under foia and put
not only not only the corporations.And I'm not criticizing them, they were

(48:37):
doing the work they were asked todo. They were doing. He's putting
everybody and the government unnoticed. Folks. It's over all right, just accept
it. It's over. I,the majority leader of the Senate, have
just confirmed to you indirectly that wedo have crash vehicles of non human origin,

(49:01):
we do have bodies. And Iam now going to make it legislatively
clear that we are going to addressthat and we control that. And he
drops that on the fourteenth, andthen only twelve days later after that,
Grush comes in and testifies and reaffirmsit. Folks, I don't know how

(49:22):
much of a message you need,but the Senate clearly has made it crystal
to the world. We are serious, we're gonna end this, and we're
going to do it. And sowhat Donna is talking about is exactly what
the Senate majority just addressed. HAnd I just want to get to the

(49:42):
public now. Please continue, andI'm going to actually cut you off for
a moment in the thought that Ithink one of the best possibilities of why
Senator Schumer got so involved so quickly. He is very close to are my
other congressional representative, and Kirsten Gillibrandover the past year plus has made herself

(50:08):
one of the best informed elected officialsthat we have in government regarding this process.
And she takes it very seriously.Also, just a word about the
fact that one thing Steve hasn't beenmentioning, and your analysis of this is
so valuable, not just to me, but I know to a lot of

(50:30):
our viewers that the individuals who arethe most ferociously involved are almost without consciously
well. I don't think it's areal factor whether or not they are or
they see themselves as conservatives or liberalsor Democrats, republicans or progressives, whatever

(50:59):
side of the line they're on thesepolitical divisions. It's like a zone where
they simply can't exist. There's moreimportant stuff going on, and that's a
very positive thing, very positive infact that in the committee hearing, that's
something that make this fast. You'vethey said over and over again, this

(51:20):
is nonpartisan. This is nonpartisan.This is nonpartisan. They and I've been
preaching this for some time. This, folks, you guys are in a
hyperpartisan swamp. I don't know howthe hell you're going to get out of
it. This is your chance.You have an issue, you can come
around, you can act like civilhuman beings. You can be the people
you are when you're home having dinnerwith your folks. Do that and you'll
find you're going to get a lotof good, good, good returns from

(51:42):
the public, a lot of praise, and that will speed things along and
we might be able to get toanother place and this issue will be the
step ladder. There. See,this entire Schumer Ac had a totally blindside
the Pentagon because the public are notsupposed to know that such advanced technology would
have been assimilated into the private sector, because the Pentagon's sole prerogative, from

(52:09):
the very conception of acquiring advanced technologywould be the military application. Can es
actually make a bigger gun out ofit, so to speak. We know
they're going to do that. That'swhat they do. Doesn't mean it doesn't
mean that they haven't considered non nonnon weapon usage. It could be very

(52:34):
helpful to us, but unfortunately theycan't provide it to us because if they
did, they'd have to end thetruth embargo, right, but that would
still be the primary, you know, concern of the military of the Pentagon.
And let let the cat out ofthe bag, because even the media
doesn't consider that because it's always thegovernment is holding on the government is covering

(52:57):
up. No, no, no, no, it's with a mutual agreement
with the private corporations that as longas they play ball, they remain connected,
they get the contracts, they getthe next as far as a fleet
of fighters, that type of thingand original field. Lockheed Martin and the
skunk Works had the talent right now, they could have they could have gone

(53:22):
out and I don't know what doyou call it, conscripted that talent and
demanded all the scignists, We're gonnaget a skunk works. You now you
now belong to the government. Makethem a GS thirteen or something. But
no, that's where that's where,that's where a lot of the talent is.
Not that they don't have it andso but we have been doing that
from the get go, and nothingsurprising about this, and nobody was complaining

(53:45):
when the corporate world jumped in forwardand all these other people started making airplanes
and tanks in order to feat theaccess powers. Nothing unusual about this.
Okay. However, as the secrecyexpands and grows and this issue becomes an
embargo, then it becomes a littlebit tricky. By the way, I
don't know if you caught it thatthere was a moment when Grush referred to

(54:07):
the Lockheed Martins and all all theother companies as the metal metal benders,
that's what he calls them, Ithink the metal benders. And we remember
who originally cited Lockheed Martin and thatwas the latest set of their Harry Reid,
though ye contracted that comment, butnonetheless he had originally made it.

(54:27):
Yeah, but Ben ben Rich ofcourse made a number of comments that teased
us out of Lockheed's gunkworks. Andthen one of the it's easy to forget
because he stepped back after a whilevery quickly, but one of the people
that came forward with the with thethe Magnificent ten back in twenty seventeen with
Steve Justice, it was a youknow, it's just a director of Lockheed
Martin's gunk works, all right,And so yeah, Lockheed Martin. When

(54:50):
when it's all said and done,it's going to be held up as one
of the great patriotic organizations. They'vebeen helping, they've been doing this great
work and now they can talk aboutand it's going to be it's gonna be
fine. Okay, these are notevil people. There are people that are
doing the work of the Defense Department, and if they're screened from f OI
it's under law right and and andif the government benefits from them being protected

(55:15):
by not being under FIA, that'sserve secrecy, that serves national security.
That's okay. I'm I'm not totallybent out of shape by that. But
they have both the superior technology withthe hope advantage we have over our enemies,
and they may also indeed have thealien technology. And hold that thought

(55:37):
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We being myself, Don Schmidt andSteve Bassett. We are talking about last
Wednesday, Wednesday's televised congressional hearings fromthe House of Representatives, and I wanted
to pose a question first to Donand take as long as you like in
answering it for me. Over thepast year and a half, two years
that this whole juggernaut has been gainingsteam, one of the most interesting AHA

(01:00:00):
moments has been that awareness expressed bya number of our elected officials kind of
that there was a B C.A D. Aspect to that moment when
we first learned about the tic tacUFOs and the world changed. The awareness
was there's a history of these thingsgoing back before that report in the early

(01:00:22):
two thousands. Well, yes thereis, and it is a massive work
of research, scholarship, documents,testimonies, evidences, This is a perfect
moment to kind of initiate directing peopletoward educating themselves on this subject. And

(01:00:45):
it's hardly a dry subject to educateyourself on. It is exciting to learn
about and quite a revelation when yousee actual documents lined up with real events
testified to by real people. Anythoughts on again taking this back to the
baseline, Roswell is the book ofGenesis here, This is where it begins

(01:01:07):
in modern times in an area thatyou are particularly well qualified to speak about.
How do we, for example,direct more and more elected officials,
people with cloud, people in publiclife to your books for example. Well,
I'm very pleased that because of efforts, especially like Steve in that June

(01:01:34):
of last year when the Pentagon releasedits report and they tried to limit the
scope of their investigation back to onlytwo thousand and four, and we already
were crying file back at that point, because it's like, well, then
their fallback can easily be Russian,Chinese or even our technology. They have
to go back to the beginning whenthe skies were Christine, when there were

(01:01:58):
no drones, where there were one, were no satellites, there were jet
and rocket propulsion were in their infancypost World War Two. And the fact
that now that Congress is acknowledging thatthe phenomena does indeed go back seventy six
years, they can't put that backin the bottle. That's what's wonderful about
this that it has totally eliminated thiscounter you know, conventional explanation that it's

(01:02:25):
one of ours. Well, itwasn't back in forty seven. I'm sorry,
And it's one of the reasons thatthe Air Force first set up Project
Signed then Grudge then Bluebook, becausethere was something that was clearly invading our
airspace back at that time. Yougo back to that summer of nineteen forty
seven, you would have thought wewere indeed being invaded. And for all

(01:02:45):
the failed attempts to identify and explainaway what was going on, and especially
should one drop in our lapse andthat as I have become convinced, and
as you all know, I meanI was a skeptic on Roswell. I
felt, you know, we trippeddown into Mexico and we would prove that
this indeed was nothing more than somethingProsaic had and how long we were and

(01:03:08):
the first trip already established that becausewhen you're talking the first hand witnesses,
both military and civilian, and it'sthere that word script again, but the
point being they were all reading fromthe same script. They were all describing
exactly with their limited knowledge, thefact this was an unprecedented event. They

(01:03:29):
were describing in the best earthly termsthat they could what they held in their
very hands. And so, likewhat Steve mentioned earlier, as far as
Sean Kirpatrick, who you know,he's the director of the All Domain Resolution
Office ARROW the idea that you know, there's there's no credible evidence, and

(01:03:50):
that he even made the comment thatthey're insulted by these hearings and especially the
testimony of Grudge Grush for example.But let's also keep in mind that the
rand UAP report came out in Mayand it just hit their website just a
few days ago, where they focusedon over one hundred thousand case reports one

(01:04:13):
hundred thousand, and now they're tryingto draw a connection that geographically that most
of these signings take place around militaryfacilities. So you see how they're trying
to once again play Project Bluebook allover again that with sufficient data that these
can all be easily explained away.But the point is, as Heineck,

(01:04:39):
my scientific director, always demonstrated,the more data, the more profound,
the more unexplainable these cases work.It's easily just to sweep something away as
being a weather balloon at ten thousandfeet, but when you have crystal clear
detail described by the likes of Gravesand Favor and then others, that there's

(01:05:02):
no mistaking that these objects are definingthe very laws of physics, that they
are able to go into bodies ofwater and then at hundreds of miles an
hour maneuver beneath as far as submergedbeneath the water. I'm sorry, if
we're talking Russian or Chinese were introuble. That's why That's where Rubio has

(01:05:26):
been very accurate in saying that ifthis is not extraterrestrial, we're in a
lot more trouble. If it,we're dealing as far as but one of
our as far as enemies. Rightnow, you remind me the very first
awareness. It is a tangent,but I think one that is such an
integral part of all of this,the idea of underwater UFOs. The first

(01:05:50):
time I heard any phraseology around it, I had to smile, because it
just sounds like one more way todiscredit the serious subject like secret underground base.
Well, that's not science fiction.That's part of reality and has been
for decades and decades, even withour own military and civilian facilities. But

(01:06:13):
the fact that you fire a bulletunderwater and it slows down incredibly fast and
then drops like the bullet that itis for me as inconceivable as so many
other aspects of UFO UAP genuinely anomaloustype phenomena are. The idea of moving

(01:06:34):
through an atmosphere like that with suchresistance at oh, let's just say,
even several hundred miles an hour,is yet one more mind blowing aspect of
how dwarfed we are in terms ofour true grasp of so much of the
technology that we're faced with. Herea tangent, please continue. Well,

(01:07:02):
And it was one of the thingsthat very early on, for all the
analysis, all the testing, allthe attempts at finding the on button,
as a result of this material,this inexplainable, this strange, bizarre material
that was coming in from Roswell andspecifically at that time at right Field right

(01:07:24):
Patterson Air Force based in foreign technologydivision. And again any historian, anyone
who knows the background that whether itwas the German technology, Japanese, Russian,
if we so much as we covereda Russian mige, it would go
to right Patterson for testing an analysis. And so that's where historically it's a

(01:07:45):
matter of historic fact that the wreckagefrom Roswell went to right Field. Now,
why would you have to test andanalyze a weather balloon of off the
shelf material of rubber foils, wouldsticks, strength and tape? I'm sorry,
right there, the anti kept goingup and then to just hear this
very terminology once again coming from oneof the corporations about self healing metal.

(01:08:14):
You know where that originated with BettelInstitute when they were contracted by right Field
within weeks after Roswell with the assignmentof trying to develop self healing metal.
So again all roads lead back toRoswell. The idea that whether it's the
technology, whether it's the materials,and then the non human bodies, and

(01:08:41):
so the fact that that is wecontinue to push that. I would just
love persony to see that Roswell wouldfinally have its day in court. Before
going on to Steve, I wantedto know who you felt, whether it
was witness or questioner, got theclosest to saying as much as this goes

(01:09:06):
back to a certain event in NewMexico in nineteen forty seven, do you
feel that one of those people wascloser to touching on the particular of that
or I mean it came through indirectlyin a number of statements. Yeah,
I don't recall a No, Idon't recall an illusion. But let's be

(01:09:27):
clear. The moment Grush said onNews Nation, yes that we have multiple
crash vehicles and bodies. He confirmedRoswell. I think good. Okay,
Now, let me be clear.Roswell was already confirmed before David Grush even
we knew the knew existed. Roswellwas proven some time ago by Don Schmidt,

(01:09:49):
Tom Carrey and a number of othergood researchers. It's an absolute lot
of certainty, right And I alwayssay that it is, and it is.
It is. The lynchpin of thisissue is and I'll discuss that in
a second as well. So rightaway, when he says that rosso has
been confirmed, let me go evenfurther. The moment the President of the

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United States finally confirms this issue,meaning Yeah, it's we've we've clearly been
had it proven to us that thenon human technology, the vast majority of
all the research has been done byprivate citizens going back to the nineteen forties,
is confirmed. The vast majority,the vast majority of it is in
fact true. There is there aremistakes, there's some lore, there's some

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odd areas, but the fundamental bodyof work absolutely true. It's confirmed.
Now, I believe because of socialmedia and the power of social democracy and
social journalism now meaning anybody can havea podcast, everybody's got access, I
believe that the work is not goingto get forgotten. They can't be left

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behind. This has not necessarily beenthe case. And so I think,
and I will certainly saying this isthat. Okay, all you five thousand
universities that have been sitting on yourbehind quarters this whole time, pretending nothing
was going on, not willing totouch it because your cowards basically and you
didn't realize your funding. Okay,Now your departments of the history and political

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science and everything else, start assigningto uh your staff there the job of
going back and reviewing all of theresearch done on this issue by the citizens,
science researchers who were doing it outof their own pocket without any help
the media against them, the governmentsaying and nothing doesn't exist, and see
what and let's let's let's gather togetherwhat they already told us and what information

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has been done there. And sothat's another aspect of disclosure and its power.
Now in terms of one of thethings about Roswell, it's so important
from the from the activist standpoint,is this when I'm when when I make
the statement and I do consistently andwill continue to do it, hopefully to

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bigger and bigger audiences, that what'sgoing on right now has nothing to do
with the government realizing that they needto find out what's going on up there,
because my god, who knew?Right, nonsense, It's all about
ending the truth embargo because the governmenthas always known. The way that I
can say that with absolute certainty isbecause Roswell was confirmed beyond any reasonable doubt,

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and therefore the government had to knowthere was an et presence and non
human technology no later than July fortyseven. Now it's possible that they might
have gotten a tip off a Gida, Cape Girarda or whatever. Hell that
Missouri there was a possible crash thereCape Giardo there, And now we've learned
that there might have been a crashvehicle obtained from an event in the thirties.

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But according to Grush, we didn'tget the vehicle in the thirties.
We got it when we became awareof it when the war ended and we're
gathering up German tech and everything else. So but we might have gotten our
hands on that that vehicle and itwas stuck somewhere in Italy prior to Roswell,

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in which case there would have beena bit of a tip off there.
But those can't be proven. They'rethey're far from proven. They might
be one day. Ross Mill hasbeen proven. So that PEG's the beginning
at absolutely no later than July offorty seven. And so I make that
statement with no reservations. And ifanybody wants to get get get on it,
I'll just say go read Tom andDon's book. And if you haven't

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figured it out after that, hewhat can I say? Move on?
History will continue without you. Soin that sense, it's the lynchpin.
It sets the mark that we canpound away now in terms of the Roswell
event, and it's in it's playout in the disclosure process. I don't
think it's going to turn up atthe hearings. And why. It's not

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a matter of the work wasn't greator anything, but it's old. It
goes back so far, and they'regoing to get more traction out of more
recent events, so like the nuclearweapons tampering and the shutdown of nukes,
things like that. These kinds ofwitnesses, very straight, very simple.
Ross will is a has been proven. But it is a very complicated,
involved and enormous effort. And willit get mentioned. Probably? Are they

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going to bring Don and Tom into testify before? I don't think so.
Post disclosure, now that is adifferent matter entirely. Post disclosure one
of the jobs that I will takeupon myself, and I know my colleagues
will. It's okay, folks,let's get out there on social media and
let's make it clear that in thehearings following disclosure, we want to see

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some Don Schmidts and Tom Carrey's.We want to see some God, I'm
having a more boy, my memoryis getting so poor. U. Well,
obviously we're going to see Robert Salas, we see Robert Hastings. Maybe

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not maybe afterwards, and then thecontactees. When are some of those going
to turn up? We expect thoseto be testifying in front of Congress.
We expect them to go get thattestimony from these people that have carried the
water and actually have the direct informationand if and the reason they need to
do that is not simply because wejust don't want to be left out,

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but because they need the public tosee them doing it. They need to
have the public watch them, recognizeand bring forward these people, these citizens
that did this work that will dothem in good stead with the public,
which is going to continue to beextremely suspicious of anything that solely comes from
government source. They want to seethem acknowledge the citizens in this and they

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want to they want to believe thatthey will continue to do that and we
will never go through another thing likethis ever again. Well, if I'm
a quickly, Peter. After therewas the closed door briefing of the committee
after last June's Pentagon report, andBurchette was one of the people who stepped

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up to the microphone and he actuallysaid, if they refuse to discuss Roswell,
I'm out of here. I missedthat. Yes, I missed that,
And then when we have approached it, and for him to have admitted
that he has read a number ofour books, and we are going to

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hold him to the fact that hehas told us that when we are ready
for you to testify, we willcall you. So, okay, he
put that on the table. Nowhe may be the only one, but
nonetheless he has not been a forto mension Roswell. He has not been

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afraid to acknowledge the fact that hebelieves that Roswell indeed could be the one
fire behind all these smoke that wouldblow this wide open. Can you send
the link that you do? Youdo you think you can find the link
where he makes that statement? BecauseI missed it. I won't find that.
Yes, And because that's important.What that says is, if there's
another house hearing, there's a goodchance that they'll they'll bring that up.

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They'll bring it up, they'll bringyou in. So if if the House
holds another hearing, or the Burchettis in another subcommittee hearing, you might
get in that door. Very possible. And that's cool. Now, what's
up. I know it's an outsidechance, but we're going to push it.
We really are. So again,what the Senate Intel should be the

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next hearing and probably closes it out. I mean, that's it. I
don't think eight days of hearings,ten fifteen, twenty witnesses this ball game
president is going to be able todisclose. But if for whatever reason,
it's not quite enough, and soafter maybe ten days or eight days,
we still haven't had action from thePresident that the House may step in and

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say, okay, we're going tohold another one. And so that hearing
could follow or maybe even somewhat contemporaneouswith the Senate Intel and they might be
burch and he might bring you allin then, and you'll kind of be
in play at the same time.It's very possible, and that's fine.
But my hope, of course,is the Senate Intel Committee closes the deal
and wraps it up. And then, of course, and then the fact

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is, let's face it, Dawn, you and Tom and many others that
we can think of being able tocome into this town and sit down at
that table and take an oath afterthe world has been told that there is
an extra trust your presence. AllI can say, my friend, is

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that you're going to get some seriouslove, all right. It's count Toby
even more cool. I mean,you're going to have people coming up to
you. Can I shake your hand? Can I shake your hand? Wow?
Well, you know, and thenthe press is in there, you're
taking all the photographs and everything.Whereas if you get the hearing before,
it'll be like, oh, okay, it's good. I'm glad that Don's
there. We'll see what happens.Wish you luck. We hope you know.

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It comes to some fruition, Ithink, But I know I've often
commented that it has never mattered tous. Who secures the truth, who
finally, you know, pulls thecurtain wide open for the world to see.
But we just want to stay inthe race. We want to be

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at the finish line when it happens. But we want more than that.
Oh yes, yes, absolutely,we want to be part of the And
this is why Danny Sheen setting upthe new Paradigm Institute, which is it's
on its way, it's already legallydone. He's gathering a powerful group of
advisors. Danny has access to somepretty high level people. It'll be based

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on the West Coast, but it'salso going to have an office I believe
in the National Press. Bill possiblyknow one floor from where I'm at right
I'm in the National Press Building.Right now, I'm going to convert PRG
to a think tank. Only tookme twenty five years or a nonprofit rather,
probably should have done it sooner.Why why are we doing all that?
Because the confirmation of the et presenceby the President is simply a formalization,

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is something we already knew, butit's important because it changes worldview and
opens up doors to everything. Andso at that point the real work begins.
Just knowing there's et presence doesn't meanmuch if we then have a nuclear
war six weeks later. So afterthat confirmation event comes the real work.

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To what extent can the good people, which is made up of a lot
of people that have pursued this issuebecause they have smarts in an open mind
and clearly how valuable. To whatextent can we begin the process of reforming,
reforming the world that we live in, the geopolitics, well everything that

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matters, diplomacy, geo politics,a science, and ethics all that,
To what extent can we reform itto stop to divert us from the path
we're on, which which is headingstraight over the cliff and we're going over
the cliff. So just being toldthat the ets are here, okay,
great, and then we continue onour path. We're going over the cliff,
and so as we're falling down toour death, we'll go well,

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at least I know there are extraterrestrialshere. Now. The world needs a
major reform process, and it's neededit for some time, but it's going
to take a vent of this magnitudeto trigger it and then the real work
begins that I want to be partof that, and I know, especially
on a global scale quickly, becauseI want to also mention and I'm going
to hold the likes of Father RobertSpitzer, who's head of the Magic Center

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in la He's the lead Jesuit scientistwho reports directly to Pulpe Francis. And
I often point out, like ourmuseum in Roswell, we have the second
largest UFO library in the world.Who would you guess has the largest the
Vatican? Oh, yeah, theVatican has the largest UFOL library. And

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I want to see the Vatican's Roswellfile. Well, then you need to
you need to hang with me andDanny, because I know that Danny's influence
and involvements there is going to multiplytenfold after disclosure. He's all primed for
that. So again we have theteam of people to really shake things up
and do do important work. Wejust have to be sure using our social

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media skills and our media contacts,and we have a lot of those that
people come to understand that, andnot just citizens in general, but corporations
out there that are going, wow, what are we going to do in
the post disclosure world? I don'tknow who should we talked to and call
up some standard public relations firm thatwouldn't know eat ufo from a Boston cream

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pie. No, they need tobe talking to us well, and I
hope they'll get that picture. Andas we would, I think we would
agree that too often the very spokespeoplewho supposedly represent us are not They shouldn't
be the go to people that theyare the ones that, for whatever reason,
the press gravitate towards And I'm sorry, they don't know the history.

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They really don't know as far asthe players involved, And as a result,
I don't want them speaking for mebecause the moment they start telling the
audience what happened at Roswell Well it'sonly what you've read from one of our
books. A good point. Ithink the people I'm referring to are smart
people, and they have the abilityto distinguish between spokespeople and the hardcore researchers

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have the knowledge. Peter, Now, Peter's Peter. You're still muted.
Peter, you're on mute. Mute, mute. He's mooted. He can't
unnew still No, Well, it'sit's our showing up. It's the he

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thinks he's no. No, no, no, no, no, no,
mute, mute mute. Here yougo, partner. No, As
I was saying to myself, youknow, we do have lead time between
these hearings, and for anybody seriouslyinterested in in following kind of gaming as

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we go, there are books youcan and should be reading. Two at
the top of my list are Childrenof Roswell and um Um, the first
book done Witnessed Witness Store Roswell Um. People sometimes put down witness driven testimony
or that well, people see thingsdifferent, or you're in Choca what have

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you? Set those notions aside andread Witness to Roswell and Children of Roswell.
They are two of the best research, most emotionally explosive and best documented
of any kind of witness driven testimonyI have ever seen, and again backed

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up by credible people, almost allof who are gone now. Don and
Tom spent so many years going backand winning the trust of people, sometimes
taking quite a number of visits tohear testimony that is so much like the
next remembrance, whether it's a seniormember or somebody who is young at the

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time, repeated over and over andover, the same patterns, the same
words sometimes and to know that thesepeople have come forward not because they're looking
for attention, not because they wantan extra income, not because they want
to publish a book, but becausethey want to go on record with something

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that they lived through before they die. They're very important books. Please read
them. And don I know youhave another show. She had just a
couple of minutes with us, Thankyou, Peter. But you all remember
who the late Frankie role was.She was daughter the fire crew chief at
the Roswell Fire Department. And forhaving held a piece of the memory material

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that a state police officer by thename of Robert Scroggins brought in the show
to his buddies at the firehouse onhis way home to Hobbs, which is
our east of Roswell, So shehappened to be at the wrong place at
the wrong time. But nonetheless,when the officer and the other MP's came

(01:26:56):
to her home, please her hersister, their mother with you know,
just the ultimate sentence that they wouldbe killed if they were talked about this
again, and that Frankie would callme up. Just a few years before
she died and she had returned backto her home in Roswell from her talis

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after her husband James had passed away, and she gets a phone call.
She tells me that the gentleman calledup and said he was passing through New
mexicoll on his way back to Arizona, and want to know if he could
stop by. And she said,I can't believe I did it. I
said it was okay, And Isaid, well, you could leave,

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you could hide out, you couldcall the police, just have them,
you know, on standby, orwe could see who it is. So
she braved it out. He arrived, she went to the door very cautiously,
but nonetheless he introduced himself as theson of the very officer who would

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her with death. Should he everknow, should you ever talk about this
again? And he reminded her thatI hope you understand my father was following
orders. It was nothing personal.They were all following orders. This was
something be on their grasp. Theyhad no other way to handle it and
shut it down. And then hereached from behind his back and he pulled

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out a bulkhey of flowers and said, if my father was still alive,
he'd want you to have these.So I heard, I was remember hearing
Frankie talk about that it was agesture on the part of the military making
peace with the civilians. It hadcome for, and there was closure.

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They hugged one another, they criedin each other's arms, and it was
you know, it's something that justimagine on the floor of you know,
as far as the House Committee,as far as re enacting that, there's
a lot of He'll only add tothat that anybody who is watching or listening

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doesn't know Don or Frankie Rowe,and it's thinking of himselves. Well,
you know, an older person lookingfor a little attention. Maybe he's been
maybe exaggeration, maybe just a wellmeeting kind of white lie. If you
had had an opportunity to meet Frankieor the other people that are so brought

(01:29:27):
to life in Don and Thoma's books, you would understand that that's not it's
a thought that really has no weight. Um and I spoke to the Sun.
He confirmed the story. I mean, I mean, so it's like,
uh, and how he felt hisfather was certainly very proud of him

(01:29:48):
for actually making, you know,making that gesture on his part. I
am, I am of a mind. I mean, it's not because I'm
a military brad kid. My feelingsabout the United States and its national security
policy were pretty much shredded by VietnamWar. But as as as an older
man, I've got a little morecircumspection. I want to believe did while

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these these men went around and threatenedthe citizens of Rosswell, I want to
believe they would not have carried outthose threats that they threatened them. But
if somebody had done something, theywould not have buried it in the desert.
They might have they might have putthem in, confined them for a
while, or but they wouldn't havecarried them out, carried out the threats.
I want to believe that. Ijust who knows, there's no way

(01:30:38):
to know, but just in yourright steep, because that's all it took.
I mean it's post World War two. The military walked on water,
yes at that time, and sothis shattered, you know, that confidence,
that level of just trust and faiththey had in the military. I

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mean this bond that the Roswarmy Airfieldhead with the city of Roswell was totally
torn, you know, like acurtain. You know, as far as
the two sides of a situation thatagain they had to deal with mutually,
but nonetheless, the military they couldbe ordered to you know, silence,
but the civilians they had to takeother measures. And I think I'd like

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to believe you are absolutely correct steedthat they would have never carried out those
measures, but they still needed toplay that heavy hand and it worked.
It would work today. I mean, I'm there a lot more stories you
could be told about Roswell. They'vebeen as you know, there was a
there was a TV series with youngkids that was pretty popular. Forget that.

(01:31:45):
There's been some dobst There's so muchmore rich and there that and I've
been I've been in now La fortwo years now trying to make connections into
the film worldwide, because the filmindustry is going to be the major content
delivery post disclosure that they're gonna becrank out the material, and I'm trying

(01:32:08):
to alert them to the huge amountof material that's there. When they're ready
to engage it. I'd like himto get engaging it now. There's going
to be a little of that.There's some in the works. But there
are stories upon stories upon stories tobe told. But to further add to
what you just said, the storyof the truth embargo and the et presence
in the modern era, which againi'll take it July forty seven, is

(01:32:30):
a complex dynamic in which you haveon one side a whole lot of people,
good people, patriotic people who areserving the national security of the country.
And on the other side you've gotthis huge array of citizens and to

(01:32:51):
some Degreek journalists that are learning thetruths about some things and they're coming to
other in this very very odd uhsituation that while if it had lasted a
few years, would have been abig deal, but to go on for
a lifetime seventy some years is phenomenal. And so it's just created this this

(01:33:15):
is warped the relationship and so thatthe public has now a warped relationship of
who serves the national security and thepeople inside the government. They're all upset
because they're being attacked and trolled andcalled criminals and everything else, and so
they're they're they're developing a bad attitudetoward the public, and so this relationship
has been poisoned. That's just afact and it needs to be fixed.

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But it is a great story totell. Who wants to write that book?
That book? You know, Idon't think it's playing games with language
to say that perhaps we should changethe terminology from national security to what it's
really been from the start, nationalinsecurity, you know, because yeah,
it just makes me feel insecure.It sounds like an old fighter cartoon from

(01:34:04):
the village for the Department of NationalInsecurity. Yes, gentlemen, I do
need to sign all kids, sobodyfor joining us ton new it again soon,
So again question we're writing, we'rewriting high at the moment, but
we're gonna this roller coaster is gonnahave its dips. But that's where together

(01:34:25):
we work together and encourage one anotherthat we have to stay course and the
truth will will out. The truthembargo will you know, and do.
If you're going to be in eitherDC or LA, check with me because
if I'm going to be at thesame time, let's get together. Yeah,
absolute, because I have LA comingup as far as doing some narration,

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so I will let you know.Steve. Okay, thank you.
Wonderful gentlemen. Aye, thank you, Davin, Marie, wonderful, thank
you. Thanks, Peter, Byebye bye bye. Well we finally got
rid of him. Boy, whata bore you guys. By the way,
you may have noticed that I've beenI've been having I haven't eaten all

(01:35:09):
them starving to this. I've beenhaving some milk and cookies. That's perfectly
actually, I'm doing that to makemyself more accessible. Well, there is
a form of a warm, fuzzyaspect to anybody eating milk and cookies.
You know, I'm certain things arejust self evident. But I'm so proud
to have both of you guys asfriends, and you really reinspire me.

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Sometime we all hone in on hyperspecific points and some of the exchanges that
we've had on this show as wellas you know, lots of other forums
are really helping to drive this machineof moving closer to the truth. What
do you anticipate or is it toowild to say or even predict or suggest

(01:35:55):
what might be coming around the cornerat us in whatever committee being comes next.
Well, again, I believe thenext hearing will be the Senate Intel.
I think if Warner is wise,he will announce the date of it
during the recess, and others hewon't wait until they get back in town.
Ever, everybody plenty of notice,so say sometime third week of August

(01:36:18):
for the invocas, he may announce, Okay, we're going to hold a
Senate Intel hearing on September the ninth, and he may announce is going to
be a series of hearings. It'sgoing to last for several days whatever,
and everybody gets prepared for that,and there will be a big deal.
That's what I hope will happen ifhe does do that, and the witnesses

(01:36:39):
that we know are potentially available,who who have been interview already, and
they actually do what we just saw, take the oath and tell what they
tell, and also answer a wholebunch of scripted questions. By the way,
those are scripted questions designed to getthat response. I cannot speak to
that in open hearing. But Ican talk to you privately that because they

(01:37:00):
understand that that question, in thatresponse gives out information that they wanted out,
namely, yeah, it's real.So they can do that. It
will end the truth embargo. Butwhile I have you, and since we're
going down memory lane, let metell you something else I'm looking forward to
do post disclosure. Back in theearly odds two thousand and four to two
thousand and ten, I held sixX conferences, and I had to stop

(01:37:25):
because they all lost money and mydeadchess got words and wards and word.
I couldn't do it. So Idid to six and the highlight of those
was the banquet where we gave outawards. And it was an extra political
event. It was extra politics.It wasn't a UAP of that say,
and so the context allowed for arange of awards, and so I gave
out five to six each one andit was the highlight of my year all

(01:37:48):
right now, As it happens,some of the wards were posthumous, some
of the words were not, butthe person wasn't there, and so I
have still some of these in mypossession. Let us review the situation first.
Let me mention that and This wasjust and as a poto up on

(01:38:11):
my Facebook page. You can seeit. It's in my Facebook photos,
or I may put it back upon Twitter. I gave a I think
it was a could have been aharb of Fame award to James McDonald,
but I was able to present thatto his widow, Betsy aimed to the
event, and so I have aphoto of me giving her the award that
went to James McDonald. True,I gave an award I think it was

(01:38:36):
also a Lifetime Achievement award to LawrenceRockefeller. I eventually was able to go
visit his daughter, who lives ina very very nice swank town on the
beach or in County. We hadlunch in a very nice restaurant. She

(01:38:56):
was quite old, but still andI gave her that award and asked her
a few questions. One of thekey questions I asked her was did you
support Lawrence's efforts in this area,which he did a lot of, And
she said, yeah, yes Idid, but then she added the rest
of the family did not y right. And then I gave award for Political

(01:39:18):
Courage to Congressman Stephen Schiff and twoof the people that came to the conference
too. I guess you could saycolleagues of mine. Two nice ladies.
They don't have the names Handy,I apologize, but they for whatever reason,
we're going to New Mexico. Andso they got with and met Steven

(01:39:39):
Ship's widow and gave her the award. Now she has still passed. Okay,
but there's still some that haven't beengotten. Let's review, Okay.
One of the awards that would havebeen posthumous was Lifetime Achievement Award to Richard
Hall. Now, Richard Hall wasnot a fan of the activist efforts with

(01:40:03):
a fan of mine. It wasa difficult, cantankerous guy, but god,
he did a lot of work.He was a warrior. And so
post disclosure probably maybe pret bit morelikely post I am looking forward to giving
this to one of the descendants ofRichard Hall. Touch or whatever. We'll

(01:40:26):
do that. And then here's one, Oh God, I want and I
got a glue. It easy todo. It won't be a problem.
But one of the awards I gavethis is two thousand and five, was
for political courage, right, whichis one of the words I get.
That's when I gave to Stephen Schiffwas too president to me. Carter,

(01:40:49):
Yes, for obvious reasons. Okay, we know what Jimmy tried to do
in nineteen seventy seven. Oh lordLordie, would I like to have the
ground a toss post disclosure and thehow would you say? Q factor that
I could make the right call andthey would say, Steve, you come
on down to Georgia and we wouldlove to have you present this to Jimmy.

(01:41:14):
Carter lived that long? Another one? Okay, and let's see,
all right, wait a minute,not done. I will definitely by the
way, it looks like you arethe recipient of a number of I got
a couple back there, and it'llbe healed. Now this one Lifetime Achievement
Award, Hall of Fame and LifetimeAchievement Award and Hall of Fame inductee Colonel

(01:41:36):
Gordon Cooper. All right, nowagain, I just did not know the
family, I didn't have any connectionsthere and just didn't have the means to
do it. But post disclosure orwould I like to be able to present
this board from two thousand and nineto one of the descendants of Gordon Cooper?
All right, I'm not done yet. Okay, not done. Ah,

(01:42:01):
here's another award. You never knowwhat you're gonna get. A little
courage, okay, totally appropriate twentyten for John Fife simonton the third and
I think we know why. Okay. He came forward and eventually confirmed to
James Fox that he did see thatcraft that day and that took a lot

(01:42:26):
of courage on his part, didthe right thing, and so I would.
And he's quite alive. I wouldlove to be able to personally present
this to h to John Simington forhis work because he played a role in
history and he deserves credit. Thena good politician and a good man.
Here's the one I really looking forwardto game. Okay, Uh, I

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don't know it's gonna be a trickyone. All right. Well, actually
I got two more. Wait,man, give me this one too.
Okay, here's another one. Okay. This is a Hall of Same inductee.
Pretty obvious posthumus. Uh. Andthis was in the two thousand and
seven conference two major Donald Kio Again, what I be able to give this

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to one of the uh Donald Kio'suh this endance in person? All right?
And then the one that really wantto do the boy it's gonna be
tough. This is an award forpolitical courage, totally appropriate two thousand and
nine. I think I invited himto come, but I'm not sure.

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I'm pretty sure I'm not on hisfavorite list or you know, you know,
star list in his phone. Butpolitical courage to John Podesta, I
would very much nice, kind ofnice. I'd feel good if I could,
if I could present this him inperson at some point. He certainly

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earned it, and I hope hedoesn't hold too far, too hard,
feeling that I have pretty much pesteredhim and his political a family there which
includes of course, to Clinton's fortwenty some years. Awkward moment, but
you're still alive, which means theydidn't kill you. So there you see.
I have. I have some funthings to do post disclosure right there

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alone now. One of the thingsI might want to do. It's not
easy, but I might and ifI if things go the way they're going
right now, I might be ableto pull it off is post disclosure,
I want to hold a x Xcon reunion event wow where it where I

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would bring back as many as possibleof just pretty much all of the speakers,
as many of the speakers possible tospoke at the original six X conferences,
to speak in a reunion event,hopefully to a very large audience somewhere
in the DC area, and we'llcall that X con and reunion or whatever.
That would be pretty cool. Troubleposts closure, everybody's cultus are going

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to go way up, cost upfortune. You know. It's like,
yes, I'd love to come,Steve, Yeah, I believe see Yuh
talk to my agent. I thinkI'm I think it's fifteen thousand now,
you know, So I want tohave to do some hard bargaining. I
have to really tug on some hardstrings if I want to get that done
and tell them. But yes,yeah, but still so they're obviously and

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I couldn't. We couldn't handle everyone. That's a very large alumni alumnis alumni.
But uh, if I could geteven a half of the speakers that
spoke and that those six events backto talk not only about what they know
now, but also what's it beenlike for them since since they poke at
the ex conference? How did theseten years ago by a good bad?

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What what I mean? You're talkingabout some pretty cool, cool stories.
So anyway, it's a conference,se if you brought up a subject that
intrigues me, being really loving filmsso much and having to be so much
a part of my life for thegreat majority of my life, and of

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course being my share of science fictionand UFO related films. It's really interesting
to think about how some basic aspectof the character of films about aliens,
other intelligences contact UFOs, How whatstructural character may change in post disclosure films.

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Feature films, Hollywood type films,films from Europe that deal with this
subject that are almost unthinkable now becausewe've never been on the other side of
that line. That will redefine theworld for filmmakers as well as the rest
of us. Interesting point I can'ttalk about. I can't give you the
details now, but I am involvedin a project, another project which could

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get announced in September, that willbe the mission Statement. Mission statement involves
helping the film industry put the goodmessages, the right messages in their films

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relating to the ET issue, particularlyif we're in the post disclosure world,
but also leading up to the postdisclosure world, which held by September could
already be a done deal. We'llsee, but it post disclosure even better
because again, I think after theET presence is confirmed, I think trying
to sell another Alien sequel right withthose things, you know, it is

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going to be a little harder sell. And more importantly, what they put
in any movies, fictional movies byET's going to be significant. And there's
a whole lot of things that filmindustry will not put in their films now
because they know film well full wellthat is not not not good. And
so this this is going to betrue about this, and so that project
is centered on that. It's alsogoing to be centered on getting back to

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something else, I said, partof my efforts to not only ensure that
all the people that carried the watersince nineteen forty seven are not forgotten,
but also engaged. But how aboutput together with the money and the content

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talent to tell the stories with theirinput, with them, consulting with them,
helping with the scripts and all ofthat. It's I'm gonna be working
on that too. But yeah,one of the one of the I think
key statistics of the last going backto one, which is when really the

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first ET movie turned up, therehad been some Ets in these you know,
flash things. What have they dothese little small things they did before
film before, prior to that,and they flash Gordon stuff. I think
that was pre fifty one. Butin terms of the actual film, fifty
ones when it starts, and they'vedone about six hundred movies since then with
ets in them. These films Ihaven't done. I need to do a

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reanalysis because it's been almost eight tenyears. But I'm speculating these six hundred
films have generated for the film industryperhaps as much as two hundred billion dollars
in ticket sales, advertising revenues,licensing rights, and product sales. Two
hundred billion dollars. No other filmgenre, no other genre, film has
made more money for the film peoplethan this genre. And fine, great,

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I've seen a lot of them,damn near all of them. What
can I say? You know,though, I am getting a little tired
of the space Westerns, to behonest with you, probably had enough of
those. I'm also getting tired ofthe Marvel film with people flying around without
any means of propulsion. I'm gettinglittle tired of that. But again,
sci fi guy. But in allof that time, not a single documentary

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about this phenomena has gotten theatrical distribution. In the theaters. Some people rented
a couple of theaters and they cameout with a dock and they rented the
theaters and then they put it upon straight to video or whatever the hell.
Not a single one. And thereason I believe until somehow I am
it's proven to me otherwise, yewhoever, you are, all the big

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shots right, and then include Spielberg, all of them. No doc.
The reason was simple, if youmake a high quality documentary on this subject
along the lines of the docs we'veseen from our colleagues with not much money,
doing the best they can, butwith better tech every year, and

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get a little better at it.But still seven years of this seventy years
fift nineteen fifty one, we're talkingseventy money years, not a single doc
is because they knew that if youtake this subject and you put it up
on a big screen and you stickit in three thousand theaters, you are
giving it a huge amount of gravitas. You were saying to all your film

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people, all those films, thisis real. Look at this big damn
wow, and they're talking about Oswellor whatever. And so we don't want
to do that because that would upsetthe government and we're making a fortune off
this subject. Why do we wantto rock that boat? Now, some
film pro may get take me asideone day and say, mister Bassett,

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you have it wrong. This iswhy no doc was given theatrical distribution.
It wasn't about that whatever. I'mopen to it. Hell, I'd just
like to go to their party,right. But let me now say I
no longer can say that because Ijust found out. And if it wasn't
because this guy likes to keep alow profile and never return phone calls.
It's just that, yeah, wellthat's part of the reason I didn't just

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found out. But I'm in linefor the hearing at the Oversight Committee on
the twenty sixth, and who isthere but Randy Nickerson, And so I
had a chance that chatted up withRandy Nickerson and guess what I found out.
Well, people to know Randy isa very fine documentary filmmaker who's feature

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on the Zimbabwe He spent years makinga documentary about the Zimbabwe RUA case.
And it's called Aerial School Aerial Phenomenarather a EL because I was the name
of the school. Took forever toget it done, and you couldn't reach
him. He's doing everything kind ofin the background and doing all thirty seconds
Steve, So okay, net result. I learned from him that he's working

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with a distributor and they've they're gettingruns of two hundred and fifty theaters.
They may get some more runs oftheaters. And so I think I can
now say that Aerial School by RandyNicholson is the first doc on this subject
to ever get proper, reasonable andhopefully more theatrical distribution on the big screen.
Congratulation Randy. Yes, and thankyou Steve. That's a perfect note.

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And the show on nobody I knowis worked harder to produce a higher
quality documentary on this subject. It'sterrific. I just want to let you
know that next week's guest will bedoctor Bruce Cornett. His book, which
is Unconventional Aerial Phenomena in the Hudsonand Wallkill Valley River Valley, looks like

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dry reading. It is massive.It's one of the best pieces of documented
research. He is a true scholar, a brilliant mind, a great uthologists
and he'll be our guest next week. Steve, I can't thank you enough
for joining me tonight. Don aswell. We will see you next week.
Stay well Steve and continue to planfor control of the universe and Oaks.

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I need Twitter followers at Steve Bassettfollow me please, thank you. M.