#229- Bill Donahue & The Esoteric Understanding of the Bible

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Speaker 1 (00:17):
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Welcome to meta mysteries where you don't know what you
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Speaker 4 (00:38):
My name is Jonathan, I'm Sean, and today we are
going to be talking about one of our favorite people.
Whenever it whenever it gets into uh, the esoteric understanding
of the Bible, it is your boy, Bill Donahue. Sean,
what are your initial thoughts about this gentleman.

Speaker 5 (00:57):
Well, I've been seeing a lot of his videos, you know,
and just the way that he breaks things down, you know,
kind of the way that we like to look at things,
and when it involves the mind and in that sense,
you know what I mean, things that we can actually
apply to our everyday lives and that see, that's the
kind of stuff that I really want to get hold
of and really fully understand, because like, if it's something

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that I can't apply, then I don't know really what
to do with it, you know. And then the way
that this guy breaks this information down is just so
it's just so beautifully done, and I appreciate, you know,
the way he looks at this shit, dude.

Speaker 6 (01:32):
Oh do I.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
Appreciate all the people that want to find deeper understanding
into anything, but being that Christianity is the largest religion
in the world, and most people whenever they you know,
most people haven't read the whole thing. It's a pretty
thick book with two c's, right like it is. It
is so dense too, and a lot of it it's
pretty hard to read. And the problem is is that

(01:53):
it's been translated so many times that if you go
and like, for example, if you were to read the
king A version, you got to understand what art and
thou and ye and thee and like all the you know,
the old like Shakespearean language. So then you're like, all right, well,
I'll just go read a clearer one, at least according
to my level of English. And then you look into

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the new Living translation and it's like, man, they have
changed so much. And I got a couple of examples,
tiny minute examples do you wouldn't even think would make
a huge difference, But spiritually they are massive differences. And
we're going to get into a little bit of that.
But whenever it comes to your boy, Bill Donahue, now

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that might not be a name that everybody knows. But
surely if you've heard this gentleman speak, if you've seen
a video or heard his voice, you'll know who this
guy is if you're running in the spiritual realms. But
I want to make something clear before we get to
Bill Donahue. Now, this is somebody who if you are
a traditional Christian, you probably have never heard of them,

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or or you think that he's just wo woo, right.
But before we get into that, I want you to
understand his mind and his philosophy whenever he's trying to
break all these things down. Now, we don't typically like
to touch on the Bible too much, you know. We
we are more like New agey and neoplatonic and the

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magic and the witchcraft and the meditation and the past
life progression, that kind of stuff, And we like to
try and stay away from religion because we don't necessarily
care for you know, organized spirituality. It's more of a
person to person basis rather than the whole church, you know,
listening to one thing and everybody interprets it, interprets it differently, right,

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or at least probably not the way that it was
intended to. But before we get into that, I want
to try and just break down what are the differences,
What is the difference between exoteric and esoteric? You know
and I and this will help paint a different picture.
This is another perspective. If you've never heard of the
term exo or esoteric, then this is going to show

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why there is so much infighting in regards to the Bible,
and why there are so many different sectors of Christianity,
and why you know, why there's so much infighting with
all of it. Why nobody can believe what the other
person believes, even though they're reading from the same book,
but they all have different understandings. It's not necessarily because
one is esoteric and one is exoteric. It's because the

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exoteric can be taken so many different ways, right whereas
the esoteric is it speaks to your soul. It doesn't
even need interpretation. You listen to it and you're almost
trying to figure out what they mean spiritually whenever they
say these things. So getting into it, it says, oh,
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Speaker 3 (05:32):
Is probably the best part. All right, So here we go.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
All right, So if we are trying to really get
a pretty solid level of understanding whatever it comes to
the esoteric and the exoteric, I just pulled this from
a website over here. It's called this versus That dot io.
So take with that from you will, but it says
esoteric and exoteric are terms used to describe different levels

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of knowledge or teachings. Within a particular belief system or philosophy.
Esoteric knowledge is typically reserved for a select few who
have been initiated into a specific group or tradition, while
exoteric knowledge is more widely accessible into widely accessible to
the general public. Esoteric teachings are often considered to be

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more profound and spiritual in nature, while exoteric teachings are
more practical and easily understood by the masses. So you
understand why there would be so much infighting because it's
not for everybody, And I just want to throw it
out there. We're not trying to tell anybody that they're
right or that they're wrong. This is just the level

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of interest that we have in the Bible, you know,
like whenever we're reading it.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
This is the way we like to look at it.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
So it's not necessarily to say the ones one way
is right or wrong.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
You do you boo boo.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
Nobody's telling you that you know that the way you
understand it is completely wrong. It's just another way, and
we you know, and if you always understood it the exoteric,
the literal meaning to the Bible, then you know that's okay.
But if you want another perspective on it. This is
the show for you. And if you're somebody who walked
away from the church and you're you're just like, you

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know what, I got a bad taste all the Christians,
they all they're very judgmental.

Speaker 7 (07:17):
Da da da.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Understandably so too.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
This is what causes a lot of people to bounce
away from from religion in general, is because of the
amounts of judgment, in the amount of like contradictory kind
of stuff.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
You know, you're you're supposed to be acting on behalf.

Speaker 4 (07:35):
Of of what like a follower of Jesus would do.
And you know a lot of times the fruit from
that tree is a little spoiled.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
So I understand it.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
But if you want to better your understanding esoterically, this
is the episode. So we're going to be getting into
your boy Bill Bill Donahue, I always forget that last name.

Speaker 5 (07:58):
Yeah, by the way, that was very beautifully put, dude.
I couldn't have said it better. Yeah, thank you, the
way that yeah, the way you laid that out do
is just perfect.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
Thank you, Thank you.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
I try, you know, And that's that's one thing that
we like to try on this show, is to not
be judgmental of others not be judgmental about, you know,
what path they're on and where they're at in their life.
You could think one thing right now and something completely
different five years from now.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
This is why they say that.

Speaker 4 (08:24):
You know, even whenever you open up the Bible, it
could mean something to you literally right now, and then
you open it up ten years down the road, even
a week down the road, it could mean something entirely different.
It's very similar in that way. And not to be
blasphemous with this statement, but it's very similar in the
same sense with the tarot cards. Right, you could pull
a tarot card and be like, oh my god, this

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means that I should whatever, I should love my wife more, right,
and then you get that same card two weeks from now,
and you'd be like, oh, man, I should really love
my job more.

Speaker 7 (08:56):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
Like, it's that kind of stuff.

Speaker 4 (08:59):
So anyway, back to your boy, Bill Donahue, and I
just pulled this up, it says. Bill Donahue is a
speaker and researcher known for his esoteric and metaphysical interpretations
of the Bible. His teachings emphasized the idea that scripture
contains hidden symbolic wisdom, rather than being a literal historical account.

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He often connects biblical stories to concepts from quantum physics, astrology,
and consciousness studies. Some of his key themes include the
pontio gland as the third eye as the and the
single eye that Jesus spoke of in Matthew six twenty two,
which is, you know, therefore, if thine I be single,

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your whole body should be full of light. Now, before
I even go any farther, let me bring up exactly
what I was talking about earlier, just the little, tiny
translations that can change the entire landscape of the whole conversation.
So right here, all right, this is the new International version,

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like the the NLV, some people like the NIV. These
are the new ones that everybody can understand, right, the
new one that has probably been translated the most since
the beginning, says the eye is the lamp of the body.
If your eyes are healthy, your whole body will be
full of light.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
If your eyes are healthy, what do we have two
pontial glands?

Speaker 7 (10:23):
Now?

Speaker 3 (10:24):
What are we talking about here?

Speaker 5 (10:26):
What's going on?

Speaker 4 (10:27):
However, you go to the King James version. Remember, if
your eyes are healthy your whole body will be full
of light. You go to the King James version, and
let's see if it'll let us search here.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
The light of the body is the eye.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
If therefore thine I be single, thy whole body shall
be full of light.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
So it's literally literally.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
Telling you that your eye should become one. Forget about
the two eyes that you're looking out of. If your
eye is single, that's not telling you to rip one
eye out and like walk around like your fucking odin. No,
it's telling you that, like literally close your mind or
close your eyes, go into your mind and see within
your mind. That way, that is how you get to

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the Kingdom of heaven. The Kingdom of Heaven is within you.
Jesus was saying all this kind of stuff.

Speaker 5 (11:16):
Right right, and so because.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean go to a buffet, see
how how bad your eyes deceive you, right, and so
right here, if therefore then I'd be single, that whole
body shall be full of light.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
If your eyes are healthy, your whole body.

Speaker 4 (11:33):
Will be full of light. What terrible, terrible translation. So anyway,
that's just a little bit of what we're talking about here.
So anyway, back to your boy Bill donahue. So that's
one thing that he likes to talk about is Matthew
six twenty two, if your eye is single, right. Another
thing that he talks about is a belief that true

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spiritual enlightenment comes from inner experiences rather than religious instant tuitions.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Mhm right, it's all inside, dude.

Speaker 8 (12:04):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
He also gets into the idea that biblical figures and
events Biblical figures and events represent psychological and spiritual processes
within the individual, a strong focus on meditation as a
way to access divine wisdom. You're gonna hear most Christians

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say that, and the claim that religious authorities have distorted
biblical teachings to maintain control over people.

Speaker 5 (12:35):
I don't like that. I mean, the the the church,
you know, was the first government. You know at the time,
that was the government. Basically they were the ones in control.
They were the ones with all the power, and so
you talk about conspiracies and the government, not to trust
the government, but yet when it's the church, it's like, oh,
they're the ones telling the truth.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
Yeah. Yeah, it's a little bit ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
And to be honest, I know that some people are
actually even leaving the church and they're still accepting Christianity,
which I don't find a super huge problem with that. However,
from what Bill Donahue has said, and kind of what
I tend to agree with is is that I would say,
leave the Bible for the most part and just listen
to what Jesus said. Because Jesus, however, you want to

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look at him. Maybe he's the Savior, maybe he's the Sun, right,
maybe he's I like to look at him like he
was a super well informed sage. Look at him like that,
look at him like he's fucking Hermes, look at him
like he's like a wizard or something like that.

Speaker 5 (13:38):
Right.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
So anyway, that's just kind of the way that I
like to look at it. But the finishing up on this,
it says Donahue's approach is often compared to gnostic and
mystical traditions, arguing that true spiritual awakening comes from direct
experience rather than dogma. I love it direct experience. Think
about the experiences that you've had in your life.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
The extreme spiritual experiences, and somebody wants to try and
tell you that that was clearly a demon what But yeah,
that's the.

Speaker 5 (14:10):
Thing that bugs me the most, you know, whenever You're
around someone that is Christian and you say one thing,
and it's like, immediately, already all of my credibility as
a human being is gone because obviously I'm communicating with
some type of demon that I've made some type of
agreement with, you know, to deceive people. It's like, that's

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that's totally just I don't know, it's just bullshit, man.

Speaker 4 (14:33):
I mean, and to each their own, you know. But
I think that the proper way is probably not to judge.
I think that that isn't that up to God to judge?
So why is there so much judgment whenever it comes
out of not even just Christianity.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
Religion in general, you know.

Speaker 4 (14:50):
I mean, you got certain people killing each other because
they haven't converted to this or that. It's like, oh
my god, you're missing the entire point of this, of
this spiritual awakening that you're supposed to be having by
reading this magical holy book, the most popular book of
all time. And yet it's just like there's so much
war and there's so much uh, there's just a lot

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of negativity that comes with it, and I think that
it truly comes from a lack of truly understanding what
they were what they meant, you know, and this is
why Jesus had to speak in parables. We always talk
about this stuff. Every single thing that he said could
be interpreted six ways to Sunday, as they like to say.
But the deeper and more profound spiritual lessons and understandings

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that you'll be able to get whenever you finally open
up your third eye and you can peek into that
Holy Book and you see what Jesus is saying, you'd
be like, oh, that's not what I thought at all.
This is this This is a game changer at that point.

Speaker 5 (15:46):
Right, Oh yeah, dude. And it's all about just a
different perspective, dude. You know, we're all individual people that
I mean, you and I can watch the same movie
and have totally different opinions on the movie because my
perspective of it was just a oh, I didn't like
the lighting, or I didn't like this or that, And
it's like we're all supposed to have just our own
experiences and not just be told what it is.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
I think one hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
It's like, you know, like tattoo artists, right, Like you're
a tattoo artist and or you're an artist in general,
but you do. You do tattoos as well, and you've
given me plenty of tattoos now, And some people who
are real nitpicky, you might even be super nitpicky yourself
that you know, maybe you're not a super seasoned vet

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that has been doing it for twenty or thirty years
or something like that.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
Right, some people might be like.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
Oh, there's one line, the whole thing's fucked now, And
then other people who don't really have that necessarily of
a keen eye wouldn't even notice it, right, it's just
noticing the tinier details, and and then you build from
those details obviously. But yeah, I don't know anyway. Look,
here is a few videos that we're going to get

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into from Bill Donahue, and I'm not gonna lie to you.
He's gonna be talking the majority of this episode because
I think that whenever you have such an absolutely profound
gem such as this gentleman, I'm not actually sure if
he's still alive or not. I was trying to find
that information. It's almost impossible to this try and find
this guy's information online. Yeah, Like I could find a

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lot of them on social media, but looking on Google
and Doug Dug oh and all the other you know,
search engines. I mean, you type in Bill Donahue, You're
you're gonna get something like a Catholic pastor or something
like that. I'm like, that's not him, you know, so,
so yeah, this is gonna be the majority of him talking.
But I think you know, it's okay, you know, like
this is this is we're trying to you know, if

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I don't know if he's dead, maybe he's still alive.
I'm not sure, but either way, we just want to
be able to extend that message and try and get
a clear understanding. And you don't have to agree with him,
but all I want you to do is just allow
him to speak, and you just listen, and if it
rubs you the wrong way, try and understand why it
rubs you the wrong way. Why do you disagree? What

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is so you know, blasphemous about what this guy is saying,
or maybe it ViBe's right. Maybe you're like, you know what,
this actually thickens my level of trust and faith and
belief in this Bible because it's so riddled with these
deep profound meanings.

Speaker 7 (18:17):
Could be that.

Speaker 5 (18:18):
Yep, absolutely, And I think that's a lot of what
he was doing as well, you know, was that he
I don't, at least from what I got from it,
was that he wasn't like separating himself from God or
anything like that. He was deepening that connection with God
through these understandings.

Speaker 4 (18:34):
Yes, yeah, yeah, that's all. That's all he was trying
to do. And so let's see what he has and
here we go.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
Build on a hue. Listen to the wizard himself.

Speaker 9 (18:46):
Dude, anybody ever told you in teaching you the Bible
that the Old Testament is an allegory?

Speaker 7 (18:52):
It is?

Speaker 9 (18:53):
And if the New Testament is parables it is?

Speaker 6 (18:56):
How do I know that?

Speaker 9 (18:56):
Because the apostle Paul says talking about the Old Testament,
which things are an allegory? In other words, these are
symbolic stories that used the names of real places and
real people, but really symbolized a deep spiritual truth. They
have nothing to do with the names and the places
that they use. It's an allegory and we're reading them literally.
There have been people going up to Mount aur Rat

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looking for Noah's Ark. Do you know that spend millions
of dollars. It's a mythological story. There's always there's an
arc in every culture in the world from the beginning
of time. I mean, you know, did you ever read
the story and we taste did you ever read the
story of Moses? Remember Moses' mother when when he was

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three months old, put him in a basket with with
pitch and floated him up the creek and the Egyptian
lady picked him up. Do you know that that story
was duplicated hundreds, if not thousands of years before that
by King Sargon of Babylon. When King Sargon was three
months old, his mother put him in a little basket
with pitch, floated him up the creek, a lady picked

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them up. Same the same story. But now, when they
were teaching you about Moses going up the creek, why
didn't they teach you about King Sargon going up the creek?
When they taught you that Jesus Christ was born of
a virgin, why didn't they teach you that Harry Christnian
was born of a virgin when they teach when they
taught you that Jesus Christ when he was born, there

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was a strange star that let why didn't they tell
you that when Harry Christian was born there was also
a strange star. Why didn't they tell you that Roster,
the Iranian prophet, was the one who commissioned Cyrus to
rebuild the Hebrew Temple, and says the Magi to find Jesus.
It's true. And then this guy, according to our Christian religion,

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is a pagan. Yet if it wasn't for him, there
would be no temple in Jesus.

Speaker 6 (20:47):
They never nobody would have found.

Speaker 9 (20:48):
Them, nobody would have announced to the world he was
the king, because it was our Roster, the Persian prophet,
that made that possible. Why doesn't anybody tell you these things?
Why didn't anybody? They tell you that Jesus Christ associated
himself as the Egyptian Sun God, calling himself Amen.

Speaker 7 (21:05):
Raw.

Speaker 9 (21:06):
Why didn't anybody ever tell you Jesus did in Revelation
he calls himself the Amen. Thus saith the Amen.

Speaker 6 (21:13):
The Amen in.

Speaker 9 (21:13):
Egypt is the Sun God. We'll say, well, I don't
know if he's the Sun God. Well, it says in
Matthew that Mary and Joseph took the child Jesus to
Egypt to fulfill the prophecy out of Egypt. Have I
called my son?

Speaker 1 (21:26):
So?

Speaker 9 (21:26):
Then God, saying that his son was amen Ra the
Egyptian Sun God and Jesus fulfilled that prophecy the light
of the world, and we can go into all of that. Well,
why don't people why are they afraid to talk about
these things? And if you tell these things, which are true,
these are historical facts that I'm telling you, you're called
the cult. Stay away, don't listen to that stuff. That's
where religion came from, out of the Old Middle Ages,

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you know, the Middle Ages. You know that's where the
religion is. We know it came from the Middle Ages
of Europe. And you know what they call it, History
calls it the Dark Ages. You know what people weren't
allowed to think and they alart in religion, you're not
allowed to think. If you belong to a particular group,
you got to think the way they do. Oh, you know,
don't go near them. I don't know of anything more
disastrous than telling people don't read this stuff. You should

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read everything. You should read about Krishnana, about boot Up,
about Roster, about color, about everything.

Speaker 6 (22:17):
It's what you don't know that hurts you.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
A men, it's what you don't know that hurts you.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
I love that he mentioned that that back in the
Dark Ages, you weren't allowed to question, well not to
get you know, conspiratory or anything with that. But you know,
whenever the sickness was going around, I'm not going to
say it, but whenever the sickness was going around, they said,
don't do any kind of research on your own. That's
dangerous to do research on your own. It's like, what

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are you telling me, I shouldn't do my own research?
Like I should just trust and believe you no matter
what you say, because you're the experts. It's the same
thing they were doing back in the in the dark ages.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
From what he was.

Speaker 5 (22:57):
Saying right that to me, so is evil in itself,
you know, yeah, telling people to not be informed and
not not to not look into things. You know.

Speaker 4 (23:06):
It's like yeah, yeah, well it's just you know, just listen, obey,
you know. So here is another one from this glorious gentleman,
and uh, dude, dude, dude, he gets into a little
bit of consciousness Christ consciousness.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
Here a little bit. Check it out, dude, all.

Speaker 9 (23:27):
Right, that the hidden meanings in the Bible. A lot
of people say, what are you talking about?

Speaker 8 (23:32):
Hidden meanings? I have one guy tell me not so
on the boy that's off the wall.

Speaker 9 (23:35):
I said, that's it. That's what I'm talking about, the
hidden meanings. That's off the wall meaning, you're speaking in
symbolic language.

Speaker 6 (23:43):
You know, he shot his mouth off.

Speaker 9 (23:45):
Let's go shoot the ball boy. That's right on the nose.
He's a pain in the neck, all these various things.
He's three sheets to the wind. He kicked the bucket.
That's symbolic language. That's the language the Bible speaks in.
And the Bible confirms that it does by saying in
some seven the eight that God speaks in parables. It
says Jesus never taught, but in a parable Jesus was
a cult.

Speaker 8 (24:05):
That's what the word a cult means.

Speaker 9 (24:06):
It means religious truths which you're hidden behind words. That's
what a cult means. And it says Jesus never taught,
but in a parable. And Jesus says, unto you is
given to know the secrets of the kingdom, those who
refers to as people who are in meditation, but to
those who are without outside of the inner consciousness, all
things are parables. Let me show you a little Jesus teaching,

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and let's say we take a look at it. Matthew
twelve forty six he's in the temple speaking, and it
says while he yet talked to the people, behold, his
mother and his brother stood without desiring to speak with him.
This is deep biblical mysticism. And that's the way the
Bible was written. You should never look at the Bible

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as a.

Speaker 8 (24:49):
Story book or as a history book. It's a Bible.
It means it's a holy book.

Speaker 9 (24:53):
That means everything that it says has a symbolic spiritual meaning.
It doesn't mean meaning that the activity did not occur.
But if it's in the Bible, you have to ask
yourself what does that mean to me now?

Speaker 8 (25:07):
Otherwise it's a waste of time.

Speaker 9 (25:10):
This isn't just another novel, you know, the further Adventures
of Jesus Christ and his twelve married men were talking
about here.

Speaker 8 (25:16):
This is life. This is a Bible. Every word spiritual.

Speaker 9 (25:22):
Jesus said in John six sixty three, my words are spirit.
That means they're not for your mind, they're for your spirit.

Speaker 8 (25:31):
See.

Speaker 9 (25:32):
One of the things you have to understand in this Bible,
Jesus does not appear as Jesus of Nazareth. In John
five thirty, Jesus Christ said of my own self, I
can do nothing. Can you imagine that? That's what Jesus said,
That he was helpless, he couldn't do anything.

Speaker 8 (25:47):
He was no more powerful than you are. That's what
he said. But you see, we don't believe him.

Speaker 9 (25:51):
We're born again Christians. We believe the Lord. We don't
believe that he couldn't do anything by himself. He said
he couldn't. In fact, in John five thirty one, he said,
if I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

Speaker 8 (26:01):
We don't believe that.

Speaker 9 (26:02):
In other words, Jesus is saying, if I tell you.

Speaker 8 (26:04):
I'm something special, don't believe me.

Speaker 9 (26:05):
I'm a liar. I'm nothing special. That's what Jesus said.
We say, you're wrong, You're wrong. The church said this.
The church said that the church is full of belong
me okay, because the church doesn't listen to Jesus Christ.
Because Jesus Christ was trying to come to this earth
to say that the same thing that he found and
had you can find and have. He said that you
can do the same thing that he did, you can

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do better. And the only reason we haven't is because
we don't believe him. So then why is he in
the Bible, and what are the stories about. Okay, he's
in the Bible because he is a manifestation of the
universal Christ.

Speaker 8 (26:40):
See.

Speaker 9 (26:41):
The universal Christ is the consciousness that dwells in the
right hemisphere of everyone's mind. The only thing is everyone
is dwelling in the left hemisphere, in the carnal mind.
Christ dwells at the right hand of power or in
the right hemisphere of the divine mind. The stories are
of the inner universal Christ and the world's reaction to him.
That's what it's all about. That's not only was Jesus

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a manifestation of the Christ, but Jesus himself said so
should you be?

Speaker 8 (27:07):
So should you must be?

Speaker 9 (27:10):
See, And the point was that Jesus said in John
fourteen twelve that the things he did you can do.

Speaker 8 (27:16):
You can do better things.

Speaker 9 (27:17):
Well, you could not do better things than him unless
you became Christ. Exactly.

Speaker 8 (27:21):
That is exactly it.

Speaker 9 (27:23):
See, that's what the apostle wall mean in Galatians two
twenty when he said I am crucified with Christ. Nevertheless
I live, but not I, but Christ lives within me.
The whole meaning of this, mystically is that we die
to the mind or to the human consciousness.

Speaker 8 (27:39):
That's the crucifixion.

Speaker 9 (27:40):
We die, and then we are risen up into the
higher consciousness, into the right hemisphere of the brain with Christ,
where we then become Christ. To the Christ consciousness. He said, well,
sacred become Christ. Yes, you can, That's what Jesus said.
He said, Jesus said that, And we that say we're
Lord and born again are full of balgonney if we
don't believe that what he said is true. And when

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we start believing him, we will become Christ because we
will no longer dwell in the lower consciousness, we will
dwell in the upper room, in the Christ consciousness. So
look at the story then, Not the physical family of
a man, your brother and your mother is outside, but
the celestial family of the Christ within us, all say
Matthew twelve forty six. While he yet talk, his mother

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and his brother stood without desiring to speak with him.
This statement tells it all. Read it carefully again, Matthew
twelve forty six. Christ is speaking within within your consciousness.

Speaker 8 (28:33):
That's what this means symbolically.

Speaker 9 (28:35):
And those who claim to be his family born again
Christians and wish to talk to him are without.

Speaker 8 (28:42):
Do you see what it says, his.

Speaker 9 (28:45):
Mother and his brother stood without desiring to talk to him.
See that's religion. They claim to be his family. They
claim to be born again Christians, They claim to follow Jesus,
but they desire to.

Speaker 10 (28:59):
Speak with him.

Speaker 8 (28:59):
But what did they do?

Speaker 9 (29:00):
They stand without? They don't enter into the higher conscious
since they say it's evil. See, they don't go into
the inner presence. They say it's wrong.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
Bill Donahue, you slide dog?

Speaker 5 (29:13):
What do you?

Speaker 9 (29:13):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (29:13):
You're muted there, Sean. But no, dude, Like this stuff
is crazy, right.

Speaker 5 (29:19):
Yeah, dude, I appreciate what he was saying as far
as you know, Jesus saying that you can do this
and you can do even more, you know what I mean.
This is the thing that I don't understand is that,
you know, a lot of a lot of people take
the Bible so literally. But when Jesus says something like that,
what happens? What's the myths there?

Speaker 11 (29:38):
Well?

Speaker 4 (29:38):
He just everybody takes it as See you can do
all these kind things and you can love your neighbor too.
I don't know if that's entirely what he meant. How
can you just jump to assume that he meant? You know,
you can only do the natural, not the not the
supernatural part, right, so you know, and that's what Jesus
was saying. He was basically like, look, I'm just a dude.

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Like I'm a dude. But whenever I you know, and
speaking to the Father a ka God aka the universe
aka Christ consciousness, then you become the Christ. And that
is the information and the knowledge and the wisdom that
comes down. So you know, we talk a lot about
how the uh what is it the the fluid that

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goes down your condalini and then it rises back up
the you know, as a matter of fact, the best
way to be able to do that, and I think
he's going to get into it here a little bit later,
is whenever you sit in that lotus position. And I
just learned this today. I mean I've always tried to
get in the lotus position. You gotta be bendy for
that one. But yeah, you got to have like both

(30:42):
your feet on top of your thighs, which is pretty difficult.

Speaker 5 (30:45):
Oh yeah, my knees popping for sure.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
And I think it's probably just like maybe with a
little yoga and you know, calistenics or whatever, maybe you
get a little bit better with it. But basically what
he was saying was is that with the with the uh,
with that that position that you sit in as far
as the lotus your your spine, whenever you sit like that,
your spine is perfectly at a ninety degree angle with

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the earth. And so that's what allows that that crystos
to rise, right uh. And that's what allows you know,
you to you know, kind of tap into this like
spiritual information of the ecoustic records, whatever you want to
call it. But there is certain there's there's certain things
that happen within meditation that are extremely profound. This is

(31:34):
why we meditate every single episode because it's something it's
the most spiritual thing you can do, like bar none.
There is nothing more spiritual that you can physically do
than meditate.

Speaker 5 (31:47):
Right yep. And this is another one of those things.
It's so individual, you know, because whenever you're meditating and
then I try to tell you my experience or I
try to tell somebody else how to meditate, it's like
it I don't even think it works like that, dude,
Like it's just something that's just so for you, you know,
and in that space almost it's almost like only you
exist for just that time. You know, it's just you

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with you, And I think that's where the magic is. Dude.
You're accessing that that right hemisphere of your of your mind.

Speaker 4 (32:15):
You know what's cool too, is that that information just
keeps on flowing. You might not even fully grasp the
concept of the wisdom that you're downloading that day while
you're in the middle.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
Of a meditation.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
It could be something that almost opens up a channel
while you're not even meditating, and now it's like, oh,
all right, I got this this little download, this little
divine angle of light or whatever you want to call it.
That is that I'm now the receiver to because you've
opened that self, that that that part of yourself up
to it. But anyway, I digress. Let's uh, let's listen

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to a little bit more here. This is uh Bill
Donahue whatever he's he's getting into a little bit of
the numerology and you'll find this very fascinating. And it's
I believe he goes like numbers one through nine, and
then he hits on eleven and twelve and certain numbers
like that. But you know, it's an interesting concept. I'm
not going to say that it's absolutely true. I think

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there's probably many different ways to be able to, you know,
interpret certain numbers and stuff like that. But I think
that he's taking this in accordance with the Bible. Okay,
so let's see what he's got to say right here.

Speaker 9 (33:24):
Unless you have at least a minimal acquaintance with numerology,
because the Bible was not written by people from Pittsburgh.
The Bible was written by the ancient Eastern people, and
they knew numerology. They dwelled in the numbers of the zodiac.
They dwelled in all various numbers that had meanings. Let
me give you a quick rundown so you get an

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idea what I'm talking about hidden meanings. The number one
means God, the logos. The number two means body and soul,
You and God. The number three means new life, resurrection,
a new beginning. Jesus was in the two three days.
Jonah was in the way well three days. The number
four means your fourfold nature physical, spiritual, intellectual, emotional.

Speaker 8 (34:07):
Okay.

Speaker 9 (34:08):
The number five means mediation. It also means sacrifice. I'm
gonna show you that a little later. The number six
means doctrines, laws, religion. Don't you remember when Jesus turned
water into wine. Water can mean on the lower level emotionalism.
He turned water into wine. How many jars of water
did it say? He turned into wine? Six?

Speaker 6 (34:29):
Six?

Speaker 9 (34:29):
In other words, he was turning the religion of the
letter into that which is the movement of the divine.

Speaker 6 (34:35):
Essence of the spirit.

Speaker 9 (34:36):
That's what it means, changing water into wine. Number seven
means divine intervention. Joshua walked around Jericho how many times
seven and the walls came tumbling down. Seven means divine intervention.
There are seven nerve centers or seven chakras that rise
from the base of the spine to the top, which
are the seven levels which a person walks in order

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to find that which is the peniol or enlightenment. It's
all part of the Bible, It's all part of the
ancient wisdom which is covered up in numbers. That's why
a lot of your religious teachers and you see them
on TV and they make such a terrible mistake.

Speaker 10 (35:10):
You know what they do.

Speaker 9 (35:11):
They go and say, well, there's gonna be seven years
of tribulation. It doesn't mean that The number seven means
divine intervention. What that means is when tribulation comes to
your life, God will intervene on your behalf. Doesn't mean
that God is gonna send seven years of terror. It
means that God will intervene when the struggle comes against you.

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That's what seven years of tribulation means. Divine intervention is seven.
Number eight means rupture, separation. Number nine means the human consciousness.
We're gonna talk about that a little bit. Number ten
means completion, and the number of perfection in Hebrew is twelve,
which corresponds to the ancient most ancient zodiac. Okay, let's

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take a look at the number nine. Show you how
you can get all fouled up if you don't understand
these numbers. It's just like you know, you've heard these
teachers teaching all the time it's gonna be seven years
of tribulation.

Speaker 10 (36:09):
It doesn't mean that.

Speaker 9 (36:11):
If God is love, but he said you seven years
of hell, like they say, no, it means He will intercede.

Speaker 10 (36:18):
Look look at look a look at the number nine.

Speaker 9 (36:21):
The numerical value to the number to the word adam
in Hebrew and the ancient scriptures is nine. Everything had
a numerical value. And that's why there is such mystery
in the ancient scriptures, because they use numbers to deceive
people who tried to think intellectually. You know what you're doing.
You know what we're doing. We're reading the Bible intellectually.
In the same way is if you and I said

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let's go shoot the ball and then somebody said, oh,
they're going out and kill an animal. That's because they
read us literally. They didn't read us symbolically. We're not
gonna go out and kill an animal. We're gonna have
a conversation. I said, your boy, you really spilled the beans. Well,
they said that must be something. They're gonna go out
and get a broom and sweep up the beans. You're
not to sweep up any beans. It just means you

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talk out of turn.

Speaker 6 (37:05):
He shot his mouth off.

Speaker 9 (37:07):
Pow, No he didn't. It just means he said something
he shouldn't have said. He's off the wall. Where's the wall?
No he's not. It means that he's trained, he's different.
And you can think of thousands of symbolic verses that
you use, and the Bible is filled with them, and
yet you take it literally. That's how stupid we are.
That's why you've got all of this in this country,

(37:29):
in religion and fear, and in misunderstanding and in suicides
and all of this violence right in the middle of religion,
because religion is teaching you literally what was intended to
be taken symbolically.

Speaker 8 (37:42):
Oh hey, you know yourself.

Speaker 9 (37:43):
You've read the story of Abraham and Sarah. She was
one hundred years old or something and had a baby,
and you're taking this literally. It's not a literal story
at all. It's an allegory. How do I know it?
Look up Galatians four twenty four. The apostle Paul says,
the story of Abraham and Sarah. He says, which things
are an allegory? It's a symbolic story. If the Bible
says it, can't he even meet him? Believe at Galatians

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four twenty four. But let's take a look at the
number nine.

Speaker 4 (38:10):
All right, So, and there's another part to that. He
gets into a part two with it. But what are
your thoughts on that?

Speaker 3 (38:16):
So far?

Speaker 5 (38:18):
Pretty interesting, dude, It makes sense, you know what I mean.
I just like the way that he's has dug into
this shit.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
You know, he's got a little spice to him too.

Speaker 5 (38:25):
I think, yeah, dude, well I think he's he's definitely
gone through his own shit, you know what I mean.
I mean, obviously, I'm pretty sure he came up, you know,
in the faith and then started having his own, uh,
internal thoughts and understandings about how, you know what I mean,
how he kind of takes it and understands it, and
now he's just sharing it for us. Dude, I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
That's it, dude. So let's get into the second part
of that real quick.

Speaker 9 (38:50):
Number nine means adam. Adam means earth. The earth means
your flesh, your mind, your emotions, you you know, the ego,
the macha, the I will do what I think, and
all this kind of business. Okay, So when you use
that number nine, it starts to reveal a lot of
things to you.

Speaker 10 (39:10):
Okay.

Speaker 9 (39:11):
If you'll look in the Bible, you'll see many references
to three and a half or forty two months, three
and a half years, forty two months. It all comes
out to nine. Let me show you how. You'll see
it as forty two months, you'll see it as three
and a half years, You'll see it as one thousand,
two hundred and sixty days. Because three and a half
years is six months. Okay, it is three years and

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six months. That's forty two months. You take forty two
times thirty, you get one thousand, two hundred and sixty. Okay.
Now when you add one two and six, you get nine.
That's the number of human consciousness. That's the Bible's way
of hiding from the literal and the intellectual, spiritual, significant
deep mysteries that come out of the times of Egypt

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and child did they deliberately did this to hide from
the profane people the powers that are in the inner consciousness,
because they didn't want literal people getting ahold of these
mysteries and using them for their own good or to
raise money the way these evangelists and TV people. Then okay,
this isn't for that. This should not cost you or
not let.

Speaker 6 (40:13):
Me give you.

Speaker 8 (40:14):
I'll give you.

Speaker 9 (40:14):
I'll give you a simbol tithing how much money of
these people may taking ten percent out of your pocket.
Tithing has nothing whatsoever to do with money. It's symbolic.
It's a hidden mint. And what it means is you
have ten percent of you, that is the carnal mind,
ten percent of you is the left sided, is the
negative side. It is the carnal mind. Ninety percent of

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you is the right hemisphere, which is dormant. God is
saying to give me that ten percent. Give me your ego,
give me your flesh, give me your will through meditation,
shut off the thoughts of the mind. You shut off
the ten percent, which is you. You turn on the
right hemisphere, which is the ninety percent, which is Him.
You have tithed. Don't get well, I'm not gonna say,
but you shouldn't give anybody ten percent of anything. You

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should give God that ten percent, which is you, by shutting.

Speaker 8 (40:59):
Off your ego.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
So whenever he's talking about that ten percent, I was like, oh,
the left brain is only ten percent, right, And I
was like it doesn't necessarily sound right, but if you
think about it whenever, you know, like statistically they say,
what is it you have sixty thousand thoughts a day?
How much of those or how many of those thoughts
you're actually consciously aware of? Maybe ten percent if you're lucky,

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you know, And so it kind of makes sense.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
Oh, absolutely, So let's keep going.

Speaker 9 (41:28):
Rising up into a high, beautiful consciousness with God. That's
what tithing really means giving God yourself to ten percent,
the negative left side, the carnal intellectual side.

Speaker 6 (41:40):
Now, let's look at the number nine.

Speaker 9 (41:41):
Like I said, we were going to look at the
number nine. Three and a half months, three and a
half years, forty two months. They all equate to one thousand,
two hundred and sixty days. If you look through the
Book of Revelations, you'll see all kinds of references to
three and a half, forty two one, two hundred and
sixty They all add up to nine. So now when
you have that key that the number nine means human consciousness,

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you can solve some riddles. You can solve the identity
of the beast.

Speaker 10 (42:06):
Who is the beast?

Speaker 9 (42:07):
Six six six? Okay, who is six sixty six?

Speaker 10 (42:12):
This is the way you.

Speaker 9 (42:13):
Have to do it. If you understand Eastern mysticism that
wrote that you take six plus six equals twelve plus
six equals eighteen. Now you have one eight one plus
eight equals nine. The identity of the beast is you
and me, our lower carnal mind. It's the beast that rapes,
it's the beast that makes wars, all of these horrible

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things that you read about every day in your newspaper
and see every day and your television, and we can
look at the beast by going into our bathroom, turning
on the light and there's a picture of the beast
right over your sink. It is your lower mind. It
is that part of you that threatens you, that part
of you that convinces you you're not gonna make it
past tomorrow, that part of you that says, well, everything's
okay now, but what are you gonna do if? And

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what are you gonna say when you meet some and
some next week?

Speaker 4 (42:57):
And all I like whenever said that. You go into
the bathroom, you turn the light on, and there's a
picture of you right above the sink.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
That's funny stuff.

Speaker 9 (43:08):
That keeps you rattling and shaking and all of those
things within you going nuts.

Speaker 10 (43:13):
That's the beast.

Speaker 9 (43:14):
That's hell. What about those who are saved? What about
those who are.

Speaker 10 (43:20):
Going to heaven?

Speaker 9 (43:20):
In Revelation fourteen, it says one hundred and forty four thousand,
That means an endless number of saved.

Speaker 6 (43:27):
But look at the.

Speaker 9 (43:28):
Number one four four. One plus four equals five plus
four equals one nine nine means consciousness. The beast is
the lower consciousness. Those who are saved of the higher consciousness,
the upper room, the mountain experienced meditation. When you lift
yourself up above, you come into being that one four

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four or consciousness in the higher realm.

Speaker 6 (43:51):
So nine then means consciousness.

Speaker 9 (43:55):
And it shows either on the lower level, which is
the devil or hell of the carnal mind, the higher level,
which is the divine line.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
And that's something that I wanted to bring up too.
Whenever he talks about the one hundred and forty four thousand,
I thought that that was pretty interesting because I had heard,
you know, many different people's interpretation of the one hundred
and forty four thousand. But basically within the Bible, I
don't know a word for word, but basically within the Bible,
it says that one hundred and forty four thousand souls

(44:25):
will be saved or one hundred and forty four thousand
souls will ascend to heaven. Right, and people are like
one hundred and forty four thousand, Like, geez, that's I mean,
what if that number's already passed? Well, what is there
only ten numbers left at you know, at most kind
of right, you know, just judging all throughout history. But No,
I think that what he's saying is right, Like your
lower carnal mind and your higher conscious mind they both

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equal nine because they're just different levels of ascending through consciousness. Right,
So you know, you got for example, like whenever you're hungry,
or your horny, or you know you uh you haven't
drinken enough water or whatever, like these things will turn
you into that carnal animalistic mind a sap, right like

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you can't wait to unleash the beast, you know what
I mean? But then you know, but then you got
the higher consciousness. It's all consciousness. That that nine number
is all consciousness. And that's why you know, I know
that we always we make fun about, uh, the what
do we call the people the uh NPCs, right, like

(45:31):
the non player player characters.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
That's that's kind of just a phrase that we say
on here for the people who are not necessarily uh
wanting to understand the deeper spiritual context of a lot
of the conversations we like to.

Speaker 5 (45:45):
Have obviously not to be taken literally.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
Not to be taken literally.

Speaker 4 (45:50):
No, And so yeah, I think that you know that
that whole idea, the the the range of consciousness, it's
all nine right, and so I like the way he
broke that down one hundred and forty four thousand.

Speaker 5 (46:02):
Dude.

Speaker 4 (46:02):
I mean, you get to that higher level of consciousness,
that level of enlightenment. And that's not something, by the way,
that's not something that you're like, oh, I've reached peak enlightenment.
I've reached peak consciousness. I'm good for the rest of
my life. I never have to meditate again. No, it's
something you literally got to work at every single day,
sometimes multiple times a day. And that's why it's so

(46:24):
important because a lot of this stuff you kind of
get lost in the weeds whenever it comes to consciousness
in general, because you know, there's certain days where I'm like, oh, dude,
I'm feeling my highest self right now, like I'm out here,
I'm trying to help people and do good and you
know research, you know, positive information that I know will
be very beneficial. But then there's other days where I

(46:44):
haven't meditated, and all I can think about is food.
All I can think about is just like turning into
a potato on the couch, right, I don't have any
energy or or whatever like That is the lower consciousness,
and so it's you know, there it ranges. That's why
it's important to meditate on a on a daily basis, which,

(47:04):
to be honest, I gotta I gotta be better at
Like sometimes you just feel like, oh, I don't got
time for that. You got a shower. I mean, you
got time for a shower every day. You got time
to eat every day, you got time to get a
little ass, you know, sometimes every day. I'm sure you
can make some time for that, right, So why not
set aside ten fifteen minutes to meditate every day?

Speaker 3 (47:22):
It should be as important.

Speaker 5 (47:23):
Really, Yeah, And I think that there's there's more more
ways than one to meditate, you know, just taking a
little walk by yourself, or or you know, taking two
minutes in the car before you get somewhere to just
sit there and kind of reflect and kind of just
contemplate a little bit. That that's I think that's better
than nothing, you know.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
Oh, one hundred percent, one hundred percent. And so anyway,
you know, it's just teaching you to not get too
lost in this physical world.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
You know, this physical world it offers a lot of
great things.

Speaker 4 (47:50):
You know, you can fall in love, you can have
a kid, you can eat a delicious meal, you know,
like there's you can go out to movies, you can
buy things, you know, if you got money, and it's
like it's you know, the physical world is awesome, Like
I love it here.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
It's great.

Speaker 4 (48:05):
Right, So not always great, but for the most part,
it's pretty it's pretty decent.

Speaker 5 (48:09):
Right. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
The good thing about meditation it doesn't matter how much
money you got. It doesn't matter, you know, if you're
limited on time or you got you know, an expansive
amount of time. You can always find some time for.
It doesn't even have to always be ten to fifteen minutes.
Maybe only got five minutes. Go outside for a aka
smoke break, right, do a little five minute meditation.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
That's all it takes, you know.

Speaker 5 (48:30):
Yeah dude, Oh yeah, dude, And just think about all
the things that happen within the mind that can really
dictate kind of how you experience your day, you know
what I mean. So like, get your mind.

Speaker 4 (48:40):
Right, get your mind right, get your mind right. So
all right, here is your boy, Dona Hugh. He's gonna
describe what an angel is and I have never understood
it this way, and it makes the most amount of sense.
It's gonna blow your mind.

Speaker 5 (48:56):
When you were gonna bring this to the table, and
I was hoping you would.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
So good, so good, So let's listen to old Bill.

Speaker 8 (49:02):
Here there's an angel.

Speaker 9 (49:04):
We've gone through this and it's in that material that
I gave you when it's documented by doctor Galla Goddard
Space Lab. An angel is actually an angle. It is
an angle of electricity that impacts your brain and causes.

Speaker 6 (49:18):
You to think differently.

Speaker 9 (49:20):
And when the angle of electricity impacts your brain, it
causes an arc between.

Speaker 6 (49:25):
Receptors in your brain.

Speaker 9 (49:27):
It then becomes an arc angle or an archangel as
you're used to hearing it. And all of this like
that is reflected from the universe comes down and it
is reflected at an angle. So we're looking for this
god or whatever you want to call it, that appears
between the wings of the Cherubim.

Speaker 10 (49:45):
And if you will look.

Speaker 9 (49:46):
Here, and if this is the cerebrum, which is the
cherubim between the wings of the Cherubim or the cerebrum,
you have two things.

Speaker 6 (49:53):
You have a penny of gland.

Speaker 10 (49:56):
And you have the fortix. And as we've shown you,
the fore is the place where Jesus was entombed.

Speaker 9 (50:02):
The for Inix is the pyramid where I'm on rest.
The fornix is the place where the stone is rolled away.
And what is interesting about the fornix which I showed
you before, the for mix of your brain, is that
sealed place where the invisible income. Now, remember we've started
all this by telling you that a man is the

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name of Jesus in the Bible.

Speaker 6 (50:24):
One is the name of the one in the pyramid.

Speaker 9 (50:27):
Okay, there is only one energy we can go through
the for nex of your brain. Only one energy can.

Speaker 6 (50:33):
Go through the for nex of your brain.

Speaker 9 (50:35):
What does medical science call that energy? If you look
on page eleven you'll see it, and it's an amazing thing.
And I you know, I couldn't have written this. Somebody said,
you know, did you write this?

Speaker 6 (50:46):
I mean, look at page eleven of the brain.

Speaker 9 (50:49):
Of that stuff I gave you immediately behind the anterior
pillars of the fornix. That means the front pillars of
the fornix, in front of the optic thallamus is an opening.

Speaker 6 (50:57):
And what is it for? For a mine? Who's it for?

Speaker 10 (51:03):
For amen?

Speaker 6 (51:04):
What's jass called in the Bible? Amen?

Speaker 9 (51:06):
I'm I'm on thirty and it's in Stegmann's medical diction.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
How about that, dude?

Speaker 4 (51:12):
Fascinating because he was talking about the pillars of the brain, right,
and that's what's involved in you know, in magic and
witchcraft and stuff like that. But how about even you know,
they say that whenever you go up to heaven, you
got to go through the pearly gates, right, Like it's
all just symbolism for these parts of your brain. That
basically that whenever you meditate, you're opening up certain channels

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and certain doors within you within your brain, like physically,
that's what's going on, right, And whenever you're able to
do that, that's how you get that amen to come through. Well,
that amen would be the Christ, which would be the Cristos,
which would be that secreting, holy anointing oil that comes
up and gives you all of this sacred knowledge, all
of this wisdom. And this is where he's getting it from.

(51:58):
Like that he like not only Jesus found it out,
Buddha found it out, uh Krishna found it out, and
loads of other you know, spiritual like gurus and stuff
like in sages and and we we talk about them,
but like it's amazing to see that you know, basically,
whenever it opens up. He's saying that it's kind of
like a little shock, a little electrical thing that is

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going on within your mind, and that is, you know,
what the what the angel would be, which I found
pretty interesting talking about the pillars, right, he was talking
about the cherubim, which a lot of people think, you know,
that's that's the little angels, that's the little cherubs that
you see on Valentine's Day, Right, Yeah, that is the serabim.
That's the part of your fucking brain.

Speaker 5 (52:41):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (52:42):
Like that is like, that is so crazy. And so
whenever people are like, oh I saw an angel, I mean,
are we to absolutely disregard that? No, but did it
happen physically really historically, No, it didn't. It happened within
your mind. That's where it took place at. It's not
to totally disregard people's stories and just call them crazy

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and you just made that up. No, it's exactly exactly
the opposite. What's an allowing it to do is that
it's allowing you to understand that your mind is a temple.
It's a holy, sacred place. And whenever you get to
certain I don't know, I'm just now I'm like rambling
on But basically my point is is that a lot

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of this stuff, the Hindus have been known about it forever, right,
like a lot of the Eastern philosophy. This is where
a lot of this stuff comes from.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
And this is why you start to get stories about,
you know, did Jesus travel everywhere?

Speaker 6 (53:39):
You know?

Speaker 4 (53:39):
Why is there fifteen or sixteen unaccounted years of Jesus
in the Bible? Literally the most famous rock star of
literal all time?

Speaker 5 (53:48):
Right right?

Speaker 4 (53:49):
Like why is it that I know exactly where Michael
Jackson was on his thirty second birthday?

Speaker 5 (53:54):
Right?

Speaker 3 (53:55):
Why why do I know that?

Speaker 5 (53:57):
We don't know what Jesus was though?

Speaker 9 (53:58):
Like?

Speaker 4 (53:58):
How do I know exactly where Elvis was on his
twenty fifth birthday? You can find this information. It's not
like any kind of hidden or sacred knowledge. But all
of a sudden, the most famous rock star of literal
all time whenever it comes to spiritual and religious context
here and you're missing damn near half of his fucking life.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
Where's that God?

Speaker 4 (54:17):
And so that's where you get the story of you know,
you had this rich uncle. His rich uncle basically brought
him around the world, taught him, you know what he
didn't teach him. He just kind of provided transportation, and
he had the money to be able to go from
place to place because he was a he was a trader.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
I can't remember.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
It was like some kind of metal that he was trading,
but which allowed him to be so big or so rich.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
And so this is where you get the.

Speaker 4 (54:42):
Idea that Jesus traveled and learned all these things, how
to turn water to wine, how to walk on water
and stuff like that, because bro, that's literally, that's that's
literally what the Hindu has been doing. Bro, like it's
been happening. You know, like we we read the autobiography
of a Yogi, right, all those things would be seen

(55:03):
as superhuman or miraculous. Dare I say, right? But because
it's Eastern, we just take it as parable. But whenever
we hear about Jesus doing it, he literally did it,
it's like, what, that's ass backwards. I don't even want
to say it's ass backwards. I think that they were
both doing it. But anyway, I digress. What do you
think about all that?

Speaker 5 (55:21):
It's interesting to like, as far as it being so
based off of truths, you know what I mean, these truths,
as far as like the parts of the mind, and
you can even look into the cosmos and all these
different things, and now you can kind of see where
the symbolism and the numerology and all this was pulled
from to make this, to make this story. It's a

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story of symbols.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Man, exactly.

Speaker 4 (55:44):
Yeah, it's an amalgamation of stories, is really what it is.
And I know a lot of people don't like to
hear that kind of thing, but look and me and
you were on the phone earlier, and I said something
that it was basically like me and somebody got into
an argument about, you know, what Jesus was doing and
what religion's about and stuff like that, and I was

(56:07):
just like, well, you know, like like Christianity is kind
of like old school new Agism if you really.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
Think about it.

Speaker 4 (56:15):
Think about all the people they tried to incorporate, right,
Like you had the Pagan beliefs and the Roman beliefs,
and the Jewish beliefs, and then you had a little
you mix in a little bit of Eastern beliefs, right,
and it's all just basically new Age of that time, right,
And that's what made it so profound and so much
bigger than everybody else because it was all encompassing and

(56:36):
you can include everybody. Oh yeah, they celebrate you know,
this holiday on December twenty fifth, Right, Jesus wasn't born
on that day, but they incorporated it to appease the
other people and try and collect more people into this
religion aka government of the time. So whenever people get
on us for you know, diving into the New Age

(56:57):
and the woo woo, it's like, bro, I mean, it's
kind of like, you know, what they were doing two
thousand years ago.

Speaker 5 (57:02):
Too, right, that's kind of like what we're doing now,
you know what I mean. We're just gathering all the information.
I want all the information so I can kind of
put it together and piece it together and kind of
just just fit it to me, you know, and my
journey and what I experience based off of things that
I have experienced, these mystical things that I never even
thought was possible, you know what I mean. These things
started happening after meditating and applying certain practices that we've

(57:26):
been learning here on this show, dude, And like, yeah,
I don't see nothing wrong with doing that.

Speaker 4 (57:31):
Oh yeah, dude, Yeah, super strange. And you know, and
the more you meditate and other things, like, it's just
about becoming aware of what is going on within your
conscious and subconscious mind. That's all really meditation is about.
And and once you can learn to become aware and
almost take a little bit more control of what you

(57:52):
allow yourself to think about. And I'm not gonna say
that you can control your thoughts by any means. I
think that, you know, thoughts are just like cars going
on highway. They're gonna be here one second, and if
you pay enough attention to them, you know, maybe they
stick around for a little while.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
But for the most part you can just let them go.

Speaker 7 (58:08):
You can.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
And so anyway, it's all about knowing thyself and all
that kind of fun jazz. But anyway, here is another one. Okay,
so this is an interesting one. Let's talk about fear
based illusions versus thinking for yourself. So let's see what
he has to say here.

Speaker 9 (58:27):
Christianity, it is more acceptable to believe that there are
evil and demonic spirits inside of the mind than to
believe that God is inside the mind. So religion paints
pictures of devils and demons, and what are devils and demons?
And if you want to say there are such things sure,
but let's get away from the symbolic characteristic and name

(58:48):
of devils and demons and just say that they are
electrical patterns in the brain. They're electrical patterns in the brain,
and sometimes they short and they missfire and it could
become a demon. So if you want to call electrical
patterns demons, fine, I agree with you, But don't try
to tell me that this is something outside that lurks

(59:08):
behind bushes in all of this nonsense and comes down
from another osmosis somewhere when you know what they call
them demons because religion and Christianity is a dark age's
mentality and they've never grown up or explored anything scientific
beyond what they knew.

Speaker 6 (59:24):
Back in the fourteen hundreds. That's where they're at.

Speaker 9 (59:26):
They're at to this day.

Speaker 6 (59:27):
All they know is demons, and they don't have any idea.

Speaker 9 (59:30):
That there is electrical circuitries in the brain and it
causes people to behave in a problematical way. There was
Scott Peck, who's a noted author and doctor, said he
investigated I don't know whether it was ten thousand cases
of demon possession, and every single one of them was
an electrical short circuit in the brain.

Speaker 6 (59:48):
Every single one.

Speaker 9 (59:49):
Of them was a person who had a psychological problem.
But Christianity religion cannot deal with psychological problems because they've
never learned about that. All they've ever learned about his
devils and demons, there was no such thing.

Speaker 6 (01:00:04):
There's electrical circuitry.

Speaker 9 (01:00:05):
When it goes short, when something short circuits, it's the
same thing that can happen in this building. It's the
same thing it can happen in your car or anyplace else.
When something shorts out, it doesn't work properly. And when
your brain shorts out, it doesn't work properly. You do
You can do strange things when you have something going
wrong inside of you. And so what do the doctors
do nowadays in order to combat the devils and demons?

(01:00:26):
They give you value. They used to say that venereal
disease was of the devil, that was the god was
a plague against people for having sex. And then they
found out that the work of the devil could be
overcome by penicillin.

Speaker 6 (01:00:42):
So that was the end of that. It wasn't the
devil anymore.

Speaker 9 (01:00:45):
Because they can't deal with anything scientific because they've never
been allowed to think people actually believe that Adam and
Eve for their six thousand years ago because they've never
been allowed to think they don't know anything else.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
Oh man, is he? And right there?

Speaker 4 (01:01:01):
You know, yeah, as a matter of fact, it wasn't
that long ago. I did an episode on exorcism on
the Cult, and Jacob at the time was like, oh
my god, you're you're actually bringing up exorcism. He actually
got a little excited. He thought that I was actually
buying into that load of bullshit, right and and I
pulled up the literature, this scientific literature, a lot of

(01:01:22):
the case studies, a lot of the people who literally
blatantly admitted that they were just putting on a show.
For example, you know, I think it was back in
the nineties they did an exorcism in quotes on sixty Minutes,
you know TV show sixty Minutes. They performed a live
exorcism so the world could see. You know, sixty minutes

(01:01:43):
comes on what is it every night around seven or
something like that, and they wanted to perform an exorcism.
You know, you had the priest there and you know
the power of Christ comspels you and throwing holy water
at it, and this thing's all like, you know, this
person's like all cussing at this guy and maybe speaking
a little lad and whatever, and and they find out that, like, no,

(01:02:04):
that was They literally admit that it was.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
It was a show. That's it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:09):
It's like everybody thought that that was literally happening right there.
It's like the people that believe the Blair Witch Project
was a real movie.

Speaker 12 (01:02:16):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
It's like, you know, it'll get you the first time,
you know, but after a while you're like, after a while,
you're like, oh, okay, yeah, that was actually a pretty
good movie. I'm they got me, you know, right. And
that's really all exorcism is. You know that there's no
demons that are being expelled. It's literally things that are
going on within your mind. He was talking about short circuits.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
I think that it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:35):
You know, it's it's kind of based upon you know,
your mood as well. You know, if you're if you're
going to be in a bad mood, you're going to
be in that lower carnal mind. Maybe you haven't had
enough to eat, or maybe you ate too much, or
maybe you haven't had enough water for the day, you
haven't gotten any exercise, and you're just kind of couch
potatoing it. Well, you know, I mean, uh, what is it?

(01:02:56):
What is the old saying that the basically the devil
tempts and idle mind, right, and so you know whenever
you got you got nothing to do or anything like that, Well,
now you're gonna be tempted, and you're gonna be thinking
about things you shouldn't be thinking about and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
That's all it is, dude.

Speaker 5 (01:03:13):
Yeah, oh, absolutely, dude. And you know, whenever I just
had this experience not too long ago where I was
kind of dwelling on something that I probably shouldn't even
have been troubling myself about, you know, maybe something something
someone said, you know, and it was on my mind.
And so I remember I was pulling out of somewhere
and I was kind of thinking about it and just
kind of in my own head, you know, and then
I curb checked the car, you know what I mean,

(01:03:34):
because I turned a little too sharp or something, because
I wasn't quite paying enough attention to what I was doing.
Because this, I mean, if that's what you want to
call it, you know what I mean, I was just
I wasn't focused because my brain was just kind of
fucked up in the moment, you know, and it caused
me to do something that I normally wouldn't do, you
know what I mean, I'm usually paying attention to when
I'm driving, and I don't know, that's kind of what
I was thinking.

Speaker 4 (01:03:55):
Well, Sean, Sean, you're playing with tarot, so obviously you
have demons in so of you.

Speaker 5 (01:04:00):
Obviously there's yeah, there's a demon probably residing within my
brain somewhere.

Speaker 4 (01:04:06):
I mean, it's amazing that you don't go rape and
pillage every single house that you've ever walked into. I
mean that that that massive devil inside of you. I mean,
you're just such a horrible person playing with those Tarot cars.

Speaker 5 (01:04:16):
I had to sign that you know, contract in blood, right, Yeah,
of course, due of course, you know, But no, dude, like,
I've never seen a demon. I've never talked to a demon.
I've never heard a demon talk to me, you know.
And so I mean you would think though I would
be a prime suspect to be, you know, in communion
with with the demon you know, Oh yeah, Taro and

(01:04:37):
all that, but not not yet.

Speaker 4 (01:04:39):
Anyway, Look at you doing meditation, I mean, are you
speaking to the Antichrist in there sean or oh.

Speaker 5 (01:04:44):
You're thinking for myself and shit, fuck dude, I mean trouble.

Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
Are you saying all of your spells in Latin? And
you know you got a certain persuasion from.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
The dark Lord over there?

Speaker 5 (01:04:55):
Dude.

Speaker 4 (01:04:56):
It's like, but anyway, here is another one kind of
talking about hell. You know, a lot of people fear
this idea of hell, even the non Christians, they kind
of still fear it, like the idea of hell. And
so it's interesting what he gets into whenever he's regarding hell.

Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
Here check it out.

Speaker 9 (01:05:13):
It says right in the Bible, you will not let
your Holy One be corrupt in hell forever. There is
no eternal hell.

Speaker 10 (01:05:19):
You know something.

Speaker 9 (01:05:20):
Now, don't tell too many of this to your Christian
friends because they really freak out there is no hell.
They can't deal with that. They gotta have a hell.
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:05:28):
They like to have a.

Speaker 9 (01:05:29):
Hell because they want you to go there. Now, they
think bad people should go to hell. Say, they always
got you figured out, man, you did this, and you
did that. You never know what they did. They did
the same thing you do. Okay, but that's a cop
out that there's got to be a hell for bad people.
But you know what, let me tell you something.

Speaker 6 (01:05:47):
Write this down sometimes Romans eight seven.

Speaker 9 (01:05:52):
Okay, Now, how could God send somebody to hell and
have that in the Bible? You know what that says.
Paul says that the human mind is not capable and
is not subject to the law of God. It is
not subject to the law of God. It cannot obey
the law of God. So if the human mind that

(01:06:13):
God created, which is in your head, is not capable
of obeying his law, how are you going to send
people to hell? How are you going to send people
to hell? There's no such place other than in the
imagination of these people who are trying to scare the
pants off of you, that can keep you under control.
Hell actually comes out of a word that is Gehenna,

(01:06:38):
which was the place outside of Jerusalem where it used
to burn the garbage. And that's exactly what hell means.
It is a place where the garbage thoughts of your
mind is burned up by the spirit of God. When
you live in fear, when you live in depression, when
you live in anxiety, when you live in guilt, you're

(01:06:59):
living in hell. Hell is the lower mind. Heaven is
the higher mind. Remember what Jesus said Luke seventeen twenty one.
And Jesus can't be wrong. The kingdom of.

Speaker 6 (01:07:10):
God is within you.

Speaker 9 (01:07:11):
If God's kingdom is a kingdom, it contains everything. It
contains Hell, it contains heaven. Hell is the lower mind.
Heaven is the het. You remember the word Hades.

Speaker 6 (01:07:22):
That's where hell comes from.

Speaker 10 (01:07:22):
Hades much.

Speaker 9 (01:07:23):
Oh, it's hot as Hades.

Speaker 6 (01:07:24):
Remember that.

Speaker 9 (01:07:27):
Hades, which is spelled h ades.

Speaker 6 (01:07:31):
There were four brothers.

Speaker 9 (01:07:33):
One brother got the top part of the world in mythology,
the other brother got this part to the other and
the brother that got the lowest part of the world
was named Hades. In ancient mythology, hell was a place
of darkness, and darkness means where there's no light. Light
means wisdom and understanding, and that's what hell is. When

(01:07:53):
you don't have wisdom and understan, you talk about hell.
You got people now that got the got buttons. They
can push and make itmic bomb's fall on people. That's hell.
Where you were living in Nagasaki, Japan or Hiroshima, that's hell.
But it was it was caused by people. How something.
The only heaven that will ever exist is when the
minds of people are changed renewed. Because if everybody went

(01:08:17):
to a heaven right now in six months and be hell,
they'd have their streets of gold, they'd be selling it.

Speaker 10 (01:08:24):
They'd take the.

Speaker 9 (01:08:24):
Walls of jasper and choose the little jasper out of
it and be selling on the black mark. I mean you,
you cannot go into a heaven with the with the
soiled mind of man, because you're gonna destroy it. And
that's why when the mind of man changes in this
new age, it is the planet Earth which will become
the planet heaven.

Speaker 5 (01:08:42):
What's the different.

Speaker 9 (01:08:42):
You're gonna take the same mind up there that you
got down here. You're gonna screw that up just as
bad as this is here. You got the United States
of America got so many people on drugs. Why because
their minds are freaked out.

Speaker 8 (01:08:52):
You got a church on every corner.

Speaker 9 (01:08:54):
That's that's the biggest disgrace of all of religion, and
religion is you got through to so many pigre you're
doing so good. How come you gotta drug epidemic? How
come people have to take drugs in order to escape
their own minds?

Speaker 5 (01:09:05):
M damn yeah, buddy, he uh he definitely more more
nowadays two.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
Man, oh man, it's sad.

Speaker 8 (01:09:13):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:09:13):
It's it's the fentanyl. You know, the fentanyl overdoses are
insane right now. And this is why like drugs are.
I mean, you shouldn't been doing drugs anyway, but if
you are, like, they're extra dangerous now.

Speaker 5 (01:09:26):
You know. The tiniest talk about trying to fight off
a demon, dude, you know what?

Speaker 4 (01:09:31):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, and to get into which I
thought was pretty funny whenever he was like, you know, hell,
they want you to believe in hell because you know
that's that's where they want you to go.

Speaker 5 (01:09:41):
It's like they have to have that, right.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
It's so funny.

Speaker 5 (01:09:46):
That shit got me, dude.

Speaker 7 (01:09:48):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:09:48):
So right here he was talking about in uh in
the Book of John, and this is John, chapter fourteen,
verse twenty. I thought was very interesting he brings up
as a matter of fact, I'll just started at the
beginning of the paragraph, which is verse fifteen, and this
is Jesus speaking, and he goes, if you love me,
keep my commands, and I will ask the Father and

(01:10:10):
he will give you another advocate to help you and
be with you forever, the spirit of truth. The world
cannot accept him because he neither sees him nor knows him,
but you know him, for he lives with you and
will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans.
I will come to you before long. The world will
not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because

(01:10:32):
I live, you also will live. And this is the
part whenever he was talking about what was it John fourteen,
verse twenty, On that day, you will realize that I
am in my father, and you are in me, and
I am in you. So literally saying Jesus God, I

(01:10:56):
don't even want to say Jesus Christ. That's what he's
talking about. The Jesus was his name. Christ was the title.
And so whenever you look at that, it's like the
Christ and God that is within you. So no, you
ain't got to look up to the heavens.

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
You ain't got it.

Speaker 4 (01:11:09):
Well, I mean, the heavens up your mind, but you
ain't got to look, you know, look out into the universe.
You don't have to look out amongst your peers. You
don't have to worry if God is watching. Literally, God
is monitoring every single thought that you have. Okay, because
God is in you, all right, and you can call
that source. You can call that the universe whatever you
want to call that, the divine consciousness, the Christ, the

(01:11:30):
christ consciousness, whatever. But for the what we're saying here
is that like and this is something that literally religious
people will argue back, it's like, bro.

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
He said it right here, like it's within.

Speaker 4 (01:11:42):
You, it's not out there, it's not over there, right,
And that's where we get over here. He's gonna mention
another one, but this is uh luke seventeen, chapter I'm sorry,
chapter seventeen, verse twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
So this is uh.

Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
This is also Jesus, but it says one day the
Pharisees asked Jesus, when will the Kingdom of God come?
Jesus replied, the Kingdom of God can't be detected by
visible signs. You won't be able to say here it is,
or it's over there. For the Kingdom of God is
already among you. So all right, So this one, this

(01:12:23):
is why I wanted to bring this one up. This
is very similar to that. Therefore, if your I be single,
then your whole body should be full light. This is
the new living translation. This is the newest one, right,
or one of the newer ones. The Kingdom of God
is already among you remember that. Okay, Now, let's scroll
back to the King James version.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
This is what a lot of your typical people would
like to read.

Speaker 4 (01:12:45):
And the Kingdom of God is already among you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
So that's verse twenty.

Speaker 5 (01:12:49):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:12:50):
So if you go over here, this is Luke seventeen,
verse twenty. And when the Pharisee, I'm sorry, And when
he was demanded of the Pharisees when the Kingdom of
God should come, he answered them and said, the Kingdom
of God cometh not with observation. Neither shall they say
look here or look there. For behold, the Kingdom of

(01:13:13):
God is what within you, not among you, among you
and within you. Those are very different words, right. But
for some reason back whenever your boy King James decided
to decipher it, he understood amongst you know, the other people.
It wasn't only King James, but amongst the other scholars

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of the time.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
They deemed it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:36):
The translation should be the Kingdom of God is within you. Well,
now you look at it and it's like, wait, a second,
God is among you?

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 8 (01:13:47):
Like?

Speaker 4 (01:13:47):
This is why people don't understand. This is why whenever
you make such gestures, they're like Oh see, he's among you, he's.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
Around you know, he's around somewhere.

Speaker 4 (01:13:55):
You know he's But what happened to the whole you know,
the Alpha and the omega, from the beginning to the end.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
Right, He literally is.

Speaker 4 (01:14:03):
Everywhere, right, he's omnipotent. He's omnipresent. That means omnipresent means everywhere.
That means there isn't a place where he's not is omnipresent.

Speaker 3 (01:14:12):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:14:13):
So God is everywhere. God is you, God is me,
God is this microphone, God is his computer. God is
the speakers that you're listening to us on this podcast. Right,
So just don't forget that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
It's not to say that, Oh my God, I'm gonna
worship myself. Get out of here, miss me with that bullshit.

Speaker 4 (01:14:31):
That's not what it's about, right, it's missing the point,
missing the whole point. So anyhow, that was the reference
to hell. All right, Now we get to rate here
the second coming of Christ unfolds within not in the sky.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
That was kind of perfect timing right there.

Speaker 4 (01:14:49):
Huh, all right, let's see what he has to say here.

Speaker 9 (01:14:53):
Legend will warn you that you're getting into something. But
Jesus Christ is saying that what he's telling you. These
things are gonna have to happen inside of you if
you're going to experience the Second Coming. If you're going
to experience the Second Coming, then you've got to leave
everything that you have experienced in your life. You are

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missing the second Coming of Christ, because the Second Coming
of Christ does not happen outside. It happens inside, just
where Jesus said it happened John fourteen twenty. At that time,
you will know I am in the Father you and me,
and I in you. And if you are not in you,
you are missing the second Coming of Christ, and you'll
miss the Second Coming in the same way people miss
the first Coming.

Speaker 6 (01:15:33):
They never knew he was there, never knew he was there.
You know how I know they never.

Speaker 9 (01:15:38):
Knew he was there because there's not a word about.

Speaker 6 (01:15:40):
Him outside of the Bible.

Speaker 9 (01:15:43):
It's not in the history book. Show me a history book.
Where does it say he was there?

Speaker 6 (01:15:46):
It doesn't.

Speaker 9 (01:15:47):
Nobody knew he was there. You can't find it anywhere.

Speaker 6 (01:15:50):
It's only in the Bible is.

Speaker 9 (01:15:51):
The only place you ever know this guy even existed.
And you you will say, why here you are? And
all the mythology of the Bible all the mysticism of
the eyeball what happened?

Speaker 6 (01:16:01):
He rose?

Speaker 9 (01:16:02):
The Roman soldiers didn't seem the stone blew off, it
rolled away. All kinds of cataclysmic things happen. Guy gets
out of a grade. The Roman soldiers never knew it.
What's that mean? Same as us? Here he rises, He's
in us. All of this explosion that is happening in
this new age, we don't know. We have no idea
what's going on. You see all the turmoil all over
the world, all over the countries, the Berlin Wall falls.

(01:16:25):
Here's got this guy Yeltzing from Russia over there trying
to start a McDonald's, and all of these things have changed,
and yet we can't see anything different.

Speaker 8 (01:16:31):
We don't know what's happening.

Speaker 6 (01:16:33):
Right before our eyes, it's happening, and we don't.

Speaker 4 (01:16:37):
Man, he really knows how to break it down in
that sense. And you know that that whole part just
really makes me think, you know, speaking about whenever Jesus
is coming back, or when of the apocalypse is gonna
come or whatever, you know, the end times, it's like, oh, well,
they got to rebuild the Third Temple, and they gotta
they gotta sacrifice the red heifer. It's like, bro, that

(01:16:59):
is you literally think that there is going to be
a physical literal the guy Jesus come back, right, And
I mean, but I'm I'm going to hell because I
believe in reincarnation.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
Like what what.

Speaker 5 (01:17:15):
You're crazy? You're crazy for that, you know what I mean, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
Just crazy crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:17:20):
Yeah, So it's not that, you know, and hey, look,
I mean, if you want to rebuild a third temple,
you want to go sacrifice. I mean I would be
against sacrificing an animal just for the you know, the
basic means out of the sacrifice, which by the way,
they say that that is uh not witchcraft and it's
not the occult and it's not magic to sacrifice. But okay,

(01:17:41):
because it's in you know, because it's Judaism or because
it's Christianity that it's sacrifices, Okay, now you know, and.

Speaker 5 (01:17:48):
Ask you about that, you know, because did God know
that Jesus was gonna have to be sacrificed for us?
Did he know that? I mean he would have had
to have known that already, right, yep. So God sacrificed
his own child.

Speaker 4 (01:18:02):
Not even his child, it's him, right, sacrifice himself, you know,
is they what they like to say? Because he's man.
He's not half man and half God. He is all
the way God and all the way man. Which that's
what we are, dude, that's what we are. We are
all the way God and all the way Man. That's
what this whole game is about. It's about trying to

(01:18:22):
find a certain balance within that. You got to find
the God within you so that you can balance out
the human nature. That's what this whole thing. That's literally
what this show is about. Right, and so so anyway,
let's move forward. This one is about Oh okay, so
this is where he gets into a little bit of meditation.

Speaker 3 (01:18:43):
And that's the thing.

Speaker 4 (01:18:44):
Whenever he's talking about the symbolism, it's not that, oh
my god, he learned this from some esoteric school or
he was involved in some kind of maybe he was
a freemason. No, he wasn't involved in any of that.
He just understood this by looking into the older traditions
and also by going within himself. Oh, whenever I read this,
it means something differently to me. Now I read this

(01:19:06):
and I see that these are symbols that are being said,
Like I'm catching on to the phrases here, just like
within Taro, you see somebody in a red dress, or
you see a yellow sky, or you see you know,
two pillars, It's like they all represent something and that's
the whole point behind it. So this is he's going
to get into a little bit of the meditation here.
Listen what he says.

Speaker 9 (01:19:27):
Revelation at twenty one eight. But the fearful and unbelieving,
the abominable, and murderers, hormongers, sorcerers, idolators, and liars shall
have their part in.

Speaker 10 (01:19:37):
The lake which burns with fire.

Speaker 8 (01:19:39):
Don't get frightened by that.

Speaker 9 (01:19:40):
Okay, that's enough, you know for most you know, we
wonder why a lot of people take drugs. You hear,
read the Bible and you'll find out, you know, everybody
usually fits somewhere in here, you know.

Speaker 10 (01:19:51):
Fearful.

Speaker 9 (01:19:52):
In other words, if you fear meditation, you're never going
to be able to have any part in the benefits
of it.

Speaker 6 (01:19:57):
And and and Christianity.

Speaker 9 (01:19:59):
Most Christians are the death of it because they've been
told they're gonna open their minds to demons.

Speaker 6 (01:20:03):
Well that's not true, because there's no.

Speaker 10 (01:20:05):
Demons inside of you.

Speaker 9 (01:20:06):
Demons are simply manifested thought, the stuff that tells people
to rape people and kill people and do all of
the violent things. Demons if you want, but it comes
out of that lower consciousness, the source of all of
those things and the unbelieving.

Speaker 6 (01:20:19):
Well, once again, do you believe Jesus Christ.

Speaker 9 (01:20:23):
Do you believe that if your I be single, your
body will fill with light? That's up to you. You
have to reach a decision if you're going to trust this.
But you do have something good going for you because
you can look at the experience of them, look of
the results of the outer way, look at the results
of the religious way, and that should say bango, I'm

(01:20:43):
not gonna fool around with that anymore. I don't want
any part of that anymore. I'm gonna go within, and
I'm gonna trust him, and I'm gonna see that this
works for myself.

Speaker 5 (01:20:52):
Oh man, Yes see, I was not so much aware
that that was a thing that Christian feared was through
meditation it would open up a doorway to demons.

Speaker 6 (01:21:05):
Oh yeah, No.

Speaker 5 (01:21:06):
For some reason, I thought meditation was like on the
lower level of like something that we can kind of
agree on, like it was an understandable It was for
the mind, you know, like compared to prayer. You know,
I thought that that was kind of like one of
the things that you know what I mean we both
could agree on.

Speaker 4 (01:21:21):
Yeah, I mean you would think. I mean, it's such
a relaxable, peaceful thing. You're literally going within yourself. As
a matter of fact, whenever you fall asleep, bro, Like
whenever you're dreaming, what do you think is going on there?
Like that is going within your mind. That is meditation
at the absolute finest, right, Like I mean unconscious you know, uh, meditation,

(01:21:41):
But I'll be it's the same thing, right, and so
the same thing goes for like even past life aggressions.
I get some people that'll come up to me and
they're like, oh, I don't know, I'm kind of scared.
I don't know if there's you know, we're gonna be
able to Are we gonna find some kind of demon
or I don't know if that's witchcraft or it's like bro, Like,
I'm I'm just teaching you to calm yourself and get

(01:22:02):
you into the most relaxed, peaceful state of mind that
you can possibly be in. I'm not guiding you anywhere.
You are guiding yourself, and I'm just asking for details.

Speaker 5 (01:22:11):
That's it, right, Holy shit, I was not aware of
that that that that was a real fear, dude.

Speaker 4 (01:22:18):
Oh well, think about it. You know he was just
talking about the fruits of religion. You know, just look
around and see everybody like clearly, you know they're that way.
Would be would say that like meditation is evil and
you would find demons in there because they don't want
you to go inside. They don't want you to see
this for yourself. They would call it demonic or satanic

(01:22:40):
or witchcraft or something like that, because God forbid you
go inside and find yourself. God forbid you go inside
and find your highest self, call it Christ if you want, right,
God forbid you have some kind of enlightenment happen, because
then you're gonna be questioning the institution that is the church,
the institution that is religion, right, And so that's why

(01:23:03):
they don't want you doing anything like that. To not
even be able to trust your own mind, bro, Like
that just goes to show how your religion isn't helping you.
If you can't trust your own mind, you can't trust
the teachings that are being taught to you. It's not
even necessarily to say that you can't trust the teachings
that are being taught to you. It's that your interpretation

(01:23:24):
of those teachings are letting you down.

Speaker 5 (01:23:27):
I mean when you, like you said to you, when
you go to sleep, you inevitably get through those different
layers of states of mind, you know what I'm saying.
So like you would think that they would be scared
to go to sleep that I don't know, it just
doesn't compute to me. Man, Oh yeah, dude, I can't
believe that.

Speaker 4 (01:23:45):
It's unbelievable. Yeah, I mean, because it's human nature to meditate.
Think about you know, even the cave man would meditate,
you know, like think about the people that would be,
you know, trying to create a bonfire, just sitting in
front of a fire.

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
I mean most people. Whenever you're around a bonfire.

Speaker 4 (01:24:02):
You know, what are you gonna do? You're just gonna
stare off into that light. Dude, You're just gonna stare
into that flame. And by staring into that flame, it's
gonna make you go inside of your mind. It's something
to focus on that allows you to go into your mind.
And that must be satanic too, I think.

Speaker 5 (01:24:16):
Isn't that so funny though, how that's automatic, because as
soon as you said about the campfire, I was like,
I remember times where I'm just like people could be
talking and I'm just like in a daze, just kind
of I guess I'm meditating. You know, I didn't know
that that was what I was doing, but like, you
just can't help it. Almost. Oh.

Speaker 4 (01:24:32):
The same goes for like when you're driving, same thing,
you know, you just go into a daze like, uh, okay, well,
I mean this what I'm looking at is quite boring.
I'm just seeing lines on a road and cars pass by.
Maybe the occasional somebody that flips me off whatever, right,
but for the most part, it's pretty boring. You're going
to go into your mind. Now, it's up to you
whether you want to access the lower parts of your

(01:24:54):
mind or the higher parts of your mind. But all
of that all together would be meditation. And you know,
so anyway, you know, think about it, like first degree murder,
second degree murder, third degree murder type stuff. A lot
of it they say meditated on, right, Like the first
degree is meditated on that meaning they thought about it,
they planned it out. It's premeditated, right, And so it's

(01:25:18):
you know what I mean. So anyway, Uh, this one
he's talking about, who are you following? If you're a Christian,
who are you following? Are you following the Bible, you're
following the Church, you're following the religion, You following Jesus
or you following following Christ? Two different things going on there.
Let's see what he has to say here.

Speaker 11 (01:25:36):
All right.

Speaker 9 (01:25:38):
The word Christ comes from Sanskrit, which is the most
ancient language, and the word Christ comes from the Sanskrit
word are.

Speaker 10 (01:25:50):
You ready for this? Everybody?

Speaker 9 (01:25:52):
Krishna, That's where it comes from. And in one Indian language, Bengal,
Christna is called Christo. You see, you can never be Jesus,
but you can become Christ. Once again, you can never

(01:26:15):
become Jesus, but you can become Christ. That's what the
entire Christmas story is about. That's what Jesus tried to
teach us. That is what has been lost in the
buying and the selling. The money changers have totally polluted
the temple and they've ripped the stable out of the soul.

Speaker 10 (01:26:35):
And what have they done with this? They've placed it
under a tree.

Speaker 9 (01:26:39):
The stable that is in you, that is your precious
holy place where the Virgin gives birth.

Speaker 10 (01:26:43):
They've taken it out and they've put it under a
tree with cows and sheep and stuff. I follow God,
I follow Jesus.

Speaker 9 (01:26:56):
I am not a Christian. If you're a Christian, that
it's impossible to be a christ. And that's the great secret.
Once you accept yourself as a Christian, you have barred.

Speaker 10 (01:27:11):
Yourself from being Christ.

Speaker 9 (01:27:13):
You've cut yourself off from being Christ.

Speaker 10 (01:27:16):
You become a follower.

Speaker 9 (01:27:19):
See, you start to follow Christ because you're instructed to.

Speaker 10 (01:27:22):
You're instructed to follow Christ.

Speaker 9 (01:27:26):
And a follower is an imitator. You try to do
things by what the church says or what the religious says.
You cannot follow religion and have the Christ born within you. You
can't be part of any religion and have Christmas unfold

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within you. That's what's so important, and it's so difficult
because everybody's part of a religion. And then you realize, well,
the Christ's consciousness does not existing in this world. Well,
and that's why there was so much violence and sickness,
and hey, we have missed it.

Speaker 10 (01:28:04):
We have not become the Christ. Instead, we are.

Speaker 9 (01:28:07):
Following these different groups who are telling us what it
means instead of actually going to the source. Now, Jesus said,
if you do what he says, you will know the truth,
and the truth will set you free. Then what's the

(01:28:27):
question about, why are we doing what a pastor says?
Why are we doing what a government says? Why are
we doing what a church says? Because we're all in
bondage to the stresses and to the violence that make
us sick and kill us. At an early age, Jesus said,
if you do what he says, you'll know the truth
and the truth will set you free.

Speaker 10 (01:28:46):
Why not do what he said? It's so simple to
do what he said.

Speaker 9 (01:28:50):
It doesn't cost you any money, you don't have to
go anywhere.

Speaker 10 (01:28:53):
I mean, why not?

Speaker 9 (01:28:55):
So you have to seek truth, But if you're part
of any religious beliefs, then you already have prejudices that
you cannot see the truth. If I turn around and say, look,
this is what Jesus said, your religion said, well, but
we're not supposed to do this. We're not supposed to
do that. Jesus says, you're supposed to watch. So I said, well,

(01:29:16):
we do the watching meditations. But your church says, oh,
we're not supposed to you know, we're not supposed to
do that meditate and kind of stuff. So what happens
Then you have a preconceived notion you're part of a
religious belief.

Speaker 10 (01:29:29):
You're cut off from becoming the drug.

Speaker 9 (01:29:30):
You have to take everything you have ever learned, everything
your mother ever taught you about religion, everything your family
ever taught you about religion, everything every school, every religious institution,
every pastor ever taught you about religion, and you have
to to go away. You have to actually unload everything everything,

(01:29:51):
and then you come with virgin, pure consciousness, prepared to
give birth to the Christ Child inside of him.

Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
Who baby. Yes, that's that's pretty solid there.

Speaker 4 (01:30:04):
And I like the point that he's making because what
he's saying is is that, look, you know, you can
go into a church and you can have a pastor
up there try and tell you what Jesus was saying
and explain to you what he meant by certain things.
But you're just a watcher at that point. You're not
doing you know, and and the way to do like
Jesus was saying, you can do all these things and better, right,

(01:30:27):
So don't just you know, uh, I mean, yes, it's
it's probably important to learn what he said and and
to understand what he the things that he was doing
and why he was doing them and whatnot. But that's
not the whole purpose. The purpose is is so that
you learn from him and then incorporate that into your
life so that that way you can become like him

(01:30:48):
and maybe even better.

Speaker 3 (01:30:49):
Those are his words.

Speaker 4 (01:30:51):
So you're not gonna do that by sitting on the sidelines.
You know, like, you got to get yourself in the game,
and the best way to get yourself in.

Speaker 5 (01:30:58):
The game is new meditation.

Speaker 4 (01:31:00):
And that's that's kind of what he was saying. And
it's just mind boggling that the church is like, oh, yeah,
I don't know about meditation. You know, that's a dangerous thing.
It's like, bro, your homeboy, the literal reason why you're
able to develop this cult that you've you've created is
because your homeboy was telling everybody what to do, and
you're just telling them, ah, you know, we're followers of Jesus.

Speaker 3 (01:31:23):
But not that sentence. It's like, what some of those.

Speaker 5 (01:31:26):
Things don't do that? You know's yeah, that's a trip.

Speaker 7 (01:31:31):
It is.

Speaker 3 (01:31:31):
It is.

Speaker 4 (01:31:32):
So anyway, all right, we got a couple more here.
All right, He's going to get into a little bit
of the meditation stuff here, which I find, you know,
because he talks about how everybody needs to come to meditation.
You should meditate, find that Christ within you, raise your consciousness,
get out of that carnal mind and stop looking at
everything from a left brain or you know, the the

(01:31:55):
literal understanding of this world, and look at everything in
more of a conscious level of understanding, a spiritual level
of understanding, understanding that we are all we are, dude,
We're just fucking we're spirits and we're you know, humans
for a little while. That's it, but at the core
we are spirits. So yeah, let's see what he has

(01:32:16):
to say about meditation here in just a second, here
we go.

Speaker 9 (01:32:21):
So real meditation is learning to be still, as the
Bible says, be still and know that I am God.
Be still and understand the I am is God.

Speaker 6 (01:32:35):
That is within you.

Speaker 9 (01:32:36):
The creative power within you is either good or evil. Now,
people give you a lot of techniques and.

Speaker 10 (01:32:42):
How to meditate.

Speaker 9 (01:32:43):
But the problem with the techniques of how to meditate
is if you are following a technique, you are doing something.
You cannot follow a technique unless you do something and
as soon as you start doing something, you're not meditating.

Speaker 13 (01:32:59):
I'm gonna do this, and I'm gonna take three breaths,
and I'm gonna visualize a candle burning in the middle
of You know, when you're doing all of this, your
mind is doing all of that.

Speaker 6 (01:33:11):
And that's not meditation.

Speaker 9 (01:33:13):
There's a great book I don't know if you'll be
able to find it, as written by a fourteenth century
Catholic monk. It's called The Cloud of Unknowing. An obscure
book written by an obscure man.

Speaker 6 (01:33:24):
But it's an excellent book about meditation, and it takes you.

Speaker 9 (01:33:27):
To the point where it only works if there is
an absolute total consumption on your part into nothingness. And
that's not that easy from the standpoint of achieving it,
because if you stop for just ten fifteen seconds and
let your mind sit, you'll see that your mind is like.

Speaker 10 (01:33:44):
A monkey cage in there.

Speaker 9 (01:33:46):
There's things swinging back and forth and chirping and going
on all the time because you've never allowed it to
be still. Nobody ever told you. Even in church and
religion they say God is where God is here in
my heart. What does that mean with the heart? The
heart means the center.

Speaker 6 (01:34:02):
It's here.

Speaker 9 (01:34:03):
That thing which we call God is in the center.
It's here, but we've never paid any attention to it.
Most of us never even knew we had a write
hemisphere of the brain. Most of us never knew we
had a penny, a gland of the brain. Never understood
these things because the Church wouldn't allow us.

Speaker 6 (01:34:17):
They said that the man up here with the robond
will save you if you'll just do what you're told.

Speaker 9 (01:34:21):
Get up when you're told, neil when you're told, Sing
when you're told, put the money in when you're told,
get out when you're.

Speaker 6 (01:34:25):
Told, come back when you're told.

Speaker 9 (01:34:26):
Oh, it is nonsense, instead of understanding, there is a
need for a renewal to happen within each one of us.

Speaker 6 (01:34:33):
And that renewal comes.

Speaker 9 (01:34:34):
Very, very easily if we simply expose ourselves to this power,
so the.

Speaker 6 (01:34:39):
Mind cannot be involved.

Speaker 9 (01:34:41):
And look at the book of Matthew, And what does
Matthew say, What does Jesus Christ say?

Speaker 6 (01:34:47):
Okay, Matthew chapter six, Matthew.

Speaker 9 (01:34:50):
Chapter six, And look at verse twenty five. Okay, take
no thought Matthew chapter six, Verse twenty five. For your life.

Speaker 6 (01:34:59):
Okay, look at verse twenty.

Speaker 9 (01:35:01):
Seven, which of you, by taking thought can add one
cubit Verse twenty eight, why take you thought?

Speaker 6 (01:35:08):
Okay, look at verse thirty one.

Speaker 9 (01:35:11):
Take no thought, and look at verse thirty four. Take
no thought, meditate, go in and separate from the thoughts
of the mind, so that you receive new information from
that still small voice.

Speaker 10 (01:35:21):
Which is within you.

Speaker 9 (01:35:22):
You receive direction and you're able then to con deal.

Speaker 6 (01:35:25):
With anything that comes against you.

Speaker 8 (01:35:27):
Okay.

Speaker 9 (01:35:28):
And there's an interesting thing that's numerology in there.

Speaker 6 (01:35:32):
What the people of the East did in order to
make a point. They involve numerology in everything.

Speaker 9 (01:35:39):
The number five means that which is the sacrifice, and
it also signifies the five senses of site, taste, touch, smell.

Speaker 6 (01:35:46):
And hearing.

Speaker 9 (01:35:46):
That's why Jesus took the five wounds of hands, feed inside,
because when you crucify or when you shut down the
five senses, that's the crucifixion of the flesh.

Speaker 10 (01:35:54):
And you do that in the meditation.

Speaker 6 (01:35:56):
And if you look at.

Speaker 9 (01:35:57):
Chapter Matthew, chapter six, at verse twenty five, Jesus says
take no thought five times, and it's very important. That's
that's that's a contrived way that the people of the
East wrote, take no thought, Take no thought, Take no thought,
and he's making that to be number five because he's
talking about the five senses and he's talking about the

(01:36:18):
sacrifices of flood. You have to understand that meditation is
the center. Okay, meditation is the center, and it depends
on you being centered.

Speaker 3 (01:36:32):
All right, So take no thought? Yeah exactly there.

Speaker 5 (01:36:37):
I mean what do you think that means.

Speaker 3 (01:36:39):
Right, I mean take no thought.

Speaker 4 (01:36:41):
I mean people who are you know, experienced meditators understand
exactly what that means. You know, like whenever you're whenever
you're trying to get into that meditative state to try
and you know, knock at that door of wisdom and
go through the pearly gates to access that that those
Acosta records and stuff you're not supposed to be paying

(01:37:01):
attention to. Oh shit, my phone bills do tomorrow? Oh man,
I forgot those dishes in the sink. Oh I gotta,
you know, go outside and pick up dog shit or
whatever the case may be. It's it's like, take no thought.
Don't worry about those little carnal lower mind human physical
world type stuff. You gotta pay more attention to what

(01:37:22):
you're accessing and center yourself and take no thought to it.
And you know, you can have thoughts, just don't put
any emotion to them, and that, I believe is what
he was trying to say. And I thought it was interesting.
And he's like, look he said this five times, you know,
and what he's about to get to that basically like
back in those days, if somebody said something like I

(01:37:43):
I said do.

Speaker 3 (01:37:44):
This, I said do this, I said do this, I
said do this'.

Speaker 4 (01:37:47):
It's like you know, whenever you're a little kid, right
and your mom is like, hey, clean your room, right,
and then you don't go clean your room because you
forgot that she even existed for a moment and she's like, hey,
go clean your room. And you know, it's like, all right, well,
let me go the bathroom real quick, go clean your
fucking room. And like she says it, says it, says it,
and finally the fifth time, she's like, go clean your room,

(01:38:08):
and now it's like, oh shit, I guess I'll clean
my room now, right. And so the point being is
that he would say it that many times to really
get the point across, like he really wants you to
know this, And but he's about to get into it
a little bit here. But I find that interesting though,
right that Jesus was saying this.

Speaker 5 (01:38:25):
Oh yeah, ude, And you know, it wasn't even it
didn't even have to be uttered a sixth time. It
was just the look. You know, yeah, we get the look.
You don't want to look.

Speaker 3 (01:38:33):
That's the call before the storm.

Speaker 5 (01:38:34):
That's the telepathy. Shit, right there, You already know what's
being said in her mind, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:38:38):
Oh yeah, yeah, and it's like and it's usually not good,
like that's hell, that's fire, that's brimstone. That's the devil
coming after my ass if I don't go clean my room. Right, So,
here's another little video he's it's just a continuation, but
check it out.

Speaker 9 (01:38:54):
Okay, not really that shock, but anyhow, there are three
circles which are outside.

Speaker 10 (01:38:59):
Of the center.

Speaker 6 (01:39:01):
Okay, the center is the point of meditation. The center
is the point where you want to go.

Speaker 4 (01:39:06):
By the way before he goes any farther with this,
I kid you not. I probably watched five hundred videos
on this guy in the past, in the past, but
a lot especially today just gearing up for this episode.
And so the videos that I'm showing, I've seen them
all right, And this is why. And it's not to
say that, you know, some are more important than others,

(01:39:26):
like you're not going to be able to get sixty
hours in one episode, right, But these were the parts
that I thought were very important, especially regarding metamisteries and
just to try and get a little a little taste
about what he's talking about here. So this is going
to be a little bit of a longer one, but
I promise it's gold right here.

Speaker 6 (01:39:47):
Take the first circle is this place of feeling.

Speaker 9 (01:39:53):
That's closest to the center, the place of feeling when
you have a feeling about something. Meditation is not their
mind is there, doesn't.

Speaker 6 (01:40:03):
Make any difference what you're feeling. But when you have
a feeling about something.

Speaker 9 (01:40:08):
I feel blue, I feel happy, I got a strange feeling,
I got a negative feeling.

Speaker 6 (01:40:13):
I'm feeling bad vibes and good vibes. You're feeling.

Speaker 9 (01:40:16):
You're not meditating. You're not in the center. You're in
circle number one.

Speaker 6 (01:40:20):
Okay.

Speaker 9 (01:40:21):
The second, which is further from the center, is thinking. Okay,
And that happens a lot many times when you're in
the center in meditation, you suddenly find yourself drifting out.
You lose kind of touch with the mothership, and your
umbilical cord kind of tethers, and you find yourself floating

(01:40:43):
out into the second circle, which is thinking. Okay, thinking
is not meditation. A lot of people say, well, you know,
meditation is you should think about a candle or think
about a you can do those things in there that
there's not not the I don't teach that kind of meditation.
I don't teach meditation in which you try to make

(01:41:06):
yourself happy or make I teach the kind of meditation
which tries to get you to the center.

Speaker 10 (01:41:11):
To where you meet the Christ.

Speaker 6 (01:41:13):
How did you know?

Speaker 9 (01:41:16):
Well, thank you, thank you? Okay, she had a feeling
and she thought it was a good idea.

Speaker 14 (01:41:28):
But there's another all right, very good, because the third
circle is activity. Okay, So what you did, grag, and
what you did is exactly the point.

Speaker 6 (01:41:44):
Meditation is nothingness.

Speaker 9 (01:41:46):
You had a feeling, you thought you should do.

Speaker 6 (01:41:49):
This, and you acted on it.

Speaker 9 (01:41:51):
Now do you see where in in corporate America how
they start teaching people. Don't be acting and being at
if without understanding what you're thinking. Get in touch with
your feelings, but start from the center. Okay, and basically
that's the essence of meditation. So the first thing is
we look here that we have to consider is to

(01:42:16):
move inward from the furthest circle, which is activity, because
we're out here, we're not in here, we're not in
the center. We're way out here. See, we're trying to
make a landing, a pinpoint landing.

Speaker 6 (01:42:30):
If you would.

Speaker 9 (01:42:30):
We're parachuting from the furthest point and we're going to
make a pinpoint landing. And the first thing we got
to deal with is activity. And that's the easiest one
of all. You say, okay, on Tuesday night or Thursday.

Speaker 10 (01:42:42):
Night and we have these meditations.

Speaker 9 (01:42:44):
I will come and you sit on the floor, you
kick your shoes off, do whatever you want to do.

Speaker 6 (01:42:48):
You sit in the chair.

Speaker 10 (01:42:49):
Wherever you go.

Speaker 6 (01:42:51):
But you are going.

Speaker 9 (01:42:52):
To change the activity that you had planned. And it
is totally one under your control. There is no god
in the universe that's going to make you do it
or can make you do it. And if there is
no God that can make you do it, that makes
you god. So you then will create the activity.

Speaker 10 (01:43:12):
You are the God.

Speaker 6 (01:43:13):
You create the activity.

Speaker 9 (01:43:14):
You'll either stop or you'll continue with what you're doing.
So that's the first thing that we've got to move.
We got to move with that outer circle and deal
with activity. Sitting silently moves you towards the next circle
and away from the outer circle of activity. Now, what
the Buddha did was to sit in the lotus position.

(01:43:35):
And and you see, you see the statue of the Buddha,
the Buddha.

Speaker 6 (01:43:40):
Is in the lotus position with the leg.

Speaker 9 (01:43:42):
I like to sit in here and do that here
when I do the meditation on Tuesday, because I found
it to be very effective for me.

Speaker 6 (01:43:50):
There's other people like jont.

Speaker 9 (01:43:51):
Can't do it because she has a bad back, so
she can't sit like that, and and and and what
I find lots of times is with the fact that
the low is concrete, there is a tendency.

Speaker 6 (01:44:04):
For your leg to go to sleep.

Speaker 9 (01:44:05):
But that I've learned a new Buddhic trick that when
you're in meditation, you place your hands together like this,
which forms an electrical circuit, and the energy then flows
in a circle. The electrical energy flows in the circle.
And I said that when your leg starts to go
to sleep, and I guess this happens to all of them,
because Buddha told them what to do. Separate your hand,
put one hand on your knee and the other hand

(01:44:27):
on your heel, and it goes away. And you know something,
it does and I tried, it's really a funny thing,
but it does, okay, So that's what we have to do.

Speaker 15 (01:44:36):
The lotus position is extremely RESTful and it's very scientific
because the spine then is placed at a ninety degree
angle with the earth and gravitation is minimized.

Speaker 9 (01:44:46):
That's why it's a good thing if you can do it.
To sit in a lotus position and your legs are crossed,
your hands are resting on one another or resting on
your legs, then the body electricity starts moving in a circle.
And that's why the lotus position was taught by the Buddha,
and it becomes in an inner electrical circuit and the

(01:45:08):
energy starts to move throughout the entire body in a
circular pattern. So what we're talking about now is not
a hocus focus, has nothing to do with Christianity or
Buddhism or any religion.

Speaker 6 (01:45:17):
We're talking about a scientific fact.

Speaker 9 (01:45:20):
The best thing that we can all do. And I've
even said I like to see people refer to God
as it and take it out of the male female sting.

Speaker 10 (01:45:28):
It just it.

Speaker 6 (01:45:28):
It's a power, it's an energy and intelligence.

Speaker 9 (01:45:32):
Somebody say, wow, you know if it's intelligent, it must
be No, photon is intelligent?

Speaker 6 (01:45:36):
Am I?

Speaker 10 (01:45:36):
Am I?

Speaker 6 (01:45:37):
True? Photon isn't you know?

Speaker 13 (01:45:39):
Photon?

Speaker 9 (01:45:39):
Photon is a beam of light, and in a beam
of light, it's invisible, and it's the speed of light.

Speaker 6 (01:45:48):
It's intelligent.

Speaker 9 (01:45:48):
It'll find the shortest way, it'll create things.

Speaker 6 (01:45:51):
There's no time in photon.

Speaker 9 (01:45:53):
If you're in photon, the Big Bang, the creation of
the universe, and today are instantaneous. So God could be
foun Remember we're gonna make bumper stickers, hunk. If you
love photon, do you remember that what we were doing?

Speaker 6 (01:46:07):
But it's true, that's what it is.

Speaker 9 (01:46:10):
So as your electricity then starts to moving in a circle.

Speaker 6 (01:46:15):
You become the center. You become the center of the circle,
and all.

Speaker 9 (01:46:19):
Of the energy begins to move around you and your
consciousness and rest in this electric NITYA that's the purpose
of the lotus posture and why people use it.

Speaker 6 (01:46:28):
Okay, And that's also the way we can start.

Speaker 9 (01:46:32):
Using activity to move from this outer circle and start
moving ourselves into the innerer. And I'll tell you something.
I don't care how much of a born again Christian,
how much of a good Jew or whatever you are.
Nothing is gonna work unless you start doing this and
start moving the brain waves down to the cyclic rhythm
of the brain weaves down from theta what is it,

(01:46:53):
beta to alpha. So you gotta go from beta to
alpha to theta to delt. If you don't, you can
forget about it.

Speaker 6 (01:47:04):
The Holy Spirit, absolutely forget about it.

Speaker 9 (01:47:07):
There is no Holy Spirit unless you get out of
beta and move into alpha. It doesn't exist. It's a
very scientific principle. When you get those people up to
Djankowitz's backyard and they're all seeing Mary.

Speaker 6 (01:47:18):
Sure they are, there's no doubt they are.

Speaker 9 (01:47:21):
But how come because the brain weighs because of this meditation.

Speaker 6 (01:47:24):
They're into the energy is starting to.

Speaker 9 (01:47:26):
Move, and they're starting to move out of beta down
into alpha, and this opens the visionary process. When you
get down to the theater, you cross over into the
right hemisphere of.

Speaker 6 (01:47:34):
The brain and when you get to deltha you're gone.
But you have to. It can't work.

Speaker 10 (01:47:40):
Any other way.

Speaker 6 (01:47:41):
But unfortunately, the part.

Speaker 9 (01:47:42):
With Christianity that is so bad they know nothing about
this And the entire religion is based in beta.

Speaker 6 (01:47:49):
It's all emotions. I mean, even the music, and we
used to be into it hot and heavy.

Speaker 9 (01:47:55):
You know.

Speaker 16 (01:47:56):
The music is banging and tambourines and banging, and am
I get to Heaven? And when I say Jesus, and
everybody's jumping and shouting and jumping and carrying around and
it is totally emotional, which you know is not See,
this thing is not a social thing.

Speaker 6 (01:48:13):
It's not a thing of a group type of entertainment.
This thing is an extremely.

Speaker 9 (01:48:18):
Private personal encounter with you, deep within yourself. So it
has to be silent, and as the Bible says over
and over again, be still.

Speaker 6 (01:48:25):
God lives in silence. The Lord is in his holy temple.

Speaker 9 (01:48:28):
Let everyone be silent in this presence.

Speaker 6 (01:48:30):
And when you're silent in the presence.

Speaker 9 (01:48:32):
Deep within you, then your brain waves will start to
move from twenty six down to sixteen, down to eight,
down to four, and you'll move from beta to alpha
then into theta and on you go.

Speaker 3 (01:48:42):
Yeah, baby, yeah, damn.

Speaker 5 (01:48:46):
And I was just thinking too, you know how after
I started meditating, I started having more dreams, you know,
like I feel like that definitely helped me unlock the
ability to dream and actually remember my dreams, and so
I imagine that would be hard to do to get
into a meditative state if you're if you're scared of
the possibility of some evil entity entering your mind.

Speaker 4 (01:49:07):
Oh yeah, dude, Yeah, So I I really just wanted
to you know, he talks a lot about meditation, and
there's obviously a lot more to it. It was like
a whole hour or two hours or whatever it was
that was just kind of like the the the bits
that I thought was uh was pretty good. So yeah,
I mean, it's it's important. And I like the reference
that he made there at the end whenever he was like, look,

(01:49:29):
you know there are there are four states of consciousness.
You know, you got beta, Alpha, Theta, delta. Some people
say Gamma is the final one, but but beta, that's
absolutely true. You know, like whenever the closest you're going
to come to being in UH in alpha, which is
you know, the light trance is whenever you're in prayer. Right,

(01:49:50):
But if you're if you're just you know, uh, sitting
at a pew and you got a pastor or a
priest and he's up there trying to teach you about it.
It's like that's all beta. Whenever you got the loud
music playing, beta, whenever you are you know, donating your
tithe dollars beta. Like, none of this is really teaching
you to go into yourself. It's just about following. And

(01:50:11):
that's that's the that's the I forget the word to it.
But that's kind of the conundrum basically, is is is
what's going on with that that it's it's showing you,
it's teaching you the words of the way, but not
necessarily carrying out or helping you carry out the specific
actions of what Jesus was actually trying to say.

Speaker 5 (01:50:32):
So experiencing these things for yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:50:36):
Yeah, yeah, So this is the final video that I
have for the class today, and he's going to get
into what so God right, God in the Bible, some
people say his name is Yahweh. Some people say his
name is Jehovah, right, But it's all really taken. It's
the same thing. It's just understood differently. And so Yahweh

(01:51:00):
is basically YHVH I think, or something like that. And
then you got Jehovah being jvhw.

Speaker 3 (01:51:09):
Or whatever it is.

Speaker 4 (01:51:10):
I don't know exactly, but it's basically these words, and
they're like, see that God said what his name was,
but all he said was listen to this all he
said whenever it's talking about Yahweh and Jehovah, he's just saying,
I am that I am, and they got Yahweh from that.
It's like, what, like, just listen to what he's saying,
I am that I am and he goes into it.

(01:51:32):
He does a great deal of breaking, you know, the
symbolism out with this one.

Speaker 3 (01:51:36):
Check it out.

Speaker 9 (01:51:37):
Dude, Ask anything in my name in the way I
tell you, and he says, I will do it. John
fourteen fourteen A. We're gonna have some.

Speaker 10 (01:51:48):
Mystical stop here.

Speaker 9 (01:51:49):
What did he say, ask anything in my name in
meditation the way I tell you, and I will do it?
And how can he do it?

Speaker 10 (01:51:56):
Because he said that the Father would do it?

Speaker 8 (01:51:58):
What is the Father's name?

Speaker 9 (01:52:01):
If you go to the Book of Exodus and then
the Book of Exodus, chapter three, verse thirteen, you'll see
that Moses was in the desert. You know what that means.
What does desert means? Desert means confusion. Moses was in confusion.
Let's let's follow this you remember Moses went to the
burning bush.

Speaker 6 (01:52:17):
Let's follow this.

Speaker 9 (01:52:17):
Here's Moses, he's you. He's in the desert. Means he's confused.
He doesn't know which way to turn. All of these
words are symbolic. That's the way the Easterners wrote the Bible. Okay,
So he goes up to the mountains. What Jesus is
talking about, that's the higher consciousness, the Father, the higher
consciousness is the mountain.

Speaker 6 (01:52:36):
Okay.

Speaker 9 (01:52:36):
He sees a bush. The bush is that which is
attached to the earth. That means in the center of
his carnal mind, which is attached to the earth, is
the carnal mind. That's the human mind that you and
I use. And in the midst of that bush he
sees a fire. Fire means spirit. So what does it mean.
It means that Moses, who was confused, raised his conscious
level overwhelmed right in the middle.

Speaker 6 (01:52:56):
Of his carnal mind.

Speaker 9 (01:52:57):
He saw that which is the spirit, not what is
physical eyes.

Speaker 10 (01:53:01):
He saw it with his.

Speaker 9 (01:53:02):
Single eye, as Jesus tells you, if your eye be single.
And what happened. He then receives this message from that
which is the great communicator, that which is the cosmic
entity the higher consciousness squares where God's the universal God
speaks and what is the name? He asks, what is
your name? And then God gives his name.

Speaker 6 (01:53:19):
And this is the name that is given.

Speaker 9 (01:53:22):
Ready for this I. That's God's name. I am, that,
I am Y two. I am because it's y H,
which is the male, w H, which is the female
in all as Jesus said, when God created him, he
made it a male and female. It is that part
of all of us, the spirit and the mind, male

(01:53:43):
and female, male mind, female spirit. Okay, he made the
male and fi. So his name is I and so
this and then through through tradition, this y H w
H started to be pronounced yahweh, And that's how the
word yahweh came.

Speaker 6 (01:53:56):
God didn't make that up.

Speaker 10 (01:53:57):
That we made that up.

Speaker 9 (01:53:59):
But when the really moved to Europe, there was no
y in Latin, so it became I, and there was H,
but there was no W, so that became V and
there was an H. And this I in Latin is
pronounced J, so it.

Speaker 10 (01:54:13):
Became j H v H.

Speaker 9 (01:54:15):
And we made it. Jehovah wasn't and we made it up.
But these figures, these characters that stand for I am
and I am are the male and the female, which
is in all of So the name of God is
I say, if you really want to, if you really
and this will really get your your your your friends
freaked out at you. But this is what you say
if they say, what.

Speaker 8 (01:54:35):
Is your name?

Speaker 9 (01:54:36):
Of your name may be Charlie, or your name may
be Harry who plays right field for New York Weins,
General Strawberry, Okay, we got that. Who's catching now for
the San Francisco Giants.

Speaker 8 (01:54:44):
Gary Carter?

Speaker 10 (01:54:44):
Okay, who's the great.

Speaker 8 (01:54:45):
Ball player for the Chicago Bulls. What's his name?

Speaker 9 (01:54:49):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (01:54:49):
Well, anyhow you know?

Speaker 9 (01:54:50):
And I shoot the who? What is that thing?

Speaker 6 (01:54:52):
Frank Kho's got it?

Speaker 9 (01:54:53):
Plays for the Chicago Bulls. A great basketball player? Huh? Johnson?
Here are worse than somebody said us the name we're
drawing a black. But what I'm trying to say is
you identify people by their name, God's name as I am.
So when somebody says to you who is God?

Speaker 6 (01:55:06):
You say I am and say, oh, he believes that
he's God.

Speaker 9 (01:55:10):
Oh no, no, no, no, it's not that me.

Speaker 10 (01:55:13):
It is I.

Speaker 9 (01:55:14):
The higher consciousness is I. So when Jesus says, ask
anything in my name, Ask anything in the way I
tell you via meditation, and I will do it. That
does not mean Jesus will because Jesus said he can
do nothing. It means I.

Speaker 10 (01:55:30):
Will do it.

Speaker 9 (01:55:31):
And what did Jesus say, I and the Father are one?
That means I is the center of your consciousness?

Speaker 6 (01:55:38):
I am that.

Speaker 8 (01:55:40):
I am.

Speaker 9 (01:55:40):
So as you ask in the way that Jesus said,
you raise yourself to the higher consciousness. You come to
the center of your own existence, which is God, which
is I, in that place above human thought, and there
that which is the eye will do as long as
you ask, simply for that power, that wisdom, that understanding
come pouring down and to lift you up above all

(01:56:03):
of these things which are of the things of the
lower mind.

Speaker 3 (01:56:06):
Bill Freaking Donna Hugh bro.

Speaker 5 (01:56:11):
May did his share of feather ruffling, if you will.

Speaker 3 (01:56:14):
Oh yeah, dude, Yeah, you definitely did.

Speaker 4 (01:56:17):
I actually messed up. I forgot that I had one more.
I think I was actually saving this one for last
on purpose. But it's less than two minutes. Definitely check
it out.

Speaker 3 (01:56:24):
Let's see.

Speaker 9 (01:56:25):
Legend will warn you that you're getting into something. But
Jesus Christ is saying that what He's telling you these
things are going to have to happen inside of you
if you're going to experience the Second Coming. If you're
going to experience the Second Coming, then you've got to
leave everything that you have experienced in your life. You

(01:56:46):
are missing the Second Coming of Christ because the Second
Coming of Christ does not happen outside. It happens inside,
just where Jesus said it happened John fourteen twenty. At
that time, you will know I am in the Father
you and me, and I in you, And if you
are not in you, you are missing the Second Coming
of Crime.

Speaker 4 (01:57:02):
Okay, we played that all right? Well I guess uh
that's what we got there. And uh so yeah, Sean,
what do you think of old Bill Donahue?

Speaker 5 (01:57:10):
Bro I love it, dude. I love the information that
that he's come across and just how he understands it, dude.
Like I when I was I was watching some of
his longer form videos and he just goes, dude, And
there's times where he's just so into it and he
understands it so well, he just wants to get it out,
you know, And I'm impressed.

Speaker 4 (01:57:31):
Oh yeah, he's like the energizer Bunny with this stuff, dude,
just the way he can just rattle on and on
and on.

Speaker 3 (01:57:37):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:57:38):
So, yeah, we wanted to bring this one to the
show today, and we thought that it was pretty important.
You know, we've done shows on Dolores Cannon, We've done
shows on many other people before, and we thought Bill
Donna Hue definitely deserved an episode, especially with all of
the research and understanding that he was able to bring

(01:57:58):
to the people back in the night. And so we're
just hoping that that spirit lives on through this show
a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:58:06):
Yeah, I think we just got to figure out what
happened to this guy. Yeah, that's a Now, that's a mystery,
it seems.

Speaker 3 (01:58:11):
Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:58:12):
I couldn't even find a Wikipedia on him and nothing weird,
so strange. But but yeah, anyway, Sean, do you think
it's Tarot time?

Speaker 8 (01:58:21):
Sir?

Speaker 5 (01:58:22):
Oh, it's absolutely terroot time. You knew it was, you
knew it was coming. Yeah, we got the nine of Swords,
which is interesting, the number nine.

Speaker 3 (01:58:30):
Oh yeah, nine being the content.

Speaker 5 (01:58:35):
Also, this is my new tarot deck that my wife
got me for my birthday. So it's the traditional writer
way tarot deck. So I'm pretty pretty proud of it.

Speaker 4 (01:58:46):
Hell yeah, well that is a It's an awesome deck
to have, especially if you're trying to understand the symbolism.
To be honest with you, we probably should have.

Speaker 3 (01:58:55):
Started with that.

Speaker 4 (01:58:56):
That way we'd be able to, you know, look at
other decks and determine. All right, well, I don't need
to see the symbolism that's in the rider Weight deck.
I already know what the Nine of Swords means or
something like that. But I mean, hey, better late than never,
and we're always learning.

Speaker 3 (01:59:12):
It's not a race, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:59:13):
So the Nine of Swords interesting an anxious Oh boy,
an anxious mind leads to restless nights. Explore how you
handle worry and stress to transform its impact.

Speaker 5 (01:59:30):
WHOA Like Medite a little bit?

Speaker 4 (01:59:33):
A challenging and fraught card, The Nine of Swords opens
the floodgates to anxious thoughts and worries that keep you
up at night. The figure on this card sits upright
in bed, alone in darkness, as nine swords dangle ominously
above her head. Are these swords real or are they imagined?
Worst case scenarios? The blanket that covers her depict red roses,

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symbolic of love. Showing that there is compassion surrounding her
if she would only uncover her eyes and see. I
don't think we've ever pulled that card before.

Speaker 5 (02:00:06):
I don't think so.

Speaker 4 (02:00:07):
The the spiritual aspect, it says stress and anxiety are
taking a toll on your physical health. You may be
feeling alone or spending too much time ruminating about the
same things. Journaling, walking in nature, or spending time with
others can help you through these negative thoughts or should
we call them demons?

Speaker 5 (02:00:26):
Oh shit, I mean not as well. Huh, that's awesome, dude.
All right, I had a really cool well, it wasn't
cool in the moment, but what I've gotten from it
was was pretty positive, I think. But so I had
like what seemed like a sleep paralysis type of situation happened,
and it felt like it was like all night long,

(02:00:48):
you know. Basically, it wasn't even a thing where I thought, Man,
I'm stuck in sleep paralysis. I thought that was it. Dude,
I've had something similar, It was slightly similar, but this
was so much more strong as far as the feeling
of this is. It like I felt like remorse. I
felt like I didn't get to do what I wanted

(02:01:09):
to do. I didn't accomplish enough. I don't know. I
just felt like that, like it was over, dude. And
and then I finally woke up and everything was all right,
and I was just like fucking grateful, dude that it
wasn't over.

Speaker 3 (02:01:22):
You know, a little bit of that ego death.

Speaker 5 (02:01:25):
Absolutely, that was the first time I've ever had an
ego death for a dream or for an experience like that.
You know. I remember I was even like I was
trying to wake my wife up, and I remember moving
my arm and tapping on her because she's like, you know,
she's leaning right beside me, and I'm tapping on her,
tapping on her. And then it fades to I wasn't
doing that at all, and I'm still stuck in this

(02:01:47):
position and it's over, like it was.

Speaker 3 (02:01:50):
It was, fuck, dude, Oh my god, dude.

Speaker 4 (02:01:52):
Well, I mean, hey, look, there is a lot of
things that you can learn about the dark that helps
you appreciate the light, and the sleep prolysis is definitely
one of those.

Speaker 8 (02:02:02):
I know.

Speaker 3 (02:02:02):
Whenever I had the ego death, too, scariest fucking.

Speaker 4 (02:02:05):
Thing I could ever even imagine. Literally, It's like my
mind was like, what is the thing that would scare
him more than anything this and it was like see
it here it is and and yeah, but the thing
is is that you learned to like, oh my god,
like it's you learned the most from the things that
you overcome, you know, And that was definitely something that

(02:02:27):
was overcome for you, I think too. And and it
probably helped you appreciate some of the things that are
going on in your life, right.

Speaker 5 (02:02:34):
Oh yeah, dude, that next day was beautiful.

Speaker 15 (02:02:37):
You know.

Speaker 5 (02:02:37):
The whole day was just like, oh, I get to
still I get to still do this, you know. And yeah,
I just thought i'd share that because it was pretty profound,
you know. Oh that was actually before we recorded. It
was pretty weird. I went outside and I saw what
looked like a satellite and I was like, oh, I
haven't seen those in a while, you know. And I
was like, oh, maybe i'll see an orb or something.
And as soon as I I thought that, I saw
a flash and like I was looking in that direction,

(02:03:00):
I saw this flash and then it went away and
I was like, whoa, Like, I haven't seen this in
a while, dude. I thought they whatever's happening kind of
just forgot about me. You know. But then I was like, wait,
do that again? And then it did it again. Dude.
I was like, oh, like, it just felt like so
personal to me.

Speaker 9 (02:03:16):
Dude.

Speaker 5 (02:03:16):
It was fucking awesome.

Speaker 4 (02:03:17):
That's the thing right there, Dude. Did you kind of
get a little feeling of the paparazzi just like one camera.

Speaker 5 (02:03:22):
Actly what I thought? Yeah, it just looked like a
little flash of light, you know what I mean. It
wasn't in the corner of my eye. I mean I
was looking in that direction, and it was just like deliberate. Dude.
It was just like for me, you know. And I
was like, I fucking needed that today.

Speaker 3 (02:03:35):
That's what it is, dude. That is awesome.

Speaker 4 (02:03:37):
I'm so happy you're able to experience that well, and
especially like you had that sleep prowsses. That was the
night before your birthday too.

Speaker 5 (02:03:43):
Wasn't it. I think so? And dude, to be honest, man, like,
I wasn't even my birthday was coming up, dude, and
I didn't even want to really, you know, make a
big deal out of it, and it's like another year older.
I'm trying to not even think about it that way,
and and uh, dude, my birthday was just like the
best fucking day ever. Like my wife just went above
and beyond and just did so much for me, and

(02:04:03):
I don't know, dude, everything about it was just you know,
at the end of the night, we were having dinner
and I was just sitting there thinking, like I'm here
with my family and like it was just fucking it
was just awesome.

Speaker 10 (02:04:12):
Dude.

Speaker 5 (02:04:13):
I couldn't get over it.

Speaker 3 (02:04:14):
That's the good stuff right there, you know.

Speaker 4 (02:04:16):
So hey, dude, that's why it's important to uh to
raise your level of awareness, rise your level of consciousness,
get out of that carnal mind, get into you know,
the higher mind, because now you're looking at everything that
happens to you as kind of like a little symbol,
you know, And that's I mean, that's that's all there

(02:04:36):
is to it with that.

Speaker 3 (02:04:38):
So anyway, that is an awesome story.

Speaker 4 (02:04:41):
Thank you for sharing that with the one over there, Sean,
and you know, hopefully you guys really enjoyed, uh, Bill Donna, Hugh,
I know, I certainly do. Every time I come across
one of his videos, I'm just like a magnet to it.
And so yeah, I mean, and look, it's it's not
about who's right who's wrong, it's just asking to look
at it from a different perspective. And that's all, you know,

(02:05:04):
anybody's trying, that's all we're trying to do here. We
can't speak on behalf of anybody else, but that's all
we're trying to do here, is just broaden your perspective
a little bit. Get God and Jesus and all these
other spiritual figures out of the box that you put
them in, and stop limiting them and understand what they
meant internally, Like, how does that affect you? That is

(02:05:25):
the purpose of even understanding anything religious anyway, religious, but religion,
in my opinion, I always thought that it was kind
of a spiritual thing, so you should be looking at
everything spiritual. But I guess I'm just too much of
a woo woo whack job for that kind of conversation.

Speaker 9 (02:05:39):
Right.

Speaker 5 (02:05:40):
There was a time when I was younger, I'd go
and spend the night over at my god parents' house.
I had never gone to church. I didn't know anything
about this, but I went to church with them a
couple times, and in my mind, dude, I was like, oh, okay,
these are stories that are trying to tell me some
moral shit, you know, for me to understand. And that's
just how I thought it was. Dude, I never thought

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anything different, you know.

Speaker 4 (02:06:02):
Well, I mean, and that's kind of what I thought too,
I mean, to be honest, I didn't grow up in
that either, you know, like I didn't really understand all
the references. I didn't know what God was, and I
think the most people to this day don't know what
God is, you know. And I like how he was like,
you know, I don't like calling it a he or
a she.

Speaker 3 (02:06:19):
It's more of an it.

Speaker 4 (02:06:20):
It's a power it is, you know, it is consciousness itself.
And you know, I think that that's that's powerful.

Speaker 5 (02:06:27):
So even he even actually uh not to cut you off.
He actually went into that in one of his longer
form videos. He was talking about how you know about
the creation story, you know, about how we were made
in it was like you were made in our image,
you know what I mean, And so it was almost
like the man and the woman because obviously we got
women too, you know, and so like then God is

(02:06:48):
like both you know.

Speaker 4 (02:06:50):
Yeah, well, and that's something that he also brought up
in another video where he was like, basically, you know,
there's the idea that God made us in his image,
but it almost seems like we made God in our image,
you know. So it's like, all right here we are
expecting he him, a guy, a person, a human that

(02:07:12):
is judging from afar and that's that's not what it is.

Speaker 3 (02:07:15):
Either, right right, right? So yeah, dude, I love this episode.
This is a lot of fun.

Speaker 4 (02:07:22):
But look stick around, there's more for We're going to
be getting into the meditation here, and we got quite
a little doozy here pulled up. We are actually going
to meditate with God and awaken your Christ's consciousness.

Speaker 5 (02:07:36):
Hotly shit, oh right, sign me up.

Speaker 4 (02:07:39):
So that's where you want to go, then uh, hang
tight and we will get to that. Just listen to
a couple seconds of the outro and we're gonna start
with that. But if you ain't got time for that,
you got things going on, we totally understand. Then this
is where we leave you. And what we like to
say is that if built Donna Hugh came here and

(02:07:59):
he taught you anything, it's.

Speaker 3 (02:08:01):
That you don't know what you don't know. So don't
just get weird.

Speaker 1 (02:08:06):
Stay weird in or realm where shadows dance with light
through the whispering world said nine.

Speaker 2 (02:08:17):
See crits echo through the air metom mister.

Speaker 4 (02:08:22):
Severy all right for the one who decided to stick
around for this meditation right here, we actually decided to
switch it up because we found a better meditation here.
And this is actually by the YouTube channel called Assure Meditations.
They in the name of the video is called Christ frequency.
Raise your vibration. It is five hundred and twenty eight hertz.

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And you know, everybody, there's not necessarily one vibration that
is associated with Christ. I mean, you got the the
God vibration of the God frequency, which I think is
like nine to sixty three. But all in all, they
all perform well whenever it comes to meditation five twenty eight.
I could be wrong here, but I want to say, oh,

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that actually might make sense because Christ is usually associated
with the heart and the heart chakra. I believe whenever
you're talking about frequencies of the solfeggio, frequencies five twenty
eight would be the heart chakra or where that frequency
would be at. So you know, close your eyes and
relax a little bit.

Speaker 3 (02:09:27):
Remember, take no thought.

Speaker 4 (02:09:30):
As Jesus said, don't think about anything. Just let whatever
get yourself into the meditative state and.

Speaker 3 (02:09:36):
Open up those doors.

Speaker 4 (02:09:38):
That's what this is all about, allowing that those Acosta records,
those doubt divine downloads to come right into your mind.
So we're going to start it here in three two one, let.

Speaker 11 (02:09:51):
Go if you t T T t.

Speaker 7 (02:21:22):
Oh, boy, that was deep.

Speaker 3 (02:24:39):
What happened so profound?

Speaker 7 (02:24:42):
What just happened to me?

Speaker 5 (02:24:43):
Dude?

Speaker 7 (02:24:43):
That was crazy.

Speaker 5 (02:24:46):
I'm glad you experienced something because I didn't. Really I
didn't really get a whole lot. I'm pretty relaxed, you know,
But I'm interested to see what you got.

Speaker 3 (02:24:53):
Bro, I got lost in there. I don't want to
say I got lost. I would say that maybe I
found myself a little bit very profound.

Speaker 4 (02:25:02):
There was obviously like a couple of thoughts that I
was trying to just get rid of. And I've been
dealing with this, uh, this little bit of anxiety and
stress and worry over the past few days, and which
is why I thought that that that Tarot card was
pretty spot on for that, and which is crazy, because

(02:25:22):
you know, how is it that the Tarot card is speaking?
I felt that it was speaking to me. I'm sure
it applies to many other people and probably everybody else, right,
in some way. But to me, I just thought that
was the perfect card that I could have gotten.

Speaker 3 (02:25:38):
And so so.

Speaker 4 (02:25:39):
Anyway, I'm I'm I'm going to that meditation, and I'm like,
all right, take no thought, take no thought. I'm gonna
relieve myself from every single thought. And dude, I tell
you what, you know, there's we do a lot of
guided meditations, or we do a meditation with a purpose,
and you know, and he was just saying like, don't
even worry about imagining a flame or pillars. Just go

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in there and take no thought, think nothing, and that
is where you'll find you know, God or or the
Christ or something like that.

Speaker 5 (02:26:08):
Right.

Speaker 3 (02:26:09):
And I'm not gonna lie to you, dude.

Speaker 4 (02:26:11):
Ever since I did that DMT trip where I felt
kind of lonely, I've been like it's caused me a
little I mean, there's been a lot of great things
that came from that, but one of the things that
has kind of like been haunting me a little bit,
which is kind of what we talked about with your
boy Optimistic Banks, was the idea that like that like,

(02:26:32):
all right, well, if you are you know, God, then
that's kind of lonely, right, dude. I actually disagree with
that sentiment now, because what you know, Bill Donna Hue
was saying is that if you go in there and
you take no thought, then that's where you'll kind of
meet God or you'll meet the Christ, right, and like

(02:26:53):
it's a separate thing from you. Now, I mean it's
not that it's separate meaning that like there's that you're
or not with it or anything. But I think I'm
fully comprehending the concept of that power being within you,
which is the idea.

Speaker 9 (02:27:09):
Why.

Speaker 4 (02:27:09):
You know, I always said that, like, oh, I never
felt lonely or anything like that. Whenever I was growing up,
I never felt like I was without, you know, even
whenever I was alone, I just thought, oh, this is
my favorite time is whenever I'm alone. Right, And so
whenever I went in and I was like, all right,
I'm gonna relieve myself of every single thought and just
take his advice, right, and dude, whenever I got there,

(02:27:30):
I was just like, all right, you know what I
feel like, I'm I'm deep right now, I'm deep in meditation.
This is probably at about I don't know, the eight
or nine minute mark something like that, And I didn't look,
I'm just guessing. But I was like, all right, you
know what what I'm gonna do is is I'm going
to talk as if I was those people back in

(02:27:51):
the day, like imagine your you know, whenever whenever Jesus
was saying, like I go up and I am one
with God and then God is one within you, right, dude,
This is where it gets wild. So I'm like, all right,
I'm going to literally have a conversation with God, knowing
full well that he is inside of me, that he's

(02:28:12):
not separate from me. But I'm I'm like almost like
like you got your phone, right, and you can have
chatchy BT on you in your pocket at all times, right,
and you can ask it pretty much anything. Guy, it
has the answer to everything, right. And and it's the
way I was looking at that is like, all right,
I'm going to talk to God that is within that

(02:28:36):
is within me, almost like heeding some kind of counsel
from a divine source of knowledge.

Speaker 5 (02:28:46):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (02:28:46):
And I was like, you know what, I'm just gonna
see what happens. And I was like, Okay, God, me
higher Self, whatever you want to call it, but separate
but the same at the same time. Really strange. The
way that I felt with that. But I was like,
you know what, I've been really dealing with a lot
of this anxiety and stress and worry and it just
makes me tense up, and it, you know, paralyzes my

(02:29:09):
thoughts and it makes me fearful a little bit. And
I don't really like that. I said, you know, can
you just can you help me alleviate that a little bit?
Help me get rid of my stress and my anxiety.
Now here's a weird thing. So typically throughout the duration
of a show, I like to keep my ceiling fan on, right,
but it's always still hot in my room no matter what.

(02:29:30):
I can have the ac on sixty six, sixty seven,
sixty eight something like that, and it's still hot, you know.
But I think it's just because the door's closed and
you're you're dealing with the same air whatever. And so
I don't ever really typically feel the air at all,
even throughout the majority. Up until that eight or nine
minute mark before I asked, I still wasn't feeling the
wind from the fan.

Speaker 3 (02:29:51):
The fan's not super high.

Speaker 4 (02:29:52):
Powered at all, right, it's just basically to keep the
air circulating. And so I'm in there and I said,
can you help me alleviate a little bit of that,
and then I felt like this whosh of wind, and
automatically my anxiety was gone, Like immediately my anxiety was gone.
I didn't fear, I didn't stress, I didn't have an

(02:30:13):
anxious thought. It was completely wiped out, dude. And I
was like, all right, okay, I see, you know, could
be a coincidence. Maybe there's something to it.

Speaker 3 (02:30:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (02:30:25):
I'm just gonna go with it. But at that time,
I wasn't really thinking coincidence. I was like, oh, that's
you know, we don't think in terms of coincidence, you know,
we think in terms of like, all right, well, here
we are communicating with this divine intelligence, call it God,
call it the source, whatever you wanted to say. I
just used God, just because we kind of had that
conversation on the show. And then I started going a

(02:30:45):
little bit deeper and I was like, all right, well,
you know, I'm asking it even more personal questions, and
it was basically just like, remember this feeling, remember that
you're You're like I'm not away from you, like I'm
right here. And it made me feel really good, dude,
because whenever I did that DMT trip. I felt very lonely,
like it was the loneliest place in the world, which

(02:31:09):
that's exactly what you know, stress and anxiety and depression
feels like right, like that's exactly what you feel like
you feel like you're the only person there. But with
this I was able to find that, like, dude, like
you're literally never separate from the source, from God, from whatever,
the universe, Like you're never separate from it, and it's

(02:31:31):
not all up to you, like and all my God is.
That's so alleviating, like thinking, because here I am in
this mind fuck you know, it's it's very easy to
get caught up in the idea of like, oh, well,
I am God and your God and this is kind
of just all my hallucination and like I'm creating this
world and and like you know, and maybe that's what

(02:31:52):
it is. But there's another power that you can also
go to that will.

Speaker 3 (02:31:57):
Help you guide you through that.

Speaker 4 (02:32:00):
And you know, if you want to call that your
spirit GUIDs, you want to call that your ancestors, you
want to call that God whatever. That was the first
time that I had actually felt that presence. And you
know what's crazy, dude, so familiar so familiar.

Speaker 3 (02:32:17):
Like it was.

Speaker 4 (02:32:18):
It was like, of course that's there, Like you know
what I'm saying, Like, of course that energy, that power
whatever is there. And I was like, you know what,
I was like, you know what, thank you for showing
me that. And I mean, it couldn't have come on
a better show, and it couldn't have come in a
better time in my life.

Speaker 5 (02:32:35):
I don't think, Yeah, I'm glad you had that experience.
You know, for whatever reason, you know, maybe it's because
it's of the carnal mind, you know that the left brain, logical,
physical needs, the worries, all this shit that keeps you
from knowing that. You know, you said, it's familiar. Obviously
you've been there before. You know what that feeling is.
And so but for whatever reason, it's just so fleeting,

(02:32:57):
you know. And so yeah, dude, how you got to
feel that? Man? I feel like that's a very powerful thing,
you know, because whenever you need that, you can you
can revisit that and go back to that place and
just know that like it's gonna be good.

Speaker 4 (02:33:11):
Oh man, it's just such a relief, you know what
I'm saying. And you know what, it really reminded me
of not to get like lame here, but what it
really reminded me of was whenever I was going through
a lot of personal stuff and I came out to
Arizona and I kind of just spilled my heart out
to you, telling you everything that's going on, and I
was just so thankful that you were there to listen

(02:33:35):
and not judge and just understand. Like that level of
compassion is what I just felt within me at that moment,
similar to what you know, I had received from you
about a year ago whenever that was right.

Speaker 5 (02:33:48):
Right, and you went in there just to be with you, you know,
and you got that same feeling, And that's something that's
accessible to you all the time.

Speaker 9 (02:33:57):
You know.

Speaker 4 (02:33:58):
Oh man, it's magical, it's crazy. And look, I mean
you can call it the force, you know, call it
whatever you want. Like I don't even necessarily think that
it has to have a name, but I will say this,
I think that whatever you deem the most powerful word
is like whatever, the highest power, if you think the

(02:34:18):
universe whatever that is, like maybe you were brought up
Christian or maybe you were brought up whatever, like whatever,
the highest aspect of that is. If you communicate by
communicate with it by calling it that it works.

Speaker 3 (02:34:35):
And this is.

Speaker 4 (02:34:36):
Why every religion works, bro. Like it's so crazy because
it doesn't. It doesn't care what you call it.

Speaker 3 (02:34:43):
It doesn't care.

Speaker 4 (02:34:44):
It just needs you to know that it is something
so incredibly powerful and resourceful and helping and loving and
caring and just there for you. That thing that I
just communicated with wasn't worried about no or commandments or
you know, like you're going to hell. No, that's not

(02:35:05):
that at all, dude, And I'm so happy that I
was finally able to like, and I'm sure I've I've
had other you know, instances with that, but that was
the most in my face dude. I was just like
Moses up on the mountain with them right there, bro.
Like that was something that was some like deep level
shit for me.

Speaker 7 (02:35:22):
Anyway.

Speaker 5 (02:35:24):
That's great, man. I imagine you would want to use
the fucking the thing you understand the most, dude, because
it's going to serve you the best. I believe. You know,
You're not going to go to some some entity that
you're not familiar with and then hope that that works.
You know, it's like yeah, yeah, to call your higher
self or whatever it is that you're you know, Christ consciousness.
Whatever you want to use, dude, that's cool. Man, Dude,

(02:35:46):
you got a good meditation.

Speaker 4 (02:35:47):
Man, dude, you call it Jehovah, you call it Yahweh,
you call it God, you call it Jesus, you call
it whatever.

Speaker 3 (02:35:54):
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 4 (02:35:54):
Whatever you deem the highest word. And actually, funny enough,
I I of just felt like the name was God. Yeah,
you know what I mean, Like that's what I think of,
you know, whenever, because I don't put God in a box.

Speaker 3 (02:36:08):
I try not to anyway.

Speaker 5 (02:36:09):
It's an all encompassing term.

Speaker 4 (02:36:10):
I believe, yes, yes, and the way that I kind
of view God in our level of understanding, dude, it's
super like it's the like there's there can be nothing
more powerful than that.

Speaker 5 (02:36:21):
Yeah. Yeah, it's like the assistance of everything that is,
you know.

Speaker 3 (02:36:25):
It's like, yeah, dude, awesome stuff.

Speaker 4 (02:36:28):
So so what it was just a regular meditation for you.

Speaker 3 (02:36:31):
I sucked up all the good energy.

Speaker 5 (02:36:33):
I guess, man, that's fine. I'm good with it. I
feel like you needed to experience that, so I'm good
with that, you know. But yeah, I know I was
just a chilling man. You know. It felt like my
eye my eyes were really dry, so I just couldn't
get over the feeling of my eyelids, like scraping my eyeballs.
But other than that, dude, I was pretty relaxed and chill,
and I didn't really have anything super profound or anything

(02:36:56):
like that. Not that I was against having that experience.
It just just didn't happen this time. It's just fine,
you know, practice, you know for sure.

Speaker 4 (02:37:04):
Yeah, I mean, and it's not always going to be
something majestic every time.

Speaker 7 (02:37:07):
You know.

Speaker 3 (02:37:08):
There's been times where we meditate and it's just like, eh,
good meditation. It was a good calming thing.

Speaker 5 (02:37:13):
Yeah, And I feel like you get what you need,
you know. And just before recording the show, I had
something really cool happen and I felt pretty Uh, I
don't know, I was feeling really good before the episode,
So you know, maybe I just didn't need something right
this moment. You know, I'm looking at it. You already
felt whole, Yeah, felt complete, man, felt pretty good.

Speaker 3 (02:37:33):
That's good. That's good, all right.

Speaker 4 (02:37:34):
Well, the one we appreciate you coming to hang out
with us and doing this meditation with us and listening
to our profound experiences that we happened to experience. While
in meditation it's not always crazy, but sometimes it is,
and that's what we're here for. Yeah man, So all right, well,
we love you guys, and we'll see.

Speaker 3 (02:37:56):
Y'all on the flip side.

Speaker 7 (02:37:59):
Through Wi Spurring words at nine.

Speaker 2 (02:38:03):
See crits echo through the air, meta mysteries everywhere, Voices
drift on winds untained, where it's like spells that can't

(02:38:26):
be made.

Speaker 1 (02:38:28):
Close your eyes and feel the sound journey where no
bounds are found, open.

Speaker 12 (02:38:37):
Doors inside your mind, leave the ordinary farm.

Speaker 2 (02:38:43):
Behind, color swall stars line in the mentum mysteries, you'll find.

Speaker 1 (02:39:00):
Tales of ancient power rise from the depths of crystal skies, where.

Speaker 2 (02:39:09):
The answer comes to play. Lost in dreams, you lose
the day, chanting.

Speaker 12 (02:39:16):
Truth from ages old, in the unknown, we are bold.
Let the podcast guide your side through the veil of silence.

(02:39:47):
Waves of cosmic whispers flow through the realms.

Speaker 2 (02:39:53):
You'll never for no

Speaker 12 (02:39:56):
Parallel in every bead where the mystic stories made

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