January 31, 2024 • 46 mins
Mark and Veronica discuss the moralities of AI art using the famed Mista Chedda as a case study, along with other stuff they've been watching such as The Curse and Kenny Vs. Spenny
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Meeting Halfway is a weekly podcast featuring LSMark and Veronica as they interview creators and artists that have been both life-long and contemporary inspirations for their collective creative worlds.
You can also find weekly episodes on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts!
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Intro music by: Nick Olmoz
Produced by Screenwave Media https://screenwavemedia.com
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Guys, look out, how fatthis little winches right here. Okay,
he's fucking full of food and love. But you know what would make him
even fuller love letters from you,guys. Valentine's Day is coming up,
and this little winch would love aValentine's Day card from you. You know
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really tiny. If you want tosend us anything, any letters, here
you go and we'll read the letterson a future episodes out of the podcast,
just like next episode. Yeah,no, possibly the episode after.
We'll check the PO box tomorrow.Actually we could check it today. We
could check the PEO box like later. We effort the episode to come out
first. Oh yeah, what wouldyou do with that little wind floated up
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to the ceiling and you couldn't getdown. I'd make sure I didn't open
any windows. Yeah, you wouldn'tlet him like go outside and try and
see maybe it would stop. No, I wouldn't. No, definitely,
in what world would I do thatright outside? It's nothing like Nathan Fielder
Fielder and the Curse Point. Iwas thoroughly enjoying it for the first like
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half, But but I was onlyenjoying it because I was like, Oh,
there's gonna be a good payoff.Yeah. It was all building up
to something that I I was likecautiously optimistic for where I just assumed that
it was all gonna pay off ina way where everything suddenly made sense,
you know. But it just kindof went in a direction that was like
not what I was expecting. Butalso it's not like I don't like it
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just because it's unexpected or what Iwanted. It's just kind of like,
oh, it's just another one ofthose fucking endings where it's like, oh,
it's vague, it's like or it'smetaphoricalation, but it's not even really
left up to interpretation because there isonly like one way, meaning you can
forget it. Yeah, yeah,okay, I think it's biggest flaws here
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are they introduce certain things into theshow with certain characters, and it goes
nowhere, and it's only just togive you an idea, a further more
defined idea of these characters' personalities.Yeah. I was describing it to the
other day, where it felt likethey were setting up all these dominoes that
you're just like, oh, ofcourse this is all going to collapse them
at some point. It's kind oflike them building up all these plot points
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that you're like, oh, thatis going to like lead to disaster.
I'm so worried about how this isgoing to end up, what the consequences
are for the characters. And thenit does that thing where the final episode
comes around and it's like, oh, yeah, everything we were doing throughout
the show that was like a yearago, we're moved on from that.
Nine. It has the same issuethat The Bear has, where it's a
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build up to what's going to happento this big moment. Right, these
characters like Nathan Fielder and Emistone,they're finally going to get their show aired.
You don't see the show air.It's just already that. Yeah.
Season two is already like happening bythe time. Yeah. But the last
episode yeah yeah, So it's likea time skip. And it's the same
issue with Barry where Barry has thatas well. Right, I didn't mind.
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I did like the last season isjust a big time skip and this
is where everyone is now. Youdon't really get to see the shit unfold
Yeah, it's all implied where it'slike, oh you, it's this issue
with modern shows, or because everythinghas to be so short, it's like
they're rushed through everything. Like imaginethat Britain Bad like the last episode.
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Imagine that was like episode five ofseason five and then that was like the
show over, you know, likeimagine it was like that short. That
would yeah, that would be waytoo much. To be even worse,
it would be like if season ifit's like if Breaking Bad was like ten
episodes long in season one and seasonone or season one had season one through
five all crammed into it. Youknow, I think nothing really feels congruent
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with each other. No, noneof the character like you kind of like,
oh okay, this Emma Stone's reallyselfish and narcissistic and self centered.
She puts down her husband, shethinks he's not worth it. She's more
than willing to like step on him, yes, to get a leg up
for herself. Yeah, and youknow Nathan Fielders just like has no backbone,
He has no dignity, he hasno integrity. He lets this woman
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completely beat down on him, andhe lets other people beat down on him.
Yeah, and you know he's kindof in a way not deserving of
anything because he's just yeah he's yeah, I know you mean, you know
what I mean. Yeah, Andthen you get Dougie too, where he's
also a selfish, narcissistic. Yeah, he's meant to be like the opposite
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of Asher or Nathan Fielder's character,where he is like speaks his mind,
he says whatever, like doesn't careabout things being awkward, or he doesn't
care really about how he comes up, like he will do it also wise,
Yeah, exactly, Yeah, he'sa worm. But yeah, they
set up all this stuff, likelike the stuff with the casino or the
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little girl in the curse or thencursing Asher. Yeah, all this stuff
that feels like it's almost abandoned bythe last episode because like a year has
passed any it's a white heighth,she's pregnant, And I wouldn't even mind
the time skip if it weren't infever of having half the episode be him
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stuck on the roof, because it'slike, I get what you're trying to
say. I don't need half anhour of this. That's the thing.
Is the last episode, like fortyfive minutes of it is Asher being stuck
to the room. Yeah, theyabandoned it like the plot for the logistics
of it. Yeah, for somethingcompletely metaphorical that isn't even that hard,
like the Sopranos ending like that.People have compared it to you, yes,
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or is like no, because there'sa million different scenarios you can think
of. Did he live? Didhe die? Like no, no,
Asher floats off into space and wesee that and we see him diez.
Yeah, it's not a thing aboutwhat happens. It's more of a thing
in the show about what does itmean? And for me, it's like,
I don't give a shit what itmeans. I wanted to watch a
show that had felt like it hada satisfying conclusion, but the conclusion just
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seems to be kind of like whileshe moved on to having a kitch,
doesn't need him anymore, Like thatshe didn't need him anymore, And and
the TV show in the House iswhat split apart, and the pressure between
them, you know, it wasbuilding to the point where he like had
you know, and oh and healso promised her that he would fucking disappear
if she didn't want him anymore,and if he knew that she didn't want
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him anymore. Yeah. I alwaystook it as like the TV show was
really all that was keeping them together, because gimmick of the show is like
a husband and wife like duo repairingthis like old neighborhood. But now that
she's having the kid for season two, like why do I? Oh no,
the dynamic is me and my kid, not me and my husband.
So it's like because the show,the show starts off being called philanthropy,
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philanthropylanthropy, flipanthropy. There we go, and then by the end of it,
you know, Emma Stone's idea wasto change the name to Green Queen,
so it's just mostly about her.Yeah, and everyone is like,
oh, yeah, he's like yourjester, you know, like he is
not No one is seen as likeon equal equal terms as her. Yeah,
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even like the execus A producer HGTV. Yeah. Yeah, And so
the whole show. The best partsof the show to me were high like
awkward and high like real it was, and high like Meathan Fielder like so
well like sells that cringe show wherehe can write that really route, the
interaction between him and the father ofthe little girl, the little girl that
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curses him. Yeah, and justhow weird and uncomfortable it is that he's
offering this man like a house andit's such a like pity gesture, but
he's trying to act like it's likeno sweat off of his back, just
giving him this three hundred thousand dollarshouse. Yeah, and then like you
see him like plan to buy it, and then you see him get guilted
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by not giving this little girl onehundred dollars for a TV show and so
he feels so bad about that houseand lies, yeah, and he lies
about it. So he gives himthe house. He lets him squat in
the house because they had been squattingin that house or like that a vacant
lot before he purchased it. That'show that like plot line, And you
think it's gonna be about that,So you're like, oh, what's gonna
happen, Like is this man goingto take advantage of him? Like but
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he doesn't really, No, hedoesn't. He does, but he doesn't.
It's like it's handed to him.Yeah, it's handed to him,
and he's just kind of like,yeah, I'll take it. And to
me, it's like there's no payofffor any of the stuff. Again like
the casino stuff, Like he iswriting like his former job for like have
it being fixed, you know,like the for not stopping the gamblers who
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are addicted to gambling. Yeah,just for being like like a shitty like
and we see him go back tothe casino. What he's talking about high
like, oh, the lighting installedor specifically designed to like make sure you
don't know what time it is,you know, so you I'm pretty sure
in that show it was something likethat. And then he finally that he
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sees the news story that they doafter rats the mic and Emma Stone sees
in the news feed that it's himdoing like partiking in it, even though
he never like was honest to buydebt with her. But then after that
talk about it briefly, it's likenever touched on again, like the casino
stuff. I mean, he talksto the guy in the store, his
former co worker, and admits tohim that it was him. But then
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that's like where it ends, andit's like that's not a satisfying payoff to
that plot point. And that's thething is the show's way of giving you
that payoff is oh, it wasacknowledged, Yeah, and that's it it's
missing like the big like cringe moment. You know, it's missing the cringe.
That's the thing that's my thing isthat, Yeah, there's the build
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up is so good that it makesthe payoff come up, like come on,
so when does it come? It'sjust like, oh, okay,
we were just uncomfortable and witness thisbecause just because and the fact that it
doesn't end with something real, itends with something metaphorical and kind of like
goofy. Honestly, you're just kindof left going like, well, what
was the point in any of thatthis? This could have started with episode
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like episode ten, that could havebeen the only like episode of the show,
and I would have gotten the exactsame thing out of it. I
feel like you could have started withlike, oh, here's a couple having
a kid. They just had thisshow. It's not doing that well.
Yeah that episode ten is a TikTokthat's a TikTok story. Yeah, oh
part part one and seventeen. Yeah, it's just like the woman has a
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baby and the father flights flies intothe space or the atmosphere. Yeah.
Yeah, it's just like I getit. Like I don't think the show
is like bad or anything. Butthat ending is not satisfying in the slightest,
No, not at all. Whatis bothersome is that because it's left
up two interpretation, right, I'dwatch like a bunch of interviews with Ben
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Safty, Benny Safti and the panel. All of them are always just like,
well, the more you talk aboutit, right, Like, that's
that's kind of what we're going for. We want you guys to talk about
this, you know, we wantto know what you guys. We want
to know what you guys think,because your answer is correct. Whatever you
say and you think happens, that'scorrect. And it's like, that's lazy,
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that's lazy writing. Well yeah,maybe not even lazy, but it's
just a style of writing that Ican't appreciate. It's lazy because they didn't
put thought into trying to conclusively endanything and give it impact. The only
thing that gave this last episode impactwas that it was shockingly goofy. It
was silly, yeah, and Ijust I can't again, I can't appreciate
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it. I can't appreciate a showthat just ends like that because it makes
me not want to ever rewatch it. And that's what everyone was telling us
where it's like, oh, Iloved the ending, but I'll never rewatch
that show. And it's like,what is that a sign of I don't
know, Like it's to me,it's like, oh, this doesn't end
in a satisfying way. Of courseyou would never want to sit there,
you know, why would you wantto watch it again? I guess for
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those cringe moments because there's no payoffand makes me feel like I'm watching the
show and already knowing that there's noconsequence to anything because it just ends with
him floating out. Yeah, it'slike these any of this could have had
and it's all for stuff. That'sjust like him and his wife hard they
were from episode one. You know, their relationship does not really like evolve
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or devolve from episode one. There'skind of like the CMOI through just tensions
are a little bit higher. Soit's like this could have happened, that
him floating away could have happened atany point. All it would have taken
is for them to get like pregnantsooner. You know, Like, Yeah,
it was it was bold and itwas ambitious. It was shot fucking
amazing. Uh, the acting wasfucking amazing. Nathan Fielder has this one
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like rant monologue to Emma Stone that'sjust like, holy fuck, yeah he
is. Yeah, I think Dougiewas the worst character. I think Ben
Saftie is really pompous and annoying asa character and also as a person.
Him on the panels is like,so dude, he's so fucking annoying.
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He's so like up his own ass. It's ridiculous, it's funny, it's
really fucking well done. It is, but the ending sucks ass. Yeah,
and it ruins it. It does. It completely ruins it, and
it makes you go, well,okay, cause a paramount, like where
are they gonna go for season two? Honestly, that is true that it
was a paramount. Plus I literallythink that if I think if season two
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comes out, it's just gonna belike we just I was gonna say what
could you possibly do? And theonly thing you could possibly do is and
I was gonna talk about this.This is a good segue. Is the
topic of rebirth. Now. Alot of people on YouTube who have given
explanations to this ending have all touchedon the idea that Nathan Fielder is actually
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he went up to space and isreborn and he is like the child.
Yeah, and it's about or thislike the symbolism of the metaphor is about
rebirth, and that some like hislife in a way was cursed and there
was no way of like breaking it, you know, and so he dies
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or whatever, and then the childis born. And then that was why
he floats away, was because EmmaStone had no longer needed him because she
had the child. So it's like, right, yeah, which still isn't
satisfying, No, it's not.But I'm gonna say the opposite. I
think if season two comes out,it'll be Neith in his back and it's
like, oh, that didn't happenagain, it was like metaphorical, you
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know, so we'll just pick upfrom wherever, like so they're the real
life thing. Yeah, yeah,that that will be what actually happened.
And that's the simple four it isand floating away. But then at that
point, then what is the thenwhat was the point of season one?
What? What was what was thereasoning? Then? Why? Like for
why I don't think it needs aseason two? I don't know why they're
making one. And this is theannoying thing is I feel like people who
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say that they understand the ending,or they under or they're like, you
know, they think it's amazing.I feel like I'm like, okay,
but what did What am I missinghere? Guys? And we have watched
this show and would like to offeryour input? Yeah, what am I
missing here? Yeah? Because let'sbe okay. I'm a very very critical
person. As you guys know.My rating scale is seven is mediocre.
And this, by the way,I would say, is as like a
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like a seven point five. It'sfine. I wouldn't watch it again.
I feel like a lot of peoplewho really really highly rate this film,
like the series or whatever, theyonly do it because they are need and
Fielder stands, you know. Yeah, It's just like if I already give
it a reading, I would say, Kenny Versus Spinny is better. This
is Kenny versus Spanny. Dude.Okay. So, Mark, like a
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couple of weeks ago started watching KennyVersus Spinny again, And we had watched
it a long time ago, along long time ago when we were first
like friends, and that was somethingthat I always watched growing up because it
was always on Comedy Central. Andwhat was the first one we watched?
Remember, it was one of theones we'd like previously watched like years ago.
I'm pretty sure it's like one ofthe ones we always go yeah,
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but then we find I was like, okay, well what are because there's
like one hundred episodes of that show. Surprisingly, so I was like,
oh, what sixties season? Yeah? Five, so it's like one of
the best episodes. So we startedgoing through those and dude, okay,
if you don't know, Kenny VersusSpinny is a show a Canadian show by
Trey Parker and Matt Stone. Yeah, and they just it's what two guys
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in a rint did highs doing challengeswhen every episode is a challenge, but
they're always just like the most dumbLike it's either the most simple idea for
a challenge like who cannot get aboner? Or who can? Yeah,
who cannot get a boner first?Or who go with dead octopus on the
top of your head? Yeah?And the thing that all was I that
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entertains me most about the show islike, no matter what episode it is,
like, it never goes in thedirection I would expect. Yeah,
no, not one. So likethe episodes I feel like that have the
dumbest premise or that have like thethe most simple ideas are the ones that
I want that wind up going inlike the craziest directions for me. Yeah,
I would say that a lot ofthat is attributed though to Kenny.
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Kenny is the one that derails theshow completely. Yeah, the loser of
this competition has to go into amovie lineup and they give away the ending
even though his fridge is empty.I'm gonna super do the lock. But
I do like also like, yeah, the gimmick is that like King always
wins, but I like that it'snot a thing where like he literally always
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he earns it. No he doesn't, well he actually he does, he
does earn it. I mean likethat the show like Kenny wins like it's
not fixed. It's not fixed orhe will win no matter what. It's
more just like eighty percent of thetime he wins, which makes it more
like rewarding when when Spenny wins,but not really not really though he usually
gets like pity wins. Yeah,I think like very few. He actually
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like tried really hard and he won. There was what was it? It
was the stripper one right, whois a better male stripper? That's right.
Kenny didn't even try it. Alland Spenny actually like got lessons,
like dancing lessons and like got anoutfit, had a whole gimmick, yeah,
like dance in front of these womenand they all picked him even though
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he forfeited because Kenny didn't try that'sright, Yeah, but he still won.
They gave it to him. Yeah, find it interesting just to watch
because it's like, oh, thiscan never be aired on like TV or
anywhere. This could not be uploadedto the like YouTube. People would not
have it. You could not know, you could not watch this like and
nowadays people couldn't make content like thisever, not at all, doing black
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feast and stuff. How inappropriate Kennyis also how like disrespectfully is to women.
Yeah, like he's always grabbing women, always poking their tits, or
like he does the trick where hetells them to kiss him on the cheek
and he turns his head and kisseshim in the mouth and a lot of
them slap usually slap him. Yeah, and it's just, uh, it's
very entertaining to see like something that'sso like two thousands. It is a
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relic. Yeah, your hands down, let's show everybody the beautiful bug.
That's where life begins. It's soweird. You'll see like their cell phones,
or you'll see like their computers whenthey go into like their office,
like with all their secretaries. CheckKenny it all. It's all on YouTube.
Kenny uploaded it all in like twoforty p mark. You kind of
looked like, Spenny, Yeah,you don't have butt cheek cheeks? What
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does that mean, like like biggiant chubby cheeks. Which one's your favorite
so far that we've watched? Theship one was pretty bad. I forgot
about the ship one. It waswho can wear a ship in their pants?
The longest and Spenny like duct tapeddude, Okay, Spenny. Spenny
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tried to catch on to Kenny's liketricks, right. Kenny always goes to
this like one medicine guy and hegot like pills to like make sure that
he would have like it would beyeah, he'd be constipated, right,
So Spenny tried to get the samepills. But what Kenny did was he
bought them at first, switched themout for laxatives, knowing that Spenny would
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buy them, and then gave themback to the store owner to put back
on the shelf for for Spenny.To buy and then take. So he
took a shit town of laxatives andthey're both wearing like man diapers. It's
so oh my god, there's likeshit ring out. There's like a part
where he's like running running to thetoilet with his giant, saggy shit diaper.
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Yeah, it's pretty, it's prettypretty foul. Yeah, you couldn't
make that on TV. Anyone shouldn'tdo that. Uh So, Yeah,
I would recommend checking out that oneif you want a good idea with the
show. Or who can smoke Moreweed? Oh, that's a good one.
Who can smoke the most weed?It's like the one episode where their
friends and listen to some tunes,play some games. I can't believe it.
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You know. That's when we wereclosest, when we were doing drugs
together. Think about it. Theyactually get along. Although I think my
favorite one is who could wear adead octopus the longest? And the octopus
is going to kill you? Takeit off your head. Yeah, there's
three for you guys. You shouldwatch those and get back to us.
Yeah, let us know in thecomments. They're all on they're on YouTube.
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Okay, Mark, we have ourown Kenny Versus spenny thing here on
our podcast, right, but itwas sunny, Okay, you and me
versus Sonny. What competition would wedo? I think that could also be
up to the viewers to decide.Yeah, yeah, guys, if we
ever had Sonny back in the podcast, if we ever what we said no
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weenies allied last time, that's true. That is true. So maybe if
we we are a bit more laxon our rules and we have a one
weenie allied at a time, wecould bring Sonny in. Yeah, it
says no weenies, it's true.Yeah, so we could have a weenie
is alive. Only a weenie isallowed. Yeah, but Sonny might kind
for three wienies. Whole barrel ofweenis nowadays with streaming shows, it's just
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you can't make stuff that episodic anymore. Where it's just like random ship every
episode. I feel like, also, it's just like there's not enough money,
you know what I mean? Idon't think so look at how big
these budgets are. Look at howlike how high quality these like six episodes
series are. You know why thatis? Though? It's because of streaming
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making it so easily accessible to watchmovies, but also because of like places
like Disney Plus who are making theirown original shows, but they like blur
the line between like movie and showwhere the show has just as big a
budget as like one of their movies. And so it's this thing where you
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can't really have a show that it'sjust kind of like shot like a sitcom
anymore, because it's like, whyis so low budget? Wise? Where's
the CG where it's like Spider Manrunning around? You're saying the stakes are
too high? Now? Is thatwhat you're trying to say? I'm saying
the bar Yeah, people's expectations areso high nigh that you couldn't get away.
I mean, I'm sure you could, but people studios always want to
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make it seem like they have thebig thing, you know. So I
don't think it would be possible nowightas to get something like Kenney Versus Spinny,
because nowhere is going to want tolike put the money into it,
not because I don't have it orthat because it costs too much, but
because it's more impressive. Instead ofmaking twenty average looking shows, you make
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one really fucking big, like StarWars Epic. But you know what is
like Kenny Versus Spenny? Now whatit's the perfect example is fish Tank.
Fish Tank is like our modern dayKenny versus Spenny. Do what has been
Hotel is I have like I'm doing. I've heard the name, but it's
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a competition. It's it's live,so it's it's different, but it's a
competition that's ridiculous and foul and crude. And like I guess I've never seen
fish Tank to know. I didn'trealize it was that much of like a
competition. I thought it was moreof like a Big Brother kind of thing.
Big Brother also has. Yeah,I guess that is like I always
forget Big Brother has like a Vinceand like you always think about like the
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Confessionals, about the fucking bumming aroundthe height solid. I got really mad
one time. I told you justbefore where I was sitting in like the
living room watching like TV as akid, like one of my old VA
chass and my mom was like,I want to come in and watch Big
Brother and I was like sure,yes, I can't wait, I say
Ryan in. I was like,what the fuck is this? They were
like this is a big Brother andI was like I thought this was Brother
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Bear. Did you stick around andwatch it? Though? I watched like
half of it and I got bored. I would not watch that kind of
stuff as a kid. See,I never heard a big brother until you
showed me the Monkey Jones video.You never heard a big brother? No,
big brother is like Giant here too. No, I never heard a
big brother. That's so weird tome. I always thought big Brother was
that program where you like hang outwith kids like role models copies. Yeah,
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but no, Yeah, I didn'tknow about it until you showed me
the Monkey Jones thing. I rememberthey referenced Big Brother and Family Guy once
and that made me. That waslike one of the first times was a
kid where I was like, whoa, Like what I what I consume was
not in a bubble. It issomething that other people can see too.
Family Guy made fun of this,so everybody knows what it is now.
It was more of a thing whereI didn't realize the Big Brother was Like,
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I didn't know game shows in theUK had like US equivalents. Oh,
so we're like, well they havethat there too. What the fuck?
Oh, I see what you mean, gotcha? Yeah, but what
about malth manor I never watched that. I only watched like the first two
episodes. It's pretty uncomfortable honestly,but I don't even know if they are
related. Yeah, but you knowwhat we got really into watching recently,
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or like a couple months back,uh, Naked Attraction, which I think
is just a dog shit show thattrac awesome. It is incredibly entertain and
it was so good. It's theultimate like shit TV. It's like it
is, Yeah, it is likebullshit TV, where it's like, this
is what I'm watching, but I'mwatching it. It's so fucking intriguing though,
Like I have learned more about howdifferent the human body looks than ever
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before. Yeah, I know,you mean, I didn't know they made
people like that. But I findit interesting because I saw everyone talking about
it a couple months back and itwas all over like the front piage of
HBO Max, which was interesting tome because I I remember when the show
first aired. It it's a UKshow and it first aired like ten years
ago and it was incredibly controversial.I thought it was canceled immediately because of
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how much like shit it got.But it has like six seasons. Yeah,
because there's so much like more,there's more leeway. I think in
the UK about showing nudity on onscreen, like you guys, it's educational
because they have educational segments in it. Yeah, so they like it's It's
like, it's not censored at all. It's full frontal nudity, dude,
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it's everything and every everyone's naked,and everybody's naked. It just shows it
except the host. Except the host. But it was incredibly con There was
like newspaper articles like everyone like mygranny and all her friends and my mom
and everyone was just like this disgustingshow. And but it's so weird because
no, it's everywhere, like butif But then I think about it more
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and I'm like, if that showcame out to day, everyone would be
all over it. Yeah, theywould. Things are so much more progressive,
not you know, really weird.Guys. We were watching an episode
and they showed everyone and Sonny wasthis when Sonny was in time and they
showed like the bottom half of theguy and we were like, what the
fuck? That looks really familiar andthen Sonny grabbed their moth. I've never
like you know, when your parentslike walk in that meme where they walk
in you like in one free himlike close the tab you know like that,
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like Sonny immediately grabbed their mot turnedoff and I we never watched it,
so I don't know what is goingon there, but I think Sonny
had something he's not telling us.Sonny, what are you not telling us?
Guys in the comments? What doyou think Sonny's not telling us?
This is a very comment oriented episodecomments. Yeah, we want you guys
all to tell us everything about yourselves. Guys just coming like five times comes
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with Cybro. You look at thatyour AI wench donkey Kong that you made
me? Yeah, though, iswhatever? What was that? Microsoft being
first like had their AI thing andI was like, okay, I got
to see what all the fuss isa bite? So I just typed in,
uh little white chewell white donkey Konglike scuba diving and fronic commuted or
(28:07):
wallpaper. Look here it is aiRT is bad, but this is a
funny image. You know what thetopic is, guys missed a cheddar and
how he was unjustly canceled. Honestly, is it unjust? You cannot There
are some people who are like,you cannot make an exception to this,
but I'm like, you can makeexceptions to this as long as it's not
hurting anyone. You know, doyou think mister Chetta is hurting anyone?
(28:32):
No, because it is not rippingoff an artist. It is not like
copying something. It is literally justan AI picture of a mice, But
it is copying something because it istaking from other things. But it's such
a I don't know. Do youlike it so much? You like,
well, come on, No.I think it's because there is like an
argument to be had about, likeit's less. I like the fact that
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I guess mister Chetta is like badand more about yeah, setting the precedent
of like letting one thing slip throughor then it's much easier for the Internet
to treat the AI thing as likeblack and white. Yeah. But then
for something like mister Cheddar, whereit's like, what is making that AI
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photo really replacing? That's my thoughtprocess of it, I guess because mister
Chetta is at the same quality allthe way through. Not one asset of
him sticks out because he looks likea full finished thing, and it's realistics
on the art piece exactly, andso when people try to recreate it,
it's like, no, you're takingtoo realistic, it's too realistic to the
(29:42):
point where it's not. AI justhas some fucking quality about it that makes
everything look so it flows sometimes exceptfor hands. Yeah, if you're unaware,
mister Chetta is an incredibly incredibly funny, hilarious like Image of the year
image of the same guys. Carefulguys, Okay, we're gonna show you,
right, don't get too excited.If any of you don't like AI
(30:02):
R and don't want to see this, look away here it is. That's
hilarious, right, that's really funny. Right, And people started to have
people like loved this image. Itwas everywhere one day. Then one day
someone tweeted being like, I justfind out the mystic Chetta is an AI
(30:23):
image, Like this ruins it forme. N So here's my version.
Yeah, yeah, use this onefrom use my one from NY on my
recreation. And it's like a twoD illustration and like a cartoon style of
a mice. And it's just likethe AI is taking from so much staff
that you are not able to likecapture and in your like illustration of it
that the charming features of mister Chetta, you know what it's like. It's
(30:48):
like when some it's like teals getstrolled, or it's like there is just
something so perfectly like imperfect like thatthat is impossible, like you cannot easily
like recapture his expressions. It's justbecause us the one. There is no
one like the other, and itis so unique and has been like shown
to you over and over and overthat you can just spot the imperfections like
(31:10):
a bad drawing Homer Simpson. Yeah. Or it's where it's like you as
a human, the AI can likebe like this is the way I do
this, but the human has tolike think about it and make deliberate choices.
To me, that makes it lessfunny compared to a random piece of
artwork like on the internet of themices hands are kind of like this.
(31:33):
Yeah, I mean you see yousee the recreation of it, and the
hands are just like normal, andit's like, but you can depose to
me, then that's like you don'tunderstand why this is funny exactly. And
I think it's funny because he's doinglike such a natural pose gesture, a
type of gesture that is like sowelcoming, and it's like what you can
get mad at me and he's notsmiling, but he's not. He's got
(31:55):
like a blank my here's your phone, but on, let me see mister
Chetta good. It's like a blankexpression. You're right, I always thought
he was smiling. Are people's inabilityto like look at two things that like
fundamentally like should be the exact seam, But it's like it's missing something about
it, you know, like you'rerecreating misted chetta. You're trying to recreate
this, but you also you haveonly a human eye. You are flawed.
(32:17):
You cannot make a perfect missed tochatdo that is as funny as the
one the computer makes because the computerjust does it. You know. It's
it's so like weird. You know, the people who are against AI and
they look at things as black andwhite. The reason why is because at
the end of the day, theintegrity of the art is being threatened because
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others use AI to quote unquote createart and claim it as such. When
there is no emotion or feeling orlike talent or like you said, deliberate
acts to like create something. It'sjust kind of like taking from others to
(33:00):
replicate something. Yeah, it's thatthing or it comes back to that idea
that it's not necessarily like, becauseagain, someone making a funny AI picture
of a mice and putting it onTwitter is not the equivalent of like having
AI R replicate someone's job or anadvertising agency or a company using AI art
(33:21):
to make their marketing material or theirbillboards, because one is taking away someone's
job. On one is just likehaving fun, but both are feeding the
algorithms. You know. That's wherethe moral issue comes from, I suppose,
which is like the more you playwith a art, the more it's
learning, and you're deliberately letting thathappen. But I guess I'm also in
the boat of like, you're notgonna stop it, dude, I know
(33:43):
I'm gonna stop A. You can'tstop AI. You can't. But at
the same time, it's just like, but why why like support it?
You know what it is? It'slike that kid who made the spring Trap
animation that we talked about, theScooby Doo spring Trap and use the AI
voices where it's like this kid usingAI Daphnian fucking Fred is not like taking
(34:05):
jobs from people because this kid wasnot gonna pay people anyway. He doesn't
have like a disposable income. Butit's still feeding that AI algorithm to get
better at replicating these voices where it'slike the act that this person's doing is
not directly doing any harm, butit contributes to the larger issue of people
allowing themselves to get carried away bythe prospect of AI, like what can
(34:28):
you do? There's like but atthe same time it's like, well,
you could either not do it ordo it, not use AI or use
AI. And no matter what theInternet says, I think the answer for
the majority of the population is alwaysgoing to be they're going to use it.
Yeah, and everybody is using itall the time, every day.
I think it really takes someone beingin a position or having a job or
(34:49):
a hobby that is that threat ofbeing replaced by AI for them to really
understand the gravity of the situation.Like some fucking seven to eleven worker is
not going to care that they're generatinga funny AI image and posting it,
you know, or like someone whoworks like in construction. I feel like
you have to have a job inlike the arts or like media something that
AI could so easily like imityate foryou to really understand how severe like feeding
(35:17):
that algorithm is. But that's notgoing to be enough people to put a
stop to anything. Do you wantan AI wench? No, little organic
wench? If Little Organic, ifLittle Organic Wench was no longer, God
forbid, would you have a littleAI wench? Sure? Really old goddard,
Yeah, little ai Goddard wench.You could tell them to explode.
(35:39):
Yeah, But isn't it unethical becauseat that point you have your Mecca Wench.
But why wouldn't you just want anotherdog? Let life continue? I
guess that would be the thing thatwould be the dilemma. That's the same
issue as the ai ar. Doyou want something natural or do you want
something that serves the same purpose butis inorganic? That was beautifully spoken,
(36:00):
Mark, that's all baseball clap.I meant golf club dude. The other
day, me, me and MarkI invited by Jane to go to the
Pasadena Comic Con. We went toPasadena Comic Con and we were in the
seamer room. Was Butch Hartman,but we we did not talk to him,
(36:23):
but we did get buttons. Wedid get buttons because we signed up
to his newsletter. Here they are. It was kind of like not a
great convention on No, it wasa really shit convention. It was really
tiny, and maybe it's because we'renot like we're not so a part of
fandoms to the point where we're like, I gotta go and get a signature
from this person, this voice actoris gonna be there. I have to
(36:44):
check it out. You know.It really did feel like those are the
two things. Was a bunch ofpeople's artwork or the voice actors. Yeah,
you know what else I really don'tlike about it. There's no rhyme
or reason anything was playist. Yeah, no voice actors and artists put together.
There was a random, like fullline and we were like, what
(37:04):
the fuck is that turned on forTom Kenny but you couldn't tell it was
Tom Kenny. Yeah, we didn'teven know. We walked past that lane
like multiple like up and down thevoice actor lanes multiple times. Yeah,
and then Butch Hartman was like,yeah, on the other side of Tom
Kenny, like the complete opposite side. It was really random. Why Flash
Gordon was there, Yeah, likenext to like random like voice actors.
(37:24):
And then there was like Gray Delisle, she was on she was near but
yeah, all the fairly parents voiceactors, and so it's like it's weird
it's weird. It was a weirdconvention and I and I guess maybe it's
still like help with lines, whereit's like, instead of having all the
voice actors like on one half,where there's gonna be like long lines the
(37:45):
whole way through, they'd rather spaceat I but it just seems so.
But even the artist out or notthe artist. The exhibit hall was like
disorganized. They were like some tablesthat were going straight and then there was
one going like perpendicular, yeah,and then another one going near like it
was like like dominoes. I justdon't I'm realizing as I get older that
I really just don't like going toconventions. Conventions. Conventions are fun if
(38:10):
you're with the right peo. Iwas gonna say, it's fun to hang
out with your friends. Yes,you could also go bowling and hang out
with their friends and have fun.You know, I guess the possibility of
meeting people that you like their mediaor like the media that you consume,
yeah, you know you might seethem there, or or just seeing people
dressed up in characters that you like, or novelty artworks that you would never
(38:32):
be able to get. Yeah,it's like VidCon where like, I'm sure
for a lot of kids, it'slike, Wow, this is the only
place on planet Earth and the onlytime of the year where I could be
in the same room as Matt patand as odds went out. But if
you're just going in there, likejust casually, it's like, I don't
want to go to a panel.I don't care enough. I don't want
(38:53):
to meet any of these creators,any any of the creators I am friends
with already. Why would I meetthem here in this like unnatural setting.
VidCon sucks, vicom is horrible.But you know what, Mark, I
think we should go to momo Con. Yeah, I'm still on the fans
about it. Really, what doyou guys think? Let us know in
the comments. You guys, ifwe did a if we did a panel
(39:14):
at momo Con, would you guysgo? Yeah? Would you want to
see our panel? We had Wetalked about this not too long ago and
had an idea. Yeah, wehad an idea for a panel, but
we shouldn't tell him yet. Shouldn'ttell them because someone's gonna rip us off.
Yeah. Yeah, Mumbocon is alwaysone of those things that I wanted
to go to, but I didn'tcare enough to go to Georgia because it's
like, if I'm going to America, I'm going to LA, I'm going
(39:35):
to VidCon. Mombo Con just seemedso like maybe not Liam, but more
like I don't know what I'm gonnado there and I don't like engage much
in like communities, you know,to Is that what mommo CON's about.
I've never never been is like cartoons, manga, anime, like every other
(39:59):
convention. Okay, but it's likethe one that everyone goes to in like
the spheres that I'm in. Butit's always been a thing where it's like
I'd like to but do I wantto make the effort to now, but
who knows? Maybe will if enoughpeople now, we will. Yeah,
maybe everyone should add momo Con onTwitter and say please, please please Mark
(40:21):
missed the application d it by likesix months, but please let us uh
come smiles really widely. Yeah.So we were thinking at our panel of
doing something really really cool and itinvolves prizes, guys, It involves meeting
Sonny tm I r LM. Youwill see Sonny's big giant fucking fat titties
(40:42):
IRL, guys. Three D.In three D, you're gonna have three
D glasses. Everyone is, yeah, well, we'll think about it.
But let us know if you guyswould want to see that true, But
also send this little Wench love letters. Yeah in our p bucks Peo bucks
uh, or two our peo bucksyeah, two our pio box maybe goody.
(41:07):
There was something I didn't want tosay this earlier. There was someone
standing on that balcony right there staringat us. Really yeah the whole time
there there's like a window right hereand there's a balcony for our neighbors.
Yeah, and there's like a womanstanding on there like staring through our windows.
Like the only time we ever openour window. That woman always looks
angry at us. Though, Nowthat was a younger woman, a different
one. She was like twenty,She wasn't the old woman. No,
(41:29):
the old woman always looks pissed offat us. Yeah, that's because Wench
is always sticking his tick out thewindow, dude and going yam, dude.
Remember when there was one day wherewe were walking down the street and
this man was on his phone andhe was freaking out and I guess he
like just got news. He gotoff the phone and looked at us.
We didn't even know who he was. And he's like, I just got
(41:49):
news that my grandmother has cancer ormy aunt has cancer. Yeah, and
I have to go tell my motherright now. And he's like, always
get checked, Always go to thedoctor's and then he just walked away.
That was weird. Yeah, itwas such shock. There's another time where
we meet this woman looked like acomplete idiot. Oh my god, I
forgot about this. We were walkingwith Bean Wench and Sammy and uh we're
(42:10):
We walked across the street and thenas we were walking, this woman started
calling me from behind. I turnedaround and she was like nope, no,
and then she's entered trash. Shecalls like a bag of dog shit
and she's like, no, no, you're not putting You're not gonna keep
putting this in my trash can.And I looked at her and I was
looking at it and I was like, that's not mine. Like I like
pulled my trash bag for the doggypoop out and I was like, my
(42:31):
bags are blue, that's not ours. And even then I was like,
I'll throw it away if you wantsure, and she was like no,
no, it's fine, it's fine. So she walks away and puts it
back in her trash and walks oway. He grabs her trash can and brings
it back in. Her issue wasit was trash day and she had just
gotten her trash picked up, andso she didn't want dog shit to be
the first thing dumped in her garbagecan. I don't know. I'm like,
(42:52):
it's fucking it's garbage anyway, smellingthat anyway, Yeah, open it
once a day maybe to put inthe trash, and then it's like,
walk away, Oh boohoo, You'regonna have dog shit in your trash can
for a week while other mountains ofgarbage you're gonna be on top of it
rotten food, and yeah, you'rebroken dildos. So yeah, it's just
(43:13):
like, don't be a bitch.Yeah, that was pretty Wild's moral of
the story of this whole entire episode. Don't be bit moral of the story.
Let me tell you a good one. Guys. Last week I made
enchiladas, right. I went tothe weeds store, and, Uh,
the guy who's the owner is reallyreally nice to me, and he'll always
say hi to me and he makessmall talk or whatever. And I told
him, I was like, oh, I made some enchiladas, and he's
(43:35):
like, oh man, I loveenchiladas. And I was like, okay,
well how about this. I'll goback to my place and I'll get
you some enchiladas and I'll bring himback over here. So I go home,
get the enchiladas, go back tothe store the next day, and
give him the enchiladas. And apparentlyhe was like six, so he was
like, oh my god. Hehad no idea that I was actually like
gonna come back. So I waslike, yeah, man, you know,
(43:55):
here you go. And he waslike, dude, hook her up.
Fourteen joints, guys, fourteen jointsfor ten dollars. That was the
biggest deal ever. I couldn't evenfucking believe it. I was like,
man, and so fast forward rightinto the future. Fast forward to today.
(44:15):
I go to the store to gopick up some more joints, and
he's not there. The owner's notthere, but his wife's there. And
his wife's like, oh my god, Oh, I have to tell you.
The owner loved your enchiladas. Hesaid, anytime we see you,
we will hook you up. Sothey gave me the same deal. Fourteen
joins for ten dollars, guys.The moral of the story is, feed
(44:37):
your dealers and they will hook youup unless your dealers witch. Who do
you relate more with Kenny or Spenny? Um? I feel like I can
be both, you know. Yeah, I feel like I could very easily
be built both. Like what withSonny, I'm definitely more like Kenny.
(45:00):
But uh, whenever I was akid, uh, and in high school,
I was like Spenny with Tom whenwe first met, where Tom the
mace would just like ship on meall the time. And it's because he
wouldn't let me join his Minecraft serverin the school library. But then we
both turned into Spennie and started griefingKenny, our new Spennie. And then
(45:24):
the cycle continues and I here weare, and it's I'm doing the same
things griefing Sonny's you know. Butguys, you should all check out Kenny
versus. Please watch the Octopus episode. You should all look up mister Chetta.
You you don't have to look atmister Chetta here is in three Yeah,
(45:45):
and UH join us next time whenuh letters, we'll read the po
bos. You guys have to sendthem asap because next week we're gonna read
some of your letters. But thenValentine's Day's coming out. Also guys,
for the Valnce Times Day Special,we have a very very special treat for
you guys. Stay tuned. Bennett
Guys, look out, how fatthis little winches right here. Okay,
he's fucking full of food and love. But you know what would make him
even fuller love letters from you,guys. Valentine's Day is coming up,
and this little winch would love aValentine's Day card from you. You know
where you can send one, guys, to our brand new po box where
you can send us fun letters.Don't send anything big. Yeah, it's
(00:23):
really tiny. If you want tosend us anything, any letters, here
you go and we'll read the letterson a future episodes out of the podcast,
just like next episode. Yeah,no, possibly the episode after.
We'll check the PO box tomorrow.Actually we could check it today. We
could check the PEO box like later. We effort the episode to come out
first. Oh yeah, what wouldyou do with that little wind floated up
(00:50):
to the ceiling and you couldn't getdown. I'd make sure I didn't open
any windows. Yeah, you wouldn'tlet him like go outside and try and
see maybe it would stop. No, I wouldn't. No, definitely,
in what world would I do thatright outside? It's nothing like Nathan Fielder
Fielder and the Curse Point. Iwas thoroughly enjoying it for the first like
(01:12):
half, But but I was onlyenjoying it because I was like, Oh,
there's gonna be a good payoff.Yeah. It was all building up
to something that I I was likecautiously optimistic for where I just assumed that
it was all gonna pay off ina way where everything suddenly made sense,
you know. But it just kindof went in a direction that was like
not what I was expecting. Butalso it's not like I don't like it
(01:34):
just because it's unexpected or what Iwanted. It's just kind of like,
oh, it's just another one ofthose fucking endings where it's like, oh,
it's vague, it's like or it'smetaphoricalation, but it's not even really
left up to interpretation because there isonly like one way, meaning you can
forget it. Yeah, yeah,okay, I think it's biggest flaws here
(01:55):
are they introduce certain things into theshow with certain characters, and it goes
nowhere, and it's only just togive you an idea, a further more
defined idea of these characters' personalities.Yeah. I was describing it to the
other day, where it felt likethey were setting up all these dominoes that
you're just like, oh, ofcourse this is all going to collapse them
at some point. It's kind oflike them building up all these plot points
(02:17):
that you're like, oh, thatis going to like lead to disaster.
I'm so worried about how this isgoing to end up, what the consequences
are for the characters. And thenit does that thing where the final episode
comes around and it's like, oh, yeah, everything we were doing throughout
the show that was like a yearago, we're moved on from that.
Nine. It has the same issuethat The Bear has, where it's a
(02:38):
build up to what's going to happento this big moment. Right, these
characters like Nathan Fielder and Emistone,they're finally going to get their show aired.
You don't see the show air.It's just already that. Yeah.
Season two is already like happening bythe time. Yeah. But the last
episode yeah yeah, So it's likea time skip. And it's the same
issue with Barry where Barry has thatas well. Right, I didn't mind.
(02:59):
I did like the last season isjust a big time skip and this
is where everyone is now. Youdon't really get to see the shit unfold
Yeah, it's all implied where it'slike, oh you, it's this issue
with modern shows, or because everythinghas to be so short, it's like
they're rushed through everything. Like imaginethat Britain Bad like the last episode.
(03:21):
Imagine that was like episode five ofseason five and then that was like the
show over, you know, likeimagine it was like that short. That
would yeah, that would be waytoo much. To be even worse,
it would be like if season ifit's like if Breaking Bad was like ten
episodes long in season one and seasonone or season one had season one through
five all crammed into it. Youknow, I think nothing really feels congruent
(03:45):
with each other. No, noneof the character like you kind of like,
oh okay, this Emma Stone's reallyselfish and narcissistic and self centered.
She puts down her husband, shethinks he's not worth it. She's more
than willing to like step on him, yes, to get a leg up
for herself. Yeah, and youknow Nathan Fielders just like has no backbone,
He has no dignity, he hasno integrity. He lets this woman
(04:05):
completely beat down on him, andhe lets other people beat down on him.
Yeah, and you know he's kindof in a way not deserving of
anything because he's just yeah he's yeah, I know you mean, you know
what I mean. Yeah, Andthen you get Dougie too, where he's
also a selfish, narcissistic. Yeah, he's meant to be like the opposite
(04:25):
of Asher or Nathan Fielder's character,where he is like speaks his mind,
he says whatever, like doesn't careabout things being awkward, or he doesn't
care really about how he comes up, like he will do it also wise,
Yeah, exactly, Yeah, he'sa worm. But yeah, they
set up all this stuff, likelike the stuff with the casino or the
(04:46):
little girl in the curse or thencursing Asher. Yeah, all this stuff
that feels like it's almost abandoned bythe last episode because like a year has
passed any it's a white heighth,she's pregnant, And I wouldn't even mind
the time skip if it weren't infever of having half the episode be him
(05:06):
stuck on the roof, because it'slike, I get what you're trying to
say. I don't need half anhour of this. That's the thing.
Is the last episode, like fortyfive minutes of it is Asher being stuck
to the room. Yeah, theyabandoned it like the plot for the logistics
of it. Yeah, for somethingcompletely metaphorical that isn't even that hard,
like the Sopranos ending like that.People have compared it to you, yes,
(05:29):
or is like no, because there'sa million different scenarios you can think
of. Did he live? Didhe die? Like no, no,
Asher floats off into space and wesee that and we see him diez.
Yeah, it's not a thing aboutwhat happens. It's more of a thing
in the show about what does itmean? And for me, it's like,
I don't give a shit what itmeans. I wanted to watch a
show that had felt like it hada satisfying conclusion, but the conclusion just
(05:50):
seems to be kind of like whileshe moved on to having a kitch,
doesn't need him anymore, Like thatshe didn't need him anymore, And and
the TV show in the House iswhat split apart, and the pressure between
them, you know, it wasbuilding to the point where he like had
you know, and oh and healso promised her that he would fucking disappear
if she didn't want him anymore,and if he knew that she didn't want
(06:11):
him anymore. Yeah. I alwaystook it as like the TV show was
really all that was keeping them together, because gimmick of the show is like
a husband and wife like duo repairingthis like old neighborhood. But now that
she's having the kid for season two, like why do I? Oh no,
the dynamic is me and my kid, not me and my husband.
So it's like because the show,the show starts off being called philanthropy,
(06:36):
philanthropylanthropy, flipanthropy. There we go, and then by the end of it,
you know, Emma Stone's idea wasto change the name to Green Queen,
so it's just mostly about her.Yeah, and everyone is like,
oh, yeah, he's like yourjester, you know, like he is
not No one is seen as likeon equal equal terms as her. Yeah,
(06:59):
even like the execus A producer HGTV. Yeah. Yeah, And so
the whole show. The best partsof the show to me were high like
awkward and high like real it was, and high like Meathan Fielder like so
well like sells that cringe show wherehe can write that really route, the
interaction between him and the father ofthe little girl, the little girl that
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curses him. Yeah, and justhow weird and uncomfortable it is that he's
offering this man like a house andit's such a like pity gesture, but
he's trying to act like it's likeno sweat off of his back, just
giving him this three hundred thousand dollarshouse. Yeah, and then like you
see him like plan to buy it, and then you see him get guilted
(07:43):
by not giving this little girl onehundred dollars for a TV show and so
he feels so bad about that houseand lies, yeah, and he lies
about it. So he gives himthe house. He lets him squat in
the house because they had been squattingin that house or like that a vacant
lot before he purchased it. That'show that like plot line, And you
think it's gonna be about that,So you're like, oh, what's gonna
happen, Like is this man goingto take advantage of him? Like but
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he doesn't really, No, hedoesn't. He does, but he doesn't.
It's like it's handed to him.Yeah, it's handed to him,
and he's just kind of like,yeah, I'll take it. And to
me, it's like there's no payofffor any of the stuff. Again like
the casino stuff, Like he iswriting like his former job for like have
it being fixed, you know,like the for not stopping the gamblers who
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are addicted to gambling. Yeah,just for being like like a shitty like
and we see him go back tothe casino. What he's talking about high
like, oh, the lighting installedor specifically designed to like make sure you
don't know what time it is,you know, so you I'm pretty sure
in that show it was something likethat. And then he finally that he
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sees the news story that they doafter rats the mic and Emma Stone sees
in the news feed that it's himdoing like partiking in it, even though
he never like was honest to buydebt with her. But then after that
talk about it briefly, it's likenever touched on again, like the casino
stuff. I mean, he talksto the guy in the store, his
former co worker, and admits tohim that it was him. But then
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that's like where it ends, andit's like that's not a satisfying payoff to
that plot point. And that's thething is the show's way of giving you
that payoff is oh, it wasacknowledged, Yeah, and that's it it's
missing like the big like cringe moment. You know, it's missing the cringe.
That's the thing that's my thing isthat, Yeah, there's the build
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up is so good that it makesthe payoff come up, like come on,
so when does it come? It'sjust like, oh, okay,
we were just uncomfortable and witness thisbecause just because and the fact that it
doesn't end with something real, itends with something metaphorical and kind of like
goofy. Honestly, you're just kindof left going like, well, what
was the point in any of thatthis? This could have started with episode
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like episode ten, that could havebeen the only like episode of the show,
and I would have gotten the exactsame thing out of it. I
feel like you could have started withlike, oh, here's a couple having
a kid. They just had thisshow. It's not doing that well.
Yeah that episode ten is a TikTokthat's a TikTok story. Yeah, oh
part part one and seventeen. Yeah, it's just like the woman has a
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baby and the father flights flies intothe space or the atmosphere. Yeah.
Yeah, it's just like I getit. Like I don't think the show
is like bad or anything. Butthat ending is not satisfying in the slightest,
No, not at all. Whatis bothersome is that because it's left
up two interpretation, right, I'dwatch like a bunch of interviews with Ben
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Safty, Benny Safti and the panel. All of them are always just like,
well, the more you talk aboutit, right, Like, that's
that's kind of what we're going for. We want you guys to talk about
this, you know, we wantto know what you guys. We want
to know what you guys think,because your answer is correct. Whatever you
say and you think happens, that'scorrect. And it's like, that's lazy,
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that's lazy writing. Well yeah,maybe not even lazy, but it's
just a style of writing that Ican't appreciate. It's lazy because they didn't
put thought into trying to conclusively endanything and give it impact. The only
thing that gave this last episode impactwas that it was shockingly goofy. It
was silly, yeah, and Ijust I can't again, I can't appreciate
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it. I can't appreciate a showthat just ends like that because it makes
me not want to ever rewatch it. And that's what everyone was telling us
where it's like, oh, Iloved the ending, but I'll never rewatch
that show. And it's like,what is that a sign of I don't
know, Like it's to me,it's like, oh, this doesn't end
in a satisfying way. Of courseyou would never want to sit there,
you know, why would you wantto watch it again? I guess for
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those cringe moments because there's no payoffand makes me feel like I'm watching the
show and already knowing that there's noconsequence to anything because it just ends with
him floating out. Yeah, it'slike these any of this could have had
and it's all for stuff. That'sjust like him and his wife hard they
were from episode one. You know, their relationship does not really like evolve
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or devolve from episode one. There'skind of like the CMOI through just tensions
are a little bit higher. Soit's like this could have happened, that
him floating away could have happened atany point. All it would have taken
is for them to get like pregnantsooner. You know, Like, Yeah,
it was it was bold and itwas ambitious. It was shot fucking
amazing. Uh, the acting wasfucking amazing. Nathan Fielder has this one
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like rant monologue to Emma Stone that'sjust like, holy fuck, yeah he
is. Yeah, I think Dougiewas the worst character. I think Ben
Saftie is really pompous and annoying asa character and also as a person.
Him on the panels is like,so dude, he's so fucking annoying.
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He's so like up his own ass. It's ridiculous, it's funny, it's
really fucking well done. It is, but the ending sucks ass. Yeah,
and it ruins it. It does. It completely ruins it, and
it makes you go, well,okay, cause a paramount, like where
are they gonna go for season two? Honestly, that is true that it
was a paramount. Plus I literallythink that if I think if season two
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comes out, it's just gonna belike we just I was gonna say what
could you possibly do? And theonly thing you could possibly do is and
I was gonna talk about this.This is a good segue. Is the
topic of rebirth. Now. Alot of people on YouTube who have given
explanations to this ending have all touchedon the idea that Nathan Fielder is actually
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he went up to space and isreborn and he is like the child.
Yeah, and it's about or thislike the symbolism of the metaphor is about
rebirth, and that some like hislife in a way was cursed and there
was no way of like breaking it, you know, and so he dies
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or whatever, and then the childis born. And then that was why
he floats away, was because EmmaStone had no longer needed him because she
had the child. So it's like, right, yeah, which still isn't
satisfying, No, it's not.But I'm gonna say the opposite. I
think if season two comes out,it'll be Neith in his back and it's
like, oh, that didn't happenagain, it was like metaphorical, you
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know, so we'll just pick upfrom wherever, like so they're the real
life thing. Yeah, yeah,that that will be what actually happened.
And that's the simple four it isand floating away. But then at that
point, then what is the thenwhat was the point of season one?
What? What was what was thereasoning? Then? Why? Like for
why I don't think it needs aseason two? I don't know why they're
making one. And this is theannoying thing is I feel like people who
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say that they understand the ending,or they under or they're like, you
know, they think it's amazing.I feel like I'm like, okay,
but what did What am I missinghere? Guys? And we have watched
this show and would like to offeryour input? Yeah, what am I
missing here? Yeah? Because let'sbe okay. I'm a very very critical
person. As you guys know.My rating scale is seven is mediocre.
And this, by the way,I would say, is as like a
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like a seven point five. It'sfine. I wouldn't watch it again.
I feel like a lot of peoplewho really really highly rate this film,
like the series or whatever, theyonly do it because they are need and
Fielder stands, you know. Yeah, It's just like if I already give
it a reading, I would say, Kenny Versus Spinny is better. This
is Kenny versus Spanny. Dude.Okay. So, Mark, like a
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couple of weeks ago started watching KennyVersus Spinny again, And we had watched
it a long time ago, along long time ago when we were first
like friends, and that was somethingthat I always watched growing up because it
was always on Comedy Central. Andwhat was the first one we watched?
Remember, it was one of theones we'd like previously watched like years ago.
I'm pretty sure it's like one ofthe ones we always go yeah,
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but then we find I was like, okay, well what are because there's
like one hundred episodes of that show. Surprisingly, so I was like,
oh, what sixties season? Yeah? Five, so it's like one of
the best episodes. So we startedgoing through those and dude, okay,
if you don't know, Kenny VersusSpinny is a show a Canadian show by
Trey Parker and Matt Stone. Yeah, and they just it's what two guys
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in a rint did highs doing challengeswhen every episode is a challenge, but
they're always just like the most dumbLike it's either the most simple idea for
a challenge like who cannot get aboner? Or who can? Yeah,
who cannot get a boner first?Or who go with dead octopus on the
top of your head? Yeah?And the thing that all was I that
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entertains me most about the show islike, no matter what episode it is,
like, it never goes in thedirection I would expect. Yeah,
no, not one. So likethe episodes I feel like that have the
dumbest premise or that have like thethe most simple ideas are the ones that
I want that wind up going inlike the craziest directions for me. Yeah,
I would say that a lot ofthat is attributed though to Kenny.
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Kenny is the one that derails theshow completely. Yeah, the loser of
this competition has to go into amovie lineup and they give away the ending
even though his fridge is empty.I'm gonna super do the lock. But
I do like also like, yeah, the gimmick is that like King always
wins, but I like that it'snot a thing where like he literally always
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he earns it. No he doesn't, well he actually he does, he
does earn it. I mean likethat the show like Kenny wins like it's
not fixed. It's not fixed orhe will win no matter what. It's
more just like eighty percent of thetime he wins, which makes it more
like rewarding when when Spenny wins,but not really not really though he usually
gets like pity wins. Yeah,I think like very few. He actually
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like tried really hard and he won. There was what was it? It
was the stripper one right, whois a better male stripper? That's right.
Kenny didn't even try it. Alland Spenny actually like got lessons,
like dancing lessons and like got anoutfit, had a whole gimmick, yeah,
like dance in front of these womenand they all picked him even though
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he forfeited because Kenny didn't try that'sright, Yeah, but he still won.
They gave it to him. Yeah, find it interesting just to watch
because it's like, oh, thiscan never be aired on like TV or
anywhere. This could not be uploadedto the like YouTube. People would not
have it. You could not know, you could not watch this like and
nowadays people couldn't make content like thisever, not at all, doing black
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feast and stuff. How inappropriate Kennyis also how like disrespectfully is to women.
Yeah, like he's always grabbing women, always poking their tits, or
like he does the trick where hetells them to kiss him on the cheek
and he turns his head and kisseshim in the mouth and a lot of
them slap usually slap him. Yeah, and it's just, uh, it's
very entertaining to see like something that'sso like two thousands. It is a
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relic. Yeah, your hands down, let's show everybody the beautiful bug.
That's where life begins. It's soweird. You'll see like their cell phones,
or you'll see like their computers whenthey go into like their office,
like with all their secretaries. CheckKenny it all. It's all on YouTube.
Kenny uploaded it all in like twoforty p mark. You kind of
looked like, Spenny, Yeah,you don't have butt cheek cheeks? What
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does that mean, like like biggiant chubby cheeks. Which one's your favorite
so far that we've watched? Theship one was pretty bad. I forgot
about the ship one. It waswho can wear a ship in their pants?
The longest and Spenny like duct tapeddude, Okay, Spenny. Spenny
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tried to catch on to Kenny's liketricks, right. Kenny always goes to
this like one medicine guy and hegot like pills to like make sure that
he would have like it would beyeah, he'd be constipated, right,
So Spenny tried to get the samepills. But what Kenny did was he
bought them at first, switched themout for laxatives, knowing that Spenny would
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buy them, and then gave themback to the store owner to put back
on the shelf for for Spenny.To buy and then take. So he
took a shit town of laxatives andthey're both wearing like man diapers. It's
so oh my god, there's likeshit ring out. There's like a part
where he's like running running to thetoilet with his giant, saggy shit diaper.
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Yeah, it's pretty, it's prettypretty foul. Yeah, you couldn't
make that on TV. Anyone shouldn'tdo that. Uh So, Yeah,
I would recommend checking out that oneif you want a good idea with the
show. Or who can smoke Moreweed? Oh, that's a good one.
Who can smoke the most weed?It's like the one episode where their
friends and listen to some tunes,play some games. I can't believe it.
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You know. That's when we wereclosest, when we were doing drugs
together. Think about it. Theyactually get along. Although I think my
favorite one is who could wear adead octopus the longest? And the octopus
is going to kill you? Takeit off your head. Yeah, there's
three for you guys. You shouldwatch those and get back to us.
Yeah, let us know in thecomments. They're all on they're on YouTube.
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Okay, Mark, we have ourown Kenny Versus spenny thing here on
our podcast, right, but itwas sunny, Okay, you and me
versus Sonny. What competition would wedo? I think that could also be
up to the viewers to decide.Yeah, yeah, guys, if we
ever had Sonny back in the podcast, if we ever what we said no
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weenies allied last time, that's true. That is true. So maybe if
we we are a bit more laxon our rules and we have a one
weenie allied at a time, wecould bring Sonny in. Yeah, it
says no weenies, it's true.Yeah, so we could have a weenie
is alive. Only a weenie isallowed. Yeah, but Sonny might kind
for three wienies. Whole barrel ofweenis nowadays with streaming shows, it's just
(21:38):
you can't make stuff that episodic anymore. Where it's just like random ship every
episode. I feel like, also, it's just like there's not enough money,
you know what I mean? Idon't think so look at how big
these budgets are. Look at howlike how high quality these like six episodes
series are. You know why thatis? Though? It's because of streaming
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making it so easily accessible to watchmovies, but also because of like places
like Disney Plus who are making theirown original shows, but they like blur
the line between like movie and showwhere the show has just as big a
budget as like one of their movies. And so it's this thing where you
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can't really have a show that it'sjust kind of like shot like a sitcom
anymore, because it's like, whyis so low budget? Wise? Where's
the CG where it's like Spider Manrunning around? You're saying the stakes are
too high? Now? Is thatwhat you're trying to say? I'm saying
the bar Yeah, people's expectations areso high nigh that you couldn't get away.
I mean, I'm sure you could, but people studios always want to
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make it seem like they have thebig thing, you know. So I
don't think it would be possible nowightas to get something like Kenney Versus Spinny,
because nowhere is going to want tolike put the money into it,
not because I don't have it orthat because it costs too much, but
because it's more impressive. Instead ofmaking twenty average looking shows, you make
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one really fucking big, like StarWars Epic. But you know what is
like Kenny Versus Spenny? Now whatit's the perfect example is fish Tank.
Fish Tank is like our modern dayKenny versus Spenny. Do what has been
Hotel is I have like I'm doing. I've heard the name, but it's
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a competition. It's it's live,so it's it's different, but it's a
competition that's ridiculous and foul and crude. And like I guess I've never seen
fish Tank to know. I didn'trealize it was that much of like a
competition. I thought it was moreof like a Big Brother kind of thing.
Big Brother also has. Yeah,I guess that is like I always
forget Big Brother has like a Vinceand like you always think about like the
(23:55):
Confessionals, about the fucking bumming aroundthe height solid. I got really mad
one time. I told you justbefore where I was sitting in like the
living room watching like TV as akid, like one of my old VA
chass and my mom was like,I want to come in and watch Big
Brother and I was like sure,yes, I can't wait, I say
Ryan in. I was like,what the fuck is this? They were
like this is a big Brother andI was like I thought this was Brother
(24:18):
Bear. Did you stick around andwatch it? Though? I watched like
half of it and I got bored. I would not watch that kind of
stuff as a kid. See,I never heard a big brother until you
showed me the Monkey Jones video.You never heard a big brother? No,
big brother is like Giant here too. No, I never heard a
big brother. That's so weird tome. I always thought big Brother was
that program where you like hang outwith kids like role models copies. Yeah,
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but no, Yeah, I didn'tknow about it until you showed me
the Monkey Jones thing. I rememberthey referenced Big Brother and Family Guy once
and that made me. That waslike one of the first times was a
kid where I was like, whoa, Like what I what I consume was
not in a bubble. It issomething that other people can see too.
Family Guy made fun of this,so everybody knows what it is now.
It was more of a thing whereI didn't realize the Big Brother was Like,
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I didn't know game shows in theUK had like US equivalents. Oh,
so we're like, well they havethat there too. What the fuck?
Oh, I see what you mean, gotcha? Yeah, but what
about malth manor I never watched that. I only watched like the first two
episodes. It's pretty uncomfortable honestly,but I don't even know if they are
related. Yeah, but you knowwhat we got really into watching recently,
(25:26):
or like a couple months back,uh, Naked Attraction, which I think
is just a dog shit show thattrac awesome. It is incredibly entertain and
it was so good. It's theultimate like shit TV. It's like it
is, Yeah, it is likebullshit TV, where it's like, this
is what I'm watching, but I'mwatching it. It's so fucking intriguing though,
Like I have learned more about howdifferent the human body looks than ever
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before. Yeah, I know,you mean, I didn't know they made
people like that. But I findit interesting because I saw everyone talking about
it a couple months back and itwas all over like the front piage of
HBO Max, which was interesting tome because I I remember when the show
first aired. It it's a UKshow and it first aired like ten years
ago and it was incredibly controversial.I thought it was canceled immediately because of
(26:11):
how much like shit it got.But it has like six seasons. Yeah,
because there's so much like more,there's more leeway. I think in
the UK about showing nudity on onscreen, like you guys, it's educational
because they have educational segments in it. Yeah, so they like it's It's
like, it's not censored at all. It's full frontal nudity, dude,
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it's everything and every everyone's naked,and everybody's naked. It just shows it
except the host. Except the host. But it was incredibly con There was
like newspaper articles like everyone like mygranny and all her friends and my mom
and everyone was just like this disgustingshow. And but it's so weird because
no, it's everywhere, like butif But then I think about it more
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and I'm like, if that showcame out to day, everyone would be
all over it. Yeah, theywould. Things are so much more progressive,
not you know, really weird.Guys. We were watching an episode
and they showed everyone and Sonny wasthis when Sonny was in time and they
showed like the bottom half of theguy and we were like, what the
fuck? That looks really familiar andthen Sonny grabbed their moth. I've never
like you know, when your parentslike walk in that meme where they walk
in you like in one free himlike close the tab you know like that,
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like Sonny immediately grabbed their mot turnedoff and I we never watched it,
so I don't know what is goingon there, but I think Sonny
had something he's not telling us.Sonny, what are you not telling us?
Guys in the comments? What doyou think Sonny's not telling us?
This is a very comment oriented episodecomments. Yeah, we want you guys
all to tell us everything about yourselves. Guys just coming like five times comes
(27:40):
with Cybro. You look at thatyour AI wench donkey Kong that you made
me? Yeah, though, iswhatever? What was that? Microsoft being
first like had their AI thing andI was like, okay, I got
to see what all the fuss isa bite? So I just typed in,
uh little white chewell white donkey Konglike scuba diving and fronic commuted or
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wallpaper. Look here it is aiRT is bad, but this is a
funny image. You know what thetopic is, guys missed a cheddar and
how he was unjustly canceled. Honestly, is it unjust? You cannot There
are some people who are like,you cannot make an exception to this,
but I'm like, you can makeexceptions to this as long as it's not
hurting anyone. You know, doyou think mister Chetta is hurting anyone?
(28:32):
No, because it is not rippingoff an artist. It is not like
copying something. It is literally justan AI picture of a mice, But
it is copying something because it istaking from other things. But it's such
a I don't know. Do youlike it so much? You like,
well, come on, No.I think it's because there is like an
argument to be had about, likeit's less. I like the fact that
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I guess mister Chetta is like badand more about yeah, setting the precedent
of like letting one thing slip throughor then it's much easier for the Internet
to treat the AI thing as likeblack and white. Yeah. But then
for something like mister Cheddar, whereit's like, what is making that AI
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photo really replacing? That's my thoughtprocess of it, I guess because mister
Chetta is at the same quality allthe way through. Not one asset of
him sticks out because he looks likea full finished thing, and it's realistics
on the art piece exactly, andso when people try to recreate it,
it's like, no, you're takingtoo realistic, it's too realistic to the
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point where it's not. AI justhas some fucking quality about it that makes
everything look so it flows sometimes exceptfor hands. Yeah, if you're unaware,
mister Chetta is an incredibly incredibly funny, hilarious like Image of the year
image of the same guys. Carefulguys, Okay, we're gonna show you,
right, don't get too excited.If any of you don't like AI
(30:02):
R and don't want to see this, look away here it is. That's
hilarious, right, that's really funny. Right, And people started to have
people like loved this image. Itwas everywhere one day. Then one day
someone tweeted being like, I justfind out the mystic Chetta is an AI
(30:23):
image, Like this ruins it forme. N So here's my version.
Yeah, yeah, use this onefrom use my one from NY on my
recreation. And it's like a twoD illustration and like a cartoon style of
a mice. And it's just likethe AI is taking from so much staff
that you are not able to likecapture and in your like illustration of it
that the charming features of mister Chetta, you know what it's like. It's
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like when some it's like teals getstrolled, or it's like there is just
something so perfectly like imperfect like thatthat is impossible, like you cannot easily
like recapture his expressions. It's justbecause us the one. There is no
one like the other, and itis so unique and has been like shown
to you over and over and overthat you can just spot the imperfections like
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a bad drawing Homer Simpson. Yeah. Or it's where it's like you as
a human, the AI can likebe like this is the way I do
this, but the human has tolike think about it and make deliberate choices.
To me, that makes it lessfunny compared to a random piece of
artwork like on the internet of themices hands are kind of like this.
(31:33):
Yeah, I mean you see yousee the recreation of it, and the
hands are just like normal, andit's like, but you can depose to
me, then that's like you don'tunderstand why this is funny exactly. And
I think it's funny because he's doinglike such a natural pose gesture, a
type of gesture that is like sowelcoming, and it's like what you can
get mad at me and he's notsmiling, but he's not. He's got
(31:55):
like a blank my here's your phone, but on, let me see mister
Chetta good. It's like a blankexpression. You're right, I always thought
he was smiling. Are people's inabilityto like look at two things that like
fundamentally like should be the exact seam, But it's like it's missing something about
it, you know, like you'rerecreating misted chetta. You're trying to recreate
this, but you also you haveonly a human eye. You are flawed.
(32:17):
You cannot make a perfect missed tochatdo that is as funny as the
one the computer makes because the computerjust does it. You know. It's
it's so like weird. You know, the people who are against AI and
they look at things as black andwhite. The reason why is because at
the end of the day, theintegrity of the art is being threatened because
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others use AI to quote unquote createart and claim it as such. When
there is no emotion or feeling orlike talent or like you said, deliberate
acts to like create something. It'sjust kind of like taking from others to
(33:00):
replicate something. Yeah, it's thatthing or it comes back to that idea
that it's not necessarily like, becauseagain, someone making a funny AI picture
of a mice and putting it onTwitter is not the equivalent of like having
AI R replicate someone's job or anadvertising agency or a company using AI art
(33:21):
to make their marketing material or theirbillboards, because one is taking away someone's
job. On one is just likehaving fun, but both are feeding the
algorithms. You know. That's wherethe moral issue comes from, I suppose,
which is like the more you playwith a art, the more it's
learning, and you're deliberately letting thathappen. But I guess I'm also in
the boat of like, you're notgonna stop it, dude, I know
(33:43):
I'm gonna stop A. You can'tstop AI. You can't. But at
the same time, it's just like, but why why like support it?
You know what it is? It'slike that kid who made the spring Trap
animation that we talked about, theScooby Doo spring Trap and use the AI
voices where it's like this kid usingAI Daphnian fucking Fred is not like taking
(34:05):
jobs from people because this kid wasnot gonna pay people anyway. He doesn't
have like a disposable income. Butit's still feeding that AI algorithm to get
better at replicating these voices where it'slike the act that this person's doing is
not directly doing any harm, butit contributes to the larger issue of people
allowing themselves to get carried away bythe prospect of AI, like what can
(34:28):
you do? There's like but atthe same time it's like, well,
you could either not do it ordo it, not use AI or use
AI. And no matter what theInternet says, I think the answer for
the majority of the population is alwaysgoing to be they're going to use it.
Yeah, and everybody is using itall the time, every day.
I think it really takes someone beingin a position or having a job or
(34:49):
a hobby that is that threat ofbeing replaced by AI for them to really
understand the gravity of the situation.Like some fucking seven to eleven worker is
not going to care that they're generatinga funny AI image and posting it,
you know, or like someone whoworks like in construction. I feel like
you have to have a job inlike the arts or like media something that
AI could so easily like imityate foryou to really understand how severe like feeding
(35:17):
that algorithm is. But that's notgoing to be enough people to put a
stop to anything. Do you wantan AI wench? No, little organic
wench? If Little Organic, ifLittle Organic Wench was no longer, God
forbid, would you have a littleAI wench? Sure? Really old goddard,
Yeah, little ai Goddard wench.You could tell them to explode.
(35:39):
Yeah, But isn't it unethical becauseat that point you have your Mecca Wench.
But why wouldn't you just want anotherdog? Let life continue? I
guess that would be the thing thatwould be the dilemma. That's the same
issue as the ai ar. Doyou want something natural or do you want
something that serves the same purpose butis inorganic? That was beautifully spoken,
(36:00):
Mark, that's all baseball clap.I meant golf club dude. The other
day, me, me and MarkI invited by Jane to go to the
Pasadena Comic Con. We went toPasadena Comic Con and we were in the
seamer room. Was Butch Hartman,but we we did not talk to him,
(36:23):
but we did get buttons. Wedid get buttons because we signed up
to his newsletter. Here they are. It was kind of like not a
great convention on No, it wasa really shit convention. It was really
tiny, and maybe it's because we'renot like we're not so a part of
fandoms to the point where we're like, I gotta go and get a signature
from this person, this voice actoris gonna be there. I have to
(36:44):
check it out. You know.It really did feel like those are the
two things. Was a bunch ofpeople's artwork or the voice actors. Yeah,
you know what else I really don'tlike about it. There's no rhyme
or reason anything was playist. Yeah, no voice actors and artists put together.
There was a random, like fullline and we were like, what
(37:04):
the fuck is that turned on forTom Kenny but you couldn't tell it was
Tom Kenny. Yeah, we didn'teven know. We walked past that lane
like multiple like up and down thevoice actor lanes multiple times. Yeah,
and then Butch Hartman was like,yeah, on the other side of Tom
Kenny, like the complete opposite side. It was really random. Why Flash
Gordon was there, Yeah, likenext to like random like voice actors.
(37:24):
And then there was like Gray Delisle, she was on she was near but
yeah, all the fairly parents voiceactors, and so it's like it's weird
it's weird. It was a weirdconvention and I and I guess maybe it's
still like help with lines, whereit's like, instead of having all the
voice actors like on one half,where there's gonna be like long lines the
(37:45):
whole way through, they'd rather spaceat I but it just seems so.
But even the artist out or notthe artist. The exhibit hall was like
disorganized. They were like some tablesthat were going straight and then there was
one going like perpendicular, yeah,and then another one going near like it
was like like dominoes. I justdon't I'm realizing as I get older that
I really just don't like going toconventions. Conventions. Conventions are fun if
(38:10):
you're with the right peo. Iwas gonna say, it's fun to hang
out with your friends. Yes,you could also go bowling and hang out
with their friends and have fun.You know, I guess the possibility of
meeting people that you like their mediaor like the media that you consume,
yeah, you know you might seethem there, or or just seeing people
dressed up in characters that you like, or novelty artworks that you would never
(38:32):
be able to get. Yeah,it's like VidCon where like, I'm sure
for a lot of kids, it'slike, Wow, this is the only
place on planet Earth and the onlytime of the year where I could be
in the same room as Matt patand as odds went out. But if
you're just going in there, likejust casually, it's like, I don't
want to go to a panel.I don't care enough. I don't want
(38:53):
to meet any of these creators,any any of the creators I am friends
with already. Why would I meetthem here in this like unnatural setting.
VidCon sucks, vicom is horrible.But you know what, Mark, I
think we should go to momo Con. Yeah, I'm still on the fans
about it. Really, what doyou guys think? Let us know in
the comments. You guys, ifwe did a if we did a panel
(39:14):
at momo Con, would you guysgo? Yeah? Would you want to
see our panel? We had Wetalked about this not too long ago and
had an idea. Yeah, wehad an idea for a panel, but
we shouldn't tell him yet. Shouldn'ttell them because someone's gonna rip us off.
Yeah. Yeah, Mumbocon is alwaysone of those things that I wanted
to go to, but I didn'tcare enough to go to Georgia because it's
like, if I'm going to America, I'm going to LA, I'm going
(39:35):
to VidCon. Mombo Con just seemedso like maybe not Liam, but more
like I don't know what I'm gonnado there and I don't like engage much
in like communities, you know,to Is that what mommo CON's about.
I've never never been is like cartoons, manga, anime, like every other
(39:59):
convention. Okay, but it's likethe one that everyone goes to in like
the spheres that I'm in. Butit's always been a thing where it's like
I'd like to but do I wantto make the effort to now, but
who knows? Maybe will if enoughpeople now, we will. Yeah,
maybe everyone should add momo Con onTwitter and say please, please please Mark
(40:21):
missed the application d it by likesix months, but please let us uh
come smiles really widely. Yeah.So we were thinking at our panel of
doing something really really cool and itinvolves prizes, guys, It involves meeting
Sonny tm I r LM. Youwill see Sonny's big giant fucking fat titties
(40:42):
IRL, guys. Three D.In three D, you're gonna have three
D glasses. Everyone is, yeah, well, we'll think about it.
But let us know if you guyswould want to see that true, But
also send this little Wench love letters. Yeah in our p bucks Peo bucks
uh, or two our peo bucksyeah, two our pio box maybe goody.
(41:07):
There was something I didn't want tosay this earlier. There was someone
standing on that balcony right there staringat us. Really yeah the whole time
there there's like a window right hereand there's a balcony for our neighbors.
Yeah, and there's like a womanstanding on there like staring through our windows.
Like the only time we ever openour window. That woman always looks
angry at us. Though, Nowthat was a younger woman, a different
one. She was like twenty,She wasn't the old woman. No,
(41:29):
the old woman always looks pissed offat us. Yeah, that's because Wench
is always sticking his tick out thewindow, dude and going yam, dude.
Remember when there was one day wherewe were walking down the street and
this man was on his phone andhe was freaking out and I guess he
like just got news. He gotoff the phone and looked at us.
We didn't even know who he was. And he's like, I just got
(41:49):
news that my grandmother has cancer ormy aunt has cancer. Yeah, and
I have to go tell my motherright now. And he's like, always
get checked, Always go to thedoctor's and then he just walked away.
That was weird. Yeah, itwas such shock. There's another time where
we meet this woman looked like acomplete idiot. Oh my god, I
forgot about this. We were walkingwith Bean Wench and Sammy and uh we're
(42:10):
We walked across the street and thenas we were walking, this woman started
calling me from behind. I turnedaround and she was like nope, no,
and then she's entered trash. Shecalls like a bag of dog shit
and she's like, no, no, you're not putting You're not gonna keep
putting this in my trash can.And I looked at her and I was
looking at it and I was like, that's not mine. Like I like
pulled my trash bag for the doggypoop out and I was like, my
(42:31):
bags are blue, that's not ours. And even then I was like,
I'll throw it away if you wantsure, and she was like no,
no, it's fine, it's fine. So she walks away and puts it
back in her trash and walks oway. He grabs her trash can and brings
it back in. Her issue wasit was trash day and she had just
gotten her trash picked up, andso she didn't want dog shit to be
the first thing dumped in her garbagecan. I don't know. I'm like,
(42:52):
it's fucking it's garbage anyway, smellingthat anyway, Yeah, open it
once a day maybe to put inthe trash, and then it's like,
walk away, Oh boohoo, You'regonna have dog shit in your trash can
for a week while other mountains ofgarbage you're gonna be on top of it
rotten food, and yeah, you'rebroken dildos. So yeah, it's just
(43:13):
like, don't be a bitch.Yeah, that was pretty Wild's moral of
the story of this whole entire episode. Don't be bit moral of the story.
Let me tell you a good one. Guys. Last week I made
enchiladas, right. I went tothe weeds store, and, Uh,
the guy who's the owner is reallyreally nice to me, and he'll always
say hi to me and he makessmall talk or whatever. And I told
him, I was like, oh, I made some enchiladas, and he's
(43:35):
like, oh man, I loveenchiladas. And I was like, okay,
well how about this. I'll goback to my place and I'll get
you some enchiladas and I'll bring himback over here. So I go home,
get the enchiladas, go back tothe store the next day, and
give him the enchiladas. And apparentlyhe was like six, so he was
like, oh my god. Hehad no idea that I was actually like
gonna come back. So I waslike, yeah, man, you know,
(43:55):
here you go. And he waslike, dude, hook her up.
Fourteen joints, guys, fourteen jointsfor ten dollars. That was the
biggest deal ever. I couldn't evenfucking believe it. I was like,
man, and so fast forward rightinto the future. Fast forward to today.
(44:15):
I go to the store to gopick up some more joints, and
he's not there. The owner's notthere, but his wife's there. And
his wife's like, oh my god, Oh, I have to tell you.
The owner loved your enchiladas. Hesaid, anytime we see you,
we will hook you up. Sothey gave me the same deal. Fourteen
joins for ten dollars, guys.The moral of the story is, feed
(44:37):
your dealers and they will hook youup unless your dealers witch. Who do
you relate more with Kenny or Spenny? Um? I feel like I can
be both, you know. Yeah, I feel like I could very easily
be built both. Like what withSonny, I'm definitely more like Kenny.
(45:00):
But uh, whenever I was akid, uh, and in high school,
I was like Spenny with Tom whenwe first met, where Tom the
mace would just like ship on meall the time. And it's because he
wouldn't let me join his Minecraft serverin the school library. But then we
both turned into Spennie and started griefingKenny, our new Spennie. And then
(45:24):
the cycle continues and I here weare, and it's I'm doing the same
things griefing Sonny's you know. Butguys, you should all check out Kenny
versus. Please watch the Octopus episode. You should all look up mister Chetta.
You you don't have to look atmister Chetta here is in three Yeah,
(45:45):
and UH join us next time whenuh letters, we'll read the po
bos. You guys have to sendthem asap because next week we're gonna read
some of your letters. But thenValentine's Day's coming out. Also guys,
for the Valnce Times Day Special,we have a very very special treat for
you guys. Stay tuned. Bennett
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