July 20, 2024 • 35 mins
Today Mark and Veronica are joined by Sr Pelo to talk about Spooky Month and Storytimes!
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Meeting Halfway is a weekly podcast featuring LSMark and Veronica as they interview creators and artists that have been both life-long and contemporary inspirations for their collective creative worlds.
You can also find weekly episodes on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts!
LS Mark https://www.youtube.com/c/LSMark https://twitter.com/LSMark_
Veronica https://www.twitch.tv/veronicaandjelly https://twitter.com/veronicandjelly
Intro music by: Nick Olmoz
Produced by Screenwave Media https://screenwavemedia.com
#meetinghalfway #srpelo #spookymonth
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What's everyone? Yeah, you saidthat. What's up? Everyone? Welcome
to meeting Halfway starring me Veronica,I mean, and we're here with our
very special guest, Senior Palo.Okay, enough about him, more about
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Wench. Yes please yes when censoredSonny works. I'm sorry, I know
you work. You said that,and then I was like, why do
I need like prepared for like doingan intron I remember, this is like
the first time we've had a guestin like a year. You were the
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first. Yes, Oh my god. It's just because we just we always
forget. We'll reach out to peopleand they'll be like, oh, yeah,
I can do it this day,and then when it comes time to
the day, we're like, whatever, yeah, I'll just kick it.
Even even this, like even thisrecording, I'm kind of I was like
before we were we were trying tofigure out setting up three mics and I
(01:04):
just couldn't be bothered. Ye wassaying to me. She was like,
yeah, let's but we just don'thave to record, and I was like,
if we we can't keep saying wedon't have to record, we're not
going to release any podcast. Okay. To be fair, that's not always
my fault. That's sometimes Wench's fault. Yeah. Sometimes Wench just really isn't
feeling it. Wench. Yeah,I love him. Which one do you
like the most? Fun? Wench? I know, I know this boys
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is giving me like a lot oflove. But Wench give me whitch yes,
with this little piece of love.He knows you're from the Motherland.
It is the It is the dayafter Anime Expo. And would you say,
that's that's your thing? Would yousay anime? No, it's not
my thing. I just spy.I just spiced Los Angeles. I just
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spice California. This spice ANIMEXP Ican't. I don't. I don't know
how people do it, but Mattrespect to it. It was horrible.
It was so busy. You couldthe artist ally, I feel bad for
the artists, like you could notlike if I saw a piece and I
liked it, I could not justlike walk over and have to circle all
the way around because everything was fuckingshoulder to shoulder. You couldn't walk anywhere
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anywhere. It was so bad.And like I remember one of our friends,
she goes by, Sophie Scruggs.She has like she does a lot
of cons right, And she wasexplaining to us the day before we went
to meet up with you at animeexpo that she's like the carbon monoxide,
Like, oh yeah, just fromall of the people, did you see
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any spooky mon stuff? No?No, no, damn you. You're
almost done with your pilot. Yeah, yes, yeah, You're almost done
with your piloting. It's I'm justin a state of like waiting at this
point in time. So I'm justkind of like I'll see, like i
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I'm waning on music, on signdesign and getting a couple of final shots
from like compositors. So it's justkind of like for the past month,
I've just been sitting around like waitingyou and everyone else. Yeah, doing
the music was the the current likehurdle to get over. Veronica was assisting
me with some stuff just because it'skind of like it was one of those
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things where I never knew like whatkind of musical style I wanted to go
for until it was like all theanimation was done and it's like, Okay,
now I have to figure it out. So h I think I we
kind of had to look at alot of different cartoons and see like the
different methods, like I could havewent for Would you say that you've had
similar issues with music? No?No, No. The thing is like
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every time i'm starting like a projectlike that. For example, let's say
you pick a character, right,and you tell the musician in my cases
master sword master master. Yeah,I tell him, all right, I
want a theme for this character.That's say, that's the first thing that
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I need if I don't have music, and then I cannot work. That
is completely fair. So you're theopposite. See yeah, I put like
temp like tricks over it at first, but then whenever it came down,
like in my head, I wasalways like, I want different instruments for
different characters. I want like Iwant the music to reflect like whatever character
is currently like dominating a scene,and I want to like kind of it
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back and forth to it. Butthat was as far as it went.
Like the musical, the instruments,and like the kind of style of music
I wanted was all like I didhave no idea until like fucking a month
ago when I had to sit downand we wait down, we like went
over it, but I think wegot something good going with it. Let
me ask you guys both this becauseboth of you guys are working on cartoons
right now. Okay, yours isframe by frame and yours is rigged.
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What would you say are the hardestthings to work with with both mediums?
O? Mmmm, I think ishard. Like people say it's easy,
that's what I would think. Yeah, yeah, I will. I will
think of that because of course,of course, but the rigging needs to
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be perfect if you want it tolook good, like Mickey Mouse. I
think hell Boss uses a rig kickedor sometime sometimes someone yeah, yeah,
like you need to have a perfectrig for that cartoon. Then't one like
that's it. It takes more time. But that was really interesting because you
had an issue with your rigs thefirst time. The first time because I
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think I give the model sheet tomy rig artist and see, I had
a friend at one point, Idon't care deaf peanut. I was like,
oh, I'm gonna make a tweetlooking for a rigger and they were
like, you can't say that,and I was like what and he's like,
it's not you can't say a rigoryou have to say a rig.
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So now I'm just used to sayingrig person. And so I got my
the artist to the rigs and Iwas looking at them, and I started
animating with it, and I waslooking at them. I was like,
something just doesn't look right. Andthen I realized he didn't like trece My
model sheets. They were kind oflike eyeballing it, like it was a
little things, but they made itlook so odd. Little things like the
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eye. They would take one eyeand then reverse it for the other,
like flip it for the other eyeand stuff like that I wouldn't do.
So it just looks like two eggsthat are like kind of like folding into
each other. Your characters specifically havecircular eyes that both kind of like yes,
like that coincide with each other,which isn't an art style. I
really liked the art toice you do. I really really loved that. But
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imagine if somebody corrected them to belike straight fow like straight up. It
happened to me it did really werethey ringing it or was it just how
much work did they did they dowith that error? I was like it
sketch, Okay, it wasn't toomuch. Yeah, yeah, What would
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you say is the hardest part asfar as am ling a team. What
would you say is like the hardestthing to find I think just finding people
who are like judging who is ableto uh consistently work on something, and
people who are kind of able todo like a bits and pieces here and
there, and then like, youknow, they got to get back to
something else for a couple months,you know. I mean the people that
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like you kind of depend on,but they can't fully give you their time.
Yeah, so they like kind ofcome and go, giving you like
some snippets of work here and there. Yeah, but by the end of
working on it, which is whyI'm ever like, if I wanted to
do more, I think I havea better grasp of like who I would
have who would be able to likejust completely focus their time on it,
which I think I prefer in awage because I like things looking consistent.
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But that's definitely the hardest part Ithink about getting a team. I think
the hardest part is knowing who worksthe best for it. Seemed like a
committic one, yeah, or likea dramatic yes. Not a lot of
people work on the theme you want. That's what's interesting. Yeah, Like
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you would want someone who can doheavy action scenes to only specifically work on
the action scenes, whereas people whoare good with heavy dialogue and expression.
You would rather have them work onthings that you know could help better emote
the character. Yeah, yeah,that is so interesting. So let me
ask you guys this then, what'sthe future. What's the future of have
you revealed the name yet? Yeah? What's the future of catching up in
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Spooky Month? Where where do youwant? Where do you want these things
to be five years from now?The trash? No, I don't know,
to be honest, really, yeah, I just want to finish it.
No no, no, no,no, like no, like I'm
tired. I mean I'm tired,but you want it to be complete?
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Yeah, I want to tell mystory. That's pretty I was gonna ask,
do you have an idea in yourmind about how many like shorts you
would need to like kind of completeour episodes? You would need to complete
that story? Just ten iman episodeode seven I supposed to work right now,
so it's four? Actually need fourepisodes? And that's it? Nice?
(09:07):
Big finale is going to be longer? Can we expect it to be
longer than the movies? They keepgetting longer each year. I wish I
can make a movie. If Ican't, my movie will be cool.
The Spakma movie. That'd be awesome. I have the red carpet here an,
that'd be cooler. Giant banner,Yeah, that would be sexy.
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Then everyone would cosplay. Oh itwould be Halloween, don't youly? Oh
my god, Yes, it's sotrue. That would be perfect. Perfect.
You can make it happen. Wecan make it work. Uncle Kellen
could do it meeting us tonight?Yeah? Oh nice? Yeah? What
about you? Yeah? What aboutyou? I've said this for years.
(09:52):
I'm just waiting to, like tillit's done and see how people like it.
Like I I'm I could fully expectme releasing it and people just be
like I like it, and it'slike, okay, sure, I tried
whatever, I'll work on something else. Would that really impact the passion of
what you'd want to do. No, it definitely wouldn't impact the passion,
but would act the or affect themeans of producing it, because it's like,
(10:13):
I funded this whole thing by myselfover the past couple of years just
for the purpose of I don't wantto be like because I haven't made a
cartoon before this, so it waskind of like, I don't want to
get this funded, get like onehundred grand from people and then not be
able to deliver. So it's kindof like I want to make sure that
I can do something before I takeother people's like money into a kind And
so if it's like I release itand everyone's like this, I would not
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support this financially, then it's like, Okay, then that's fine. Why
wouldn't you want to pitch it?I don't like companies, that's fair.
I hate them because you know youhave an idea and that they might not
like it. Oh, there's goingto be a lot of money. There's
gonna be a lot of money.I don't want it, or just just
stuff that they stop you like,change the change this character's name. Yeah.
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Actually, we already have a Halloweenshow. Could you make it themed
after Christmas? Yeah? Can youmake an episode about summer? How about
no? How a bad no?Would you say that you have much free
time outside of YouTube to kind oflike take a break every night? And
then? Well, right now,I came here because I just wanted to
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meet friends. I didn't have enoughtime because I need to work for something
in for October. Basically, yeah, you finish a short, Well,
we need to finish a short Thepoint is I kind of don't I live
in the computer. You can saythat's your whole domain. Yeah, the
whole section. Like, oh it'ssome tweet, all right, that's my
break. No, I'm a wlcoholic, so I'm trying to get out of
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there to arrest a little bit more. Do you feel that when you go
on vacations or when you go ontrips like this or going somewhere else where
it takes you away from your workthat you're like anxious to get back into
it. Yes, stressed about itreally at the beginning, like the same
day that I came here, Yeah, morning, I'm like, all right,
(12:07):
I gotta grab my files. Ireplaced the one that I've been working
for months. Yeah, I losteverything. No, yeah, I don't
know. I don't know when thisis coming. This is going to come
out week, and I gotta finisheverything next week. It makes a little
bit more sense. You can goback in time. You go back in
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time when you first start spooking month, when you first start catching up.
What's the advice you give for yourself, what's the advice you would tell yourself
to keep in mind? Don't doit? Don't I know you love it,
don't do it. Study study first, please? What would you study?
What would you study? How toproduce a cartoon? Basically? Yeah,
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yeah, thanks to Mark, Iknow that it's pretty common. Oh
yeah, we were talking about itthe other day. I was telling him
how I like, I think I'vetalked about this. We talked about this
with jel Ender. I think fora bit where yeah, I would just
like i'd write a scene, i'dstoryboard it, get it revised, I'd
start animating it, and then assoon as it starts animation, I'm like,
that's not working script at all.Started a start over, dude.
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He did that like three times.Yeah, thankfully. Like it was only
a thing where like we'd start thefirst shot and then it'd be like,
no, never mind, don't chartthe shot yet. I'd want to rewrite.
Rebecca would be like animating scenes first, stuff that Mark did for the
first script, and then Mark's like, actually, I'm changing the whole script,
so we're not using any of this. Yeah, and I think that
the last Like, so it gotto a point where I had like the
beasts of all the beast animatic,and then as I would come to the
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animators, I'd just start doing itscene by scene where I'd be like,
Okay, this is the scene.I'm going to focus on it now,
is there anything I want to changeit all before I start animating it,
And then that's when i'd make allthe final changes. But you know,
it definitely is a thing where,yeah, if I were to go back,
i'd probably maybe not. I feellike it's more of a thing of
learning that you don't have to startthings right away until you're like fully happy
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with it and done with it,you know, like figured it figured out.
Yeah, yeah, because even ittook until, like I want to
say, I had a good likeportion and animated, and then I think
it was like the summer of twentytwenty two when I was like, I
want to rewrite the whole script again. So but it was like so it
was more of a thing of like, everything is staying the sum All these
shots are staying the sem I'm justchanging the dialogue. So whatever is written
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so far, I just need toor whatever's animated so far, I just
need to change the like lists slipsaying slightly. For the scenes where I
do change the dialogue, well that'scool. I changed the entire scene.
Yeah, fuck, And it keepshappening. The last episode of Spookey Monk
when they preest kills the demon,it's just like ah, Like the first
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idea was ah, and the demonjust turns seemed to stone and we needed
to be more dramatic. It wasn'tthat dramatic, Like, yeah, that's
it, is there? Any Hasthere ever been a point where you're just
like, no, fuck it,it's done. I'm leaving it that way,
not touching it. Yeah? Yeah, well yeah, but then a
couple months past and then I'm like, okay, another a couple months past,
(15:03):
sure, redo it. I'm likeaccept, like going through a bunch
of revisions again. I mostly havethat. We YouTube videos. We're at
a certain point, I'm just like, it's done, put it on.
I don't care. Yeah, Iknow that. Have we talked about that
yet? No? Oh, wellfor this project, we can bleep that
up. For this project that Markand I have been working on for two
years, We've had the script doneand we're like, perfect, it's done,
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don't touch it. Then we look, we read again, We're like,
what the fuck. It's always athing where we'll step away for like
we'll step away for like three monthsand then I won't remember a thing about
it. So I'll start like readinglike did I do this? And I
said this, we have to gorewrite it, And then I'll go rewrite
it, and then I'll be lookingthrough it and I'm like, no,
that was fine. There was areason we stopped touching this. So then
we read literally like not even likea month ago, we reread our script
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and I was like and I waslike, no, I reread it.
It's fine, It's good the wayit is. And then like a week
ago, I'm like, we needto fix everything from scene eight on,
like everything, Yeah, oh,I got see that's what I mean that
I thought that was that was notnormal. And my friends and also my
work is will criticize me like,don't don't do it, that's totally norm
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know see. But I guess allthat matters is that once you've changed it,
you're more satisfied with like the additionsthat you did do or like you're
more happy with that. Like theworst thing would be making those changes and
then putting an and then being like, oh, what I had before was
better. You know? Have youexperienced that before? No? No,
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dang. Yeah. When I didthe first script for the cartoon, the
one that I completely like, it'scompletely different from how it started. It
was like a different episode. Iwrote like four scripts and I started animating
one of them and I was like, no, it's horrible, it's really
bad. I gotta scrap it.And then I think, like two months
ago, I find the animatic fileon my computer and I was like,
it's been it's been like three years. I'll watch through it again. And
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I watched through it and I waslike, oh, that was it wasn't
bad. That wasn't bad. Itwasn't bad. But honestly the one you
redid is way better. Yeah.So but it was still a thing where
it's like if I put that liketwo years ago, I don't think I
would have minded that much. Well, I think with that, like that's
fine. Uh. For example,with jokes, what I do is i'd
make them really fast and then let'ssay in two weeks I watched them again.
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If I laugh, then that's perfect. If I don't, Yeah,
that's a really good way of vettingwhat his worth putting in your stuff.
Yeah. Yeah, I was gonnasay, like, any of the jokes
that you've made, or any ofthe progress that you've made as far artistically
on stream. Is that ever anykind of like a test or like how
audiences will react to your kind ofhumor? Oh no, no, no
(17:38):
no. I tried to put likeanything spooky mon I tried to put it
aside off the stream because you're tellingthem the joke. Yeah, I was
gonna say, I see a lotof because obviously in the animation is like
booming right now. I saw alot of these people are making like kickstarters
and stuff, and because of that, they have to they have to constantly
be like giving their audience update,so like this is what your money is
(18:00):
going towards. Are like give usmoney because this is what we're working on.
And then I always find that itresults in a lot of oversharing that
by the time the project is evenlike when it gets done, it's like,
well, I've already seen all ofthis basically, and I'm just seeing
it all spliced together. Yeah.So I've purposely been like like I've shown
like maybe ten clips total, likeour ten like shots total without audio of
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my my thing. I think I'veshared like two clips I think with audio
in the past three years. Idon't know. Do you have patron for
the show. No, No,I have a patron because my friends made
me make I don't want to good. Is it worth it? Yes?
Okay, the point you gotta doit. I wanted to finish it first.
Okay. So here's the thing whatI do. Okay, the point
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point is I try to not showwhat's important on the episode. Yeah,
yeah, that's true. Yeah.I just pick like a random shot that
no one knows the context I havethat makes no sense, and it's like
there, I don't even give ita caption that really describes what's going on.
It's just like a date. Yeah, it's like, this is what's
going on. See, Like that'sit, see you next month. See.
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That's why it's like, I thinkthere's this kind of fear I have
of ever really talking about the projectsI want to work on, because I
won't do it if I talk aboutit, because you get that like dope
talking about it. Yeah. I'msure you guys get that way, bigger,
way bigger. Yeah. Have youever like been so close to being
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Okay, let me just release thisone thing I've been working on for so
long, but you're like, no, I can't fucking do that. Take
a step back, you do Iremember. I remember Psycho Pedals one time
said, you know what, whenI'm working on something, I don't share
it. I think you put thaton Twitter. I don't remember something like
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that. I don't share it becauseI get the dopamine that I want something
that people telling me all right,and I don't work on it and needs
this same thing, like I wantto shore should the picture of the kid
where he's like this and like likehe's gonna not in class. But yeah,
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oh, but that's what everyone feelswhen they're when October comes around,
they're expecting another spooky month. They'reall like him, They're going to be
disappointed. I mean, I havea short. I have a short.
They're not going to be disappointed.I have a short. So that's okay,
Okay, you hear that. Don'tbe disappointed. There's a short.
Yeah, what do you? Baby? Stupid baby baby. So the story
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Time video, Yes, that wasthe first time I think I ever heard
of you was I think the rightopinion who coincidentally is coming He is coming
over in like an hour, drawingof him? Good he was. He
messaged me one day being like,so there's an animation coming on and we're
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all gonna be in it, andI was like, really, what what's
going on. He's like, Iguess it's a white storytime YouTubers and I
was like, oh, but definitely, like months before it came out,
someone maybe maybe it was dead Peanutwho came to me and was like,
this is what's going on? Ohyeah, yeah, yeah? Did he
did? He offer to do hisown voice someone. I remember someone telling
me they wanted to do their ownvoice for that. And then I was
like, Oh, is this gonnabe like a big like like critique thing
(21:22):
on on everyone. They were like, we don't know everyone's freaking head quarters.
And I was like, oh,I guess so sure. And then
it came out and everyone watched itwere They're just like, oh, that
was funny. That was like theheight of it. Right when that got
released, I was at new Grounds. Oh yeah. So I was sitting
(21:44):
on the couch and it was meand Corey and Chris and we were laughing
at it because we thought it wasfucking fantastic, and then we see Aaron
go it's just like bullying. It'slike really mean, right, It was
pretty interesting that you were on youwere on the other side of the internet.
I was on like the like commentaryside of the internet when it came
on everyone and they all loved ittoo. There was three sides of the
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entire video and it was crazy seeingit. I remember working on it on
stream. Everyone was helping me becauseI didn't know. Yeah, I was
like, all right, guys,let's pick the biggest one. We're the
biggest one, Okay, who else? All this one? Basically we started
like having a list of who we'regonna add and how they're gonna look.
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And then I remember at that time, you the right opinion. Basically everyone
was talking about Storytime animation and Iwatched everything like this is just piss this
is ship, Like all the allthe criticism was bad. It was like
I don't I don't even know howto explain. It's like, yeah,
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animated better. And I remember atthat time there were fins telling me,
you animations are better than than Storytimeanimation. And I was making Monkey and
Monkey's kind of the same and that'sit, and I'm like, what the
fuck is this? I remember madelike a tiny animation for Twitter. Yeah
(23:17):
I hated it. So I said, you know what, let's make it
bigger. So yeah, would yousay, like commentary side of things,
seeing them all shitting on the storytime that you were just like, no,
got to combine both of them.Oh, it was more like,
oh, my situation is going on, this's make fun of it. Yeah,
okay, Yeah. I think backon that sometimes I'm like, damn,
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that really was like the most seriousthing in the world at the time,
because I remember I would do stufflike yes, I it was so
like weird because I made my video. I had like a couple hundred subscribers
at the time, so I justmade it think no one would see it.
And then I had like the autoOne's art like commenting on it,
like yelling at me because he's like, oh, it's better than Fortnite videos,
and I'm like my short, andthen that's what I forgot about that.
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Yeah, right then, I'm tryingto think. And then I was
like, I'll make a new oneand I'll kind of like update my thoughts.
And I asked him would you doa voice for it? And he
was like sure, and then hedid the voice for it, and then
the video came out and he wasmessaging me being like, yeah, I
regret doing that voice for that thing. And then I was like what,
yeah, yeah, I guess hewas like, I wish I had looked
(24:26):
over your video before you uploaded it, and it's like, yeah, it
was not as serious as as itwas presented on it. I think that's
why the commentary people kind of tookthe video better than some of the Storytime
people. And I think it's justbecause most commentary people were just kind of
like just kind of like talking aboutit, and we're all like, well,
it's just it's a video, youknow, who cares. It's not
the most serious thing in the world. See the Storytime animation boom of twenty
(24:52):
eighteen, twenty seventeen or whatever.Yeah, reminded me a lot of the
Flash Animation boom of like new Grounds, you know, a different it was
like a different breed. Everybody hadtalked about their trauma or you know,
like their problems. I have anxiety, man, there's my school and stuff,
and it's it's it's okay, it'sfine. But it was so stupid
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because it's kind of like turning itinto something you're marketing off the fact that
you're like an introvert, and whenputting in on the story Time animation,
I didn't know what to do becauseI'm like, I want to make fun
of it, but I cannot makefun of it. Yeah, I talked
to the devil, the devil himself, it's like, well, how about
you make fun of this? Youtalk about it, but you're like,
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I don't know, it's kind ofboring. It is such a touchy subject.
But it's also but it's also notthat serious. Yeah, like that's
the subject matter is. But thethe like thing of like talking about it,
Yeah, talking about the person andtheir content in relation to that one
video, It's like, it shouldn'tbe that serious. I don't want to
move past it. That was thepoint they put it out there, is
(26:02):
to move past it. Yeah.That's kind of something I kind of realized
while doing this podcast is more stuff, because there's obviously times when we're doing
like a podcast where're like, okay, we have to cut that eye,
we have to cut that out.The more we do it, a lot
of should I say that the morethe more the more I do it,
the more I'm just kind of like, oh whatever, who cares, Like
it's just it's just a thought,you know. That's that's that's one thing
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that I appreciate about our podcast atleast we only cut out the really bad
stuff, yeah, or the onesthat we know will cause trouble. Private
you know, private stuff. Buttypically it's like, what's wrong with having
the discussion about it? What's wrongwith talking about that? You know what
I mean? Okay, I knowwhy it's wrong because no one wants to
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talk about it because it's really touchy. For example, with the situation with
with the video, my boyfriend,I ask me sexually, it's okay that
you talk about it. I agreeon that. Personally for me, I
don't like it that it's entertainment.Yeah. I think on the it's kind
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of a thing though on the Internetwhere people see you as like talking about
it, as in like as ifyou're like taking a side on it.
It's not just you like yeah,having like you said, having the discussion
where it's like stuff like earlier whenI was talking about the Audies, like
commenting on the video, and Ifeel like earlier, like a year or
two ago, I wouldn't even likewant to talk about that. People would
perceive that as like you're shitting onthis person you talking about it. It's
like, no, just what happens. Yeah, it's more just like No,
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that's what happened. I'm just talkingabout it. It doesn't mean I
don't think like positively or negatively aboutit. It's just like just you know,
which is why I feel like youshould freely be able to discuss things
anything, so long as there's anunderstanding of what you're talking about. You
know, not the most serious thingin the world. Yeah, just a
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discussion discourse. I mean, yeah, you can talk about people so long
as you're not putting a fucking giantred dot in between their eyes with a
laser, you know, laser assshotgun. You know. Yeah. I
think for for a long time,especially whenever I was doing commentary stuff,
it was always that idea of like, whatever I said by someone that will
be perceived as my opinion of themuntil the end of time, but the
radical opinion of them. Yeah,whereas no, it's just kind of like
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I don't care whatever, it's notthat serious. Okay. So back in
the day, I love the criticsfor the Storytime animations because for me,
I love to be like for peopleto give me a credit because I can
get better with that. But backthen it just was weird. Yeah.
I think it was around when DaftPina said, like a Jayden is lying,
(28:36):
by the way, look at therule thirty four of Christ. But
back then sometimes it was good criticism. Most of it was shiite because it's
not criticism. It's like I knowbetter, I'm big judging. I remember
just I remember the right opinion wastalking about I know, I know,
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I know he studied for like collegea thing, right, I believe,
so yeah, he did go tocollege. When he was talking about the
drama with them, and I'm like, what is this ship one? That
hour one and like one or twohours of video and I'm like, what
is this? It's it's it's sointeresting how strong people feel about how they
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know others, you know what Imean? Yeah, yeah, okay,
okay. At that time, Iremember, I remember that was on everyone
or what they're saying, whether whatthey're doing. When when the once out,
like the the tweet of Aaron hetold me he was the first one
I was eating shrimp. I didn'tcare. He liked it. He doesn't
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like you. And and someone toldme, someone close to what's his name,
James, Yeah, someone told methat, yeah, he doesn't like
you. I'm like, oh,oh, fun way, jeez. And
but that's not even the biggest,like it's not the end of the world.
Yeah, James is actually here.Okay, well okay, well okay,
(30:11):
let me let me let meet himoutside and let me know because you
can join now you have fun.Like I said, you always want to
welcome if you wanted to be offcamera. And yeah, because like right
now, right now, we're talkingabout the thing you're talking about, the
Story Story Debacle of twenty eighteen.Yes, ye yeah, Palo Maid Oh
(30:32):
yes what what whoa nice? Yeah? I was really hurt by that.
It really hurts my feelings quite somuch. Yeah, I think I'm I
think I might send your palo youknow. Oh wait, it's five years,
(30:57):
five years for the and now wehave face to face finally, finally
and off screen that will be afight to the death. What was what
was your first initial reaction to thevideo itself? What video? The Storytime
One? Yeah, the Storytime One. Why I'm saying most most commentary people
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from the time I remember were kindof like just enjoyed it. They were
like this, that was a goodcartoon, like that that was funny because
I think a lot of people goinginto it. Again, one person in
particular, was very like, Idon't know what they're going to say,
like are they going like I thinkthere was an air of like could this
be? Like could this destroy us? You made all of these people scared
(31:41):
just a little joke, seriously,see, And that's why I thought it
was so I thought it was sofucking crazy how much people were getting bent
out of shape of it, becauseI was like, this is all just
a joke. It's just supposed tobe funny. Yeah, you know what's
funny. Like while I was workingon it on the stream, I tried
to make the animation, for example, with Jayden, let's animate it like
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Jayden noticed just out of respect,they didn't some of them didn't like it,
And I'm like, oh, comeon, I thought that's what I
was able to Like you could tellthe video had a lot of appreciation towards
like the artistry of Okay, okay, okay, you were talking about someone
and how important it is that noone at that time, no one talked
(32:30):
about people working behind the story timeanimation, like no one talked about it.
Yeah, And I think it's reallyimportant to talk about it absolutely because
it devalues the crewmates. The crewmatesso that's okay. Sorry, It devalues
the crew and the cast for howmuch work they've put in, just because
(32:53):
they think it's all one person andthey would only like to believe that Jaden
animated all of it by himself,or odds when made all of it all
by himself. Don't you think it'skind of weird? How different how different
it is now? How back inlike twenty eighteen, only one person could
be responsible for animating it, andthat was like a noble thing, right,
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But now people in indie animation like, no, I have a crew,
that's what ever think of? Like, yeah, that's always been the
keyst for years, but only noware we starting to have more like recolation
for the people who actually work,actually worked on these things. Yes,
yeah, it's it's it's it wasthe show. Yeah, it was a
show making it and all this shitthat happened. I guess that was probably
(33:38):
super surprising for you to seeople tosee so many people love you and hate
you and then fight each other,Like it was interesting for me with Aaron
Iron you ever watched this, Istill have your current eron, So with
him, it was heartbreaking. Itwas heartbreaking, Yeah, because I often
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for a long time, and Idon't know what he's like, your head.
People did this to me or someship like that. They bullied me,
they're bullying, Like, oh,people bully me as well, but
I'm not doing like that right tobe better and everyone they're like fuck you,
fuck you stop doing this. I'mlike, oh Jesus White, what's
going on? I never saw abad coming about me, by the way.
(34:22):
Really, yeah, maybe like due, but I didn't. That's fucking
aw. That's probably because it nevercame out from its bubble. Yeah,
that's yeah. Yeah, I thinkit was just because that was like the
height that came out it like rightwhen the story Time drama was starting to
uh starting to like die Dines likereinvigorated everything again. Yeah, kind of
(34:43):
shot it back up into the stratosphere. Yeah. That was also like right
before the Storytime bubble popped. Yeah. I remember going to VidCon that year
and people were like coming up andtalking about Sirpilla's working on a video spills
working on a sto VidCon. Yeah, what the fuck? Like, I
look at myself in the mirror andI just I don't believe it. I'm
(35:05):
like a bomb for everyone of Jesuscrying. They're all running around. Like
I said, it's like SpongeBob whereall the Spongebobs are running around the whole
the whole brain's on fire, youknow, the paper's play. Literally.
Yeah, there was so much likestress about it, but then as soon
as I came wide, everyone waslike, that was good, that was
funny. That was like as faras it went. But uh, I
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guess we could start wrapping up.Wrapping up. That was like an hour.
Yeah. We also didn't record ourintro. We just kind of went
into it.
What's everyone? Yeah, you saidthat. What's up? Everyone? Welcome
to meeting Halfway starring me Veronica,I mean, and we're here with our
very special guest, Senior Palo.Okay, enough about him, more about
(00:22):
Wench. Yes please yes when censoredSonny works. I'm sorry, I know
you work. You said that,and then I was like, why do
I need like prepared for like doingan intron I remember, this is like
the first time we've had a guestin like a year. You were the
(00:44):
first. Yes, Oh my god. It's just because we just we always
forget. We'll reach out to peopleand they'll be like, oh, yeah,
I can do it this day,and then when it comes time to
the day, we're like, whatever, yeah, I'll just kick it.
Even even this, like even thisrecording, I'm kind of I was like
before we were we were trying tofigure out setting up three mics and I
(01:04):
just couldn't be bothered. Ye wassaying to me. She was like,
yeah, let's but we just don'thave to record, and I was like,
if we we can't keep saying wedon't have to record, we're not
going to release any podcast. Okay. To be fair, that's not always
my fault. That's sometimes Wench's fault. Yeah. Sometimes Wench just really isn't
feeling it. Wench. Yeah,I love him. Which one do you
like the most? Fun? Wench? I know, I know this boys
(01:29):
is giving me like a lot oflove. But Wench give me whitch yes,
with this little piece of love.He knows you're from the Motherland.
It is the It is the dayafter Anime Expo. And would you say,
that's that's your thing? Would yousay anime? No, it's not
my thing. I just spy.I just spiced Los Angeles. I just
(01:53):
spice California. This spice ANIMEXP Ican't. I don't. I don't know
how people do it, but Mattrespect to it. It was horrible.
It was so busy. You couldthe artist ally, I feel bad for
the artists, like you could notlike if I saw a piece and I
liked it, I could not justlike walk over and have to circle all
the way around because everything was fuckingshoulder to shoulder. You couldn't walk anywhere
(02:17):
anywhere. It was so bad.And like I remember one of our friends,
she goes by, Sophie Scruggs.She has like she does a lot
of cons right, And she wasexplaining to us the day before we went
to meet up with you at animeexpo that she's like the carbon monoxide,
Like, oh yeah, just fromall of the people, did you see
(02:37):
any spooky mon stuff? No?No, no, damn you. You're
almost done with your pilot. Yeah, yes, yeah, You're almost done
with your piloting. It's I'm justin a state of like waiting at this
point in time. So I'm justkind of like I'll see, like i
(02:59):
I'm waning on music, on signdesign and getting a couple of final shots
from like compositors. So it's justkind of like for the past month,
I've just been sitting around like waitingyou and everyone else. Yeah, doing
the music was the the current likehurdle to get over. Veronica was assisting
me with some stuff just because it'skind of like it was one of those
(03:20):
things where I never knew like whatkind of musical style I wanted to go
for until it was like all theanimation was done and it's like, Okay,
now I have to figure it out. So h I think I we
kind of had to look at alot of different cartoons and see like the
different methods, like I could havewent for Would you say that you've had
similar issues with music? No?No, No. The thing is like
(03:44):
every time i'm starting like a projectlike that. For example, let's say
you pick a character, right,and you tell the musician in my cases
master sword master master. Yeah,I tell him, all right, I
want a theme for this character.That's say, that's the first thing that
(04:05):
I need if I don't have music, and then I cannot work. That
is completely fair. So you're theopposite. See yeah, I put like
temp like tricks over it at first, but then whenever it came down,
like in my head, I wasalways like, I want different instruments for
different characters. I want like Iwant the music to reflect like whatever character
is currently like dominating a scene,and I want to like kind of it
(04:27):
back and forth to it. Butthat was as far as it went.
Like the musical, the instruments,and like the kind of style of music
I wanted was all like I didhave no idea until like fucking a month
ago when I had to sit downand we wait down, we like went
over it, but I think wegot something good going with it. Let
me ask you guys both this becauseboth of you guys are working on cartoons
right now. Okay, yours isframe by frame and yours is rigged.
(04:51):
What would you say are the hardestthings to work with with both mediums?
O? Mmmm, I think ishard. Like people say it's easy,
that's what I would think. Yeah, yeah, I will. I will
think of that because of course,of course, but the rigging needs to
(05:12):
be perfect if you want it tolook good, like Mickey Mouse. I
think hell Boss uses a rig kickedor sometime sometimes someone yeah, yeah,
like you need to have a perfectrig for that cartoon. Then't one like
that's it. It takes more time. But that was really interesting because you
had an issue with your rigs thefirst time. The first time because I
(05:33):
think I give the model sheet tomy rig artist and see, I had
a friend at one point, Idon't care deaf peanut. I was like,
oh, I'm gonna make a tweetlooking for a rigger and they were
like, you can't say that,and I was like what and he's like,
it's not you can't say a rigoryou have to say a rig.
(05:54):
So now I'm just used to sayingrig person. And so I got my
the artist to the rigs and Iwas looking at them, and I started
animating with it, and I waslooking at them. I was like,
something just doesn't look right. Andthen I realized he didn't like trece My
model sheets. They were kind oflike eyeballing it, like it was a
little things, but they made itlook so odd. Little things like the
(06:15):
eye. They would take one eyeand then reverse it for the other,
like flip it for the other eyeand stuff like that I wouldn't do.
So it just looks like two eggsthat are like kind of like folding into
each other. Your characters specifically havecircular eyes that both kind of like yes,
like that coincide with each other,which isn't an art style. I
really liked the art toice you do. I really really loved that. But
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imagine if somebody corrected them to belike straight fow like straight up. It
happened to me it did really werethey ringing it or was it just how
much work did they did they dowith that error? I was like it
sketch, Okay, it wasn't toomuch. Yeah, yeah, What would
(06:57):
you say is the hardest part asfar as am ling a team. What
would you say is like the hardestthing to find I think just finding people
who are like judging who is ableto uh consistently work on something, and
people who are kind of able todo like a bits and pieces here and
there, and then like, youknow, they got to get back to
something else for a couple months,you know. I mean the people that
(07:18):
like you kind of depend on,but they can't fully give you their time.
Yeah, so they like kind ofcome and go, giving you like
some snippets of work here and there. Yeah, but by the end of
working on it, which is whyI'm ever like, if I wanted to
do more, I think I havea better grasp of like who I would
have who would be able to likejust completely focus their time on it,
which I think I prefer in awage because I like things looking consistent.
(07:41):
But that's definitely the hardest part Ithink about getting a team. I think
the hardest part is knowing who worksthe best for it. Seemed like a
committic one, yeah, or likea dramatic yes. Not a lot of
people work on the theme you want. That's what's interesting. Yeah, Like
(08:01):
you would want someone who can doheavy action scenes to only specifically work on
the action scenes, whereas people whoare good with heavy dialogue and expression.
You would rather have them work onthings that you know could help better emote
the character. Yeah, yeah,that is so interesting. So let me
ask you guys this then, what'sthe future. What's the future of have
you revealed the name yet? Yeah? What's the future of catching up in
(08:22):
Spooky Month? Where where do youwant? Where do you want these things
to be five years from now?The trash? No, I don't know,
to be honest, really, yeah, I just want to finish it.
No no, no, no,no, like no, like I'm
tired. I mean I'm tired,but you want it to be complete?
(08:45):
Yeah, I want to tell mystory. That's pretty I was gonna ask,
do you have an idea in yourmind about how many like shorts you
would need to like kind of completeour episodes? You would need to complete
that story? Just ten iman episodeode seven I supposed to work right now,
so it's four? Actually need fourepisodes? And that's it? Nice?
(09:07):
Big finale is going to be longer? Can we expect it to be
longer than the movies? They keepgetting longer each year. I wish I
can make a movie. If Ican't, my movie will be cool.
The Spakma movie. That'd be awesome. I have the red carpet here an,
that'd be cooler. Giant banner,Yeah, that would be sexy.
(09:28):
Then everyone would cosplay. Oh itwould be Halloween, don't youly? Oh
my god, Yes, it's sotrue. That would be perfect. Perfect.
You can make it happen. Wecan make it work. Uncle Kellen
could do it meeting us tonight?Yeah? Oh nice? Yeah? What
about you? Yeah? What aboutyou? I've said this for years.
(09:52):
I'm just waiting to, like tillit's done and see how people like it.
Like I I'm I could fully expectme releasing it and people just be
like I like it, and it'slike, okay, sure, I tried
whatever, I'll work on something else. Would that really impact the passion of
what you'd want to do. No, it definitely wouldn't impact the passion,
but would act the or affect themeans of producing it, because it's like,
(10:13):
I funded this whole thing by myselfover the past couple of years just
for the purpose of I don't wantto be like because I haven't made a
cartoon before this, so it waskind of like, I don't want to
get this funded, get like onehundred grand from people and then not be
able to deliver. So it's kindof like I want to make sure that
I can do something before I takeother people's like money into a kind And
so if it's like I release itand everyone's like this, I would not
(10:35):
support this financially, then it's like, Okay, then that's fine. Why
wouldn't you want to pitch it?I don't like companies, that's fair.
I hate them because you know youhave an idea and that they might not
like it. Oh, there's goingto be a lot of money. There's
gonna be a lot of money.I don't want it, or just just
stuff that they stop you like,change the change this character's name. Yeah.
(11:00):
Actually, we already have a Halloweenshow. Could you make it themed
after Christmas? Yeah? Can youmake an episode about summer? How about
no? How a bad no?Would you say that you have much free
time outside of YouTube to kind oflike take a break every night? And
then? Well, right now,I came here because I just wanted to
(11:22):
meet friends. I didn't have enoughtime because I need to work for something
in for October. Basically, yeah, you finish a short, Well,
we need to finish a short Thepoint is I kind of don't I live
in the computer. You can saythat's your whole domain. Yeah, the
whole section. Like, oh it'ssome tweet, all right, that's my
break. No, I'm a wlcoholic, so I'm trying to get out of
(11:46):
there to arrest a little bit more. Do you feel that when you go
on vacations or when you go ontrips like this or going somewhere else where
it takes you away from your workthat you're like anxious to get back into
it. Yes, stressed about itreally at the beginning, like the same
day that I came here, Yeah, morning, I'm like, all right,
(12:07):
I gotta grab my files. Ireplaced the one that I've been working
for months. Yeah, I losteverything. No, yeah, I don't
know. I don't know when thisis coming. This is going to come
out week, and I gotta finisheverything next week. It makes a little
bit more sense. You can goback in time. You go back in
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time when you first start spooking month, when you first start catching up.
What's the advice you give for yourself, what's the advice you would tell yourself
to keep in mind? Don't doit? Don't I know you love it,
don't do it. Study study first, please? What would you study?
What would you study? How toproduce a cartoon? Basically? Yeah,
(12:52):
yeah, thanks to Mark, Iknow that it's pretty common. Oh
yeah, we were talking about itthe other day. I was telling him
how I like, I think I'vetalked about this. We talked about this
with jel Ender. I think fora bit where yeah, I would just
like i'd write a scene, i'dstoryboard it, get it revised, I'd
start animating it, and then assoon as it starts animation, I'm like,
that's not working script at all.Started a start over, dude.
(13:13):
He did that like three times.Yeah, thankfully. Like it was only
a thing where like we'd start thefirst shot and then it'd be like,
no, never mind, don't chartthe shot yet. I'd want to rewrite.
Rebecca would be like animating scenes first, stuff that Mark did for the
first script, and then Mark's like, actually, I'm changing the whole script,
so we're not using any of this. Yeah, and I think that
the last Like, so it gotto a point where I had like the
beasts of all the beast animatic,and then as I would come to the
(13:35):
animators, I'd just start doing itscene by scene where I'd be like,
Okay, this is the scene.I'm going to focus on it now,
is there anything I want to changeit all before I start animating it,
And then that's when i'd make allthe final changes. But you know,
it definitely is a thing where,yeah, if I were to go back,
i'd probably maybe not. I feellike it's more of a thing of
learning that you don't have to startthings right away until you're like fully happy
(13:58):
with it and done with it,you know, like figured it figured out.
Yeah, yeah, because even ittook until, like I want to
say, I had a good likeportion and animated, and then I think
it was like the summer of twentytwenty two when I was like, I
want to rewrite the whole script again. So but it was like so it
was more of a thing of like, everything is staying the sum All these
shots are staying the sem I'm justchanging the dialogue. So whatever is written
(14:22):
so far, I just need toor whatever's animated so far, I just
need to change the like lists slipsaying slightly. For the scenes where I
do change the dialogue, well that'scool. I changed the entire scene.
Yeah, fuck, And it keepshappening. The last episode of Spookey Monk
when they preest kills the demon,it's just like ah, Like the first
(14:43):
idea was ah, and the demonjust turns seemed to stone and we needed
to be more dramatic. It wasn'tthat dramatic, Like, yeah, that's
it, is there? Any Hasthere ever been a point where you're just
like, no, fuck it,it's done. I'm leaving it that way,
not touching it. Yeah? Yeah, well yeah, but then a
couple months past and then I'm like, okay, another a couple months past,
(15:03):
sure, redo it. I'm likeaccept, like going through a bunch
of revisions again. I mostly havethat. We YouTube videos. We're at
a certain point, I'm just like, it's done, put it on.
I don't care. Yeah, Iknow that. Have we talked about that
yet? No? Oh, wellfor this project, we can bleep that
up. For this project that Markand I have been working on for two
years, We've had the script doneand we're like, perfect, it's done,
(15:24):
don't touch it. Then we look, we read again, We're like,
what the fuck. It's always athing where we'll step away for like
we'll step away for like three monthsand then I won't remember a thing about
it. So I'll start like readinglike did I do this? And I
said this, we have to gorewrite it, And then I'll go rewrite
it, and then I'll be lookingthrough it and I'm like, no,
that was fine. There was areason we stopped touching this. So then
we read literally like not even likea month ago, we reread our script
(15:48):
and I was like and I waslike, no, I reread it.
It's fine, It's good the wayit is. And then like a week
ago, I'm like, we needto fix everything from scene eight on,
like everything, Yeah, oh,I got see that's what I mean that
I thought that was that was notnormal. And my friends and also my
work is will criticize me like,don't don't do it, that's totally norm
(16:11):
know see. But I guess allthat matters is that once you've changed it,
you're more satisfied with like the additionsthat you did do or like you're
more happy with that. Like theworst thing would be making those changes and
then putting an and then being like, oh, what I had before was
better. You know? Have youexperienced that before? No? No,
(16:33):
dang. Yeah. When I didthe first script for the cartoon, the
one that I completely like, it'scompletely different from how it started. It
was like a different episode. Iwrote like four scripts and I started animating
one of them and I was like, no, it's horrible, it's really
bad. I gotta scrap it.And then I think, like two months
ago, I find the animatic fileon my computer and I was like,
it's been it's been like three years. I'll watch through it again. And
(16:53):
I watched through it and I waslike, oh, that was it wasn't
bad. That wasn't bad. Itwasn't bad. But honestly the one you
redid is way better. Yeah.So but it was still a thing where
it's like if I put that liketwo years ago, I don't think I
would have minded that much. Well, I think with that, like that's
fine. Uh. For example,with jokes, what I do is i'd
make them really fast and then let'ssay in two weeks I watched them again.
(17:17):
If I laugh, then that's perfect. If I don't, Yeah,
that's a really good way of vettingwhat his worth putting in your stuff.
Yeah. Yeah, I was gonnasay, like, any of the jokes
that you've made, or any ofthe progress that you've made as far artistically
on stream. Is that ever anykind of like a test or like how
audiences will react to your kind ofhumor? Oh no, no, no
(17:38):
no. I tried to put likeanything spooky mon I tried to put it
aside off the stream because you're tellingthem the joke. Yeah, I was
gonna say, I see a lotof because obviously in the animation is like
booming right now. I saw alot of these people are making like kickstarters
and stuff, and because of that, they have to they have to constantly
be like giving their audience update,so like this is what your money is
(18:00):
going towards. Are like give usmoney because this is what we're working on.
And then I always find that itresults in a lot of oversharing that
by the time the project is evenlike when it gets done, it's like,
well, I've already seen all ofthis basically, and I'm just seeing
it all spliced together. Yeah.So I've purposely been like like I've shown
like maybe ten clips total, likeour ten like shots total without audio of
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my my thing. I think I'veshared like two clips I think with audio
in the past three years. Idon't know. Do you have patron for
the show. No, No,I have a patron because my friends made
me make I don't want to good. Is it worth it? Yes?
Okay, the point you gotta doit. I wanted to finish it first.
Okay. So here's the thing whatI do. Okay, the point
(18:44):
point is I try to not showwhat's important on the episode. Yeah,
yeah, that's true. Yeah.I just pick like a random shot that
no one knows the context I havethat makes no sense, and it's like
there, I don't even give ita caption that really describes what's going on.
It's just like a date. Yeah, it's like, this is what's
going on. See, Like that'sit, see you next month. See.
(19:07):
That's why it's like, I thinkthere's this kind of fear I have
of ever really talking about the projectsI want to work on, because I
won't do it if I talk aboutit, because you get that like dope
talking about it. Yeah. I'msure you guys get that way, bigger,
way bigger. Yeah. Have youever like been so close to being
(19:30):
Okay, let me just release thisone thing I've been working on for so
long, but you're like, no, I can't fucking do that. Take
a step back, you do Iremember. I remember Psycho Pedals one time
said, you know what, whenI'm working on something, I don't share
it. I think you put thaton Twitter. I don't remember something like
(19:51):
that. I don't share it becauseI get the dopamine that I want something
that people telling me all right,and I don't work on it and needs
this same thing, like I wantto shore should the picture of the kid
where he's like this and like likehe's gonna not in class. But yeah,
(20:15):
oh, but that's what everyone feelswhen they're when October comes around,
they're expecting another spooky month. They'reall like him, They're going to be
disappointed. I mean, I havea short. I have a short.
They're not going to be disappointed.I have a short. So that's okay,
Okay, you hear that. Don'tbe disappointed. There's a short.
Yeah, what do you? Baby? Stupid baby baby. So the story
(20:37):
Time video, Yes, that wasthe first time I think I ever heard
of you was I think the rightopinion who coincidentally is coming He is coming
over in like an hour, drawingof him? Good he was. He
messaged me one day being like,so there's an animation coming on and we're
(20:59):
all gonna be in it, andI was like, really, what what's
going on. He's like, Iguess it's a white storytime YouTubers and I
was like, oh, but definitely, like months before it came out,
someone maybe maybe it was dead Peanutwho came to me and was like,
this is what's going on? Ohyeah, yeah, yeah? Did he
did? He offer to do hisown voice someone. I remember someone telling
me they wanted to do their ownvoice for that. And then I was
like, Oh, is this gonnabe like a big like like critique thing
(21:22):
on on everyone. They were like, we don't know everyone's freaking head quarters.
And I was like, oh,I guess so sure. And then
it came out and everyone watched itwere They're just like, oh, that
was funny. That was like theheight of it. Right when that got
released, I was at new Grounds. Oh yeah. So I was sitting
(21:44):
on the couch and it was meand Corey and Chris and we were laughing
at it because we thought it wasfucking fantastic, and then we see Aaron
go it's just like bullying. It'slike really mean, right, It was
pretty interesting that you were on youwere on the other side of the internet.
I was on like the like commentaryside of the internet when it came
on everyone and they all loved ittoo. There was three sides of the
(22:07):
entire video and it was crazy seeingit. I remember working on it on
stream. Everyone was helping me becauseI didn't know. Yeah, I was
like, all right, guys,let's pick the biggest one. We're the
biggest one, Okay, who else? All this one? Basically we started
like having a list of who we'regonna add and how they're gonna look.
(22:33):
And then I remember at that time, you the right opinion. Basically everyone
was talking about Storytime animation and Iwatched everything like this is just piss this
is ship, Like all the allthe criticism was bad. It was like
I don't I don't even know howto explain. It's like, yeah,
(22:56):
animated better. And I remember atthat time there were fins telling me,
you animations are better than than Storytimeanimation. And I was making Monkey and
Monkey's kind of the same and that'sit, and I'm like, what the
fuck is this? I remember madelike a tiny animation for Twitter. Yeah
(23:17):
I hated it. So I said, you know what, let's make it
bigger. So yeah, would yousay, like commentary side of things,
seeing them all shitting on the storytime that you were just like, no,
got to combine both of them.Oh, it was more like,
oh, my situation is going on, this's make fun of it. Yeah,
okay, Yeah. I think backon that sometimes I'm like, damn,
(23:37):
that really was like the most seriousthing in the world at the time,
because I remember I would do stufflike yes, I it was so
like weird because I made my video. I had like a couple hundred subscribers
at the time, so I justmade it think no one would see it.
And then I had like the autoOne's art like commenting on it,
like yelling at me because he's like, oh, it's better than Fortnite videos,
and I'm like my short, andthen that's what I forgot about that.
(24:03):
Yeah, right then, I'm tryingto think. And then I was
like, I'll make a new oneand I'll kind of like update my thoughts.
And I asked him would you doa voice for it? And he
was like sure, and then hedid the voice for it, and then
the video came out and he wasmessaging me being like, yeah, I
regret doing that voice for that thing. And then I was like what,
yeah, yeah, I guess hewas like, I wish I had looked
(24:26):
over your video before you uploaded it, and it's like, yeah, it
was not as serious as as itwas presented on it. I think that's
why the commentary people kind of tookthe video better than some of the Storytime
people. And I think it's justbecause most commentary people were just kind of
like just kind of like talking aboutit, and we're all like, well,
it's just it's a video, youknow, who cares. It's not
the most serious thing in the world. See the Storytime animation boom of twenty
(24:52):
eighteen, twenty seventeen or whatever.Yeah, reminded me a lot of the
Flash Animation boom of like new Grounds, you know, a different it was
like a different breed. Everybody hadtalked about their trauma or you know,
like their problems. I have anxiety, man, there's my school and stuff,
and it's it's it's okay, it'sfine. But it was so stupid
(25:18):
because it's kind of like turning itinto something you're marketing off the fact that
you're like an introvert, and whenputting in on the story Time animation,
I didn't know what to do becauseI'm like, I want to make fun
of it, but I cannot makefun of it. Yeah, I talked
to the devil, the devil himself, it's like, well, how about
you make fun of this? Youtalk about it, but you're like,
(25:41):
I don't know, it's kind ofboring. It is such a touchy subject.
But it's also but it's also notthat serious. Yeah, like that's
the subject matter is. But thethe like thing of like talking about it,
Yeah, talking about the person andtheir content in relation to that one
video, It's like, it shouldn'tbe that serious. I don't want to
move past it. That was thepoint they put it out there, is
(26:02):
to move past it. Yeah.That's kind of something I kind of realized
while doing this podcast is more stuff, because there's obviously times when we're doing
like a podcast where're like, okay, we have to cut that eye,
we have to cut that out.The more we do it, a lot
of should I say that the morethe more the more I do it,
the more I'm just kind of like, oh whatever, who cares, Like
it's just it's just a thought,you know. That's that's that's one thing
(26:22):
that I appreciate about our podcast atleast we only cut out the really bad
stuff, yeah, or the onesthat we know will cause trouble. Private
you know, private stuff. Buttypically it's like, what's wrong with having
the discussion about it? What's wrongwith talking about that? You know what
I mean? Okay, I knowwhy it's wrong because no one wants to
(26:42):
talk about it because it's really touchy. For example, with the situation with
with the video, my boyfriend,I ask me sexually, it's okay that
you talk about it. I agreeon that. Personally for me, I
don't like it that it's entertainment.Yeah. I think on the it's kind
(27:03):
of a thing though on the Internetwhere people see you as like talking about
it, as in like as ifyou're like taking a side on it.
It's not just you like yeah,having like you said, having the discussion
where it's like stuff like earlier whenI was talking about the Audies, like
commenting on the video, and Ifeel like earlier, like a year or
two ago, I wouldn't even likewant to talk about that. People would
perceive that as like you're shitting onthis person you talking about it. It's
like, no, just what happens. Yeah, it's more just like No,
(27:26):
that's what happened. I'm just talkingabout it. It doesn't mean I
don't think like positively or negatively aboutit. It's just like just you know,
which is why I feel like youshould freely be able to discuss things
anything, so long as there's anunderstanding of what you're talking about. You
know, not the most serious thingin the world. Yeah, just a
(27:48):
discussion discourse. I mean, yeah, you can talk about people so long
as you're not putting a fucking giantred dot in between their eyes with a
laser, you know, laser assshotgun. You know. Yeah. I
think for for a long time,especially whenever I was doing commentary stuff,
it was always that idea of like, whatever I said by someone that will
be perceived as my opinion of themuntil the end of time, but the
radical opinion of them. Yeah,whereas no, it's just kind of like
(28:11):
I don't care whatever, it's notthat serious. Okay. So back in
the day, I love the criticsfor the Storytime animations because for me,
I love to be like for peopleto give me a credit because I can
get better with that. But backthen it just was weird. Yeah.
I think it was around when DaftPina said, like a Jayden is lying,
(28:36):
by the way, look at therule thirty four of Christ. But
back then sometimes it was good criticism. Most of it was shiite because it's
not criticism. It's like I knowbetter, I'm big judging. I remember
just I remember the right opinion wastalking about I know, I know,
(28:57):
I know he studied for like collegea thing, right, I believe,
so yeah, he did go tocollege. When he was talking about the
drama with them, and I'm like, what is this ship one? That
hour one and like one or twohours of video and I'm like, what
is this? It's it's it's sointeresting how strong people feel about how they
(29:22):
know others, you know what Imean? Yeah, yeah, okay,
okay. At that time, Iremember, I remember that was on everyone
or what they're saying, whether whatthey're doing. When when the once out,
like the the tweet of Aaron hetold me he was the first one
I was eating shrimp. I didn'tcare. He liked it. He doesn't
(29:51):
like you. And and someone toldme, someone close to what's his name,
James, Yeah, someone told methat, yeah, he doesn't like
you. I'm like, oh,oh, fun way, jeez. And
but that's not even the biggest,like it's not the end of the world.
Yeah, James is actually here.Okay, well okay, well okay,
(30:11):
let me let me let meet himoutside and let me know because you
can join now you have fun.Like I said, you always want to
welcome if you wanted to be offcamera. And yeah, because like right
now, right now, we're talkingabout the thing you're talking about, the
Story Story Debacle of twenty eighteen.Yes, ye yeah, Palo Maid Oh
(30:32):
yes what what whoa nice? Yeah? I was really hurt by that.
It really hurts my feelings quite somuch. Yeah, I think I'm I
think I might send your palo youknow. Oh wait, it's five years,
(30:57):
five years for the and now wehave face to face finally, finally
and off screen that will be afight to the death. What was what
was your first initial reaction to thevideo itself? What video? The Storytime
One? Yeah, the Storytime One. Why I'm saying most most commentary people
(31:18):
from the time I remember were kindof like just enjoyed it. They were
like this, that was a goodcartoon, like that that was funny because
I think a lot of people goinginto it. Again, one person in
particular, was very like, Idon't know what they're going to say,
like are they going like I thinkthere was an air of like could this
be? Like could this destroy us? You made all of these people scared
(31:41):
just a little joke, seriously,see, And that's why I thought it
was so I thought it was sofucking crazy how much people were getting bent
out of shape of it, becauseI was like, this is all just
a joke. It's just supposed tobe funny. Yeah, you know what's
funny. Like while I was workingon it on the stream, I tried
to make the animation, for example, with Jayden, let's animate it like
(32:06):
Jayden noticed just out of respect,they didn't some of them didn't like it,
And I'm like, oh, comeon, I thought that's what I
was able to Like you could tellthe video had a lot of appreciation towards
like the artistry of Okay, okay, okay, you were talking about someone
and how important it is that noone at that time, no one talked
(32:30):
about people working behind the story timeanimation, like no one talked about it.
Yeah, And I think it's reallyimportant to talk about it absolutely because
it devalues the crewmates. The crewmatesso that's okay. Sorry, It devalues
the crew and the cast for howmuch work they've put in, just because
(32:53):
they think it's all one person andthey would only like to believe that Jaden
animated all of it by himself,or odds when made all of it all
by himself. Don't you think it'skind of weird? How different how different
it is now? How back inlike twenty eighteen, only one person could
be responsible for animating it, andthat was like a noble thing, right,
(33:13):
But now people in indie animation like, no, I have a crew,
that's what ever think of? Like, yeah, that's always been the
keyst for years, but only noware we starting to have more like recolation
for the people who actually work,actually worked on these things. Yes,
yeah, it's it's it's it wasthe show. Yeah, it was a
show making it and all this shitthat happened. I guess that was probably
(33:38):
super surprising for you to seeople tosee so many people love you and hate
you and then fight each other,Like it was interesting for me with Aaron
Iron you ever watched this, Istill have your current eron, So with
him, it was heartbreaking. Itwas heartbreaking, Yeah, because I often
(34:00):
for a long time, and Idon't know what he's like, your head.
People did this to me or someship like that. They bullied me,
they're bullying, Like, oh,people bully me as well, but
I'm not doing like that right tobe better and everyone they're like fuck you,
fuck you stop doing this. I'mlike, oh Jesus White, what's
going on? I never saw abad coming about me, by the way.
(34:22):
Really, yeah, maybe like due, but I didn't. That's fucking
aw. That's probably because it nevercame out from its bubble. Yeah,
that's yeah. Yeah, I thinkit was just because that was like the
height that came out it like rightwhen the story Time drama was starting to
uh starting to like die Dines likereinvigorated everything again. Yeah, kind of
(34:43):
shot it back up into the stratosphere. Yeah. That was also like right
before the Storytime bubble popped. Yeah. I remember going to VidCon that year
and people were like coming up andtalking about Sirpilla's working on a video spills
working on a sto VidCon. Yeah, what the fuck? Like, I
look at myself in the mirror andI just I don't believe it. I'm
(35:05):
like a bomb for everyone of Jesuscrying. They're all running around. Like
I said, it's like SpongeBob whereall the Spongebobs are running around the whole
the whole brain's on fire, youknow, the paper's play. Literally.
Yeah, there was so much likestress about it, but then as soon
as I came wide, everyone waslike, that was good, that was
funny. That was like as faras it went. But uh, I
(35:25):
guess we could start wrapping up.Wrapping up. That was like an hour.
Yeah. We also didn't record ourintro. We just kind of went
into it.
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