Nicktoons Battle for Volcano Island is THE Game Ever

Veronica and Mark Revisit a game from Mark's childhood to see if it holds up, Nicktoons Battle for Volcano Island!

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Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Hello, Hello, Hello, what'sup everyone? I really want to see
the minions sing the yodel song.You have to do you have to have

(00:20):
that. That has to be athing. One day degenerous surprise, ramses
by saying he'd be booked for thefollowing weekend. She's like a superhero.
She's not a superhero. She's likea super villain that has about She's like
syndrome drawen. Look, this isThis is Nicktoons Battle for Volcano Island,
otherwise known as a SpongeBob in France, Settle for Volcano where I lived.

(00:42):
This this like uh whirlpool looking effectis the same thing as fucking wrath.
I was gonna say it reminds meof Crash rather Cortex. No, it
was like a shitty MIDI version ofit. How would you make a mid
I version? But even that wasn'teven It was like Crash three Steam.

(01:03):
It was that ship. Do youremember the Crash three don't don't don't,
don't dun't. Yeah, yeah,Jimmy neutron to Even though Jimmy's not even
fucking in this game at the time, the model for Timmy looks so ship.

(01:26):
I kind of like it Honestly,I don't like how Walleye he looks.
I like his giant overbid it is. I don't like how Walleye he
looks because it is kind of likethe same look as they were, like
the reversible inside out Timmy plush thatwas like a polygonal version of it.
You know, No, don't blameit on the polygons, because you could
make something polygonal and still look accurateto the character design. Yeah, like

(01:46):
SpongeBob. Look at the small Danny'seyes are too. Yeah, but look,
they're all interacting, they all knoweach other, they're all friends.
I was telling I was telling Ronicathe other day where she always thinks it's
so Liam that I like these games, But I was describing it to her
because were playing through Kingdom Hearts recently, and I was like, Ronica,
this is like my Kingdom Heart.Okay, yeah, okay. So one

(02:07):
of the first times I ever visitedMark in Ireland, he was like,
we should play video let's play it. No, we played the prequel of
this game, dog Ship. It'shorrible. Mark's like, yeah, this

(02:27):
one's a lot better. Put thisone on. This one's way better.
When Mark was like Veronica, thisis my Kingdom Hearts. Immediately I was
like, okay, I need tostop making fun for this. Yeah.
I was like, okay, Iunderstand. Yeah, this is basically the
same as King of Hearts, notthe same. It's like, oh my
god, it kind of is likenow that you've played it, now that

(02:50):
I'm like played this, Yeah,I don't remember anything about this game other
than I know that I hated thisone more than the first one. This
one's way more simple. But Ido like it's just decent. You know,
it's a decent like kids game.The music is so quiet. Why
why is Danny get the one wherehe's laughing and SpongeBob just getting stock art
that's both stock art that is notstock art? Danny Mark I was thinking

(03:13):
recently, like it really takes meout of the show how much he sounds
like a forty year old bean.But I kind of like it though,
So fine, dude, he's Ihad such a crush on Danny Phantom.
I think the reason why I likeDanny Phantom so much is because I wanted
to be Sam so bad. Yeah, yes, I wanted Danny to have
a crush on me. Yoda kidin this game. Yeah, and you

(03:40):
look there he is in the backgrounds. That's why bo that's why he sucks.
Is the Yoda kid, I meanfrom twenty eighteen. What are you
talking about, Bob Booe? Itwas our original meaning we brought back from
American Dad is our meeting. Yeah, we basically coined the turn where we

(04:05):
say baba from a shitty edit.I remember, but Hartman played this game
on his YouTube channel. That onlydid the whole time was just go like
yep, I made Danny Phantom.I wanted there to be Danny Fantom video
games. So this game is good. That's Phantom video game. See.
I recently discovered there's one on thegame Boy Advance. Okay, but that's

(04:28):
like yeah everything. LT Gray gota game. LT Gray got a p
S two game. I do knowthat. Really, Yeah you play it?
No, I never played. Iwanted it. Really. I loved
Lt. Gray. Yeah. Ilike seeing all these characters interact. I
like that they know each other.I was telling you recently, well,
see I didn't know what any ofthis was as a kid, but now
I know that's the that's the truckfrom Danny Phantom. I was telling telling

(04:50):
you the other day it's weird.High In the two thousands, they really
wanted to protress SpongeBob was like acool action hero, you know, but
but no IDAs likes Rob's completely beenlike normalized into being like, oh he's
cute. He's like he's like anold, quirky like kid, little Mickey
Mouse. But I liked that inthese games he was like ready for action.
He also wanted to kick people shitin you know. See, I

(05:12):
always like remembered growing up well seeingthis like Battle for Bikini Bottom in the
SpongeBob movie, like art cover,like the game covers, because we were
talking about that yesterday you brought youbrought up how I was like, yeah,
see, look, they tried tomake him an action star, and
like I always I always knew that, like looking at it, I was
like, this looks really fucking lid, Like you're trying to make it cool,
but you never like process but Inever processed that. That was like

(05:34):
their gimmick, and that was kindof like the path that SpongeBob took in
like the like the late two thousandsand early twenty tens. You look,
see this is the one of thebosses from the first Nicktoons unit. Okay,
but coming back to it, itblew my mind. Did they come
back and they're like, oh,look, it's this thing from the game,

(05:54):
and I was like, what thefuck? Blew your mind? That
there is continuity they can like interactwith each other and like her kind stuff.
But this isn't it weird? Thiskind of like gam this kind of
like crossover stuff just doesn't exist anymore. Like what could you do with Kurt
Nickelodeon talking about nicktoons all, butthat was like the first in so long.
But this that's like this is likean actual adventure game like they have

(06:15):
like online internet based games. Yeah, but I'm talking about like this,
you know, like a platform orlike a fun like cool thing where they're
all knowing each other taking off evilI get When have they done this for
any other like serieses? I don'tknow, Like I feel like this was
kind of unique, you know,for what it was, even though they're
not good games, Like, let'sbe real, But definitely I wouldn't say
it's unique. I a would saythat this was already a trope by the

(06:39):
time this game came out. Whatcrossover like cartoons? Yeah, I mean
yeah, like you had like CartoonNetwork, the Smash Brothers clone they did
and stuff like that. But thereis also like I don't know, I
think about I think about like theonline games like on cartoonal Work. Oh
yeah, I definitely like, yeah, flashed out. I guess I meant
kind of like relatively like like consolebased, Yeah, mid tier budgeted staff.

(07:01):
That's like, honestly, I'm soput on the spot trying to think
about it. I couldn't. Icould not recall a single one example idea
is like what could you even likeNickelodeon just just so far removed from what
it was that why could you evendo not Sponge rob On, Lincoln Liede
and like who else the Cassa Grandeis yeah, BB Sharks, Spongecrob,
Lincoln lied and Pebe Shark. Okay, we've talked about this before because we

(07:24):
live in Burbank, so we livedpretty close to the Nickelodeon building, and
every time we've driven past it becauseit's on like a main road, anytime
we've driven past it, we're alwayskind of like making fun of the fact
that they have the Costa Grandees andLoudhouse on which they recently toured on.
Yeah, they recently took down thosefucking banners for it, right. But
the funniest thing about it was everytime we drove past, Mark's like,

(07:44):
I don't know why they fucking havethe loud house. No, the Costa
Grandees, He's like, that hasn'taired in like a fucking long ass time.
Do you remember? Do you rememberwhen I did this part and I
kept fucking getting hit and you wererunning ahead? Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, maybe two player wasn't good. It wouldn't have been a good idea.
Yeah. No, we were gonnaplay this originally. Get Mark.
Why'd you wait till it goes slower? Oh my god, you're supposed to

(08:07):
go slower. Why would I gowhen it's faster? Oh? You tell
me, Mark, Look, it'sgonna I Possibly a lot of these early
PS two games get me thinking abouthow much I had my dad like help
me with this kind of stuff andhow much he had to watch it.
And I'm like, but then Iremember this one time when I got Toy
Story three, the video game forthe Wei, and he was looking at
it with my uncle and being like, Wow, it's really like you're seeing

(08:28):
how great games looking on that gamedid have like amazing Story three. I
remember when the movie Toy Story three, the game looks great. I was
gonna say the movie itself. Iwas like, this is fucking incredible.
So I always wonder like because obviously, like he's not a gamer or you
know, so he doesn't wait,your dad's no, it's a gaming with
no, so he's not gonna playa game look called the fucking shit.

(08:48):
But I'm like, would he whenhe was playing this with me? Was
he just like, oh my god, this is fucking mindless? Was like
whatever, you know, Maybe hewas just like, oh, this is
kind of cool to see like thislike TV show my son would watch all
the time translated into a game.I don't know, see have I ever
told you? I probably have?I think I mentioned it my Danny video
This Coming Night were whenever I gotthis game first. And you can't play

(09:09):
as Jimmy Neutron in this one.He's like a background character. And so
when I went to the store andmy dad got me Nicktoons U night,
probably it was like really cheap orwhatever. It's about like five years old.
He was. You were sitting inlike the closed store. He like
looked at the box art and hewas like look Mark, he plays Jim
Neutron in this one. And Iwas like, I know, I can
see that, and I remember evenI was like six years old, and

(09:33):
even as I said it, Iwas like, oh, I was mean,
but I can't stay. I wasmean. You know you liked Simon
really over over. This game's allgimmick is that all the worlds are like
fused together, or all the worldsare like falling onto like a desert island.

(09:54):
That's really stupid. Looks like,yeah, it's really stupid. Yeah,
that's really stupid. What else canthey do something cooler? Why couldn't
have been that they had a biggerthreat that's like destroying their worlds? Like
King of Hearts, there's a biggerthreat. What the magu No, the
mongoo, No, the magou,the magoo. He's a big purple kingdom.

(10:16):
Heart's heartless? He really he kindof looks like that. Show me.
This looks like a heartless He lookslike Gantu mixed with thar wos.
Guys, guess what we have morepo box stuff. We went recently and
we find a bunch of shit.Yeah, guys, so here's the mail
and never fails. It makes mewant to wag my town when it comes,

(10:37):
I want to wham. I'll byNo, Sonny, you have a
look a spongebl title poem. That'slike Sonny. That's like Sonny if you
dipped his balls and bleed. That'sright. Yeah, we got our first
four and this is our first internationalletter, a first letter from overseas.
Congratulations. This is from Nathan.I won't say your last name due to
the rest of respective for you,so I don't you're down? You talks

(11:00):
you so Nathan. This is fromNathan whoa Mark? Look at this well?
A cool little postcard in my avataron it. That's so cool cool.
And then there's a note, Hi, Mark, I'm writing to you
using the podcast po box as Idon't think you have your own correct me
if I'm wrong. I've been abig fan of your channel for years as
someone who loves animation. I lovewatching your videos and hearing your opinions on

(11:24):
the show slash movies that you're covering. Could you sign this photo for me?
Please? Could you make it outto Nathan? Please? Thank ees?
Nathan, Sure, thanks for thewe'll see this sign it, we'll
mail it out. I always likedPatrick's running animation in this game. I
like to I bind to you,Ayska. Know what I hate though is

(11:46):
feast. Look at his mith.This is the problem is his mouth would
look fine if his eyes weren't halfopen and he was looking angry. You
know, I think that is Ithink they reused his model from Nick Tens
Night, where he's like in thegame for five minutes. You know,
so so I really hate his fuckingicon. That's just him from the Valentine's
Day episode that is redraw it fromDark Night or Dark Knight, No dark

(12:09):
right, dark right ight. Thisis called action for you to play the
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(12:30):
Guys. Why is he getting takendo? Thanks? Guys? He
looks so bad. It looks likehe got his wisdom t taken out.
Whoa this one? One of themlooks like a polaroid and the Wayne so

(12:56):
cool. I have to show Ihave to show my friend this. Eric
Cartman one, dear Mark Veronica andWench Hi, I'm silly social from the
comments you guys read out on thethe Megan Fineffe movie episode. You know
the guy who had the brother whoreally really really likes Megan. Anyways,
I'm just send you guys some art. I made a Freddy Freddy cartman and

(13:18):
Wench. He and my girlfriend arehuge fans of the show, and we
both really excited to see what youguys think of the gift. We really
hope you enjoy the letter, andwe hope you guys continue to make more
episodes of our favorite podcast, LastThing, Please make another episode featuring Sonny.
It's the best episode of the entirepodcast, and we need a squeak
well and baba boo. Every timeSonny comes in time, we're like,

(13:39):
we got to record a podcast.He's in time for like a month,
and then we just we never gether onto it because every time we try
to go record a podcast, somebodyhits us up being like, hey,
do you guys want to hang andwe're like, oh, well, we'll
do it tomorrow. He leaves.Yeah. Also, it says, ps,
I wish I were joking, Butthe same brother who made me watch
Megan made me watch Madame Webb.I might kill myself. Did he like

(14:00):
it? Though? It is truesilly social? Did he like it?
And did you like it? Yeah? That is the question, that's the
most important question. Thanks for theart. Yeah, thank you so much.
This is so this guy is goingon a corkboard. Yeah, it's
going. It's gotta go on theguy. It's like cirkboard is getting filled
up so quickly. Yeah. Asa kid, I always thought this game
was so much bigger, but itlike it really is just the same three
franchises, just with more characters.Look, Sam has this random ability that's

(14:22):
only in like this level of thegear. What the fuck? Why are
her eyes and her lipstick blue?Why are they not purple? She just
gets this like invincibility move look alittle inch. Okay. It is pretty
cool that you get to play withSam in this game, and it also
is really cool that Sam and Tuckerare like involved with Danny. It's not
just Danny isolated. I feel likeI was so starved of like good games
as a kid that I would justpick apart like the most minor det heels

(14:45):
and be like I like that.I would like I guess that's true.
Considering you played Wrath of Quartze.Yeah. See I always as a kid,
I always like playing his punge propbecause whenever you do his grind pine
move, he would reverse like anddo that. You know, it's pretty
cool, So I do it likethis is a kid, and I'd be
like, no, I want tosee his feast, So I always purposely
to grind bind like well fiercing backgroundagain, no, no, no more.

(15:05):
Look see it's Lad's castle in thebackground. That's cool. Nicktings Unit
is kind of like everything world isseparate and this one's like in a completely
different setting. But Attack of theToy Box was like, Oh, they're
using Krabby Patties, ghost powers andferry magic and Professor Klamen is combining them
to like I'm making evil like robotversions of all the nicktoons to like do

(15:28):
whatever. You know, it's thatis pretty cool. It's like trying to
interact that comes off like a morehomogeneous like idea than this than this.
I agree, I agree. Iattack you the toy bots in some ways
I think is better than this one. Oh, I was gonna say it
wasn't Attack of Toots considered words.I love attacking the toy attacking the toy
bots is hard. It's like it'slike a hardened like for a kid.

(15:50):
It's like this one where dying hasno consequence. But whenever you are the
platforming challenges that they have you onis like do this, you die immediately?
You know WHOA. I hate thathe has black eyeliner. Yeah,
but I do think it's it's animatedpretty fine. Yeah, it is animated.
I was that was gonna be mynext. Also his teeth close together,

(16:11):
Yeah, but whatever, Like Iget it. This mustn't have been
easy. Head is too fat?Yeah loose? Okay, what what did?
What? What are we looking upagain? With tron globs of globs
of doom? Which I think isa really shitty way. Is that in
reference to the Invader Zim? No? No, no, that's the villain

(16:34):
of the game is like a bigorange clod. What I told you?
What the what the fuck is this? He looks like James Charles. Oh
my god, this is like CocoMelon Jimmy Neutron. They also have that
Cheame has Zim and dib in itand no wonder that's I I asked you

(16:55):
if they had it, but thenisn't in reference to Ziom? The name
is definitely in reference. No,the villain is a big glob of orange,
blob of doom, dude, blobof dooms. Oh, that's right,
that is the meme funny invader Zimmelook see look speaking of it's zim
Specif. Even though he's not inthis scheme, he's in the first one.

(17:17):
Look at still Timmy too. Andat a certain point I was so
sick and tired of play. Ohmy, I like this. I think
it's maybe I'm nostalgic for it.My god. No, I like Timmy's
eyebris You're dancing with your staggy tits. I love seeing SpongeBob and talk about

(17:37):
Timmy Turner, you know, andpassing you know. They bring Tack in
in the third gam who sucks.But they have all the characters like text
like who are these guys? AndSpongerub and Patrick are like, oh that's
Jimmy Neutron like like they'll roanland.Patrick will say you have a giant fucking
hat or something like that. It'slike, oh, they know each other,
you know, It's charming. Isso fucking cool, That's what I'm
saying. It's you are so right. This is like keno Hart. But's

(18:00):
thee I didn't grow up with Disneystuff, so it's not that like impactful
for me. But this is sayingDanny Phantom and spongebrob SquarePants team map for
an adventure, Jane. Did youprimarily watch Disney movies or did you primarily
watch Nickelodeon movies. I'm sorry youmight have to speak into the mic.
Primarily I watched Disney movies. Okay, So when you saw you know you've

(18:23):
never played Keen of Hearts either,Like, if you saw this as a
kid, would this and and theyall know each other and their friends?
Would you think this ship is prettycool? No? I wouldn't either cool.
That looks so fucking bad. Butlook they're referencing Jimi neutron and stuff.

(18:49):
Look at him, it's a JumieNeutron communicator. He looks worse than
this than he does in the firstone. Look at him. Did you
think that looks good? I thinkit looks good. I think it looks
charming. Oh my god, Mark, you know what really pissed me off

(19:12):
about this game? Though it onlyplays Timmy in one level, it's only
SpongeBob and Danny in every single level. Just because it's so short, and
the piecing always wants SpongeBob and Dannytogether. What's the what's the like full
run time of this game? Likean hour and a half, Like there's
the half web point. I'm prettysure this is not that happen. What

(19:33):
then have you done so far?I've see if Squidward, I see if
Tucker, Sam Patrick, Timmy Turner. I guess I watched you save Tucker
and Salmon and Woodward. Yeah hedies, Look that's how, No,
he comes back, that's help theblue things. Look at bricks one of
your fingers. What the things were? Don't say that again. I'm not

(19:56):
having this conversation that the second time, I thought there were three cannon coconut
cannons. Yeah, he broke one. I just said that. I just
said that. See he's already done. That's pretty good. That would take
me hours as a kid. Doesthat make you feel because I have like
a retard in hindsight? Yeah?Potentially partially. Okay, I will say

(20:21):
the one good character trait of theselittle crab things is they have like a
little muppet mouth and they really lovethat. Yeah, I really liked that
about them. But see, theyall know each other. They're all helping
each other. Dude, I wantthe Jimmy Timmy Power Hour crossover video game.
As a kid, I was alwayslike the Nick Teams Brawl could have
done that. I always wanted asa kid because they had the Jimmy Timmy

(20:45):
Power Hours. I was like,when's the Danny Phantom SpongeBob Power Hour,
Like really really wanted Danny Fantom andSpongebobby friends, even though that would just
not fucking work. They're friends inthis game. That would not fuck It
still doesn't really work in this game. It does the charming together. They
talk to each other say they saya couple of things like, Bob,
don't stub your toe, Danny,you're not even we have the game muted.

(21:11):
We do not have the game muted. It's very low. Put a
floating floating one and Timmy gets noone. Timmy saves no one and he's
in one level. It's bullshit.And Jimmy Neutron gets talked to once a
couple of times. But yeah,it's like it's bullshit. Yeah that is
really Yeah. It made me solike so mad as a kid. But
I also would be really mad becauseteam was really cool to play. Say,

(21:33):
Jimmy had like that pretty cool,like whoa, But also I love
his jump side effect. I likethat you have to mark pick go back,
pick up that rock, put itover to the right side. No,
no, this game is not thatadvanced. Do it just do it?
Yeah? Oh yeah, yeah,maybe I should be Danny. I

(21:59):
love I so sure it was God. I feel like a lot of people
I knew had like these Nicktoons crossover games, like my sister's friends she
had Nicktoons Unit, And as akid, it was like, wait,
other people can have the same gamesas me. And I was like,
did you get past the first level? And she was like of course,

(22:19):
And I was like, can youplease help me beat the first level?
I didn't know you had to uselike the characters power ups. And she
came to our high so it wasthe only time she ever came to our
highs. She was one of thosefriends who lived near my grandmother and so
it's like we don't see her then. Yeah, but I remember being like,
uh, she came up and she'splaying with my older sister, and
I was like, can you pleaselet me beat this? And I played

(22:40):
through like the hour long level toget to the very end where I always
got stuck and I just paused itand I ran outside. I was like,
please, please, please can helpme. And I was like,
fuck up, you know, likeI'm playing with her, you know,
And then like I just wanted tolike was Tricksy Tang photo and that's just
a drawing of Trixy Tang from thephoto. Yeah, I read from the
game the show, and then Iwas just like she eventually was like,

(23:03):
okay, I'll help you with it. Then her mom kyim and took her
home. I was like, I'llnever never beat Nick Chings night letvel one,
and all I had to do wasjust timmy and use one of his
power ups that I never read thatI had. You know, I do
like their little star particles that followthem that is really cute, and I
do like how they float around.Yeah, I was gonna say that.
I was gonna say that the factthat we were already almost done with this

(23:23):
game does go to show how likequick quick this really like the run time
of this thing it really is,you know, so it does give you
more room to appreciate like the designsand the graphics and like the continuity.
It doesn't have time to get annoying. Yeah, well unlike Nick ching Night,
which gets infuriating immediately, you know. She as a kid. That

(23:45):
worked on me completely. I waslike, why the fuck would I play
anything that isn't like Best Off aTV show or a movie? You know,
Like what am I dumb? That'swhy Crash Rat the Cortex stuck out
to me so much, because itwas the first game that I properly really
liked that wasn't Best On, likeI grew up with, Like, what
about Sonic? I I don't know, it's weird, that's like a My
introduction to Sonic is a complete gapin my mind. I just my earliest

(24:07):
memory. What are you talking about? Sandy arguably looks the best out of
all of these characters. She lookslike Zippy. My earliest memory of Sonic
is sitting on an airplane coming homefrom Spied and turning around to my uncle
and going like, when when weget home, could I borrow your copy
of Sonic Heroes for the PS two? And he goes like you can just
have it? Really, that's myearliest Sonic memory. So clearly I knew

(24:29):
him before then, but I didn'tlike. My earliest Sonic memory was both
of those cousins were significantly older thanus, Like I was like seven and
they were like twenty. They cameover one day, and it was like
the first time we ever had likemy cousins kind of come and spend the
night over because they were so mucholder, you know what I mean,
Like we were a bunch of stupidsnot those kids, and I doubt they
wanted to come and come and hangout with like five year olds, you

(24:52):
know. So when they did comeby, they brought their game gear and
they had Sonic and I never,I never I knew what a game gear
was. I only ever had theSuper Nintendo. So when they had the
game gear and they showed me,I was like, whoa this is Like
was like, yeah, I waslike, whoa, this is like old.
I was like holding up my handsand I was playing Sonic and I'm

(25:12):
like, oh, I really likedthis game because I think I'd seen Sonic
before but didn't really ever play itor understand me looking at Yeah, So
that was like the first time i'dactually like properly introduced myself to Sonic.
And eventually, like my babysitter,she she started collecting video games from my
younger brother, David, because sheshe like she took care of David when

(25:34):
he was like a fucking baby,so she would like try to like surprise
him by going to the swap meetand buying any old games she could possible
to give to him. Interesting.I wish I had someone like that in
my life. She was that.She was that for David. That's why
David got very into video games,because Nina, our babysitter, would come
and buy shit at the swap meetfor like five bucks, ten bucks and

(25:55):
then give it to him, youknow. Interesting, And you don't like
that animation, like it's the goofyguberlet. Okay, let's see this is
like is this like a jumping game? Like like the Fortnite running? Like
basically Ran forgot about bb Ran youknow what. I'm talking about us all
the time. Look whoa. Yeah. My family were not like into games,

(26:21):
so there would be stuff like Iwent to my my granny Sauce and
I looked in the attic once asa kid, and I saw a box
in box perfect condition Mega Drive.What because my granddad had it and I
don't know what though, And hehad a copy of Mickey Castle of Illusion
and I was like, what thefuck is this game sucks? Yeah,

(26:45):
I was like what I was?I was like, what is this?
And so I tried plugging it in, but I realized the box looked way
different whenever I looked it up now, and it's because he had like a
Japanese one what But I didn't knowthat at the time, and perfectly in
boxer was like Taiwanese or something likethat. Yeah, you can look it
up and I'll be able to recognizeit. It was like all white with

(27:06):
like it was the Japanese Genesis.Yeah, color scheme. So we tried
plugging it in, and obviously meor like my fucking fifty year old granddad
did not know that, like,oh, plugging a Japanese system into it
an LLCRT in Ireland is not gonnawork, you know. So he was
like, oh, I keep forgetting. He's like, oh, I guess
it's broken. So I was like, oh, okay. My uncle was

(27:26):
like, oh I had a Genesisas a kid. I'll look for it,
you know, but it got stolenwhen he had repairs done on his
high Yeah, he had a bunchof like really rare He had the Master
System Genesis converter and it got stolen. That's when he was getting his like
roof done. Whenever I grew up, obviously and I got really into old
video games, I was like,where the fuck is that old Genesis,

(27:48):
like with the in the box?Where the fuck is it? And so
my granddad was dead by this point, and so I was like looking for
it in the attic. I Iwould go up every week looking for it
and and just hoping, I guesswhenever whenever he was like, oh,
I guess it doesn't work, hethrew it away? No, oh yeah

(28:10):
killed And it makes me really andit did. It was like, oh
my god, why was I sucha damn kid? Why is the five
year olds? Yeah, yeah,that's what. So that's a that's a
long window way of saying that Inever really had any kind of like person
who was into video games as akid. I think my dad had one
of those like, oh, onehundred any schemes in one, but we
don't call them any schemes because wedon't want to get copyright. And you
know, you know when you goto like the like a shopping center and

(28:33):
you see like something, I knowwhat you're talking about, Like the fucking
pat Miss pac Man plugging azy cableswith one hundred and fifty games. That's
where I played. Yeah, that'swhere I played Mario Bros. For the
first time and time. I remember, I really tried convincing my mom to
watch Spider Verse and she was like, whenever the first Spider Verse came,
mind, she was really funny.Mark is I was in Ireland when the

(28:56):
first Spider Verse came. That's interesting. Yeah, she was like, no,
no, that that's like an animatedmovie. That's for kids. I'm
gonna watch Aquaman instead. And thenshe came from Aquaman. It was like,
that was a really good movie.She watched Aquaman because Jason Momoa is
fine. Okay, yeah, Iguess you didn't want to see why she
wanted to see's morales fair? Atthe time, I was that's whenever I

(29:19):
was in my prime, like animationis cinema, you know, and it's
like, no, animation is SpongeBob, dude, that's it. Just do
you want to restart? No,I don't want to restart. You know
what's perfect example of that in ourcloset for the longest time and our real
and our old ties as a kid, we had a p S one and
I never knew it was there becauseno one ever looked in that closet.

(29:41):
It was like really far back.You guys just had a one. Yeah,
and I never knew about it.I would have got it, that's
dad. My I asked like,oh, where just come from? And
my dad was like, when thisp S one? When this Q I
your mom got me it when wewere going on that is so sweet.
But then I but whenever I wasa kid and I heard that, I
was like, that doesn't So I'mlike my mom, you know, like,
yeah, you know what I mean. Where it's like literally, as

(30:04):
I said, that's so sweet,I go, that's really surprising. Yeah,
but yeah, where it's more likeI could never picture my mom'm doing
that. Where it's like that seemslike a different person almost in a way,
I guess. And it's like,well, obviously your mother was a
different person before she'd obviously the PSone was like when she was like a
teenager, like twenty years No,no, it's not twenty when the fucking

(30:29):
one came out. More when thePeace one came out nineteen ninety, nineteen
ninety six, six No, yes, fresh Bandycook came out nineteen ninety six.
Yeah, like what's going on here? Like why am I not?
Why am I not fighting these guysin the background. You know, you're
surprised that your mom would buy thatfor your father, Yes, but that
is something that she admitted that she'dbought for your father. Also, why

(30:51):
is Patrick's pants read? That's justthe lighting. That's not what green.
That's not green pants. Though,it's almost like this is a shitty well
does a little dance? No,but that is that is pretty cool.
I I'm trying to think of likewhat my parents were, what my mother

(31:14):
would get my father as a giftwhen I was younger, and a lot
of it would be Like the onething that sticks out to me the most
is my mom got my dad thisbutton down Tommy Bahama looking shirt that had
like a marlin on it, likeI had like a big giant like short
fish or something. But even then, my only reason for saying this game
isn't bad is just because it's notlike annoying. You know, like there's
a bunch of games, like akid licensed games out there where you play

(31:37):
and you're like, oh, thisis infuriating, but this is just like,
oh, I can turn my mindoff and I can play this.
So I guess that doesn't make thegame good. But I also don't think
this game is bad because it doesn'tlike try to do anything that is clearly
not capable of. It's just likebeing average. Why isn't this guy the
bad guy? Like that guy wouldhave been a better bad guy. She

(32:00):
So I also have you noticed,Sorry, these guys have never been in
any level before. Now they're established. Literally you got to cut see where
the crab guy is. Like,the princess has been kidnapped by this the
plant king who's correpted by the Magouenergy, which doesn't make all that doesn't
make any sense, That's what I'msaying. It looks like, what the
fuck is Danny's phantom saving this bitchfrom ants? But look he's talking to

(32:23):
Patrick. He's saying the princess balaLike, why what are the blue Yeah?
It gives you hell, it givesyou help, dude. This is
better than ants. It's an expressomachine machine. Why is the game?

(32:44):
That's the parts that I need?They needed three items that fell from the
sky, and one of them wasan expresso machine. When have we ever
seen any of these fucking characters drinkcoffee. Danny coffee in the universe when
you're watching it. When that meanswhen did he have coffee? If he
doesn't have coffee in the show,but even know what an expresso machine is?

(33:05):
No, but why is that anitem? Because that's what they need
for the Jimmy Neutron. That's whatthey need for the rip zipper. Dude,
Mark, shut look at her.She looks pissed. He's like hitting
fucking flies or fucking feathers around her. Look at that, Like, where
did this thing come from? Whatany of this? What is any of
this? Mark? This scheme isone of those games that we're playing it

(33:30):
you're like, oh, this wascut in like quarters, you know,
what the fuck or any of thesegoddamn fucking characters. What's interesting is this
scheme. I've never I've never gottenthe items to unlock the Squidward like concept
art, like I like playus,but you there's one piece of concept art

(33:51):
that is like, it's really charming. Honestly, it's a painting, like
a guash painting of Danny's Fongebob,Timmy and Jimmy all like sitting like tinly
on like a desert island, likemaking like smoores like marshmallows, then out
fire episodes of really odd parents.I remember being so fucking hyped for Crash
Nebula. Yeah, the first timeI saw it, I was like,

(34:12):
this is in c and it wasreleased probably not because we we wouldn't get
stuff at the same time, Abig really the hyped that dude. It
was a big fucking deal when itwas released. As a kid, whenever
I watched it, I was alwayskind of like, this isn't Crashed Nebula.
Crash Nebula was like a big buffaction hero here, like in this
literally in like the third episode ofthe show is when they're like this is

(34:34):
a bad episode. Is when they'reit's Timmy Chester and edge Ay and Nebula
outfits. Yeah, it's the firstMark Chang episode. Yeah, And I
was like, why this Crashed Nebulaisn't like a fucking dumb kid like Chester
rip off? You know, isn'the voiced by it? Like Jason Marston
voiced, whoa, this sucks?What the fuck is this character design?

(34:59):
Can you recognize this from any fuckingchild? Oh a microwave in the fucking
art style of Danny's phantom. Whatthe fuck? You didn't do anything different?
Why did it stop? Yes?A good file? Oh? Uh

(35:20):
oh no, yeah, good afile emulation. Oh we might have lost
our progress. Mark. I cutout the Hiroshima thing and Crash. I
was like, I don't know why. Sometimes I'm like, I don't,
I can't. We made a Hiroshimajoke in the Crash Bandicoot episode and I

(35:43):
didn't know if that was offensive ornot, as how is that offensive considering
that was seventy years ago and peoplemake fun of nine to eleven now.
I don't know that's the issue.I don't know, Chris, as Chris
Griffin would say, I don't know. Yeah, really funny clip. I

(36:07):
would. I would watch that onYouTube all the time as a kid.
Chris, where have you been?I don't like it's Tucker. Look all
the birch covered in Birche Schneider's init like a little winches up there?
Why did they have the Dann Schneiderepisode? Was Sonny and Khalil already here?

(36:35):
One word? Remember? I rememberseeing one that Nick would err a
lot because they would barely air JimmyTrump, but they would air this a
lot. Where it was like alittle clip of Jimmy wanting a cookie from
his mom who'd picked the cookie.Yes, and she picks them and he
goes back in time and eats anotherone. Yes, and then his mom
at the end is like, oh, Jimmy, you're so good, have
a cookie, and he's He's likefall so he's like, oh no.
More So you see Sponge Trum's armbreak off, They're not like, well,

(36:58):
I think that's an iline aimation isarm broke off and lay in the
grind that thing. I've been watchingDanny Phantom and I think the shot of
the show is kind of like whatever. You know, it's very slow.
Start of the show is very slowbecause I've I have prior to Mark watching
Danny Phantom. Now I tried showinghim Danny fans didn't know what it is.

(37:20):
As soon as they introduced Lad,I'm like, okay, there's something
like I'm interesting. Flad is agreat enemy and you know what's interesting.
I think you brought it up whereyou're like, oh, Danny phantoms like
the only show where you don't careabout the slice of life. You care
about like the cool ghost stuff.Yeah, you do. I think that's
just because Danny Phantom. It justfeels like a retread of fairly odd parents
and the school stuff to me,where it's like where it's like, oh,

(37:43):
you have the jock, you havethe fucking the bully, you know,
you have the cool like hot girlthat everyone wants to find. I
disagree. I know what you mean, and I think the only reason why
it's held to the same caliber isbecause it's much Hartman. But I feel
like that trope in general is somethingthat's always been common. I want to
get to the ghost or I reallylike Slice of Life and I really like
like school stuff when it's not justlike, oh, we have to do

(38:07):
with the big test today and Ihave to study, you know, like
I don't give a shit. Butalso I like that episode because it actually
does something with it where the messageis like, oh, Danny can use
his ghost powers to do anything hewants, like to bully his bullies,
but should he Like I like thatthat's the message, Like they're taking it
and they're doing something with it.Like it's it's just like the school setting.

(38:27):
It's not just like the trope itselfand the like. But okay,
you know what it is, Thisis the perfect example that I really don't
like where it's like the Danny Phantomepisode where it's like, you have a
really cool plot of yeah, Dannyand Valerie are having like a cool like
oh, they're both being hunted onand skulkers like fucking zoo, but Tucker
at the same time has to takecare of like a flower baby and it's

(38:50):
like I don't care, you know, I just don't give a shit.
But it's just it's so like besick, and it's like such a high
school plot where it's like, oh, you're putting no thought into this.
We're like, yeah, I'm doinglike a high school thing. But it's
very much like in the in theveend of like the high school is there
is like the setting. It's anexcuse to get these characters in like conflict
positions. It's not really for like, oh, we have to do an
episode where the characters are running forschool president, you know, like that's

(39:15):
the stuff I want to really avoid, you know, fucking shitty, stupid,
retarded as fucking ideas of having yourcharacters be a fucking school council president.
Well, that's what I'm saying.Definitely, that's what I'm saying,
is it goes on. I thinkthey definitely start to improve upon. Like
I like the episode where they havethe counselor who like is actually a ghost
and she feeds off like making allthe students feel like badly about themselves,

(39:37):
you know, for like an eternalyouth. Or I like Danny, Like
we were talking about the nerd episodewhere it's Danny learning that he like he
can use his ghost powers to overpowerhis bullies, but should we do that
because it just makes him as badas them? Like I like, I
like using high school settings for kindof reasoning stuff about the characters, and

(39:59):
like the way they interact with theother characters in the world. You know,
I don't like it in the senseof like what generic high school idea
can we do? I guess it'sless about the tropes of the characters and
more about the things they do withthe characters. You know, It's less
about the tropes and it's more abouthow the characters react to the tropes.
Yes, yeah, it's it's allit should be. I think any good

(40:20):
show should be about the characters.That shouldn't be about like the war the
set of the tropes, you know, what I think of this is exactly
what I mean. I think aboutlike whether or not the writer or the
person behind it is pulling from theirexperience, whether or not there's actual thought
put into it. Yeah, whereif this is my thought? If you
if you're of the belief that likelike anything shouldn't have like if you have

(40:40):
a trope that's automatically bad, thenit's like it's pretentious. You know.
That's like such like if if wecan only do stuff that hasn't been done
before, then we're not gonna haveanything. You know, no movie,
no show could ever come up.That's the thing is like time as old
as tail, these tropes, thehigh school trope, the the fucking like
the lovers so, the love Triangletrope, all of these things time as

(41:02):
old as you know tails, allas time. Sorry exactly, but you
know I think that does that well, that trope, Well, the Ted
TV series where they have the Bullytrope and in the second episode they completely
dismantle like a really funny episode.It's a really fun We were like laughing
our heads up and I really reallyenjoyed the Ted series. Let me just
tell you, so, why spongeLoo or SpongeBob is up that he's just

(41:23):
he's just chilling up. Why hejust why SpongeBob just chilling up there looking
at the wall. If you Idon't care if a show has tropes,
I don't give a ship, youknow, I I do care if a
show has tropes, But if they'redone, well that's what I was gonna
say. Yeah, like Gray's Anatomy, it's all about the excuse. It's
exactly like, yeah, it alldepends on like whether or not you were

(41:46):
taking that trope and doing something withit, not even with that character.
Like you can have a generic characterin your show as like a side character.
They gonna be like substanceless and generic. But as long as the way
they interact with the main character thatit isn't like a substance of web that
like kind of changes how they think. Like I always like shows like like
Fairly eyd Parents where it's like acharacter with like Timmy, like he has

(42:08):
a little bit of depth. He'slike a little smart ass, and he's
like not just a dumb kid,which is like in the season ten,
you know, where you can't evendress himself literally he fails the kid,
but he has like a little bitof depth, and the the funny idea
is you're putting this character into aworld that is filled with like stereotypes and
characters that are filled with like onenote like personality traits. You know,

(42:30):
it took me reading the Fairly OddParents pitch Bible to really be like,
to really appreciate like, oh,that was the intent behind this. This
was Butcher's intent, not just likeby Mystic where the the pitch Bible for
Faily Odd Parents was. Timmy isin a world that he is too smart
for. You know. He islike a smart alec, like a wise

(42:52):
cracking kid with like one liners,and he's in a world filled with like
one yeah, like idiot adults andlike one note stereotypes, like he has
this bully who's just a bully,or he has the popular girl who is
just the popular girl. You know, Like I said, I it's mixed
with like But then Timmy says,hey, you weaner happen looks squidterd.

(43:24):
It's It's fun, isn't it.Mark itok till the end of the game
to get there. This is thebest part of the game. This is
the best because they're all teamy Thisis the only part in the whole game
where they're all on screen together andDanny's like Jimmy, Sandy, Sam's doing
this. It was really fun gettingmad It's funny. Yeah, it's fun.

(43:45):
Squid It's like, oh man,He's like, yeah, you Squidard.
It's just fun to thinking about thesevoice actors sitting in the booth having
to like talk about each other's likeand dude, I feel like these characters
are because they're still used in gameslike Nichols Are Brawl. They're still relevant
enough where you could make a newgame where it's just these guys and you
would this so much. Like,Okay, I feel like whatever kid is

(44:09):
going to buy a SpongeBob game intolike twenty twenty four, it's not gonna
Carrey like the Danny phantoms in it. You know, so what because Danny
phantom isn't a thing. It hasn'tbeen a thing for ten years. He
had a graphic novel recently. Hesee he looked at Denny's holding SpongeBob in
his arms. It's fun, isn'tit. But Marvin took to the end

(44:30):
of the game to get But okay, think about that. It took to
the end of the game, butrealistic. It took an hour and a
half, you know, like it'snot that long. It's not like a
ten hour game. It doesn't matter. That's what I'm saying. It took
to the end of the game toget the ship we wanted, That's what
I'm saying. I wish there couldbe a game that was like nothing but
this, where it's all the charactershaving fun together and interacting and like making
a little quips and one liners likewhy why can't we have this? Like

(44:51):
would anyone really care? Like becauseobviously the idea is like, oh,
well, Jamie Neutron Fairly had Parents, Danny Phantom, they've been off the
air for years, but like,who cares make it? I'll buy it,
you know, I'll buy twenty thousandcopies of it? Used to make
more. I guess they're releasing anew Fairly Odd Parent show. You know.
I would rather Timmy than fucking theNew Girl. Yeah, if you
want Fairly Odd Parents, you're notgonna fuck met Timmy, which I hear,

(45:12):
like, why can't we just saidTimmy's the best? It sucked because
Timmy is better than New Black Girls. No, It's like you think about
it, like, oh, FairlyOdd Parents, the iconic part that Nickelodeon
capitalizes on is Cosmoon Wanda. Youknow, but it's like, I like
Timmy, you know, that's thepoint. I like Timmy because he's ill,
shithead. You know. You wantto know you wouldn't feel this fucking
way if Fairly Odd Parents had donea better job of not making Timmy feel

(45:37):
like he's the most important, especiallylittle boy in fucking fairy World inderst thing.
Yeah, because by the end ofthe series, by like season six,
I'd argue it became Cosmo and Wandahad like one personality trait, you
know, Cosmo is dumb at Wanda, yeah, which was never it.
Early on, Cosmo was like youknow what, butch really liked using tropes.

(45:59):
Yeah, that's the yeah. Butin the original, like early on,
it was like, Wanda is fun. You know, she's wacky and
she's crazy. Wanda loves Cosmo,and Wanda makes her fucking love for Cosmo
apparent, and yet she can stillcriticize him for having dim ideas, but
at the end of the day,she always fucking loved him and always like

(46:19):
preferred her method, but still acceptinghis method. Of like wish making.
Yeah, because he was fun.He was the fun one, you know,
that was the idea. But shewas like still silly and like wacky
and fun, but he was thefun one. But that doesn't necessarily mean
that that made Wanda than that.But that's what they made it and what
they eventually made it. Well,look it's in imas. Yeah, no,

(46:40):
sorry, I was thinking about this. Yeah, they make Timmy such
a focal point of the show whereit's like Timmy is, Oh, Timmy's
the chosen one. They have likethe Drake Bell movie where it's like we
have to Timmy Turner rule, whereTimmy Turner can keep his fairies forever,
where it's like I only have thislike thing of like, oh I miss
Timmy when they make all these FairlyOdd Parents reboots, because the series puts
such an importance on Timmy being likewith Cosmo and Wanda, oh my god,

(47:05):
Oh my god, I'm falling,whereas like early on it was kind
of like like Channel Cheeses, itwas accepted like Timmy is just another god
child, or you have like Hasslein the Castle, the Wall of Infamy
where it's like Timmy is Timmy couldbe considered a bad like god kid,
like, look at that. WheneverI stopped there, Now, that's because
the controller disconnected, you know.And whenever I'm like, oh, it's

(47:28):
disconnecting, I'll put it back in, it disconnects for a second, Like
right there, disconnect What what justhappened there? Now the game crashed because
I replugged in the control or glovesof Doom's gimmick is like, oh,
when we get into the volcanic thatokay, that's the gobs Doom as shit,
but I shit story wise and characterwized, But I like the idea

(47:50):
that it's like, oh, they'reall transported back to Volcano Island and it's
like, oh, we have to. We're like inside the hub world is
inside the volcano, and it's like, oh, this little ray Juniutron develops
gives every character a weapon that islike based off them, but they could
only do it for like half thecharacters before they started like running out of
like oh what weapon could we givethis guy? So Plankton gets a hammer,

(48:12):
you know, and it's like,oh Danny, Oh well, Danny
has to do his fists obviously,So Danny just does gets his fists,
get plasma rays. Yeah, andit's just like, well, Squidward Angry
Birds just kind of epic. Ialso fucking need. But you get to
the final boss and it's just thefucking sand It's the sand boss again.
I fucking really do hate the uh, the trope of like the bad guy

(48:37):
being like fools, you fools,you idiots, Like why if I was
a bad guy like you fucking retards, don't you fucking understand you're done,
You're dead. I'm killing you,idiot, the one that this game had.
If I were saying this game hadone bad thing, which it's only
really one. It's just that thisfinal boss sucks because you just are hitting

(48:58):
the fucking like you're doing this music. You know what I was thinking about
because we were talking about earlier,like oh, why did Nickelodeon do stuff
like this anymore? Where it's alsolike what like the Jimmy Timmy Power Hour
where it's like that can't exist there, They couldn't. That wouldn't happen today
where it's like it did. Itwould be like a Cossa Grandees in loud
House, Yeah, where it's likeit's leam. Well, remember when Nickelodeon,
Because I released a video today atthe time we're recording this where it's

(49:21):
like it wasn't Nickelodeon just kind ofcool and they're like the early two thousands
and like the late nineties. Wouldyou argue it was only cool because you
were a kid. It was coolbecause the shows are good, and because
the show's actually try to view withdifferent things that would be engaged in RANI.
The shows tried to be like bigger, you know, like you had
like the Fairly od Parents. Okay, you have fairly had Parents, pretty

(49:43):
Channel Chasers or aper Grotastrophe, butcompared to like season ten Fairly Odd Parents
whore, it's just like, oh, it's the Fairly Odd Parents. Trump
It's the Trump Baby. Yeah,it's a Trump baby, and that's like
really big deal. It's a reallybig deal. Who cares. But it's
not like a big thing with abig villain or it's not action packed.
It's just like it is what itis, so just the fail parents.
Well Attacker Helper, he's in attackingthe toy bots for literally one cut scene

(50:09):
as a joke. He died.Professor Klamer just like kills him in like
one shot, Like it's like ajoke. And he kills like planked into
Look see it's all done. Mark, would you say that you're like Danny
and I'm like Sam and Sody's likeTucker. You're not goth, You're not
vegetarian. You like Taco Bell.Someone please draw Danny, Sam and Tucker

(50:30):
like me Branica and Sonny. Lookat this Tim but it feeds away on
That sucks? Why did we geta better design? Is that what?
Yeah? Paul Baker? This PaulBaker Marsh Yeah, who is who is

(50:51):
Noel North in this scheme? He'she's uncharted? Guy? Oh? What
is this menu? Congratulations? Youfinished the game game? Relode your received
game to replay levels, complete yoursalvage collection, earn all the metal.
Please keep playing, Please clap.Go to that avatar last give the about
Barnyard Water. It's an avatar game. What I didn't know this was a

(51:16):
thing. Fire. I didn't knowthis was exist? What is this world?
Is in your bro? What thefor game Boy Advanced DS and GameCube?
Dude? Why is it said twothousand and six? This game?
Come to what? This is theper video game too? Barnyard the game

(51:39):
where you can pee on people withyour eyes? You have comic mischief and
cartoon violence. Would be a gamethat's TSQ. Remember you don't remember you
never watch Harry Potter. WHOA whatthe fuck? You can ride around on
bikes? That's right, you played. It's like your own unique cay interacting

(52:04):
with everyone. That's pretty cool.You do the dance in front of the
meal Man. That's pretty cool thatThis was around the time where video games
were only considered cool if you couldhave things that were a bit more inclusive
for the characters, like or sorryfor the like people playing customizable characters.

(52:28):
I mean, yeah, I hadthis game. I had this game as
a kid for the p S two. This is a creature from the Krusty
Krab. You played a SpongeBob.You played a SpongeBob Patrick and Plankton.
I'll show you this last night.It's the one where sponge was like the
rat fink. This is one level. Literally, what is this collection?

(52:51):
All grown up? Had? Really? That episode season two old? And
for the first time ever on DVD, it's the brand new release of these
favorite three Danny Phantom, how didyou get back in your eco skillet?
My life was a teenage robot?No, this is so nostalgic. This

(53:13):
is like so like a what asimpler time? Yeah, I would give
the scheme of five out of ten, maybe a sex even it's just basic.
It's fun. It's not it's normal, you know, it's fun about
this. There's SpongeBob, he friends, There's Danny Phantom. He just put
his arm on his arm fell offagain.