Why Are Movies Bombing So Much?

Mark and Veronica sit down to talk about all the movies bombing at the box office right now! From Elemental to Flash to Transformers!

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Episode Transcript

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No, I'm the king. You'rethe kid. I'm the kid. I'm
the king. Why are so manymovies bombing at the box office? Not
tell me? Guys. Welcome tothe new episode of Meeting Half of What

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We Mean, Mark and This Ronicafor a minute. Yeah, back for
a new episode with Wench special gueststar Wench. Wench said, Hi,
stupid, Yeah, um, yeah, What's what's been going on in the
week for Ronica? So let's findout. Mark. Let me just we

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saw a couple of new movies recently, a couple of new movies, a
couple of new shows, and thatwe're going to talk about some of them.
Yeah. We saw Elemental recently.There's element Yeah. Yeah, I
made a review on it on mychannel and I don't really I have not
a thing to say. I wasgonna eat a minute video. I like
that movie. It was fine.It was it was good. It was
a lot. It was a lotbetter than I thought it would be.
People ate it on this movie somuch just for having a generic plot that

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when they saw it they were like, oh, Okay, it's a generic
plot, but that's fine. Butit like but it was but it wasn't
generic. It was kind of complexand deep. That was fine. Yeah,
it was a deep Yeah, itwas kind of like it was the
surface level. I feel, whatwhat how deep? Can you go?
As deep as you want to go? I don't know, you're thinking that

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The Waterman was pretty shallow. TheWaterman was the least annoying than I thought
he would be. I thought hewas going to be the most annoying character
ever. Just used to like appealto like Twitter, you know where it's
like, oh he says wholesome,quirky lines, which should be fair.
He is doing that, Yeah heis, like yeah he's Twitter. But
he's a new lover right now.He wasn't as obnoxious as I as I

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was expecting him to be. Atleast, you know what, his awkwardness
and his like little quirks were excusablebecause of just like how he interacted with
the fire bitch, how they likedid stuff together, how he would talk
with her, their interaction with theirfamily, Like all his awkward, weird
quirkiness, I felt like, waslike reasonable. It was fun. Yeah,
you know, Elemental was. Itwas good. It was solid.

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I have no desire to ever watchit again. Compared to a lot of
other Pixar movies. I kind ofjust put it in the same boat as
like Luca or Turning Red, whereI'm like, yeah, that was good.
Yeah, I wouldn't watch it again. I wouldn't go out of my
way to watch it again. Yeah. If it was like on, I'd
be like, oh, that's nice. I thought it was cute. That
was it. Yeah, that's it. That's what. But Pixar has such

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like a monumental like reputation that thenreleasing a movie that's just all right is
like not good enough for people.Why do you think? Why do you
think everyone expected it to be badjust because it had because its plot and
Pixar are known for like setting thestandard. You know. So you have
all these other movies doing all thiscool stuff like Puss in Boots and Spiderbergs,

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and then you have a Pixar moviethat is just but it it just
took that much. Huh yeah,it just took that. Next movie?
Um, next, what else?We watched The Boogeyman, Yeah, the
Bye Bye Man. I showed youthe opening to The Bye by Man where
it's all one uncut shot. It'slike brightly, it's like it's like it's

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like zooming into a high snake guyopen. It's like a neighborhood. Yeah,
okay, and it looks terrible,but it's like, oh, it's
all one uncut shot, like becausewe've been noticing that recently a lot of
shows whenever they want, any timethey try to build suspense in any kind
of situation, they always have showoff. Yeah, or when they want
to show off, it's always onejust one shot the whole way through.
Yeah, it's like, you knowwhat it is. I think it's people

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try to like, um, dothe Children of Men? One shot like
one taken? Damn whoa? Thatwas one cut, uncut shot. That
was pretty cool, wasn't it.Yeah, that was one cut jams.
I've never seen that me neither.Yeah, we should probably go the Boogeyman.
We saw and it was. Itwas pretty fun. It was.
It was so I would probably puton a similar level as I did Smile.

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It just looked like one of thosebloom House like horrors, just like
one of those really cheaply made ones. It wasn't Bloomlies, was it.
No? Um, yeah, itwasn't Blomhies. It wasn't like Warner Brothers
or so fuck if I care.I don't. I'm interested. I'm interested

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in seeing like whose movies are doingwell and who's doing what. Um.
I want to say it was fun. It was Columbia, Oh, Columbia.
I don't know, but it wasa good movie. Yeah, it
was a good movie for a horrormovie, for a modern horror movie.
It was fine. Like I was. I feel like a lot of horror
movies recently have been doing something wherethey kind of like push push the boundaries

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and it becomes like a weird likeparanormal situation, you know what I mean,
like ghosts or like spirits, evilspirits or whatever. I fel like
that's a really big thing right now, and so at this movie it kind
of did that. It had likethe ghost of the mom bending the flame.
Yeah, I thought that was weird. I liked it as like a
storytelling thing because it's like set upearlier. It was like a Cinderella story,

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like baby Fairytale. Ending broke theimmersion here that like these are helpless
characters when they have a ghost fire. Also, like what about the woman
who was like trapped in her houseand her husband was killed. Yeah,
I don't think we get a nuptiateon her. I think, you know,
she dies. She dies, butmy thought is like how did it?
How come her husband's ghosts and protecther. Yes, that weren't powerful
enough. I don't know, it'sa lame. It's just you know what,

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well, I have rules like theBoogeyman can come and like, yeah,
hormone. I really don't like rulesof horn movies. Sometime they can
really like make or break it whereit's either really cool, like Nightmare in
Elms. Creep Street is kind oflike a cool idea, but then and
it has like set up rules.You know, we can only get you
when you're sleeping, and she likedthat. But he can come out like
he can like fuck with you inthe real world. You can like manipulate

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your reality even though you're yea um. But then you have of like where
the rule is just that the beingis omnipresent and can do anything, and
we'll kill the characters no matter what, like Paranormal Activity, where I'm like,
we tried watching it recently and Ican't watch I can't watch any of
those movies because they're also boring andI know what the ending is going to

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be. The characters are going todie. Paranel But you know what Paranormal
Activity three, the one where it'slike the prequel and it takes place in
the eighties. That one, thatone's pretty fun. I've only ever seen
the one in full where there's likea portal in the highest but I've also
seen one way there's a portal,yeah, in like a bedroom and that's
the ending, is that the kidsget like stuck through a portal to the

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demon world? Is that is thatthe one with the bloody Mary, the
one you were telling me about thatyou watch? I think so yeah.
Actually that that trailer terrified me asa kid, but that that's kind of
horror movie where I'm like, Idon't care because there's no like steaks.
And that was a Boogeyman. Itwas like realistic, realistic because it's obviously
a boogeyman, but it was realisticenough to like all the way till the

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end. You know what. TheBoogeyman made me realize though, for I
was telling you about it when wewere leaving, but I saw some like
director or some producer or someone likesome veteran like talking about it recently where
they were like, oh, yeah, movies, No, there's like a
weird like rule from studios or likestreaming services or like whatever that your movie
has to have something like interesting happenedwithin the first thirty seconds. So watching

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the Boogeyman, it like immediately opensbaby Death. You know, it was
like a five minute It was notfive minutes. It was it was like
five minutes. Okay, it feelslike two minutes. That's what I'm gonna
say. No, and I you'rechanging it. I thought it was one
minute mark. It probably was oneminute five. We'll see, we'll see.
Yeah, But no, Boogeyman wasall right. I think it was
like a moderate like I feel likeit's easy not it. As for horror

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movies that do well, I'd feellike these only get a certain amount of
like we were talking about it isis horror movies don't take They don't take
a lot anymore. No to entertainyou. Yeah, it's jump scares.
You look at vacations, you looklike old Saw, and you look at
like the Gore. Yeah you knowwhat I mean, Like you look at
those older horror movies. I sawthis like the only example I could have

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thought of. But like and thenyou look at ones like now, like
you look at Meghan. But thenyou look at like nine again where it's
like they were so mid with theirkills, you know what I mean?
They always do it like off screenalmost, That's what I'm saying, because
they want PG. Thirteen. Butyeah, yeah, horror movies. I
feel like we're talking about comedy movieskind of dying out in theaters. And

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I've seen, like I see acouple every nine then like it's getting like
terrible reviews. Is it all highlike Joanna Florence? But it's probably gonna
be like two thousands asked comedy movieyou probably? You know what it kind
of reminds me of. It isthat one Amy Schumer movie train Wreck with
Bill Hayter. Oh really yeah,plays just like a guy he plays pretty

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much Barry Yeah. Yeah, umno, yeah. I feel like those
comedy movies don't really get met anymore. Um And I feel like there's only
a certain amount of movies like genresthat people are willing to see in theaters
these days. I guess what arewhat do you think is selling most right
now? When stops sucking on yourcock or talking? Um, I think

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animated movies are really like doing wellright now? Are you just saying that
because of Poosh and Boots and SpiderVerse or I don't mean what movies are
good, I mean what is bringingpeople to theaters. You're using animated movies
are bringing people to theaters. Whatis the top grossing movie of the year,
the Mario movie? What about Transformers? Like eight or nine in that

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list? O, yeah, wesaw that. Okay, okay, yeah,
So Boogeyman, Okay, let's getlet's get into it. Boogeyman pretty
one out of chen Baba booies.What do you rate Boogeyman? Like a
six and a half. It's asolid little yeah, yeah, okay,
yeah, six and a half.So our good friend Kellen Gough you may
know him from this episode and thisthis episode and that those only two he

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uh he invited us along to Transformers. Um and it was honestly okay.
So they have this like fancy partof the theater where like you have like
the Dolby it's like that big Dolbycinema where it's like, oh, big
giant Dolby speakers, and like there'salso huge barriers and you have like the
the collapsing chairs. Yeah, youhave like the giant screen curving around in

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the entrance with the movie on it, and you sit on and I don't
notice that. I'm not like,well, I'm seeing this in a Dolby
theater. I feel like it's normal, but it's pretty, Like it's pretty
comfy. The chairs are nice butpretty. While Yeah, if I was
sitting in a normal chair watching themovie, I wouldn't be like, I
can't do this. I need tobe sitting in Adulby cinema seat, you
know. But you know what's greatgoing to see a shitty movie and being

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in one of those theaters where theygive you snacks during the movie, Like,
dude, you can order your meal. Yeah, Winnie the Pooh was
the most perfect movie to see withthat blood and honey, um we talk.
Oh Yeah. Kellen Goff invited usto Transformers by the Mister Beast,
and I've never seen any Transformer moviebefore. I always thought the Transformers were
kind of liam. Honestly, Ifeel like the Transformers movies are just like

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Boys movies. That's how I alwayscategorized. I would agree I was just
like boys and my hot babes andeverything is super sweaty and oily thing.
As a kid, I felt thatcmoy where I was like, oh,
that's like a shitty like like movietrying to appeal to boys. Therefore,
I don't like it. You know, it's too generic. It was too
generic. Yeah, and everyone lovedit. I remember at events to the

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Transformers stands out there and assumed anymedia star but the movie, the movie
itself. I was going through reallybad allergies that day and Kellen was like,
oh, here take us or Techand I was like sure, and
I knocked out throughout the whole movie. That's right. Yeah, you can't
even really talk about it. Yeah, I was dead. I don't I
don't remember. I remember waking upto like Captain Nemo or something being like

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exploded, but then he gets saved. Some guy he Nemo gets, He
gets saved and he gets like thePete Davison robot gives him his like uniform
or whatever, and he saves theday. He saves a Prime Optimist,
Prime the guy Optimist Primal. No, I'm the king, You're the kid,

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and I'm the kid. I'm theking. No one does. Yeah.
No. As someone who's never seenanything Transformers related before, when the
trailer key might for this one,I was like, oh my God,
how creatively bankrupt are you to makeTransformer animals? Well? See, I
figured like, oh, this iswhat people have been waiting for. I

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didn't know what well we're waiting for. I did not know it was like
a real transformer thing. Think ofit this way, like, wouldn't you
want to see like giant robot animalstoo? My mom my mindset thinking about
it was like it's like when theSonic movies start introducing Silver the Hedgehog,
where it's like, oh, you'regoing like deep into the ship this,
but like Silver would make sense asa movie like Sonica makes sense movie.

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By the time you get to that, you're already like you think it's like,
oh you like us, your stocksto everything to the point where you
were getting like the tertiary stuff,you know. But I don't know why
Wars is tangent. Okay? Doyou think that they will put Amy before
they put Silver. I think thatshould. Yeah, they definitely will.
I think that should not include Emyin the third movie because I want I

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would rather than include Rouge to tellSonic Convention, you two, you don't
need fucking Emi there. I lovedEmy's just there to clog up like screen
time. You know what it is. It's like Sonic Movie two introduces Teals
and Knuckles, but Knuckles gets allthe screen time. Teals does nothing.
You know, So with Sonic Movietwo, imagine that, but double the
characters, double the fun, doublethe characters, where Teal still does nothing

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except Emmy is along to not doanything as well. Why would I want
that? Yeah? But then thatcomes into the thing of like Sonic fans
don't want to see all the charactersbe used though, they just want to
see the characters on. Yeah,that's what you would want to see,
right, I would want to seethat as a fan. But when I
think about it, I'm still like, shouldn't be here. You would rather
have a constructed story with as tomy like fan service. Yeah, okay,

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um, but yeah, Transformers themovie was so boring. Probably want
to talk about one out of tenBaba booes, we give Transformers three?
Yeah, like a four or five? Maybe you're gonna say six just now.
It was so like boring, Likethe Michael Bay ones. I have
a pretty infamous reputation, but thoseones at least seemed like a spectacle.

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The Michael Bay ones actually have likea tone to it. Yeah, this
one was like really gray from whatI being awake for. The Transformers had
like more simple designs. You knowwhat though the Liza Liza, Liza,
Liza, Liza Liza, the LizaRobot. I liked her design, but

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she but she had like no,she didn't do you know what it is.
It's that thing of like Amy Roseand Sonic Movie three. I would
go in and be disappointed to seethat she only has like two lines in
the whole movie. So then it'slike, what's the point if you didn't
utilize this character. I can't imaginebeing a fan of that Liza character going
to see the movie for that character, because she's all over the market,
that one girl. There was onewoman who was like coming out of the

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complaining about the character. Yeah,specifically that and like you have like the
Primal characters, the Primal Transformers,they did fucking They were barely in the
movie. The Gorilla only Optimist.Primal did anything the rest of them had.
Even then, they had no screentime. You didn't see them like
work together, you didn't see themto do anything true, And then they

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weren't introduced again until like halfway throughthe movie like two third dayne in the
movie reminded me of the Smurfs animatedmovie, where the whole marketing campaign it's
like there was girl, smurfsnife,but they're not introduced until the end of
the movie. Wait really, yeah, that's they don't have smurfet is the
worst movie they do. But thewhole it's them finding of big where's the
opposite? It's only smurf woman,yeah, and one smurf man surf man

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No, no, I think thatI was gonna say, damn man,
yeah, this guy okay, soyeah, three right, no, you
said for four, four or five? So just boring from what I watched
and saw and from what I heardthe it seems like the feedback from like
our audience didn't really like the movie. Did that the girl? Oh yeah

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yeah? From our audience yeah yeah. And this was a pre screening.
This was like a week before themovie came out in the theater was fucking
empty. And then it had likeonly like a handful of like super transformers,
and then what stuff would happen,Like did it always be looking for
their moment of like holy they wanttheir marvel and scream will be will be
revived From the scene where oh,no, he dies and everyone will be

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like yes, yes, it's likethree people doing it. Then they immediately
just stopped, like you got it. You gotta love. At the very
ending the post credit scene spoiler alert, Okay, they're having they like show
the main character. What's his name? The guy called him? That's what
I called him. No, Icalled him something else earlier, Captain the

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Captain Diego Captain Nemo. Nemo openshis little envelope he gets from like the
Transformers universe is equivalent of like thegovernment, what's it called Nick Nick Fury
or whatever? Yea his like NickFury or whatever, and like a big
old door opens and it's like,oh, where the Gi Joe. No,
he hands him a postcard that's like, here's my number and it says

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gig gi Joe. And the wholetime when it was building up to that,
Calmel's like, oh my god,it's this thing from this Transformers thing.
Oh, it's this like secret He'slike it's Sector seven, Sector seven
yeah, yeah, And then itcomes up Gijo and he's like what the
fuck. Yeah. A bunch ofpeople were like what in their audience,
apparently like Transformers fans and Gi Joefans have like a vendetta. Yeah,
they don't. They don't like eachother. Also, all my Sonic comparisons

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are warranted because they say the wordSonic heals and knuckles in that movie like
a million times. They do referenceSonic the head shock. I forgot about
that. It's almost like it's aParamount movie which also owns the Sonic movie.
So it's like, you think OptimistPrimal are going to be hanging out.
No, I think it's paramount beinglike include a couple of Sonics since
it's the nineties and people want tosee Sonic, you know, true,

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true. Okay, so we sawthat, then we saw it was bomb
too. I'm pretty sure it needlike four or five hundred million, But
these movies cost like two I wasgonna say, didn't this movie cost Yeah,
around like two hundred to like threehundred million. Yeah, And the
average thing everybody in the internet kindof abides by is you take the production
money and then you double it toclient for advertising marketing, and that's how

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much they need to break even,you know. Yeah, and Elemental everyone's
like, yes, Elemental is doingso much better now. It's made one
hundred and thirty million dollars incredible.How much was it to how much was
it like two hundred two hundred million, which would make because you look at
like Mario Movie ninety million, I'mpretty sure posting Boots, I think like
a Rune hundred million, Like yeah, all at all that extra money like

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that, doubling the budget of ausual animated film is going towards like these
fancy like graphics, like these coolelemental like physics, but no one cares.
That's not what an audience doesn't.It doesn't really make the concept either,
like it didn't make the Flame Girlor like the water Guy, Like
there that concept any stronger? Ifanything, that muddied it a little bit,

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Yeah it did. It took awayfrom like their actual silhouette. Yeah.
Sometimes were like, oh well everyPixar movie is like boasting to watch
some new like animation thing. It'slike, yeah, what did incredible is
like do overtly? You know,the characters weren't walking around a little subsurface
scattering. Yeah, they weren't likea blender test. It's like, yo,
you take the idea and you buildthe store. You're around it,
but you don't have to actually golike you know, I was telling this

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to Mark where I feel like theidea for Elemental would have worked a lot
better if it had like a upakind of art style. Yeah, and
it was like and it was kindof like Paperboy. It was like a
CG was a CG two D.Yeah, you know two point five fucking
up. Yeah, you're really youknow that they're rereleasing Toy Story and Incredibles

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and Monsters, inc And stuff intheaters soon. That's not uncommon though,
Yeah, but it's still like rightafter Elemental flops, I think that won
money. That's fair. That's fair. Although I mean look at like what
they have like the Regal Cinema,like Summer Blamy, Curious George. They
they re show whatever they like,rerun movies or whatever that they had in

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the past. Same thing they dothat every year for like Studio Ghibli films.
I've never lived here, to befair, if you are not going
to get movies replayed in Ireland,really you guys don't have like oh like
bringing your kids to not in anytheater that was near. Let you guys
are corporate just like whatever. Yeah, we also barely showed like new movies
like it had to be like ifit was like kind of like an obscure

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thing. You know what. That'sso funny because we went to Ireland to
see Sonic early, you know whatI mean. Yeah, it's not weird
stuff, but stuff like I wantedto see The Disaster Artist really badly didn't
come out in the in any cinemanear me. You know. It was
like I think it was like atwo hour drive to get to a theater
that would play it. Um,so here, I'm not used to like,
oh, we're just gonna bring backall these other movies. You know,

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it's like, um more more outthere films. You guys, wouldn't
You wouldn't have them in your localcinemas. You probably have them at like
a like a small town cinema.Yeah. Yeah, find one of those
that isn't in like Belfast or Doublin. You know, really you're not gonna
find one of those in like shittytime. Um but yeah, Transformers didn't

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do that well, Disney's not doingthat well. DC is the Flash just
taking the kick though for fucking upthem up. They had Black Adam,
which that thought do we in theRock Johnson thought that was gonna be the
big fucking thing a bomb targe.It didn't it didn't even like, it
didn't make nothing. It just andwe saw it ewhere. We saw a
black Adam shit everywhere. Marketing wascruel. That's definitely a case where the

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marketing budget exceeds the production. Butyeah, they were doing with mister standing
with Shazam Jasamurially, Zam was thatbombed and now had a lot of marketing
two like it Shazam too. Ofcourse, no one wanted to see it
the first first Shazam was so good, like but it wasn't like a mega
hitter. Do you think it's becauseit took too much time in between?

(22:17):
Yeah, too much time. Butalso Shazam is not like that memorable of
a character. Shazam works as likea standalone movie. I don't really think
it needed a sequel. Shazam is. Yeah, Shazam does look better standalone.
Zec Dempsey like running around more,but I love that Zack Dempsey isn't
Shazam. We're gonna do it.Thirteen reasons why episode recorded one like one

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year ago. Actually a year agowas like dwell in Uri. Yeah,
but no, we're not using that. It was at the time when there
was like six of us with thesetwo mics on each side around a kitchen
table with no acoustics, like ornothing. Some of us are sharing mics
like and then pulling the mics andtalking. Oh, it is so bad.

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I actually deleted the audio for thatthis morning. I actually deleted the
files on Google Drive. I'm prettysure not today, I think a while
ago. Um, yeah, theFlash is currently like doing really poorly.
I think it's only me at arund one hundred and something millions. Oh,
I don't know. That movie likewas doomed from the start. It
seemed like nothing can go right forDC at the minute. You know,

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I was explaining to Mark, like, I feel like DC has a hard
time making movies and hard time makingthem look good. And a lot of
it is because the concepts that theyhave for their superheroes are so unrealistic compared
to Marvel characters, you know whatI mean, except for Batman. Maybe
it's just a keis where Marvel has, Like I'm sure Marvel has a lot

(23:45):
of like wacky characters too, butI'm sure it's just that DC are that
DC has like less north I mean, look at how look at how Marvel
handled Watchman. You look Doctor Manhattanand like that was in two thousand and
nine. I thought a good movie. Yeah, I like it. I
mean, I like I like thecomics, but the book the movie is

(24:07):
like, I think the best renditionyou could possibly get of a comic like
graphic novel adaptation. Um, butlike then you look at Aquaman and him
in action and you're like, no, that looks horrible. Yeah you know
so, and and like Doctor Manhattan'ssuper unrealistic looking, but it's still kind
of it just worked. Yeah,But then the Marvel movies are just like,

(24:30):
it's a guy, so I guessyeah, the Marvel movies are literally
Captain America is just a guy ina uniform. And then like, but
he's like a soldier, right,you have Iron Man, he's like a
guy but with the suit. Butthe thing is, I remember like the
Suicide Squad, not Suicide Squad,the suicide Squad. Yeah, it's like
the second one that has nothing todo with the first one. I never

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saw that one, Margot Robbie,I didn't see the second one either,
but I've seen like stuff of it, you know, I've seen people talking
about it, and I know whathappens and stuff U. But that seems
like it takes the concept of DChaving so many silly, like dumb characters
and actually uses it to its advantage, where you're seeing all these silly characters
team up to like do like fighta silly bad guy. But that's not
what DC wants. They want tobe taken seriously though. They want to

(25:14):
be dark and brooding and like Ikind of multiverses where everything's connected. Yea,
yeah, you know what it isis it started with a Dark Night.
Dark Knight came out. It wasreally dark, and it was really
brooding and it's really edgy, right, And so then DC try to keep
making that happen. So they madeSuperman. They made that really dark and
brooding and nobody liked it. Andthen they made Wonder Woman, which also
has very dark, dark undertones.Wonder Woman is like the shot the whole

(25:37):
movie, and then they were like, we could like brighten it up a
little bit at jokes, at jokes, you know, so it's like it's
like really weird. Yeah, andthen Batman v. Superman Yeah no,
and it's dark. It's all fuckingdark and gray. Everything looks gray,
Zack Snyder, thing, isn't it? Yeah? Well, yes, and
no, that's what they wanted.That's what wants. Yeah, I like

(25:59):
Joker, but Joker is different becauseit Joker is different. But it's like
th DC should do just make standalonemovies that are like weird and experimental and
are different things. Yeah, butthey don't do that. They want formulaic.
They want the Justice Yes movie thatmakes two hundred billion dollars. They
want their own fucking Marvel universe.Whereas Marvel at least, like at least
all of their films all have likea tone. They all have like good

(26:23):
colors, they got good music.It's like it's creative. It actually looks
good. Yeah, you know,Oh it's so frustrating and so yeah,
most of the time, most ofsometimes cgs really sometimes it's really bad,
but most of the time it lookspretty good. And like the the way
that they it's executed is just better. Um, and DC hurts every time.

(26:45):
So that's why it's not fucking surprisethat the Flash was shit. Yeah,
and Warner Brothers teaking like a hitand they're taking up because they've been
fucking up the worst. They're sellingfive hundred million dollars of all theirs,
like Sony. I think it's right, yeah, but I don't think it's
everything they own. I think it'sof their music specifically. Oh really,
yeah, it's still it's a littlebig loss that is. Yeah, there's

(27:06):
a line of dollars um so yeah, that that they're doing really badly.
What else is coming on? TeenageI was talking to nice, No,
thats fun, really fun. Ithink that'll do all right. I'm excited
for it. Yeah, teenage cracking. Oh god, yeah, Ruby,
teenage cracking. That fucking blow up. The next Streamworks movie comes like tomorrow,

(27:30):
and it currently has like a fiftypercent on Rotten Tomatoes. And I'm
seeing like all these really positive,like people in animation tweeting about how they
saw it, like the day likeopening night, because I think like previews,
you can like see presteetings and they'reall like, I'm sorry, it
just wasn't good, And even thepeople being nice about it still like,
yeah, there's a lot of piecingissues and the characters aren't very well written

(27:51):
and it's just not very good.But the enemy, you know what,
that's good. That kind of constructthat's constructive criticism. Yeah, for a
p to come out there and you'djust be like, hey, listen,
it just wasn't good. Yeah.It is nice that a movie can come
out and people can kind of bea lot honest about it, Like an
animated movie specifically, I feel like, yeah, because the animation community they're
very I feel like they praise anythingand it's minima. So everything animated is

(28:14):
automatically like art and good. Yeah. So um, there are such things
as bad animated movies, and unfortunately, apparently Cracking as one of them.
Yeah, or at least not good. We should go see it. We
should go see it. And theyhave a winter review for it. It's
tracking to make a total of eightmillion dollars and it's opening weekend. Is

(28:37):
like for a company like DreamWorks,they should be meeting that in a like
a dad. They should be makingthat on preview night. So crack in
flash those ons like the bombs rightnow. There's a lot of bombs right
now going on. Elemental is thebig bomb right now, although it's although
it's turning or it's having a miniverse version of the Posts and Boots thing

(29:00):
where because of because Posts and Bootsdid really badly at first, Yeah,
it did, because it came outalongside Avatar too, but purely from word
to marthe it was able to getlike four hundred and fifty million, which
isn't great, Like it's not amusingor anything, like they broke even,
but they didn't break even. Theylike, wasn't it that? No,
it was a cheaper movie. Ithink that's another thing. When you're not
trying to make your movies like fuckingultra realistic all the time, you can

(29:21):
make them look fun and cheap.I'm cheap yeah yeah, um, but
having like a million the fucking cartoonysoul guy next to all these realistic humans
in a really yeah yeah no umposs and boots me. It made a
lot of money. I think itjust from one DVD seals too, probably

(29:41):
like streaming, but also from thatlike rise in the box office when it
got good reviews and people cheme outof Elemental being like, oh so solid,
you know it's good. The Elementalgot to turn around a lot too,
because people were just obsessed with drawingthe character. Art community last it
was obsessed drawing with a character.Yeah it's colorful, it's color from movie.
Yeah, no, it looks great. Um. There's another movie that

(30:02):
just recently came out. Yea,we watched we watched Asteroids City. I'm
a super huge Wes Anderson fan.UM, so we went to go see
Asteroid City and I honestly really reallyliked it. Um. We were hung
out with our friend Miranda, whichif you don't know who Miranda is from
this episode of that UM, andshe saw it recently as well, and
we were both just talking about itand she was like, you know about

(30:26):
upon the second time of watching itkind of caught onto a lot of more
things. Um. That made meunderstand this film a little bit more,
which is making me like consider ita favorite almost. And so it got
me thinking because every time I watchedlike a Wes Anderson film, like,
I always rewatched them, and everytime I rewatch them, I always find
something else that like speaks out tome. So I think this movie is
gonna be another one of those.But I definitely suggest you guys go and

(30:49):
see it. Um. It's doingwell. It's artistic as hell, so
go in with an open mind andjust take it for what it is.
I don't know if this is true, but I think it had the best
opening of anyone any of his films, which is surprising to me because Graham
budapess Graham Budapest was a pretty bigdeal. Yeah. I think it made
like nine million dollars. That's prettygood. That was on its opening weekend

(31:12):
or that was on his opening likenight, I don't remember, but it
did well. Is the point thatpeople either really like it or really heated,
which seems usual for one of thosevery very usual for his films.
There's like, it's really funny.Me and Miranda were kind of going down
a laundry list of like our favoritefilms by him, and like two of
one of my favorite, like twoof my favorite films are like one like

(31:34):
or something that she doesn't actually like, which is surprising to me. Yeah,
like which, um, she didn'tlike Life Aquaticum she thought she us
didn't get it. Um. AndI'm just fair, which is fair because
there is it's an acquired taste.It's an acquired taste. Like I would
not walk out of Asteroid City beinglike that was a good movie. I

(31:55):
was just like, yeah, youwere like what was that? Yeah,
I feel like I'm not smart forit. I don't watch and half of
those, which is I feel likeit's untrue because sometimes you talk about movies,
and I feel like you're too I'mnot smart enough to keep up with
you. I don't know. It'slike literally earlier in this earlier in this
conversation, you're talking about budgets fromfrom movies, and I'm like, I
don't know any of this ship.I guess I just like the more production
side of it, you know,but what comes to, like the emotions,

(32:19):
the emotional side of things. Whenit comes to like those kind of
movies where you have to watch itmultiple times to get it, you know,
I'm just like, I'll watch somethingelse, you know. Like I
It's like I could put in theeffort, but I just don't want to.
But I can still acknowledge that,like it's a good movie, you
know, I know what you mean. I think for me it's I like
you like analyzing it. I likeanalyzing the emotions behind it, and like

(32:43):
the meanings behind things and what youknow, what was the intention? Yeah,
but like with it Wes Anderson films, I always find myself to be
complexed or perplexed. I mean complexum perplexed enough to want to like watch
it again to understand it more.And I feel like if a film gets
do that kind of feeling than youknow, I guess I'm always like there's
something more here and I kind ofget what it is. But I'm fine

(33:07):
with just kind of getting it,you know, I'm not. I just
can't you know what. And it'slike, let's you're a fan of the
director. Yeah, I mean no, well, I mean yes, but
also no, like because I thinkback of how I like deep dive into
Evan Gelian and it's like I didn'tunderstand it, so I had to like
envelop everything and golf everything. Butthen that would have been better if you

(33:28):
didn't even to dive into it,yeah, because it was a fucking waste
of time. Yeah. So it'sthat thing of like, is it better
I meant to die? You knowwhat? It's better to deep dive because
then I learned something about myself.But also at the same time, yeah,
yeah, it was a good movie. Um, I would probably I
would watch again if you wanted towatch I would love to watch it again.

(33:51):
Sure, let's watch someone else,Yeah, the only if I can.
I don't think Kellen would like gasRoad City. That's true. There
are no true although although Kellen didgo to Shakespeare camps, so maybe he
would like Asterroid City. Actually maybeOkay, okay him why so yeah,
we never know? You want tocall him right now? You know I
don't call him right now. Let'scall him right now. You're gonna call
him right now? Yeah, whata crazy idea, guys. We have

(34:14):
Callen Gough on the phone right now. Kellen didn't answer. Kellen didn't want
to talk to us. Callen didn'twant to look at that little wench and
he was like I don't want toplay with you anymore by Wench wenching.
So would you say that twenty twentythree is a good year for movies as
of No? Absolutely, we stillhave We still have to look forward to

(34:35):
Barbie Oppenheimer, We still have tolook forward to the Five Nights of Freddie's
movie. So yeah, episode youknow what I'm You've been talking about for
like almost a year now. There'sbeen a bunch of like here, wait,
Sonny, put a little Jigsaw righthere and have him wheel away.
The other side this haven't do littleWheelie is like, yeah, I have
him do a little wheelard there,Papa Wheeler stop and then have him stop

(35:00):
and then slowly yeah like the lingyeah, and have him slowly walk away
have a little hook come across thescreen and grabbed by the neck and then
pull him off screen and go.One thing I'm very like happy about,
I guess is that during COVID everyonewas like, the theaters are dying.

(35:22):
You know, you have like AMCyou were happy about that. No,
That's what I'm saying is that duringCOVID that everyone was saying that, like,
no one wants to go to theatersanymore. Everyone wants to watch streaming.
Um so all movies are just gonnacome out on streaming. Not so,
I'm glad to see twenty twenty threekind of like prove that people are
willing to go to the box officewhether or not the movie are depending on

(35:42):
whether or not the movie is goodor stars Marriott, you know what it
is. You know what it is, though, is that people are so
tired of having to sit indoors.The luxury of like being able to watch
something from your home kind of dissipateswhen you want to like kind of get
out and do shit. Yeah,I'm really glad that people are going back
out seen movies and seeing all thesemovies do really well. Again, although
some of the movies where I feellike this should be breaking a billion dollars,

(36:05):
aren't like a billion dollars. Guardiansthree Mario is the only movie to
break a billion this year. IGuardians to me, Guardians not making a
billion fuck the second one. Peopledon't give a shit about Marvel movies,
And I guess that is it.Like think about Doctor Strange, Like I
thought the Doctor Strange movie was gonnabe like a big fucking hit. Yeah,

(36:25):
and and people like Poopy all overpeople only like spider Man and Batman.
Yeah, the only two fucking ipsthat ever like a regular Yeah,
every couple of years, and peoplelove each one, yeah, or most
of them, you know what.You know what I wish for Guardians three
though, which is like really makingme not carry white Marvel, like even

(36:47):
though I didn't really in the firstplace, but not even less is that
ever since en Gem, every Marvelmovie has to be like, this is
what we're doing after Thanos did thatthing? Yeah, it is always like
a weird like epilogue. It's alwayslike a joke where they have to make
a joke, all like, oh, yeah, this thing happened, now
we have to do well this.There's like a weird aftermath. They have

(37:08):
to explain for no reason, whichin turn like changes events of the movies
in between. Like so you haveGuardians one, the Guardians Too like being
a sequel to it, and thenyou have Guardians three where Gomra is suddenly
wife and doesn't like yeah, it'slike Goma from the past. And it's

(37:28):
like I can't watch these three movieswithout having to be like, oh,
yeah, I have to think aboutwhat happened in all these other fucking fifty.
But they do a good They doa like a good tasteful way of
letting the audience know, yeah,you know what I mean. James Gunn
does a pretty good, like seamlessway of kind of just picking up where
it left off without having to explaintoo much. Yeah, I don't know

(37:49):
about seamless though. It's more likehe's he's aware of how annoying it is.
So he will have a scene wherePeter is in an elevator talking to
a woman and he's just like awkwardlygiving or like the run down of everything
that happened, you know, andit's meant to be like, oh,
it's not that over, is it. It's it's him in the elevator going
down with like a gun to someone'shead, being like, I'm so sorry
about this. This guy purple guya Caiman did this beast thing and he

(38:13):
killed her already were oh yeah,no, no, no, you're right,
you're right, you're right. Yeah. But it's like whatever that like
adds to the character. Yeah,you're right. That's not as seamless as
I thought it would be. It'snot seamless, but it's James Gunn at
least being like, look I getit this, here you go. You
know, here's the acknowledgment. Atleast he doesn't in a way that's a
quip. Yeah, I'm interested tosee how he's gonna handle although see,

(38:37):
okay what sorry, what are yougonna say? Although the ending the Guardians
the Galaxy three, I wasn't satisfiedto credit ending. Oh what was It's
like, what's just him will return? Yeah, it's like no shit,
but like, what are you gonnado with it? You know, Like
that's what I'm thinking. I don'tcare. Um, I think they just
put it there. Just put itthere, you know, if they made

(38:57):
like an ending or not ending,like if they made like sequel to Guardians
the Galaxy three where it's like onlyabout Rockets, Little Guardians, the Galaxy
Group. Would you be interested?I would not watch it now, No,
you would want to watch the LittleRussian Dog. I just wouldn't care.
We've been watching a lot of FairlyOdd Parents for my video coming out
soon. If you're watching this podcast, you know it's a video ranking Fairly
Odd Parents, and we're bought onwatch season four. Halfway through season four

(39:21):
and imb getting about how many episodesthat I would have assumed would have been
from like season two or three,team from season four. Dude, I
think it's I'm like the opposite.I think like, oh wow, we're
already like this happens all the wayuntil season four, Like this happens earlier.
Yeah, like what no? Um? Oh god? The episode with
Trixie where she's like, tell me, I'm pretty like Timmy wishes for everyone

(39:43):
to be off of the planet soit's just him and Trixie or whatever.
When did you think that was?I thought that episode was like in season
six. That's so were you stillwatching the show because that's when they introduced
Poof. I kind of dropped offwhen Poof was introduced. Yeah, so
yeah you would have Yeah, youwouldn't have seen it then, but I
never kept track of what episodes wereon what season, Yeah, except for

(40:05):
like season zero, um and likeobviously season one looks different from season two
and season three, like I candifferentiate them now, but when yeah,
growing up, but I couldn't tell. Yeah, I didn't even know that
there were seasons. I just waslike a fairly apearances on. Yeah.
I would just like differentiate them.Was like, oh, the old ones
that look bad and the new onesthat look good, just because in my
mind it was like clean. Itwas like art in my head. I

(40:28):
will like watch season one and fairlyoddparances and be like, oh, this
is one of the old ones.I was always the opposite. I was
like, oh, it's one ofthe old ones. Yeah. No,
I was even like Family Guy orlike Simpsons. I was like, fuck
ones, those are the better ones. Do you ever watch Robot Chicken growing
up? No? I don't think. We didn't have adult Swim. I
don't think oh at all. Idon't think so. No. Robot Chicken

(40:52):
mind have aired on How would youwatch Family Guys? BBC three aired Family
The guy uh sky Sky was thedam of our Keybold box Provider. That's
like our Comcast. Yeah, andthey aired the Simpsons. We started watching

(41:13):
The Bear. We never made,Yeah we are. This episode was originally
supposed to be about the Bear,but I don't think I would have them,
so there's really not much to sayabout the Bear. Weird. So
we started watching the Bear coincidentally,like a week before season two, key,
right before season two came out oftime we finished season one. We

(41:34):
immediately got a jam season two.The only reason why we wanted to watch
the Bear was because obviously Lip fromShamless Jeremy Alan White is the lead in
The Bear. Um and our jacksonwas telling me that the Bear was like
a Shameless version of like kitchen Nightmare, like SAMs, but they're in a
kitchen. Yeah, Shameless is cookingit with Shameless. Yeah. And and

(41:54):
I was hearing nothing but good thingsall over the internet. Yeah, constantly
saw memes about yeah the meme.Yeah, I was like, holy shit,
this show is going to be great. So I want to watch it
when we're like read like ready forit, because we're we just finished watching
like I think we're around the timewe were suggested the Bear. We just
finished watching Breaking Bad, Better CallSaul. Yeah, something like that.

(42:16):
Yeah, So we watched the Bearand we got like I was telling Rock,
I felt like every episode of thefirst season was like, Okay,
no, it's gonna get good,but it never Yeah, we were constantly
waiting for that moment when it waslike a Chef Gordon Ramsey moment in the
kitchen and it's like stressful, andwe thought that that was what the show
was pretty much going in the firstepisode. Did that pretty well? I
think only the first episode and likethe last episode. Yeah, was there

(42:40):
really like any escalation throughout the entiretyof the series. You're watching like lips
struggle and you're watching everybody around himstressing out. That's the thing. You
think it's going to be a showfrom all the marketing and everything. You
think it's a show about Lip andhim trying to like chef yeah or do
that. But no, Lip isbarely involved. Lip is like hardly Lip

(43:04):
is like hardly involved in the seriesat all. The whole thing is about
his soux chef the whole fucking time. Yeah, she's like the main focus.
Yeah, and then you can Ritchiewhere it focuses on his cousin,
his cousin cousin or other like theguy who makes the desserts there, he
has to like go off and yeah, he has his own arts season.
It's like an either way season.Season one is like establishing that Okay,

(43:27):
they're trying to run a business.Why they're drowning. They don't know what
to do. They're in debt,right, yeah, money, they're trying
to figure it all out. Atthe end, obviously the problem gets solved
and they find three hundred thousand dollarshands of fucking soup. Yeah, so
it's like cool. When they getto the second season, it's like,
oh, they have the money.Now they have to build the new restaurant,

(43:49):
the Bear they want to build it. Take on a loan for another
five hundred thousand dollars, so intotal they would earned eight hundred thousand dollars.
And it's said, like there's allthese threats like if you guys don't
start like turning her rund like immediately, like if you it's like, oh,
we're closing in two months, whichis really tight. And then the
guy comes in it's like, no, you're closing, you're opening in ten
daz. If you don't have allyour permits, we're gonna shut you down.
Permanently and then it's like, ohshit. But then it just cuts

(44:12):
and they're all fine. It's likethey just started build up. It's already
made. Every time they give youa problem that they have to face,
they never show you how they facethe problem. They just show you the
end result, the aftermath of theend results. The next scene. I
think it's in season one where it'sreally bad, where the whole thing is,
Oh, they set up a newonline or ordering ordering, but she

(44:34):
the girl, forgot to put alimit on it, so they get like
two hundred orders and they're all scramblinglike what what the fuck do we doing.
The girls like I'm sick of this, I'm leaving, souse, you
leave. Yeah, she sucks upand everyone gets mad at her, and
she knows it's her fault, soshe quits. And then the gut like
lip is just standing there with afinger in his ass, like what the
fuck do I do? And thenit cuts. It's that's it, and
then the next time it's just fine. They're fine. Everything different day.

(44:57):
You know, you don't hear anythingabout what happens about on that day,
if they were able to do itor not. Some might argue that that's
not what the show is. Abite. But I'd argue that it's season
one, you should probably show someof the kitchen stuff. There should be
some physical character development that we seeon screen. We should be witnessing these
characters experience something that changes them tobe able to work better as a team

(45:20):
as well. Yes, and weonly see like the preparation of the peak,
the peak barely happening, and thenthe aftermath of the resolution to introduce
a new conflict. Yes, it'slike it's so quick and so everything kind
of means nothing, but it alsomeans everything, like the world is ending.
It's everything so serious. Yeah,it's very weird. Season two was
similar, but season two by thesecond half started to get like good,

(45:43):
you know, like solidum where it'slike a flashback episode of Lip and his
family and you're seeing how it functionallylr with his mom and his brother who's
not dead, and it's like,why isn't the show by this, Yeah,
why isn't there's Yeah, the Christmasepisode seven Fishes is what it's called,
and actually is like a weird likedrama telenovela where you're following along with

(46:04):
Lip's family and you realize what it'sabout yeah, and it's tense and it's
miserable, Like it is so awkwardand frustrating and like, oh and anxiety
inducing. But you would think thatthey would have that kind of same tension
build up and tension throughout them scramblingto build this restaurant, but they just
don't show it. It's like,oh my god, we have to do

(46:25):
this in time cuts to the nextepisode. It's done to be fair,
it is like an hour and ahalf like long episode or episode. But
then again it's like why is thatlike episode like six of season two,
Why isn't that Why isn't that established? Yes, it feels like, oh,
we have to have this like payofffor that thing that happened there,
so well, now I will justset you know what. It's also like

(46:50):
they make you have to like learnwith Lip why his family trauma is like
a problem, why everything was aproblem, and like what the relationship meant
between him and his siblings, andlike, yeah, that's kind of cool.
But at the same time, theydon't entirely they don't entirely resolve these
issues with Lip. Lip doesn't actuallyfully come to terms with the things that

(47:13):
are brought up in front of him. Yeah, and when you actually see
that seven Fish night, you seewhat his life was like, in his
relationship with his family was like andhis brother. Yeah, it's miserable and
you understand why he left, andit's like you can have that aha moment
later on. But I feel like, as far as the series goes,
it would have made you be itwould make you give more of a shit

(47:34):
about what all of this means ifyou had explained it earlier on. Yeah,
And maybe that's what it is.Maybe it's about like learning to appreciate
the series. That's what I'm saying. We wanted it to be something that
it wasn't, but what it isto me is just kind of like whatever.
And then the next couple episodes,like the one where it's the cousin
Richie going to the place till itgoes to like a restaurant to learn how

(47:54):
cordial like tables properly or be nicepeople, and I think it was just
a snap him into like learning howto respect others, the others and like
the craft Yeah, and the oneI liked that one. I liked whatever
next one was, but I likethe Lip Relationship one, which I think
was next. But the finale Ithought was like really good for the first

(48:15):
life. Yeah, finale was great. It's like fifteen minutes of like one
uncut shot and it's like, yeah, that's kind of like as pretentious,
sure, but it looks really butit's really well done. Yeah, it's
like the front of the house andthe restaurant and then like the ball house
at the front. Then you seego through the door and so hectic and
like everyone's like screaming and shit likethat behind the closed doors, and it's
it's really good. But then theending, it's like everything hinges on this

(48:37):
night going, well, this istheir first night. And then from what
I remember, it was going acouple of days ago. It ends before
you get to see hard the nightwent. You don't even get to see
how the night goes. It endswith um Lip getting trapped in the freezer
and them all trying. He getstrapped like midway through, Yeah, in
the first like ten minutes of likethe peak of their like ordering. I

(48:59):
think that's the like one cut shotlike ends, yeah, is when he
gets locked when or no, itends when he's getting like sawed out.
That's like one ut yeah, becauseonce he the one cut shot ends right
before he gets locked in. That'swhat I'm saying. Oh yeah, sorry,
I meant like the actual scene itself. No, I meant like the
one cut shot. Like I meantthe scene. The scene itself ends with

(49:21):
like him being like sawed out ofthe freezer, so you don't and then
like him finally getting out, buthe doesn't. You don't get to see
how the night goes. You don'tget to see what happens. No,
Like from what I remember, there'sno real epilogue, and it's just kind
of like that was another season ofthe Bear, like that was there was
some good. There was like mostlyit's been boring. It felt like somebody
was like writing an essay for schooland they had a really strong thesis,

(49:42):
and then everything in the middle ofhow they explained it didn't really explain anything.
And then you have a a likea resolution at the end. Like
the way it looks is great.That direction is like stellar, but I
just don't care about most of thesecharacters. It is. It is pretty
pretentious. Though it is pretty preten, But is it because of like is
it I don't know, I don'tknow. I think a show has a

(50:07):
right to be pretentious when it kindof sets up the fundamentals first of all,
you know, when it kind ofestablishes these characters in a way where
you're actually like, Okay, Icare about them, you know, then
it's like, Okay, then gooff and do all your other shit,
you know. But it kind ofjust like gets right into it, Yeah,
which is something that I think theother show we've been watching, Barry
does similarly, but better, waybetter. We're like halfway through season three

(50:30):
at the minute, and Barry ismiles better than the Bear. I think,
oh absolutely, yeah, it's likea slow burn. It's the Barrier
Barry. I can't say that namevery well. Barry. Barry reminds me
of better called Saul in a wayBerry is. Yeah, Barry is like
you know what it is, it'slike the scenes in between Saul working like

(50:52):
at his like lawyer job, doingthat, and then going behind scenes and
working with Nacho. Yeah you knowwhat I mean. Yeah, Yeah,
where it's like normal life, likecrable life. Yeah, Unlike it's it's
not as artsy, it's not aslike, oh fucking like, it's pretty
artsy, solid, yeah, butnot as much as the Bear. The
acting isn't as like, oh,we positively whisper. Yeah, it's not

(51:13):
like weirdly like professional and snobby.Yeah, but it works better because the
characters are relatable. The characters arelike likable, likable, the characters are
fun to follow along. You wantto, like you have like a weird
like drive to see these these characterssucceed or these characters get what they want,
you know. And so I thinkBarry is a very better way of
achieving that. And they actually showyou, they actually walk you through everything,

(51:37):
whereas the Bear it doesn't. Itkind of time skips and it's really
kind of disorienting. Yeah, andtonally it feels weird. Yeah. With
Barry, um, they keep settingup early on that he has like flash
like fantasy sequences. Yeah, andthis might be my fault. I got
up to let the dog eye topee, and I walked back and we're
seeing Barry like laying on a hammockwith the girl he's been like like in

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love with the whole series, andit's like him sitting down for his acting
teacher and the policewoman who's been liketrying to chase after who killed the guy,
which is fucking him and it's likethere's just another fantasy sequence. Then
it keeps going and it goes onfor like ten minutes, and you can't
tell this is just what the showis now. We're just like in in
here or not like um, whichis kind of jarring. But maybe they
established it and I was, Iwas. It was kind of weird.

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It was kind of weird though,because they did drop the fantasy sequences,
like after a couple times of usinghim. Yeah, they only did it
like once or twice of like himlike envisioning his life with this woman and
having a kid, and like themtaking a family photo together. Yeah.
I liked all that stuff, Butwhen it cut to them actually being in
a relationship, they didn't actually reallyestablish it. And that was that also.
Wasn't like that wasn't like a seasonshift. That was like a regular

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episode, wasn't it. That wasn'tthe start of the season, wasn't.
I'm pretty sure. Yeah, becausethe season ends with him. I don't
know, Well, you don't knowabout who. Yeah, I don't know
either Barry than the all right,the Bear's all right. I think it's
good. I don't think it justyeah, lip is great. I don't

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think the bear deserves No, butit does because it actually is really well
done. Yeah, but it's likeI don't know, I don't personally like
it. Yeah that much. Yeahgets like a seven. Yeah the bear
gets a seven. Barry has eighteight point five almost. Yeah. Yeah,
well depending on how depending on howthis onds, Yeah, we gotta
finish. Yeah, you're right,though, I wasn't expecting all of Barry

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to be like this one conflict.Yeah. I thought that Barry was going
to be like this man finding himselfin consistent conflicts because of like his predatory
nature, I suppose, or hisviolent nature. But like, just about
this one. This is just aboutthis one isolated scenario that just kind of
keeps branching off into a bigger treeof problems. Which is fun. It's
it's good. It is cool seeingthese dominoes falls. Just not what I

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expected, But I like, Ilike, I'm pleasant surprise. I think
that's that makes me enjoy it evenmore. Yeah, a little wench guy,
what do you have to say alittle? What do you think about
Barry? And think you pretty?But put me? Thank you? It's
very good anyway you can get backup? Oh um, Yeah, guys,

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let us know in the comments.What you think of the Bear?
And let us know what you thinkof Barry And let's know what you think
of Transformers Rising mister Beast, Andlet's know what you think of Ruby Gilman.
Let us know what you think ofCarl Jacobs. Lets you think of
Carl Jcobs dot mister Beast, andlet's know what you think of Boogeyman.
Let's know what you think of theBrother movie. You think of Mary Brother
movie? Think of em? Whatdo you think of a Pixar movie?

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Let's know you think of what else? Do we see? Asteroid City?
And also, um m hmm TheFairly add Parents Season four, episode twelve,
Let's know what you think. Yeah, but let us know what you
think of this will look at lookhow bloated his belly is? He s
top we can tell look at he'sso stiff right now. But yeah,

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