The Knuckles Show Makes Grown Men Cry

Today Mark and Veronica talk about the Knuckles Show and the fan out-cry, along with the AI Debate around Late Night with the Devil!

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0:00 The Knuckles Show Makes People Mad
33:19 Mail-Time
34:51 Late Night with the Devil

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Episode Transcript

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So the Knuckle Show has just comeout and and people are very very cross.
Everybody is a cry baby. Yeah, that's that's the conclusion. The
Knuckle Show is released, any Sonicfans, any Sonic fan that didn't get

(00:20):
what they expected, is crying likea fucking baby. Yeah, it's it's
it's this weird thing where it's like, these are the same people who really
like the first two Sonic movies,and to me, this is the same
thing. You know, like,in what world would you expect the Knuckle
series to have all these geame elementsin it, like Emmy and Mental Sonic
and Angel Island and stuff when themovies don't even have that stuff Like finding

(00:43):
out that Shadow is in Sonic Moviethree, right, like that was a
pretty big deal. Why would theyjust like fucking drop Rouge and Vector and
yeah, you know sbos. Peopleare like, well, this is the
time for them to introduce all,like the secondary characters so you don't have
to do all that in a movie. And to me, it's like that
just fine. Mentally, like ignoreis because everyone's saying this is like false

(01:03):
advertising. One, I'm pretty surelike they're writers, directors, producers.
Yeah, they've been They've been nothingbut like clear that this is meant to
be like a fun like dying timething, So why would they want to
introduce I would rather I was tellingyou the other day, I would rather
not be a Marvel situation where eventhe TV shows and the movies kind of
like they're necessary. There's like noblind blurred between them. You know.
It's like you have to watch theKnuckle series in order to watch Sonic Movie

(01:26):
three. Yeah, why would they? It's a kids thing as well,
on fucking Poermunt. Plus like ofcourse they wouldn't do that. So I
don't know why people expect because like, realistically, I think these people forget
sometimes that like the Sonic Movie stuffis for general audiences, which yeah,
means that like it. Obviously.It's not to excuse everything they do,
because I don't even like them thatmuch, But it's this weird thing where

(01:48):
it's like you are giving your suggestionsfrom the point of view of a Sonic
fan when you have to acknowledge therethis is made by a giant Hollywood studio
with Hollywood actors and Hollywood writers whoare not Sonic fans. But Sonic fans
are so entitled they think it's madefor them. Yeah, seriously, that
is not me for kids, andit's like cool, kids want to see
you like Sonic and Knuckles, andit's like kids also don't mind the human

(02:09):
stuff. Like I was gonna say, Wade was not that bad of a
character. I thought, shocking,right. I didn't want to say this
before the Knuckles Show came out becausein the first two Sonic movies, I
was consistently in my head like Ireally like him. I think he's like
but I never wanted to say itbecause everyone heeded the human stuff and in
those movies me imagine, imagine somebodywho hated Wade so much in the movies

(02:30):
and then the Knuckle series comes out. That's yeah, that's everyone who hates
Wade. I remember Veronica like viscerallystarted laughing. It's though we saw the
Sonic movie like twice, we sawit twice or the second one too,
and she only ever like the audiencewas pretty silent the whole time, and
the only time anyone ever left waswhat it was, Veronica, And it
was when like it was right atthe start of the movie when it was

(02:52):
like Sonic teals and weird in thebackground and sonics, getting like his backstory
and he's like turns steals and he'slike, there's doctor Ragman's teamed with this
guy called Knuckles, and we it'slike, you know, there, we
had a bully in elementary school calledKnuckles. If this is the same guy
then and then Veronica laughed really hardin the theater. He's so fun Knuckles.

(03:15):
You know, I knew it camein middle school named Knuckles. This
is the same Knuckles. We arescrewed. I feel like people who like
hate the Knuckles Show and they hateWade are like people who were just so
blinded by their expectations they couldn't justaccept it for what it was, which
was a slice of live comedy.And it's this weird thing where it's like
this is like a children's sitcom andit's like not really. I mean,

(03:38):
it's episodic, but it's not likeit's like it's people you learn a moral
or a lesson. Yeah, not, okay, you do, but it's
not like every episode is a lesson, every episode is a moral. Yeah.
I've seen people for a while beforethe Shoe came, it was only
clips. Everyone was like, yeah, this is just like fucking I Carly
level stuff, and it's like,what do you what do you want about?
You have a paraphone? Yeah,that's stupid. See. What I

(04:00):
really appreciate about the Knuckles Show isthat it clearly takes like the story of
Knuckles and they make it their ownand they're very creative about it. Yeah,
and you know, sure they takea whole episode where you don't have
Knuckles fighting or kicking butt or doingsomething on screen, but you get his
story, so it's still Knuckles related, Like it's not like it's just like

(04:20):
the Wade Show. To me,it's like, obviously, oh, of
course they're gonna find ways to nothave Knuckles in the show because it's expensive.
And people's response to that is like, well, make it animated,
or don't include all these like needledrop songs that you have to pay four
or don't have like Idris Elba orwhatever, like get a song to like,
And to me, it's like,but that's not what they want to

(04:42):
do with it. Clearly want tomake something consistent, And they released a
short for the second Sonic movie,a short like cartoon of Sonic Teels and
Knuckles when it was in like theDVD extras, for the second movie,
and it was like a five minuteshort and it was C CG but like
or agreed, and it was likelive action but there were no humans,
and it was like Sonic Teals andKnuckles in a jak yard fighting really yeah

(05:05):
yeah, fighting a robot. Andit was they got a little boy to
voice Teals even though kalein O Shaughnessyis not like a big Hollywood Oh,
it was really charming. And theanimation it's fantastic. It's really expressive.
Need to show me this. Yeah, and Knuckles isn't voiced by Idris Elba
and again Teals isn't voice by cleanO'Shaughnessy, And it's really distracting. It's

(05:25):
really like, this doesn't seem likedistrecting in the way of like I'm not
immersed as in this is like anactual thing that's happening in the Sonic Movie
universe, because none of these characterssounded like the characters I think, like
in a movie kind of thing.That's more important, too quiet, This
isn't the library. I swore anoath to return these sacred tones or Mattie

(05:45):
will be dishonored with lake Vies thanlike having a fucking Sonic Prime word.
Sonic Prime sucks. Yeah, youknow. Okay, Mark and I were
talking about this the other day becausewe'veen talking about the Knuckle Show a lot,
because we see a lot of peoplecrying online about it, and a
very good point that Mark brought upwas that my dad wouldn't sit down with
me and watch Sonic Prime or somethinglike Sonic Prime, like an animated Sonics

(06:08):
like series, but he would sitdown and watch the Knuckle Show. Yeah.
It's it's a thing where it's like, this is clearly not for kids,
but it's for our Sonic fans.It's for families. It's like everyone.
It's meant Yeah, it's meant tobe like dad, mom, boy,
girl, and yeah all sit dogchance, Yeah, the dog chance,
all sit down and watch the showtogether and have a hearty laugh.

(06:28):
And this stuff for the mums,the stuff for the dads, this stuff
for little boy and girl. Like, that's what it's meant to be.
And whether or not you think that'slike a good approach for a knuckle show,
that's fair. I'm just saying whatthey did do with it, I
thought was fine. I thought itwas charming. I don't understand why everybody
is so up in arms about it, because you still kind of get Knuckles
doing like fun just random life thingslike going to a bowling tournament, you

(06:48):
know what I mean. He's inthere a lot longer than I thought he
would have been from how people weretalking about it, where people were like,
yeah, Knuckles isn't even like inepisode two or three, and I
watched it, I was like,yes, like yeah, yeah, I
think they said like after three hejust disappears, and it's like, yeah,
that's not true. I agree thatin the last two episodes, Knuckle
should have had more. Knuckle shouldhave had at least like five minutes more

(07:10):
of screening. He shouldn't have beenthe b plot. Yeah, but I
don't. I don't think it's bad. I see. I think it's funny
when we have all this weird stuffgoing on and then we cut to Knuckles
sitting on the hotel bed just watchingTV and bars, Yeah, I think
that's funny like that. It's almostlike it's almost like their self aware.
And we kept saying that, likewhen stuff would happen when he's like walking

(07:31):
away from the dinner table during Shabbatdinner and he's like he's not a schmuck.
He's my dad. He's my dad. He says it in such a
way. We'll play right here ironic. It couldn't be. I don't know.
And I almost like that this ideathat the show almost like at least
the actors are not taking this seriously. You know, it's see and it's

(07:53):
so fucking creative and it's so fun. Yeah, actually like take the time
to have these really fun and dynamicshits, like the whole fight scene with
the mom during dinner. That was. I like the whole dream sequence when
Wede is trying to break knuckles outof the playffs and he's like hugging in
with the fireworks in the background andit's all like yeah that was like jumps
out of the car and it likeburns on fire in the background, Like

(08:15):
it's cool. Yeah, where it'slike yeah, everyone's like four is great.
Yeah, I thought it was great. And people see that and they're
like, I just wish you weremore serious or like it's not trying to
take itself seriously at all, AndI'm like this is like this would be
incredibly boring if it was seriously.Why does everybody want like a dark night

(08:35):
like television series of Sonic or Soniccharacters like you guys got that. It
was Sonic Frontiers. That was yourdark, dark serious whatever that focus on
life and death. Yes, sowhy can't we have the Silly Knuckles show?
Incredibly boring? It is incredibly boring. Oh my god do you have?
It was so fucking annoying here andyou play that game for like days

(08:56):
on end for your video, likeover and over and over, the like
god, the music, Rodgrig,Greg Smith's voice. I'm sorry, I
don't want to be like I feellike giving it so much. Pree As
will give the idea that like it'sthis thing where it's like I can acknowledge
or I went into it knowing thatit would not be what I wanted because
it's a Paramitte made thing that's likeclearly not eammed at Sonic fans, and

(09:18):
therefore I can go in with anopen mind to be like, well,
is this a good show on itsown? And the whole way through it
was like that's great, thoroughly enterteam. DIT was never like where's Knuckles,
where's the Sonic stuff? People werelike, yeah, Sonic teels and
Knuckles are only our Sonic and Tealsare only in the first ten minutes,
and it's like they told us theshow is called Knuckles. I was gonna
say. Also, in the beginningof the show, fucking Sonic sits Knuckles

(09:41):
down and explains to the audience howKnuckles needs to relax, how he needs
to find home. So why areyou expecting this fucking Knuckles epic when the
whole point is him settling down,yeah, and chilling, And then the
people's the whole response to that islike, well, why why are we
in the wrong for having wanted that? It's like, you're not in the
wrong for having wanted that, butthat's clearly not what this was trying to

(10:01):
do. I never promised that,and that's why I'm like, I can't
be man at this, you know, I can't be pissed off. So
the first movie had like Sonic doingfuck all Slice of Life Ship. The
first movie has Sonic sing on abed farting and he's like fishing, he
goes fishing or whatever. Yeah,Like he skateboards inside the house and like
lights the dog on fire. Yeah, you know, why can't we watch

(10:22):
Knuckles do that? Yeah? Thisis really like the Yeah, the Knuckles
version of the first Sonic Movie.Yeah, it really is. And I
like this more than the first.I like this more than Yeah, just
because the Second Sonic Movie was soconfused. I feel like the piercing was
really weird in the second movie.It really was started so fucking slow,
Knuckles. I was so sad thatKnuckles barely like had any screen time in

(10:45):
the Second Sonic Movie. Maybe notscreen time, but he didn't. He
didn't have any story. Really.Yeah, he's he's an accessory to Sonic.
He's like he might as well beMetal Sonic in that movie, you
know. Like you know what,though, I'm really you're to see what
they do with Wade and Knuckles forSonic Movie three, Like I'm really curious

(11:05):
we'll have anything across. Yeah,exactly, because I know it's not necessary
to watch the Knuckle series to watchSonic Movie three, but you hint towards
Yeah. I wan don't know ifthey're gonna they're gonna pay homage to that
at all. That would be fun. Yeah, I hear, I hear.
This Third Sonic Movie trailer is comingout in the next week or two.
Oh my god, I'm so excitedsee And because of the Knuckles Show,

(11:26):
and because Knuckles was hanging out withWade. Now Knuckles is like Terminator
from Terminator two where he picks upon the fun little catchphrases. So in
Sonic Movie three, maybe he'll havemore fun catchphrases. That's what. Yeah.
See, Knuckles says a lot ofcringey stuff and the stuff that would
be cringey in this show if itweren't delivered, and like in such a
dead pan wea that it's kind oflike funny to be that king. To

(11:46):
me, it's almost like, yeah, Knuckles as the character doesn't realize what
he's saying is cringey, you know. It's it's it's like in the first
Sonic Movie where Sonic's like you're likeVin Diesel and the Rock and you're like,
this is like Star Wars and it'slike do you know that? It's
like this is fucking cringey. Butthen the Knuckle Show where he is like,
oh, I only like groups andretos, like I think that's funny

(12:07):
because it's such like a simpleton.But he like, he likes, he
likes it. He's like a littlewench. He likes, he likes,
and he doesn't like but he doesn'tlike Yeah, And I think what bothers
me the most about the response tothe Knuckle Show is like, it's fine
if you don't like it, butit's the people saying that, like,
this is a travesty that needs tobe a dressed a Paramount. I think

(12:28):
it's really almost entitled in a wayto be like this show is not what
I wanted, and like this showis horrible, and therefore, like Paramount,
we should tell you that this isnot what we want. Whenever in
my head it's like this show.I think Sonic fans are in such a
bubble that they don't realize this showis like generally really well liked by most

(12:48):
people, and it's doing really well. Apparently it's always on the trending stuff
on Paramount. You know, it'sreally crazy how hard Sonic fans will like
want a really shitty game to belike like hype that up and how they'll
tear down whatever else they don't like, yeah, just because it's not in
the direction they want. You're hurtingyour own franchise when you do that,
like, you know, like whatthe fuck? Yes, see, my

(13:11):
thing is if Paramount want to dolike animated Sonic stuff in the future away
from the movie universe. Go forit, you know, that can be
its own thing, or even afterthe movie stuff is all the live action
stuff is all done. But Ithink it would be more jarring if we
had like a Knuckle show that haslike barely focused on any humans and it's
all Sonic characters running a wrong side. But like, this doesn't feel like

(13:31):
they're on it. I liked it, Knuckles just co habitating with people.
It wouldn't feel it just really wouldn'tfeel like the same as the movies.
And that's the whole point. It'sthe movie universe. Yeah, you know,
and this is what you guys liked, is what you want? You
know, why are you crying?All they've promised and it's just like Sonic
there's a new fucking Sonic show everyfive years, wit five years, and

(13:52):
you will get a new one allthe Sonic Prime and Knuckles that came out
pretty recently that which we're both Yeah, with Sonic fans, neither of what
I feel like. Who the Sonicfans who like Sonic Prime and like Knuckles
like all like so divided. Yeah, they're very controversial. It's just because
I think it's just because we've neverhad a Sonic TV show that feels like

(14:13):
it is from the games. SonicX I think is the closest they got.
But even then, even then,it's a completely like separate continuity.
You know, Yeah, it wasvery different, but I think you're never
gonna get that because Sega don't wantto cross contaminate at their different projects.
I was gonna say, they alsoare just not clever enough to pull that
off. No, No, they'renot coordinated enough. No, they're really
not Sega. Sega seems so muchlike the company to be like here is

(14:35):
Sonic, do what you want,not enough to be like, okay,
you're doing this with Sonic, sowe'll plan ahead and do this like to
match up with it. Like they'renot overseeing like the Paramount stuff, like
they're overseeing. They're like not makingsure that they have like games they're gonna
follow up as that like it allbe Cannon. There's no like Sega like,
oh we should have like an episodein here we're Knuckles tries to protect
the master em world and then paramit'slike fuck, no, we're doing the

(14:56):
dinner. It's like no, Segais like there's not make the Knuckle show
as long as it makes money,we don't give a shit, you know,
yeah seriously, and people like it, you know, like people like
it. So let me ask youthis, what do you think about the
people who are bleeding the world issueswith so like that only goes to show

(15:16):
your own lack of intelligence in myopinion, that people are like, oh
my god, all the Jewish stuff, like is this poorly time? Like
couldn't they have like done this consideringthe time? And it's like, okay,
well, Paramount, you really hadto pick a side. Yeah yeah,
yeah, like that where it's likeI was saying to you the other
day, where it's like it's likethese people don't realize that the Palestine Israel

(15:37):
thing has been going on for longerthan like a couple of months more.
Yeah, it's like they're acting asif this has only happened like recently this
year, and it's it's like orthat for whatever reason, they would need
to make their opinions known through theSilly Knuckles Show. Yeah, yeah,
seriously, and also as if,like Paramount Riders two years ago are like,
okay, we have to make surewe don't include any Jewish stuff to

(15:58):
get in Keys, there's a thingwith Palestine, and it's like, it's
fine if you want to. Ifyou watch that and you're like, this
makes me uncomfortable. But if youwatch that and you're like, how the
fuck could they do this, it'slike you're just trying to find something to
be upset about. Yeah, yeah, point, you're taking un necessary things
that have nothing to do with theSilly Knuckle Show and then getting mad at
the Silly Knuckles Show. Yeah,it's just Sonic fans with the Knuckle Show

(16:21):
really seem incredibly entitled to me.And I think that's as I was saying
to you before we were recording.I think it's just they changed. They
got Paramount to change the design HWby crying enough, which was fair,
that was a bad thing. Theygot them to change all the posters to
include Teal's voice actress, which isa good change, but they got that
by crying about it. And theKnuckle Show, I think, is something

(16:45):
that's so far our moved from whatthey would want, and they feel like
because of that, they have suchlittle involvement or connection with it that it's
like something is wrong. We needto tell Paramount right now that something's like
like the paramount executives are like,oh my god, they didn't enjoy the
knuckle show. The Sonic fans they'regonna look at the fucking rotten tomatoes and
see that it's got a fresh thing. They're gonna see that it's like the
top rated of Parry Went plus thing. They're going to like people people like

(17:07):
this same hey. But I liketo also argue that morally they had to
add Cleanna Shaughnessy's name onto the postersfor Sonic movie. Yeah, like that's
just that's just a given. That'slike, okay, my bad, That's
what I'm saying. Changes. Butthe first one, the first one of
all the Sonic fans crying to changethe design, that's also a given.
Yeah, you know what I mean. I feel like both of those things

(17:30):
are circumstantial. It not like notsolely influenced by Sonic fans crying, and
because they they think that they wereinfluenced by Sonic fans crying, because Sega
like goes, we took your inputand we made those changes, you know
what I mean? Yeah, yeah, let me yeah, I guess I'll
refreeze. Because it's it's interesting topoint out that if Paramount released the first

(17:51):
Sonic movie trailer with the ugly lookingSonic and all the Sonic fans were like,
this is disgusting, this is horrible. Change this, But the general
public were like, that looks cool. I'll see that. It wouldn't have
changed. Look at that. Lookat the Ninja Turtles movie by paramund where
they all look like gross Johnny Knoxvillecreatures. You know, they never changed
that after all the fans. BecauseI was a kid and I didn't know
what a ninja Turtle was, andI went and saw the movie and was

(18:12):
like that's good, Like that moviewas good. I was like, I
was like, fucking is that yourfirst Ninja Turtle movie. I never liked
the Ninja Turtles as a kid.It seemed kind of like Liam to me.
My first Ninja Turtle movie was theI think two thousand and eight The
CG One Yes, and they hada really cool scene with Leonardo and Raphael

(18:33):
and they both fight on top ofthe rooftops and it's so dramatic and the
thunder and everything, and Rafael breaksLeonardo's swords or whatever. Whoa dude,
Oh my god. I remember beinglike, oh my god, Leonardo is
so hot. Which one's the blueone, the green one? What do
you mean they're all green. Paramoidonly changed the ugly Sonic design because it

(18:55):
was universally disco criticized and like itwas on the Conan and like all these
talk shows of people making fun ofit and the audience are laughing and how
bad it looks. That's why theychanged it. Not because Sonic fans,
Yeah, not because Sonic Boy twoseven four video crying about it. You
know. It's like, I thinkit's really really insane the people who are
screaming into the ether about it endlesslyand getting in fights with people on Twitter

(19:19):
about it and just like making YouTubevideos and crying about it like it's just
a silly little knuckle show dude.And it's like, you really think the
fate of Sonic is like in thehands of evil, like corporate Paramount Plus,
Like, yeah, I think it'sjust like, at the end of
the day, Sonic is a productthat, yeah, be sold to children

(19:41):
and general audience and new audiences.Yeah yeah, And and trying to act
like the knuckle show it should beanything more than that is like that's just
wishful thinking. Yeah, that's justthat's a that's a you problem. Yeah,
that is not a paramount plus problem. Or it's like, I would
love a geem accurate Knuckles show inthe style of those Sonic Frontiers short animations
they did on YouTube. What ifthey made one that was made by Ken

(20:03):
Penders. That'd be pretty He gotreally mad at the Knuckles show, did
he? He was like, that'snot Knuckles. Knuckles isn't a warrior,
He's a guardian. It's like,what else did you have to say about
it? I'm pretty sure that wasit said? It wasn't accurate. Is
the Grandpa the grandpa? No?Yeah, the Grandpa is the chief?
Is that his design? No?That was from Sonic Adventure. See.

(20:25):
I what I enjoyed most about theKnuckles series was just how much of a
like fun time. It seemed likeit all was. I had a lot
of fun, And I know,yeah, we're spending a lot of this
this Knuckles discussions talking about the fansreaction to this and not really the show
itself. But it's just because allI can say is that I was watching
it and I was like, thisis fun. I'm having fun with this.
This is creative. It's not boringlike the fucking first Sonic movie where

(20:47):
it's like twenty minute shot reverse shotsof Tom Metti sing at the table I
love you, You're my best husbandever and I love you too. And
it's fun that all the shots aregreat Saw isn't it. Yeah, dude,
doctor Gordon from Saws in it.Yeah. The the editing is really
cool. I like cartoony it is. I like the little business card he

(21:07):
starts talking to the camera. Iloved the musical episode. That was really
great. The Shabbat dinner is thebest episode in the entire series. So
that's episode three. See. It'sfunny because when we were watching episode four,
the more kept going. A partof me was even like this is
too sonic e for me, Likewhen they have Knuckles in Angel Island,
are weird as knuckles and Angel Island, but whatever, it turns into like

(21:29):
the Sonic two special stages where it'slike and the bombs are everwhere, and
I'm like, that's just that's justsonic iconography for the sake of sonic iconography,
because this is like, no,you have to like kind of you've
implied that the special stages, likeabstract like futuristic zones are can into some
universe like to Sonic's world, andit's more so just like, oh,

(21:51):
you're just throwing stuff in. Thisis your chance to throw in Sonic stuff,
and like Ibliss too, where it'slike, oh, like it's cool
that it's Ibliss. But if thiswere just a like a generic fire god
and it wasn't called the Flames ofDisaster, which is what it was called
Sonica six, no one would care. Yeah, And so in that aspect,
I'm like, oh, you're justkind of like throwing a bunch of
Sonic stuff together for the sake ofreferences, where I would have rather be

(22:14):
more like I though the musical wasfun, like it didn't eat all that.
I think the musical was great.I think how they My only criticism
of it really was just that Ifeel like the backing track wasn't punchy enough.
It wasn't like rock opera opera yenough. No. What I what
I really appreciated the most that wasthe puppetry and the costume. I really
liked the little ruppet knuckles, allof the owls that were dancing behind Wade

(22:36):
when they call him a loser,Like that whole segment is fucking great.
I also realized, or I didn'trealize it, but someone on Twitter pointed
out, which I thought was aclever writing thing. Is that when it
Knuckles weird ass, Knuckles is gettinglike when he like loses to the iblist
monster and they're calling him like unworthyor like unskilled or like a three words

(22:56):
like that, like repeated and theykeep repeating it. Those are the three
words the Knuckles uses to insult Sonicand the second Sonic one. Really when
he needs them. I'm pretty sureat the hottest he calls them all three
of those. That is so cool. I'm like, oh no, we
know, like Knuckles is like projectinglike that's that's a fun thing. That's

(23:18):
his Like, oh my god,that is so fun. See, I
love Knuckles. That's what I likeabout this Sonic movie universe. I like
that it is kind of self continuedto itself, and it's it's not like,
oh, we're not gonna have it'snot acting embarrassed by the human stuff,
like people don't like the human stuff. We're gonna throw that a wet
Now. It's like, okay,we'll have the human stuff, but we'll
make them more fun. We'll havethem be like like entertaining and have them
interacting with the animal character. Iwould much rather have the wig human stuff

(23:41):
from Knuckles than the gosh fucking damnmarriage wedding bullshit from Sonic Movie too.
Yeah right right at the start ofthe third fucking act climax or everything that
the world is about to be striking, give a fuck about this bit?
Who is catfish? Like, Idon't care, you know what? Which
is just what ever? Okay,yeah whatever, But dude, how they

(24:03):
handled it and Knuckles is fucking awesomebecause it's related to Knuckles, And I
was explaining to Mark that it's kindof like Ted. It's Knuckles is like
the Sonic version of Ted, wherethey're just hanging out minus the weed.
Although I would love to see,yeah you, I would love to see
them to do mushrooms. Remember theytalked about magic mushrooms. Yeah, see
you no paramount. Recently we're like, oh, we're gonna do the Shadow,

(24:26):
a Shadow spinoff. We're interested thatit was so awesome. They didn't
say if it was a movie ora show, But now Sonic fans like,
don't fucking do this. We don'tGod, but imagine if they did
it and it's with him and Mariaand it talks about everything. Yes,
it was like everything before, likeit would I know it wouldn't, but
that would be fucking cool. Yeah, I'm I'm just excited to see them

(24:48):
expand more on the Sonic movie universe, even if it's not what a Sonic
like movie should have, because aslong as it's good on it sound,
I don't care. And this ideapeople have where it's like I don't trust
any Sonic prod jack now are inthe movies unless it's like Jeff Farler's involved,
and it's like he Jeff Fowlers aproducer in The Knuckle Show. Yeah,
he was like a producer from prettymuch everything. And people are like,

(25:10):
well, he only directed the firstepisode and that was the best one,
so of course, like and it'slike that's the best episode. Do
you think that he like me atthe first episode of the Knuckles Show being
like I want Knuckles and Sonic andTeals and I want to put them in
all the episodes and have about Knuckles, but oh, I don't have the
time. I can only do theone episode. So then the next rider
comes in and is like I wantto do the bowling tournament, like though
it was clearly like all developed witheach other and they decided who would be

(25:33):
best fitted to like do whatever episode. Yeah, it's not some situation where
Jeff Fowler's watching the show and he'slike, what the This isn't what I
was gonna do at all. It'slike no, Yeah, it's just so
like it's so not aware of likehow ship works. And again that whole
thing about like not understanding that thisshit is written like years in advance.
The Knuckle Show was in production wellbefore the Second Sonic Movie even came home.

(25:57):
I was gonna say, they startedtalking about The Knuckle Show before the
Sonic Movie two came out. Yeah, so you know, and you guys
are all stoked about it then,yeah, nice little Sonic fans, all
you Sonic fans out there. Yeah, and I'm sure some people are gonna
be like, oh, well,like you're just it's this mindset that you're
kind of defending something that is likeproblematic for the future of Sega or Sonic

(26:22):
series. Yeah. Or I wasgonna say, like kind of middle of
the road where it's like it's thisthing of why is it wrong to want
something to be more sonicy? Andit's like, you're not wrong for wanting
that, but this show and thismovie universe has never given that expectation,
So I don't know why you wouldexpect it now and why you wouldn't just
try to like view it as whatit's trying to do instead of what you
like. If someone watched that andwas like that was boring and that wasn't

(26:45):
funny and I didn't like that,I'd like, that's fair. But if
it's like this show should have beenEmmy and Middle Sonic and Angel Island and
it's like, well, no,that's just a different thing altogether. You
want yeah, like like you're notyou didn't see that in Sonic Movie one.
You didn't see that in Sonic Movietoo. Would the Knuckles series people
like, well, should be calledWeired and Knuckles, And then to me,
it's like, but everything has tobe one word. But also,

(27:06):
nobody wants to watch Wade and Knuckles. They want to watch Knuckles, so
they want to watch Knuckles, andthen they want to watch Knuckles and be
charmed by Weed along the way exactlyexactly exactly like we were. Oh my
god, dude, I just wantto hang out with them. It was
so much fun. It was somuch fun, and they had fun action
sequences too, and they had prettylike high stakes. It was you know,

(27:29):
it was pretty cool. And there'sjust two of like people being like
there wasn't any Sonic music in it. They just used all his licensed songs.
Like all of the song selections werefucking fantastic. Yeah. I never
felt the songs ever took me off. My only criticism of the music is
that they used the Warrior as theintro song, but then by the end
of the series, when Knuckles finallyshows Dutch my job, it's to that

(27:52):
song, and then they use itas a credit song. So they use
that song way too much, soby the time Knuckles realizes that that's the
song he liked, it's like,well, we heard his favorite song like
seven times already. Yeah, youknow, and I get what they're doing
with that, but it is kindof it's just repetitive. But other than
that, there was no time whereI heard him piece of music in this
and I'm like, that doesn't fit, you know. Yeah, I know.
All of it was fucking great.Yeah, all of it was fucking

(28:15):
great. And it's this thing oflike, why do you want the game
music and it's like, well,because it's Sonic stuff, and it's like,
but why other than like it's that, it's that thing where it's like
it's just it's like iconography. It'sjust seeing something you recognize, and it's
like I want Sonic music, andit's like you can listen to son But
this is my thought is, whywouldn't you want Knuckles to listen to run
DMC. Why wouldn't you want tohear like Knuckles jam out to the Warrior?

(28:36):
You know? Why isn't that coolto you? I was gonna say
to me, that's kind of likealmost the the the one of the only
appeals of having this movie universe belike live action with humans and stuff is
that you're seeing the Sonic characters interactwith the real stuff. Yeah. Like,
I'm sorry to say, Sonic fans, you don't turn on the radio
and hear Unknown from Emmy from SonicAdventure, you know like that, So

(29:00):
if they I guarantee you, ifthere's a scene in this where when Knuckles
turn on the radio and they hearthe Pumpkin Hill rap, general audiences at
home would be like what what,what the fuck? Who the this?
Yeah? This is really Cringey likethat, and those are the people this
is appealing to, and this isthe old people that they have. They've
only ever been clear that that isthe people they are appealing to general Normy's.

(29:21):
You know what that reminds me iswhen you watch Five Knights at Freddy's
the movie and you see Corey Kenchinin the end with the bloom boy yeah,
and it's like general audiences like,who the fuck? I don't know
who the fuck that is, youknow what I mean? Or Matt Pat
where he's like it's just a theory. Like if I watched that and I
didn't know Matt Pat, I'd belike, why why they've got so much
focus on Why the fucker do Ineed to give a shit about him?
Does he come back later? No? You know exactly, And it's just

(29:42):
like, Okay, that's the fansurface stuff that would kind of general audiences
would be taken out of and it'sjust little things. It's just little things.
So it's like, why would youexpect to hear sonic music always playing
in the background at anytime there's musicin the Knuckles show, It's not gonna
happen. It's also people kind offorgetting I think what a score is meant
to be four. It's not meantto be something like it's not meant to

(30:03):
be something catchy that you're like,oh, what's that in the background playing,
you know, like they whether ornot you should have something it should
it should say the situation, emphasize, yeah, the emotions of the scene.
And therefore I don't really mind thatthe it's like generic orchestra overplaying,
like a fucking rendition of Green RedMind from Sonic Yeah One Adventure one.

(30:25):
It's just it's all this stuff whereit's like I would like more Sonic stuff.
I would like Sonic music and thisstuff. I would like this stuff,
But is it like necessary for agood show? Now, Like that's
that should be like the Sprinkle onTop like the Mario movie. Or it's
like, is the Mario movie anyworse because they play all the licensed music?
I don't think so. Like,but if it were, if it

(30:45):
were Mario music all the way through, like the Donkey Kong thing that they're
scrapped it, like that would addto it, but it wouldn't make the
movie any better. That's different becauseit's not Mario in the real world.
Yeah, that's why I think thatthat fits better having the Marrio music,
and also, sorry brick to youSonic fans, but the Mario theme is
incredibly more iconic, Like like,yeah, old people know the Mario theme.

(31:10):
Old people don't know Green Hill Zone, you know. Yeah, but
old people know the Sonic ring soundbecause of seven elevens. Yeah, and
so they have it all the time, and so they have it in the
show. It's a lot of peopleknow about Sonic. He's blue, he's
a hedgehog. He has the shoesand rings, he has the rings.
So what the show has They haveSonic. They have shoes and they have
the rings. That's all they have, you know, because that's all.

(31:30):
That's all. They're plucked from thegames. And it's like, is that
a problem. Yeah, But doesthat make the media automatically bad? I
don't think so. Mark, carefully, you can get crucified. I can't
believe. Yeah. I didn't thinkI'd be put in this position where I'm
defending like the Sonic movie universe becauseI don't like the Sonic movies. But
the Knuckles Show is good. Isgood because it was fun and charming,

(31:52):
and that's all like I would wantout of like a two hour show where
it's like, if this were amovie, I would get it. That's
fine if you I wouldn't like iteither, But because it's a series,
it's broken up and paced well.And then then make it clear to establish
this is just like dyn time.This is just like a silly filler fillers

(32:15):
And to me, it's like,why could you be upset? And it's
like, well, we have toshow paramount that we want, like more
Sonic. You're going to get whatyou want from Sonic Movie three, you
fucking baby, Like you're literally gonnaget what you want. Yeah. I'm
seeing a lot of people too,being like I'm actually after the Knuckle Show,
I'm so worried about Sonic Movie three, and it's like what are you

(32:36):
on a bye? Like what areyou saying? Do you think this is
like Okay, the Knuckle Show wasreleased, let's get to work on Like
Sonic Movie three was in production probablywhen The Knuckle Show was starting, and
it's a completely different team who arenot working on it at the same time,
you know, like except for acouple of people like Jeff Filer coming
back and forth. All right,Mark, Yeah, Yeah, we've exhausted

(32:59):
okay, mark Baba Boois out ofBaba Boois. What do you give the
Knuckle Show? Michael Show was asolid seven, A solid seven I give
the Knuckle Show and nine point fiveBaba booies. It was very, very
fun and time watching it. Yeahall right. Next up on our list
is here's the mail and never fails. It makes me want to wag my

(33:22):
towel when it comes. I wantto wham. So this is from Nearessa.
Yeah, they messaged me about this. I'm sorry again, taking a
cell on. We'll get back toweekly uploads eventually. Yeah, we are
now well Brian talking whoa, Ididn't even know this. Yeah, I

(33:45):
didn't know this was the thing either. Seven great Brian freezes. Listen to
Brian talk to you. See,so we have two dog balls to do.
Give this to wench locks inside.That's crazy. It's like Brandon.
That's like a season one like Brian. Right there, I guess we'll take
a five. Actually, oh mygod, what does it say? This

(34:07):
is? This is so low quality. Don't make me beg low quality?
What do you mean this is highquality? I mean like the way it's
printed, like the text on there. It's so hard to make Yeah,
it's like we'll put that in ourin our seventies room. Yeah yeah,
wow, thank you so much.Thank you for the gift, for the
beautiful gift and the Brian on thebox. Guys, if you would like

(34:30):
send stuff to our po box tobe opened on a future episode. We
opened boxes at the end of everymonth whenever we would do upload weekly.
He's string directly at the camera.Make him do a little dance. People
listening to this, you're missing onit, Yeah, you really are.
Okay, there's been a lot ofcontroversy lately over ai US. Right,

(34:52):
we've all heard this discourse. We'vetalked about podcasts. Yeah, so the
latest discourse was the ai I usedfor Late Night with the Devil, which
is a new horror film that's beenreleased to like Shutter or something, yeah,
on streaming, and he canceled thattrial. Marky made a subscription to
Shutter a year ago when we werewatching Chucky and he never canceled it.

(35:14):
No, I did. I wegot the seven de free trial. This
time I thought you didn't cancel it. Oh, this time I definitely did.
I think definitely need to cancel it. Okay, So Mark first,
first off, right, off thebat, what was the one thing that
appealed to you about this film?See, we watched the trailers and I
didn't have much interest in it,just because I didn't. It seemed like

(35:35):
one of those things that I wouldhave found a lot more interesting if it
seemed more committed to its ideas andnot so focused on making its concept palatable
for a general audience. Where it'ssupposed to be the master tap of an
old seventies talk show where a bunchof spooky stuff happens, like ghost Watch

(35:57):
from the BBC. And so Iwas really put off by the fact that
it looks like a YouTube video,you know. See it's filmed digitally and
it's a really high resolution, butthey add this awful filter to make it
seem like it's like an old tapedrecording. But the filter looks like when
you go on premiere and you adda b A sic VHS like color effect.

(36:22):
The actually like a chromatic abrasion.Yes, And so it looks too
crisp and clean, like I canmake the fucking like lighting on is there's
no grain, there's no film graineffect to add it to it. You
don't see the film like wavering atall, if it's something that had been
there's like almost destroyed. There's acouple couple times in the movie where they

(36:42):
do have like the little like bluelegs, but it looks so awful and it's
so quick that it makes you feellike you're blinking in it's also like only
in the beginning and like the ending, or in certain transitions when they use
the AI images for these transitions,And for me, it's one of those
things where it's like, normally thatshouldn't be enough to like ruin whole movie,
but it's like, that is yourmovie. Yeah. The whole point
of the film is that it isa found footage film, so it's supposed

(37:06):
to be old and degraded from theseventies. No less so the more unrealistic
you make it, the more itmakes these more mundane things that if it
were happening in real life, wouldbe terrifying. It makes me go,
oh, there's just a boring movie, you know. So a lot of
the cig that they used in thismovie come off really really fuck it well,
and it would have it would havebeen better with the filter, yeah,
filter, it would have disguised hordbattle looks. It would have made

(37:28):
a little creepy. It would havehad that skinn rink effect where, yeah,
we already talked about skinmer ring wastoo much. The skinner rink was
too much with such little happening inthe movie, But it would have had
that effect of like not being ableto fully make like at the end when
the girls like had splits in half, if that wasn't so like high quality

(37:49):
where you could see like all theugly CG like glow effects and stuff,
and it was more so just likewhat the fuck's happening there? Like this
so funky? You want to getthat effect like am I seeing what I'm
seeing? Ye? Know what Imean? Is this what I'm really seeing?
Her head split in half? Andit would have been it seems like
because I noticed it was really creepycringey in the movie where when the little
girl is introduced and she's always staringat the camera and like the camera will

(38:13):
switched to a different shot and she'lllike turn her head and like stare at
that camera too, And for me, that would have been a lot.
It's laughable because she has like agoofy theist. Yeah, but it would
have been creepy if it had likea low quality like fuzzy V has effector
on it, because then it wouldbe like she's staring at the camera right
now, like what's going like isthat is she looked like? I also
think it would have been better ifher staring at the camera would would be

(38:34):
something that would always be going onin the background. Yeah, it's only
just at the start. Yeah,it's only in the beginning. But I
also feel like that girl's performance wasreally unbelievable. Yeah, in a good
way, Like I just was not. She took me right out of it.
For a girl like in the Sandieswho was like possessed by a devil,
who's supposed to be like really kindof shy and timid, but she's
just like she she talks like she'sacting, yeah, thank you. She

(38:59):
doesn't have that kind of cadence thatmost younger girls did in the seventies,
a delicate yeah way of speaking,very like I always think southern, like
a southern bell, very lady like, yes, exactly, But she talks
a little too casual, which Idon't really buy. Also, like the

(39:20):
whole movie begins with giving you ahistory lesson about the main character who is
the host of the show, likethe Jimmy Carter Jimmy Kimmel, I mean
of the show, and you're notreally you're kind of like, oh,
okay, this is exposition, exposition, exposition. And then as things unfold
and certain things from the main character'spast comes up in the show as the

(39:42):
show is going on, but hewas playing yeah, mostly yeah, his
wife dying of cancer. They don'tthey yeah, they don't elaborate on any
of that. They don't really giveyou the understanding of the weight that the
character should be feeling. It's likeall very superficial because it's all it was
all exposition. Yeah, the wholeida kind of are the whole driving forces
that he's desperate for readings, andhe knows this is his like last real

(40:06):
shot because everyone thinks he's kind oflike a has been hotel and everyone kind
of wants him to uh throw inthe towel that keeps saying and so this
is his way of being like,no, no, no, I'll put
on like the most spectacular show ever. And so it's this idea of him
flying too close to the sun wherethe girl, the caretaker of the possessed
girl, is like, I don'twant to like I don't want to do

(40:28):
a thing right now with her.I don't want to like bring the demon
out of her as like a partytrick for your show. And he's like,
well, come on, do it, and she's like okay, But
I don't think they drove home enoughthat he's like kind of going like he's
desperate for he's getting more and moredesperate over time. He just kind of
is the seeming kind of attitude thewhole way where it's like, well,
come on, you know, let'sdo it. You know. Yeah,
he's very like you don't see anyof his ego bleed through his actions in

(40:52):
the show. Yeah, his actionsspecifically, because there's I'm just remembering there's
that one moment where it's him andlike his sidekick on the talk show where
they walk off set and he startssmoking and the other guy's like, I
don't know if we should do likea seance on this thing, and he's
like, shut the fuck up,like we have that, Like we're doing
that, and it's like him,I wanted more of that. I wanted
the moment where that side of himbricks on camera live in front of everyone.

(41:15):
You know, you know, whatwould have been what is a really
good comparison with kind of that kindof chaos where it's you're you're desperate,
you're trying to put on the show. Everything's on the line Birdman. Yeah,
the desperation, the desperation and thestruggle in Birdman was not shown in
something like Late Night with the Devilwhen that's what you're supposed to believe is
going on. I was also thinkingof, I don't remember the name of

(41:37):
this movie, you do, though, which one? The John c Riley
one where it's the kids fighting,uh oh oh word vengeance or no,
it's carnage carnage, which is anodd example, but that whole idea of
putting on a FEUs and like kindof putting this image of yourself out there,

(41:59):
and then over the course of themovie you see that like facade kind
of go away and they're getting moreand more, they're getting so frustrated and
kind of like fat app that they'reletting that side of them that they don't
like showing people like come on andhim. He is in like the perfect
position for that to have such likean impactful moment in the movie because he's
like live to an audience of ona crowd who like really likes him,

(42:22):
and you were saying earlier that theyreally don't do enough with the crowd.
Explaining to Mark, I was like, why didn't they use the audience as
something as an indicator for the actualviewer, like the audience slowly leaving,
the audience slowly booing, getting angry, getting restless and laughing at his joke.
Yeah, or you show like cutto the audience and they're kind of
like all like kind of straightforce andboard or like scared, or all you

(42:45):
get is a couple of gaps whenthe they don't do anything. They're a
proped. The audience is a propwhen the audience should have been the reflection
of the viewer how you should feel, how how this is like what is
really going on? You know,which therefore add into his desperation when he's
like trying to entertain an audience whoare not entertained anymore, and he's kind
of like, oh, fuck,you know, but that never happens.

(43:07):
No, they don't, because everythingthat was see and this is why,
like now I don't know, Okay, they used AI. They were too
lazy to pay high higher artists tomake actual like stills for them as they're
in between and it was background.It was like three pictures. They would
have been like a couple, likefive hundred bucks, yeah to a good

(43:28):
internet artist. But whatever, right, like that's that's awful, and it's
like okay, whatever, But theyalso that is a shortcut they took.
They took shortcuts in a lot ofdifferent angles of this movie, be it
the writing, the visuals, andalso just how they used what they had,
like the audience, the guests ontheir show. They didn't really utilize

(43:50):
the time they had because the pacingwas really off and weird. He's too
repetitive where it's like little segment he'soff at the side, a little short
segment he's with the side, alittle ship segment, he's off at the
side, and it's like do somethingup until the very end, up until
like the end of the third actwhere all of a sudden, all the
shit happens all at once. Yeah, like I want to say, in
the span of like not even fiveminutes. Yeah, I was gonna say,

(44:13):
is that the whole thing about like, oh, they're not utilizing the
audience for this like narrative purpose,So they're not doing this with him to
like really purcha his character and allthat is because the response would be,
well, it's meant to be realistic, it's meant to be believable. This
actually happens, so of course allof this narrative stuff wouldn't be as apparent.
But I'm like, but you alreadyfeel on the fundamental level of having
your thing look like it could actuallybe real, and so you might as

(44:35):
well just like have it being writtenlike an actual fucking thing. And it
already doesn't work by the end ofthe movie, when everything gets all wacky
and you're seeing like dream sequences orlike imagination things, and it's like,
oh, so you are willing tocut away from there, You are willing
to cut into real time, youknow. But then it's also a thing
where he's tripping out and he doesn'tknow what his real reality is at the

(44:57):
point, and then all of asudden it just switches and there's reality and
then it ends. It does Itdoesn't really make sense, and it doesn't
make sense how the footage, likehow the footage would have been handled,
like what had really happened after theshow, Like they don't really explain anything
like that. They don't explain wherehe is now it's just like, oh,
this happened because they make an effortat the start of the movie to

(45:19):
be like, this is a masterrecording that was found of that event,
and then but later on we're seeinghim imagining, seeing his dad wife in
the recording studio with him, andit's just like, but then they also
explained, like the whole history lessthan the beginning of the fucking movie,
that's not part of the master recording. That was to give you information,
and then they show you the masterrecording, So why didn't they give you

(45:42):
the information after the chain of events? Yeah, you brought up a good
point where you were saying, Hi, the movie should have like had more,
It should have taken Yeah, theplace over the course of a couple
months and showing him building up tothat one night where he pushes things too
far where you're seeing him him likeat the start, that whole part of

(46:02):
the whole opening, the five minutesof them kind of doing a little documentary
about his show and his life.I feel like that should have been the
first of the movie of the movie, Yeah, is us seeing him like
kind of shows rise and now you'reseeing him like find try to find different
ways to like circumvent his show gettingcanceled despite his wife having cancer and dying.

(46:28):
Yeah, in which you could havealso built up his relationship with the
guardian of the girl. And obviouslyshe's gonna be talking about like I'm writing
a book about this girl who isthe possessed or whatever I do seances on
her and here's the audio, andhe's like, wow, that's really like
I would love to have you onthe show sometime, and she's like no,
no, And then as he getsmore desperate, the more he starts
pushing her to let like to tolike cross that line and have her come

(46:52):
on the show, in which wejust see everything spectacularly, like blow up
in his field, in which theending of him standing there and everys dad
and the audience has gone. He'sjust standing there looking around and shock.
I feel like that would have beenway more impactful because you're already you already
lost the realism in your way ofdoing it, so it's just like just
making it well, just mak Yeah. Honestly, I think that would have

(47:14):
been so much more appealing seeing thedownfall, like the crack, the cracks
folding from a man who tried toso high. Yeah, but it just
they wanted to be a fine footagething, and I just think that really
ruins it. You know, itstill could have been a good movie as
a found footage thing, but it'slike where they allocated their time and budget

(47:35):
to and like, like I said, they took a lot of shortcuts.
It seemed like they took a lotof shortcuts with like the filter, certain
effects, how they want things tolook in the end, the AI stuff.
You know, it's just like,oh, so, how many Babba
buoys at a Babba booies? Doyou give that one mark? I give
like a four out of ten.It wasn't horrible, Like I wasn't.
I was never like, ahm,would you watch it again? No?

(47:58):
Never, but never maybe a threethen damn. I just think it wasn't
a terrible movie. It just kindof feeled on the most fundamental level.
And I think that just kind ofdismantled the whole thing before it even had
the chance to start. See Ikind of want to watch it again,
really, I want to watch itagain to see to pick up on things
I missed. Yeah, maybe itis. It's like, yeah, because

(48:22):
like the Butterfly, well, theButterfly effect is just fucking fantastic all the
way through. But it's one ofthose things where this clearly, like Late
Night with the Devil, clearly hasa lot of different things that maybe we
weren't paying enough attention to or thefirst time. Yeah, and it's it's
not due to incompetence, I thinkany stuff. It's just people. People
are really liking this movie how it'sexecuted. I just yeah, I just

(48:43):
think literally a better fucking VHS filterand I would have been like thoroughly And
you mentioned butterfly effect. I realizedthe other day someone commented on my letterbox
thing, on my butterfly effect thingfrom like a year ago, being like,
didn't you say we talk about thison your podcast? And I was
like, we're supposed to talk aboutit on our podcast, but you know

(49:04):
what I was gonna say, Iwant to talk about on our podcast,
but I want Mark to play Lifeis Strange first, because they're the same,
dude, the same, They're thesame. Yeah. Or came into
town and we showed him the butterflyEffect and he oh it, he loved
it. It blew his fucking mind, and so he kept Yorick was the

(49:27):
one being like wait a minute,does my life is strange? And there
were so many things where I'm like, fuck, you're right, So now,
dude, you gotta play life isstrange. Gotta play it. Oh
you can sit around in a rankall these fucking Sonic games, but you
can't. Yeah, but you're doingthis for a video. I guess,
so you got to play a milliongames. Kim hearts on it. What

(49:51):
a nightmare? No, it's cool, you know, leon I was the
devil. It was fine. Iwould give it three point five ababa buoize
at about booze with a rewatchability ofzero, just kid, Yeah, but
I don't want to. But Ijust don't care enough. That's fair.
I feel like it's a thing whereit's like I could probably get more out

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of this if I rewatched it,but I just don't care enough. You
know, it didn't hook me.I just I'm you know what it is.
I want it to be so good. I want to like it.
I want to like it a lotbecause it has all of the pieces there.
It's just how it's assembled. It'slike, yeah, and it's a
shame. Yeah. Yeah. TheAI thing is just like the cherry that

(50:35):
is the cherry on top. Yeah, but that the AI thing is just
kind of like a symbol of howthe film is in general. Yeah,
where it didn't it didn't want tocommit. Yeah, I didn't want to
commit. I don't know. Yeah, maybe not even didn't want to.
Maybe just they couldn't afford it.Maybe they couldn't They just couldn't get it.
Do they just couldn't tie it together? Or really close? Yeah,
they were really close. Yeah,unlike The Knuckle Show, which stuck the

(50:57):
landing. Yeah, definitely due TheKnuckle Show is so good. You guys
should all go watch The Knuckle Showand let us know. Paramount Plus Yeah,
you're six a month and you cansee the cool is not bad for
a whole bunch of bobs. Yeah, but the only thing is Paramount Plus
runs like ass like dooo feces.Yeah, so bad. They put fucking
ads before everything and it's so annoying. Yeah it's not It sucks. And

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Samuel was knocked over our camera andit's always to see him ad over and
over again, like they have theirbuddies. Yeah, they have their ad
of the month. They just showbefore everything. You thunder, you can
suck. I would watch that tattrailer and see that, I would laugh
my hat up so and I yeah, look this little kid guest on my

(51:42):
podcast, you know, hold themup, guest star on my podcast.
I'm gonna shake things up and say, my ex, one of my wagelings,
We're gonna roast him like a pig. He's smiling, he has no
idea what's going on and care.He's so lazy, dude. We put
the shirt on, We put theshirt on him. He just completely like

(52:05):
submit. Yeah, he just doesnot care. Guys, thank you so
much for watching this episode of Meetinghalf Away. We will get back to
the weekly uploads and I we've gotsome we're gonna I think we're gonna try
alternate, like one week will doa game and then next week we'll do
they're basically the same thing. Onejust has a video game running in the
background, but huld tell him thegame we're gonna do, Mark Go Dot

(52:29):
Cong three Kong three, Yeah,Doc Kung three three. And guys,
you should suggest games for us toplay. You really, you really should
recommend your favorite games, but tellyou need to tell us why it's your
favorite. Okay, yeah, andyeah, I guess we're not finishing rantive
Cote, No, we're not.They wanted to see us play Twin Sanity
more. Yeah, you're gonna dosometimes, we're gonna do that, but

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yeah yeah and Foo